| mneptok | those join/parts gonna slow down anytime soon? :) | 00:11 |
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| LjL | pwah, i've done it twice today | 00:12 |
| LjL | thrice, just because you asked | 00:12 |
| PriceChild | LjL, what's happenned with them? | 00:13 |
| nalioth | PriceChild: he quit 2 of them, and the 3d is doing what it's supposed to | 00:13 |
| LjL | nothing PriceChild, i just modified some things and restarted them. | 00:13 |
| PriceChild | ah ok | 00:13 |
| LjL | nothing big, changed the lag tolerance a little, made the logs less awfully verbose... | 00:14 |
| Tm_T | yay | 00:14 |
| LjL | Tm_T, the *logs*. the one that are saved on my computer. on the stuff they print in here :P | 00:15 |
| Tm_T | I know | 00:15 |
| LjL | s/one/ones/ and s/on/not/ | 00:15 |
| Tm_T | :) | 00:16 |
| Tm_T | I got that | 00:16 |
| PriceChild | LjL, hmm what about all of them always talking in -unregged... | 00:17 |
| Tm_T | mm? | 00:17 |
| Tm_T | PriceChild: op me on proxy channel? | 00:17 |
| LjL | PriceChild, yeah, they talk there when they're in emergency mode now. previously, they'd only do that after they'd set +r | 00:19 |
| LjL | and when they join, they're in emergency mode | 00:20 |
| Tm_T | PriceChild: thanks | 00:21 |
| Tm_T | felt lonely when didn't saw all speech | 00:22 |
| nalioth | what speech? | 00:23 |
| Tm_T | I don't know because I didn't saw it | 00:24 |
| nalioth | are you referring to #ubuntu-proxy-users or #ubuntu-unregged ? | 00:24 |
| Tm_T | #ubuntu-proxy-users | 00:24 |
| nalioth | there have been no speeches in there | 00:24 |
| Tm_T | you lie ;( | 00:25 |
| PriceChild | if there was, you would have seen for we are opped | 00:27 |
| ubotu | soundray called the ops in #ubuntu (excrete abusing channel) | 00:27 |
| mneptok | LjL: do they really need to set limits here? the scrool is a bit much. | 01:27 |
| nalioth | mneptok: all this will be much less when they go 'live' | 01:28 |
| Soskel | hi | 01:32 |
| mneptok | hello Soskel | 01:32 |
| Soskel | could someone unban me from here and from #ubuntu please | 01:32 |
| mneptok | Soskel: you're not banned here. your presence speaks to that. | 01:32 |
| Soskel | I was invited here | 01:33 |
| nalioth | mneptok: i just unbanned him | 01:33 |
| Soskel | oh | 01:33 |
| Soskel | could you also form ubuntu please nalioth, thanks | 01:33 |
| nalioth | Soskel: please stay on topic in #ubuntu | 01:33 |
| Soskel | will do | 01:33 |
| Soskel | wait | 01:33 |
| Soskel | does it say if there was a reason why I was banend? | 01:34 |
| nalioth | yes. you were wildly off topic | 01:34 |
| Soskel | wow | 01:34 |
| mneptok | Soskel: you were also incredibly rude to Seveas in this channel. | 01:35 |
| Soskel | I don't remember any of this... | 01:35 |
| mhatcher | drugs | 01:35 |
| nalioth | well, that may be for the best. enjoy | 01:35 |
| mneptok | 2007-10-16T01:05:30 <Seveas> Soskel, please leave if you have nothing useful to say | 01:35 |
| mneptok | 2007-10-16T01:05:50 <Soskel> Seveas: please stfu | 01:35 |
| Soskel | ??? | 01:35 |
| Soskel | wait | 01:36 |
| Soskel | that was last month, October 16? | 01:36 |
| mneptok | correct | 01:36 |
| nalioth | mneptok: it's past and done. | 01:37 |
| mneptok | nalioth: agreed. but i thought he might like a reminder of what kinds of behaviors are not tolerated. | 01:37 |
| Soskel | so can I be unbanned please? | 01:37 |
| mhatcher | so when was he banned? | 01:37 |
| nalioth | mhatcher: oct 16th or thereabouts | 01:37 |
| mneptok | Soskel: you have already been unbanned. please stay on-topic and abide by the Ubuntu Code Of Conduct. | 01:38 |
| mhatcher | weird :) | 01:38 |
| Soskel | thank toy | 01:38 |
| Soskel | *you | 01:38 |
| * mneptok points at nalioth | 01:38 | |
| mneptok | thanks go thataway | 01:38 |
| mneptok | bribes come this way. | 01:39 |
| mneptok | ;) | 01:39 |
| Soskel | :/ | 01:39 |
| mhatcher | 2000 users on a single channel is not a nice practice | 01:40 |
| LjL | Who has | 01:41 |
| LjL | 2000 users on a single channel? | 01:41 |
| mhatcher | well it is 1000 | 01:42 |
| LjL | Prepared to see awfully funny phrases from me | 01:42 |
| LjL | I am trying to use speech recognition | 01:43 |
| mhatcher | start with hello | 01:43 |
| Tm_T | :)) | 01:43 |
| Tm_T | mhatcher: ? | 01:43 |
| LjL | Herbal | 01:43 |
| LjL | See? | 01:43 |
| mneptok | LjL: pn'aa vuu ghaghnasdiak tl'aas k'tiri? | 01:44 |
| LjL | Yes, I totally agree | 01:44 |
| * mneptok nods sagely | 01:44 | |
| Tm_T | mhatcher: what about 1000 users? | 01:45 |
| LjL | At least, this makes me use capital letters correctly | 01:45 |
| mhatcher | too many questions | 01:45 |
| mhatcher | too many answers | 01:45 |
| mhatcher | and what not | 01:46 |
| Tm_T | mhatcher: better solution? | 01:46 |
| LjL | Holding the microphone hurts my hand of more than typing however | 01:46 |
| Tm_T | LjL: aye, I can feeel your pain | 01:46 |
| mhatcher | get smaller channels | 01:46 |
| Tm_T | mhatcher: how? | 01:46 |
| mhatcher | #ubuntu1 #ubuntu2 ... | 01:46 |
| mhatcher | XD | 01:47 |
| Tm_T | mhatcher: and how making sure that guy who knows about foo is in channel where that is asked? | 01:47 |
