[00:00] <ardchoille> genii: Those are plugins, I meant extensions.
[00:00] <genii> ardchoille: As such, no
[00:01] <ardchoille> :(
[00:02] <ardchoille> Oh well, guess I don't need them anyway.
[00:02] <ardchoille> genii: But, thanks for the plugin search tip :)
[00:02] <Minataku> Any Unix user should know grep :P
[00:02] <Dr_Willis> heh.. by the time i get ssh'd to the other box and irc'd here.. the machine is done fscking.. and time to reboot..
[00:03] <Minataku> Heh
[00:03] <Dr_Willis> brb
[00:03] <Minataku> I'm installing DR-DOS 7.03 on Minataku (Toshiba Satellite 100CS)
[00:04] <Minataku> I told it no memory manager, I plan to install a separate one
[00:04] <Minataku> QEMM :3
[00:08] <ahmad> i can't play audio on my kubuntu
[00:08] <ahmad> anyone has a solution ?!
[00:08] <tashiro> Uadio or mp3?
[00:09] <ahmad> mp3
[00:09] <ahmad> it tells me that amarok cannot play mp3 as package is not installed
[00:09] <ahmad> and after i installed and restarted amarok it didn't play it again
[00:10] <tashiro> Forgot how to do that
[00:10] <mith__> i didn't have any problem with mp3 support
[00:10] <tashiro> Google "Mp3 codecs for kubuntu" thats wat i did
[00:11]  * Dr_willis jamms to Kenny G.
[00:11] <mith__> amarok has offered install the support, end it installed it automatically
[00:11] <ahmad> i have a question
[00:11] <Dr_willis> I belive the 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' package installs mp3 and other things as well. :)
[00:11] <ahmad> what kubuntu did you install
[00:11] <mith__> did u really quit from amarok or just put it down to the panel?
[00:11] <ahmad> or which one you already downloaded ?!
[00:12] <ahmad> no .. i quit it
[00:12] <mith__> 7.10
[00:12] <ahmad> what size is it
[00:12] <ahmad> ?!
[00:12] <mith__> less than 700 mb
[00:13] <ahmad> i think it is the same i have here
[00:13] <ahmad> how do you enter your root then ?! it didn't ask me about the root password in log in !!
[00:14]  * Dr_willis is totally confused by this conversation.
[00:15] <mith__> why do you need the root?
[00:15] <mith__> (sorry my english isn't the best :d )
[00:15] <ahmad> to install programs and mount HDD drives
[00:15] <Tm_T> !sudo | ahmad
[00:15] <ubotu> ahmad: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[00:16] <tashiro> AHAMAD
[00:16] <ahmad> what ?
[00:16] <mith__> i don't need it... hey man if i start the "add/remove programs" it's automatically asks my password
[00:16] <tashiro> try pasting this into ur terminal
[00:16] <tashiro> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[00:16] <tashiro> It worked for me
[00:18] <Jangari> anyone use kicker-kblogger?
[00:18] <Tm_T> Jangari: what is that?
[00:18] <ahmad> E: Couldn't find package libxine-extracodecs
[00:18] <Jangari> it's apparently a rather good blog editor
[00:18] <Tm_T> I see, never heard
[00:18] <Jangari> except i can't seem to find it
[00:18] <Jangari> i mean, i've installed it, but can't find it anywhere in the system
[00:19] <Dr_willis> Jangari,  it may be the menus need to be refreshed.,
[00:19] <mith__> hmm if I install anything in the "add/remove programs" section, it downloads and extracts the packages perfectly, but before installation ends, it writes: "problems with installation, the packages have errors" or something like this..... but the programs what i installed, are working perfectly, after this eror message too..... has anybody knows whats this?
[00:19] <Dr_willis> Or ya could launch it from a terminal.
[00:19] <Jangari> mm
[00:19] <Jangari> what's the command?
[00:19] <Dr_willis> or log out/backin and seeif it shows up..
[00:19] <Dr_willis> Jangari,  no idea try 'kicker-kblogger'  :) or look in apt:/ in konqueror and search the package to see what files it installed
[00:20] <Jangari> is konqueror kubuntu's package manager?
[00:20] <mith__> not
[00:21] <ahmad> i don't even know how to install xmms
[00:21] <ahmad> i am trying now to install it
[00:22] <Tm_T> ahmad: tried amarok?
[00:22] <ahmad> Tm_T : i already tried it and it failesd
[00:22] <ahmad> failed
[00:23] <Tm_T> ahmad: failed in what?
[00:24] <ahmad> Tm_T : it says it cannot play mp3 and asked me to install mp3 support
[00:24] <tashiro> Ahmad try installing vlc it comes with its own mp3 codecs that work for amarok
[00:24] <Tm_T> tashiro: untrue
[00:24] <ahmad> and after installation i restarted it and it fails again
[00:24] <Tm_T> !codecs > ahmad
[00:25] <tashiro> It works fine for me
[00:25] <Tm_T> did you look that?
[00:25] <Tm_T> tashiro: doesn't matter
[00:25] <navid> I just installed
[00:25] <ahmad> seems that this kubuntu version is defective
 Loosen up dude i was just tryin to help
[00:26] <ignoramus> I cannot install Synce (to connect Smartphone to Kubuntu) - I get the following error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45519/  Any ideas?
[00:26] <Tm_T> tashiro: I know
[00:26] <Tm_T> tashiro: and I appreciate it
[00:26] <lgkan> I have some screenshots showing the trouble I'm having, every second line such as this window and others like username list, is blacked out
[00:26] <lgkan> how do I correct that
[00:27] <Tm_T> lgkan: check your coloursettings
[00:27] <Dr_willis> lgkan,  there are some kde color themes that do that.
[00:27] <ahmad> it seems a big mistake to leave suse and install kubuntu
[00:27] <navid> I just installed Kubuntu Gusty on a box with a Radeon HD 2400 XT. Now I tried to change the resolution to 1024*768 but now it gives me a 16 color screen. I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and installed fglrx but it doesn't work. Any idea?
[00:27] <Tm_T> ahmad: hold on
[00:27] <lgkan> doesnt seem to matter on the theme, happens on all themes, so colors??
[00:27] <Dr_willis> ahmad,  then dont leave.  I would suggest getting away from xmms however.. its code base is quite dated and i dont beliuve theres much  work on it any more
[00:28] <Tm_T> lgkan: colors, see "alternate background in lists"
[00:28] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: ehm
[00:28] <Dr_willis> I like the beep-media-player these days.
[00:28] <Dr_willis> !info bmpx
[00:28] <ubotu> bmpx: Beep Media Player eXperimental. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.40.0~rc3-1build1 (gutsy), package size 2999 kB, installed size 9264 kB
[00:28] <tashiro> Any advice on how to run Warcraft 3?
[00:28] <Dr_willis> whatever happened to xmms2 ?
[00:28] <lgkan> checkin
[00:28] <ahmad> Dr_wills:so what is your suggestion
[00:28] <Dr_willis> !info xmms2
[00:28] <ubotu> xmms2: Client/server based media player system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2DrJekyll-4ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 10 kB, installed size 56 kB
[00:28] <tashiro> I used wine but it slows up the game
[00:29] <Dr_willis> I wonder if xmms2 is useable now. I havent tried it lately.
[00:29] <claydoh> ignoramus: the package you are trying to install conflicts with the package dcc-milter that you have installed
[00:29] <Dr_willis> tashiro,  wine or cedega. thats about you ronly options.
[00:29] <navid> I just installed Kubuntu Gusty on a box with a Radeon HD 2400 XT. Now I tried to change the resolution to 1024*768 but now it gives me a 16 color screen. I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and installed fglrx but it doesn't work. Any idea?
[00:29] <tashiro> Thanks doc i'll go try it
[00:29] <ignoramus> claydoh: is dcc-milter necessary, or can I remove it?
[00:30] <claydoh> I dunno, it isn't installed by default in kubuntu so I think so
[00:30] <claydoh> !info dcc-milter
[00:30] <ubotu> dcc-milter: Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse - sendmail milter plugin. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.42-4build1 (gutsy), package size 240 kB, installed size 576 kB
[00:30] <ignoramus> claydoh: thanks - i was thinking that, but it's good to check with the experts first ;)
[00:30] <Tm_T> ahmad: install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:30] <dennister> hey folks...i'm still very unhappy with how slow and unresponsive my pc (I think its xorg that's not redrawing as quickly as usual) is, and while purging all the compiz stuff yesterday did improve things a bit, the problems still exist
[00:32] <dennister> here r the system-wide issues: apps are very slow to load and close; i constantly get the message that an app is not responding (terminate or keep running); even my K menu is slow or won't respond; it took over 20 minutes to do a simple apt-get update
[00:32] <Tm_T> dennister: run "top" in konsole
[00:32] <ahmad> i am curious about some point
[00:32] <Tm_T> ahmad: yes?
[00:32] <dennister> these are recent issues (last 48 hours) in a normally-zippy machine
[00:32] <ahmad> what is the difference between alternate and desktop ?!
[00:32] <ahmad> :-shy face
[00:33] <Dr_willis> desktop includes a live cd/desktop on the cd.. alternative is just an installer
[00:33] <ahmad> oh mann
[00:33] <Tm_T> installer and packages, no live
[00:33] <dennister> Tm_T: i did that last night, as well as just now, and it shows very little system and cpu usage
[00:33] <Tm_T> dennister: load?
[00:33] <dennister> i should say memory % and cpu usage
[00:33] <ahmad> then the alternate copy has more packages than the desktop one ?!
[00:34] <Tm_T> ahmad: no, contents in different format
[00:34] <Tm_T> but same stuff
[00:34] <Dr_willis> ahmad,  it may have a few more packages never counted... but proberly not many. nothing you couldent install anyway
[00:34] <Tm_T> ahmad: did kubuntu-restricted-extras install well there?
[00:34] <ahmad> i don't know how to make this task
[00:35] <ahmad> Tm_T : i don't know how to make this task
[00:35] <dennister> load average: 0.02, 1.89, 3.48
[00:35] <Tm_T> dennister: interesting, still sluggish?
[00:35] <dennister> Tm_T: so sluggish it's almost unusable
[00:35] <Tm_T> dennister: weird
[00:36] <Tm_T> dennister: something in cd/dvd drive?
[00:36] <Tm_T> ahmad: run "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras" in konsole
[00:36] <dennister> Tm_T: nothing, and yes it's wierd...which is why i come to the experts :P
[00:36] <Dr_willis> ive seen hard drive/cd be 'bad' and the system keeps scanning the disk/drive  and really lag things out
[00:36] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: I have that in times
[00:36] <Tm_T> evil
[00:37] <Dr_willis> Hmm. dang it - firefox keeps dieing on me. :) teach ME to go to Youtube.
[00:37] <dennister> well the hard drive is only 1 yr old, the optical drive 18mths...i know that doesn't rule them out, but...
[00:37] <Tm_T> ahmad: luck?
[00:38] <ahmad> Tm_T : E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:38] <ahmad> i am about to cryy
[00:38] <Tm_T> ahmad: no need to worry :)
[00:38] <Dr_willis> ahmad,  you are using the latest Gutsy release of kubuntu?
[00:38] <Dr_willis> !find restricted-extras
[00:38] <ubotu> Found: kubuntu-restricted-extras, ubuntu-restricted-extras, xubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:38] <ahmad> 7.10
[00:39] <ahmad> is that the last one ?!
[00:39] <Tm_T> tes
[00:39] <Tm_T> yes
[00:39] <dennister> i've also got gentoo on this same hard drive and it's not sluggish...seems to be only and suddenly affecting kubuntu
[00:39] <Tm_T> ahmad: "sudo apt-get update" gives what?
[00:39] <Dr_willis> i would do a 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade' then try 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras'
[00:39] <Tm_T> ahmad: use pastebin :)
[00:39] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: hmm, you like? :)
[00:40] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: if you have time, help ahmad, I'm bit in the middle of something here
[00:40] <vit___> puta
[00:40] <lele> ji all
[00:40] <Tm_T> vit___: excuse me?
[00:40] <Dr_willis> ahmad,  be sure your spelling is correct also. :)
[00:41] <ahmad> Tm_T or Dr_wills :
[00:41] <ahmad> Ign cdrom://Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1) gutsy/main Translation-en_US
[00:41] <ahmad> Ign cdrom://Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1) gutsy/restricted Translation-en_US
[00:41] <ahmad> Reading package lists... Done
[00:41] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: thanks :)
[00:41] <ahmad> you mean about my spelling here dr_wills ?!
[00:41] <dennister> something else that's wierd about this kubuntu installation? all of a sudden only *some* of my fat 16 partitions on other drive weren't writable anymore from kubuntu, but ok with gentoo
[00:41] <Dr_willis> all spelling. :) for the package names at least.
[00:41] <ahmad> or in the konsole ?! :D
[00:41] <lgkan> thanks the alternate txt color fixed that problem
[00:41] <ahmad> ok
[00:42] <ahmad> it gives reading packages lists ... Done
[00:42] <ahmad> what next ?!
[00:42] <Dr_willis> i would do a 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade' then try 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras'
[00:42] <Dr_willis> update, upgrade, try again
[00:42] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: ahmad: you don't have repositories enabled
[00:42] <dennister> so no one has any other suggestions about my sluggish system? i'd really like to know before i wipe the whole thing clean, cause my son is having the same problem with his new feisty installation
[00:43] <Dr_willis> Tm_T,  thats possible also. :)
[00:43] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: that's the case
[00:43] <lgkan> anyone have any recommendations for wirless tools for a laptop
[00:43] <Dr_willis> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:43] <ubotu> kubuntu-restricted-extras: Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10 (gutsy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[00:44] <ahmad> Dr_wills : 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:44] <ahmad> Dr_Wills : E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:44] <ahmad> Tm_T : please discuss alittle more
[00:44] <Dr_willis> well if You are using Gutsy., its possible you dont have the 'multiverse' repository enabled.
[00:45] <Dr_willis> !multiverse
[00:45] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[00:45] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: he doesn't have any repositories enabled
[00:45] <Dr_willis> I forget the proper way to enable them. :) i do it old skool and manually edit the configs
[00:46] <Dr_willis> lets see fire up adept_manager with    kdesu adept_manager
[00:46] <ahmad> i already started that approach 5 mins ago
[00:46] <Dr_willis> i always hate adept :) cant een get it to do the reositories
[00:46] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[00:46] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[00:47] <Dr_willis> Check your /etc/apt/sources.list you should have some lines like the following 3
[00:47] <Dr_willis> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy universe multiverse
[00:47] <Dr_willis> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-updates universe multiverse
[00:47] <Dr_willis> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security universe multiverse
[00:48] <Tm_T> ...
[00:48] <Dr_willis> you may or may not have 'us' but the 'multiverse' at the end is impiorntant.
[00:49] <Tm_T> ahmad: actually, paste your whole /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[00:49] <Dr_willis> Tm_T,  good idea. :)
[00:49] <ahmad> the kubuntu updates is inactive in the software sources windows in the Adept Manager
[00:50] <Tm_T> ahmad: activate all sources
[00:50] <oem__> hi to all
[00:50] <Tm_T> moin
[00:50] <JJtech> hello
[00:51] <JJtech> im a new kubuntu user
[00:51] <JJtech> pleeeaase som1 help
[00:51] <DM|> so in GNOME there is a way to set up so people can control your desktop , where is that setting in KDE?
[00:51] <DM|> JJtech just ask the question, dont ask if anyone can help
[00:51] <JJtech> ahhh.. ok
[00:51] <JJtech> thnz
[00:52] <dennister> jjtech, like this: how do i test my hard drive and dvd for bad sectors/hardware probs?
[00:52] <JJtech> i just finish installing kubuntu.. how do i use optimal performance for my geForce 8400 nvidia??
[00:52] <dennister> that's for everyone helping, too , lol
[00:52] <nosrednaekim> DM|: you mean like VNC?
[00:53] <Dr_willis> JJtech,  you did install the nvidia drivers for your video card? that would be step 1.
[00:53] <JJtech> yes
[00:53] <JJtech> finish updating actually
[00:53] <DM|> nosrednaekim yes
[00:53] <vit___> bye
[00:53] <nosrednaekim> DM|: I think there is kvnc..
[00:53] <DM|> nosrednaekim ive set up VNC all the ports blahh blahh and it still refuses connection
[00:53] <Dr_willis> I thought the restricted-manager thing asks by default. :) other then that - i cant think  of anything else to do from the start.
[00:54] <dennister> JJtech: updating itself won't necessarily install the restricted graphics drivers
[00:54] <nosrednaekim> !vnc
[00:54] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[00:54] <dennister> !nvidia
[00:54] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:54] <JJtech> kk.. i'll try
[00:55] <kreib> !KDE4
[00:55] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. RC 1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[00:55] <DM|> nosrednaekim no im trying to set up KDE to allow me to VNC into the box
[00:56] <lovre> hi alll
[00:56] <lovre> what should i use to emulate windows games?
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> DM|: oh, go to #kde and they'll probably be able to help you more.
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> lovre: wine?
[00:56] <akira> lovre wine
[00:56] <lovre> Wine is no good for games. No sound in most games, and the screen flickers :(
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> play native linux games then
[00:57] <lovre> waiting for UT3 for linux :D
[00:57] <lovre> there arent many native linux games out there
[00:57] <lovre> at least not good ones
[00:57] <akira> im currently working on microslugs freelancer for linux
[00:58] <Dr_willis> I normally ssh into a box, then start a stand alone vnc session.
[00:58] <JJtech> guys, what is more in eye-candy? kubuntu or ubuntu?
[00:58] <Tm_T> Kubuntu
[00:59] <nosrednaekim> JJtech: kubuntu for sure
[00:59] <Dr_willis> eye candy - causes ocular cavaties
[00:59] <Dr_willis> :)
[00:59] <lovre> :p
[00:59] <akira> lol
[00:59] <JJtech> (:
[00:59] <Dr_willis> i think i spelt ocular right. :)
[00:59] <JJtech> lol
[00:59] <akira> :)
[00:59] <JJtech> Dr_will u from where?
[00:59] <julio3patas> how can i imrpove dvd playback it plays and is like it hesitates sometimes i am using xine and have a 8800 gts plenty of memory and quad cpu, how can dvd playback be improve, thanks
[01:00] <r0y4l> is there a kde4 package that includes the new version of kate?
[01:00] <nosrednaekim> julio3patas: that is a problem with dma
[01:00] <nosrednaekim> r0y4l: I believe its part of kde4-sdk
[01:00] <julio3patas> nosrednaekim: it is a sata dvd drive
[01:00] <Tm_T> r0y4l: topic
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> julio3patas: does it always stutter... or is it only occasionally?
[01:01] <JJtech> how to dual boot???
[01:01] <JJtech> i want to use my VISTA ultimate
[01:01] <akira> which os.s
[01:01] <julio3patas> every other couple of seconds
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> JJtech: you should probably have loaded that first
[01:02] <JJtech> ouch
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> julio3patas: sure its not your DVD drive?
[01:02] <DM|> UGH kde sucks for mounting stuff GUI
[01:02] <r0y4l> nosrednaekim: thx that was correct! :)
[01:02] <akira> yep and only use half your hard drive
[01:02] <julio3patas> i tried on a sata drive and a ide drive same thing, the drive is fine
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> DM|: eh?
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> !DMA
[01:03] <ubotu> dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. It makes hard disks & optical drives transfer data faster, and is almost always enabled in Ubuntu 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DMA
[01:03] <DM|> nosrednaekim trying to mount an ext3 and it keeps giving me errors , yet in GNOME it works just fine
[01:03] <julio3patas> sata drives don't use dma
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> julio3patas: yeah... I know, just wanted to see that factoid for something
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> DM|: use "disks and filesystems" in systemsettings
[01:04] <JJtech> 1st i load windows XP SP2, then dual boot with VIsta Ultimate, then Ubuntu on my secondary SATA... but when i tried loading UBUNTU, it beeps wild.. then a very loooong beep
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> julio3patas: did you try another media player?
[01:05] <Dr_willis> or the media:/ address
[01:06] <akira> jjtech did you make the proper swap partition
[01:07] <JJtech> i used guided
[01:08] <JJtech> i have 2 SATA and EDIE drive..
[01:08] <JJtech> 1 hard disk for every OS...
[01:09] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Only beeping i can think of would be the bios beeping.. It boots up ubuntu then starts beeping?
[01:09] <akira> jjtech was there any othe os.s runing at the time or was it on boot
[01:11] <JJtech> i think when ubuntu loads up it starts beeping..
[01:11] <JJtech> it beeps wildy, then a very loong beep
[01:11] <Dr_willis> You think? Hmm...  you see the grub menu? it beeps befr/after that?
[01:12] <JJtech> blank screen
[01:12] <akira> no grub?
[01:12] <twylight> beep
[01:12] <JJtech> nothing
[01:12] <JJtech> blank screen then beep
[01:12] <JJtech> my red LED blinking
[01:12] <Dr_willis> caps lock led?
[01:13] <JJtech> no.. on my CPU
[01:13] <Minataku> CPUs have no LEDs
[01:13] <JJtech> i mean
[01:13] <Minataku> You probably mean the case
[01:13] <JJtech> in my casing
[01:13] <JJtech> yes
[01:13] <ardchoille> Sounds like maybe the hard drive light (hd being accessed)
[01:13] <Minataku> Sorry, but that's an error that really annoys me
[01:13] <JJtech> yeah
[01:14] <Dr_willis> my wife calls it the 'guts' :)
[01:14] <Minataku> lol
[01:14] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: lol
[01:14] <JJtech> lol
[01:14] <akira> :)
[01:14] <N0oBi3> !compiz
[01:14] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:14] <Dr_willis> and she has a new 'lapdesk' :)
[01:14] <JJtech> but anyways, i figured it out just recently
[01:14] <Minataku> >.<
[01:14] <Minataku> lol
[01:14] <ardchoille> lol
[01:14] <JJtech> im just wondering why it beeps annoyingly
[01:14] <JJtech> it's like it will explode or something
[01:15] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: Your wife's dictionary have lots of white out?
[01:15] <Dr_willis> it beepes befor you get to any OS then?
[01:15] <JJtech> yeah
[01:15] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  you dont whant to know the fight we had over a 'mango vs. a greenpepper'
[01:15] <akira> dr.willis lmao
[01:15] <Dr_willis> I would say.. open up the case. dust it out.. double check all fans,  power up and look.
[01:16] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: There was a recent bug that disallowed tty1-6 showing text, they're active, they just don't show anything. And if he is experiencing a grub error, he won't see the output
[01:16] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  havent seen that one.
[01:16] <JJtech> no.. there is no problem with the internals..
[01:16] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: tons of folks confirmed it in launchpad
[01:16] <Dr_willis> JJtech,  you dont want to know the times ive heard that. :)
[01:16] <akira> jjtech then you have something tweaked wrong
[01:16] <Dr_willis> JJtech,  it wont boot any os?, could try unpluging  all the hd's except one.
[01:17] <JJtech> then why when i load my VISTA it wont do like ubuntu does
[01:17] <Dr_willis> live cd would be a good test also
[01:17] <ardchoille> JJtech: Did you install nvidia or ati drivers via the restricted drivers manager?
[01:17] <JJtech> ardchoille> not yet..
[01:17] <ardchoille> ok
[01:17]  * Dr_willis thinks the whole deal needs more clarification. HOW can you boot vista if you dont even see a grub menu?
[01:18] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: default entry in menu.lst ?
[01:18] <akira> Dr_willis : you got me on that one?
[01:18] <JJtech> when booting, i press F11 to choose where to boot 1st...
[01:18] <Dr_willis> so hes bypasing grub totally with F11 - ive done similer with a machine,
[01:19] <JJtech> i hav 3 hard disk, each with diffirent OS
[01:19] <Dr_willis> Problem with the f11 method. is that some times hard drives get 'swaped' around in the bios ive noticed. so  what was sdb when you installed.. becomes sda whenyou boot it with the bios menu feature.
[01:19] <JJtech> i see
[01:19] <redelf> hi all
[01:19] <Dr_willis> But ive never heard of the ubuntu system beeping.. the flashing led. ivbe seen when the kernel really really crashes bad.,
[01:20] <JJtech> i think it's not with the ubuntu
[01:20] <akira> i only have 1 hd with 3 o.s and never had a prob
[01:20] <Dr_willis> akira,  you hit a key at boot and tell the pc what hd to boot? ive had different machines handle that 'way' differntly.
[01:21] <JJtech> no problem with 1 hard disk..i tried that already..
[01:21] <Dr_willis> but eevnif the hd;s were getting switched - he still should be seeing a grub menu.
[01:21] <JJtech> but i want to use each hard drive, and separate system..
[01:22] <akira> Dr_willis i never used more than 1 hd
[01:23] <JJtech> anyway, i change settings in my BIOS, when i want to load Kubuntu i change bios settings..and it fixed.. no beeping
[01:23] <JJtech> i have 3 hard disk, but each only 80g
[01:24] <akira> Dr_willis:not is he didnt have a swap
[01:25] <JJtech> ???
[01:26] <Cake> damn
[01:28] <akira> wifes buggin me for dinner be back latrs all
[01:28] <dennister> JJtech: ok, well it looks like i'll be wiping this hard drive clean over the weekend and starting from scratch
[01:28] <Dr_willis> ive booted with no swap. there would be some errors if the fstab tryes to mount the thing and its not there.. but ive had it boot.
[01:29] <JJtech> i see
[01:29] <JJtech> got to go... bRb
[01:30] <dennister> JJtech: having a different OS on 2 or 3 diff 80G drives is actually a good idea...i have 2 drives and if  one drive goes bad, you have a backup while u try to rescue/re-install the other
[01:30] <dennister> i loved the fact that while my winblows was on sata drive, i put linux on ide drive...and i never have to "fool windows" to think it's on the first drive
[01:31] <dennister> when i was a noob i wasted a coupla weeks following howtos on how to "fool windows"; then found out by lucky accccccident that ubuntu did all that for me
[01:32] <dennister> aaaaaaaaaack!
[01:32] <dennister> <----talks to ghosts, herself...
[01:33] <dennister> actually, it was my slow-to-redrrraw xorg that was at fault :P
[01:33] <roar_> KDE 4  is awesome!
[01:35] <|Jason8|MK|> Hey guys.
[01:35] <|Jason8|MK|> I just installed kubuntu today, and it didn't install my sound card.
[01:36] <|Jason8|MK|> I checked in /dev/ for the sound card device, and it's not even there.
[01:36] <|Jason8|MK|> Any ideas?
[01:36] <Dr_willis> there are some newer sound cards/chipsets that dont have linux/alsa support.. yet... sadly.
[01:36] <Dr_willis> i would say use 'lspci' and see what your sound card is. and check the ubuntu forums
[01:36] <Dr_willis> also check the !alsa wiki page
[01:36] <Dr_willis> !alsa
[01:36] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:37] <|Jason8|MK|> Thanks.
[01:37] <|Jason8|MK|> I just got this computer over the summer, it has an Nforce 405 chipset on the board
[01:37] <BluesKaj> |Jason8|MK|, in the konsole : cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:38] <|Jason8|MK|> no such file or directory.
[01:38] <BluesKaj> ok try , lspci | grep audio
[01:39] <dennister> gonna close this to save hdd seek time ppl, annnd wipe hdd clean over weekend...later all
[01:39] <lgkan> >>>bring it on<<<<O
[01:39] <|Jason8|MK|> BluesKaj: nothing happened.
[01:40] <|Jason8|MK|> Just gave me a new line in the terminal.
[01:40] <BluesKaj> |Jason8|MK|, look for "audio controllers "type : lspci
[01:42] <onishidato> hello veryone
[01:42] <RATTTTS> i have a problem with wine
[01:42] <|Jason8|MK|> No audio controllers :/
[01:42] <onishidato> do you know how can i play a .DAT file on Kubuntu?
[01:42] <onishidato> :(
[01:43] <|Jason8|MK|> It's a High-Definition Audio card with an nvidia chipset.
[01:43] <RATTTTS> i have a dual boot, and in my vista boot, xfire runs perfectly with its updates. when i log onto my linux boot and access the vista os from it to run the xfire.exe with wine, it runs the oldest version of xfire. how do i make it run the updated version??????
[01:43] <onishidato> someone can help me?
[01:43] <|Jason8|MK|> ...Actually, most of the stuff when I use lspci comes up as NVidia Corporation: Unknown Device
[01:44] <angel> jason i have nvidia hd  and run good
[01:44] <angel> wait
[01:44] <Dr_willis> RATTTTS,  i wouls suggest you reinstall xfire with wine, and not run apps from a windows hd. that has caused issues with me in the past.
[01:44] <RATTTTS> true, but i cant get xfire to install with wine so i have to do it that way
[01:44] <Dr_willis> its also possible thers some other xfire.exe  thats the newer one.
[01:44] <RATTTTS> i get some errors
[01:45] <Dr_willis> im suprised that xfire works at all. :) old or new.
[01:45] <|Jason8|MK|> RATTTTS: sounds like you have two copies of xfire installed.
[01:45] <RATTTTS> ??
[01:45] <angel> jason8: my module is   snd_hda_intel
[01:45] <RATTTTS> i doubt i have 2 copies
[01:45] <DM|> So i got VNC working to connect to a KDE box but cant control the desktop, any ideas?
[01:45] <BluesKaj> |Jason8|MK|, did you setup alsa in the soundsystem as Dr_willis suggested ?
[01:45] <Dr_willis> Prove it. :) you could reinstall xfire under windows and tell it to installto c:/NEWXFIRE and see if you an run it from there.
[01:46] <RATTTTS> by the way. has anyone successfully run WOW on linux without cedega?
[01:46] <RATTTTS> il try that
[01:46] <Dr_willis> DM|,  there may be some  security setting for the kde remote desktop (sounds like)  I never share the current desktop - so cant  tell ya even where to look.
[01:46] <angel> chip: alc883  with module: snd_hda_intel
[01:47] <DM|> RaTTTTs i do yes
[01:47] <lgkan> how does one take ownership of a harddrive previously with xp or vista on it
[01:47] <RATTTTS> u run wow?
[01:47] <RATTTTS> on wine?
[01:47] <DM|> RATTTTS: yes with WINE
[01:47] <RATTTTS> how did u do it?
[01:47] <DM|> cedega f*ing blows
[01:47] <lgkan> If I can run gw on wine wow should work too
[01:47] <DM|> RaTTTTs there are how twos
[01:48] <DM|> toos*
[01:48] <onishidato> how can i play a .DAT on kubuntu?
[01:48] <RATTTTS> i tried the how tos
[01:48] <DM|> tos*
[01:48] <RATTTTS> they all suck
[01:48] <|Jason8|MK|> BluesKaj: It seems as though kubuntu can't even see the sound device.
[01:48] <RATTTTS> can you direct me to a good how to?
[01:48] <DM|> RaTTTTs http://www.wowwiki.com/Linux/Wine#Sound_stops_working_after_alt-tabbing_out
[01:48] <DM|> wait
[01:48] <RATTTTS> thats what you used right?
[01:48] <DM|> yeah thats the one
[01:48] <RATTTTS> thatnbx
[01:48] <RATTTTS> thanx*
[01:49] <DM|> RaTTTTs i didnt use a guide, i know wine pretty well
[01:49] <BluesKaj> |Jason8|MK|, ' alsamixer ' in the terminal ?
[01:49] <RATTTTS> kool
[01:49] <|Jason8|MK|> BluesKaj: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[01:49] <angel> play .data  in kubuntu
[01:50] <angel> fist aptitude install   libxine-dev libxine-doc libxine1-gnome libxine1-plugins libxinerama-dev
[01:50] <RATTTTS> hey DM|
[01:50] <BluesKaj> |Jason8|MK|,  hmmm... bummer :/
[01:50] <DM|> RATTTTS yes?
[01:50] <Tm_T> angel: er?
[01:50] <angel> second: open kaffeine  and search .dat
[01:50] <RATTTTS> i did access my vista boot from wine to run wow.exe and it got me to the login screen...graphics were great, but when i login and select my character and it loads the game, it just keeps loading
[01:50] <|Jason8|MK|> BluesKaj: I was looking around google and this computer's supposed to be real good with linux in general.
[01:51] <RATTTTS> and dodest play
[01:51] <Tm_T> angel: you don't make much sense
[01:51] <RATTTTS> doesnt play*
[01:51] <|Jason8|MK|> Maybe it's because I'm running an old version of kubuntu.  I got 6.06 right now.
[01:51] <BluesKaj> |Jason8|MK|, so your machine is fairly new ?
[01:52] <|Jason8|MK|> BluesKaj: Yeah.
[01:52] <|Jason8|MK|> It's an Acer T180, bought it this summer.
[01:52] <BluesKaj> |Jason8|MK|, yeah, could be
[01:52] <|Jason8|MK|> So far kubuntu/ubuntu hasn't liked the integrated graphics or the sound.
[01:52] <DM|> RATTTTS so you are running it from a Windows drive?
[01:53] <RATTTTS> yes and it runs but when it loads it just keeps loading...after i select my character
[01:53] <Minataku> I've got DESQview/X up and running
[01:53] <Minataku> It's pretty cool
[01:53] <DM|> RATTTTS what vid card
[01:53] <Minataku> X11 on DOS
[01:53] <RATTTTS> 8600 m gs
[01:53] <DM|> RATTTTS nice, ok do you have write permissions on the windows drive
[01:53] <RATTTTS> ya i think so
[01:53] <BluesKaj> my pc ran dapper , thats 6.10 I think , and mine's almost 2 yrs old
[01:53] <angel> jason8: yes you have kernel old
[01:53] <RATTTTS> pretty sure i do
[01:53] <DM|> RATTTTS create a folder on the windows drive to be sure
[01:54] <RATTTTS> ok let me try
[01:54] <onishidato> how can i change my profile to root?
[01:54] <onishidato> they ask me if i'm a root
[01:54] <DM|> !permissions onishidato
[01:54] <Dr_willis> onishidato,  who asks you?
[01:54] <RATTTTS> ya, i can make a folder on it
[01:54] <DM|> lol woops wrong one
[01:54] <BluesKaj> |Jason8|MK|, I'd defeintely go for the newer release 7.10
[01:54] <Minataku> Haha, sweet
[01:54] <onishidato> my computer
[01:54] <Minataku> XEV.EXE XD
[01:54] <RATTTTS> i made a folder DM|
[01:55] <DM|> RATTTTS try the following command: wine /path/to/folder/wow.exe -opengl
[01:55] <jhoc2x2> im back
[01:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> mmmkay, apparently something didn't like that kde4 rc1 installation
[01:55] <onishidato> when i try to use the aptitude install   libxine-dev libxine-doc libxine1-gnome libxine1-plugins libxinerama-dev, they ask me that
[01:55] <RATTTTS> ok hold on
[01:55] <JJtech> is wine ok to use? what r pros and cons
[01:55] <JJtech> ??
[01:55] <JJtech> is wine ok to use? what r pros and cons??
[01:55] <Minataku> WINE is great
[01:55] <Dr_willis> onishidato,  when using 'system' type commands like that you NEED to use sudo at the start of the command
[01:55] <Minataku> !repeat
[01:55] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[01:56] <Dr_willis> sudo aptitude install   libxine-dev libxine-doc libxine1-gnome libxine1-plugins libxinerama-dev
[01:56] <Minataku> The pros are it lets you run a whole bunch of various Windows programs without Windows
[01:56] <|Jason8|MK|> BluesKaj: Got ya.  I'll download it at school next week some time :D
[01:56] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: erm?
[01:56] <Minataku> The cons are that it can't run all of them
[01:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> RATTTTS: check winehq and look for the opengl line in the comments.  add that to the .WTF config file
[01:56] <JJtech> i see
[01:56] <JJtech> thanks
[01:56] <Dr_willis> onishidato,  get it? sudo aptitude install   libxine-dev libxine-doc libxine1-gnome libxine1-plugins libxinerama-dev
[01:56] <Minataku> np
[01:56] <onishidato> thanks
[01:56] <RATTTTS> ok ill try your method. thanx for helping
[01:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> because yes, WoW works great with opengl (daggerspine ftw :D)
[01:56] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: that makes no sense
[01:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> i didn't say that >_>
[01:56] <JJtech> can my splinter Cell double agent run in wine?
[01:57] <Dr_willis> Tm_T,  hes trying to install stuff without using sudo.,
[01:57] <Minataku> There's something strangely awesome about typing "xset q" at a DOS prompt and having it return info about the running X server
[01:57] <Minataku> lol
[01:57] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: yes but why -doc -dev and xinerama packages?
[01:57] <Tm_T> he doesn't need them
[01:57] <JJtech> will my SplinterCell4 run in wine?
[01:57] <Minataku> !repeat
[01:57] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[01:57] <Dr_willis> Tm_T,  because thats what he said he was trying to install.. I dont have ESP.. ask him. :P
[01:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> S.T.A.L.K.E.R works, no reason that shouldn't.  if it offers an opengl mode, you're probably even better off
[01:57] <Minataku> !coc | JJtech
[01:57] <ubotu> JJtech: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[01:58] <Minataku> It's worth a shot, but probably not
[01:58] <JJtech> sorry
[01:58] <Minataku> It's okay
[01:58] <Minataku> Just calm down
[01:58] <|Jason8|MK|> Thanks for your help guys.  I appreciate it.  And happy Thanksgiving!
[01:59] <JJtech> i have been using windows OS since win95 up till now.. just recently change to linux
[01:59] <NickPresta> JJtech, welcome.
[01:59] <JJtech> thanks
[01:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> since win95?  noob...   :P
[01:59] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Laptop: krhm
[01:59] <JJtech> i have win95, win98, XP SP@, VISTA ULTIMATE
[01:59] <genii> lol Daisuke
[02:00] <joseph_> hey DM|   the filepath is wrong here /media/VistaOS/Program Files/World of Warcraft/wow.exe     i got it by right clicking the wow.exe file and going to properties
[02:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> and oh, definitely welcome.  always ready to bring another soul into the light
[02:00] <joseph_> what do i do?
[02:00] <DM|> joseph_ RATTTTS?
[02:00] <joseph_> yes lol
[02:00] <joseph_> sorry about that
[02:00] <angel> ratsss --dieee
[02:00] <RATTTTS> there u go
[02:00] <DM|> joseph try...  wine "/media/VistaOS/Program Files/World of Warcraft/wow.exe" -opengl
[02:00] <angel> ratt logout
[02:00] <Tm_T> angel: ?
[02:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> !coc | angel
[02:01] <RATTTTS> with quotes?
[02:01] <ubotu> angel: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[02:01] <DM|> RATTTTS aye, linux doesnt like spaces in file paths
[02:01] <DM|> RATTTTS wine "/media/VistaOS/Program Files/World of Warcraft/wow.exe" -opengl
[02:01] <Dr_willis> with the name  'program files' having a space - quotes are needed
[02:01] <Tm_T> you\ can\ escape\ spaces
[02:01] <Dr_willis> or cd to   "/media/VistaOS/Program Files/World of Warcraft/" then wine wow.exe  :)
[02:02] <Dr_willis> which i find works better
[02:02] <DM|> Tm_T  \ \ \ \  is too time consuming, quotes are easier
[02:02] <Tm_T> DM|: well tabfilling does it for you
[02:02] <DM|> Dr_willis wine wow.exe -opengl
[02:02] <DM|> Tm_T yes, quotes = easier though
[02:02] <DM|> copy paste, bam
[02:02] <Tm_T> all works
[02:03] <DM|> im not arguing the validity of the statement only its ease of use
[02:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> and therein lies the beauty of linux!  for any action, there are usually multiple ways to go about it.
[02:03] <Minataku> I find escaping easier
[02:03] <Tm_T> DM|: heh, well, you still have to write quotes, or just hit tab
[02:03] <Minataku> Because I usually forget the first quote then I have to go back
[02:03] <Minataku> lol
[02:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> "home"
[02:03] <Dr_willis> Dont forget the proper Case also.. :)
[02:03] <angel> ratttts:sorry
[02:03] <DM|> Tm_T to each their own :)
[02:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> works for me, don't think it does in a tty
[02:03] <JJtech> how to install flash player in konqueror browser??
[02:04] <Tm_T> DM|: yup
[02:04] <RATTTTS> hey DM| awesome help man it worked...problem is now, i cant alt tab out of the game lol
[02:04] <Minataku> Daisuke_Laptop: Not that easy, and even then, there's still multiple pressings of arrow keys
[02:04] <angel> i sorry
[02:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> yeah
[02:04] <Minataku> Followed by "End"
[02:04] <RATTTTS> i alt tab and it flashes what im tabing into then just goes back to the game
[02:04] <Minataku> Heehee
[02:04] <Minataku> Pig Up
[02:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> why followed by end?
[02:04] <Minataku> XD
[02:04] <DM|> RATTTTS you wont be able to , try switching to a diff desktop <alt><cntl> <left> or <right>
[02:04] <Minataku> Daisuke_Laptop: I've usually forgotten to put quotes on the end, too
[02:04] <Minataku> lol
[02:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> RATTTTS: because the game is pretty much taking over that desktop
[02:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah...
[02:05] <Dr_willis> or run the game in a window
[02:05] <RATTTTS> oh ya ill try that...lol
[02:05] <Tm_T> ok, back to topic, kids
[02:05] <DM|> RATTTTS also activate "sound in background in wow settings
[02:05] <Minataku> This is on topic
[02:05] <DM|> otherwise sound will be messed
[02:05] <Minataku> This can happen in Kubuntu
[02:05] <RATTTTS> hmm how to you make batch files in linux....i would like to run the game by double clicking from now on
[02:05] <Tm_T> Minataku: support channel
[02:05] <Minataku> It's valid to everyone here
[02:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> now.  kde4rc1 screwed
[02:05] <Minataku> It's also support related
[02:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> can't launch a kde4 session...
[02:05] <RATTTTS> sound in background....is that in a file, or in the game setting within the game?
[02:05] <Tm_T> Minataku: not currently
[02:05] <Minataku> Since someone may have wanted to know but was too afraid to ask
[02:05] <DM|> RATTTTS we dont do batch files here, you can make a custom entry in your kmenu
[02:05] <Dr_willis> RATTTTS,  make a file with the line you typed..    then chmod +x the file, then ya can double click onit
[02:06] <DM|> RATTTTS a setting in Sound in wow
[02:06] <Minataku> Like the kid in the back of the class who wet himself the first day and doesn't talk anymore
[02:06] <Minataku> XD
[02:06] <RATTTTS> ok kool
[02:06] <Minataku> Sorry
[02:06] <JJtech> lol
[02:06] <RATTTTS> save file as .txt?
[02:06] <NickPresta> RATTTTS, you don't have to have an extension
[02:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> (/usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/kdm/ doesn't exist)
[02:06] <DM|> RATTTTS doesnt need an extension
[02:06] <Dr_willis> RATTTTS,  extensions  are not needed. :) perhaps save it as .run so you rember what it does
[02:06] <RATTTTS> ok kool. hey DM| wats this background sound thing you mentioned?
[02:06] <JJtech> excuse me, how do i install flash player in konqueror??
[02:07] <DM|> RATTTTS a setting in Sound in wow
[02:07] <RATTTTS> ok kool
[02:07] <RATTTTS> ok
[02:07] <RATTTTS> so u mean just press escape in the game and go to the sound options right?
[02:07] <DM|> Ok now to my problem :) hehe , VNC, wont allow me to control the desktop once connected, only view, is there a KDE setting
[02:07] <Tm_T> !flash | JJtech
[02:07] <ubotu> JJtech: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[02:07] <DM|> RATTTTS yes
[02:07] <RATTTTS> ok thanx
[02:08] <Tm_T> RATTTTS: can you set your nick to lowercase?
[02:08] <Tm_T> hmmh
[02:08] <Tm_T> JJtech: ok, you have flash installed?
[02:08] <JJtech> not yeet
[02:09] <JJtech> pls help
[02:09] <Tm_T> JJtech: install kubuntu-restricted-extras package
[02:09] <JJtech> where?
[02:09] <RATTTTS> ok
[02:09] <DM|> Tm_T but you can tab fill his name :P ..... hehe
[02:09] <rattts> there we go
[02:09] <Tm_T> rattts: thanks
[02:09] <Tm_T> DM|: erm?
[02:09] <DM|> Tm_T type ratt and tab, autocompletes the name
[02:10] <Tm_T> DM|: I know
[02:10] <DM|> Tm_T im giving u a hard time :)
[02:10] <Tm_T> JJtech: open konsole and enter "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras"
[02:10] <Tm_T> DM|: I recommend not to
[02:10] <DM|> lol/...
[02:10] <Minataku> Tm_T: Now, now, don't be abusive
[02:10] <rattts> hey DM| i did "chmod +x wowrun" without the quotes...and nothing happened.
[02:10] <Tm_T> Minataku: ?
[02:11] <DM|> rattts usually doesnt give an output
[02:11] <JJtech> ok i'll try
[02:11] <DM|> tm_t just create a launcher in your kmenu (right click, edit menus)
[02:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> rattts: that's a typical thing.  if a command is successful, it probably won't tell you.  if there's an error, it'll let you know
[02:11] <Minataku> Throwing your weight around doesn't look too good
[02:11] <DM|> tm_t mt.
[02:11] <DM|> rattts:  just create a launcher in your kmenu (right click, edit menus)
[02:11] <rattts> ya ok but no double clickable icon popped up on my desktop
[02:11] <JJtech> Tm_T>> with the quotes in it?
[02:11] <rattts> no queotes lol
[02:11] <Minataku> No, no quotes
[02:11] <Tm_T> JJtech: without quotes :)
[02:11] <JJtech> ok
[02:12] <new2kubuntu7> Can anybody remote connect to my desktop and help me fix my windows
[02:12] <Tm_T> no
[02:12] <rattts> can i just do a make file?
[02:12] <Dr_willis> new2kubuntu7,  thats scary in several ways. :)
[02:12] <new2kubuntu7> Dr_willis, lol
[02:13] <Tm_T> new2kubuntu7: try ##windows if you need MS Windows support
[02:13] <new2kubuntu7> Dr_willis, im just seeing what you guys would say lol
[02:13] <DM|> new2kubuntu7: Windows fixing? bleh
[02:13] <JJtech> i typed it already, then it appear: " [sudo] password
[02:13] <Minataku> I have a DOS machine running X Window System :3
[02:13] <Minataku> :D
[02:13] <Minataku> lol
[02:13] <rattts> there is no right click edit menus???
[02:13] <new2kubuntu7> Lol my theme!
[02:13] <new2kubuntu7> not ms windows
[02:13] <new2kubuntu7> lol
[02:13] <Tm_T> JJtech: then enter your password
[02:13] <DM|> rattts Menu editor when u right click on your kemenu
[02:13] <DM|> kmenu
[02:13] <Rukus> so i officially uninstalled the KDE desktop. it made me mad. I went to gnome.
[02:13] <Rukus> so yah
[02:14] <Rukus> nice knowin you all
[02:14] <Tm_T> Rukus: ok
[02:14] <Rukus> thanks for all the help
[02:14] <Rukus> :)
[02:14] <rattts> where is my kmenu?
[02:14] <DM|> Rukus yeah im not likeing KDE right now
[02:14] <JJtech> ok.. done.. i thinks its installing
[02:14] <new2kubuntu7> Rukus: i hate kde!!! grr i love gnome easy!
[02:14] <Tm_T> JJtech: great :)
[02:14] <rattts> im running ubuntu newest version
[02:14] <DM|> rattts that big fat hard to miss K on the kicker bar
[02:14] <Rukus> i went to ubuntu to get away from frills and  bling that made things complicated.
[02:14] <rattts> i have no k lol
[02:14] <Rukus> so i duno why i chose kde
[02:14] <Rukus> gnome is for me
[02:14] <DM|> rattts running KDE right?
[02:14] <rattts> oh ok u  mean the ubuntu icon lol
[02:14] <rattts> gnome
[02:14] <Dr_willis> go run jwm then. :)
[02:14] <Tm_T> Rukus: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[02:15] <DM|> you are in the wrong channel
[02:15] <Minataku> Ugh... GNOME FTL
[02:15] <rattts> lmao
[02:15] <Minataku> Worst. DE. EVER.
[02:15] <DM|> rattts for #kubuntu is for kubuntu support
[02:15] <Minataku> Sorry, had to get that out.
[02:15] <Tm_T> ok
[02:15] <Dr_willis> C64 Geos! :)
[02:15] <rattts> ya i know lol but they are pretty much the same lol
[02:15] <DM|> rattts #ubuntu is for vanilla ubuntu support (gnome by default)
[02:15] <Minataku> Dr_Willis: JWM is awesome
[02:15] <Rukus> gnome, KDE, same thing, Its what YOU make it. both run the same programs, both can look the same, its all the same thing. KDE is a little more user friendly tho.
[02:16] <rattts> you guys are much more help than people on the #ubuntu channel
[02:16] <DM|> rattts not really when u ask a question here, we assume you are running KDE, which can give you different support methods
[02:16] <Minataku> Fluxbox is even better
[02:16] <DM|> rattts im not usually in here..
[02:16] <DM|> : P
[02:16] <Minataku> Actually, DM|, I don't even use *buntu
[02:16] <Minataku> I use Gentoo and NetBSD primarily
[02:16] <rattts> ok i know what you mean but can you guys finish helping me with this. i just  right clicked and opened the menu thing
[02:16] <Rukus> TM _T.  you better get a gf
[02:16] <Tm_T> Rukus: like to join #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[02:17] <DM|> Minataku Well yes but obviously you wouldnt ask a gentoo question here now would u
[02:17] <DM|> who got kicked
[02:17] <rattts> lol can i just make a .bat file and run it with wine?
[02:17] <DM|> oh rukus
[02:17] <DM|> no rattts
[02:17] <Minataku> I can't stand GNOME, I think KDE is bloated and I seriously dislike how Ubuntu dumbs everything down
[02:17] <Minataku> DM|: No, I'm here to provide support
[02:17] <Dr_willis> rattts,  you could of..
[02:17] <DM|> rattts its easy, right click ubuntu icon , edit menu
[02:17] <rattts> ya i am in edit menu but i dont know what to do now?
[02:18] <DM|> Minataku and thats fine and dandy
[02:18] <Tm_T> Minataku: yes, enough
[02:18] <lgkan> any idea how to configure, or what util for a logitech mx4000 will enable the side scroll on the wheel
[02:18] <Minataku> On less of a distro level and more of a Linux level
[02:18] <DM|> rattts select the section you wnat the "shortcut" to go, and click new item, its all very easy, you just have to look
[02:18] <Minataku> Tm_T: I'm allowed to have an opinion
[02:18] <Minataku> Especially since I _DO_ volunteer my time here
[02:18] <angel> alguien que hable español
[02:18] <angel> alguien que hable español
[02:18] <Tm_T> Minataku: you are, but take that to offtopic please
[02:18] <Minataku> angel #kubuntu-es
[02:18] <DM|> Minataku you are, but not in here lol
[02:19] <Minataku> DM|: It would seem so
[02:19] <DM|> Minataku : )
[02:19] <Minataku> Someone hoisted the USSR flag, it seems
[02:19] <DM|> Careful
[02:19] <Minataku> No opinions. Follow the state.
[02:19] <Minataku> :P
[02:19] <Minataku> I did explicitly avoid a certain flag
[02:20] <Minataku> I'm never gonna go there
[02:20] <Azzco> Still off-topic ;)
[02:20] <Dr_willis> its off topic tobe talking about offtopic!
[02:20] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:20] <Minataku> Haha
[02:21] <DM|> VNC, I can connect to my KDE desktop and view it but not control it, is there a setting im missing
[02:21] <DM|> Im new to KDE
[02:21] <Minataku> !vnc
[02:21] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[02:21] <Dr_willis> DM|,  may want to check  http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdenetwork/krdc/using-krdc.html
[02:21] <JJtech> Tm_T> ldconfig deffered processing now taking place.. what shud i do?
[02:21] <Minataku> Oh, yeah, I forgot there's yet another stupid KDE reimplementation for VNC, as well
[02:21] <DM|> Dr_willis im using xtightvncviewer not rdesktop
[02:22] <rattts> ok thank for all your support people. one more question...i crtl+alt+"right arrow key" out of wow and wow dissapeared? wats up with that?
[02:22] <Tm_T> JJtech: wait
[02:22] <Minataku> Try the Ubuntu link from the bot
[02:22] <DM|> rattts press alt cntl <opposite key> to get back
[02:22] <Dr_willis> DM|,  you need to check the  kddc settings that are shareing the desktop i guess..  thats why i mentioned that site
[02:22] <DM|> JJtech wait it out, its working. the hamsters are on their wheels
[02:22] <rattts> i did. i went to all 4 of my desktops and wow is gone lol
[02:22] <rattts> i think it closed
[02:22] <JJtech> ok
[02:23] <JJtech> is it ok if i type help in konsole?
[02:23] <DM|> rattts running compiz?
[02:23] <Minataku> rattts: Open a terminal and type ps -ax
[02:23] <Minataku> Then look for it
[02:23] <DM|> Dr_Willis kddc?
[02:23] <Minataku> If it IS still running, it's likely you'll have to close it manually
[02:23] <rattts> yes im running compiz..unfortunately i can turn my screen into a cube for some odd reason
[02:23] <Dr_willis> DM|,  krdc
[02:23] <Minataku> He meant krdc
[02:23] <rattts> cant*
[02:23] <Minataku> The stupid KDE reimplementation of VNC
[02:24] <DM|> Dr_Willis KDE is the server not the client
[02:24] <rattts> wat does ps -ax do?
[02:24] <Dr_willis> DM|,  and yes.. you need to be sure the SERVER is not set to 'read only' type mode.
[02:24] <Minataku> KDE seems to love taking things that exist and work excellently and making idiotic, broken reimplementations of them for no good reason
[02:24] <DM|> rattts dont worry about that,
[02:24] <rattts> ok
[02:24] <Minataku> rattts: It'll list all running processes
[02:24] <Minataku> DM|: Don't horn in on my assist
[02:24] <DM|> rattts if  you are running compiz it clears the wow screen, shut it down and restart wow,, DO NOT RUN COMPIZ WHILE PLAYING WOW IN FULL SCREEN MODE
[02:25] <rattts> hey, does linux have a ctrl+alt+delete windows equivalent...i like being able to manage my processes
[02:25] <Minataku> I'm trying to get him to see if WoW did indeed stop running
[02:25] <DM|> Minataku he has no need for that, thats not the problem
[02:25] <rattts> ok
[02:25] <Minataku> Ah
[02:25] <Minataku> Sorry then, DM|
[02:25] <DM|> Minataku its ok, i wasnt calling you out about it, just trying to help
[02:25] <Minataku> I thought you were just trying to push me aside
[02:25] <Minataku> lol
[02:25] <rattts> how do i shut compiz down again its been  a while since i installed it and i forgot how?
[02:25] <Minataku> Still, sorry, DM| :)
[02:25] <DM|> rattts alt F2, then metacity --replace
[02:25] <DM|> : )
[02:26]  * Minataku shudders
[02:26] <DM|> rattts to run compiz again, AlT f2 "compiz --replace"
[02:26] <Minataku> Ugh... metacity
[02:26] <rattts> so in alt f2 i type in "metacity --replace"
[02:26] <rattts> ok thanx
[02:26] <DM|> Minataku i prefer it, but this is not the place to discus it
[02:26] <Minataku> Discus!
[02:26] <DM|> lol
[02:26]  * Minataku pulls out a frisbee and wags his fox tails
[02:26] <Minataku> :D
[02:26] <Minataku> XD
[02:27] <DM|> grr this vnc is making me want to scream
[02:27] <Minataku> Spelling errors can be fun. :)
[02:27] <Minataku> Did you check the link from ubotu?
[02:27] <Minataku> !vnc
[02:27] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[02:27] <Minataku> It might have something that'll help
[02:27] <rattts> ok umm in gnome, i have 4 desktop icons i can ctrl+alt+"right or left" into...when i do metacity replace i only have 2, how do i make 4?
[02:28] <DM|> The thing is Minataku i can connect... but it doesnt allow me to move windows, only view
[02:28] <Minataku> rattts: Well, when a male desktop icon and a female desktop icon love each other...
[02:28] <Minataku> j/k
[02:28] <Minataku> XD
[02:28] <stdin> rattts: you know where to go for gnome support...
[02:28] <rattts> lol i fixed it nvm
[02:28] <Minataku> DM|: There's no extra info there?
[02:28] <rattts> thank for all the help
[02:28] <rattts> im logging out now cya guys
[02:28] <Minataku> Later
[02:29] <JJtech> Tm_T> uhhmm, my konsole here is still.. nothing happens.. shud i close it?
[02:29] <Minataku> DM|: Hm. Perplexing problem.
[02:29] <Minataku> Unfortunately, I've never used VNC.
[02:29] <Tm_T> JJtech: not yet, it installed and doesn't show any error?
[02:29] <Minataku> So I can't really help
[02:29] <JJtech> no error
[02:29] <Rukus> whats the best way to reinstall the KDE desktop back? aptitude install kubuntu-desktop ?
[02:29] <DM|> Minataku yes, GNOME worked fine when i set it up the same method on a diff computer, it seems its KDE
[02:29] <Tm_T> JJtech: yay! lovely :)
[02:29] <Tm_T> Rukus: that
[02:29] <Rukus> ok
[02:29] <JJtech> but still i can't watch video at youtube
[02:29] <Rukus> thx
[02:30] <Tm_T> JJtech: now, open Konqueror, settings -> configure -> plugins
[02:30] <Minataku> Hm
[02:30] <JJtech> ok..i'll try
[02:31] <Minataku> To think, if you'd just used Firefox, you'd have been vegging out on YouTube videos hours ago
[02:31] <Minataku> :P
[02:31] <Dr_willis> I start the kde desktop with the SystemSettings->shareing-> Desktop, and start a inviatiation, then i run vncviewer IP.it.says:#itsays and then when it connects it ASKS if i want the client to have read only access or not.  - Interesting way to do it.
[02:32] <Dr_willis> its not a good idea to share the current desktop and view it at the same time in vnc viewer.. :) it was sort of like having 2 mirrors faceing each other effect. heh.
[02:32] <Minataku> When I'm doing cross-network dealings, I usually just use X tunneling over SSH
[02:32] <Tm_T> JJtech: there's "scan new plugins" button to hit
[02:32] <Minataku> Which takes away the need to constantly retransmit an entire screen
[02:32] <JJtech> Tm_T> ok
[02:33] <JJtech> Tm_T> then?
[02:33] <JJtech> i hit the scan button
[02:33] <Tm_T> yes, when it have done the scan
[02:33] <Tm_T> see the next tab
[02:33] <Tm_T> if you find any flash related there, you're done
[02:34] <DM|> Minataku nope nothing in that helps
[02:34] <JJtech> not a thing
[02:34] <ratttts> hey DM| sound doesnt work on wow lol. i did the enable background sound thing but nothing happened
[02:34] <DM|> ratttts: again check out the link i gave you
[02:34] <Tm_T> JJtech: hmm?
[02:35] <ratttts> ok
[02:36] <Tm_T> JJtech: back to konsole
[02:36] <Tm_T> JJtech: "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
[02:37] <Tm_T> JJtech: and uhm, ->
[02:37] <Rukus> TM_T is that the proper way to make flash work under amd64? is to install that?
[02:37] <ardchoille> Tm_T: apt-cache search "uhm"  didn't return anything
[02:37]  * ardchoille hides
[02:37] <Tm_T> Rukus: no idea, I have never used 64bit system
[02:38] <Rukus> oh ok
[02:38] <Rukus> thanks anyways
[02:40] <DM|> oy this is really stinkin, VNC wont allow me to control the deskto
[02:40] <Dr_willis> DM|,  when i connected KDE poped up a dialog that had a checkbox to allow the remote user to controll the desktop or not.
[02:40] <windswept> hello
[02:41] <Dr_willis> it also randomly generated a password.. which i found annoying. :) but i rarely use that method.
[02:41] <guhhh> is there any way that i can recover my system? its all messed up!
[02:41] <windswept> how do I start the installer from the live cd.
[02:42] <Tm_T> windswept: it's in desktop, icon?
[02:42] <ardchoille> guhhh: You're going to have to narrow it down a little more than that
[02:42] <ardchoille> windswept: There should be an icon on the desktop
[02:42] <windswept> tim, no icon...
[02:42] <Minataku> Woohoo! I fixed the no-mouse problem in DESQview/X :D
[02:43] <DM|> Dr_willis lol now its just straight up refusing connections
[02:43] <Minataku> I had to load a DOS mouse driver first
[02:43] <Minataku> Hooray for CuteMouse :D
[02:43] <rdvon> where can I download a debian file of the purple plugin pack for pidgin?
[02:43] <windswept> also, the machine currently has a version of ubuntu on it which I want to blow away. (sort of)
[02:43] <Dr_willis> DM|,  im testing this on a single machine using localhost as my ip:
[02:43] <ardchoille> windswept: alt+f2, type in "ubiquity" (no quotes)
[02:43] <Dr_willis> DM|,  i enabled the uninvited connections, and the allow uninvited connections to controll.
[02:44] <windswept> ardchoflle
[02:44] <windswept> thanks
[02:44] <ardchoille> yw
[02:44] <Dr_willis> now when i 'vncviewer localhost:0' i get a dialog that  confirms it. then it works.
[02:44] <Minataku> That's rather dangerous, though
[02:44] <lovre> does any1 know if i can send SMS messages over internet by some free gateway? Im trying to write an application that would send SMS' to my phone when im away from computer.. is this possible?
[02:45] <lovre> sorry for OT
[02:45] <Minataku> Unless you're sure that it can't get out over the network
[02:45] <rdvon> !pastebin
[02:45] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:46] <guhhh> if my system is lost, what should i copy to make a backup? /usr /var /etc /home ....?
[02:46] <DM|> Dr_willis thats weird, works now.. i didnt change anything
[02:46] <rdvon> I'm trying to compile pidgin.. running ./configure worked and it said to type "make".. So I did and this happens:
[02:46] <rdvon> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45527/
[02:46] <ardchoille> Is kwrite not in the kmenu at all?
[02:47] <DM|> Dr_willis lol it crashed
[02:47] <Dr_willis> DM|,  dont forget the 'apply button' at the bottom. :)
[02:47] <Dr_willis> DM|,  now ya know why i normally SSH into a box. and run vncserver  with a real light window manager,
[02:47] <DM|> lol i did
[02:47] <DM|> Dr_willis aye... lol its sad
[02:47] <ardchoille> Is kwrite only a shell that uses the kde text editor component?
[02:47] <Dr_willis> ive noticed a lot of the KDE control center panels. get sized where the buttons are not seen
[02:48] <DM|> Dr_willis KDE is so heavy
[02:48] <Minataku> And GNOME is so ugly
[02:48] <Minataku> lol
[02:48] <Dr_willis> DM|,  i perfer the manual way. :) i keep icewm going (or jwm) and just a few apps that i always want running.
[02:48] <Minataku> Sorry XD
[02:48] <DM|> ssh for the win
[02:48] <Rukus> 41 minutes to back up a DVD so far
[02:48] <Minataku> Fluxbox is both very light and featureful
[02:48] <Rukus> wow
[02:48] <rdvon> Help plz.... :'(
[02:49] <DM|> rdvon ask the question, dont ask for help
[02:49] <rdvon> I asked it. >.>
[02:49] <Rukus> we missed it
[02:49] <Rukus> ask again
[02:49] <ardchoille> rdvon: Is there some reason you're compiling instead of using the one in the repos?
[02:49] <Minataku> No
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> ardchoille: pretty much
[02:49] <DM|> rdvon sudo apt-get install pidgin
[02:50] <rdvon> Not pidgin >.>
[02:50] <Minataku> You don't have to ask again, we can just scroll (or look) up
[02:50] <rdvon> the pidgin plugin pack
[02:50] <rdvon> I meant the plugin pack.
[02:50] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[02:50] <DM|> Dr_willis anyway to scale down the effects and stuff so my VNC is faster
[02:51] <ardchoille> rdvon: That amke file is messed up
[02:51] <ardchoille> rdvon:  in "rm -f $file &&  -o $file en_AU.po"  That "-o" is an argument that is missing a command
[02:51] <Minataku> lol
[02:52] <ardchoille> rdvon: That's the reason for the "/bin/sh: -o: not found" error
[02:52] <Downix> ok, I ran cedega no problem yesterday, but today after update, the graphics driver for my nvidia no longer seem to handle 3D at all
[02:52] <Dr_willis> DM|,  use a lighter window manager/desktop. :) disable wallpaper. disable fancy themes, eyecandy, other stuff...
[02:53] <Minataku> I highly recommend Fluxbox
[02:53] <Dr_willis> DM|,  of course you will be turning them off on your main desktop as well..
[02:53]  * Dr_willis highly reccomends jwm 
[02:53] <Dr_willis> :P
[02:53] <Minataku> It's extremely featureful while also being extremely light
[02:53] <Minataku> He IS replacing this on his MAIN DESKTOP
[02:53] <Dr_willis> It's extremely featureful while also being extremely lighter. :)
[02:53]  * ardchoille looks up jwm
[02:53] <Minataku> JWM is a bit light for that
[02:53] <DM|> Minataku Fluxbox is too simplistic for me, i find it ugly, thats why im trying KDE
[02:53] <rdvon> I use compiz fusion with a nice vista-ish style theme.
[02:53] <rdvon> Flame effects optional.
[02:54] <rdvon> ;)
[02:54] <Dr_willis> KDE + VNC = proberly going to be slow no matter what.
[02:54] <Minataku> Then forget about ever using VNC
[02:54] <DM|> thats what im fearing
[02:54] <DM|> im using ssh mostly
[02:54]  * BonesolTeraDyne perfers afterstep for a light desktop
[02:54] <Dr_willis> now freenx might be a little better.
[02:54] <DM|> and running apps through ssh
[02:54] <DM|> freenx doesnt have resumable sessions, or i havent found out how to do it
[02:55] <Dr_willis> never noticed. :) never used freenx actually. Last i looked there was some bugs with it and gutsy.
[02:55] <rdvon> I'm still getting the same compile error >.>
[02:55] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: jwm reminds me of icewm
[02:55] <DM|> Dr_willis worked fine for me under gnome
[02:55] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  its lighter :) its about as basic as one can get and still have  a start button.
[02:55] <NickPresta> rdvon, the makefiles created for my system didn't have errors in them. I don't know what to tell you
[02:56] <rdvon> archdoille: so how do i fix the make file?
[02:56] <NickPresta> I just compiled the plugin pack
[02:56] <Minataku> Yeah, jwm is incredibly light and very nice
[02:56] <johndavid> any know how to install n1 mimo wireless card driver on xubuntu?
[02:56] <rdvon> I just got downloaded and configured again.
[02:56] <rdvon> same error.
[02:56] <Dr_willis> jwm does have some issues with twinview/dual monitors however.
[02:56] <Minataku> But it's a little too light IMO for standard use
[02:56] <ardchoille> rdvon: I'd contact the developer and ask him/her. You're going to have to, cuz it's simply not gonna work as it.
[02:56] <Dr_willis>  I use it for vnc. and my mythtv box desktop.
[02:56] <Minataku> It's good for very tight systems
[02:57] <rdvon> ardchoille: is there a .deb file I could use :'(
[02:57] <ratttts> whats a good media player for linux?
[02:57] <ratttts> for music
[02:57] <rdvon> rattts: amarok
[02:57] <DM|> rythymbox i like
[02:57] <Minataku> But I prefer to step up to Fluxbox for capable systems
[02:57] <Minataku> Like Piyoko
[02:57] <rdvon> Amarok! :)
[02:57] <Minataku> ratttts: Audacious
[02:57] <ratttts> wow a big mix lol
[02:57] <Dr_willis> ratttts,  amarok. bmpx, songbird.
[02:57] <rdvon> Of course, songbird.
[02:57] <ardchoille> rdvon: Be careful with .deb's, find one made for Ubuntu, don't use one made for another distro cuz that's a bad idea.
[02:57] <Minataku> Definitely use Audaciots
[02:57] <Dr_willis> songbird is getting better all the time. :)
[02:57] <DM|> Dr_willis they finally fix songbird of all the bugs and crashes?
[02:57] <Minataku> *Audacious
[02:57] <johndavid> anyone know how to run ndis wrapper?
[02:57] <ratttts> honestly. which one is lightly packaged and easy to use
[02:57] <Minataku> ratttts: Audacious.
[02:57] <Dr_willis> DM|,  havent seen it crash on me lately.  they di release a new version last week
[02:57] <rdvon> ardchoille: could you send me a precompiled .deb... plz... :'(
[02:58] <Minataku> Ever use XMMS?
[02:58] <DM|> rattts if you use gnome, just use rythmbox
[02:58] <ratttts> ok thanks ill give it a try
[02:58] <BonesolTeraDyne> rdvon: songbird... heh, I forgot about that thing.
[02:58] <Downix> anyone know why an update of the system would cause 3D to fail?
[02:58] <Minataku> Audacious is pretty much the exact same
[02:58] <rdvon> rattts: no no no. use amarok
[02:58] <rdvon> ;)
[02:58] <ardchoille> rdvon: I don't have one
[02:58]  * BonesolTeraDyne goes off to get the latest version
[02:58] <Dr_willis> !info bmpx
[02:58] <ubotu> bmpx: Beep Media Player eXperimental. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.40.0~rc3-1build1 (gutsy), package size 2999 kB, installed size 9264 kB
[02:58] <DM|> lol
[02:58] <Minataku> So if you've ever used Winamp then you'll be comfortable with Audacious, too
[02:58] <rdvon> ardchoille: could you compile quickly.. only takes a sec :'(
[02:58] <DM|> i sense "brand" loyalty here
[02:58] <Minataku> Plus, I know a developer of it
[02:58] <ratttts> ok ya i used winamp
[02:58] <ardchoille> rdvon: And I don't compile. If it isn't in the repos, I don't use it :)
[02:58] <Minataku> So if you have problems, I can bug him for you
[02:58] <ratttts> ill try audacious first
[02:58] <Minataku> lol
[02:59] <Minataku> j/k, but you can always report any bugs, of course
[02:59] <Minataku> :D
[02:59] <rdvon> If rattts doesn't want access to an extensive script collection which you can download within amaroK then sure. go with the other ones :P
[02:59] <Minataku> Victory is mine!
[02:59] <Minataku> rdvon: Useless waste
[02:59] <Minataku> He's already not using KDE because it's a bloated pile
[02:59] <Dr_willis> we all need 1000+ scripts to paste what we are listing to - into irc.
[02:59] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:59] <ratttts> wats that command to completely remove somethign asgain?..i know it has the word purge in it
[02:59] <DM|> Dr_willis omfg, i cant reboot the computer and connect via VNC
[02:59] <Minataku> It's just purge
[02:59] <rdvon> Minataku: well... fine... But everyone I'm talking to on pidgin knows what I'm listening to via the pidgin plugin :P
[02:59] <Minataku> You need to make it a switch, though
[03:00] <Dr_willis> DM|,  Now you get to learn 'trouble shooting 101' skills. :)
[03:00] <ratttts> no lol its not purge
[03:00] <flaccid> kopete can do that too
[03:00] <Minataku> rdvon: Those scripts are incredibly annoying and also banned most places
[03:00] <DM|> Dr_willis im just tired, its KDE's problem
[03:00] <ratttts> its some long command to completely remove something
[03:00] <rdvon> Minakatu: For im. Not on irc.
[03:00] <rdvon> That'd be annoying >.>
[03:00] <Minataku> I don't even use IM, thankfully
[03:00] <DM|> Dr_willis KDE have an XDMCP option?
[03:00] <Minataku> Considering IM is already annoying enough
[03:00] <Tm_T> DM|: IIRC has already
[03:00] <flaccid> xorg has xdmcp
[03:00] <rdvon> Minataku: IM is the greatest thing on earth.
[03:00] <flaccid> !xdmcp
[03:00] <ratttts> ok let me ask it this way, what do you guys type in the termianl to completely remove some software you have installed?
[03:01] <ubotu> xdmcp is the X Display Manger Control Protocol -- look at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/ to find out how to configure it
[03:01] <Minataku> rdvon: The crap it is
[03:01] <ratttts> ok let me ask it this way, what do you guys type in the termianl to completely remove some software you have installed?
[03:01] <Minataku> It's as bad as cell phones
[03:01] <flaccid> also stuff on xdcmp/think client on the ubuntu wiki
[03:01] <NickPresta> rdvon, I created a deb using checkinstall. I can't promise you it will work on your system but I suppose it's worth a short?
[03:01] <Tm_T> Minataku: rdvon: offtopic
[03:01] <NickPresta> s/short/shot
[03:01] <Minataku> ratttts: emerge --remove packagename
[03:01] <rdvon> Could someone *please* compile this for me. :'(
[03:01] <rdvon> http://downloads.guifications.org/plugins//Plugin%20Pack/purple-plugin_pack-2.2.0.tar.gz
[03:01] <BonesolTeraDyne> Ok, that's annoying. Konqueror just decided that blogger.com doesn't need a working editor, and now the page is non-functional.
[03:01] <Minataku> But that won't work for you
[03:01] <Minataku> lol
[03:01] <rdvon> and make a .deb
[03:01] <rdvon> :(
[03:01] <DM|> flaccid looks like i have to install gdm :P
[03:01] <NickPresta> rdvon, look at my messages above
[03:01] <rdvon> Oh thanks nic.
[03:01] <rdvon> *nick
[03:02] <ardchoille> rdvon: If that make file is corrupt, no one else will be able to compile it either
[03:02] <flaccid> DM|: you don't have to use gdm, i guess that was what the guide was written for.. you can use kdm
[03:02] <NickPresta> rdvon, meet me in #kubuntu-offtopic for the deb/information
[03:02] <NickPresta> ardchoille, I just compiled it just fine on my system
[03:03] <Minataku> ardchoille: It's "makefile"
[03:03] <Minataku> No space
[03:03] <DM|> flaccid that guide isnt written for ubuntu
[03:03] <coreymon77> hey guys
[03:03] <flaccid> DM|: the one on the ubuntu wiki is
[03:03] <coreymon77> i have a computer on a livecd
[03:03] <ardchoille> I wasn't aware the phonics police were here
[03:03] <Minataku> ardchoille: There's a big difference
[03:03] <husni> hye
[03:03] <coreymon77> and im trying to mount a osx drive
[03:03] <DM|> flaccid it linked me a tldp.org
[03:03] <Minataku> Namely, if you add a space, it doesn't work right
[03:04] <coreymon77> its giving me the error that its not in fstab
[03:04] <flaccid> ubuntu wiki is a good place to search for anything you need to do. if its not there add it after you have done it :0
[03:04] <flaccid> DM|: search the wiki...
[03:04] <DM|> I am
[03:04] <ardchoille> Minataku: Worked quite well for me, I added a space and irssi posted the sentence :P
[03:04] <coreymon77> how would i go about puting the right information in fstab in order to mount the drive
[03:04] <Minataku> ardchoille: Try naming it "make file" in your next programming project
[03:04] <Minataku> It'll fail without specific instructions to make
[03:05] <Tm_T> Minataku: and you can stop that offtopicing
[03:05] <Minataku> At which point you're just being stupid
[03:05] <ardchoille> !coc | Minataku
[03:05] <ubotu> Minataku: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[03:06] <Minataku> Uh, if you named it "make file" in your project, that would be stupid. You can ask anyone and they'll agree.
[03:06] <Minataku> I wasn't calling you stupid
[03:06] <DM|> lol im gonna set it to auto login... lololo
[03:06] <Minataku> I was saying that it's a stupid thing to do. :P
[03:06] <Tm_T> nobody isn't renaming anything so stop it
[03:08] <Minataku> Sorry, as an engineer, if it's not correct within reasonable tolerance, it's wrong.
[03:08] <DM|> well we arent engineers
[03:08] <rdvon> Thanks for your help everyone.
[03:08] <rdvon> the 8ball loves you all.
[03:08] <DM|> rdvon : )
[03:08] <rdvon> The Purple 8 Ball says:  It's possible
[03:08] <Minataku> Haha
[03:09] <ardchoille> I love tose things
[03:09] <rdvon> ;)
[03:09] <Minataku> I had a real one, but it broke
[03:09] <Minataku> Out of nowhere it started leaking :(
[03:09] <rdvon> :(
[03:09] <DM|> Dr_willis my only solution ... auto login
[03:09] <Minataku> Cheap plastic 8ball
[03:10] <coreymon77> so, can anyone help me mount a ppc osx drive on a dapper livecd?
[03:10] <rdvon> The Purple 8 Ball says:  Certainly
[03:10] <rdvon> XD
[03:10] <Minataku> lol
[03:11] <ardchoille> rdvon: lol
[03:11] <Minataku> Dr_Willis left
[03:11] <coreymon77> please, this is an emergency
[03:11] <Minataku> coreymon77: It uses the Apple Partitioning Scheme
[03:11] <coreymon77> Minataku: so, what do i put in fstab?
[03:11] <Minataku> Is this on a PPC machine or an X86 machine?
[03:12] <BonesolTeraDyne> Minataku: he\she said PPC
[03:12] <Minataku> Well, when you look in /dev, you should see partition entries there
[03:12] <Minataku> BonesolTeraDyne: I can take a harddrive out of a PPC machine and put it into an x86 machine
[03:12] <Minataku> It'll still use whatever scheme it used in the old machine
[03:13] <Minataku> coreymon77: One of those entries will probably be the partition you're looking for
[03:13] <BonesolTeraDyne> Minataku: ? Wha? I answered your question...
[03:13] <coreymon77> Minataku: i know the partition
[03:13] <Minataku> BonesolTeraDyne: An HDD from a PPC Mac can be put into an x86 PC
[03:13] <DM|> later all
[03:14] <coreymon77> Minataku: thats not the point
[03:14] <coreymon77> Minataku: its a laptop
[03:14] <coreymon77> Minataku: and the partition is hda3
[03:14] <Minataku> coreymon77: What filesystem did you use?
[03:14] <BonesolTeraDyne> Minataku: That's a given, but I was just answering your question on what coreymon said.
[03:14] <coreymon77> Minataku: i still need to know what to put in fstab
[03:14] <Minataku> HFS+ ?
[03:14] <Minataku> UFS?
[03:14] <coreymon77> Minataku: whatever was the default
[03:14] <coreymon77> Minataku: because its my moms computer
[03:14] <Minataku> I don't know what that is
[03:14] <coreymon77> Minataku: and she wouldnt do anything out of the ordinary
[03:14] <Minataku> We'll try both then
[03:15] <coreymon77> Minataku: any way to find out, with konsole maybe
[03:15] <Minataku> Yes, you can try file -zrks /dev/hda3
[03:15] <Minataku> That SHOULD read the fs and give the report
[03:16] <Minataku> If it's HFS+, it should be easy
[03:16] <Minataku> If it's UFS, it may be impossible
[03:16] <rattts> hey people.  i have compiz installed. why wont a cube desktop show up?
[03:16] <Minataku> First, you can try seeing if the kernel can figure it out
[03:17] <Minataku> Just type "sudo mount /dev/hda3 /<someemptydirectory>"
[03:17] <stdin> rattts: 1) you have to activate that plugin, 2) support in #compiz-fustion
[03:17] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. My HD just did a  backflip on me.. AGAIN.. weird
[03:17] <Dr_willis> ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x0
[03:17] <Minataku> If it fails, it'll complain and we'll be a bit stuck
[03:17] <Dr_willis> :)at elast i got some error messages however
[03:17] <Minataku> Heh
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> rattts: install ccsm
[03:18] <Minataku> Too bad they're practically useless
[03:18] <coreymon77> Minataku: heres what it says
[03:18] <r_> Anyone figure out how to move widgets? I can only rotate them...