| LjL | Tm_T you, you cannot feel the pain of being told by Dr to choose the keyboard and mouse any more for a while | 01:47 |
| LjL | It hurts the sour | 01:47 |
| Tm_T | sour =) | 01:47 |
| LjL | Sour sour so so so solved | 01:48 |
| Tm_T | :p | 01:48 |
| mhatcher | some bot should pm spam pro users with messages from other channels | 01:48 |
| Tm_T | no | 01:48 |
| Tm_T | that is plain silly | 01:49 |
| LjL | eh? | 01:49 |
| mhatcher | oc | 01:49 |
| Tm_T | you really think you would jump to different channels? | 01:49 |
| Tm_T | mhatcher: if #ubuntu is too crowded, ask in your loco channel | 01:49 |
| Tm_T | that's splitting enough | 01:50 |
| mhatcher | fortunately I dont need to ask anything | 01:50 |
| LjL | The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog | 01:50 |
| Tm_T | mhatcher: you got the point anyway :) | 01:50 |
| LjL | And you jump | 01:51 |
| LjL | channels | 01:51 |
| LjL | Now, how can this thing complete nicknames | 01:51 |
| LjL | TNT | 01:51 |
| Tm_T | haha | 01:51 |
| Flare183 | How can i become a opertor for my loco team? | 01:52 |
| mhatcher | loco? | 01:53 |
| Flare183 | Local Community | 01:53 |
| Flare183 | #ubuntu-sc to be exact | 01:53 |
| LjL | You mean an operator on their channel | 01:54 |
| Flare183 | #ubuntu-southcarolina ot exact sorry | 01:54 |
| Flare183 | yeah i guess all i want to do is update the topic | 01:54 |
| Tm_T | well your channel is right place to ask that | 01:54 |
| pleia2 | Flare183: there is a contact for that loco, the US Mentors have sent an email | 01:55 |
| pleia2 | best let us handle it, rather than bringing it here | 01:55 |
| Flare183 | ok | 01:55 |
| Flare183 | ... | 01:55 |
| Tm_T | hi pleia2 | 01:55 |
| pleia2 | 'lo Tm_T | 01:55 |
| * mneptok shoves pleia2 around playfully | 01:55 | |
| Tm_T | good to see you too | 01:56 |
| nalioth | Flare183: i'm afraid you should use #ubuntu-us-sc | 01:56 |
| * pleia2 elbows mneptok | 01:56 | |
| mneptok | *oof* | 01:56 |
| pleia2 | :) | 01:56 |
| mneptok | that's gonna smart in the AM | 01:56 |
| pleia2 | nalioth: heh, the US teams are a bit split WRT such naming ;) | 01:56 |
| nalioth | pleia2: the CC is not split. US teams should be #ubuntu-us-[state abbreviation] | 01:57 |
| pleia2 | ah ok, I don't think any of the approved US teams use that scheme | 01:57 |
| nalioth | pleia2: it's a fairly recent change. | 01:57 |
| * pleia2 nods | 01:57 | |
| nalioth | seems #ubuntu-tn is both Tennessee and Tunisia | 01:58 |
| LjL | nalioth, our naming guidelines say a different thing though i believe...? | 01:58 |
| mneptok | nalioth: the mental image of imams at the pedal steel is classic. | 01:58 |
| Tm_T | LjL: that wasnt speech recognition | 01:59 |
| LjL | Tm_T: no it wasn't, i'm already frustrated enough. it works badly enough for italian - for my undecipherable english, it's just crap | 01:59 |
| Tm_T | =) | 01:59 |
| LjL | nalioth: or perhaps they don't, i think i had a dream where they did. | 02:00 |
| pleia2 | lol | 02:00 |
| LjL | also, it's crashed | 02:00 |
| mneptok | LjL: you could try Dvorak or some other alternative layout ... | 02:00 |
| LjL | mneptok, doesn't really help when you wake up with your hand in pain and the doctor tells you "no, no x-ray and no pills for you, just get away from that keyboard and mouse" | 02:00 |
| mneptok | LjL: punching that doctor may loosen things up ... | 02:07 |
| Tm_T | hah | 02:08 |
| Tm_T | LjL: hi? | 02:11 |
| LjL | i'm here, i went back to ubuntu | 02:13 |
| LjL | did i miss anything? | 02:13 |
| * mneptok mops up the pig blood and Jell-O | 02:18 | |
| Tm_T | LjL: #kubuntu minataku, whaddya say? | 02:19 |
| LjL | opinion after a very quick grep is, he's way offtopic. | 02:21 |
| Tm_T | yup | 02:21 |
| Tm_T | bit more and I'll give him some remove love | 02:21 |
| LjL | don't be afraid to. he's not new to this sort of thing | 02:22 |
| Tm_T | heh | 02:22 |
| pleia2 | nalioth: you still about? | 02:23 |
| pleia2 | need #ubuntu-southcarolina forwarded to #ubuntu-us-sc and some access changed | 02:24 |
| nalioth | pleia2: hmm? | 02:27 |
| LjL | nalioth: so, it's #ubuntu-us-initials, or #ubuntu-us-fullname, or #ubuntu-us-whatever-the-team-prefers? | 02:46 |
| LjL | where's the document anyway? | 02:46 |
| nalioth | LjL: ask the dutchman | 02:46 |
| nalioth | #ubuntu-us-[state code] | 02:47 |
| LjL | nalioth: he'd say "ask the council", you know that :) | 02:47 |
| Tm_T | nalioth: you have seen tomato monsters? | 02:47 |
| nalioth | Tm_T: i have. | 02:47 |
| LjL | the only document i know about is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/ChannelNaming | 02:47 |
| Tm_T | nalioth: roger, so it's known spammer then? | 02:48 |
| LjL | and that does specify #ubuntu-countrycode-regioncode, and the fact that "YY" is used to indicate the region code would seem to imply it has to be two characters | 02:48 |
| nalioth | Tm_T: for weeks now | 02:48 |
| Tm_T | aye | 02:48 |
| LjL | anyway, US states lend themselves quite well to that since they are *already* encoded with two characters in addresses and stuff i think | 02:48 |