[03:18] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: check the cables?
[03:18] <coreymon77>  /dev/hda3: writable, no read permission
[03:18] <Dr_willis> res 51/40:00:9d:f1:60/00:00:00:00:00/e2 Emask 0x9 (media error) - Hmm so 0 is this a sign that my hd is getting ready to die a big death?
[03:19] <Minataku> coreymon77: Do it with sudo then
[03:19] <stdin> r_: kde4 support in #kde4-devel
[03:19] <Dr_willis> DaSkreech,  i will do that in a min. Its sata.. Hmm.. could be the cable is pinched i guess.
[03:19] <Minataku> Dr_Willis: Ah, that's a better error
[03:19] <Minataku> And it could very well be on it's way out
[03:20] <coreymon77> Minataku: Macintosh HFS Extended version 4
[03:20] <Minataku> Oooooh
[03:20] <Dr_willis> Hmm. i hope not - its a fairly new 500gb hd. :)
[03:20] <bmk789> i need a good program that will do RSS, podcasts, and video podcasts all together, is there something good like this
[03:20] <Dr_willis>   well be back in a little bit.
[03:20] <bmk789> like miro + rss feeds
[03:20] <Minataku> Now, to see if the kernel supports HFS+
[03:20] <Minataku> Or if you need a userland tool
[03:21] <coreymon77> Minataku: i dont need anything complicated
[03:21] <coreymon77> Minataku: i just need a way to get the data from the hd
[03:21] <stdin> Minataku: CONFIG_HFSPLUS_FS=m     (from "grep HFS /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic")
[03:21] <Minataku> Okay
[03:21] <Minataku> In that case
[03:21] <coreymon77> stdin: this is a dapper livecd though
[03:21] <coreymon77> stdin: does it use the same kernel?
[03:22] <stdin> hmm, nope
[03:22] <stdin> let me see if i can find out if dapper has it...
[03:22] <Minataku> coreymon77: sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/hda3 /<emptydirectoryasmountpoint>
[03:22] <Minataku> Or try that
[03:22] <guhhh> im having problems with permissions in the compromised system... is there any way i can copy the files that im having permissions problems to copy?
[03:22] <Minataku> If it fails, then you're up crap creek :\
[03:23] <stdin> coreymon77: what kernel version do you have>
[03:23] <Minataku> BTW: HFS is a pain in the ass with it's dual fork system
[03:23] <Minataku> You'll probably have to do some crazy crap to get the data correctly
[03:23] <coreymon77> stdin: 2.6.15-26-powerpc
[03:23] <Minataku> I.E. the data forks and not the resource forks
[03:23] <coreymon77> Minataku: well that may be, but it doesnt matter now
[03:23] <Minataku> Of course, the Mac will require both
[03:24] <DaSkreech> guhhh: sudo ?
[03:24] <Minataku> Because Macs frickin' suck ass in that kind of way
[03:24] <coreymon77> Minataku: thats not the point!
[03:24] <Tm_T> !ohmy | Minataku
[03:24] <Minataku> I gave you the command
[03:24] <Minataku> Try it already
[03:24] <mneptok> Minataku: teh Nac no longer uses resource and data forks.
[03:24] <Minataku> Tm_T: "Ass" is not a swear word anymore
[03:25] <mneptok> *the
[03:25] <ubotu> Minataku: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[03:25] <Minataku> Come back to 2007 from 1950
[03:25] <coreymon77> stdin: will it work?
[03:25] <stdin> Minataku: don't be rude
[03:25] <Minataku> mneptok: It does if it uses HFS+
[03:25] <stdin> coreymon77: looking
[03:25] <mneptok> Minataku: no, it doesn't
[03:25] <Minataku> Which I believe is still an option
[03:25] <Minataku> Funny, since the dual forks is what HFS is MADE FOR
[03:26] <mneptok> Minataku: HFS and HFS+ both support forks, but only Classic MacOS uses them
[03:26] <Minataku> coreymon77: You can try typing the damn command and seeing if it will
[03:26] <Minataku> But if you don't actually want any help, then that's fine too
[03:26] <guhhh> DaSkreech: no, im trying with k3b
[03:26] <stdin> coreymon77: yeah, same config as the newer kernels
[03:26] <coreymon77> stdin: thanks
[03:26] <Minataku> You can scroll up to find it. I don't care to repeat it.
[03:27] <Minataku> In fact, I'm done for tonight.
[03:27] <Minataku> Y'all can help yourselves.
[03:27]  * Minataku walks off
[03:27]  * mneptok laughs
[03:28] <stdin> Minataku: as a warning, behave or don't speak
[03:28] <Minataku> I already said I'm done
[03:29] <mneptok> and yet there you are.
[03:29] <Minataku> My apologies for my behavior, but I'm rather frustrated
[03:29] <mneptok> this planet has that effect on people.
[03:29] <Minataku> So I'm stepping back
[03:29]  * genii hands Minataku a soothing coffee
[03:30]  * Minataku downs it in one gulp
[03:30] <Minataku> lol
[03:30] <Minataku> Thanks XD
[03:30] <DaSkreech> guhhh: I don't know waht the problem space is
[03:30]  * mneptok hands Minataku a soothing metadone prescription and a copy of Dom Giampolo's "FS Design With The Be Filesystem"
[03:30] <mneptok> +h
[03:30] <Minataku> lol
[03:31]  * Minataku shreds the perscription and just reads the book
[03:31] <genii> heh I have a book like that
[03:31] <mneptok> good read. Dom's at Apple now.
[03:31] <Minataku> I'm not a big drug guy
[03:31] <mneptok> and probably more frustrated than you ;)
[03:31] <Minataku> Only what I'm perscribed by an actual doctor
[03:32] <Minataku> lol
[03:32] <Minataku> If he's at Apple, he must be
[03:32] <Minataku> He lost his GOOD job because of them
[03:32] <Minataku> Now he's a slave there instead
[03:32] <coreymon77> YES!
[03:32] <ardchoille> coreymon77: It works?
[03:32] <mneptok> it's more what he wants to do for Apple vs. what The Steve wants him to do for Apple
[03:32] <Minataku> coreymon77: You'd have been saying that 15 minutes ago if you had tried the command when I gave it to you
[03:33] <mneptok> Minataku: don't make me shove you out the airlock
[03:33]  * mneptok *raar*s halfheartedly
[03:33] <Minataku> Hey, I have a point, don't I? :P
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: you sound like my little bro..
[03:33] <mneptok> yes. sadly, at the moment, it's at the top of your head. :P
[03:33]  * genii examines Minataku's pointiness
[03:33] <genii> ;)
[03:34] <Dr_willis> Perverts! :)
[03:34]  * BluesKaj doesn't see the point ...of the discussion
[03:34] <Dr_willis> well backing up stuff off this hd.. befor it dies..
[03:34] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  its like a Broken Pencil.
[03:34] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[03:34] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:34] <Minataku> I gave him the command, and he chose to ignore it. The worst that would have happened if he had typed it and there had NOT been HFS+ support would have been an error.
[03:35] <Minataku> Sorry, but that is one of my all time buttons, being ignored when I'm helping someone
[03:35] <Minataku> You push that one, and I'm over the edge
[03:35] <Dr_willis> Huh? did you say somthing? :P
[03:35] <BluesKaj> give the guy a medal or somebody pat him on the back or something :)
[03:36] <Minataku> It's really the utmost in disrespect, as if my help isn't good enough or something
[03:37] <stdin> Minataku: regardless of others behaviour, it's not an excuse to mirror it. just rise above it and relax
[03:37] <Minataku> Sorry, but when I'm disrespected, I don't feel much like giving respect back
[03:38] <stdin> then respect the channel if not the user you're helping
[03:38] <stdin> (and the other users in the channel)
[03:38] <Minataku> Either way, I'm sorry for getting out of hand
[03:38] <stdin> ok, forgiven :)
[03:38] <Minataku> I'm sure you've had times like this :P
[03:38] <Minataku> I just don't tend to handle them as well as others. XD
[03:39] <DaSkreech> Minataku: Coffee?
[03:39] <Minataku> Don't drink it
[03:39] <Minataku> Caffiene has no effect on me anyway
[03:39] <stdin> I compile something when I'm upset, like the kernel or something. when it's done I'm too tired to be angry :p
[03:39] <DaSkreech> !coffee
[03:39] <ubotu> coffee is a caffeinated beverage made by filtering water through ground up roasted beans of the coffee plant. Flavouring to taste such as milk or cream, sugar or sweetener are often added afterwards. Not to be confused with !java
[03:39] <genii> DaSkreech: :)
[03:40] <Minataku> Everything I tried to compile today failed and pissed me off. XD
[03:40] <genii> tm_t added !coffee for me today
[03:40] <stdin> Minataku: that's why the gnu folk added the "rm" command
[03:40] <angel> XD
[03:41] <biovore> rm -- remove microsoft :-P
[03:41] <Minataku> Yeah, but using it in that case is admitting failure :P
[03:41] <stdin> biovore: no, that's mkfs :p
[03:41] <Tm_T> yes yes
[03:41] <Tm_T> Minataku: no reason to misbehaviour
[03:41] <Minataku> We already established that
[03:41] <DaSkreech> Hey
[03:41] <NickPresta> there needs to be a "simulate" option for `rm`. Doing something like `rm -rfs /*` when I'm upset with my computer would make me feel better =D
[03:41] <Tm_T> yup yup
[03:41] <DaSkreech> if you had a blank file system what would you need to add to it to start apt-getting ?
[03:42] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm still a tad angry
[03:42] <Minataku> DaSkreech: A kernel, for one
[03:42] <DaSkreech> NickPresta: that's what chroots are for :)
[03:42] <DaSkreech> Minataku: Well a live cd could suply that
[03:42] <Minataku> Libraries would be nice, too
[03:42] <Minataku> XD
[03:42] <mneptok> Minataku: people ignore my advice all the time. and with all due respect, mine's worth more than yours. you learn to let people make their own beds.
[03:42] <Tm_T> yup
[03:42] <Minataku> I'll partially ignore your comment, mneptok
[03:42] <stdin> let them crawl back :)
[03:43] <mneptok> Minataku: your *Ubuntu advice will be worth as much as mine when we share an office. :)
[03:43] <Minataku> Well if it's buntu advice :P
[03:44] <mneptok> BeOS and any Apple OS, too. i've worked in those sausage factories, as well.
[03:44] <Minataku> I've used BeOS
[03:44] <Minataku> I also have fair experiece with A/UX
[03:44] <mneptok> it's a great OS. if this is 1994.
[03:44] <Minataku> Which I must admit, is the best OS to ever come out of Apple
[03:45] <Minataku> They should have stuck with that one
[03:45] <DaSkreech> Haiku!!!
[03:45] <naelrssinssrig> good evening all and happy thanksgiving to usa irc'ers
[03:45] <mneptok> DaSkreech: necrophilia is *really* unattractive ;)
[03:45] <jacob> hello, what are the packages i need to install to give dvd playback
[03:45] <Minataku> <.<
[03:45] <Minataku> !dvd
[03:45] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:45] <mneptok> jacob: or just install VLC
[03:45] <naelrssinssrig> I hate jumping into a chat room new and asking for help but this one has been kicking my butt for 3 days
[03:46] <jacob> mneptok: i did install vlc but i can't get past the first menu
[03:46] <jacob> mneptok: like i press play disc, and then dvd (titles) but it plays like a 15 second clip
[03:46] <naelrssinssrig> anyone out there have a one of these acer aspire 5520 laptops and having problem getting kubuntu to boot
[03:47] <mneptok> jacob: menus are usually a different track on the DVD. try skipping to the next track.
[03:48] <DaSkreech> mneptok: It was the only really innovative OS for lie .. a long time
[03:48] <DaSkreech> naelrssinssrig: you do realise that's what this channel is for? :)
[03:48] <Minataku> Then Jobs went and ruined it
[03:48] <jacob> mneptok: after it plays the 15 sec thing it basically acts like its the end of the playlist
[03:48] <DaSkreech> naelrssinssrig: did you try any cheat codes?
[03:49] <Minataku> IDDQD
[03:49] <Minataku> j/k
[03:49] <Minataku> XD
[03:49] <mneptok> DaSkreech: but there were fundamental problems that are not easily remedied
[03:49] <naelrssinssrig> what channel is this
[03:49] <naelrssinssrig> kubuntu channel right
[03:49] <Tm_T> please please stop that offtopic
[03:49] <DaSkreech> naelrssinssrig: kubuntu support .. to fix your problems
[03:49] <Pyrobyte> hello all whenever i try to open amarok i get this error "Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: Permission denied." it opens and works, but there is no system tray icon. i do not have kde installed but was told to come here as you may know more about amarok any ideas
[03:49] <naelrssinssrig> right .. I am having problems
[03:49] <mneptok> DaSkreech: (e.g. lack of a decent netstack and half-right POSIX compliance)
[03:49] <naelrssinssrig> kubuntu won't boot on this laptop
[03:49] <DaSkreech> naelrssinssrig: live cd ?
[03:50] <naelrssinssrig> no the live cd works just fine.. and installs...
[03:50] <DaSkreech> ah
[03:50] <naelrssinssrig> when I reboot... I end up in a busybox ash
[03:50] <DaSkreech> what does the install do?
[03:50] <DaSkreech> with no errors?
[03:50] <NickPresta> Pyrobyte, is that the only error you get?
[03:50] <Pyrobyte> i used to gat another error about dcopserver but it doesn't come up anymore
[03:50] <naelrssinssrig> found on tht ubuntu forums that it is appeantly the acpi that the hard drive controller uses.. and noacpi in grub doens't help the boot
[03:50] <soviet> why kubuntu stinks so much ?
[03:51] <NickPresta> soviet, that is your opinion.
[03:51] <BonesolTeraDyne> soviet: How does it stink?
[03:51] <naelrssinssrig> the install goes great... no problems
[03:51] <soviet> in a lot of special ways
[03:51] <Pyrobyte> wait, i found the system tray icon, its in a window not the tray
[03:51] <soviet> exact same problem heare
[03:51] <soviet> is the update manager
[03:51] <soviet> can't stop stinking
[03:52] <DaSkreech> naelrssinssrig: so It's never booted?
[03:52] <Tm_T> soviet: are you ranting or asking help?
[03:52] <naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: no it always fails.. even in recovery mode ends in busybox
[03:52] <genii> naelrssinssrig: By any chance was it the server install? No gui with that one
[03:53] <naelrssinssrig> genii: no it was graphical...
[03:53] <DaSkreech> genii: that wouldn't explain bustbox
[03:53] <DaSkreech> Busybox
[03:53] <genii> DaSkreech: Yeah, true should just give regular shell
[03:53] <naelrssinssrig> and the 64 bit won't even boot to the install desktop
[03:53] <NickPresta> Pyrobyte, you may need to `find ~ -user root -group root` and see if there are any files related to amarok owned by root. If there are, `chown yourusername:yourusername /path/to/file`
[03:54] <Pyrobyte> NickPresta: i will give it a go thanks
[03:54] <naelrssinssrig> I have been using linux for bout 10 years... this is the first problem I have not been able to figure out myself
[03:54] <naelrssinssrig> kubuntu is one 4 of my 5 comptuers...
[03:54] <naelrssinssrig> er is on
[03:55] <naelrssinssrig> I have read that opensuse works on this laptop.. and someone else suggested fedora 8 but I want Kubuntu/Ubuntu...
[03:55] <Pyrobyte> NickPresta: only output is "/home/mitchell/.kde/socket-ubuntu    /home/mitchell/.rnd"
[03:55] <naelrssinssrig> I didn't try Ubuntu because both K and U come from teh same package sources.. it wouldn't help do ya think?
[03:56] <DaSkreech> No it wouldn't
[03:56] <naelrssinssrig> didn't think so
[03:56] <DaSkreech> is there a list of the cheatcodes
[03:56] <DaSkreech> I forget
[03:56] <DaSkreech> I recall there are two powermanagement cheat codes
[03:56] <DaSkreech> noapci and another one
[03:56] <DaSkreech> It may be the other one that you need
[03:57] <DaSkreech>  noapci always seems to work for me so far
[03:57] <NickPresta> Pyrobyte, yes, the folder .kde/socket-YOURHOSTNAME is owned by root but the files instead shouldn't be (at least they aren't on my system). I don't know how else to help you. Try asking in #amarok
[03:58] <NickPresta> !boot | DaSkreech
[03:58] <ubotu> DaSkreech: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[03:58] <Pyrobyte> NickPresta: thanks
[03:58] <NickPresta> should be in BootOptions
[03:58] <weenus> test
[03:58] <naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech I tried both cheat codes and ended up in the busybox
[03:58] <weenus> testing
[03:58] <DaSkreech> naelrssinssrig: what's the hard drive controller?
[03:59] <naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: lemme see if I can figure it out in this vista crap.. one sec
[03:59] <DaSkreech> ha ha
[03:59] <DaSkreech> That's normally easier in the live Cd
[04:02] <soviet> stinky
[04:02] <soberon> Hi... Please: I am trying to share files, but says: "SMB and NFS servers are not installed..." Which package(s) I must to install? Thanks in advance
[04:02] <soviet> why are you all speaking about kubuntu ?
[04:02] <soviet> if you can go out and fuck
[04:02] <NickPresta> lol
[04:02] <BonesolTeraDyne> Thanks
[04:02] <Dr_Willis_> The babes dig linux
[04:03] <genii> Well, the nerdy ones
[04:03] <Dr_Willis_> Nerdy babes... drooooooooollll....
[04:03] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[04:03] <Tm_T> stop
[04:04]  * genii stops
[04:04] <Dr_Willis_> I leave for a few min.. and all heck breaks out.
[04:04] <naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: I can't find it in vista.. it isn't where it should be..
[04:04] <metaborn> hi
[04:04] <DaSkreech> naelrssinssrig: the theme song of Vista
[04:04] <Tm_T> !samba | soberon
[04:04] <ubotu> soberon: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[04:04]  * DaSkreech hums Noooothing is where it should be
[04:04] <naelrssinssrig> haha
[04:05] <DaSkreech> !laptop
[04:05] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[04:05] <DaSkreech> Though that's probably defunct now
[04:05] <DaSkreech> naelrssinssrig: #ubuntuforums is maybe your best bet
[04:05] <naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: I have worn out the forums... that is why I ended up here
[04:06] <soberon> Yes... but what package is needed for it?... I can see other machines in the net, but if I try to share one of my files theese announcement appears
[04:06] <naelrssinssrig> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=565213&highlight=acer+5520
[04:06] <naelrssinssrig> that is the closest I found to my exact problem
[04:06] <DaSkreech> naelrssinssrig: I'm guessing if you figure out the chipset that's making the kernel hurl you will be a long way to the fix
[04:07] <DaSkreech>  #ubuntuforums is an irc chan that would probably be able to help you narrow it down quickly
[04:07] <naelrssinssrig> ok I will try there...
[04:07] <naelrssinssrig> thanks daskreech
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Sure
[04:08] <naelrssinssrig> I will reboot with the live cd and find the exact chipset..
[04:08] <naelrssinssrig> daskreech: just do the kinfo?
[04:10] <metaborn>  /msg nickserv identify Valexor9
[04:10] <DaSkreech> sudo lshw | less works for me
[04:10] <DaSkreech> Whoot :)
[04:11] <DaSkreech> Time to have a personal chat with nickserv
[04:11] <metaborn> I'm new to this, it's a pain
[04:11] <metaborn> Trying to register my nic
[04:12] <DaSkreech> !register
[04:12] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[04:12] <stdin> metaborn: the name metaborn has already been registered 2 years 18 weeks 2 days (5h 28m 18s) ago
[04:12] <metaborn> Thank you
[04:13] <metaborn> I know, I registered it a long time ago, but I forgot the password
[04:13] <stdin> metaborn: you have to get a staffer to drop it for you so you can register it
[04:13] <metaborn> How do I do that?
[04:13] <metaborn> how do I get a hold of a staffer?
[04:13] <metaborn> I'm looking though the faq right now
[04:14] <DaSkreech> #freenode might help
[04:14] <metaborn> Thank you
[04:14] <DaSkreech> I thought they nuked people who didn't log in?
[04:14] <stdin> or /who freenode/staff/*
[04:14] <Minataku> Not here they don't
[04:15] <coreymon77> okay guys
[04:15] <coreymon77> new question
[04:15] <coreymon77> if i boot this computer into target disk mode
[04:15] <coreymon77> and connect this computer and the other laptop through firewire cable
[04:15] <coreymon77> how do i get the dapper livecd kubuntu to recognize and mount my target disk mode laptop as an hd an mount it
[04:16] <coreymon77> so that i can take the files from the hard drive and move them to my computer
[04:17] <surgy> yo
[04:17] <angel> tu
[04:17] <angel> el
[04:17] <surgy> i need help compiling a program anyone up to the task?
[04:17] <coreymon77> you guys do know what target disk mode is right?
[04:18] <genii> !compile
[04:18] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:19] <surgy> genii: lol how did i know your answer? actually i was looking for application specific help, im trying to compile pcsx2 and it doesnt have a make file or a config file, and was wandering if a guru such as yourself might be of some assistance?
[04:19] <coreymon77> oky
[04:19] <coreymon77> lets try this
[04:20] <coreymon77> how do i set up a bcm43xx wifi card on a dapper livecd without an internet connection on that computer
[04:20] <Naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: Nvidia.. almost everything is nvidia.. wtf it should work
[04:20] <genii> surgy: Normally yes but tonight I am weary and only giving the simple fast answers LOL
[04:20] <stdin> surgy: post (to pastebin) what "ls" shows in the dir
[04:20] <surgy> genii: lol thnx anyways
[04:21] <genii> !info pcsx2
[04:21] <ubotu> Package pcsx2 does not exist in gutsy
[04:21] <genii> hmm
[04:21] <genii> what is it?
[04:21] <surgy> http://pastebin.ca/794471
[04:21] <surgy> a ps2 emulator
[04:21] <stdin> !info pcsx
[04:22] <ubotu> pcsx: Sony PlayStation emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.699df-rc3-1 (gutsy), package size 8 kB, installed size 40 kB
[04:22] <genii> Aaah ok
[04:22] <surgy> as in playstation 2
[04:22] <stdin> like that ^?
[04:22] <surgy> yeah but pcsx is the playstation one emu i want the playstation 2 emu which is called pcsx2
[04:22] <DaSkreech> Naelrssinssrig: you said this series is known to have problems?
[04:23] <se7en> !gimp
[04:23] <Naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: yea I found a forum post with the same problems I have the series doesn't have them just this one laptop in the series
[04:23] <ubotu> gimp is an advanced image manipulation application for Ubuntu. See http://www.gimp.org for tutorials and more information.
[04:24] <stdin> surgy: it has .am and .ac files (automake/autoconf), make sure you install autoconf and autotools-dev, then run "autoreconf"
[04:24] <surgy> stdin: any ideas?
[04:24] <stdin> surgy: that should make a configure script
[04:24] <surgy> stdin: ok
[04:24] <genii> surgy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=399165
[04:25]  * genii sips
[04:25] <Naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: most of the aspire 5520's have a few wireless driver problems or the video but they are most fixed with the restricted drivers packages... mine the 5520-5716 seems to be the only one with this boot problem
[04:25] <stdin> what type of evil app donesn't even have a README??
[04:25] <genii> stdin: That IS evil
[04:25] <surgy> stdin: it has one in a subdirectory but its very vague and missleading, also the configure script is going to make me a make file right?
[04:26] <stdin> surgy: configure is easy (for the user)
[04:26] <stdin> ./configure ; make ; sudo make install
[04:26] <surgy> yeah but when i run ./configure it should create a make file right?
[04:26] <surgy> kewl
[04:26] <stdin> (that installs to /usr/local)
[04:26] <genii> the url I gave has about 3 steps involved to make the program, ubuntu-specific
[04:27] <DaSkreech> Naelrssinssrig: that's the 5520 G ?
[04:27] <surgy> got some errors
[04:27] <Naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: it has an nvidia 8400M G video card so I figure that is what t hey are talking about it is the 5520-5716
[04:27] <surgy> stdin: http://pastebin.ca/794474
[04:28] <stdin> surgy: did it make a configure tho?
[04:28] <surgy> stdin: yes sir!
[04:28] <stdin> then who cares! :p
[04:28] <stdin> run it and roll :)
[04:28] <surgy> stdin: this cares:
[04:28] <surgy> ./configure: line 1706: syntax error near unexpected token `pcsx2,0.9.4'
[04:28] <surgy> ./configure: line 1706: `AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE(pcsx2,0.9.4)'
[04:29] <stdin> hmmmmm
[04:29] <surgy> which is relevant to the above errors right?
[04:29] <Naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115411
[04:30] <stdin> surgy: it may be using a different version of autoconf
[04:30] <genii> I just built the thing while you were discussing it using exactly the info supplied at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=399165
[04:30] <stdin> go for the guide then :p ^
[04:30] <genii> Bah I'm getting cranky LOL
[04:30] <surgy> stdin: can you clarify this? "If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow."
[04:31] <DaSkreech> Naelrssinssrig: I guess grabbing a daily would be out of the picture for you
[04:31] <surgy> genii: lol you built pcsx2?
[04:31] <rdvon> I know this is a stupid question BUT
[04:31] <rdvon> how do i access the mini player in amarok?
[04:31] <genii> yes, just now
[04:31] <Naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: what do you mean?
[04:31] <genii> surgy:yes, just now
[04:31] <stdin> surgy: remember when I said "configure is easy (for the user)" ?
[04:31] <Naelrssinssrig> A daily release?
[04:32] <stdin> surgy: well autoconf (the thing that makes configure) is pure evil, in fact it's nickname is 'autohell'
[04:32] <surgy> genii: yeah i tried that post it doesnt work for me.....
[04:32] <genii> Weird. Maybe I have additional libs installed
[04:32] <surgy> stdin: lol im prolly a bit green to be doing battle with demons :)
[04:33] <apparle> DaSkreech: My installer crashed while cpying installation logs(97%) . Reinstall is required or not
[04:33] <surgy> if only i could get genii to send me his prebuilt source :) or whould that even work?
[04:33] <stdin> surgy: I've used linux for, well, ever. I don't get automake and I never will!
[04:33] <DaSkreech> hi apparle
[04:33] <se7en> !conky
[04:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about conky - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:33] <surgy> stdin: well it said something about making tokens legitimate?
[04:34] <apparle> DaSkreech: hi
[04:34] <weenus> #
[04:34] <Naelrssinssrig> conky is a system monitor
[04:34] <Naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: are you talking about a daily release do you think that might help?
[04:34] <stdin> surgy: to fix that you'd need to learn autotools, there are only about 10 people in the world that really understand autotools and I'm not one of them
[04:34] <weenus> excuse me I'm learning kopete as an irc client
[04:34] <DaSkreech> Naelrssinssrig: they have a new ubuntu CD built every day you could get the one for the latest hardy release and see if that works >_<
[04:35] <Naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: ouch... I guess it couldn't hurt to try..
[04:35] <apparle> daskreech: what do you say
[04:35] <surgy> stdin: oh :( well this blows, why whould a software dev make a package and add it to the repos then make a better version of it and not add the better one to the repos? or even make a deb for that matter.....
[04:35] <DaSkreech> apparle: does it boot?
[04:35] <weenus> so I'll sending up message that won'[t warant a response
[04:36] <genii> surgy: I have my system set up to compile with dynamic libs so it likely will do you no good anyhow if yer missing the lib thats on mine
[04:36] <DaSkreech> surgy: time?
[04:36] <stdin> surgy: did you read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=399165 ?
[04:37] <surgy> stdin: yeah and i tried it twice, i guess i can try it again, the other two atempts failed
[04:37] <surgy> DaSkreech: ?
[04:37] <apparle> daskreech: yes
[04:37] <surgy> DaSkreech: gotcha :)
[04:37] <DaSkreech> apparle: ok apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:38] <surgy> man i really want this program
[04:38] <genii> stdin: He said he tried it, yes. But then he has 0.9.4 code and not 0.9.3 which is what I just made (per the post)
[04:38] <apparle> DaSkreech: why should i do that??
[04:39] <DaSkreech> apparle: the install crashed but it boots?
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Naelrssinssrig: this is a production laptop?
[04:40] <weenus> /#join
[04:40] <apparle> DaSkreech:yes and I also have the desktop
[04:40] <surgy> genii: good point
[04:40] <surgy> genii: i guess sourceforge might have the older source?
[04:40] <genii> surgy: I imagine so
[04:41] <apparle> DaSkreech:yes and I also have the fully functional desktop desktop. installer crashed after installing grub while copying the installation logs(97%)
[04:41] <genii> I got it by the svn
[04:41] <surgy> ok ill check it out
[04:41] <DaSkreech> apparle: Oh .. Pfft
[04:41] <surgy> genii: can you verify the compile by running the program? if you have time of course?
[04:42] <genii> ok hangon
[04:42] <genii> bah. Crashes and burns :(
[04:42] <surgy> :(
[04:42]  * genii fumes
[04:42] <surgy> genii: error?
[04:42] <apparle> now does anybody know how to install PCTel HSP56 modem (I don't want  to change the kernel)
[04:42] <genii> core dump
[04:42] <se7en> does someone know a good type writing trainer
[04:43] <surgy> se7en: mmorpg
[04:43] <surgy> :)
[04:43] <apparle> se7en: I also want one
[04:43] <genii> surgy: No error. Immediate core dump
[04:44] <apparle> surgy: from where to get mmorpg
[04:44] <surgy> genii: any ideas?
[04:44] <genii> surgy: Not ofhand
[04:44] <surgy> apparle: was a joke mmorpg is a genre of games play them it will make you better at typing :)
[04:45] <apparle> does someone know a good type writing trainer
[04:45] <surgy> genii: where did you get your 9.3 source?
[04:46] <genii> from the svn command. So it may then be whatever was in there
[04:46] <apparle> how to install the PCTel modem
[04:46] <genii> (I need more coffee)
[04:46] <surgy> ok thnx
[04:47] <genii> apparle: the command:  apt-cache search typ|grep tutor       gives some install candidates for typing tutors
[04:47] <weenus> apparle: there is a Mavis Beacon like program for Ubuntu I will find it for you.
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> mavis bacon does work under wine. :)
[04:47] <sparr> how can i find the UUID of an ext3 partition?
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> !uuid
[04:47] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> or ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid (i think)
[04:48] <genii> sparr: sudo blkid /dev/whatever
[04:48] <DaSkreech> apparle: kde-edu has some good ones
[04:49] <weenus> apparle: I just tyuped typing tutor into synaptic and 8 programs came up. tuxtype, ktouch, junior typing
[04:50] <weenus> there is no end to open source bounty
[04:50] <DaSkreech> Ktouch
[04:50] <DaSkreech>  that was it :)
[04:50] <sparr> thanks
[04:51] <apparle> how to pen passworded rar files
[04:51] <cs__> arrrrrrghdth
[04:51] <cs__> ati fglrx GL is still stuck at mesa no matter what i try on that cchtml wiki >_<
[04:52] <cs__> 7.10.
[04:52] <DaSkreech> apparle: try unrar
[04:52] <wilson> cat /etc/fstab is basically the same thing isn't it ?
[04:52] <DaSkreech> NetersLandreau: ping
[04:52] <soberon> In order to edit a config file, What text editor is used?... kate do not works
[04:52] <apparle> daskreech: i have it
[04:52] <DaSkreech> wilson: as ?
[04:52] <cs__> fglrx is working, opengl is not
[04:53] <wilson> "blkid"
[04:53] <DaSkreech> !doesntwork | soberon
[04:53] <ubotu> soberon: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[04:53] <surgy> genii: how do i use the svn code?
[04:53] <weenus> soberon: It doesn't matter what editor you use, you have to have permissions to write to the file your editiing
[04:54] <genii> eg:    svn co https://pcsx2.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pcsx2 pcsx2
[04:54] <genii> fetches it
[04:54] <soberon> well... from console with # kate /etc/samba/smab.conf says some as cannot connect to xserver
[04:54] <surgy> in the address bar of a browser?
[04:55] <DaSkreech> soberon: ah you want a command line editor?
[04:55] <DaSkreech> soberon: try nano
[04:55] <genii> oh, I used bash instead of sh as in the instructions.
[04:55] <wilson> i would be lost without mc aka midnight commander
[04:55] <genii> surgy: No, at command line
[04:56] <surgy> gotcha thnx :)
[04:56] <soberon> Thanks... i come from Debian an used gedit
[04:56] <cs__> i like vi
[04:57] <soberon> Thanks again... I will try nano
[04:57] <apparle> any one who uses a PCTel modem
[04:57] <twylight> beep
[04:57] <cs__> no one knows how to fix my mesa gl software problem? :(
[04:58] <DaSkreech> cs__: what does mesa do?
[04:58] <cs__> daskreech - be really slow :P
[04:58] <apparle>  :(
[04:58] <cs__> i want to have hardware gl rendering on my x850 gt radeon in fglrx
[04:58] <surgy> genii: so its built now how do i install/run it?
[04:59] <DaSkreech> Which fglrx ?
[04:59] <cs__> the new 7.11 one
[04:59] <wilson> surgy: what are you compiling ?
[04:59] <surgy> pcsx2
[04:59] <cs__> i'm not touching the older 8.3x drivers from the repositories with a stick
[04:59] <cs__> they're poor at GLSL
[04:59] <apparle> modem :( :(
[04:59] <wilson> have you run configure yet ?
[04:59] <surgy> lol :)
[05:00] <DaSkreech> ..
[05:00] <DaSkreech> wouldn't 8 be better than 7 ?
[05:00] <surgy> there is no configure
[05:00] <cs__> DaSkreech: i'm referring to a different version number
[05:00] <DaSkreech> !winmodem | apparle
[05:00] <genii> surgy: just run the pcsx2   eg in same dir you just built it, or copy the file someplace accessible:   ./pcxs2
[05:00] <ubotu> apparle: You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[05:00] <wilson> i see, well there's make install   but who knows where it will put it
[05:00] <cs__> 7.11 is basically 8.433
[05:00] <wilson> usually in /usr/local
[05:01] <DaSkreech> How?
[05:01] <cs__> the 8.4x fglrx driver has massive speed improvement
[05:01] <surgy> genii: there is no executable
[05:01] <cs__> and aiglx
[05:01] <DaSkreech> Right i heard
[05:02] <genii> surgy: cd pcxs2; sudo bash install.sh all; ./pcsx2
[05:02] <genii> surgy: cd pcxs2; sudo bash build.sh all; ./pcsx2                     rather
[05:03] <surgy> genii: ../GS.h:41:21: error: GL/glew.h: No such file or directory
[05:04] <genii> bah
[05:04] <apparle> DaSkreech: i am unable to understand what the page says. would you explain it
[05:05] <flaccid> correct place to add a path to the user shell path?
[05:05] <DaSkreech> apparle: Wooooah :)
[05:05] <surgy> genii: any idea what dependancy is cuasing that one?
[05:05] <DaSkreech> !path
[05:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about path - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:05] <genii> surgy: I would recommend to diligently read the url I provided earlier. Install the packages which are specified there before doing the command provided above. Especially important to install the Nvidia CG toolkit as specified there.
[05:05] <flaccid> ah ~/.profile
[05:06] <DaSkreech> flaccid: ~/.bash_profile shoudl work
[05:06] <surgy> genii: yes sir and thank you sir for your patients and all of your help, i shale return informed and compiled :) thanks again!
[05:06] <flaccid> ~/.profile is where it is but it calls that anyway
[05:06] <apparle> DaSkreech:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[05:06] <DaSkreech> apparle: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/PcTel
[05:06] <DaSkreech> that's old thought
[05:06] <DaSkreech> though
[05:06] <DaSkreech> and very Gnome centric
[05:06] <DaSkreech> apparle: You have kppp ?
[05:07] <apparle> DaSkreech: yes
[05:07] <genii> stdin: Got some aspirin? ;)
[05:07] <stdin> genii: no, but plenty of paracetamol
[05:08] <genii> heh
[05:08] <DaSkreech> apparle: but you can't dial out?
[05:08] <genii> Well, bedtime for me.
[05:08] <apparle> DaSkreech: when i query the modem it says 'unable to open the modem'
[05:08] <DaSkreech> !find pctel
[05:08] <flaccid> hmm hopeful: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SimpleXModeSelection
[05:08] <twylight> pwnd
[05:08]  * DaSkreech hordes the !coffee
[05:09] <twylight> !coffee
[05:09] <ubotu> Package/file pctel does not exist in gutsy
[05:09] <ubotu> coffee is a caffeinated beverage made by filtering water through ground up roasted beans of the coffee plant. Flavouring to taste such as milk or cream, sugar or sweetener are often added afterwards. Not to be confused with !java
[05:09] <DaSkreech> !find linmodem
[05:10] <ubotu> Package/file linmodem does not exist in gutsy
[05:10] <DaSkreech> hmm
[05:10] <cs__> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide hrm
[05:10] <DaSkreech> apparle: can you type sudo modprobe linmodem for me ?
[05:11] <apparle> DaSkreech: i am online on windows
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Right. of course
[05:11] <DaSkreech> !linmodem
[05:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linmodem - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:12] <DaSkreech> !linmodems
[05:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linmodems - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:12] <DaSkreech> hmm
[05:13] <DaSkreech> apparle: Gutsy right?
[05:13] <apparle> DaSkreech: yes
[05:13] <weenus> How do I get the normal irc commands to work with this?
[05:14] <weenus> This kopete is giving me fits
[05:14] <DaSkreech> apparle: are you registered with Nickserv ?
[05:15] <DaSkreech> weenus: you irc in kopete ?
[05:15] <weenus> #nick wenus
[05:15] <apparle> DaSkreech: what is that
[05:15] <weenus> see that doesn't work
[05:15] <DaSkreech> It's /nick
[05:15] <DaSkreech> apparle: Never mind then :)
[05:15] <awag> hello all
[05:15] <wenus> testing
[05:15] <DaSkreech> wenus: Not that hard
[05:15] <DaSkreech> !hi | awag
[05:15] <ubotu> awag: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[05:16] <wenus> alright cool
[05:16] <apparle> DaSkreech: tell me how to register
[05:16] <DaSkreech> !register | apparle
[05:16] <ubotu> apparle: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[05:17] <wenus> Isn't there a simpler way that this: apparle: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[05:17] <awag> anyone ever have a problem, where about 5 hours after logging into kde, all of a sudden video playback stops working,. avi mpg wmv, in every player that i have installed stops displaying video correctly, only sound
[05:17] <awag> this only has happened since my upgrade to gutsy
[05:17] <Tm_T> awag: nvidia?
[05:18] <awag> yes, geforce 6 series, compiz fusion
[05:18] <Tm_T> awag: try this: ctrl+alt+F4 and ctrl+alt+F7
[05:19] <awag> Tm_T, first one brings me to tty4 after showing some weird artifacts on the screen
[05:19] <Tm_T> yes
[05:19] <Tm_T> and latter should bring you back
[05:19] <awag> correct
[05:20] <Tm_T> does video playback works now?
[05:20] <awag> Tm_T, yes ! :)
[05:20] <awag> lol
[05:20] <awag> wtf
[05:20] <Tm_T> nvidia driver issue
[05:20] <Tm_T> neext
[05:20] <awag> haha
[05:20] <awag> thanks man
[05:20] <Tm_T> np
[05:21] <awag> is it an issue regardless if i am using compiz or not?
[05:22] <Tm_T> well OpenGL does help to trigger it so kinda yes
[05:22] <Tm_T> but you can't fully avoid it
[05:22] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: want to fix a Linmodem? :)
[05:22] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: nope sorry :)
[05:22] <awag> lol
[05:22] <DaSkreech> Bugger :)
[05:22] <nano> hola
[05:23] <awag> hi
[05:23] <DaSkreech> vi
[05:23] <DaSkreech> I mean
[05:23] <DaSkreech> hi
[05:23] <nano> alguien sabe como instalar java en x86
[05:23] <Tm_T> !es | nano
[05:23] <ubotu> nano: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[05:23] <nano> gracias
[05:23] <cs__> ha ha, 'vi'
[05:24] <awag> is that the bot speaking spanish?
[05:24] <cs__> glad my tv card works great in 7.10 though
[05:24] <apparle> DaSkreech:when i become online again i will tell you the result of 'sudo modprobe linmodem'
[05:24] <apparle> bye everyone
[05:24] <cs__> i miss recording and 60fps though :(
[05:24] <DaSkreech> apparle: bye
[05:25] <cs__> kdetv doesn't seem featureful and mythtv expects me to have the entire kitchen sink
[05:26] <flaccid> try tvtime
[05:26] <awag> cs_, i've been thinking about getting a tv in card, what is the one that you have working in kubuntu?
[05:27] <cs__> Encore ENLTV-FM
[05:27] <cs__> it's not very good (it was $20 lol)
[05:27] <cs__> in previous kubuntu versions it crashed the kernel
[05:27] <awag> cs_, sweet
[05:27] <awag> hehe
[05:27] <angel> !es | nano  ----> what purpot?
[05:27] <cs__> the tv card lacks closed captioning support
[05:27] <cs__> and is mono sound only
[05:28] <awag> mono sound, that kinda sucks
[05:28] <cs__> yea :(
[05:28] <awag> i can do without closed captioning though
[05:28] <cs__> it's also windows dependent and has crappy software for windows
[05:28] <cs__> i'm hoping linux will suit this card better :P
[05:29] <DaSkreech> !en | angel
[05:29] <ubotu> angel: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[05:30] <angel> ok
[05:30]  * cs__ sudo apt-get install tvtime
[05:31] <angel> who is ubotu ?   an robot?     (question)
[05:32] <awag> he is a space robot
[05:32] <DaSkreech> !bot
[05:32] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:33] <awag> hey, another question, does anyone here ever get random full system freezes? like the kind that you can't kill X or switch to another tty
[05:33] <slaestat> Hi im new in kununtu
[05:33] <angel> ok thank of all
[05:33] <angel> kununtu ---> is new distro linux ???  sorry n_n
[05:34] <bazhang> not that new-several years old now
[05:34] <awag> kununtu is kubuntu for nuns
[05:35] <DaSkreech> awag: I do
[05:35] <DaSkreech> slaestat: Welcome
[05:35] <angel> thank you
[05:35] <slaestat> :o, sorry i thouht all you are using kubuntu because this is the default irc chat with it
[05:35] <slaestat> tnx
[05:36] <DaSkreech> angel: It's still kinda young but not young enough to think of it as young :)
[05:36] <awag> DaSkreech, was that in response to the system freezes?
[05:36] <slaestat> sorry for my write, i dont speak english very well
[05:36] <DaSkreech> Yes
[05:36] <slaestat> jeejje
[05:36] <DaSkreech> slaestat: Which language ?
[05:36] <slaestat> spanish
[05:36] <awag> DaSkreech, awesome, any idea what causes yours?
[05:36] <DaSkreech> !es | slaestat
[05:36] <ubotu> slaestat: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[05:36] <DaSkreech> awag: almost sure it's X drivers
[05:37] <slaestat> tnx, but im just want chat, jejeje i can use ubuntu/kubuntu
[05:37] <twylight> slae
[05:37] <DaSkreech> !offtopic | slaestat  :-)
[05:37] <slaestat> im not expert but, at least i can chat and use oficce
[05:37] <ubotu> slaestat  :-): #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:37] <slaestat> jejeje
[05:37] <twylight> !offtopic
[05:37] <DaSkreech> I win :)
[05:37] <Tm_T> meh
[05:37] <twylight> needless pissing contest
[05:37] <twylight> I need a smoke <.>
[05:38] <DaSkreech> awag: if I SSH in X is taking up over 90% CPU
[05:38] <Tm_T> twylight: what?
[05:38] <twylight> I said no contest is required for getting to the !offtopic command first
[05:38] <slaestat> ok i dont know how can i change chanel :P
[05:38] <twylight> and that I need to ingest some nice toxic nicotine
[05:39] <bazhang> slaestat: type /join #channelname
[05:39] <twylight> slaestat: /join #channelnamehere
[05:39] <twylight> oh wow
[05:39] <bazhang> heh
[05:39] <twylight> so close
[05:39] <awag> DaSkreech, I usually get it when I have about 50 firefox tabs open for too long, but today I got it randomly when I was just looking around in the compiz-fusion settings menu, firefox wasn't even running, weird
[05:39] <twylight> I'm not on the ball today
[05:39] <bazhang> twylight: get any sleep? :}
[05:39] <twylight> awag: I've found that many GL desktop apps mess with other apps that run
[05:40] <twylight> a minor amount
[05:40] <twylight> but my dad kicked me out
[05:40] <twylight> so I'm kinda in between living arrangements
[05:40] <DaSkreech> awag: well firefox sucks :)
[05:40] <twylight> BLASPHEMY
[05:40] <awag> hahaa
[05:40] <DaSkreech> awag: I think I'm getting close to what causes it but it's X
[05:41] <awag> DaSkreech, well i'm hoping that the next release fixes the memory usage issues
[05:41] <DaSkreech> It happens in Ubuntu as well but much less often
[05:41] <twylight> !firefox
[05:41] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[05:41] <twylight> !ssh
[05:41] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[05:41] <twylight> hmm
[05:41] <DaSkreech> awag: thats' a feature You can tweak it and tone it down
[05:41] <Tm_T> twylight: /msg ubotu
[05:41] <awag> DaSkreech, oh?
[05:42] <DaSkreech> twylight: Firefox sucks unfortunately the extensions kick large round butt
[05:42] <cs__> hrm tvtime didn't work
[05:42] <cs__> no yuv2 overlay support
[05:42] <cs__> maybe it's related to the mesagl problem
[05:42] <twylight> well this isn't #firefox-debate
[05:42] <awag> DaSkreech, my firefox seems to take up like 80% of my system memory if i open about 5 tabs and just let it sit there, it will slowly eat memory until it's at about 80% of my entire physical memory
[05:43] <awag> DaSkreech, what browser do you use?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> awag: firefox doesn't have memory leaks I'm aware of almost certainly your plugins
[05:43] <DaSkreech> Konqueror
[05:43] <DaSkreech> I have about 18 open with about 4 tabs each some with 9 tabs
[05:44] <twylight> if I start firefox at 8am
[05:44] <twylight> by 8pm
[05:44] <twylight> I have 120 tabs open
[05:44] <twylight> and my cpu is at 20%
[05:44] <hydrogen> opera is the greatest handler of tabs I've seen
[05:44] <hydrogen> opera++
[05:44] <hydrogen> and yes, firefox sucks
[05:44] <flaccid> opera 9.5 makes tabs damn fast
[05:44] <hydrogen> well, more appropriatly.. gecko sucks
[05:44] <awag> flaccid, lol
[05:44] <hydrogen> and firefox is just along for the ride
[05:44] <flaccid> its true
[05:44] <Tm_T> meh
[05:44] <awag> i like your name
[05:44] <awag> that was why i loled
[05:45]  * hydrogen hops on Tm_T, i'm along for the ride!
[05:45] <hydrogen> woah
[05:45] <twylight> Tm_T: did this place turn into a social channel while I was gone?
[05:45] <DaSkreech> hydrogen: you are light anyway :-P
[05:45] <Tm_T> no idea
[05:45] <awag> DaSkreech, I always resort to konq after my firefox starts to become sluggish
[05:46] <DaSkreech> twylight: Well unless you ahve a fix for awag I don't see any outstanding support requests
[05:46] <Tm_T> anyway, please keep offtopic in #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:46] <twylight> 'zactly
[05:46]  * DaSkreech keeps to his pillow
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Night all
[05:46] <twylight> nini
[05:46] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: nighty :)
[05:47] <awag> I wonder if there is something wrong with the forcastfox plugin that i have
[05:47] <DaSkreech> awag: that's an extension
[05:47] <DaSkreech> plugins are different
[05:47] <twylight> http://www.wellingtongrey.net/miscellanea/archive/2007-11-19-past-present-and-future-me.html
[05:50] <awag> also, in firefox, and sometimes though rarely in konquerer flash video has weird pauses, even though the video is loaded
[05:53] <rattts> i have 2 comps, both connected to a wireless router, one comp has shared folders, how can i access this comp or at least see it using ubuntu?
[05:53] <angel>  !bot
[05:53] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:53] <DaSkreech> awag: yeah I just blame flash for that
[05:54] <DaSkreech> awag: if it helps your anity any it doesit in windows as well
[05:54] <awag> DaSkreech, yeah I think I remember reading that it was a known issue or something
[05:54] <awag> DaSkreech, seems to work better the fewer firefox tabs I have open however
[05:57] <rdvon> Could someone please tell me that there exists a program for linux which converts mp4 files to 3g2 :'(
[05:58] <rdvon> Or say there isn't..
[05:58] <rdvon> Something.
[05:58] <DaSkreech> something
[05:58] <rdvon> :'(
[05:58] <rdvon> No program for linux then.
[05:58] <rdvon> Lame!
[05:58] <twylight> -6 C ;_;
[05:58] <twylight> this isn't going to be fun
[05:59] <rdvon> Super lame. :(
[05:59] <rdvon> I hate my phone!
[05:59] <rdvon> It needs to go die.
[05:59] <awag> what is 3g2?
[05:59] <DaSkreech> rdvon: http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&q=3g2&btnG=Search
[05:59] <DaSkreech> First and third links
[05:59] <DaSkreech> Ah you are joking
[05:59] <awag> he left
[05:59] <rdvon> :(
[05:59] <awag> oh there he is
[05:59] <rdvon> I'm back!
[05:59] <DaSkreech> http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&q=3g2&btnG=Search
[06:00] <rdvon> You have a program!!?!
[06:00] <rdvon> omg!
[06:00] <DaSkreech> rdvon: search engines are helpful :)
[06:00] <rdvon> I forgot about the linux one...
[06:00] <rdvon> vlc!
[06:00] <rdvon> of course!
[06:04] <twylight> AHH
[06:04] <awag> hmm, i want to make a recording of my cool compiz-fusion desktop, but xvidcap and recordmydesktop both seem too slow on my machine
[06:05] <twylight> you could always take a bunch of screenshots
[06:05] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: really going to bed now.
[06:05] <Chrisco> Who can suggest the easiest programming language to learn?   RUBY?  PERL?  PYTHON?  I programmed in basic back during the  80s, but am looking for something easy and fun to learn this weekend.   Anyone have thoughts?
[06:05] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: KDE4 is going to be amazing :)
[06:05] <DaSkreech> Chrisco: Binary. it only has two states!
[06:05] <rdvon> awag: I know of a great program.
[06:05] <awag> lol
[06:05] <twylight> Chrisco: RUBY is supposed to be a beauty to use
[06:06] <awag> rdvon, really?
[06:06] <rdvon> yes.
[06:06] <twylight> PERL is supposed to be very functional
[06:06] <rdvon> One sec, forgot the name
[06:06] <twylight> and PYTHON is supposed to be easy to use too
[06:06] <Chrisco> DaSkreech ------     0000000
[06:06] <DaSkreech> !info diveintopython
[06:06] <ubotu> diveintopython: free Python book for experienced programmers. In component main, is optional. Version 5.4-2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 340 kB, installed size 4220 kB
[06:06] <cs__> arg
[06:06] <DaSkreech> You can apt-get that ^^^
[06:06] <cs__> still stuck in mesa =\
[06:07] <rdvon> awag: istanbul is the name.
[06:07] <rdvon> it's in the synaptic package manager
[06:07] <awag> rdvon, ok sweet i'll check it out
[06:07] <angel> !es
[06:07] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[06:07] <awag> Chrisco, I like java personally
[06:07] <Chrisco> AWAG --- was java easy to learn?
[06:08] <JJtech> hi to all
[06:08] <angel> bye good night an all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:08] <JJtech> im back
[06:08] <angel> brr
[06:08] <rdvon> I'm learning python...
[06:08] <rdvon> slowly yet surely ;)
[06:08] <twylight> java is a mess no matter how you use it
[06:08] <JJtech> i switch back to kubuntu.. i found that it is much nicer than ubuntu..
[06:08] <awag> Chrisco, well I'm by no means a pro at it, still learning myself, but it is pretty straightforward
[06:08] <scrubb> Adept keeps crashing with a SIGABRT error.  Help!
[06:09] <awag> twylight, why do you say that?
[06:09] <awag> lol
[06:09] <rdvon> that's funny, cuz I switched back to ubuntu thinking it was nicer then kubuntu,.
[06:09] <JJtech> lol
[06:09] <JJtech> why said so?
[06:09] <JJtech> rdvon> ???
[06:09] <rdvon> :?
[06:10] <twylight> awag in my experience it's just very messy to deal with
[06:10] <twylight> classes everywhere
[06:10] <scrubb> Anybody?
[06:10] <JJtech> actuall right now im installing from a live CD of Kubuntu
[06:10] <rdvon> I like my default ubuntu :)
[06:10] <twylight> right on JJ
[06:10] <twylight> but you're talking to a 16 year old script kiddie so don't take my word as law
[06:10] <rdvon> with compiz fusion, and emerald
[06:11] <awag> twylight, well yes, but it all fits together nicely in the end, I like how everything is a Class
[06:11] <JJtech> anyways, how to install the nvidia graphics driver?
[06:11] <twylight> !drivers
[06:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drivers - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:11] <twylight> !nvidia
[06:11] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:11] <JJtech> i see
[06:11] <JJtech> thanks
[06:11] <awag> rdvon, your using gnome right?
[06:11] <twylight> gnome *hiss*
[06:11] <rdvon> awag: yup
[06:12] <JJtech> i like KDE
[06:12] <scrubb> Can someone please help me fix adept?
[06:12] <awag> rdvon, when using emerald and compiz, when you maximize a window, does the window title text get all big for a second before resetting to the correct size?
[06:12] <twylight> !adept
[06:12] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[06:12] <rdvon> awag: yeah, it does. Not all the time though.
[06:12] <twylight> scrubb: how'd you break it?
[06:13] <scrubb> Beats me.  I installed firefox and opera and then it started crashing.
[06:13] <awag> rdvon, ah, same here, i thought maybe it was a kde issue or something, that wouldn't really make sense though
[06:13] <awag> i stopped using emerald because that annoyed me :)
[06:13] <scrubb> I never know how I break things in linux.  They seem to break themselves.
[06:13] <JJtech> lol
[06:13] <awag> using the normal kde decorator
[06:14] <twylight> brb!
[06:14] <rdvon> noooooo
[06:14] <rdvon> I'm mad>=[
[06:15] <rdvon> vlc doesn't so 3g2 as a transcoding option!
[06:15] <rdvon> awwww...
[06:15] <scrubb> twylight, hang on a sec.
[06:15] <JJtech> she left already
[06:15] <rdvon> I found an insane website http://media-convert.com/
[06:16] <JJtech> what's with the website?
[06:17] <JJtech> what does sudo mean?
[06:17] <awag> super user do
[06:17] <JJtech> really?
[06:18] <awag> i think so
[06:18] <awag> yes
[06:18] <rdvon> xD
[06:18] <JJtech> when to use it?
[06:18] <rdvon> I knew the su was super user..
[06:18] <rdvon> But do makes me laugh :D
[06:18] <awag> you use it when you need to do something that requires root
[06:18] <JJtech> i think system user
[06:18] <awag> but you don't want to have to log in as root
[06:18] <awag> so it just does that one command that follows sudo as root
[06:19] <surgy> when i compile and make a source file and then install it what is the defualt installation path? i know the link to the executable is in /usr/local/bin but where are the data files?
[06:19] <scrubb2000> a nice feature, unless you're doing a lot of things that need root permissions...then you use 'su' instead
[06:19] <rdvon> or you type sudo -i and it makes everything run in root.
[06:19] <JJtech> i see
[06:19] <JJtech> what is su then?
[06:20] <surgy> su signs you on as root
[06:20] <surgy> try "sudo su" in your terminal
[06:20] <scrubb2000> but only in the current terminal, no?
[06:20] <rdvon> sudo -i
[06:20] <rdvon> *or
[06:20] <JJtech> b d way, what command to type installing flash player?
[06:20] <surgy> well if your working out of a terminal
[06:20] <surgy> else it signs you on as root in that session
[06:21] <surgy> can anyone answer my question?
[06:21] <scrubb2000> Interesting.
[06:21] <surgy> !flash || JJtech
[06:21] <ubotu> | JJtech: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[06:21] <JJtech> thanks <surgy>
[06:21] <surgy> np
[06:22] <surgy> no one knows the answer to my question?
[06:22] <JJtech> im at 93% in my Kubuntu installation..
[06:22] <awag> rdvon, i think my computer sucks too much to record my desktop while running compiz :)
[06:23] <rdvon> omg i'm at 93% on transcoding
[06:23] <rdvon> awag: sucks :(
[06:23] <JJtech> lol
[06:23] <rdvon> you tried istanbul?
[06:23] <rdvon> using vlc or anything like that makes any pc lag.
[06:23] <awag> rdvon, yes, it runs smooth during recording, but when i watch it, it always seems to skip huge periods of time and has a low fps in general
[06:23] <scrubb2000> Could someone please help me figure out why adept keeps crashing?
[06:24] <surgy> becuase its adept
[06:24] <surgy> it sucks
[06:24] <scrubb2000> heh
[06:24] <surgy> use the terminal
[06:24] <awag> haha, i was gonna say the same thing
[06:24] <surgy> use apt-get instead of adept
[06:24] <JJtech> what's the diffirence?
[06:24] <surgy> "sudo apt-get install flash-nonfree" or whatever package
[06:24] <scrubb2000> What if I like GUIs more than terminal commands?
[06:24] <awag> install synaptic
[06:24] <surgy> one sucks the other doesnt
[06:25] <surgy> scrubb2000: use windoze then
[06:25] <awag> what does adept tell you when it crashes? anything?
[06:25] <scrubb2000> Are you one of those "
[06:25] <scrubb2000> ack
[06:25] <surgy> lol no
[06:25] <scrubb2000> awag, hold on
[06:25] <surgy> im just frustrated becuase i cant find this directory please excuse my meaness
[06:25] <JJtech> it's done installing...completed.. ^_^  i have to restart guys.. BRB
[06:26] <scrubb2000> awag, it says "Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other adept application or apt-get or aptitude)  Would you like to attempt to resolve the problem?"
[06:26] <scrubb2000> Clicking yes makes it think for a bit.
[06:26] <awag> scrubb2000, hang on, i think i might know how to fix this
[06:26] <awag> scrubb2000, i had this problem a few weeks ago
[06:26] <surgy> scrubb2000: try logging out and logging back
[06:26] <surgy> should fix it
[06:27] <scrubb2000> then the KDE crash handler says adept_installer crashed with SIGABRT
[06:27] <surgy> either that or try "sudo killall adept"
[06:27] <twylight> or sudo rm rf /
[06:27] <twylight> :P
[06:27] <surgy> :)
[06:27] <rdvon> I think the wine abbreviation should be changed to WINdowsEmulator
[06:27] <twylight> that'll make all your problems go away
[06:27] <surgy> twylight: can you help me pleasE?
[06:27] <flaccid> its not an emulator
[06:28] <flaccid> its a subsystem
[06:28] <rdvon> well... the other abbreviation is stupid :P
[06:28] <twylight> what's your issue surgy?
[06:28] <scrubb2000> lemme try the logout thing.  brb
[06:29] <flaccid> "MS Windows Subsystem" or similar is appropriate
[06:29] <surgy> or flaccid? i know one of you guys knows the answer: i just compiled an emulator and it needs plugins and a bios image both of which i have i just cant find the data directory where the emulator was installed after "make install" was ran during compilation, can you point me in the right direction?
[06:29] <flaccid> right direction of what
[06:29] <twylight> probably in somewhere under /
[06:29] <flaccid> i dont even know what you are doing
[06:29] <surgy> where the data directory is
[06:29] <awag> scrubb2000, working?
[06:29] <scrubb2000> Nope.  Same thing.
[06:29] <flaccid> read the make file
[06:30] <awag> scrubb2000, try this sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[06:30] <flaccid> or the README or INSTALL file should advise
[06:30] <awag> scrubb2000, if that doesn't fix it, do this sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:30] <surgy> flaccid: ok it has the executable and a plugins directory and a bios directory, etc etc, and i looked in /usr/local/bin and all that is there is the executable non of the sub directories
[06:30] <scrubb2000> rm /var/... didn't work...
[06:31] <awag> surgy, when i install something from source, it somethings ends up in my home dir, but i'm a nub, so i don't really pay attention, but sometimes it's in a hidden folder in my home
[06:31] <flaccid> surgy: iirc the make file will show all the install paths
[06:31] <surgy> there was no readme and i had to, sh build.sh all, in order to make a configure script to make a "make" file........ been at it for hours
[06:31] <awag> scrubb2000, did you try this sudo dpkg --configure -a ?
[06:31] <scrubb2000> awag, yeah.  It's given me some options.
[06:32] <flaccid> surgy: there is no actual standard way to package source trees for compilation, so its really up to the vendor's doco..
[06:32] <awag> scrubb2000, what kind of options?
[06:32] <surgy> flaccid: :( that sucks
[06:32] <scrubb2000> install package maintainer's version, keep my version, show differences, background the process to examine the situation
[06:32] <surgy> is there a search feature where i can search for every file with a certain keyword?
[06:32] <flaccid> surgy: its actually good. check the Makefile
[06:32] <awag> scrubb2000, what is the default? keep your version?
[06:32] <scrubb2000> yeah
[06:32] <awag> scrubb2000, just do that for everything
[06:32] <flaccid> surgy: grep "keyword" /file/location
[06:32] <scrubb2000> k
[06:33] <scrubb2000> awag, that did the trick.
[06:33] <awag> scrubb2000, adept is working?
[06:33] <scrubb2000> yup
[06:33] <awag> cool
[06:33] <scrubb2000> I noticed it set up opera while it was at it...
[06:33] <surgy> flaccid:
[06:33] <surgy> surgy@derek:~/pcsx2/pcsx2$ iirc Makefile.am
[06:33] <surgy> bash: iirc: command not found
[06:34] <scrubb2000> Must have been opera that buggered it the first time.
[06:34] <scrubb2000> Weird.
[06:34] <awag> scrubb2000, yeah, did it crash the first time like in the middle of an install of something?
[06:34] <scrubb2000> awag,indeed it did.
[06:34] <awag> scrubb2000, when that happens i think you have to fix the install by doing sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:34] <jhoc2x2> im back
[06:34] <scrubb2000> awag, what's that doing, exactly?
[06:34] <surgy> !iirc
[06:34] <ubotu> IIRC means "if I remember correctly"
[06:34] <jhoc2x2> ha! officially kubuntu user
[06:34] <scrubb2000> I'm still new to the inner workings of linux
[06:35] <awag> scrubb2000, i'm not entirely sure, i think it goes through and looks at packages that aren't configured or installed correctly and fixes them
[06:35] <awag> scrubb2000, me too, hehe
[06:35] <Ayabara> running compiz-fusion on kubuntu should be quite easy in most cases, right? I have it working in Gnome, but not when I switch to KDE
[06:35] <Ayabara> and compiz-kde is installed
[06:35] <jhoc2x2> how to get compiz-fusion <ayabara> ???
[06:37] <Ayabara> jhoc2x2: on Ubuntu it should be installed by default, on Kubuntu I don't know
[06:37] <Ayabara> !desktop-effects
[06:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about desktop-effects - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:37] <Ayabara> !compiz
[06:37] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[06:37] <awag> scrubb2000, you should also check out synaptic, just search for it in adept, it is the default package manager in normal ubuntu
[06:37] <awag> scrubb2000, alot of people seem to like it better
[06:38] <scrubb2000> k.  Is it less prone to weirdness?
[06:39] <awag> scrubb2000, yeah, in fact i just opened it up to check it out for the hell of it, and searched for a program that adept didn't find for me, and synaptic found it
[06:40] <Naelr2> still need laptop help... anyone out there have kubuntu installed on an aspire 5520
[06:40] <scrubb2000> ok.
[06:42] <scrubb2000> awag, how can I set one or the other to be the default package manager?
[06:42] <surgy> i just dont know where to look for help on this thing
[06:42] <surgy> 4 hours now
[06:43] <Naelr2> what kinda help you need surgy
[06:43] <surgy> made some long strides but now im stuck on something that should be easy
[06:43] <scrubb2000> surgy, that describes almost all of my experiences with linux so far. =P
[06:43] <Naelr2> hahaha
[06:44] <Naelr2> scrubb2000: what do you mean default packagte manager
[06:44] <Naelr2> sorry package
[06:44] <awag> scrubb2000, well, i'm not sure you need to set either one to default, i just put the one i like in my quicklaunch bar
[06:44] <awag> and click on it, and use it
[06:44] <surgy> Naelr2: i just compiled pcsx2 and got it running now it needs bios and plugins i have the bios and the plugins i just need to know where the directory of pcsx2 is i used "sh build.sh" and "./configur" and "make installe" to build and install the program, there is no readme or any decent documentation on what i need help with
[06:45] <scrubb2000> It may not be a non-issue now...
[06:45] <awag> when i said it is the default package manager in normal ubuntu i just meant it comes installed with synaptic from the start
[06:45] <scrubb2000> Opera wanted to install flash, and seemed to run adept, which then crashed.
[06:45] <awag> oh
[06:45] <awag> hmmm
[06:45] <scrubb2000> But flash seems to be working now.  Maybe Opera just wasn't configured right.
[06:45] <surgy> scrubb2000: you need to get confortable with terminal commands and then trash a few installs
[06:45] <scrubb2000> lol
[06:45] <scrubb2000> Already done that.
[06:46] <awag> hehe
[06:46] <awag> yeah apt-get is more fun anyway
[06:46] <scrubb2000> I'm not afraid to use command lines, I just don't like doing it ALL the time, ya know?
[06:46] <surgy> then you should be installing from the command line its faste more stable and easier to use and troubleshoot
[06:46] <Naelr2> surgy: oh wow.. I never played with emulators ... have you googled it yet?
[06:46] <scrubb2000> and probably takes 10x longer.
[06:46]  * Naelr2 loves the command line
[06:46] <jhoc2x2> do u have any idea why they did not use GUI installs?
[06:46] <surgy> Naelr2: for 40 mins now ive been working on it for hours
[06:47] <surgy> scrubb2000: you can do anything on the command line 10x faster than with a gui
[06:47] <Naelr2> surgy: doh... sorry man.. I have been using linux for 10 years and never played with emulators like those...
[06:47] <jhoc2x2> how so?
[06:48] <Naelr2> I am looking for help with a new laptop I just bought ... damn thing installs but will not boot
[06:48] <scrubb2000> surgy, if you know the commands to use...
[06:48] <surgy> Naelr2: well i just need to know where the file hierarchy for the installed application is so i can find out where the compiled plugins went
[06:48] <scrubb2000> Takes bloody forever if you don't.
[06:48] <surgy> scrubb2000: nah
 try tweaking BIOS setting
[06:48] <surgy> scrubb2000: just use ! before a word here in irc, and ubotu will help like "!ati" she will teach you how to install ati
[06:49] <Naelr2> surgy: do (from the command line) sudo updatedb
[06:49] <awag> surgy, is there a way to  search for packages with apt-get ?
[06:49] <surgy> Naelr2: what does that do?
[06:49] <Naelr2> awag: it is called synaptic
[06:49] <scrubb2000> Not everyone wants to spend hours reading man pages or forums.  I usually just want to boot up and go.
[06:49] <surgy> awag: yeah "sudo apt-cache search packagename"
[06:49] <jhoc2x2> !nividia
[06:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nividia - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:49] <Naelr2> surgy: there is a database of all files on the system... updatedb updates taht database
[06:49] <wilson> when you use configure you might as well use ./configure --prefix=/usr
[06:49] <Naelr2> then you do a locate filename and it will tell you where it is
[06:50] <awag> Naelr2, do you mean i should just use synaptic?
[06:50] <surgy> updateing db now
[06:50] <Naelr2> awag: synaptic has a search feature
[06:50] <surgy> !nv
[06:50] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:50] <wilson> it's probably been installed to /usr/local/bin
[06:50] <wilson> that's not in the path by default
[06:50] <surgy> wilson: yeah i see the link to the executable there but not the datafiles
[06:51] <awag> Naelr2, yeah i know, i was just wondering if i could do it from the command line
[06:51] <Naelr2> surgy: also alot of programs will have hiden directories in your home directory that you keep all your addons too it ...
[06:51] <wilson> i dunno, datafiles maybe in /usr/local/share  or something
[06:51] <jhoc2x2> guys, adept batch is running in my pc, but i need to restart, shud i wait adept to finish??
[06:51] <surgy> awag: try what i told you, sudo apt-cache search packagename from the command line
[06:51] <Naelr2> awag: I have never used one if it exists
[06:51] <awag> surgy, oh yeah thanks i got that
[06:52] <surgy> Naelr2: i looked in hidden files in all the obvious directories, and my db is updated now what?
[06:52] <awag> Naelr2, i was simply bringing it up because people were talking about how they could do everything faster from the cmd line
[06:52] <surgy> awag: thats how you search for packages from the command line
[06:52] <Naelr2> awag: what is the command to start the program
[06:52] <Ayabara> compiz-fusion is working for me in kubuntu now, but I only see one desktop in the desktop switcher in my panel. anyone?
[06:52] <awag> and i was thinking that searching for a package is easier through synaptic and the like
[06:52] <Naelr2> awag: I agree
[06:53] <surgy> easier if your migrating from windows in my opinion but after you start getting into linux cmd will be better
[06:53] <Naelr2> surgy: after you update your database use command locate <filename> to find files
[06:53] <awag> surgy, that command works nicely
[06:54] <awag> now the only thing on my system that remains a problem is strigi
[06:54] <Naelr2> Ayabara: use the desktop settings manager
[06:55] <surgy> strigi?
[06:55] <awag> the search program from feisty worked great for me, but strigi never seems to find anything lol, and yes i have my home folder and some other folders indexed
[06:55] <Ayabara> Naelr2: thanks, but that wasn't it. removing and readding the applet did the trick..
[06:55] <surgy> use "locate filename"
[06:55] <surgy> which im having no luck with
[06:55] <Naelr2> surgy: you can use strigi as well I guess.   I keep forgetting about that I use command line locate
[06:56] <surgy> yeah im not finding it with locate
[06:56] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> finally a channel with real live people! hey i need someone to go to ubuntu and give the site moderator this link http://madderhatters.blogspot.com/?
[06:56] <surgy> seams what im looking for doesnt exsist or im doing something wrong
[06:56] <Naelr2> have you run the emulator yet
[06:56] <surgy> yes
[06:56] <Naelr2> hmmm what is the name of it and where did you get it
[06:57] <Naelr2> surgy: I will try to install it
[06:57] <surgy> it needs to be configured and asks for the bios file directory and the plugins directory, bios is no problem but the plugins were compiled with the emulator and are with its data files so i cant find them
[06:57] <surgy> pcsx2
[06:57] <awag> surgy, another useful command you've made me aware of tonight
[06:57] <surgy> www.pcsx2.net
[06:57] <awag> hehe
[06:57] <surgy> awag: whats that?
[06:57] <awag> surgy, locate :)
[06:58] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> would somebody join into ubuntu and give the moderator this link as i cannot get on the channel please http://madderhatters.blogspot.com/?
[06:59] <wilson> what's the point A2t3can0v3r10rd
[06:59] <surgy> awag: well while Naelr2 is trying to install pcsx2 ill teach you more
[06:59] <surgy> awag: what else do you need to do from cmd?
[06:59] <neilesh> can a newbie ask a question
[06:59] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> i would like to call the moderator's attention to what is written about them
[06:59] <surgy> !ask | neilesh
[06:59] <ubotu> neilesh: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:59] <Naelr2> I posted it
[07:00] <awag> surgy, well, right now i don't really have anything that comes to mind :)
[07:00] <Naelr2> A2t3can0v3r10rd: I posted it
[07:00] <wilson> "without going into specifics"
[07:00] <neilesh> i am having probs with adept.. it refuses to dl the updates..but mah net works just fine
[07:00] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> thank you very much naelr2
[07:00] <Naelr2> not sure if he reads it but I sent it
[07:01] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> i had some bogus moderator cut me for life for nothing
[07:01] <awag> man, some of the window animations in compiz are so cool, i just kinda sit there playing with them sometimes
[07:01] <Naelr2> who is the moderator do you know
[07:01] <Naelr2> or who is the moderator y9ou want to read this
[07:01] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> im not sure it was so long ago
[07:01] <jhoc2x2> awag> will you teach me to configure compiz?
[07:01] <Naelr2> ok I posted it to the irc for ya
[07:02] <surgy> awag: you getting your pms?
[07:02] <Naelr2> surgy: exactly waht did you download
[07:02] <Naelr2> I see .exe
[07:02] <wilson> you might want to mention it's A2t3can0v3r10rd asking, or he won't even know who he's supposed to unban
[07:02] <surgy> the source package
[07:02] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> i only ever used irc for ubuntu support i hate chatting half the chat is peverted
[07:02] <Naelr2> I see .exe's on that page
[07:02] <Naelr2> ok
[07:02] <twylight> !offtoipic ]
[07:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about offtoipic ] - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:03] <rohan> how do i change locales in kubuntu ? in ubuntu there is some Language tool gui
[07:03] <rohan> what do i do in kubuntu ?
[07:03] <rohan> ubotu: locale
[07:03] <ubotu> To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[07:03] <surgy> !kubuntu | rohan
[07:03] <ubotu> rohan: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[07:03] <rohan> surgy: err.. so ?
[07:03] <rohan> what was the reason of giving me that factoid, surgy ?
[07:04] <surgy> rohan: check out http://kubuntu.org
[07:04] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> yea i dont really care at this point im just disappointed that people act the way they do on ubuntu it's pretty uptight sometimes
[07:04] <jhoc2x2> !KDE
[07:04] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[07:04] <surgy> rohan: your qoute "<rohan> what do i do in kubuntu ?"
[07:04] <rohan> surgy: are you actually trying to help or just playing the fool ?
[07:05] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> god forbid you go off topic or throw down more then 4 lines of text
[07:05] <scrubb2000> Hmm...how do I make compiz focus and bring windows to the top when I click anywhere on them?
[07:06] <awag> scrubb2000, as opposed to focus following the mouse?
[07:06] <scrubb2000> yeah
[07:06] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> i actually wrote a complaint to shuttleworth's secretary! lol
[07:06] <wilson> scrubb2000: it's in the general options but for some reason it always unticked itself automatically for me so i stopped using compiz
[07:06] <surgy> Naelr2: any luck?
[07:06] <scrubb2000> Pardon my M$ accent, but I'd like it to emulate the way windows brings focus.
[07:07] <scrubb2000> Is it the "raise on click" option?
[07:07] <awag> scrubb2000, ie, you click and it brings it to the top, yes i agree that is what i like, it is in the general options
[07:07] <awag> yes
[07:07] <Naelr2> surgy: wow... it has been a long time since I compiled from source.. and I have been drinking .. refresh my memory please ... it is unziped... dont' I gotta automake something
[07:07] <scrubb2000> why does it automatically untick?
[07:07] <surgy> scrubb2000: you said you like gui right? check out systems settings in your kmenu and toy around there
[07:07] <wilson> scrubb2000:  that sounds like it
[07:07] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> thanks people!
[07:07] <A2t3can0v3r10rd> adios
[07:07] <surgy> Naelr2: thats like a 15 page post on the forums on how to compile that
[07:07] <awag> scrubb2000, oh wait, there is also a "click to focus" one that needs to be checkted too
[07:07] <neilesh> i am having probs with adept.. it refuses to dl the updates..but mah net works just fine..no firefox :(
[07:08] <Naelr2> surgy: u have the link?
[07:08] <scrubb2000> got it clicked already...
[07:08] <awag> scrubb2000, both of those are clicked?
[07:08] <surgy> Naelr2: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=399165&highlight=pcsx2 have fun
[07:09] <jhoc2x2> GTG... bye all
[07:09] <scrubb2000> well, they would be if the raise on click didn't keep unchecking itself.
[07:09] <awag> scrubb2000, go to system settings and make sure under window behaviour that too is set to click to focus
[07:09] <wilson> scrubb2000: i had the exact same problem heh
[07:10] <scrubb2000> awag, it is.
[07:10] <awag> hmmmm
[07:10] <awag> scrubb2000, not sure what is wrong then..
[07:10] <awag> weird
[07:10] <scrubb2000> wilson, did you fix it?
[07:11] <Naelr2> surgy: did you get svn code or just what wason the website?
[07:11] <surgy> the 9.4 source is what i used other than that it was all the same as on that link, although that just sets you up for the ./configure make bs
[07:14] <wilson> scrubb2000: i'm trying again now
[07:14] <Naelr2> surgy: I got an error on the build
[07:14] <wilson> there's some things mentioned here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-503145.html   but i'm not holding my breath
[07:16] <surgy> Naelr2: what error?
[07:16] <Naelr2> In file included from Conf.cpp:25:
[07:16] <Naelr2> ../GS.h:41:21: error: GL/glew.h: No such file or directory
[07:17] <Naelr2> make[1]: *** [libZeroGSLinux_a-Conf.o] Error 1
[07:17] <Naelr2> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/naelr/work/pcsx2/plugins/gs/zerogs/opengl/Linux'
[07:17] <Naelr2> make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
[07:17] <Naelr2> Error with building plugins
[07:17] <Naelr2> naelr@beast:~/work/pcsx2$
[07:17] <surgy> you need another package
[07:18] <Naelr2> wtf I installed all from their recomendations
[07:18] <Naelr2> what am I missing
[07:19] <ForgeAus> sometimes you need to find out all of what you have to answer that one :(
[07:19] <surgy> lol theres another in there somewhere im looking for it, it wasnt on the main list :(
[07:20] <awag> does pcsx2 actually work that well?
[07:20] <Naelr2> I never used an emulator
[07:20] <wilson> hmm that seemed to fix it for me scrubb2000
[07:21] <wilson> i went to system settings > window behaviour
[07:21] <wilson> unticked 'click raise active window'
[07:21] <wilson> apply > then ticked it again   and it works as you'd expect
[07:21] <ForgeAus> PCSX2? I know PS1 emulation works ok but PS2? I'm not so sure about
[07:22] <ForgeAus> I do have the emulator I just don't have any games to try it on lol
[07:22] <ForgeAus> I think PS2 is meant to be backwards compatible anyway...
[07:22] <scrubb2000> wilson, yeah, same here.
[07:22] <scrubb2000> Must be a session thing.
[07:22] <wilson> woo yeh ! we done it haha
[07:23] <scrubb2000> These rubbery windows are too cool.  I'm probably going to set compiz to autorun.
[07:23] <surgy> ForgeAus: hey man long time no see
[07:23] <wilson> might have to do it everytime though
[07:23] <ForgeAus> hey surgy :) yeah I havn't been around here much lately
[07:23] <surgy> ive been trying to get pcxs2 working for over 5 hours now
[07:23] <ForgeAus> been busy elswhere
[07:23] <Naelr2> hahah gosh I came in looking for help with my problem... how did I get distracted
[07:23] <ForgeAus> I take it you compiled it
[07:23] <scrubb2000> Since  can't play any HL2-based games on this, I need something to give my video card a workout while I"m using Linux. =)
[07:24] <scrubb2000> Now, what is the "super" button??