| Tm_T | nalioth: I did small help for removing him fast | 02:49 |
| nalioth | :) | 02:49 |
| Tm_T | nalioth: trigger.pl and right command will do :) | 02:49 |
| === LongPointyPony is now known as LongPointyStick | ||
| === LongPointyStick is now known as GoldenPony | ||
| vorian | Jono has asked that we do #ubuntu-statename | 02:50 |
| pleia2 | what a pain he is | 02:50 |
| pleia2 | heheh | 02:50 |
| vorian | so do we need to send out an alert to the mailing list? | 02:51 |
| Tm_T | interesting | 02:51 |
| nalioth | vorian: #ubuntu-georgia belongs to whom? | 02:51 |
| Tm_T | vorian: I haven't seen any discussion about this to our side, so wonders | 02:51 |
| LjL | this seems complicated | 02:51 |
| LjL | but i mean, seriously. the US aren't the only country in the world. other countries have "regions", "states" or somesuch in them, and they might want to have loco teams for them | 02:52 |
| vorian | Tm_T, this discussion was had in January when we started the US teams project | 02:52 |
| LjL | are we seriously suggesting that separate namespaces are *not* needed? | 02:52 |
| Tm_T | vorian: with irc-ops team? | 02:52 |
| nalioth | vorian: does it belong to the country of Georgia or the state of Georgia? | 02:52 |
| vorian | do people in the Country of Georgia use latin characters? | 02:53 |
| Tm_T | I really really think it MUST be foobuntu-countrycode-state | 02:53 |
| LjL | nalioth: the country of georgia would have #ubuntu-ge or whatever the country code is... but clashes can exist anyway | 02:53 |
| Tm_T | vorian: when needed yes | 02:53 |
| LjL | Tm_T: i agree. and i'd add that state initials are better than full state names | 02:53 |
| Tm_T | LjL: yup | 02:54 |
| Tm_T | or I will start #kubuntu-Karjala | 02:54 |
| vorian | I don't care either way, but most every state is set up as #ubuntu-statename | 02:55 |
| LjL | vorian, +f is cheap | 02:55 |
| vorian | aye | 02:56 |
| vorian | so is that the councils final decision? | 02:56 |
| vorian | If so, I will send out a message to the US mailing list | 02:57 |
| nalioth | vorian: in the beginning the channel naming guideline weren't very clear, i suspect | 02:57 |
| vorian | yes, there was only clear direction for country teams | 02:58 |
| vorian | (yes as in i agree :) ) | 02:58 |
| LjL | vorian, the naming guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/ChannelNaming - for some reason, i (and probably somebody else too) was in the belief that they (provisionally, or permanently, or something) didn't apply to US teams, and that there were other guidelines for them | 02:59 |
| LjL | but i don't think that's the case, and i also think it's best, in term of possible naming conflicts, to just use #ubuntu-cc-ss | 03:00 |
| LjL | vorian: so, yes, please send a message to the mailing list. explain that existing channels can be forwarded by using /msg chanserv set #channel mlock +if #new-channel-name | 03:01 |
| LjL | and /msg chanserv set #old-channel guard on | 03:01 |
| nalioth | or just swing by #ubuntu-ops if there are any questions | 03:01 |
| Tm_T | yup | 03:01 |
| Tm_T | we are here to help :)) | 03:01 |
| vorian | okie dokie | 03:02 |
| LjL | nalioth, *or* #ubuntu-irc, which is there for that :) | 03:02 |
| LjL | although you aren't there :P | 03:02 |
| Tm_T | that too! | 03:02 |
| Tm_T | vorian: yes, #ubuntu-irc :)) | 03:02 |
| vorian | sure thing | 03:03 |
| Tm_T | LjL: whoo, action soon? | 03:05 |
| LjL | Tm_T: action? a logbot? | 03:06 |
| LjL | ah minataku | 03:06 |
| Tm_T | yup :p | 03:06 |
| Tm_T | that is just sooo close to trolling | 03:07 |
| vorian | ok, message sent | 03:08 |
| Tm_T | vorian: :) | 03:08 |
| etank | thanks vorian | 03:08 |
| vorian | thanks IRC council :) | 03:08 |
| vorian | what contact do we add to the access list for the IRC council? | 03:10 |
| LjL | vorian: UbuntuIRCCouncil. note that you don't *have* to. | 03:10 |
| nalioth | vorian: there is no need to add that nick to the list | 03:10 |
| vorian | ok | 03:10 |
| LjL | vorian: instead, add *!*@freenode/staff/* if it's not there already, that's much more useful | 03:11 |
| vorian | I guess not with you around nalioth :) | 03:11 |
| vorian | LjL, right :) | 03:11 |
| LjL | vorian: also feel free to mention to all US loco channel contacts that they can pop in #ubuntu-irc for anything IRC operation related. i've sent a notice to that effects to most LoCo channel contacts, but only the international ones, not the US ones (i sent it to #ubuntu-us itself, but that was all) | 03:12 |
| vorian | LjL, sure thing | 03:13 |
| vorian | can we have ubotu in #ubuntu-us-oh :) | 03:16 |
| LjL | vorian: you need seveas for that... we can bring ubotwo or ubot3 there | 03:16 |
| vorian | no big deal | 03:17 |
| etank | so how do i go about changing my teams channel? | 03:17 |
| etank | do i need to create the chan first and then the forward? | 03:18 |
| nalioth | etank: which team? | 03:18 |
| etank | kentucky | 03:18 |
| LjL | vorian, anyway, once you set +f from -ohio to -us-oh, ubotu will join the latter as soon as he disconnects and reconnects for any reason. so, i assume, will the locobot | 03:18 |