[07:24] <Naelr2> the windows key
[07:24] <scrubb2000> ah ha
[07:24] <Naelr2> they can't call it the windows key in linux now can they
[07:24] <ForgeAus> of course they can...
[07:24] <ForgeAus> linux can still have windows
[07:24] <wilson> i really really like the negativity + transparency combo , i can take like this irc window, negatize it and make it a little transparent, pretty cool
[07:24] <surgy> ForgeAus: yes sir but now i cant get the pluggins installed or the bios installed, i have both, i think but i cant find out where to put them and when i tell the emulator where they are it says it cant read from that dir
[07:24] <ForgeAus> its a general term...
[07:25] <ForgeAus> surgy, sounds odd
[07:25] <jhoc2x2> what command to get flash??
[07:25] <surgy> Naelr2: i cant find that dep now
[07:25] <jhoc2x2> !flash
[07:25] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[07:25] <surgy> ForgeAus: yeah i know
[07:25] <ForgeAus> maybe the bios you have is not the one its looking for?
[07:25] <Naelr2> the ubuntu keyboard http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19478366-The-Ubuntu-keyboard
[07:25] <ForgeAus> TOSEC has ps* bioses
[07:25] <Naelr2> they can't call it a windows key on that one
[07:25] <surgy> ForgeAus: i have over 100 different images........
[07:26] <ForgeAus> I dind't know there were THAT many of them
[07:26] <ForgeAus> I thought there were only about 6 different ones...
[07:26] <surgy> oh yeah rangeing from sph1000 all the way to scph44000
[07:26] <ForgeAus> mostly SCPH#####.rom
[07:27] <surgy> ForgeAus: you havnt tried pcsx2 yet?
[07:27] <ForgeAus> I've installed it but not tried running it
[07:27] <surgy> try it real fast
[07:27] <surgy> if you dont mind
[07:27] <ForgeAus> havn't got a ps2 iso or CD to try it with yet..
[07:28] <surgy> run the bios?
[07:28] <ForgeAus> hmm I'm in XP right now.. brb... I wonder if its the same
[07:28] <surgy> :)
[07:28] <ForgeAus> (there is PCSX2 for Windows as well)
[07:28] <surgy> yeah id rather bury myself alive
[07:28] <Naelr2> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19478366-The-Ubuntu-keyboard
[07:28] <wilson> they really need to do something about adept
[07:29] <ForgeAus> ahh give me a list of your directories
[07:29] <ForgeAus> or at least the subones of /pcsx2
[07:29] <surgy> umm
[07:29] <surgy> comand?
[07:29] <ForgeAus> in the bios dir I have 5 files
[07:29] <ForgeAus> scph39004.bin
[07:29] <ForgeAus> scph50003.bin
[07:30] <surgy> pcsx2/bin/branches/pcsx2/plugins
[07:30] <ForgeAus> sony playstation 2 bios (e)(v1.6)(200-10-04)[scph30004].bin
[07:30] <ForgeAus> so look slike they're all .bin not .rom files
[07:31] <surgy> i have three different versions of that bios
[07:31] <surgy> v4 v5 and version 6
[07:31] <surgy> i tell pcsx2 too look in that dir for that bios and it doesnt show up in the drop down bios area
[07:32] <ForgeAus> wait... the .bin bios files should reside /bin/branches/pcsx2/bios
[07:33] <ForgeAus> in windows all the plugins are in <rest of the path>/pcsx2/plugins but they're all .dll's in *nix I don't know if it works the same way
[07:33] <ForgeAus> thats probably where the files are but if they're .dll's???
[07:33] <surgy> yeah it sounds like my file structure is a lot different
[07:34] <ForgeAus> when you run it it should give you a configuration dialog where you choose the plugins
[07:34] <ForgeAus> they should come with the emulator...
[07:34] <ForgeAus> if not pcsx ones should work...
[07:35] <surgy> they did
[07:35] <surgy> but they either didnt build with the rest of the emu or the were built and now i cant find them
[07:36] <ForgeAus> do you have pcsx? or (I think epsxe and fpse are same basic emulator - just not sure which ones had *nix equivs)
[07:36] <surgy> i have epsxe pSX and pcsx2
[07:37] <nalioth> how do you remove widgets from your desktop in kde4 ?
[07:37] <ForgeAus> ok from epsxe, I think the plugins are probably the same ones as you can use in pcsx2
[07:38] <ForgeAus> dunno much about pSX havn't heard of that emulator...
[07:38] <Naelr2> awe man this is making me crazy... can anyone help me make this laptop boot
[07:38] <surgy> it doesnt take plugins its totally emulated with software drivers no hardware acceleration
[07:39] <ForgeAus> epsxe I'm sure has plugins
[07:39] <twylight> night all
[07:39] <surgy> yeah
[07:39] <surgy> just tried
[07:39] <surgy> they dont show up on the drop down lists for pcxs2
[07:39] <ForgeAus> dev 9, usb and firewire could be a problem tho
[07:39] <evil-rhino> does kubuntu gutsy use utf-8 for filesystem encoding by default?
[07:40] <ForgeAus> (not sure if they apply to epsxe)
[07:40] <surgy> ForgeAus: may i pm you to keep spam down? i feal bad being off topic here
[07:40] <ForgeAus> sure
[07:41] <surgy> pmed
[07:43] <surgy> ?
[07:43] <scrubb2000> Thanks for the help, everyone.  Happy thanksgiving.
[07:43] <naelr> guess this laptop is gonna remain windows only
[07:49] <awag> good night all
[07:51] <Tm_T> naelr-asleep: noooo
[07:51] <naelr-asleep> hahaha
[07:51] <Tm_T> naelr-asleep: no awaynicks thanks
[07:54] <surgy> hi
[07:54] <surgy> anyone there?
[07:54] <ForgeAus> zzzzZZZZzzzzz
[07:54] <bazhang> wha?
[08:04] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: ping
[08:14] <araizen> hey all
[08:14] <araizen> i just installed gutsy, but now wine freeze up my whole system every time i run it
[08:14] <araizen> i also updated wine from the repo at the winehq site
[08:14] <araizen> same prob
[08:14] <araizen> has anyone else had this problem?
[08:15] <neville> I get that problem when I run games in it, but it's a problem with my motherboard
[08:15] <araizen> it's not just games
[08:15] <araizen> it's even when i do 'configure wine'
[08:15] <araizen> and it worked great in feisty, so i don't think it's my motherboard
[08:16] <neville> Try purging it, and then freshly installing it, or compiling it from source?
[08:16] <araizen> how do i purge it?
[08:16] <araizen> uninstall it?
[08:17] <neville> Open Adept
[08:18] <neville> Right click Wine, request purging
[08:18] <neville> Then apply changes
[08:20] <araizen> thanks
[08:20] <araizen> just curious, how do you purge via the command line
[08:21] <araizen> could i do 'sudo apt-get purge wine'?
[08:21] <neville> I'm not entirely sure, to be honest, I'm a noob =)
[08:21] <neville> Check apt help though?
[08:21] <araizen> ah okay thanks
[08:22] <neville> sudo apt-get purge package_name
[08:22] <SatManUK> i have downloaded additional levels for pingus - when i try to run them im getting an error zenity not found - when i try to install zenity - its saying i already have the latest version, any suggestions?
[08:23] <stdin> araizen: that's "sudo apt-get --purge remove wine"
[08:23] <araizen> stdin: thanks
[08:23] <neville> yes
[08:23] <neville> Thanks for clearing that ^^;
[08:24] <timri> stdin: note: purge is now a valid command with apt-get and aptitude
[08:25] <stdin> timri: is with aptitude, with apt it's a patch
[08:25] <neville> =/
[08:26] <timri> stdin: According to the man page sudo apt-get purge package_name is valid syntax (on Gutsy)
[08:26] <stdin> timri: yep, it was added via a patch
[08:26] <timri> Btw: why not use aptitude instead of apt-get (so you don't have to autoclean)?
[08:27] <stdin> maybe they want to reinstall it after? who knows. apt works fine (I do use aptitude tho)
[08:28] <timri> stdin: Erm, I meant autoremove *blush*
[08:28] <araizen_> well, that wasn't it
[08:28] <stdin> timri: I know you did ;)
[08:28] <timri> :P
[08:31] <timri> SatManUK: If you're referring to the levels I mentioned yesterday: According to the site you can just copy them. Only the (optional) pingus_levels uses zenity (if i understand correctly it is some kind of guide/walk-through)
[08:32] <SatManUK> timri: i put them where they are supposed to be - in /usr/share/games/pingus/levels/ok
[08:32] <SatManUK> when i run pingus_levels it says:
[08:32] <SatManUK> stuart@ubuntu:/usr/share/games$ pingus_levels
[08:32] <SatManUK> [: 7: not: unexpected operator
[08:32] <SatManUK> zenity not found
[08:32] <SatManUK> 
[08:33] <SatManUK> but when i try and sudo apt-get zenity
[08:33] <SatManUK> zenity is already the newest version.
[08:34]  * timri is downloading the source now
[08:35] <timri> (will take a while on my connection 9mb...whoa)
[08:35] <SatManUK> 9mb of pingus?
[08:35] <SatManUK> or pingus levels?
[08:35] <SatManUK> timri: what connection do you have?
[08:35] <timri> SatManUK: Dunno. It said Quellcode, so I'am downloading it now.
[08:35] <SatManUK> inside Georgia i got 8mb / outside Georgia i got 128k :(
[08:35] <SatManUK> ok
[08:36] <timri> SatManUK: I am sadly forced to use a 512Kbits/s with a 5Gbyte monthly cap
[08:36] <timri> join #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:36] <SatManUK> pah!
[08:36] <timri> erm
[08:36] <SatManUK> no monthly cap
[08:36] <SatManUK> and kubuntu has a nice mirror in Georgia..
[08:36] <SatManUK> thats why i chose this distro
[08:36] <SatManUK> i always been a suse user myself..
[08:37] <SatManUK> but when your connection stinks / no mirror in site - hobsence choice..
[08:37] <timri> SatManUK: apt-cacher to the rescue !
[08:37] <SatManUK> i put the binary in /usr/share/games instead of usr/games
[08:37] <SatManUK> think that might be the problem
[08:38] <timri> SatManUK: -> join me in #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:39] <sebastian^> good morning folks :)
[08:40]  * ForgeAus takes the NextStep backwards
[08:45] <dm> Hello. My umask is set to 0022 so when I create a file or dir its perissions are 0644 resp. 0755. When I save an attachment from kmail its perms are 0400. How can I correct this behaviour?
[08:48] <JJtech> hi guys..
[08:49] <JJtech> im reinstalling kubuntu but not the 64bit edition.. im having trouble with 64bit.. so im reinstalling the 32bit version..
[08:50] <tashiro> Doese any 1 know were i can gather knowledge about Kubuntu?
[08:50] <JJtech> how to configure compiz??
[08:50] <JJtech> !kubuntu
[08:50] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[08:50] <stdin> !compiz | JJtech
[08:50] <ubotu> JJtech: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[08:52] <se7en> Usenet Download World Record !!!  674 MB in 56 seconds + 28 seconds for uncompressing = 1:24 for downloading a 712 MB Ubuntu CD image. More info about this contest at http://www.usenext.com :)
[08:53] <WaltzingAlong> se7en: no need to spam here
[08:53] <JJtech> yeah.. no need
[08:54] <JJtech> im having trouble with compriz-fusion... when loading, screen freezes
[08:54] <JJtech> pls help
[08:55] <se7en> sorry guys had something to do with (k)ubuntu will not happen again
[08:55] <tashiro> Wats Compiz?
[08:55] <WaltzingAlong> JJtech: check the compiz wiki and channel
[08:55] <JJtech> compriz
[08:55] <JJtech> ok
[08:56] <twiho> hi folks
[08:56] <twiho> is this mainly a chat room or customer care?:)
[08:56] <bazhang> compiz is the 3d effects available in Linux (though best in Kubuntu) tashiro
[08:57] <bazhang> support channel twiho
[08:57] <WaltzingAlong> twiho: support in here
[08:57] <JJtech> no 1 in compiz channel watlz
[08:57] <twiho> oh I am off then :) see you when some problems here show up:D
[08:57] <JJtech> waltz
[08:58] <stdin> JJtech: in #compiz-fusion ?
[08:58] <WaltzingAlong> then check the wiki
[08:59] <JJtech> i followed the instruction at wiki, but failed.. although compriz loads up, the menus and button in my window are gone
[08:59] <JJtech> and i can't resize, or move the windows after loading compriz
[09:00] <WaltzingAlong> JJtech: so reload kwin with             alt+f2 kwin --replace
[09:00] <bazhang> JJtech:  in gutsy?
[09:01] <JJtech> yes
[09:01] <bazhang> check move windows plugin
[09:01] <JJtech> i have a kubuntu 7.10 64bit edition
[09:01] <JJtech> and also im having trouble setting plug-in flash
[09:02] <bazhang> seems a common complaint with 64bit these days
[09:02] <stdin> JJtech: flash is 32bit only, you should look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[09:03] <JJtech> yeah.. i can see that now
[09:03] <JJtech> this is why im changing from 64bit to 32bit version
[09:04] <JackWinter> hiya.  i left my new & shiny kubuntu running over night.  when i came back scrollwheel of my logitech mouse is no longer functional.  this is the 2:nd time this happens?
[09:04] <JJtech> at this moment im using Live CD 32bit, and installing.. hoping not get caught with the previous problem again..
[09:04] <WaltzingAlong> if i had 64bit hardware i would be running kubuntu 64bit
[09:06] <JJtech> im running 64bit earlier, but got the problem of installing flash, and compriz..(i think bcoz im just a newbie)
[09:06] <JJtech> what would you most prefer??? ubuntu or Kubuntu???
[09:06] <WaltzingAlong> i guess compiz will be a problem again with 32bit but flash can work through the nspluginwrapper
[09:06] <WaltzingAlong> JJtech: i have a suspicion those in #kubuntu may lean toward kubuntu
[09:07] <JJtech> :)
[09:07] <JJtech> i guess so
[09:07] <WaltzingAlong> so i prefer kde and thus kubuntu
[09:08] <JackWinter> is there a way to fire up gnome under kubuntu to check it out, wo installing another partition?
[09:08] <JJtech> well, me too.. i use the live CD ubuntu before, but it's not like kubuntu..(i think)..
[09:09] <JackWinter> ah, live ubuntu would be a good idea ;-)
[09:09] <milos> hello ppl
[09:09] <stdin> JackWinter: you can just install ubuntu-desktop and login to gnome
[09:09] <WaltzingAlong> JackWinter: you could also install the package ubuntu-desktop ... ^^
[09:10] <JackWinter> hey, cool. is it dificult to remove if i don't like it?
[09:10] <JJtech> guys, can som1 send me a list of commands regarding kubuntu?? jhoc2x2@hotmail.com
[09:10] <stdin> if you use aptitude to install it, then no
[09:10] <WaltzingAlong> JackWinter: install it through aptitude then remove it through aptitude.  just a package to install then remove
[09:11] <stdin> !shell | JJtech
[09:11] <ubotu> JJtech: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[09:11] <JackWinter> and dependencies?
[09:11] <milos> is anyone here familiar with the parameters given at boot for the kubuntu live 7.10 cd?
[09:11] <stdin> JJtech: this channel is logged and crawled by google, not a good idea to post you email address
[09:11] <JJtech> sorry
[09:11] <WaltzingAlong> JackWinter: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop          will install all that is needed for the 'ubuntu' gnome; sudo aptitude purge ubuntu-desktop     would get rid of that package and the installed dependencies (which are no longer required)
[09:11] <milos> i have a problem with the default installation - screen flickers even in safe vga mode with resolution set (resolution disregarded and set to a resolution that monitor or gpu does not support)
[09:11] <stdin> JackWinter: aptitude takes care of that for you, that's why we suggest it
[09:12] <milos> so, if anyone could tell me the parameters to give at boot time so i dont have to download the alternative cd
[09:12] <WaltzingAlong> or just remove in place of purge* JackWinter
[09:12] <milos> k i`ll wait :)
[09:13] <milos> anyone? :(
[09:13] <surgy> why do i get this error while compiling a plugin?
[09:13] <surgy> /Cache.c: In function ‘_CacheLoadTexture32’:
[09:13] <surgy> ../Cache.c:73: error: memory input 2 is not directly addressable
[09:13] <JackWinter> cool.  just to make sure i understand correctly. all packages i install with aptitude, will have it's dependencies removed when i remove it in aptitude?  this is a q i've been asking myself for a while..
[09:13] <WaltzingAlong> !aptitude | JackWinter
[09:13] <ubotu> JackWinter: aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[09:13] <WaltzingAlong> JackWinter: yes
[09:14] <meta_> Heya everyone!
[09:14] <JackWinter> Thanks
[09:14] <meta_> I was hoping to find out whether or not this distro has a package manager which takes care of all your dependencies.
[09:15] <stdin> meta_: yep, it's debian bases so we use apt
[09:15] <milos> ok let me make this shorter. is there a way to run a debian-installer from the DESKTOPcd?
[09:15] <meta_> Thanks. I think I have a basic idea.
[09:15] <milos> (i`m talking about booting from the cd)
[09:15] <stdin> milos: no, the debian installer isn't even on the live cd
[09:15] <meta_> It would be apt-get ndiswrapper?
[09:15] <stdin> meta_: close "apt-get install ndiswrapper"
[09:16] <stdin> meta_: kubuntu installs Adept as it's default GUI package manager, so you don't need to know apt at all
[09:16] <stdin> (unless you want to know it, that is)
[09:16] <milos> stdin, is there a way to set the resolution to something safer? when i press F4, choose 800x600, and do the installation in the "safe vga mode" - the installer seems to disregard that, and set the resolution to 1920xsomething , and the screen flicers etc...
[09:17] <meta_> Well, Adept isn't showing any packages other than those installed.
[09:17] <milos> *flickers
[09:17] <timri> surgy: Could be an old simd bug in gcc, or it can't find gcc. Try export CXX=`which g++`
[09:17] <tashiro> My amarok always freezes my system any ideas?
[09:17] <meta_> I'm gonna reboot for a sec. That command you gave me was yapping about some process using something and rebooting will probably close that process sooo brb.
[09:17] <stdin> meta_: that's probably because you have the repositories disabled, go to Adept>Manage Repositories and check the boxes
[09:17] <JJtech> wtf..english pls
[09:17] <meta_> Okay. Thanks.
[09:17] <surgy> timri your way over my head
[09:17] <timri> surgy:  and export CC=`which gcc`
[09:18] <milos> btw desktop computer, geforceFX5600, nforce2 mobo
[09:18] <stdin> milos: afaik that should work, don't know why not
[09:18] <meta_> Sorry I'm a Kubuntu noob. Lol.
[09:18] <milos> well it doesent
[09:18] <milos> it starts in 1920xsomething
[09:18] <timri> surgy: That's the first time anyone says that :))
[09:18] <milos> and the screen goes weird
[09:18] <JJtech> change PC
[09:18] <JJtech> lol
[09:18] <milos> heheh no thx :)
[09:18] <meta_> I was gonna manually compile ndiswrapper... But the dependency list was massive and I couldn't be bothered. Lol.
[09:18] <milos> i`ll just download alternate install cd
[09:18] <milos> :(
[09:19] <stdin> meta_: are you using gutsy?
[09:19] <milos> thx for the help guys
[09:19] <milos> i`ll hang around untill it gets downloaded :p
[09:19] <meta_> stdin: Sorry, forgot to mention. No I'm not.
[09:19] <meta_> I'm using 7.04.
[09:19] <meta_> That's the one installed by default in Wubi.
[09:19] <JackWinter> what would be the right channel regarding linux-rt related qs?
[09:20] <stdin> meta_: that's ok, was just going to recommend the restricted drivers manager if you were
[09:20] <meta_> Well, Adept isn't showing anything about repositories.
[09:20] <JackWinter> i got it: #linux-rt ;-)
[09:20] <meta_> When I click Adept, there's only one option. It's quit.
[09:20] <stdin> meta_: should be the 2nd option down
[09:20] <JJtech> lol
[09:21] <meta_> stdin: There is no second option...
[09:21] <milos> brb switching clients
[09:21] <meta_> I click on Adept (beside Edit) and it says Quit.
[09:21]  * ForgeAus wows at the explosion...
[09:22] <jkl_> HELLO
[09:22] <ForgeAus> hey jkl
[09:22] <stdin> meta_: strange...
[09:22] <JJtech> hi
[09:22] <ForgeAus> stdin! :) sup?
[09:22] <milos> where do i inform kubuntu developers about their installer not setting the resolution in the installer?
[09:22] <stdin> ForgeAus: the sun :p
[09:23] <ForgeAus> that depends on which side of the world your on :)
[09:23] <JJtech> lol
[09:23] <stdin> milos: #kubuntu-devel (or #ubuntu-devel )
[09:23] <WaltzingAlong> meta_: adept manager
[09:23] <milos> thx
[09:23] <milos> its both
[09:23] <ForgeAus> luckily its still true (barely) here...
[09:23] <milos> tried ubuntu 6.06
[09:23] <WaltzingAlong> meta_: adept_manager is the name of the program's exec
[09:23] <milos> same thing happens
[09:23] <meta_> WaltzingAlong: I know.
[09:24] <JackWinter> who do i login to ubuntu-desktop if i install it?  do i get a choice of which windowsmanager at the login prompt?
[09:24] <stdin> meta_: ok, close adept and press Alt-F2, then type in "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[09:24] <BEGINNER_IRC> who does have a microphone and want to speak with me?
[09:24] <WaltzingAlong> JackWinter: yes at X login (kdm) you can to pick which session
[09:24] <bazhang> choose session JackWinter
[09:24] <ForgeAus> wow kdesu kate, man its been a long itme
[09:24] <stdin> meta_: then post what's in the file to pastebin
[09:24] <stdin> !pastebin | meta_
[09:24] <ubotu> meta_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:24] <meta_> Wait.
[09:24]  * stdin waits
[09:25] <stdin> !ot | BEGINNER_IRC
[09:25] <ubotu> BEGINNER_IRC: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:26] <JackWinter> thanks alot guys. i think i'll give it a go.
[09:26] <meta_> stdin: I love progress. Starting adept_manager worked... But now the option to manage the repo is faded out.
[09:26] <ForgeAus> Jack your gdm or kdm (or whatever dm you use) to log in generally has a way of selecting which desktop you can log into...
[09:26] <meta_> But at least I see it. Lol.
[09:26] <WaltzingAlong> meta_: wait for adept to stop filtering
[09:27] <stdin> meta_: ahh ok, just wait a while for adept to finish sorting
[09:27] <ForgeAus> for kubuntu's kdm its a from a menu that you have to open from the login screen
[09:27] <WaltzingAlong> meta_: what did you have to do to see the option in adept manager? ... just start adept_manager?
[09:27] <Beau> can any help me with enabling fire effects on my kubuntu? I got water, wobbly and fade working np. Now Iḿ stuck.
[09:28] <stdin> Beau: #compiz-fusion
[09:28] <WaltzingAlong> !compiz | Beau, help in there
[09:28] <ubotu> Beau, help in there: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[09:28] <meta_> WaltzingAlong: Yeah... Should that not have appeared when I went to System > Adept Manager?
[09:28] <stdin> should be/is the same program
[09:28] <Beau> ubotu, thank you
[09:28] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[09:29] <WaltzingAlong> meta_: there are a few packages: adept_updater, adept_installer, adept_batch, adept_notifier, and adept_manager
[09:29] <meta_> Excellent. It's working now.
[09:29] <meta_> I don't understand why...
[09:29] <meta_> All I did was open and close it 3 times and it worked. Lmao.
[09:30] <stdin> meta_: when you install with no internet connection the internet sources are disabled, that's why it was only showing packages you had installed
[09:30] <meta_> That's just weird. Well, thanks!
[09:30] <meta_> stdin: Yeah, I didn't have one at the time.
[09:30] <meta_> Which is why I'm installing ndiswrapper for wireless internet.
[09:31] <stdin> what wireless card do you have?
[09:32] <meta_> stdin: Don't worry. I'm fairly certain I can take it from here. I've already extracted the driver using cabextract and all I needed was ndiswrapper.
[09:33] <stdin> meta_: well ndiswrapper should be a last resort, usually gives poor performance
[09:33] <stdin> if it's broadcom there are native drivers
[09:33] <meta_> stdin: It is broadcom.
[09:33] <stdin> !broadcom
[09:33] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[09:33] <stdin> the native version should be quite simple to do
[09:34] <dm> Hello. My umask is set to 0022 so when I create a file or dir its perissions are 0644 resp. 0755. When I save an attachment from kmail its perms are 0400. How can I correct this behaviour?
[09:36] <JJtech> my box is AMD64bit athlonFX 4000+ , 1.5g RAM, 2 SATA 80gb, 1 EIDE 40gb, nforce430 mainboard, geForce 8400GS video card       what shud i do to take full effects and optimal settings??
[09:37] <stdin> not much, you could install the nvidia graphics driver but that's it.
[09:37] <stdin> linux optimises the rest for you
[09:38] <stdin> JJtech: #kubuntu-devel is not a support channel
[09:40] <milos> stdin, how many people do you help daily?
[09:40] <stdin> no clue, I don't keep count
[09:40] <milos> it is commendable
[09:41] <Tm_T> it's our call, you can say
[09:41] <milos> :)
[09:41] <Tm_T> calling even
[09:41] <JJtech> got to go.. have to restart.....again..
[09:42] <milos> is your work IT related, or do you do this just for a hobby? (sorry for the personal question)
[09:43] <Tm_T> milos: you can consider me as retired hobbyist
[09:43] <milos> hahaha great :)
[09:43] <stdin> it's more a lifestyle than a hobby
[09:43] <Tm_T> stdin: that yes
[09:44] <si0ux>                                                                         
[09:44] <milos> not many people in the world that would help just because they can...
[09:44] <Tm_T> I do that in every aspect I can
[09:44] <stdin> well, that's the open-source philosophy
[09:44] <Tm_T> IT-related or not
[09:45] <milos> i`m forcing myself to do similar work that you guys do
[09:45] <milos> and i will
[09:45] <milos> as soon as i get my army/work sorted out
[09:45] <Tm_T> anyway, this is slipping to offtopic :-P
[09:45] <milos> sry
[09:46] <Tm_T> no need to be sorry
[09:46] <Tm_T> milos: feel free to join #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:46] <milos> haha cool
[09:47] <ForgeAus> I always thought openStep should have been opensourced by now :)
[09:47] <ForgeAus> lol
[09:49] <surgy> how do you extract a rea only tgz.gz archive?
[09:49] <surgy> read*
[09:49] <ForgeAus> a read only tarball?
[09:49] <meta_> Gotta go! See ya! Thanks again.
[09:49] <ForgeAus> should be smae way as a normal one, you don't need to write to it to extract it
[09:50] <ForgeAus> although generally its .tar.gz
[09:50] <ForgeAus> I've never really heard of read only archive files
[09:51] <surgy> ark says its not in gzip format and the operation failed
[09:51] <dm> Hello. My umask is set to 0022 so when I create a file or dir its perissions are 0644 resp. 0755. When I save an attachment from kmail its perms are 0400. How can I correct this behaviour?
[09:51] <surgy> only thing holding me back from my emu
[09:51] <ForgeAus> either its corrupted or a different format that ark isn't recognising
[09:51] <ForgeAus> (do you have midnight commander? you might want to see if it opens it)
[09:51] <surgy> says gzipped archive with extension .tgz
[09:52] <ForgeAus> yeah you'd expect that, but maybe its named wrong?
[09:52] <ForgeAus> try making it .tar.gz instead?
[09:52] <ForgeAus> .tgz ive mostly only seen used in slackware packages
[09:53] <surgy> !tgz
[09:53] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[09:53] <ForgeAus> .. sofar
[09:53] <ForgeAus> yes I'm aware that its an archive
[09:53] <surgy> well my gpu is in it
[09:53] <surgy> and i need it
[09:53] <ForgeAus> okok I understand that
[09:53] <ForgeAus> like I said try renaming it to .tar.gz and see if its any different
[09:54] <surgy> i did didnt help
[09:54] <ForgeAus> ok... well then I'm not sure I know how to help... it sound sstrange that they're gzipping something thats already gzipped
[09:55] <ForgeAus> (ie I'm not 100% certain but I think .tgz = .tar.gz'd already.. so .tgz.gz is a bit strange)
[09:55] <ForgeAus> .tar.gz is much more common
[09:55] <bucatoamano> hi i have a problem with kommander , save a wigettree setttings
[09:55] <bucatoamano> and restore the settings
[09:57] <surgy> so i need it extracted, either that or i need gssoft.so
[09:57] <ForgeAus> um do a file command on it
 ForgeAus, do a 'file' command on that file to make sure what the extension says it is is, in fact, what it is.
[09:58] <surgy> and how do i do that?
[09:58] <ForgeAus> file <filename> from tthe prompt I gather
[09:58] <sauvin> surgy?
[09:59] <ForgeAus> he's h ere
[09:59] <surgy> yeah
[09:59] <sauvin> You have a .tgz.gz or somesuch?
[09:59] <surgy> yeah
[09:59] <surgy> and ive been at this progect for over 9 hours :(
[09:59] <surgy> lol
[09:59] <ForgeAus> almost sounds like a slackware package thats been re .gz'd
[09:59] <sauvin> Do a 'file whateverfile.tgz.gz' and observe what the command returns. That file may have been renamed.
[10:00] <surgy> GSsoft-0.61.tgz.gz: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Tue Nov 25 07:20:35 2003
[10:01] <sauvin> Mmkay, gunzip it.
[10:01] <sauvin> A new file will appear in that directory. do a 'file' on it, as well.
[10:01] <JJtech> what's the command to get compiz fusion?
[10:01] <surgy> nope
[10:01]  * ForgeAus nods sounds wise
[10:01] <surgy> no new file
[10:02] <sauvin> Did it hurl an error?
[10:02] <surgy> nope
[10:02] <surgy> surgy@derek:~/Desktop$ gunzip -f GSsoft-0.61.tgz.gz
[10:02] <ForgeAus> um... can't remember JJtech, something like apt-get compiz-fusion
[10:02] <sauvin> Moment.
[10:02] <ForgeAus> just curious whats the -f flag?
[10:02] <surgy> actually i gotta hit the sack
[10:03] <surgy> force unzip
[10:03] <ForgeAus> IC
[10:03] <JJtech> ok... i will try
[10:03] <surgy> ima pick this up tommorow
[10:03] <surgy> email me surgy_377@yahoo.com if you get the chance please
[10:03] <surgy> thnx for all the help especially you ForgeAus
[10:03] <ForgeAus> no problem surgy
[10:03] <ForgeAus> like I said, good luck :)
[10:04] <surgy> or just pm me with any info you guys got
[10:04] <ForgeAus> I really don't know why they made it so difficult
 i got invalid command
[10:05] <ForgeAus> lol JJtech I'm not suprised
[10:05] <JJtech> and why?
[10:05] <JJtech> what shud i do?
[10:05] <ForgeAus> you can get it from adept if you run adept-manager
[10:05] <ForgeAus> find the compiz package in the list then install that one
[10:06] <ForgeAus> (as long as your using #Kubuntu)
[10:06] <ForgeAus> erm kubuntu
[10:06] <JJtech> kk... i will see to it
[10:06] <ForgeAus> (if you ar using a different distro you may have to use synaptic or whatever it has instead)
[10:07] <ForgeAus> btw sauvin thanx for helping surgy :)
[10:07] <sauvin> I tried.
[10:07] <sauvin> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0833030477
[10:07] <ForgeAus> yeah well I'm not so certain its even doable...
[10:08] <JJtech> Forge, can't understand what distro mean... im a kubuntu nood..
[10:08] <ForgeAus> for all I know it could be a corrupt file or something
[10:08] <JJtech> noob
[10:08] <ForgeAus> ok there are many different forms of the "linux" operating system
[10:08] <se7en> !distro
[10:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about distro - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:08] <ForgeAus> (actually its a linux kernel with alot of gnu programs)
[10:08] <JJtech> ???
[10:09] <Tm_T> ForgeAus: and KDE or GNOME
[10:09] <Tm_T> or both
[10:09] <Tm_T> or
[10:09] <ForgeAus> they all have different names like Mepis, Arklinux, Kubntu, Debian, etc etc..
[10:09] <JJtech> ok.. and???
[10:09] <ForgeAus> well they come with different systems and different software
[10:10] <ForgeAus> its most common that they have one of Gnome and/or KDE as a display manager for X-windows...
[10:10] <ForgeAus> but they often vary between different package management systems
[10:10] <ForgeAus> ie, redhat and Mandriva use .rpm files
[10:10] <ForgeAus> Debian based ones use .deb's
[10:10] <ForgeAus> slackware uses .tgz
[10:11] <ForgeAus> Gentoo uses a system called portage or ebuild..
[10:11] <JJtech> so what is this im using???
[10:11] <ForgeAus> your using Kubuntu which is based on debian, hence .deb packages
[10:11] <JJtech> it said here in the CD, KUBUNTU
[10:11] <JJtech> ahhh.. i see
[10:11] <JJtech> and what shud i do in order to gain it's optimal performance?
[10:12] <ForgeAus> note Ubuntu is an alternate Kubuntu in fact kubuntu is based almsot directly on it, only with KDE packages instead of Gnome ones...
[10:12] <rysiek|pl> hi all
[10:12] <ForgeAus> learn how to tweak your system
[10:12] <JJtech> my PC specs " AMD64 athlon FX dual core 4000+, 1.5gb RAM
[10:13] <ForgeAus> I have a p4 3gig processor... (socket 768)
[10:13] <JJtech> my PC specs " AMD64 athlon FX dual core 4000+, 1.5gb RAM, 200+Hard drive, Geforce 8400GS
[10:13] <ForgeAus> and only 1 gig of ram
[10:13] <ForgeAus> 2x 160 gig hdd's tho
[10:13] <ForgeAus> and an ATI video card
[10:13] <ForgeAus> (AGP8x)
[10:13] <rysiek|pl> hmmm... does anybody know if there is a way to use sed to substitute parts of a file with an output of a command, BUT giving this command one of the matches (e.g. \1) as a command-line argument?
[10:14] <ForgeAus> um not sure what you mean rykiek but sounds like you should be able to pipe it????
[10:14] <ForgeAus> ie output of command a | input of command b
[10:15] <ForgeAus> much like you do with something like: cat < filename | less
[10:15] <rysiek|pl> ForgeAus: aye: some_command | sed "s/myreg(exp)/$( my_command )/"
[10:15] <rysiek|pl> ForgeAus: thing is: I want to do something like: some_command | sed "s/myreg(exp)/$( my_command \1 )/"
[10:16] <rysiek|pl> where \1 is "the first regexp match of sed" (in this case - "exp"
[10:16] <rysiek|pl> )
[10:16] <JJtech> wow you guys!! u do have a great knowledge of commands...
[10:16] <ForgeAus> I'm not familiar with the sed command nor the format of regexp
[10:16] <JJtech> rysiek> i don't know what you mean with that s/myreg thing
[10:17] <stdin> regexp is insane, don't expect to understand it :p
[10:17] <ForgeAus> lol
[10:17] <ForgeAus> regular expression right?
[10:17] <stdin> yep
[10:17] <ForgeAus> just describes the syntax of things somehow?
[10:17] <Larson> anyone here using the iwl4965 wireless driver? I'm having some bizarre performance issues here.. just want to check if it's the driver or something else
[10:18] <ForgeAus> ie to match stuff like number number number exclaimation number number ???
[10:18] <stdin> ForgeAus: something like that ;)
[10:18] <ForgeAus> well at that general level I understand it, as for the symbology it uses is another matter entirely
[10:19] <stdin> $(echo "Hello" | sed 's/[a-z]//') outputs "H"
[10:19] <ForgeAus> lol
[10:19] <stdin> and that's probably the simplest example I can think of
[10:20] <onishidato> hola
[10:21] <onishidato> how can i play  .DAT on Kaffeine
[10:21] <emilsedgh> onishidato: rename it to .mpg :)
[10:21] <onishidato> ảe you sủe?
[10:21] <stdin> .dat is usually mpeg1 from VCDs
[10:22] <onishidato> are you sure
[10:22] <onishidato> rename and we can play?
[10:22] <stdin> try it and see
[10:22] <WaltzingAlong> really would not need to rename it either but doing so should not hurt
[10:22] <stdin> try "file yourfile.dat" to see what it is
[10:25] <onishidato> "file yourfile.dat"?
[10:25] <onishidato> can you explain?
[10:26] <stdin> "file" is a command, and "yourfile.dat" is the .dat file you have
[10:26] <stdin> so if your file is ~/Desktop/MyVid.DAT  you'd run "file ~/Desktop/MyVid.dat"
[10:27] <onishidato> thanks
[10:30] <onishidato> there is a problem
[10:31] <onishidato> whn i use Linux
[10:31] <onishidato> i can't manually onpen my DVD disc tray
[10:31] <onishidato> how can i fix it?
[10:31] <WaltzingAlong> unmount it first
[10:31] <stdin> that happens when you have it mounted
[10:32] <onishidato> unmount?
[10:32] <stdin> go to media:/  right click the dvd drive and choose Eject
[10:33] <onishidato> this is what i got when i try to play the .DAT file on kaffeine
[10:33] <onishidato> 05:33:01 PM: xine: couldn't find demux for >/media/cdrom0/MPEGAV/AVSEQ01.DAT<
[10:33] <onishidato> 05:32:54 PM: xine: found input plugin : file input plugin
[10:35] <JJtech> 06:34:52 PHT: xine: couldn't find demux for >dvd:///dev/hda<
[10:35] <JJtech> 06:34:52 PHT: xine: found input plugin : DVD Navigator
[10:37] <emilsedgh> onishidato: aah, youre trying to play a video cd? use kaffeine's menu...there's an option to play vcd
[10:37] <emilsedgh> onishidato: file->Open VCD
[10:37] <suey> ÷å çà õðåíü
[10:37] <stdin> suey: ??
[10:38] <suey> äà
[10:38] <onishidato> emilsedgh: thanks
[10:38] <Larson-h> anyone knows if a 2.6.23 kernel will be offered (soon?)
[10:38] <JJtech> how about DVD?? how to play??
[10:38] <JJtech> i got this message
[10:38] <JJtech> 06:34:52 PHT: xine: couldn't find demux for >dvd:///dev/hda<
[10:38] <JJtech> 06:34:52 PHT: xine: found input plugin : DVD Navigator
[10:38] <suey> Ïîøëè âñ¸ íàõ
[10:38] <baudthief> Has anyone got GridWars 2 (version 5.4) for linux? I have the windows version, and an older linux version
[10:38] <stdin> !ru | suey
[10:38] <ubotu> suey: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[10:38] <WaltzingAlong> !dvd | JJtech
[10:38] <ubotu> JJtech: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[10:39] <emilsedgh> JJtech: Kaffeine->File->Open DVD
[10:40] <suey> [Ñðä Íîÿ 14 2007] [16:53:19] |Çàéòè| johnsmith2 âîøåë íà êàíàë (n=d110@210-84-14-248.dyn.iinet.net.au).
[10:40] <suey> [Ñðä Íîÿ 14 2007] [16:53:20] <lg188> no the bits
[10:40] <suey> [Ñðä Íîÿ 14 2007] [16:53:30] <lg188> :s
[10:40] <suey> [Ñðä Íîÿ 14 2007] [16:54:09] <Sonjaaa> i have to go now
[10:40] <suey> [Ñðä Íîÿ 14 2007] [16:54:10] <Sonjaaa> bai!
[10:47] <JJtech> naay bisaya diri?
[10:56] <nick_> Hey everyone, I have a k3b question, I keep getting the error "cdrecord has no permission to open this device"  It only started yesterday and before that it worked perfectly.  I have the debugging report, but I don't know how to use pastebin
[10:56] <nick_> I've been web searching and the best I came up with was to run it as sudo but when I do that it gives me an unknown error
[11:00] <nick_> I also just got Nero to use on Windows and it returns an error as well, although it's debuggin report is worthless
[11:02] <rysiek|pl> cu all
[11:13] <neville> What are you trying to do?
[11:16] <ahmad> i have realtek sound card on toshiba satillite but there is no sound at all
[11:16] <ahmad> any one help
[11:18] <nick_> neville: The first time it messed up I was just trying to do a data burn to a normal cd, then it again messed up with a data dvd and now it messes us doing cd iso images
[11:18] <nick_> neville: It simulates fine, but when I go to write it it gets stuck at the 31st megabyte and returns the error
[11:21] <soon> I'm having network problems - just re-installed (up from 7.04 to 7.10). My laptop (IBM T60) has an Intel Atheros card, which seems to be working. Also ethernet (wired) connection to my dhcp router works fine - alas, if I unplug the ethernet I cant get the wifi to work properly.
[11:21] <mweijts> i have a question about kde4
[11:21] <mweijts> Setting up kdm-kde4 (4:3.96.0-1ubuntu3~ppa1) ...
[11:21] <mweijts> dpkg: error processing kdm-kde4 (--configure):
[11:21] <mweijts>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[11:21] <mweijts> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:21] <mweijts>  kdm-kde4
[11:21] <mweijts> whats wrong ?
[11:22] <neville> Have you tried using a different disk?
[11:23] <nick_> neville: Yes, everytime it writes a little bit on them so they are no longer blank, I've been thru 7 cds so far and 2 dvds
[11:24] <neville> Is it able to read other disks fine?
[11:26] <nick_> neville: Yes, it can read data disks that were already made and I can run programs from cd
[11:26] <JJtech> !fusion
[11:26] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[11:35] <WaltzingAlong> mweijts: apparently that one fails on postinst       sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdm-kde4.postinst; sudo aptitude -f install
[11:36] <student> Somebody who knows if its possible to download a Kubuntu 7.10 +KDE 4 prepatched iso somewhere?
[11:38] <stdin> student: nope, kde4 isn't even out yet
[11:41] <mweijts> Thanx WaltzingAlong that removes the error message in Synaptic Package Manager the error is not longer appearing
[11:53] <soon> I need to pass a command to my wireless network card (iwpriv ath0 mode 2) for it to work - where should I put this to have it executed at every boot / network start ?
[11:53] <ghostcube> any news for crashing systemsettings on 3.5.8
[11:53] <ghostcube> ??
[11:54] <ghostcube> feisty
[11:54] <alesan>  hi, what is the component that manages the mounting of for example USB keys?
[11:54] <stdin> soon: try /etc/rc.local
[11:54] <soon> thx
[11:57] <loguser1> does any one knows which port is used by msn messenger? in windows
[11:58] <JJtech> !fusion
[11:58] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[11:59] <anton> Hey, I have a problem: I try to enable restricted drivers, then it says: "there was an error committing changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages"...why?
[11:59] <anton> Just installed Kubuntu 7.10
[12:01] <anton> Anyone? :(
[12:02] <ghostcube> ahh found bug report for 3.5.8 systremsetting crash abnden fix for it thx guys
[12:06] <anton> Hey, I have a problem: I try to enable restricted drivers, then it says: "there was an error committing changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages"...why?
[12:07] <ghostcube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/153636
[12:07] <ghostcube> by
[12:10] <anton> that link didn't work :(
[12:10] <anton> or, the fix didn't work
[12:14] <guhhh> please i lost my system. is there anyway i can reinstall the system without losing my data?
[12:16] <kraut> moin
[12:19] <Armakidon> When install kde4?
[12:20] <JJtech> !fusion
[12:20] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[12:29] <moofoo> hello, is there a "real" kio client for strigi? like the beagle one (or ftp/fish/etc.) so it can be used in file open dialogs etc.?
[12:46] <Riddell> motu Q&A in 15 mins in #ubuntu-classroom
[12:46] <Tm_T> thanks :)
[12:53] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: quick ping
[12:53] <anton> Hey, I have a problem: I try to enable restricted drivers, then it says: "there was an error committing changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages"...why?
[12:54] <tuxwulf> anton: you forgot to accept the licence agreement
[12:55] <tuxwulf> anton: There is a java package asking to accept some agreement; you have to scroll to the bottom anbd check some box, then click next
[13:00] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: hi
[13:00] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Ho.  Are you a Dot editor?
[13:00] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: tell me about this daily thing
[13:00] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Aha - so it did arrive, then?
[13:00] <Riddell> yes
[13:01]  * SSJ_GZ wasn't sure, as I didn't get a confirmation e-mail :)
[13:01] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Not much to tell, really, apart from what's on the webpage :)
[13:01] <ardchoille> Whoa, digikam is quite nice. It can make html photo galleries as well as an mprg slideshow.
[13:01] <ardchoille> *mpeg
[13:01] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Any particular questions you had in mind?
[13:01] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: what is the image it based on?
[13:02] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Mainly vanilla Kubuntu 7.04 server, with KDM3 and third-party dependencies needed for KDE4
[13:02] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: no kdm 4?
[13:03] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: I thought that would be a little too risky - I always want the user to be able to boot into a graphical login.
[13:03] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: and is it available now?
[13:03] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Yep - there's a torrent for it:
[13:03] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=4855
[13:06] <Bauldrick> what command can i use to send a drive 'to sleep'?
[13:07] <WaltzingAlong> Bauldrick: hdparm ?
[13:07] <Bauldrick> I need to perform a 'live' logic board swap of my hdd
[13:11] <WaltzingAlong> anton: get it working?
[13:11] <poison--> hi guys
[13:11] <WaltzingAlong> guhhh: which system did you lose? "your data" is on the partition with /home, i would guess
[13:11] <poison--> !divx
[13:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[13:11] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: ping me in half an hour if I havn't got back to you
[13:12] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Thanks, will do :)
[13:12] <loguser1> if i cant find linux drivers of a hardware . can i use wine to install windows drivers and then use that hardware?
[13:12] <poison--> whats the easiest way to convert MPG to avi?
[13:12] <WaltzingAlong> loguser1: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete%20Webcam%20Support
[13:12] <WaltzingAlong> loguser1: no
[13:12] <poison--> <loguser1, what hardware drivers u need?
[13:13] <WaltzingAlong> poison--: mencoder!
[13:13] <loguser1> WaltzingAlong:  why not
[13:13] <loguser1> poison--:  alpha tv tuner
[13:13] <poison--> <WaltzingAlong, sweet!! thanks
[13:13] <poison--> ouch.. tv tuner is a pain
[13:13] <WaltzingAlong> loguser1: wine is an implementation of the windows api not the hardware interface
[13:13] <loguser1> WaltzingAlong:  ic..
[13:14] <poison--> !mencoder
[13:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mencoder - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:14] <loguser1> WaltzingAlong: but i cant use the software of the tv tuner by wne ? can i?
[13:14] <poison--> already had it installed, lol
[13:14] <WaltzingAlong> loguser1: you will need a driver (kernel module) that recognizes/supports the hardware first
[13:15] <loguser1> WaltzingAlong:  after that. can i use that soft?
[13:17] <WaltzingAlong> loguser1: you could. i do not know how well wine would handle tv-in programs. how about mythtv, kdetv, or tvtime
[13:17] <loguser1> k
[13:17] <loguser1> if i use most of the windows softwares by wine. will that give any harm to my linux. does it have any drawbacks?
[13:18] <stdin> loguser1: besides the drawback of using windows software and the buggyness of wine, nope
[13:19] <WaltzingAlong> also that you make the transition more difficult for yourself
[13:19] <WaltzingAlong> and then get to brag to people "yeah i use kubuntu to run my windows programs through wine" to which the reply is "ah ha, so linux does not have applications!"
[13:19] <loguser1> stdin:  is wine buggy ?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:20] <loguser1> too much?
[13:20] <stdin> loguser1: buggy like no other :p
[13:20] <loguser1> :)
[13:20] <WaltzingAlong> and of course it does but you prefer to use the effort in emulating the windows api on gnu/linux rather than finding or learning native programs
[13:20] <loguser1> ok. last question. HOW to install and use a software by wine ?
[13:20] <poison--> <BluesKaj, hi buddie
[13:21] <WaltzingAlong> loguser1: grab the .exe installer then at the prompt in konsole            wine setup.exe or whatever it is called
[13:21] <BluesKaj> depends what one runs on wine ...neotrce runs well, google-earth not so well:)
[13:22] <loguser1> dont i have to tell the location of setup.exe to wine ?
[13:22] <stdin> you can cd to the directory with the .exe in it
[13:22] <BluesKaj> <--reverted to the default gusty ATI grphx driver 8.37 after GE just wouldn't go
[13:22] <loguser1> stdin ok
[13:22] <loguser1> thx
[13:23] <BluesKaj> open the exe with wine works for some apps
[13:23] <BluesKaj> what's up poison-- ?
[13:27] <poison--> <BluesKaj, workin as usual, u?
[13:30] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj: not a fan of the linux build of googeearth?
[13:30] <WaltzingAlong> google*
[13:34] <BluesKaj> WaltzingAlong, agreed , kinda clunky , but I have a biy of a geography habit ...and it's worse since I retired.. planning trips etc :)
[13:35] <BluesKaj> biy=bit
[13:36] <BluesKaj> poison--, not doing much today ...cold here :/
[13:38] <cs__> arg
[13:38] <cs__> still can't get new fglrx 8.433 to work in 7.10 with accellerated GL
[13:40] <BluesKaj> cs__, what are you trying to do ?
[13:41] <thomax_> for some reason, after apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, I can't change the brightness of my screen and my battery isn't detected anymore
[13:41] <loguser1> what is ssh
[13:41] <thomax_> any idea how to repair this
[13:41] <thomax_> !ssh
[13:41] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[13:44] <loguser1> thomax_:  whats the client for linux?
[13:44] <loguser1> ssh
[13:44] <thomax_> loguser1: ssh
[13:44] <thomax_> just go to commandline
[13:44] <thomax_> type: man ssh
[13:45] <cs__> BluesKaj: trying to get GL to work and not using Mesa Indirect
[13:45] <cs__> ati radeon x850gt 256mb too btw
[13:45] <poison--> <BluesKaj, remeber the last issue i asked u, about my machine freezing?
[13:46] <poison--> it was the damn video card... overheating and died
[13:46] <poison--> lol
[13:46] <loguser1> thomax_:  an app called ssh ?
[13:46] <loguser1> k
[13:46] <loguser1> i need gui ssh client
[13:46] <thomax_> loguser1: jep
[13:46] <thomax_> ah gui
[13:46] <thomax_> hmm
[13:47] <stdin> loguser1: konsole is a gui ssh client
[13:47] <stdin> ssh = secure shell
[13:47] <ardchoille> stdin: I've never seen it put quite that way :)
[13:47] <BluesKaj> cs__, I reverted to the older 8.37
[13:47] <thomax_> loguser1: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ssh-gui/
[13:47] <stdin> well, konsole is a GUI terminal emulator
[13:48] <cs__> BluesKaj: the older 8.37 isn't an option
[13:48] <cs__> it's too slow
[13:48] <stdin> all "GUI ssh clients" are terminal emulators
[13:48] <stdin> just like konsole
[13:48] <cs__> i plan to work with GLSL, which the 8.4x series don't suck at
[13:48] <thomax_> stdin: uhm ok
[13:48] <BluesKaj> cs__, yes but it works , right ?
[13:48] <cs__> 8.4x worked in dapper
[13:48] <cs__> doesn't in gutsy :S
[13:49] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: ping, as requested :)
[13:50] <loguser1_> thomax_:  an app called ssh ?
[13:51] <loguser1_> i need gui ssh client
[13:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> eh?
[13:51] <thomax_> loguser1_: read what stdin just sais
[13:51] <thomax_> said
[13:51] <thomax_> [14:48] <stdin> all "GUI ssh clients" are terminal emulators
[13:51] <thomax_> [14:48] <stdin> just like konsole
[13:51] <WaltzingAlong> !info kdessh
[13:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> yeah
[13:51] <ubotu> kdessh: ssh frontend for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 35 kB, installed size 100 kB
[13:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> Secure SHell.  by its very definition NOT gui
[13:52] <stdin> Daisuke_Laptop: unless you use -Y
[13:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> stdin: point
[13:53] <loguser1_> thomax_:  i missed it
[13:53] <loguser1_> stdin:  what you just said?
[13:53] <stdin> loguser1_: konsole is a gui ssh client
[13:53]  * genii sips a coffee
[13:53] <ardchoille> Daisuke_Laptop: True
[13:53] <BluesKaj> cs__,according to the ATI driver site your 850 series should be using the propriestary ati driver , not the 8.43
[13:54] <loguser1_> stdin:  graphical user interface ?          no i need something like putty
[13:54] <stdin> loguser1_: yes, konsole can do everything putty can
[13:54] <genii> loguser1_: konsole is better than putty
[13:54] <stdin> loguser1_: you can save a session and then click on it to start that session again
[13:55] <stdin> konsole kicks putty's butty :p
[13:55] <ardchoille> hehe
[13:55] <cs__> yea well, tell that to this http://openarena.ws/crap/bench2.txt
[13:55] <ardchoille> kdessh? Isn't that simply konsole with diff features?
[13:55] <loguser1_> stdin: iam very bad at konsole and typing commands
[13:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> loguser1_: get good?
[13:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> :P
[13:56] <loguser1_> geni ^
[13:56] <stdin> loguser1_: well ssh is command line
[13:56] <stdin> ardchoille: I think it actually uses the konsoke kpart
[13:56] <ardchoille> loguser1_: Having Linux and not using the cli is like having a Porsche and walking
[13:56] <cs__> old fglrx = 8.37
[13:56] <stdin> so it's a gui for a gui
[13:56] <WaltzingAlong> !info sshm
[13:56] <ubotu> sshm: A command-line tool to manage your ssh servers. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.1-1 (gutsy), package size 13 kB, installed size 72 kB
[13:56] <loguser1_> ardchoille:  :)
[13:56] <cs__> new = 8.40 (at the time of bench2.txt written file)
[13:57] <cs__> on dapper
[13:57] <loguser1_> how about openshh ?
[13:57] <BluesKaj> cs__, what card do you have again... exactly ?
[13:57] <loguser1_> !info openshh
[13:57] <ubotu> Package openshh does not exist in gutsy
[13:57] <stdin> openssh is ssh, ssh installs openssh-server
[13:57] <loguser1_> !info open-shh
[13:57] <cs__> Radeon X850GT 256MB
[13:57] <cs__> AGP
[13:57] <loguser1_> !info openshh-server
[13:57] <stdin> !msgthebot > loguser1_
[13:58] <ubotu> Package open-shh does not exist in gutsy
[13:58] <ubotu> Package openshh-server does not exist in gutsy
[13:58] <cs__> sure, the ati drivers officially tell you to use 8.37, but the later drivers bring *MUCH* better performance (and supports x850, though unofficially)
[13:58] <ardchoille> loguser1_: ssh is command line, any app that says it's a GUI for ssh, you're still going to have to type in commands.
[13:58] <cs__> no way am i going to play games at 2fps
[13:59] <ardchoille> cs__: dunnet :)
[13:59] <loguser1_> ardchoille:  that doesnt happens in putty. why?
[13:59] <stdin> loguser1_: it does, it's just that putty open a shell then starts an X server. that's not all ssh is
[13:59] <WaltzingAlong> !info putty | loguser1_
[13:59] <ubotu> loguser1_: putty: Telnet/SSH client for X. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.60-1 (gutsy), package size 302 kB, installed size 744 kB
[13:59] <ardchoille> Because Windows designers don't understand the power of computers?
[14:00] <WaltzingAlong> maybe loguser1_ maybe you mean xming for ms windows boxes?
[14:00] <dopez> is there a 'safe' way to downgrade from gutsy to feisty again ?
[14:00] <stdin> loguser1_: there's no point in doing that in linux, you already have an X server running
[14:00] <stdin> dopez: no
[14:00] <risto> how i can open zip file ?
[14:00] <loguser1_> WaltzingAlong:  no
[14:00] <WaltzingAlong> risto: click it
[14:00] <stdin> use ark (make sure you have unzip installed)
[14:01] <WaltzingAlong> !zip > risto
[14:01] <BluesKaj> well cs__ I tried the driver rec'd by ati for my card too ans the 3D was 50% faster FPS running 'fgl_glxgears' , but I couldn't run my google earth app , and i don't do games so I had no choice but to revert
[14:02] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj: ever try solarwinds (i think that is the name of it)
[14:02] <BluesKaj> wind world ?
[14:02] <loguser1_> oooooooooohh ic.
[14:03] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj: world wind, yeah perhaps that
[14:03] <ngochai> Hi, can someone please help me wit this: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m10f0b243
[14:03] <loguser1_> these putty and other things are just clients.      the actuall ssh is that same and have to be commaned after putty or any other app logs in...        right?
[14:04] <stdin> loguser1_: yeah, putty just runs command in a shell, it just doesn't show the user them
[14:04] <WaltzingAlong> loguser1_: putty is a frontend to the command line interface of ssh
[14:04] <stdin> there's a reason it has "tty" in it's name
[14:05] <loguser1_> ic
[14:05] <loguser1_> my server (network) doesnt allows portforwarding. can i resolve it by using ssh and making a tunnel?
[14:05] <BluesKaj> WaltzingAlong, yeah world wind...open source java and windows
[14:05] <stdin> you can, but that's rather complex
[14:05] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj: but you run through wine anyway ;D
[14:05] <loguser1_> iam a client
[14:06] <BluesKaj> yup, gonna try it in wine , WaltzingAlong
[14:07] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ww2d
[14:08] <ngochai> can someone please take a look at this: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m10f0b243 and help me out?
[14:10] <WaltzingAlong> !brokenkde4 | ngochai
[14:10] <ubotu> ngochai: If you're trying to install KDE4 RC1 but getting errors about dependencies or files being overwritten, make sure you remove ALL of the KDE4 beta packages first. Try this in a !terminal: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime »
[14:13] <ngochai> that brings me to this http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m22a1f0f5
[14:14] <ngochai> apt-get -f install again give me the same thing
[14:18] <WaltzingAlong> ngochai: how about that?
[14:19] <stdin> ngochai: add "kdebase-runtime-bin kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-dev libplasma1" to the end of the command
[14:19] <WaltzingAlong> /notice ngochai  ok add those others too: apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-dev libplasma1
[14:19]  * genii takes a brief mental vacation
[14:19] <loguser1> i just installed kubuntu. i cant open videos and audio files. whats wrong
[14:19] <ngochai> ok, just did that, it worked
[14:19] <WaltzingAlong> !codecs | loguser1
[14:19] <ubotu> loguser1: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[14:20] <ngochai> do I need to remove anything else before going for KDE 4RC1?
[14:20] <loguser1> thx
[14:20] <stdin> ngochai: that removed it all
[14:20] <WaltzingAlong> ngochai: no
[14:20] <genii> WaltzingAlong: LOL yer the !ubotufact master
[14:20] <WaltzingAlong> muhahaha genii ;)
[14:21] <ngochai> ok, going to install KDE4 RC1 now, thank you guys
[14:21] <stdin> btw, I uploaded koffice2 as well last night :)
[14:22] <genii> stdin: How are you finding koffice2 ?
[14:22] <stdin> haven't installed it yet, haven't had time :p
[14:22] <genii> (not where you found it, how is it's usability, etc)
[14:22] <stdin> I'll probably install it later today and compare it to ooO
[14:23]  * genii awaits the review
[14:23] <stdin> how you finding the "new" konversation?
[14:24] <WaltzingAlong> like 1.0.1 ? :D
[14:24] <stdin> "konversation 1.0.2~svn20071122-0"
[14:25] <simion314> something strange is happened, i want to install crossover, i try to run with out sudo and it gives me "Permision denied" i tried with sudo:"sudo  ./install_cxoffice...."  but it gives me command not found, finaly i start konsole as root and i try to run it and it gives me again permision denied, even i am root
[14:25] <WaltzingAlong> package konversation, state installed, version 1.0.2-svn20071122-0
[14:25] <dm> Hello. Any idea how to persuade kmail to respect my umask of 0022 when saving attachmants?
[14:25] <nosrednaekim> simion314: try "sudo chmod -x install_cxoffice"
[14:25] <loguser1> can any one tell me the codec name that can play mp3 avi dvd and almost all video audio formats. ?
[14:25] <WaltzingAlong> simion314: need to make it executable? chmod +x file
[14:26] <WaltzingAlong> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras | loguser1, or just install this package with kubuntu gutsy
[14:26] <ubotu> loguser1, or just install this package with kubuntu gutsy: kubuntu-restricted-extras: Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10 (gutsy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[14:27] <loguser1> WaltzingAlong:  kubuntu-restricted-extras will play every thing ?
[14:28] <andrewmin> hey all, you know the alt-tab in kubuntu that pops up a list of the windows and you can cycle through them?  one day, mine disappeared and now i just have this normal alt-tab with no list.  any idea how to get it back?
[14:29] <WaltzingAlong> andrewmin: sure thing; system settings/window behavior/focus/navigation and check 'show window list while switching windows'
[14:29] <ardchoille> andrewmin: Been messing with the window manager?
[14:29] <andrewmin> the odd thing is, no i havent.  kinda weird.
[14:29] <Bauldrick> I can no longer watch my videos over samba from my server? How can I do this
[14:30] <konrad> When I try to install programs, any program, with Adept I get an error message claiming failure during saving changes. Any ideas as of how to fix this?
[14:30] <simion314> the file is executable , but i got Permission denied, and i am root, why it does not recognize sudo ./install_cxoffice.. command?
[14:30] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: open konsole. type   sudo aptitude -f install                what is the output?
[14:30] <loguser1> WaltzingAlong:  kubuntu-restricted-extras will play every thing ?
[14:31] <bucatoamano> kommander problem ... how can i ssave settings of my wigettree?
[14:31] <WaltzingAlong> loguser1: it is a metapackage to install the commonly desired codec packages, so the short answer, yes
[14:31] <ardchoille> loguser1: No, there are some flash video that even flash9 won't play
[14:31] <nosrednaekim> simion314: try "sudo sh install_cxoffice"
[14:32] <andrewmin> any idea how to snap windows?  for some reason, my window manager reset itself....
[14:32] <loguser1> k
[14:32] <WaltzingAlong> andrewmin: that should be in the same area
[14:32] <loguser1> thx!
[14:32] <WaltzingAlong> andrewmin: window behavior/moving
[14:32] <simion314> thx, i made it work now, is chmod +x the command, i remembered it wrong
[14:32] <andrewmin> thanks WaltzingAlong, that fixed it
[14:33] <WaltzingAlong> change mode to executable, yeah
[14:33] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: Seems like it will try to install/update adept. I'll see where this will get me. Tnx. I'll be back if it doesn't help.
[14:34] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: how does the updater script work?
[14:34] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Magic!
[14:34] <WaltzingAlong> !pastebin > konrad, feel free to pastebin the output of that if you want. otherwise apt-get with -f install will just attempt to fix any broken dependencies (perhaps an upgrade was interrupted or a package was forced by the user)
[14:34] <Bauldrick> why can't I stream .avi's via samba anymore?
[14:34] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Basically, a list of changed files, and the ops to perform on them.
[14:35] <Evil_`> I downloaded Kubuntu and made a live cd, but after I installed it..when I try to run without the disk it doesn't ever start up, it stays on a black screen
[14:35] <simion314> o god, now it sais that my home directory is not belonging to me, i do not enderstend
[14:35] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: source files or binary files?
[14:35] <WaltzingAlong> simion314: had you used chown ? to change the owner?   ls -lh /home/simion314 or whatever it is to show who owns it
[14:35] <Bauldrick> ?
[14:35] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Binary.
[14:36] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Basically - a very, very crude package manager that updates only files that have changed.
[14:36] <WaltzingAlong> Bauldrick: and the process you had been using by which you could stream the files?
[14:36] <simion314> w it works, sorry
[14:37] <Bauldrick> they're sat on a debian box, i would just search to the file and click on it to view... normally
[14:37] <simion314> i used sudo and thats why it do not work, so strange this message errors, it said permision denied and the file was in fact not executable, thx foe all, grath comunity
[14:39] <Bauldrick> kaffeine gives eror... xine: cannot find input plugin for MRL
[14:44] <WaltzingAlong> Bauldrick: so what changed?
[14:44] <WaltzingAlong> Bauldrick: package updates? permission changes?
[14:44] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: apitude finished, still get error when trying to install. Reran sudo aptitude -f install with output as of http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45556/
[14:45] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: it alls seems good http://dot.kde.org/1195678280/
[14:45] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: ok so looks like there were no errors, right? now what did you wish to install?
[14:46] <Bauldrick> by the looks of things its this bug, although I didnt see it way back then. Has it been fixed... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kaffeine/+bug/85049
[14:47] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Whee - my first Dot article! Many thanks :)
[14:48] <konrad> Last try was the java firefox plugin, but I also get errors with KMyMoney
[14:48] <konrad> kpat also gives the same error
[14:49] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: published, sorry for the delay
[14:50] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: No problem at all; thanks for sorting this for me :)
[14:50] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: ok so which error when attempting to install kmymoney? sudo aptitude install kmymoney2         ? feel free to pastebin the errors
[14:51] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: Hmmm... then I get a message saying that the program is already installed... Weird
[14:52] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: ok and about flash? sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
[14:54] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: "Nothing to install, upgrade or remove". sudo aptitude install kpat installs as expected though.
[14:54] <cs__> that is VERY strange
[14:54] <cs__> there is no fglrx.ko in /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/misc and volatile
[14:54] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: and results of aptitude show flashplugin-nonfree ?
[14:55] <cs__> this is probably the killer of my opengl :(
[14:55] <nosrednaekim> cs__: how did you install your driver?
[14:55] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: sudo aptitude install j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin seems to be getting me somewhere
[14:55] <cs__> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide manual method
[14:56] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: using kubuntu 7.10 (gutsy gibbon) ?
[14:56] <cs__> i'm down to the 'Check that fglrx.ko has been created' step
[14:56] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: yes
[14:57] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: and what were the results of            aptitude show flashplugin-nonfree        in konsole?
[14:58] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: And as for show flashplugin it says installed. I can send it to the pastebin if you can cope with the Swedish :)
[14:59] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45557/
[14:59] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree      said nothing installed, removed, or so on because the requested package was already installed. if the requested package had not existed (in available repositories) there would have been the same message plus a line about package not being found. hence asking for aptitude show package
[15:00] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: ok thanks. so far so good it seems
[15:00] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: So basicly I might just be getting random error messages from Adept but the programs still gets installed?
[15:01] <konrad> Flash is working now
[15:01] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: ah no. just that it would have told you nothing was installed or removed, just running the show made it clear that the package was available (and in your case installed as well)
[15:02] <nosrednaekim> cs_: are you instaling the 8.42 ot 7.11 drivers?
[15:03] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: with aptitude install nonfree-flashplugin for example, aptitude show give the summary: 0 upgraded, 0 new installed, 0 to remove, and 0 not upgraded but it also would have a line about not finding the package. (perhaps that one line gets hidden among the rest, is what i meant)
[15:04] <manuel_> hi
[15:04] <manuel_> i have an crypted home part can this cause trouble wehn i upgrade to gusty?
[15:05] <nosrednaekim> manuel_: not if you just upgeade and don't do a fresh install
[15:05] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: Yes but in the case of KMyMoney it was not installed on my computer. I then try to install with adept, which results in an error saying installation failed. I then run aptitude which says nothing to do because program already installed.
[15:06] <manuel_> ok thx
[15:06] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: well the package name is kmymoney2 .try in adept again now
[15:07] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: Adept shows it as installed now after running aptituse
[15:07] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: ok perhaps aptitude -f install / apt-get -f install   took care of it
[15:07] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: Yes, that could be it
[15:08] <WaltzingAlong> which as far as i know adept manager cannot do
[15:11] <konrad> WaltzingAlong: Thanks a lot for all help!
[15:11] <WaltzingAlong> konrad: glad you got it working!
[15:12] <ZenFish> Hi...I'm having a spot of trouble with dolphin. The menus on either side where it says 'bookmarks' and 'information' - when I mouseover them, they flicker on and off. I can still use them, but it's bugging me. Is there anything I can do?
[15:12] <konrad> Still got to figure out Java in Firefox (on AMD64) - usually a pain in other distros.
[15:12] <WaltzingAlong> flash is 32bit only, you should look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava | konrad
[15:14] <konrad> Tnx again!
[15:14] <stdin> WaltzingAlong: copy cat :p
[15:14] <risto> how i can extract http://codeigniter.com/ zip file ?
[15:14] <WaltzingAlong> maybe a bit though i updated it now
[15:15] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[15:15] <WaltzingAlong> !info ark | risto
[15:15] <ubotu> risto: ark: graphical archiving tool for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 294 kB, installed size 1016 kB
[15:16] <weenus> /whoami
[15:16] <WaltzingAlong> stdin: but thanks all the same.
[15:16] <guy> hello guys - i need help - i have kubuntu 7.04 and whenever i shut it down - it doesn't shut down it just shows the word kubuntu in black. what should i do?
[15:17] <risto> whem i choose Archive Format 7-zip then i dosent' extract
[15:17] <genii> !7zip
[15:17] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[15:17] <WaltzingAlong> risto: is the archive a 7z format or just normal .zip ?
[15:17] <WaltzingAlong> !info unzip | risto
[15:18] <ubotu> risto: unzip: De-archiver for .zip files. In component main, is optional. Version 5.52-10ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 150 kB, installed size 340 kB
[15:18] <cs__> fglrxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[15:18] <cs__> wee.
[15:18] <cs__> fglrx.ko doesn't want to show up =\
[15:18] <WaltzingAlong> cs__ the guide you are following covers that as well, does it not?
[15:19] <cs__> yes, though there is no solution provided to make fglrx.ko exist
[15:19] <cs__> just symlinks :S
[15:19] <cs__> of files that don't exist
[15:19] <cs__> (and doing the libgl symlink gives Mesa GL again)
[15:20] <WaltzingAlong> cs__: so you need to remove package libgl1-mesa ?
[15:20] <cs__> it's not installed
[15:20] <WaltzingAlong> so  /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/misc/fglrx.ko never gets created?
[15:21] <cs__> no
[15:21] <cs__> infact, there's no misc/ directory in there either
[15:22] <cs__> hmm fglrx.ko suddenly appeared in the volatile folder
[15:22] <cs__> that wasn't there before :S
[15:22]  * cs__ does that symlink step again
[15:22] <WaltzingAlong> well it *is* volatile afterall
[15:24] <WaltzingAlong> muhahah ;D
[15:24]  * genii thinks about the volatility of ATI
[15:24] <soon> I'm using Konversation - In the Identity window (under server list) I've got the field 'Auto identity' set to just 'NickServ' (and the password in the next field obviously) - but it dont work
[15:24] <soon> Should it be something other than just 'NickServ' ??
[15:24] <Tm_T> wenus: you really should not have that kind of nickchanges
[15:25] <cs__> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Talk:Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide#still_Mesa hrm
[15:25] <WaltzingAlong> soon: it is just NickServ here. have you already registered with nickserv?
[15:26] <soon> yes - and If I use the regular /msg NickServ IDENTIFY password from the dialogue here it works fine
[15:26] <stdin> soon: you can just put your nickserv password in as the server password
[15:27] <stdin> just make sure you set your username to your nickname
[15:27] <wenus> Tm_T It is a cry for help. I am very irritated with the registration process not working. I put in ? /msg NIckServ IDENTIFY mypassword and then says "password incorrect"
[15:27] <Tm_T> wenus: not an excuse to misbehaviour
[15:27] <WaltzingAlong> wenus: /msg nickserv register
[15:28] <soon> Ill just try that ...
[15:28] <soon> jep - it worked thx stdin
[15:28] <stdin> soon: no problem :)
[15:29] <cs__> this mesa issue i'm having is new in the 7.11 driver
[15:30] <wenus> How do I tell if I'm registered? I put in /register "password" and no error came up
[15:30] <wenus> for once
[15:30] <jack111> hey, i've got the problem that in sent mails in kmails e.g. italics or paragraph actuallyall formatting disappears, is there a way to use that with kmail?
[15:30] <WaltzingAlong> wenus: check in the status window. if you are registered then /msg nickserv identify password
[15:30] <funcrush> I can't install build-essential cuz my system request a cd-rom, Gutsy Gibbon
[15:31] <WaltzingAlong> funcrush: remove the reference to the cd in the sources.list or through manage repositories in adept manager
[15:31] <BluesKaj> wenus, try a PM with someone in the channel...if you're registered it will connect
[15:31] <Jucato> funcrush: in Adept Manger, go to Adetp menu -> Manage Repositories and disable the cdrom repository
[15:31] <funcrush> yup thank you!!
[15:32] <wenus> where's the status window?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> !register | wenus
[15:32] <ubotu> wenus: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[15:32] <funcrush> thank you, I resolve that problem
[15:33] <BluesKaj> wenus, then you haven't registered properly
[15:33] <WaltzingAlong> wenus: Ubuntu IRC ?
[15:33] <pag> wenus, I thing you have to ask for a staffer to drop that nick for you, since it's already registered (though owner had not been around for more than a year)
[15:33] <wenus> query ubuto
[15:34]  * cs__ sighs
[15:34] <cs__> i'm going back to winblows
[15:34] <cs__> i give up on this ati issue
[15:34] <jack111> hi, can anyone help?
[15:34] <jack111> i've got the problem that in sent mails in kmails e.g. italics or paragraph actuallyall formatting disappears, is there a way to use that with kmail?
[15:34] <Norgur> metaquestion
[15:35] <wenus> I've been here http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration and copied and pasted the commands using gaim and kopete clients and it still doesn't work.
[15:35] <WaltzingAlong> wenus: it could be that someone else registered the nick already - so you cannot register it and do not know the password to it
[15:36] <BluesKaj> poor cs_  , there goes another ATI victim back to windows :/
[15:36] <stdin> weenus5000: it was registered, but hasn't been used in over a year so you can ask a staffer to drop it for you
[15:36] <draik> Hello all
[15:36] <ptath> Hello, I have just recently changed to KDE from Gnome. There are two things I am missing: 1)  ability to open a new session  keeping the current working directory 2) URL handler able to work from the text in the terminal window. Any advice?
[15:37] <stdin> ptath: KMenu -> Switch User
[15:37] <draik> Quick question. I just plugged in my new 500GB external HDD. I got the following error: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[15:37] <WaltzingAlong> jack111: kmail / options / html formatting, then bold and such still are not sent?
[15:38] <WaltzingAlong> draik: right mouse click the device, properties, then uncheck 'mount as user'
[15:38] <ptath> stdin: i was talking about konsole sessions not login sessions
[15:39] <stdin> ptath: ohh, session > new shell  not working?
[15:39] <WaltzingAlong> ptath: to launch konsole from konqueror with F4 would keep the current working directory
[15:40] <ardchoille> ptath: For your question number 2)  try this: kfmclient exec file  (where file can be a file on your system or an url like http://www.google.com)
[15:40] <stdin> ptath: you can also use bookmarks to open a shell at a specific location
[15:40] <draik> Thank you WaltzingAlong
[15:41] <ptath> WaltzingAlong: thanks but I want to start the new session form the konsole
[15:41] <jack111> WaltzingAlong: hey, where do i check that if the option is ticked? i have only settings there and cannot really find it ..just looked through all
[15:42] <ptath> stdin: bookmarks are not felxible enough for this
[15:42] <jack111> WaltzingAlong: hey i found in the folders...prefer html to plain text..thats it i guess?
[15:43] <WaltzingAlong> ptath: good question. if you did the f4 through konqueror then each subsequent session within konsole would start in the same working dir
[15:45] <ptath> ardchoille: thanks for kfmclient, it is kind of half solution but is better than nothing
[15:45] <naelr_> good morning
[15:45] <cuco> has anyone tested the 4.0 rc1 packages on 7.10?
[15:45] <naelr_> looking for some help with kubuntu on my new laptop
[15:46] <Tm_T> cuco: yes many of us
[15:46] <WaltzingAlong> cuco: yes
[15:46] <naelr_> it installs fine but will not boot
[15:46] <ardchoille> ptath: It simply uses the file association to launch the file in the associated app
[15:46] <cuco> anything special that will mess up completely my machine?
[15:46] <ptath> WaltzingAlong: re f4 from  konqueror : interesting, unfortunately I don't really use file browsing, i am a cmdline type, will try anyway
[15:47] <WaltzingAlong> cuco: kde4rc1 does not replace your kde3.5.x so you can use both or one and apps from the other
[15:47] <cuco> is it possible to run a full session?
[15:47] <WaltzingAlong> cuco: yes
[15:48] <cuco> WaltzingAlong: yes yes... but do the new packages requier something that may mess up?
[15:48] <risto> waltzubg
[15:48] <risto> waltzing
[15:48] <WaltzingAlong> cuco: na just follow the guide at www.kubuntu.org
[15:48] <Tm_T> hi risto
[15:48] <WaltzingAlong> risto: still with the zip?
[15:48] <risto> yea
[15:48] <risto> normal zip
[15:49] <ptath>  WaltzingAlong: re f4 from  konqueror :  it does not work either, the working dir ins not inherited
[15:49] <risto> i dont no why i cant open it with ark
[15:49] <Naelr> does anyone have any idea how to get my HD recognized by the boot up process I end up in a busybox everytime I try to boot
[15:49] <cuco> WaltzingAlong: any ubuntu rebranding, or stock kde4 packages?
[15:49] <WaltzingAlong> would be kubuntu rebranding i suppose but as far as i know kde4 built for kubuntu
[15:50]  * Tm_T slaps MPat 
[15:50] <WaltzingAlong> ptath: for example when browsing with konqueror to ~/downloads then pressing F4 brings up konsole which starts in ~/downloads
[15:51] <stdin> cuco: it's pretty much stock kde4
[15:51] <Naelr> can someone suggest a channel that might be able to help me?
[15:51] <ptath> ardchoille: yes I understand, just read the manual. in gnome terminal you can open a menu with right click on any url no need for copy-paste
[15:51] <WaltzingAlong> risto: so what do you think is the issue? i just downloaded that zip through konqueror/kget then clicked on it in konqueror which opened it in ark. now i could extract it all
[15:51] <dm> Hello. Any idea how to persuade kmail to respect my umask of 0022 when saving attachments?
[15:52] <Tm_T> lol
[15:52] <stdin> cuco: in fact, I don't think we apply a single patch
[15:52] <Tm_T> (test)
[15:52] <risto> i dont no mine thinks its docx file
[15:52] <cuco> stdin: sweet
[15:52] <ardchoille> ptath: You can do that in konsole too, use klipper and enable actions. Then right click on a url pops up the actions and asks what you want to do with the url.
[15:52] <cuco> stdin: are you using an intel based video card by any chance?
[15:52] <stdin> yeah
[15:53] <ardchoille> ptath: I use klipper actions quite a bit in irssi
[15:53] <blendtux> Uptime: 1 days, 7 hours and 28 minutes
[15:53] <stdin> cuco: "Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)"
[15:53] <blendtux> wrong channel
[15:53] <cuco> stdin: tested the kwin effects? when i tried it on svn a few months ago, it did nothing on my machine
[15:53] <Naelr> can anyone even see me ?
[15:54] <ardchoille> Naelr: Yes
[15:54] <Naelr> perhaps they have naelr filter set to on....