| LjL | although it's still probably much better to notify the bot owners of the channel changes | 03:19 |
| etank | i dont need anyone to do it for me | 03:19 |
| nalioth | vorian: use mlock | 03:19 |
| nalioth | vorian: and use +mif #target_channel | 03:19 |
| vorian | ok, i was using +if | 03:19 |
| LjL | vorian, no big difference, but set also chanserv guard on | 03:20 |
| nalioth | well, if there is a split or services go down, the +m will keep folks from congregating in the channel | 03:20 |
| nalioth | make them go "hmm, why can't i talk? | 03:20 |
| nalioth | " | 03:20 |
| nalioth | as opposed to "where are all the buckeyes?" | 03:21 |
| LjL | yeah well not saying it shouldn't be set | 03:21 |
| nalioth | it's a gentle reminder in case services disappear | 03:22 |
| Tm_T | stdin: one wrong move from minataku and feel free to remove him, he's been pain in the ass himself | 03:23 |
| stdin | I'll keep an eye on him | 03:24 |
| Tm_T | thanks | 03:24 |
| vorian | LjL, KB3LLM just showed up on our channel for the first time yesterday, he's kind of trollish... | 03:26 |
| LjL | vorian, your channel, your trolls :P | 03:26 |
| LjL | i have enough with mine :P | 03:26 |
| vorian | lol | 03:26 |
| vorian | :) | 03:27 |
| LjL | vorian: anyway, i can part ubotwo, or i can leave it joined, it doesn't really matter to me. you really want ubotu at the end of the day, though | 03:27 |
| LjL | but i have no idea where seveas is right now | 03:28 |
| vorian | LjL, it's fine, thanks for letting it join :) | 03:28 |
| etank | LjL: we used to have ubotu but it left many months ago | 03:37 |
| etank | any way we can get it back | 03:43 |
| etank | i have no idea why it went the way of the dodo | 03:44 |
| LjL | vorian, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/MovingChannels <- wrote some instructions for US channel owners to move to the new names, nalioth, please check for accuracy | 03:46 |
| LjL | etank, you can probably have it back, but you need seveas, i can't bring it back, i can bring ubotwo (which only has !factoids and nothing else) | 03:47 |
| etank | screw it | 03:47 |
| nalioth | LjL: ubot3 is there for the present | 03:47 |
| LjL | fine | 03:48 |
| nalioth | etank: but you'd need to poke seveas if you want ubotu there (which is really the bot you want) | 03:48 |
| vorian | thanks LjL | 03:48 |
| Tm_T | mneptok: please | 03:50 |
| mneptok | Tm_T: hm? | 03:50 |
| Tm_T | offtopicness :( | 03:51 |
| * Hobbsee defenestrates mneptok | 03:51 | |
| mneptok | Hobbsee: i haven't used Windows since 1998 | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | mneptok: and you live in a basement? | 03:52 |
| mneptok | Hobbsee: i sleep in a drawer. | 03:58 |
| * nalioth applies hot glue to the edges and nails it shut | 03:59 | |
| Hobbsee | good, thanks nalioth! | 04:01 |
| ajmitch | poor, poor mneptok | 04:02 |
| mneptok | Canonical Quotes page: "<mneptok> I'm the Ralph Wiggum of Canonical." | 04:03 |
| ajmitch | a very special individual indeed | 04:04 |
| mneptok | http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/diaz/222/drawer.wav | 04:04 |
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| Hobbsee | !ssh | 04:16 |
| ubotu | SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ | 04:16 |
| nalioth | Hobbsee: ssh! | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | neat.... | 04:19 |
| Tm_T | ssh <3 | 04:24 |
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| Tm_T | hmmmh | 07:02 |
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| no0tic | elkbuntu, good evening(?) | 08:21 |
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| ubotu | Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu (worldfighter_958) | 10:15 |
| nalioth | klined | 10:17 |
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| ubotu | In #ubuntu-offtopic, aoupi said: ubotu: that is enougH! quit it this instant! | 12:31 |
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| Tm_T | hi FloodBot3 | 13:32 |
| Pici | bloop | 14:42 |
| Tm_T | hi Pici | 14:42 |
| Pici | Hiyas | 14:42 |
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| MenZa | ._. | 14:48 |
| Pici | Nice name | 14:49 |
| LjL | The speech recognition program lets you choose between British English, American English, Indian English, Asian English suspension marks | 14:49 |
| LjL | I'm a bit embarrassed about which one to choose | 14:50 |
| LjL | I was thinking Indian | 14:50 |
| LjL | Certainly something not very standard anyway | 14:51 |
| Pici | I would think that Indian English would be close to British English | 14:51 |
| LjL | pici think about the pronunciation, though, not the actual language | 14:52 |
| LjL | I was thinking that the vowels might be a bit closer to the Italian ones | 14:54 |
| LjL | Is just an impression, though | 14:54 |
| LjL | In any case, this is much harder than typing | 14:55 |
| LjL | Also, it cannot switch languages without waiting a minute or so | 14:56 |
| LjL | And the computer is even to slow to recognize in real time | 14:57 |
| Seeker` | LjL: What spec computer? | 14:58 |
| LjL | It is a celeron 1700 | 14:58 |
| LjL | With far of the gigabyte of RAM | 14:59 |