[15:54] <ardchoille> hehe
[15:54] <Naelr> oh I am alive .. this isn't a dream
[15:54] <cuco> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[15:54] <stdin> cuco: it works if you don't choose OpenGL
[15:54] <ptath> WaltzingAlong: f4, yes I tried, it works first, but it does not keep the work dir subsequently,
[15:54] <stdin> lemme see if I can find the config
[15:54] <Naelr> so no answer means we don't know... :D
[15:54] <weenus5000> ptath; if you're using konqueror you're in gui context so another way that you might want to make the console always available is to go to settings -> configure toolbar->main toolbar move konsole to active so it will come up on the menu and can be activated in what ever context that you are in in konqueror
[15:54] <WaltzingAlong> ptath: right it will always be the one from which f4 was pressed
[15:55] <ardchoille> Naelr: Or it means the person(s) who do know are either away or not in the channel
[15:55] <ptath> ardchoille: re klipper: I will try it, never used before
[15:56] <ardchoille> ptath: klipper has lots of actions for different apps and content. copying text to the clipboard can trigger certain actions.. makes using the cli much easier.
[15:56] <Naelr> ardcholille: i figured that one.. it was the people who are here and don't say sorry sir perhaps so and so might know but he is not on right now.  This problem has been kicking my butt for going on 5 days now.. no help in forums so went looking for live people
[15:58] <Naelr> ardchoille: don't suppose you know of a good ubunutu or even just linux channel where people might know some good stuff about busybox and why my hd isn't being detected on reboot
[15:58] <ignoramus> Hello all.  I need your help- KNetworkManager no longer automatically connects to my wifi - and there's an entry listed as "hpsetup" ... any help?
[15:58] <ardchoille> Naelr: The problem with that is you'd end up having 380 replies of "I don't know".. that'd be annoying.
[15:58] <ardchoille> Naelr: #linux ?
[15:59] <bucatoamano> mm i have  a problem -,.- i have tryed to install kde4 but it said it has some problme with dowloading kde4core
[15:59] <bucatoamano> where can i download that package
[16:00] <ignoramus> bucatoamano: what exactly did the error say?
[16:00] <draik> I have my / and ~ on two separate partitions. How can I merge them into one partition?
[16:00] <bucatoamano> ignoramus: just a second a redo
[16:01] <bucatoamano> ignoramus: There was an error committing changes. Possible reasons include problems downloading some of the packages or that the commit would break other packages.
[16:01] <ignoramus> bucatoamano: did you try " sudo apt-get -f install " ?
[16:01] <bucatoamano> ignoramus: i think yes but i re.try now
[16:02] <stdin> cuco: having something like this in ~/.kde4/share/config/kwinrc should work http://stdin.pastebin.com/m65a121d1
[16:03] <cuco> stdin: XRender? wow... lame... how is the performance?
[16:03] <bucatoamano> ignoramus: naa =( it said trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/share/icons/oxygen/64x64/actions/knewstuff.png', which is also in package kde-icons-oxygen
[16:03] <stdin> cuco: it's fine, I could never get the OpenGL backend to work so I tried XRender and it magically worked :p
[16:03] <ignoramus> bucatoamano: have you tried compiling from sources?
[16:04] <stdin> cuco: no noticeable lag that I saw
[16:04] <bucatoamano> ignoramus: no i have read this http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[16:04] <cuco> stdin: well, i will try tonight probably
[16:05] <stdin> cuco: if you're lucky I'll have kdeutils, kdetoys and kdenetwork uploaded by then
[16:05] <ignoramus> bucatoamano: and you've installed all the dev packages?
[16:06] <stdin> bucatoamano: remove ALL the old package FIRST
[16:06] <bucatoamano> ignoramus: i have done only this sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace and kde4base-dev.
[16:06] <stdin> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php <
[16:06] <bucatoamano> ignoramus: i have done only this sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace  kde4base-dev.
[16:06] <funcrush> http://funcrush.tistory.com/77            is this wrong?
[16:06] <weenus5000> for anyone: I'm a Ubunutu user but for the heavy lifting I rely on konqueror because it supports just about every protocol I can think of fish, webdav http https bluetooth samba, I can copy a picture from my cellphone to my server across the internet. I'd like to see Windows explorer do that!
[16:06] <stdin> bucatoamano: wrong
[16:06] <surgy> how do you extract a tgz.gz ?
[16:06] <bucatoamano> stdin: but omg i have read this http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[16:06] <ignoramus> bucatoamano: please follow *every* step and try again
[16:07] <ptath> ardchoille: re klipper: that works - thanks; do you have any idea about keeping the working directory?
[16:07] <stdin> bucatoamano: that's beta3, that's old. we're at RC1 now
[16:07] <ardchoille> ptath: Working directory? Please explain
[16:07] <stdin> surgy: with ark
[16:07] <weenus5000> surgy  first you do tar xzvf filename.gz
[16:07] <ardchoille> weenus5000: It works like that because konqueror is simply a shell for other modules
[16:08] <ignoramus> surgy: with Ark or tar xvf filename.tar
[16:08] <surgy> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[16:08] <surgy> tar: Child returned status 1
[16:08] <bucatoamano> stdin: ignoramus ok thank i will read http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php =)
[16:08] <Risto> how i can extract with unzip command ?
[16:09] <ardchoille> Risto: unzip filename
[16:09] <stdin> Risto: unzip filename.zip
[16:09] <Risto> unzip <filename>?
[16:09] <ptath> ardchoille: when i open a new (terminal) session from konsole I'd like to keep the current working directory of the root (initial) konsole
[16:09] <surgy> weenus5000: ark says its not a zip
[16:09] <Risto> hhe got to work :D
[16:10] <Risto> ty for all
[16:10] <stdin> surgy: try just using "tar xvf filename"
[16:10] <ardchoille> ptath: I've not done that before, sounds like bookmarks or saving a session, not sure.
[16:10] <ignoramus> surgy: you can download rar, 7zip, etc to simply right-click and extract other types of compressed files
[16:11] <Risto> is there flash plugin for konqueror?
[16:11] <surgy> stdin: i tryed that
[16:11] <ardchoille> stdin: We no longer need the z or j (gz or bzip) in the arguments?
[16:11] <ptath> ardchoille: like bookmarks, but more dynamic; gnome-terminal always works this way -- make more sense than going $HOME
[16:11] <surgy> Risto: libflash-nonfree
[16:12] <stdin> ardchoille: tar will normally autodetect the type
[16:12] <ardchoille> ptath: Ah, yeah, ok
[16:12] <ignoramus> risto: for further documentation -------> http://freebsd.kde.org/howtos/konqueror-flash.php
[16:12] <ardchoille> stdin: Nice, ty
[16:13] <surgy> stdin the extension is just .tgz which is weird to me, and ark doesnt know how to handle it
[16:13] <ardchoille> Wow, it went from "tar -xzf file.gz" to "tar xzf file.gz" to tar xf file.gz", the arguments are getting easier to remember :)
[16:13] <stdin> surgy: tgz is short for tar.gz, usually used by slackware
[16:13] <surgy> stdin: ok
[16:14] <ignoramus> surgy: and tar xvzf filename.tgz didn't work?
[16:14] <surgy> nope
[16:14] <ignoramus> surgy: dumb question- you did "cd" to the proper directory, yes?
[16:15] <surgy> ignoramus: of course.......
[16:15] <ignoramus> surgy: ya never know... last week I troubleshot sound issues with a guy for 20 minutes before he discovered he had muted it =)
[16:16] <BluesKaj> surgy, tar -xzvf filename.tgz
[16:16] <surgy> lol
[16:16] <surgy> well i spent 9 hours on this project last night just to find out i couldnt unzip the last file i need
[16:17] <BluesKaj> err , tar -xvzf filname.tar.gz
[16:17] <surgy> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[16:17] <surgy> tar: Child returned status 1
[16:17] <surgy> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[16:17] <stdin> surgy: bad file
[16:17] <surgy> cant be
[16:17] <surgy> :(
[16:18] <ignoramus> surgy: do you have either Rar or 7Zip installed - sometimes theyre helpful...
[16:18] <ardchoille> If stdin says it's a bad file, then I would believe him
[16:18] <WaltzingAlong> file file.tgz
[16:18] <ardchoille> Bad file, bad file!
[16:18] <surgy> surgy@derek:~/Desktop$ file GSsoft-0.61.tgz
[16:18] <surgy> GSsoft-0.61.tgz: POSIX tar archive (GNU)
[16:18] <ardchoille> :)
[16:19] <stdin> it's not tgz, it's TAR
[16:19] <stdin> heh
[16:19] <surgy> its the only file that has this software that im aware of
[16:19] <surgy> stdin: so?
[16:19] <WaltzingAlong> tar xfv GSsof-0.61.tgz
[16:19] <stdin> surgy: mv GSsoft-0.61.tgz GSsoft-0.61.tar; tar xf GSsoft-0.61.tar
[16:19] <WaltzingAlong> or that first ^^
[16:20] <stdin> I'm not sure if tar detects my magic or filename, so rename to tar
[16:20] <surgy> rawks thnx guys
[16:22] <WaltzingAlong> i thought tar knew what to do because of tar z for gzip and j for bz2
[16:22] <ardchoille> WaltzingAlong: NEwer versions of tar should have detected that
[16:22] <ardchoille> I guess it's not perfect yet
[16:23] <stdin> ardchoille: it probably looks at the file extension
[16:23] <WaltzingAlong> course if we tell tar to extract through gzip though the file is not gzipped should tar ignore our request?
[16:24]  * genii thinks about the magic tricks stdin could do with tar
[16:24] <stdin> no, options are explicit
[16:24] <stdin> tar expects the user to be smarter than it is :p
[16:25] <ardchoille> lol
[16:26] <dan__> help, i cant seem to make tremulous or google earth to work in my 7.04. when i try to run them it goes back to login screen badabing
[16:28] <surgy> well
[16:28] <surgy> i need help with pcsx2 but this is the wrong place.
[16:28] <dan__> a lot of people seem to be asleep?
[16:29] <dan__> ok,can anybody pls tell me why im brought back to log in screen when i try to run tremulous or google earth?
[16:30] <SSJ_GZ> dan__: Sounds like a crash, I'm afraid :/
[16:30] <SSJ_GZ> dan__: Let me guess - ATI card?
[16:30] <dan__> ok nvidia geforce 64
[16:30] <Risto> what was the widget engine for KDE ?
[16:30] <dan__> very old
[16:31] <Risto> i got to geforce 440 64mb
[16:31] <dan__> i run a pentium 3 with 256 mb ram and 4 gigs of hard disk
[16:31] <SSJ_GZ> dan__: Hmmm... not sure then.  What about something simple like glxgears?
[16:31] <SSJ_GZ> dan__: Wow!
[16:32] <dan__> but i was able to run trem on dapper then
[16:32] <biovore> Risto: widget engine is QT3.3 I think for KDE 3.5.x
[16:32] <dan__> hehe ok maybe not 4 gig - its 30
[16:32] <dan__> !glxgears
[16:33] <ubotu> To display the FPS in glxgears, run 'glxgears -printfps' in a terminal.
[16:34] <dan__> SSJ_GZ: could you tell me what you meant?
[16:34] <SSJ_GZ> dan__: Oh - open a terminal, and run
[16:34] <SSJ_GZ> glxgears
[16:34] <SSJ_GZ> dan__: and see if it crashes at all.
[16:35] <SSJ_GZ> dan__: Obviously, save your work first :)
[16:36] <dan__> ok the gears are turning blue green and red
[16:36] <dan__> i meant they were turning aroound
[16:37] <SSJ_GZ> dan__: Ok, so your comp can run a 3d app without crashing - that's good news
[16:37] <SSJ_GZ> dan__: Not really sure what to suggest from here - I was expecting that to crash :/
[16:38] <dan__> sigh...thanks for trying tho
[16:38] <ardchoille> sounds like tremulous and google earth are crashing xorg
[16:39] <dan__> im really a nub been switching back and forth - winxp - dapper - winxp - feisty
[16:39] <dan__> this is the first time i wasnt able to run trem
[16:40] <dan__> man i love that game
[16:40] <dan__> imho best ever fps (aside from cs)
[16:40] <ardchoille> dan__: nvidia geforce 64 ? Not geforce go 6400?
[16:41] <dan__> yep the first one 64 - and a pentium 3 with 256 mb of pc100 ram
[16:42] <ardchoille> dan__: I don't even see that card listed on nvidia's list
[16:42] <combinio> how can i record radio ?? :]
[16:42] <dan__> ? meaning not existing or not supported? well its here
[16:43] <biovore> combinio: internet radio you mean?
[16:43] <ardchoille> dan__: Meaning not supported
[16:43] <combinio> biovore: yeap :)
[16:43] <biovore> gstreamripper works I think
[16:43] <dan__> thats strange tho for it not to run in 7.04 when it ran trem in dapper
[16:43] <biovore> there are programs
[16:43] <ardchoille> dan__: How did you get the model of that card? lspci | grep vga  ?
[16:43] <biovore> !gstreamripper
[16:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gstreamripper - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:43] <biovore> I guess thats not it..
[16:44] <combinio> biovore: i've already installed streamripper
[16:44] <dan__> that command didnt do anything
[16:44] <combinio> but don't know how to use it :/
[16:44] <ardchoille> dan__: Sorry, it's: lspci | grep VGA
[16:45] <dan__> oops my bad
[16:45] <dan__> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev b2)
[16:45] <ardchoille> Thought so
[16:46] <dan__> sorry
[16:46] <ardchoille> np :)
[16:46] <dan__> :)
[16:46] <ardchoille> dan__: That card requires the legacy nvidia driver. Did you install it?
[16:47] <dan__> not yet
[16:47] <ardchoille> dan__: Want me to walk you thru it?
[16:47] <surgy> theres a gui for that now
[16:48] <ardchoille> surgy: I realise that but that gui has broken things on lots of computers
[16:48] <dan__> ill try to spare you the trouble ;)
[16:48] <ardchoille> dan__: It's no trouble, let me know if you want me to help :)
[16:48] <surgy> ardchoille: i was unaware worked fine on mine :)
[16:48] <ardchoille> surgy: You're lucky
[16:49] <dan__> alright - ill tell when im desperate lol
[16:49] <ardchoille> ok
[16:52] <nchung> !compiz
[16:52] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[16:54] <loguser1> while upgradeing to 7.10 http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/8529/snapshot4ao3.jpg
[16:56] <ardchoille> loguser1: Did you try upgrading by manually editing your sources list and dist-upgrade?
[16:56] <loguser1> no
[16:57] <ardchoille> loguser1: Ok, then you need to install the required meta-package. It's usually installed by default and sounds like you may have removed it.
[16:58] <NetersLandreau> if the window decorator crashes in compiz, what's the easiest way to restart it?
[16:58] <loguser1> ic..
[16:58] <loguser1> name?
[16:58] <ardchoille> NetersLandreau: join #compiz-fusion
[16:58] <NetersLandreau> thx
[16:59] <ardchoille> loguser1: you using kubuntu? If so, you should install the kubuntu-desktop meta-package
[16:59] <_michael> hello is there a way when dual booting to get lilo to when booting linux show the existance of the windows drive, but when windows boots for it to not know the linux drive even exists?
[16:59] <loguser1> ya
[16:59] <loguser1> ok
[17:01] <stdin> _michael: windows only recognises windows formatted partitions (FAT and NTFS), anything else it ignores
[17:01] <sandsmark> _michael: firstly, Kubuntu comes with GRUB as default
[17:02] <sandsmark> _michael: secondly, GRUB chainloads Windows, so it thinks it's started by the BIOS
[17:03] <_michael> sandsmark: I know but I had to install lilo to get it to boot it was available as an alternative
[17:03] <loguser1> what are pre released updates.?  is it important to check it while upgrading or updating.
[17:04] <_michael> My biggest concern is that a virus that may format the drive woudl come on windows and with the linux drive connected it may be formatted. Is that a valid concern or is it impossible?
 i installed nvidia legacy
[17:07] <sandsmark> _michael: highly unprobably
[17:07] <sandsmark> *probable
[17:08] <sandsmark> _michael: there's been maybe two proof-of-concept viruses that could spread between different types of partitions in windows
[17:10] <loguser1> what are pre released updates.?  is it important to check it while upgrading or updating.
[17:10]  * genii sips a coffee
[17:11] <_michael> Well that is a relief, but do you know I can edit lilo.conf and add an option to the windows entry blocking it from knowing about a second drive? maybe something like "ignore hda" (as windows will be the slave drive)
[17:16] <ardchoille> dan__: Good job! Is the game working now?
[17:16] <ardchoille> Morning genii
[17:16] <wightstraker> I just upgraded from 7.04 to 7.10 on a ppc, and now my kmix won't work at all; I'm getting now sound. Any advice?
[17:16] <wightstraker> *no
[17:16] <ardchoille> !sound
[17:17] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[17:17] <bazhang> wightstraker: on a laptop? open up konsole and type alsamixer
[17:17] <dan__> series of errors
[17:17] <wightstraker> Not a laptop
[17:17] <wightstraker> Old lamp imac
[17:18] <dan__> i am editing xord.conf
[17:18] <wightstraker> ARTS is running too
[17:18] <loguser1> whats expected that ubuntu will maintain its updating. or will exist in self and in support and in making kubuntu.             for how many years more   ????
[17:18] <ardchoille> dan__: ok
[17:18] <_michael> A second question if I were to do a full upgrade in adept followed by a version upgrade would I lose ANY of my current configurations (even aethetic preferences?) or would I turn on the system and everything would be displayed as I had before with only "under the hood" changes?
[17:18] <genii> ardchoille: Hiya :) Sorry for lag, giving assistance in #ubuntu plus also trying to eat lunch
[17:18] <ardchoille> :)
[17:19] <ardchoille> _michael: your personal configs are in your $HOME, usually upgrades don't touch those unless absolutely necessary
[17:20] <wightstraker> I put alsmixer through the terminal and got this: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[17:20] <wightstraker> *alsamixer
[17:20] <niels__> ubotu: !adept crash frix
[17:20] <niels__> ubotu: !adept crash fix
[17:20] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[17:21] <ardchoille> loguser1: With the increasing use of certain Linux distros, I would guess they will be around for quite some time
[17:21] <_michael> ardchoille: Thanks and I'm running off the backup kernel know if I upgrade the kernel again will it remove by current backup kernel?
[17:21] <dan__> brb ardchoille need to free up resources - thanks in advance
[17:21] <loguser1> ardchoille:  about how many years?
[17:21] <ardchoille> _michael: No, you'll ned to remove kernels manually. But, it's good to keep the last three kernels just in case, IMHO.
[17:22] <ardchoille> loguser1: No one knows the future. 10 years from now a different OS maybe gaining popularity. Who knows.
[17:23] <loguser1> hmm
[17:23] <_michael> ardchoille: Great but in the upgrade will it only upgrade the packages I have installed or will it install all the packages in the new kubuntu-desktop (for example I don't need bluetooth support so I removed it along with other things), and I would have to remove then all over again?
[17:23] <loguser1> are disrtros converatable?
[17:24] <ardchoille> loguser1: There's no guarantee that you or I will be alive 10 years from now.
[17:24] <loguser1> but there is probabilty
[17:24] <loguser1> are disrtros converatable?
[17:24] <ardchoille> _michael: I'm not sure how upgrades work exactly, I never upgrade.
[17:24] <ardchoille> loguser1: What do you mean by convertible?
[17:25] <wightstraker> I opened gnome-alsamixer and I get a blank window. When I go to the "configure soundcard" menus, it crashes. Still no sound...please advise!
[17:25] <_michael> ardchoille: Thank you :)
[17:25] <loguser1> i use ubuntu. its stops. now i have apps installed i upgrade but to another distro
[17:25] <bucatoamano> =( kde4 i have made everythings but.... now when i try to log on it cames back to loggin window
[17:25] <awag> hello all
[17:25] <ardchoille> loguser1: No, I don't see that ever happening.
[17:25] <bazhang> loguser1: no, you need to do afresh install
[17:26] <loguser1> k
[17:26] <loguser1> atleast linux reamisn same
[17:26] <ardchoille> loguser1: That is why I didn't choose "joe's Linux distro" as my main OS :)
[17:26] <loguser1> is there any major difference in linux comands in distros?
[17:26] <loguser1> ardchoille: :)
[17:26] <bazhang> loguser1: yes, quite a bit
[17:27] <loguser1> which one did you used?
[17:27] <ardchoille> loguser1: basically, most commands will be the same. The arguments may differe due to differing versions, but the commands will be the same for the most part
[17:27] <loguser1> which is the most long lasting forcast distro?
[17:27] <ardchoille> loguser1: I have used Ubuntu since 2004 and Kubuntu this year
[17:27] <ardchoille> Slackware is the oldest surviving distro to date
[17:28] <loguser1> ic
[17:28] <loguser1> and what do you think in future what will by/
[17:28] <loguser1> be*
[17:28] <bazhang> kubuntu of course
[17:28] <awag> lol
[17:28] <ardchoille> I try not to look too far ahead, there's enough in "today" to keep me busy :)
[17:28] <loguser1> bazhang:  ic.. :) serious ?
[17:29] <bazhang> loguser1: why not?
[17:29] <loguser1> ardchoille:  hmm
[17:29] <loguser1> bazhang:  ok
[17:29] <ardchoille> loguser1: I seriously doubt Kubuntu is going to die out
[17:29] <loguser1> ic
[17:29] <awag> yo, anyone ever have this problem? open office all of a sudden loads all it's windows without window decoration attached... all other programs have window decor
[17:29] <loguser1> ya. its very fast growing
[17:29] <loguser1> how to change user name and computer name in kubuntu?
[17:30] <awag> join #openoffice
[17:30] <awag> shit
[17:30] <awag> my bad
[17:30] <tlayton> is this the proper channel for kubuntu/kde4 rc1 question?
[17:32] <tlayton> both with beta3 and rc1, i'm getting the "cannot start kstartupconfig4"
[17:32] <Tech-Mike> is there another way to blacklist a driver, need rt73usb blocked
[17:33] <tlayton> kstartupconfig appears to be returning a value of 127
[17:34] <loguser1> tlayton:  yesif i got disconnected from internet during upgrade of kubuntu. will it resume of i have to dl is all over again?
[17:34] <loguser1> during upgrade if i got disconnected from internet during upgrade of kubuntu. will it resume of i have to dl is all over again?
[17:35] <bazhang> loguser1: if you don't delete the apt-cache
[17:35] <loguser1> i will resme
[17:40] <loguser1>  how to change user name and computer name in kubuntu?
[17:45] <antipetya> всем привет
[17:45] <antipetya> О_о
[17:46] <bazhang> !ru | antipetya
[17:46] <ubotu> antipetya: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[17:46] <antipetya> !ru
[17:46] <Bucatino> :) thanks gusy i  am in kde4
[17:46] <Bucatino> *guys
[17:47] <bazhang> antipetya: first type /join #ubuntu-ru
[17:47] <antipetya> thx, done
[17:48] <yotux> hello can anyone help me figure out xorg problem on hp notebook
[17:58] <claetuss> anybody awake who wants to help with a missing-data-due-to-reinstall problem?
[18:00] <loguser1> i installed wine and then i just click a windows exe file and it began to run. isnt it dangeourous . i mean if i click a windows virus like that. it will destroy the pc. ?
[18:01] <biovore> loguser1: well it can kill everything that wine has access too.. aka your user account and files..  but the system is safe..
[18:02] <biovore> don't run wine as root..  for that reason..
[18:07] <supersonit> hola
[18:07] <supersonit> alguien puede echarme una mano?
[18:07] <claetuss> any filesystem gurus in here?
[18:07] <Jucato> !es | supersonit
[18:07] <ubotu> supersonit: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[18:07] <newguyss> hi, I get this message when trying to install some programs : the following packages have unresolvable dependencies, make sure that all required repositories are added and enabled.
[18:08] <newguyss> can some one please tell me how to add and enable all repositories for everything so I dont get this message again
[18:08] <claetuss> you using adept?
[18:08] <loguser1> i installed wine and then i just click a windows exe file and it began to run. isnt it dangeourous . i mean if i click a windows virus like that. it will destroy the pc. ?
[18:08] <newguyss> trying to install from the synaptic
[18:13] <jackpot_200111> hi
[18:14] <claetuss> any filesystem gurus yet?
[18:14] <Stilo> i installed the kde4 beta. When i log in i see a little window with the workspace. But it fills not my full screen. The rest is white. Where is the problem? The resolution?
[18:14] <emilsedgh> claetuss: im not a filesystem guru, but just ask your question :)
[18:16] <claetuss> word... I just reinstalled kubuntu (old habit from growing up on windows), mounted my home partition as home, now it shows that the drive has space taken up, but ls-al only shows the home folder auto created by installer
[18:16] <claetuss> and lost+found of course, both empty
[18:18] <claetuss> any thoughts on how I'm going to see my data again?
[18:21] <awag> are you sure it is mounted on home ?
[18:21] <claetuss> to the best of my knowledge
[18:21] <awag> what does df show?
[18:23] <claetuss> "/dev/sda6            288370844    204916 273517468   1% /home"
[18:23] <claetuss> among other things
[18:23] <loguser1> i installed wine and then i just click a windows exe file and it began to run. isnt it dangeourous . i mean if i click a windows virus like that. it will destroy the pc. ? if i have wine installed . how much should i worry about windows viruses. (iam a singer user in linux) and what can i do to prevent damage?
[18:24] <jbesiee> hi, i have exaclty the same problem as described here http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=95493&p=22 post 540 while trying to install kde 4 rc 1. I followed the instructions here,http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php and i don't know what to do now ...
[18:24] <Jucato> loguser1: you can ask in #winehq if viruses that are made for Windows will work on Linux. but biovore already gave you an answer
[18:25] <loguser1> biovore:  can you repeat pls
[18:25] <awag> claetuss, hmmm i'm not really to knowledgeable about things like this..
[18:26] <awag> claetuss, maybe a permissions problem?
[18:26] <claetuss> you'd think though, that the directory would be visible, just inaccessible, esp. as root, right?
[18:27] <fdoving>  claetuss that looks formatted. so your data is probably long gone.
[18:27] <awag> oh yeah, i didn't see that 1% use..
[18:28] <jbesiee> No one to help me ? ...
[18:28] <fdoving> claetuss: unless you have only around 200MB of data on it, which is unlikely i guess.
[18:29] <claetuss> awag/fdoving: yeah... poop. I don't remember formatting it. Thanks for the help though, it's appreciated
[18:29] <awag> yeah, that sucks man
[18:30] <loguser1> is there a way that i can stop wine to auto open an .exe (windows app)   instead i always have to open a windows exe file by konsole.  ?
[18:30] <claetuss> jbesiee: I'd try, except I don't speak french and the translator won't pick up on the colloquialisms
[18:30] <genii> loguser1: Perhaps ask in channel #winehq
[18:31] <awag> loguser1, if you go to properties of any file
[18:31] <awag> loguser1, in kde, you can set the defualt application used to open it
[18:31] <awag> loguser1, just remove all the applications from the default application for .exe files
[18:31] <awag> loguser1, which should only be wine
[18:32] <awag> loguser1, then even if you click on it i think it should ask you what you want to open it with
[18:34] <loguser1> yes. but there are many kings of viruses.    like          .bat   .scr          etc
[18:35] <jbesiee> claetuss : i'm going to revert back to english and make a pastebin
[18:36] <simion314> Hi, i have a problem , i instaleed crossover and install a program, all is ok except that the .exe fle are not asocieted to run with crossover, the .exe have now the crossover icon but i cannot run them, and the shortcuts to the installed software do not appear on descktop
[18:36] <claetuss> jb: not promising anything, I'm a bit of a noob myself, want to save yourself some effort and synopsize for me?
[18:37] <manuel_> hi
[18:37] <jbesiee> claetuss : what do you propose me to do ?
[18:37] <awag> loguser1, won't a virus run inder wine only cause problems within the wine folder and other wine related things
[18:37] <manuel_> i have upgraded to gusty now and kde has now shortcuts on my Email and mute key
[18:38] <claetuss> simion: can you find the installed software? if so, just click and drag to desktop and choose create link here (or whatever it says)
[18:38] <awag> loguser1, i'm pretty sure that is the case
[18:38] <manuel_> how can i delete these default shortcuts??
[18:38] <awag> loguser1, i don't think you need to worry about a windows virus coming and like deleting your home directory via wine
[18:38] <boeroe> can anybody tell me hwhere i can find an yahho mesenger for kubyntu
[18:38] <boeroe> yahoo messenger for kubyntu
[18:38] <loguser1> are you sure?
[18:39] <awag> loguser1, not positive
[18:40] <loguser1> k
[18:40] <Jucato> loguser1: why don't you ask in the right channel? in the channel that deals with wine
[18:40] <Jucato> boeroe: Kopete can handle (basic) Yahoo Messenger
[18:41] <claetuss> jb: what's the basic jist of your problem?
[18:41] <boeroe> oke have kopete but do not see how i can do it will try again
[18:42] <awag> loguser1, http://www.3000ad.com/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=000377#000000
[18:42] <jbesiee> apt-get seems lost after broken dependencies, even apt-get -f install don't complete
[18:42] <loguser1> thx
[18:43] <claetuss> jb: crap, i've been banging my head against that problem too, and you prob have a better understanding than I anyway
[18:44] <jbesiee> i think i solved it by commenting the falting repository in the /etc/apt/sources.list file, and then launching apt-get -f install
[18:45] <beata_> Hello. I've installed kUbuntu and removed "konqueror" and "hplip" packages after that. Now there's no option to pack/unpack a file with ark, when I right-click on an icon. I can open it with ark, which IS installed, but no option is in the menu :/
[18:45] <ubuntu> Hi, I wonder, I want to have a virtual machine, I'll use virtualbox, Can I decide on which parition I want to install it? Or do I have to install the guest OS at my main "/" partition?
[18:46] <claetuss> JB: YOU ROCK
[18:46] <claetuss> sorry for shouting
[18:46] <awag> ubuntu, you can put it anywhere you want i think
[18:47] <awag> ubuntu, you make a file, that acts as a virtual harddrive for your virtual machine
[18:47] <awag> just start up virtualbox, it more or less will tell you what to do i think
[18:47] <Jucato> ubuntu: by default it will install in a hidden .VirtualBox folder in your home
[18:48] <jbesiee> claetuss : thx :D
[18:48] <Jucato> ubuntu: you're not going to really install an OS on a real partition
[18:48] <awag> exactly
[18:48] <ubuntu> Jucato, Ok. But I can change it?
[18:48] <beroualm> hi all
[18:48] <beroualm> speak french ?
[18:48] <Jucato> ubuntu: yes
[18:48] <ubuntu> awag , :), but Im planning my partitioning
[18:48] <Jucato> !fr | beroualm
[18:48] <ubotu> beroualm: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[18:48] <beroualm> thank's
[18:48] <Jucato> ubuntu: it has nothing to do with partitions
[18:48] <jbesiee> Can anyone edit this page : http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php ? It seems you also have to remove the kde4base-data package before attempting an kde4 rc1 update
[18:49] <Jucato> jbesiee: it does say remove all kde4 beta packages right?
[18:49] <ubuntu> Jucato, oh :(, well, my goal is that if my XP parition gets a virus, it shouldn't be able to touch my "/" path
[18:49] <jbesiee> here is what is said : "Remove previous KDE 4 packages, they are not compatible (apt-get remove kdelibs5)"
[18:49] <awag> ubuntu, it won't work like that anyway
[18:49] <Jucato> ubuntu: it really won't
[18:50] <Jucato> ubuntu: again, you are not installing on a partition. think of a virtual machine as a big file that holds the OS
[18:50] <awag> ubuntu, the way it works to my knowledge, is that virtualbox will make a file that will act as a virtual harddrive, the entire disk
[18:50] <Jucato> it's just a file
[18:50] <jbesiee> it should be "Remove previous KDE 4 packages, they are not compatible (apt-get remove kdelibs5 kde4base-data )"
[18:50] <Jucato> stdin: ping
[18:50] <awag> ubuntu, anything that you do in virtualbox, with windows xp, will be contained in that one file
[18:50] <Jucato> stdin: re: what jbesiee said
[18:51] <ubuntu> awag, jucato, thanks. Can I decide to have that specific 'big file' on another partition? Or is that just unnessecary?
[18:52] <munk_> how can i get a microphone working with kopete? for a yahoo account?
[18:52] <Jucato> ubuntu: unnecessary unless you really *really* want to
[18:52] <maikel> espanñol alguien habla its my firts time
[18:52] <awag> ubuntu, but yeah if you want to, like for example, i had my virtualbox stuff on an entire different harddrive for a while, just because i didn't have space on my main drive
[18:52] <ubuntu> awag,jucato , I though to have 16 GB for my main parition (Im in live CD installing), but I shoiuld rather make it huger if I want to have a virtual machine on it, right?
[18:52] <Jucato> ubuntu: the thing is, it doesn't matter. virtual machines don't really mind your partitions
[18:52] <Jucato> ubuntu: yes
[18:53] <awag> ubuntu, how big is the drive?
[18:53] <Jucato> !es | maikel
[18:53] <ubotu> maikel: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[18:53] <ubuntu> awag. It's totally 160 GB,  I at very first thought to have a 16 GB and a ~20GB for the XP guest Virtual machine, but I should put those togehter, right?
[18:54] <awag> is the rest of your drive, other than swap going to be used as /home?
[18:54] <munk_> how can i get a microphone working with kopete? for a yahoo account?
[18:54] <ubuntu> awag, I have another drive jsut for legally downloaded stuff ;), I thought of it being 110 GB
[18:56] <awag> ubuntu, if you are going to mount a nice big partition on /home then you don't have to have a huge main partition, but i'd definately go with more than 16 gb
[18:56] <ubuntu> awag, hmm, 36 GB :)?, what do you think about that?
[18:57] <llutz> !version
[18:57] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[18:58] <awag> ubuntu, sure, is your home going to be on a different partition / drive though?
[18:59] <ubuntu> awag, No, I have my /home/ at the same partition Im installing Kubuntu, is that good/bad?
[18:59] <awag> oh, well in that case, make it way bigger
[19:00] <ubuntu> awag, /home/ ,I dont use that so much , do you? I thought it just was for some personal documents and such, I have all my media on the big partition
[19:00] <awag> ubuntu, for example, i have an 80 gb drive as my main drive mounted on / and then i have a 320 gb drive mounted on /home
[19:00] <awag> ubuntu, well yeah i did that at one point a few years ago, when i first tried to use linux, and then someone told me to do it this way
[19:01] <awag> see if you put all your important stuff in home, and have it so that home points to another disk or partition entirely
[19:01] <ubuntu> awag, did you see any improvement? I mean, was it worth it?
[19:01] <awag> well, the only thing is, if you want to reformat, and reinstall your OS
[19:01] <awag> you can reformat your / without touching your home
[19:03] <awag> and since alot of things automatically get saved to your home dir, if it is all safe on a separate partition you won't have to worry about trying to find your files to back up if you want to format
[19:04] <ubuntu> awag, what you say makes sense, but I keep it to less than 2-3 GB; I mean documents take no space right?
[19:04] <awag> yeah if thats all you use it for thats fine
[19:05] <ubuntu> awag, If I want it that way.... should I type the mount point: '/home/' in kparted?
[19:05] <ubuntu> awag, or wahtever that partitiion program that is in the installation program is labeled
[19:06] <awag> are you in the middle of an install on another machine right now?
[19:07] <ubuntu> in the middle of the install, not that it have started, but im playing around testing how I want my partitions
[19:12]  * ubuntu pressed install button
[19:12] <awag> sweet
[19:16] <henry_> Hello everybody, I'm installing Kubuntu on a laptop and I try to access to an smb print server, but I can't see it in my domain, is there something to do ?
[19:17] <ubuntu> henry_ are you installing right now?
[19:17] <henry_> yes
[19:17] <ubuntu> henry_ so ur in hte live CD?
[19:17] <_miquel> Hello, how can I connect my laptop to my PC?
[19:17] <henry_> no, I'm on a installed system
[19:18] <_miquel> I'm running kubuntu dapper on both and both are connected to the same router via ethernet
[19:18] <henry_> but I'm in the process (there is some other things remaining)
[19:18] <ubuntu> !printers
[19:18] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[19:19] <ubuntu> henry_ that might help, but im not really experienved
[19:19] <henry_> thx
[19:25] <awag> ubuntu, hows the intstall going?
[19:27] <nick_> I'm having a k3b problem, it worked fine a few days ago, but now whenever I try to burn any kind of disk (data cd, dvd, iso cd, dvd) it says the device has no permission to open the device (it always happens on the 31st megabyte) but I havn't changed permissions in anyway, can someone explain to me how to fix this before I ruin all my cds :)
[19:28] <nick_> I've been searching the web but most of the answers I find are about suse or other distros and I can't find the files they say to edit in kubuntu
[19:31] <Lacrymology> error while trying to version-upgrade:
[19:31] <Lacrymology> Traceback (most recent call last):
[19:31] <Lacrymology>   File "/tmp/kde-root/adept_updaterN0iGya.tmp-extract/dist-upgrade.py", line 33, in <module>
[19:31] <Lacrymology>     logging.basicConfig(level=logging.DEBUG,
[19:31] <Lacrymology> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'basicConfig'
[19:31] <work> hi every body
[19:32] <work> this is my first time to log on this chat
[19:33] <Jucato> !hi | work
[19:33] <ubotu> work: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[19:33] <work> thanks
[19:33] <work> i am from egypt
[19:33] <work> and you
[19:34] <Jucato> this isn't really the place for that :)
[19:35] <Jucato> This is the Kubuntu user support channel.
[19:35] <Lacrymology> then
[19:35] <Lacrymology> can anyone give me some support on why won't kubuntu upgrade to .10?
[19:36] <work> ok sorry let's us discuss or Kubuntu
[19:36] <Jucato> hm... I haven't encountered that error...
[19:36] <Jucato> Lacrymology: did it crash while upgrading?
[19:37] <emilsedgh> lol
[19:37] <Lacrymology> Jucato: if I open the updater and click on new version, it downloads the "updater program" or something like that and dies
[19:37] <Lacrymology> Jucato: then I sudo adept_updater and I get that output after doing that
[19:38] <Jucato> but you should use adept_manager for upgrading to 7.10... although not sure if that will fix it
[19:38] <Lacrymology> I mean, I get the "press version upgrade" then the "press finish" after "downloading and veryfying upgrade tool"
[19:38] <Jucato> did you follow the upgrade instructions exactly?
[19:38] <Jucato> hm..
[19:39] <jhutchins> Lacrymology: You might want to kill X/kdm, clean out /tmp, reboot and retry.
[19:39] <Lacrymology> ok
[19:40] <nick_> I'm having a k3b problem, it worked fine a few days ago, but now whenever I try to burn any kind of disk (data cd, dvd, iso cd, dvd) it says the device has no permission to open the device (it always happens on the 31st megabyte) but I havn't changed permissions in anyway, can someone explain to me how to fix this before I ruin all my cds :)
[19:40] <blendtux-away> sorry
[19:46] <nick_> Can someone tell me how to tell what drive number my cdrom drive is?
[19:50] <WaltzingAlong> nick_: drive number?
[19:50] <WaltzingAlong> nick_: cat /etc/fstab
[19:52] <nick_> Intresstingly enough, when the speed is turn way down (4x) for cds it seems to be working...why is that?
[19:53] <awag> nick_, are you running alot of other programs or something?
[19:53] <nick_> awag: nope, just k3b when it crashes, I am running 3 programs now at the slower speed and it works
[19:54] <nick_> awag: I ran across this post where this guy said he saw on a windows forum that sometimes the laser can get dim and won't write as fast, but would that return that kind of error?
[19:56] <nick_> Yep, successful burn at 4x
[19:58] <WaltzingAlong> even if the cd could be burnt at 32x, for example, should be more compatible with a slower burn
[20:01] <WaltzingAlong> at least this has been so in my experience especially with video dvd formatted discs
[20:01] <s4xxon> i'll agree. as lower the speed. more secure to write a cd/dvd better
[20:01] <nick_> Oh yes, I know they work down, I just can't figure out why k3b was returning the permission error when it was set on auto (and we're not talking about hyper speed 16x or less)
[20:02] <nick_> Anyway, I don't mind waiting thanks for the help everyone
[20:02] <nick_> Night
[20:04] <theunixgeek> Is there anything Visual-Studio like for Linux?