| LjL | half | 15:00 |
| Seeker` | hmm | 15:01 |
| Seeker` | i would have thought that you could have gotten reasonable performance from that | 15:02 |
| LjL | Seeker` maybe with a decent microphone and without the PSU fan grinding... dunno :) | 15:02 |
| Seeker` | heh | 15:03 |
| Seeker` | fair enough | 15:03 |
| LjL | gee this might help my wrist but it doesn't help my throat for sure | 15:03 |
| LjL | nor my patience | 15:03 |
| Seeker` | LjL: RSI? | 15:03 |
| LjL | Seeker`, dunno, something | 15:03 |
| LjL | doctor said to stay away from keyboard & mouse anyway | 15:03 |
| LjL | BUT I CAN'T! | 15:04 |
| Tm_T | =) | 15:04 |
| Seeker` | LjL: Is it worse in your "mouse hand"? | 15:04 |
| LjL | yeah it *is* in my "mouse hand" (right), although i'm starting to feel a little pain in the left hand too... i suspect that's just because i've started using it for things i normally use the right hand for, and to which it's not quite apt | 15:05 |
| LjL | but in the right hand it reached the point where it woke me up during sleep, although it's got better with a wrist, uhm "collar" | 15:05 |
| Seeker` | I found that using a graphics tablet + pen really helped when I started getting RSI like symptoms | 15:05 |
| Seeker` | you mean the sports support type thing? | 15:06 |
| LjL | Seeker`: my sister has a graphics tablet, so i could try... but i have a terrible relationship with pens, never been able to hold them correctly and write for more than 10 minutes without feeling pain | 15:06 |
| Tm_T | LjL: you too? | 15:06 |
| Tm_T | LjL: leftie? | 15:06 |
| Seeker` | I got pain in my wrist, and the back of my hand felt really weak (I could clench my fist, but unclenching didn't feel "right") | 15:06 |
| LjL | Seeker`, not sure, it's really just a wide strip i place around the wrist with velcro | 15:06 |
| LjL | Tm_T, no, right handed | 15:06 |
| Tm_T | LjL: okie | 15:07 |
| Tm_T | LjL: but pens, nnngh, just doesn't fit into my hand | 15:07 |
| LjL | Tm_T: it's just i've never learned to hold a pen correctly i guess, also it's been so long since i last used one =) | 15:07 |
| Tm_T | writing is painnnnn | 15:07 |
| Seeker` | http://www.prosportuk.com/detail/9/116/1808 | 15:07 |
| Seeker` | ? | 15:07 |
| Tm_T | LjL: I do have learned multiple | 15:07 |
| Tm_T | LjL: none of them stop me getting frustration and panic | 15:07 |
| Seeker` | LjL: It is a bit differnt from writing - it doesn't require quite as much find movement of the fingers. | 15:08 |
| Seeker` | right clicking can be a bit of a pain | 15:08 |
| Tm_T | nnnngh | 15:09 |
| LjL | no Seeker`, it's something much simpler, without a thumb support or anything... just a strip, some 6x30 cm, i wrap around the wrist. but to be honest actually, i don't use it very much as it moves away from the wrist all the time unless i tie it really (too) hard | 15:09 |
| LjL | right now i'm using a pencil and scotch tape =) | 15:09 |
| Seeker` | heh | 15:09 |
| Tm_T | ok, I'm about to get really big load of drugs, so, I think it's better I'm not in irc | 15:09 |
| Tm_T | see you later -> | 15:09 |
| Seeker` | seeya | 15:10 |
| LjL | ouch... | 15:10 |
| LjL | is there anybody who's well in here? =) | 15:10 |
| * Seeker` is (mostly) well at the moment | 15:10 | |
| Seeker` | my RSI disappeared after using the graphics tablet for 2-3 weeks, as well as taking 1 week away from the computer | 15:10 |
| LjL | Seeker`, the latter is probably the real solution... :| | 15:11 |
| Seeker` | it was about 50% better before I took the week off | 15:11 |
| LjL | Seeker`, you didn't use the tablet for typing as well did you? | 15:11 |
| LjL | (i.e. with writing recognition | 15:12 |
| Seeker` | no | 15:12 |
| Seeker` | but most of my problem was the right hand, which I use for the mouse | 15:12 |
| Seeker` | keyboards dont bother me as much - probably 70% of the keypresses I do are with my left hand | 15:12 |
| Seeker` | I dont type properley | 15:13 |
| LjL | Seeker`: hm yeah but that it's *already* aching quite a bit, i can feel that the keyboard isn't helping either | 15:13 |
| Seeker` | hmm | 15:13 |
| LjL | ah no i definitely use both hands and mostly the right, typing with left hand only would be a pain | 15:13 |
| LjL | although, perhaps it'd be less of a pain that using this horrible voice recognition thing, after all | 15:13 |
| Pici | I guess I should count myself as lucky for not haivn any rsi issues. | 15:14 |
| LjL | well i never had something like this before... | 15:14 |
| Seeker` | I do use both hands, but I am left handed, and I tyype prettym uch everything left of "u j m" with my lef hand | 15:14 |
| LjL | i mean, after playing TEG for hours my fingers felt a little weird | 15:14 |
| Seeker` | TEG? | 15:15 |
| LjL | but i wasn't playing TEG for hours now | 15:15 |
| LjL | !info tegclient | 15:15 |
| ubotu | Package tegclient does not exist in gutsy | 15:15 |
| LjL | !info teg | 15:15 |
| ubotu | teg: Turn based strategy game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11.2-1 (gutsy), package size 2392 kB, installed size 3708 kB | 15:15 |
| LjL | risk | 15:15 |
| Seeker` | my friend got RSI really bad, he was on strong anti-inflammitories, used wrist supports and a graphics tablet | 15:15 |
| Seeker` | he also used workrave | 15:15 |
| Seeker` | !workrave | 15:16 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about workrave - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 15:16 |
| Seeker` | meh :( | 15:16 |
| Seeker` | !info workrave | 15:16 |
| ubotu | workrave: RSI prevention tool. In component main, is optional. Version 1.8.4-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 855 kB, installed size 2564 kB | 15:16 |
| TheSheep | Seeker`: evil thing | 15:18 |
| Seeker` | TheSheep: oh? | 15:18 |
| TheSheep | Seeker`: don't know what's worse, rsi or heart attack :) | 15:18 |
| Seeker` | heart attack? | 15:19 |
| Pici | I could learn to type with my feet. | 15:19 |
| Seeker` | Pici: You could also pay someone else to tpye for you! | 15:20 |
| Pici | I was getting pain in my wrists at one point, but I use a gel wrist pad now and don't have any problems. | 15:20 |
| Seeker` | hmm, is it too early to go to the pub? | 15:21 |
| Seeker` | LjL: The floodbots working ok? | 15:23 |
| Pici | they're flooding... | 15:23 |
| Pici | Although I do regularly crack my knuckles, maybe I'm setting myself up for joint pain in the future. | 15:25 |
| Seeker` | Pici: I do that too | 15:25 |
| Pici | It would be quicker to list the joints that I dont regularly crack then the other way. | 15:25 |
| Seeker` | crack my knuckles that is, the floodbots are doing enough flooding for the both of us | 15:26 |
| Seeker` | hmm, i think it my be pub time | 15:31 |
| Seeker` | seeya | 15:31 |
| Pici | byas | 15:32 |
| LjL | Seeker`, i'm relatively satisfied at the moment | 15:33 |
| LjL | I had just finished reading the sixth chapter of 2001 space Odyssey | 15:39 |
| LjL | It doesn't really seem like the recognition accuracy has improved very much, though | 15:40 |
| ikonia | heads up guys, just got PM's from super-sonic-sega complaining about being kciked, he's got loads of autoscripts thats responds to things, eg: if I say "lol" in channel it will respond in lol | 15:47 |
| ikonia | he's gonna cause trouble | 15:47 |
| Tm_T | ikonia: thanks | 15:48 |
| Tm_T | ikonia: other triggers? | 15:48 |
| ikonia | Tm_T: help | 15:48 |
| ikonia | and a few othres | 15:48 |
| ikonia | he's "leet script kid" or so he says and wants to show off | 15:48 |
| ikonia | got a ton of pm crap about it | 15:48 |
| Tm_T | ikonia: something which isn't help or lol or similar? | 15:49 |
| Tm_T | neutral etc | 15:49 |
| ikonia | not sure | 15:49 |
| ikonia | he was spouting crap | 15:49 |
| Tm_T | roger | 15:49 |
| ikonia | hard to know what was real and what was false | 15:49 |
| Pici | ikonia: do you mind pastebinning the log? | 15:51 |
| Tm_T | I like to see it too | 15:51 |
| Tm_T | pastebin or some txt somewhere | 15:51 |
| ikonia | Pici: let me see what I've got | 15:51 |
| ikonia | my buffer is not a lot | 15:51 |
| Pici | Better than nothing | 15:51 |
| ikonia | I've got about 4 lines | 15:52 |
| ikonia | sorry | 15:52 |
| ikonia | pastebin or here ? | 15:52 |
| Tm_T | here | 15:52 |
| Tm_T | 4 lines is nothing in this case :p | 15:52 |
| ikonia | <Super-Sonic-Sega> I think your just jealous that I'm a better script then you | 15:52 |
| ikonia | 15:42 <ikonia> yup | 15:52 |
| ikonia | 15:42 <ikonia> your right | 15:52 |
| ikonia | 15:42 <ikonia> bye | 15:52 |
| ikonia | 15:42 <Super-Sonic-Sega> w/e loser | 15:52 |
| ikonia | kk | 15:52 |
| ikonia | kk was me doing crtl+k to paste - sorry | 15:52 |
| Tm_T | :p | 15:53 |
| ikonia | I think he saw me say "ban him" | 15:53 |
| Tm_T | heh | 15:53 |
| ikonia | so I explained I didn't ban him and he should enjoy it | 15:53 |
| ikonia | "I'm l33t" etc etc etc | 15:53 |
| ikonia | so I just ended it | 15:53 |
| Pici | I'm going to try the 'lol' test again, and if it goes off, I will ban him. | 15:53 |
| ikonia | ok | 15:53 |
| Pici | I told him to turn the script off already. | 15:53 |
| ikonia | he failed :) | 15:54 |
| Tm_T | Pici: danke | 15:54 |
| ikonia | gratzi mille | 15:54 |
| ikonia | ughhh | 15:54 |
| ikonia | now he's pming me | 15:54 |
| ikonia | I thoought I turned it off etc | 15:54 |
| ikonia | I don't know why he thinks its me that banned him | 15:54 |
| Tm_T | doesn't matter | 15:54 |
| Pici | Why is he bothering you? | 15:54 |
| ikonia | no, he's on ignore | 15:55 |
| Tm_T | forward to here | 15:55 |
| ikonia | not a big deal | 15:55 |
| Pici | %btlogin | 15:55 |
| FloodBot3 | WARNING: ChanServ is not replying, removing limit | 16:00 |
| Tm_T | boring :( | 16:01 |
| Pici | interesting | 16:01 |
| Tm_T | ikonia: get him here? | 16:01 |
| ikonia | he's logged off | 16:01 |
| ikonia | as far as I know | 16:01 |
| Tm_T | :( | 16:01 |
| ikonia | I stuck him on ignore | 16:01 |
| Tm_T | he is apparently | 16:01 |
| ikonia | the last lines before I ignored him | 16:02 |
| ikonia | <ikonia> upi are banned now | 16:02 |
| ikonia | 15:51 <ikonia> I didn't do it though | 16:02 |
| ikonia | 15:52 <Super-Sonic-Sega> Well I don't want to be in there if people can't papreciate my awesome 1337 scripts. | 16:02 |