[20:04] <s4xxon> no, but there is grasshopper
[20:04] <s4xxon> depends what u mean with visual studio
[20:04] <s4xxon> .NET ?
[20:04] <theunixgeek> yeah
[20:04] <theunixgeek> just a way to Visually design applications
[20:05] <s4xxon> on what language
[20:06] <s4xxon> net beans is good for that, and if i am not wrong it has also package to design C++ forms
[20:06] <achref> hi
[20:07] <hydrogen> qt has a designer
[20:07] <WaltzingAlong> there are plenty of IDE tools. which language do you want?
[20:07] <WaltzingAlong> !info kdevelop
[20:07] <ubotu> kdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu2.1 (gutsy), package size 8840 kB, installed size 26992 kB
[20:08] <s4xxon> WaltzingAlong,  kdevelop doesnt support GUI i think. its just an ide
[20:08] <MilitantPotato> At login I keep getting No command arguments supplied! Usage: kdesudo [-u <runas>] <command> KdeSudo will now exit...  How do I fix this?
[20:08] <s4xxon> with editor compiler debugger
[20:08] <wolfear> Hi all..trying to set up dancer-ircd. I ahd previously installed, then removed ircd-hybrid(using apt-get for everything). When trying to test the dancer installation from my desktop, I'm still getting the hybrid MOTD when trying to connect using konversation..is there a cache or tmp area I need to clear out to test dancer
[20:08] <hydrogen> kdevelop embeds qt designer
[20:08] <WaltzingAlong> !info kdevdesigner
[20:08] <ubotu> Package kdevdesigner does not exist in gutsy
[20:08] <MilitantPotato> It happens regardless of me saving a new session or not
[20:08] <hydrogen> !file kdevdesigner
[20:08] <s4xxon> qt is good, but he has to know what kind of applications he wants and in what language
[20:08] <WaltzingAlong> anyway kdevdesigner is a part of kdevelop which is the built-in gui designer or yes links to the qt designer
[20:13] <WaltzingAlong> s4xxon: yes true
[20:14] <WaltzingAlong> s4xxon: and actually in my experience anyone who has asked for a gnu/linux equiv of visual studio has not found one ... mostly looking for the RAD part of building GUI apps quickly
[20:14] <wolfear> If memory servers me correctly..doesn't the kdewebdev meta have pretty much everything included?
[20:15] <s4xxon> frankly talking i dont get what you mean :)
[20:15] <s4xxon> anyway, going for a gui developing ide isnt that easy to start with
[20:16] <s4xxon> i myself know how to some basic java applications with gui through a text editor, and when i used netbeans it took me several days to figure out a bit whats happening
[20:16] <s4xxon> so its not the best way to start with using it as basis
[20:19] <WaltzingAlong> well i mean that the people who have been asking me were looking for a way to build programs without thinking about building programs. if it were well planned, using gui designers first or during would have worked too
[20:21] <WaltzingAlong> but of course there are the learning curves as one can expect
[20:22] <s4xxon> guing straight for gui means you are lazy to learn the basic code :)
[20:22] <WaltzingAlong> yes i know and i was thinking that forcing developers to well design first yields better results
[20:36] <arash> Hi, my knetworkmanager seemed nice at first, but i did something and I can't get it back the way it was directly after installing Kubuntu, how can I restore it?
[20:38] <elfo_> wee, greetings from my recent installed kubuntu 7.10 :) it's working flawless till now :)
[20:39] <ksal> hi
[20:39] <elfo_> hello ksal
[20:39] <ksal> how can I set a Label of a partition?
[20:39] <SSJ_GZ> elfo_: Glad to hear it :)
[20:40] <elfo_> anyway is running in vmware :) I'll migrate to real machine tomorrow or so. Then I'll test how's going with 3d accelerated nvidia graphic card
[20:40] <elfo_> and maybe i'll take a look to compiz-fusion
[20:41] <elfo_> Planned to use treviño¡s repositories.. any suggested alternative?
[20:41] <ksal> I mean something like in windows, i could name a disk as 'WinSux' etc.
[20:42] <jpatrick> elfo_: updated compiz-fusion is in backports
[20:42] <elfo_> ksal take a look at /etc/fstab maybe that helps :)
[20:42] <ksal> how can i do this in linux? i know it's possible somehow, because names i set on windows are seenable
[20:42] <elfo_> really? good to hear jpatrick, thanx for the tip :)
[20:43] <arash> hmm... I dont think that has to do with fstab, though im not sure at all
[20:43] <jpatrick> ksal: right click it in konq and properties, should be there somewhere
[20:43] <jpatrick> ksal: under "media:/", I think
[20:44] <elfo_> oops. I missunderstood I thought that he wanted to change the mount point :) sorry
[20:45] <ksal> :P
[20:45] <ksal> jpatrick: thanks, i did it. i just wanted to make sure, that there's no config for this ;)
[20:46] <jpatrick> ksal: no problem
[20:46] <ksal> i didn't ever see anything like this in fstab, so i wondered if there's anything else
[20:47] <arash> Hi, I want to remove all data files for one of my KDE applications, can anyone help me?
[20:47] <jpatrick> arash: you better look for it's folder in ~/.kde/share/apps and remove it
[20:47] <jpatrick> but check what's inside first.
[20:48] <ksal> bye
[20:48] <Evil_`> Anyone know why after I installed Kubuntu from the livecd, when I try to run without the CD, it says cannot allocate from memory region 7 or something and wont run?
[20:50] <jpms> hols
[20:50] <jernejovc> hi, I've tried to connect to wireless network with Kubuntu 7.10, and I couldn't get the wireless connection to work in kubuntu. router: Linksys WRT54GL, wireless card: TP-Link TLWN610G. help any1?
[20:50] <jpatrick> !wifi
[20:50] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[20:50] <arash> jernejovc, I m having trouble with wireless netwrok now too
[20:51] <egulcin> arkadaşlar aranızda ubuntusa ses sorunu yaşamış olanlar var mı?
[20:52] <egulcin> ve bunun çözümünü bulmuş olan?
[20:52] <jernejovc> arash, can you connect to network if you have DHCP turned on? because if I use manual config i can conenct to network, but can't connect to any site at all. not even ones in LAN.
[20:53] <Dr_willis> I had a HD yesterday that started spitting out errors. i reformated it - and it 'seems' to be fine. There a decent way to test it out better then just fsck ing it?
[20:54] <arash> jernejovc, im currently using my normal connection, but i want to be able to use the wirelsss  one too
[20:56] <arash> knetworkmanager is killing me, anyone know how to reset it , it seems to say that 'networkmanager' isn't running, and therefore it doesnt like to show me any GUI
[21:02] <ee|> Dr_willis: smartctl, and do bad block checking when you format.
[21:02] <Dr_willis> ee|,  Hmm ok i will check that out.
[21:03] <ee|> mkfs.whatever will have some option.
[21:03] <ee|> for bb checking
[21:03] <Dr_willis> darn hd went kabam when i did a fsck /dev/sdb4 it said 'is this a zero legenth partition' unfortunatly it was /home :)
[21:03] <leo_rockw> hello everyone. i'm trying to record some sound using krec and that's not working. audacity and skype work with my mic, how can i tell kde what to use as sound input?
[21:03] <Dr_willis> i did do a mkfs with an option to check badblocks
[21:04] <Dr_willis> just wondering if there was somthing more 'in depth'  to help me decide to toss the HD. or reformat/reinstall/watch it die again. :)
[21:05] <tweek_> bonsoir
[21:06]  * genii sips a coffee
[21:06] <leo_rockw> genii: all that coffee can't be good :-P
[21:07] <johannes__> hi everybody
[21:07] <leo_rockw> hello johannes__
[21:07] <genii> leo_rockw: To the contrary, it's extremely tasty
[21:07] <leo_rockw> genii: hahaha
[21:07] <johannes__> can someone help me with wine? im new to linux ^^
[21:08] <genii> johannes__: There is a channel for them, #winehq    Just to install it, use the package manager
[21:08] <johannes__> thx for the channel ;)
[21:08] <genii> eg: kmenu..Add/Remove Programs
[21:08] <johannes__> I have it already instaled
[21:09] <leo_rockw> you should need wine too much, unless you're trying to play games. in which case you can buy a ps2 with the money you saved from the winbugs license
[21:09] <leo_rockw> shouldn't*
[21:09] <johannes__> I don't ned it for gaming
[21:10] <leo_rockw> johannes__: what are you trying to run?
[21:10] <morphinex> howdy folks, I am having trouble connecting my mp3 player...
[21:10] <morphinex> I am getting error -71 in my dmesg output
[21:10]  * Wolf32 is away: Zur Zeit nicht da.
[21:11]  * Wolf32 is back.
[21:22] <Minnozz> Hi, which progam should I use to scan (images, text)?
[21:23] <Dr_willis> Hmm. I thought 'kooka' was the default tool for that.
[21:23] <Dr_willis> !info kooka
[21:23] <ubotu> kooka: scanner program for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 744 kB, installed size 1204 kB
[21:23] <Minnozz> thanks, I'll try that one =)
[21:23] <keaton> Kopete seems to have spontaniously stopped letting me connect to any chat services.
[21:24]  * ScorpKing waves..
[21:26] <keaton> Anyone know where Kopete stores user settings and such?
[21:27] <Dr_willis> in .kde/somwehere :)
[21:27] <keaton> thanks
[21:27] <novizio> hello!
[21:27] <jhutchins> keaton: probably somewhere under <home>/.kde/share/
[21:27] <Dr_willis> thats one nice thing about Kde.
[21:27] <Tm_T> ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete*
[21:27] <ardchoille> keaton: ~/.kde/share/{config|apps}/kopet*
[21:27] <Tm_T> ~/.kde/share/config/kopete*
[21:27] <ScorpKing> .kde/share/apps/kopete
[21:27] <Tm_T> ardchoille: meh
[21:28]  * ardchoille got them both :)
[21:28] <morphinex> any thoughts on how I can install libqca2 in edgy?
[21:28] <Tm_T> morphinex: for...
[21:28] <morphinex> Tm_T: for Psi 0.11
[21:28] <novizio> is there anybody that can help me for my printer on kubuntu 7.04?
[21:28] <morphinex> It seems kind of insane to do a full upgrade to gutsy justy so I can get that one library
[21:29] <Evil_`> IS there any known problems with installing Kubuntu on a Dell laptop? because I've resinstalled this about 5 times, and no luck
[21:29] <Evil_`> it keeps saying something about not being able to allocate memory in resourse 7 or something
[21:29] <novizio> is there anybody that can help me for my printer on kubuntu 7.04?
[21:29] <Dr_willis> Dell makes a lot of laptops. :)
[21:29] <Dr_willis> Evil_`,  may want to try the alternative installer cd.
[21:29] <jernejovc> bye
[21:29] <Evil_`> alternative installer cd?
[21:29] <Dr_willis> Ihad a odd machine that would crash on the live cd. but the alt install cd worked fine.
[21:30] <Dr_willis> Alternive install cd  = text only installer, no live desktop
[21:30] <Evil_`> ah
[21:30] <jhutchins> novizio: Better to state the specific problem you're having, and what printer it is.  No need to repeat while your original question is still on-screen.
[21:30] <Evil_`> Ok, I'll try it...thanks :)
[21:30] <ardchoille> Evil_`: It's test-based, but very easy to follow.
[21:31] <Evil_`> alright, is it on the livecd?
[21:31] <ardchoille> No, it's a diff cd, the alternate cd
[21:31] <jhutchins> Evil_`: The alternate install CD is not on the live CD, no.
[21:32] <morphinex> Psi is packaged in a weird way... the .deb file I found will actually installed on edgy, but it crashes when it tries to connect
[21:33] <novizio> i have an Epson dx7400 print/scanner, and mi kubuntu 7.04 haven't driver for that printer.
[21:33] <leo_rockw> how can i tell kde what device to use to input sound?
[21:33] <Dr_willis> novizio,  check cups.org to see if that printer has any linux sypport. that site may suggest a alternative driver for it.
[21:34] <novizio> thanks! i'm going..
[21:35] <Dr_willis> well bbl.. egads.. the 'inlaws' got a computer at walmart today.. Now i have to explain to them why they cant get the internet... they dont even have cable. :)
[21:36] <Dr_willis> I think i may hide from them for a few days
[21:36] <Evil_`> Hmm, is there a way I can download the alternative CD and burn it to a disk...from the livecd? I have a feeling the answer is no lol
[21:36] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: They thought... you just plug it in, eh?  Maybe all that wifi stuff people talk about...
[21:37] <jhutchins> Evil_`: Dunno why not.
[21:37] <Evil_`> because I can't take the livecd out
[21:37] <jhutchins> Evil_`: ...because you have a partial install that doesn't work?
[21:37] <Dr_willis> jhutchins,  they are so old.. they can barely read the screens with 1 inch tall letters.
[21:37] <jhutchins> Evil_`: Were you setting it up to dual-boot?
[21:37] <Dr_willis> :)
[21:37] <Evil_`> no
[21:45] <novizio> Dr-Willis, on cups.org i don't found my drivers, but on epson-org i found they... the problem is this: how can i install the drivers named f.es.: pipslite-1.0.1.tar.gz ??? this ia a zipped archive and i don't know whot can i do!
[21:45] <jhutchins> Evil_`: It's worth a try.
[21:45] <voicu> if i shrink and ext3 partition in qtparted how can i be sure it won't damage the data on it?
[21:45] <voicu> *an
[21:45] <jhutchins> novizio: Look for instructions on the web site or in the tar.gz, which should open with ark.
[21:45] <Evil_`> my disk drive won't open :P
[21:46] <julsha> bouhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!
[21:46] <jhutchins> voicu: Have a verified backup on alternate media.
[21:46] <jhutchins> Evil_`: then no.
[21:46] <julsha> on va pas s'en sortir
[21:47] <jhutchins> !br | julsha
[21:47] <ubotu> julsha: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[21:47] <voicu> jhutchins: a backup isn't possible... it's too big
[21:47] <jhutchins> voicu: External hard drive.
[21:47] <voicu> i could go on windows and use partition magic but i want to know how to do it in kubuntu
[21:47] <jhutchins> voicu: You can never be completely sure you won't loose data if you mess with partitions.
[21:47] <ubuntu> hello, I downloaded this live dvd from my isp and it said it's ubuntu but it installed kde automatically from wubi, any idea how I can get it to run ubuntu-desktop? I've tried sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and it almost completed but half way through unpackaging it gave me no space errors.
[21:48] <novizio> I open it, but inside there are about 300 files, but nothing with the extension like a driver...
[21:48] <jhutchins> voicu: qtparted is as reliable as partition magic.
[21:48] <jhutchins> novizio: look for README or INSTALL.
[21:48] <voicu> jhutchins: can't i defragment an ext3 or something? put all the data at one end?
[21:48] <jhutchins> voicu: ext2/3 doesn't usually fragment.
[21:49] <voicu> jhutchins: soo... i can assume the data is already at the beggining and all the free space at the end?
[21:49] <jhutchins> voicu: Let's say yes.
[21:49] <snikker> how can i fix this error: "ar: lib/lib.a: No such file or directory" ? i've got lib.a in my kernel-lib directory...
[21:50] <jhutchins> voicu: If not, qtparted is going to move it anyway.
[21:50] <jhutchins> snikker: context?
[21:50] <snikker> jhutchins: kernel recompile...
[21:50] <jhutchins> snikker: Which step?
[21:50] <voicu> jhutchins: aha, i'll try qtparted then
[21:50] <jhutchins> snikker: What guide are you following?
[21:51] <snikker> jhutchins: make bzImage
[21:51] <jhutchins> voicu: Just be aware that there is always a risk, even with partition magic.
[21:51] <nicknotpwned> what are the odds newbuntu is registered? lol
[21:52] <voicu> jhutchins, well yeah, i know
[21:52] <voicu> jhutchins: could i save the file table or something? is it in a particular place?
[21:52] <jhutchins> snikker: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[21:52] <voicu> maybe dd if=/dev/sda3 of=backup count=10000?
[21:52] <nicknotpwned> am I in the right channel to get help on this installing ubuntu from kubuntu wubi problem?
[21:53] <biovore> nicknotpwned: you boot into kubuntu..  and do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop..
[21:53] <novizio> jhutchins, this is my command in the shell 'rpm -i --nodeps pipslite-cups-1.0.1-1.i386.rpm' and this the 'error.. rpm -i --nodeps pipslite-cups-1.0.1-1.i386.rpm' can u help me?
[21:54] <biovore> novizio: we don't use rpm's in this distro..  try alien
[21:54] <nicknotpwned> biovore: yes. I did that. But half-way through unpackaging it gave me errors that there was no space left. But I've only used about 8% of my 5gb virtual fs.
[21:55] <snikker> jhutchins: i'm in a uclibc chroot, and i can't compile in ubuntu-way, i must use the classic way ()make menu config, make dep, ecc.)...
[21:55] <biovore> hmm.. probably out of disk space.. if its only 5GB..  kubuntu and gnome at the same time takes some space.. 3 -> 4 GB with all the apps it installs with them..
[21:55] <nicknotpwned> o
[21:56] <nicknotpwned> any idea how I can find out how much this wubi kubuntu is using?
[21:56] <jhutchins> voicu: The option to dump the partition table to a file is missing from the current gnu fdisk, but may be available in parted, gparted, or qtparted.
[21:56] <biovore> I think you can grow the virtual filesystem in windows with the wubi installer I think..
[21:56] <biovore> nicknotpwned: boot into linux and type "df -h"
[21:57] <jhutchins> novizio: You would need to use alien to transform the rpm to a deb file, or you can look for a deb file directly.
[21:57] <jhutchins> novizio: you would need to aptitude install alien first, since it's not included by default.
[21:57] <nicknotpwned> biovore: it says there are 8 fs, one of them is the live dvd.
[21:57] <jhutchins> !info alien
[21:57] <ubotu> alien: install non-native packages with dpkg. In component main, is optional. Version 8.68 (gutsy), package size 101 kB, installed size 276 kB
[21:58] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: df? df -h? fdisk -l?
[21:58] <nicknotpwned> biovore: if I add them all up it's using about 17mb which doesn't sound right.
[21:58] <novizio> jhutchins, how can i do to install alien?
[21:59] <stansmith> hello
[21:59] <jhutchins> novizio: aptitude install alien
[21:59] <stansmith> can anyone point me to a great reference on microcontrollers using C ?
[21:59] <biovore> stansmith: Depends on the microcontoller
[22:00] <novizio> jhutchins: can u tell me what have to do for became root?
[22:00] <jhutchins> !sudo | novizio
[22:00] <ubotu> novizio: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[22:00] <jhutchins> !kdesu | novizio
[22:00] <ubotu> novizio: In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[22:00] <lovre> hi ppl.
[22:00] <stansmith> biovore: i have seen the word "PIC" thrown around, im guessing this is the type of MC i want
[22:01] <lovre> Im trying to play a game under wine, but its not working very well. Is there any other game-oriented emulator (free)?
[22:01] <nicknotpwned> is there a channel for pasting stuff?
[22:01] <biovore> well pic is a simple 8bit microcontroller from www.microchip.com
[22:01] <jhutchins> !paste | nicknotpwned
[22:01] <ubotu> nicknotpwned: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[22:01] <biovore> !piklab
[22:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about piklab - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:01] <row> Hey what do I need to add to /etc/apt/sources to get stuff like mysql-server?
[22:01] <casey|> stansmith: "position independent code"
[22:02] <snikker> lovre: you can try cedega, but i don't know if it's free
[22:02] <casey|> :P
[22:02] <lovre> snikker: its not free as i can see
[22:02] <lovre> snikker: :(
[22:03] <nicknotpwned> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45627/
[22:03] <stansmith> i went to radio shack today, and the only microcontroller set they had used some language called "BASIC stamp"...id rather learn it in C..something i can actually use
[22:03] <snikker> lovre: sorry, i don't know another one :(
[22:03] <novizio> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? :(
[22:03] <biovore> stansmith: "Pic MicroController, An Introduction to Software & Hardware" By Huang  (ISBN 140183967-3) Is a decent book... I learned HC11 and HCS12 before PIC..
[22:03] <stansmith> k, thanks biovore, i just need a push in the right direction
[22:03] <jhutchins> !sources | row
[22:03] <ubotu> row: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[22:03] <biovore> stansmith: Basic Stamps are cool.. I got 2 here..  They actauly use a pic micro with propritary basic interpiter running on it..
[22:04] <lovre> snikker: ok, thank you
[22:04] <jhutchins> novizio: in response to what command?
[22:04] <novizio> !sudo aptitude install alien
[22:04] <ardchoille> row: Are you on Gutsy?
[22:04] <jhutchins> novizio: We will often forget to mention that you need to use sudo in front of apt-get or aptitude.
[22:05] <jhutchins> !aptfix | novizio
[22:05] <ubotu> novizio: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[22:05] <jhutchins> novizio: but first make sure any GUI tools are closed.
[22:05] <row> ardchoille: yeah just switched to non default mirror and it has it.
[22:05] <row> odd
[22:05] <nicknotpwned> biovore: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45627/ is what I get when I do df -h. It doesn't look very informative, so I don't know whether I've filled up the wubi.
[22:05] <row> positive internet mirror is sloooowww
[22:05] <ardchoille> row: All the official sources should be enabled.
[22:05] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: wtf is a wubi?
[22:05] <ardchoille> !lamp | row
[22:05] <ubotu> row: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[22:06] <row> ardchoille: I know what it all is, I am just moving from debian as this is a desktop with some other stuff just wondered why it was not found by default anyway, works now so no biggy
[22:06] <nicknotpwned> jhutchins: ubuntu install from windows using a file that is a virtual ext3 with a boot option
[22:06] <row> need to find a faster mirror though, this is pants :P
[22:06] <ardchoille> Ok
[22:07] <nicknotpwned> jhutchins: http://wubi-installer.org/
[22:07] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: what was your question?
[22:07] <jhutchins> df is only going to show things that are mounted in the live filesystem.
[22:08] <nicknotpwned> jhutchins: I'm trying to sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, but half way through unpackaging it's saying I'm out of space.
[22:08] <novizio>   jhutchins: i'm not sure that i understand.. is there a place where can speak italian?
[22:08] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: You're running on something like a live CD filesystem, you can't install a whole alternate desktop on it.
[22:08] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: You're still running within windows!
[22:09] <novizio> exit
[22:09] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: If you want to do that, do an install-to-disk (which is what I thoguht that tool was for), boot to the install, then add stuff.
[22:09] <jhutchins> !it | nicknotpwned
[22:09] <ubotu> nicknotpwned: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[22:10] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: Not going to have as many people, but you may get lucky.
[22:10] <jhutchins> whoops.
[22:10] <jhutchins> !it | novizio:
[22:10] <ubotu> novizio:: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[22:10] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: sorry, wrong nic there.
[22:11] <novizio> TNX
[22:11] <novizio> bye
[22:11] <nicknotpwned> jhutchins: I'm not running kubuntu on top of windows. There was a boot screen the moment I turned my computer on to select either ubuntu-linux or Windows XP Home.
[22:12] <simion314> hi all, can i improve my kubuntu boot time/speed?, it takes 3-4 times more time to start then windows, can i stop some checkings?
[22:15] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: You're not running a standard installation of linux.  It looks like a live CD.
[22:16] <jhutchins> Pasting 4 lines against the rules here:
[22:16] <jhutchins> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[22:16] <jhutchins> /dev/hda3              68G   44G   22G  68% /
[22:16] <jhutchins> /dev/hda2             4.8G  3.8G  1.1G  78% /windows
[22:16] <jhutchins> none                  252M  8.0K  252M   1% /tmp
[22:18] <nicknotpwned> I don't need a cd to boot though
[22:18] <jhutchins> That's what a linux system should look like from df -h.
[22:18] <nicknotpwned> and I can save files in kubuntu
[22:18] <jhutchins> Your installer has probably installed linux as a file on your windows system like an iso, and is mounting it like a CD.
[22:18] <nicknotpwned> yes
[22:19] <master3000> #kubuntu-de
[22:19] <nicknotpwned> except I don't think windows is mounting it, I think wubi convinces linux that it is a real hardrive
[22:19] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: Essentially.
[22:20] <nicknotpwned> that's what I gather from their faq
[22:20] <nicknotpwned> jhutchins: so, any idea how I can know how much of the virtual drive I've used and how much free space there is left?
[22:20] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: it looks like what you end up with a 500M drive.
[22:21] <nicknotpwned> 500mb left?
[22:21] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: If you just want to play with gnome, I'd go with the ubuntu live CD.
[22:21] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: 500MB total.
[22:21] <nicknotpwned> lol
[22:21] <nicknotpwned> jhutchins: can you run ubuntu live from the dvd?
[22:21] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: You should see a / and there should be /home/<user> directories.
[22:22] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: I believe so, I'm still pretty much in CD land.
[22:22] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: As far as I know, though, you can't run from the CD and save files and settings automatically, so you can't like boot the kubuntu CD and install gnome.
[22:23]  * lavacano201014 plays Tremulous [/ame]
[22:23] <nicknotpwned> jhutchins: kubuntu fits on a 500mb drive?
[22:23] <casey|> ubuntu makes me want to flush my head down a toilet sometimes
[22:23] <jhutchins> knoppix has an option to save your files and settings to a windows partition, but you still don't go doing major installations on it.
[22:23] <nicknotpwned> I might put it on my old notebook
[22:23] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: Probably not, that's probably a RAM file for "scratch" space.  It's usually 2-5GB.
[22:24] <nicknotpwned> jhutchins: oh
[22:25] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: For older systems you might try dsl or puppy linux.
[22:26] <casey|> jhutchins: are those any more performant or just take less space?
[22:26] <nicknotpwned> jhutchins: the dvd comes with both ubuntu and kubuntu doesn't it?
[22:29]  * casey| insert head into toilet
[22:29]  * casey| flushes
[22:30] <RogueJediX> Not the patient type, was he?
[22:30] <nicknotpwned> ok I'm going to play around with this, thank you for the help :)
[22:31] <nicknotpwned> I'll be back later
[22:32] <jhutchins> Casey: they're simpler.
[22:33] <RogueJediX> jhutchins: He's gone
[22:33] <jhutchins> Hm.  Unoriginal nick too.
[22:34] <RogueJediX> Is there a way to shutdown a windows computer remotely from linux?
[22:35] <RogueJediX> Ack, sorry, wrong channel
[22:35] <jhutchins> RogueJediX: Yes.
[22:36] <RogueJediX> jhutchins: Do tell. My mom keeps forgetting to turn it off at night
[22:36] <jhutchins> try net shutdown
[22:36] <jhutchins> RogueJediX: I believe that most of the microsoft 'net' commands work from samaba now.
[22:37] <jhutchins> RogueJediX: rdesktop will connect with an XP box.
[22:37] <leo_rockw> RogueJediX: yeah, using krdc is a good idea
[22:37] <RogueJediX> Cool. So all I have to do is enable rdc at her computer?
[22:38] <jhutchins> RogueJediX: Yep.
[22:38] <RogueJediX> Great, thanks!
[22:38] <jhutchins> rdesktop -0 <computer> connects to the current session, plain rdesktop gives you a new session.
[22:41] <jhutchins> I like rdesktop better.  It just works for me.
[22:42] <MetaMorfoziS> Is there anybdy knows a good pcb editor, that supports the auto ordering of the components?
[22:43] <MetaMorfoziS> with auto routing?
[22:47] <Qrawl> !kde4
[22:47] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. RC 1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[22:48] <TimS> On 7.10 how do I change the boot splash screen, is there a gui for it?
[22:48] <TimS> !bootsplash
[22:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bootsplash - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:58] <funcrush> what's the problem of this error? http://funcrush.tistory.com/77
[23:00] <jpatrick> funcrush: try with g++...
[23:01] <MurielGodoi_> Hi all, How can I convert a video file to amv format?
[23:05] <Arv3n> Hello.
[23:05] <Arv3n> How do I compile KDE 4 from SVN on Kubuntu Feisty?
[23:05] <Arv3n> I've installed all the dependencies and things I need, now I just need to do the SVN part.
[23:06] <biovore> is on kde's site
[23:06] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Have you read the guide on techbase?
[23:06] <Arv3n> no.
[23:07] <Arv3n> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4?
[23:07] <Arv3n> Which part do I do? I've done the installing required programs part, now do I just skip to kdebase?
[23:07] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Beat me to it - yes, that's the one :)
[23:07] <biovore> Arv3n: Thats it..
[23:08] <Arv3n> No.
[23:08] <biovore> Yes..
[23:08] <Arv3n> I just installed the required software to actually do the SVN part.
[23:08] <Arv3n> not actual kde4 itself.
[23:08] <biovore> read some more..
[23:08] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Probably skip to "Create a user account for KDE4 development"
[23:08] <Arv3n> im just wondering, its kind of confusing.
[23:08] <Arv3n> no, im using the same user.
[23:08] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Just start at the top and work down, really.
[23:08] <biovore> it say how to check the code out..  create a development user and then build the code..
[23:09] <JackWinter> hiya, how do i see how many threads an application is using ?
[23:09] <Arv3n> do i need to build ALL that?
[23:09] <Arv3n> or can i just do kdebase?
[23:09] <biovore> just have to weed though some of the crap that ins there..
[23:09] <biovore> that just does kdebase I think..
[23:09] <Arv3n> isnt that all i need? -_-
[23:10] <JackWinter> & is there a way to see how much cpu each thread is using?
[23:10] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: You'll need cmake, dbus (might both be in your repositories), qt, kdesupprt, kdelibs, kdepimlibs (at least)
[23:10] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: KDE is pretty big :)
[23:11] <Arv3n> im using linspire, lol.
[23:11] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Hehe
[23:11] <Arv3n> some guy on the #suse channel said it took an hour to install. is that REALLY all it takes?
[23:12] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Depends on what you compile.  I would say more than that, though, depending on the speed of your CPU.
[23:12] <Arv3n> pentium 4 1.6ghz o_o
[23:12] <Arv3n> will it take 8 hours?
[23:12] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Aaargh
[23:12] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: If you only want up to kdebase, I would think less than 8 hours.
[23:13] <Arv3n> -_-
[23:13] <Arv3n> i was under the impression it would take an hour, lol.
[23:13] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: I generally build almost the entirety of KDE every day, so I can't really give an estimate :/
[23:13] <Arv3n> ic.
[23:13] <Arv3n> well, is there an svn repo?
[23:13] <Arv3n> i mean, like for apt-get
[23:14] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: If you don't mind using it in a VM, then there's my project ("KDE4Daily")
[23:14] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: http://dot.kde.org/1195829316/
[23:14] <Arv3n> hey, are you that guy on the ubuntu forums that keeps advertising that?
[23:14] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Yep :)
[23:14] <Arv3n> nice.
[23:15] <Arv3n> pleased to meet you.
[23:15] <lovre> is it just me, or doesnt animation work on skype icons on linux?
[23:15] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Likewise - what's your forum name?
[23:15] <Arv3n> its not important, no one knows me. xD
[23:15] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Hehe :)
[23:15] <Arv3n> i usually visit hte freespire forums, and other smaller ones.
[23:15] <Arv3n> i just lurk in bigger forums.
[23:15] <scrubb2000> Has anyone tried to get side-scrolling to work on a mouse?
[23:15] <Arv3n> and this is perfect, because i have vmware workstation installed.
[23:17] <Arv3n> ew, torrent.
[23:17] <Arv3n> is the torrent very fast?
[23:17] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: There's over 350 people on it, so it should be OK, I think.
[23:17] <Arv3n> well, i have a 160kb/s internet connection.
[23:17] <Arv3n> so..
[23:17] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Nobody has tested it with VMWare, yet, so if you'd like to be a guinea-pig ... :)
[23:18] <Arv3n> sounds good to me, do you have msn?
[23:18] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: If you read the comments in the Dot article, there's instructions for creating a vmdk image that I think VMWare uses.
[23:18] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Yep, but I'm about to go to bed :/
[23:18] <Arv3n> well i mean i could use qemu or something.
[23:18] <Arv3n> where do you live? europe?
[23:18] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Yep - UK
[23:18] <Arv3n> nice.
[23:19] <scrubb2000> Can someone help me set up my mouse's button mappings?
[23:19] <Arv3n> *whistles old spice song*
[23:19] <Arv3n> ok im getting semidecent speeds, it should be finished tonight.
[23:20] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Cool :)
[23:20] <Arv3n> dude, why cant bit torrent just have stable speeds.
[23:20] <Arv3n> it was at 100kb/s then it keeps going down to 3kb/s.
[23:20] <neville> -_-v
[23:20] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Dunno - getting this thing seeded has been a real chore.
[23:20] <Arv3n> well, my upload speed = download speed, so ill keep it on all night and stuff.
[23:21] <scrubb2000> Hello?
[23:21] <Arv3n> im uploading more than im downloading right now, so shmeh.
[23:21] <Arv3n> hello scrubb2000
[23:21] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Thanks:)
[23:21] <awag> whats up people
[23:21] <Arv3n> np.
[23:21] <Arv3n> kde4 = win
[23:21] <awag> you using the beta?
[23:21] <Arv3n> and the only thing it can do now is keep getting better.
[23:22] <Arv3n> beta? rc is out now. lol
[23:22] <awag> oh real?
[23:22] <Arv3n> yeah
[23:22] <Arv3n> been out for a few days.
[23:22] <Arv3n> 3 days
[23:22] <biovore> rc is still beta..
[23:22] <Arv3n> technically its not.
[23:22] <scrubb2000> Anyone handy with mouse configuration in here?
[23:22] <biovore> its pre-release..
[23:22] <Arv3n> ?
[23:22] <Arv3n> i dont understand.
[23:22] <biovore> rc --> Release Canidate,
[23:22] <beroualm> !fr haku
[23:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fr haku - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:23] <beroualm> erf
[23:23] <biovore> Not an actual release..
[23:23] <Arv3n> yeah, i know.
[23:23] <abyssion> !fr abyssion
[23:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fr abyssion - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:23] <Arv3n> rc =/= beta
[23:23] <JohnFlux_> Hey all
[23:23] <JohnFlux_> I used to have an nvidia card, so I've got all the nvidia-glx  stuff installed.  but now i have an intel card
[23:24] <JohnFlux_> what package to I install for glx for intel?
[23:24] <awag> someone left 4 unopened linksys network cards laying at the bottom of the stairs to my apartments
[23:24]  * awag now owns them
[23:24] <Arv3n> lol
[23:24] <Arv3n> lucky.
[23:24] <JohnFlux_> apt-cache search glx  mentions intel and ati, but nothing about intel
[23:25] <_dac_> .join #ubuntu
[23:25] <CHICKEN_HEAD> Hey folks...anyone know what the deal is with /dev/mapper after upgrading?
[23:27] <Dr_willis> CHICKEN_HEAD,  you are the first ive heard mention anything about /dev/mapper
[23:28] <Dr_willis> You may want to check the forums.  im not even sure what /dev/mapper is :)
[23:28] <CHICKEN_HEAD> Well, before upgrading I had /dev/sdc1 -> /usr/local.  After upgrading, /dev/sdc1 no longer works...only /dev/mapper/sdc1 works.
[23:28] <scrubb2000> So I'm guessing nobody can help me because everyone's just ignoring my requests?
[23:29] <Dr_willis> scrubb2000,  its always good to be very clear and concise..
[23:29] <CHICKEN_HEAD> And I see now that my cdrom devices are only accessible via /dev/sr0 and /dev/sr1.
[23:29] <Dr_willis> CHICKEN_HEAD,  a lot of ide decices are now 'moved' to scsi type names. as part of some kernel improvements.
[23:30] <Dr_willis> Ive never noticed /dev/sr# befor.    Thats interesting.
[23:30] <scrubb2000> dr_willis, I have an M$ wireless laser mouse 5000.  It has a four-way mouse wheel (up,down, left, right) and I'd like to get it working in Kubuntu Gutsy
[23:30] <CHICKEN_HEAD> Ah...that would explain a lot.  Both CDROM devices are IDE>
[23:31] <Dr_willis> scrubb2000,  i do recall some gentoo wiki pages that went into a lot of details on multi-button mice.  I have not personally used them however. Thers proberly some ubuntu wiki pages on it also. You will proberly need to edit the xorg.conf file manually.
[23:32] <Dr_willis> I recall there being a lot of issues with side scrolling on those things. since thats in many ways a very nonstandard feature.
[23:32] <CHICKEN_HEAD> I don't know if anyone here uses XDMCP (logging in remotely to an x-server), but it is completely broken by Xgl being enabled in Gutsy.
[23:32] <scrubb2000> dr_willis, I'm not afraid to do that, and I've found the relevant wiki pages on ubuntu.com, but I don't know how to figure out what signals are sent when I press each button.
[23:32] <scrubb2000> i.e. I can't map what I don't know about.
[23:33] <Dr_willis> scrubb2000, Hmm.. the 'xev' (i think) command comes to mind.
[23:34] <u0742443> hola
[23:34] <u0742443> quien esta hay
[23:36] <scrubb2000> dr_willis, OK, that's a start.
[23:37] <Dr_willis> scrubb2000,  the Gentoo pages on mice are some of the most detailed ive seen. :) may want to check them out.
[23:37] <scrubb2000> dr_willis, where do I find those?
[23:37] <Dr_willis> gentoo.org I think :) i alwyas just google for 'gentoo whatevermouse wiki'
[23:40] <CHICKEN_HEAD> Thx for the info DrW, ciao!
[23:40] <scrubb2000> dr_willis, they have an "advanced mouse howto"  Thanks.
[23:40] <scrubb2000> Let's see if this does the trick.
[23:40] <scrubb2000> How do I check my version of xorg?
[23:40] <Dr_willis> for all your advanced mouseing needs.
[23:41] <Dr_willis> X -version
[23:41] <Dr_willis> for the version of X. :)  normally a program would use --version  also.
[23:41] <Dr_willis> But gotta love people following their own standards. heh.
[23:44] <scrubb2000> How do I check to see if evdev is either built into the kernel or loaded as a module?
[23:44] <Dr_willis> lsmod | grep evdev
[23:44] <Dr_willis> evdev                  11136  6
[23:44] <Dr_willis> I would guess thats a module.
[23:45] <Dr_willis> Not sure if they show up in lsmod if they are in the kernel.
[23:45] <Dr_willis>  /lib/modules/2.6.22-12-386/kernel/drivers/input/evdev.ko
[23:45] <Sanne> Dr_willis:, scrubb2000: also 'modinfo <modulename>' might be interesting for that
[23:46] <scrubb2000> sanne, yup.  It's there.
[23:46] <Dr_willis> description:    Input driver event char devices
[23:46] <Sanne> :)
[23:46] <Dr_willis> isent that Special.. :)
[23:47] <biovore> I havn't been able to get evdev to work on amd64 here.. I am not sure if it does work on AMD 64..
[23:47] <Dr_willis> Its working on my amd64 machines... im NOT using the 64bit disrto.
[23:47] <biovore> I could get it work on 32bit systems..
[23:48] <Sanne> at least it's loaded here on Kubuntu Dapper 64bit
[23:48] <scrubb2000> I wonder why X didn't use evdev instead of mouse as the driver.  Oh well.
[23:50] <scrubb2000> !evdev
[23:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about evdev - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:50] <cuco> stdin: ping
[23:51] <Dr_willis> wowsers.
[23:51] <Dr_willis> Its getting scary when a new windows game takes 30+ min to install...
[23:53] <WaltzingAlong> Dr_willis: expect more or less?
[23:59] <abyssion> help me please
[23:59] <abyssion> i don't speak good english
[23:59] <abyssion> sorry
[23:59] <abyssion> do turn the 3D cube
[23:59] <abyssion> command ?