| ikonia | 15:52 <Super-Sonic-Sega> >:( | 16:02 |
| ikonia | 15:52 <Super-Sonic-Sega> * apreciate | 16:02 |
| ikonia | 15:52 <ikonia> good | 16:02 |
| ikonia | 15:52 <ikonia> enjoy being banned then | 16:02 |
| ikonia | 15:52 <ikonia> people didn't appricaite it | 16:02 |
| ikonia | 15:52 <Super-Sonic-Sega> well they are noobs then. | 16:02 |
| ikonia | (for your ammusment | 16:02 |
| ikonia | now he's showing as offline so I can't direct him in | 16:03 |
| Pici | No loss | 16:03 |
| ikonia | not at all | 16:03 |
| ikonia | I'm too noob to appriciate his l33t scripts | 16:04 |
| elkbuntu | oh loordy... /msg nickserv info super-sonic-sega and note his quit message | 16:05 |
| Pici | thats a 1337 script | 16:05 |
| ikonia | yup, he had me fooled with that | 16:06 |
| ikonia | he's mega | 16:06 |
| ikonia | "lol" | 16:06 |
| * ikonia waits | 16:06 | |
| Tm_T | :( | 16:06 |
| ikonia | I wonder what the other triggers where | 16:08 |
| Tm_T | ikonia: like to see leet scripts? | 16:08 |
| ikonia | yeah | 16:09 |
| ikonia | educate me | 16:09 |
| ikonia | I'm a noob etc etc etc | 16:09 |
| Tm_T | ikonia: join #ubuntu-fi and say WRAARRR!!! I just installed gutsy ARRRRR!!! | 16:09 |
| ikonia | nice ! | 16:13 |
| ikonia | Tm_T: thanks for that ! | 16:14 |
| Tm_T | ikonia: :) | 16:14 |
| Tm_T | one spammer made me do that | 16:14 |
| Tm_T | myrtti had fun with it then earlier | 16:15 |
| ikonia | ha ha ha | 16:19 |
| ikonia | 'tis a good one | 16:19 |
| Tm_T | ? | 16:21 |
| ikonia | a good script | 16:21 |
| Tm_T | well yea, he repeats same spam so when he comes he gets quickly removed | 16:21 |
| ikonia | genius | 16:22 |
| ikonia | I think I saw him in #ubuntu last night actually | 16:22 |
| ikonia | the WAaaaaa thing made me remember | 16:22 |
| Tm_T | yup | 16:26 |
| Tm_T | tomato monster | 16:26 |
| Tm_T | hits #kde-devel mostly | 16:26 |
| Tm_T | what I have seen | 16:27 |
| stdin | he hits everywhere, including #qt and ##c++ | 16:27 |
| Tm_T | oh | 16:27 |
| Tm_T | lovely | 16:27 |
| ikonia | has anyone thought about making #ubuntu reg users only ? | 16:29 |
| Tm_T | and don't allow new users in? | 16:30 |
| Tm_T | not a good idea IMO except when really really needed | 16:30 |
| stdin | then the place we send un-registered users would get flooded and attacked. just moves the problem to another channel | 16:30 |
| Tm_T | yup | 16:31 |
| ikonia | fair point | 16:31 |
| Tm_T | and new users fails to get help | 16:31 |
| ikonia | I queried because of the ammount of unregged users not getting pm's from ubuot | 16:31 |
| ikonia | ubout | 16:31 |
| ikonia | ubotu | 16:31 |
| ikonia | man typing is bad today | 16:31 |
| stdin | unregged users can receive /msgs, just can't send them | 16:31 |
| Tm_T | unless you allow them to msg you | 16:32 |
| stdin | yep | 16:32 |
| ikonia | really, a few have been complaining they don't get anything from ubotu | 16:32 |
| stdin | sometimes they expect a new window to pop-up, rather than a new tab | 16:32 |
| stdin | x-mirc users and MSM people mostly :p | 16:33 |
| Tm_T | MSM= | 16:33 |
| Tm_T | ? | 16:33 |
| ikonia | yes, I guess it could be user perception error, rather than an actual problem | 16:33 |
| stdin | Tm_T: actually it's "Windows Live Messenger" now :p | 16:34 |
| Tm_T | stdin: I know | 16:59 |
| PriceChild | *wonders why GoldenPony hasn't been auto-voiced* | 17:03 |
| legolas-San_ | Why are the Ubuntu channels #Ubuntu-<country> instead of #Ubuntu-<language>? | 17:10 |
| Pici | RoAkSoAx: Can we help you? | 17:10 |
| PriceChild | legolas-San_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/ChannelNaming is the naming policy we use. | 17:10 |
| RoAkSoAx | Pici, i just wanted to red the explanation PriceChild is going to give legolas-San_ about why channels are ubuntu-<country> and not ubuntu-<language> | 17:11 |
| PriceChild | legolas-San_, What used to happen was that locos just made their channel... and gave support there. We're just based these guidelines upon the already happenning ways. | 17:11 |
| PriceChild | *We've | 17:11 |
| PriceChild | so that future loco teams follow the already set practices | 17:11 |
| PriceChild | If we had language channels... we'd then need more loco channels than the other way around. | 17:13 |
| legolas-San_ | Hmm... | 17:14 |
| legolas-San_ | Loco? | 17:14 |
| PriceChild | !loco | 17:14 |
| ubotu | Information on Ubuntu Local Community Teams is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams | 17:15 |
| LjL | legolas-San_, Local Community. anyway, loco channels can decide that they do not give support, and support is only given in another loco channel (if that other loco channel agrees) | 17:15 |
| LjL | so for instance there are many spanish loco channels that just tell people to join #ubuntu-es for support | 17:15 |
| legolas-San_ | What I like about Ubuntu is that it now feels like the official Linux distro somehow. That's what "Linux" needs -- a common "face". | 17:15 |
| legolas-San_ | Why -XX instead of .XX, though? Yes, I know I wonder a lot of things... | 17:16 |
| LjL | legolas-San, this is IRC, not the web =) | 17:16 |
| legolas-San_ | Yes, but... :S | 17:17 |
| Tm_T | but? | 17:17 |
| legolas-San_ | :( | 17:17 |
| legolas-San_ | Dunno. | 17:17 |
| legolas-San_ | Just that even on IRC, .XX seems to be pretty common. | 17:18 |
| legolas-San_ | Maybe you can use .XX for language channels as opposed to location channels? ^^ | 17:18 |
| Tm_T | why? | 17:18 |
| Tm_T | I mean why we need lang channels with loco channels? | 17:18 |
| legolas-San_ | I dunno. For people who speak language X but are living in a different country than the main one of that language. | 17:18 |
| Tm_T | and? | 17:19 |
| Tm_T | just to make more channels where you're the only one? | 17:19 |
| Tm_T | no point to spread it further without real purpose | 17:19 |
| legolas-San_ | Huh?! | 17:21 |
| legolas-San_ | Has somebody made a series of historical screenshot of each Ubuntu release? | 17:22 |
| Tm_T | there is somewhere | 17:25 |
| Tm_T | anyway, this is not a place to ask that | 17:25 |
| Pricey | What does my router think it is... | 17:38 |
| Seeker` | Pricey: problems? | 17:39 |
| Seeker` | LjL: Waht is the reasoning behind setting -l when one of the bots dies? | 17:39 |
| Pricey | Not sure... its dropped twice in as many hours. | 17:39 |
| Pricey | Seeker`, a bot dying is normally a sign of a netsplit or server death or services death... | 17:40 |
| LjL | or just bot death anyway | 17:40 |
| LjL | and if the bot is opped, another one must take over | 17:40 |
| Pricey | Seeker`, netsplits and services death may mean we're unable to op. That means we can't -l ourselves if the channel grows naturally larger and the services or whatever dont' come back up. | 17:40 |
| Seeker` | Pricey: Yes, but why does the bot quitting = services death? | 17:41 |
| Seeker` | and isn't the point of the redundancy to continue "normal" operation? | 17:41 |
| LjL | well, if the bot is on the dead server... | 17:41 |
| LjL | no Seeker` | 17:41 |
| Pricey | It isn't redundancy at all. | 17:41 |
| Pricey | well | 17:41 |
| Pricey | *will be quiet now* | 17:42 |
| LjL | the point of redundancy is to make sure the limit is *un*set if anything is wrong | 17:42 |
| LjL | to avoid the drawbacks of +J | 17:42 |
| LjL | otherwise we'd just use +J | 17:42 |
| LjL | My first priority, while writing the bot, was to ensure that users wouldn't be blocked from the Channel | 17:45 |
| LjL | The second priority is to avoid attacks | 17:45 |
| LjL | But the first priority over a right to the second priority | 17:46 |
| LjL | overrides | 17:46 |
| Tm_T | agreed | 17:46 |
| Pici | I like it thus far for the mass join detection | 17:46 |
| Tm_T | I need more ram | 17:47 |
| LjL | Pici, you should like it even more | 17:47 |
| LjL | the reason exploit | 17:47 |
| LjL | sigh | 17:47 |
| Pici | reason? | 17:47 |
| LjL | You should like it even more the next time there is an exploit | 17:47 |
| Pici | Ooh, I guess I'll somewhat look forward to that then | 17:48 |
| mc44 | hahaha | 17:48 |
| mc44 | LjL: the reason the reason typo | 17:48 |
| LjL | so am I | 17:48 |
| Pricey | LjL, how much have you tested that bit? 8-) | 17:49 |
| LjL | Pricey, not very much admittedly, but I'm pretty confident it should work | 17:49 |
| LjL | And less confident that it works with other kinds of attacks | 17:50 |
| LjL | Which were harder to test without actually making an attack | 17:50 |
| LjL | mc44: this thing plain sucks, is to pay for Italian, and not just because my English accent is terrible | 17:51 |
| LjL | is to pay = it is ok | 17:51 |
| LjL | Also because English is just an awkward language | 17:51 |
| LjL | Were all words sound alike | 17:51 |
| Pricey | haha ;) | 17:51 |
| LjL | Including where and where | 17:51 |
| Pricey | don't you mean where and were? | 17:51 |
| LjL | Yes, I suppose I mean that | 17:52 |
| LjL | But how can I tell it to the programme? | 17:52 |
| LjL | And how can I tell you to spell decently, such as program and not programme | 17:53 |
| mc44 | should be a command to scroll through homophones | 17:53 |
| LjL | Well, perhaps I shouldn't have choose an Indian English as variant to use | 17:54 |
| Gary | woo l just installed loadsa ram in my laptop | 17:54 |
| LjL | mc44: there is a command to spell but it's not quite handy to use, anyway it's supposed to pick up words from context | 17:55 |
| LjL | of course, its idea of context is sometimes awkward | 17:55 |
| LjL | Of course, its idea of context is sometimes awkward | 17:56 |
| LjL | See, the line above what was interpreted perfectly | 17:56 |
| LjL | While absolutely couldn't get it to write " the recent man to spell" | 17:57 |
| LjL | (there is a command to spell) | 17:57 |
| ubotu | DaSkreech called the ops in #ubuntu () | 18:28 |
| symlink` | hello | 18:29 |
| symlink` | I just fixed the DCC vuln on my router, and I would like to be let back into #ubuntu | 18:29 |
| tomaw | Pricey: note that guy didn't exactly have a connection problem | 18:33 |
| Pricey | tomaw, yeah someone just pointed that out to me.... its still better than a straightforward ban... I'll remove it in a little. | 18:33 |
| Pici | Someone was ghosting him, he reconnects, gets ghosted.. | 18:34 |
| tomaw | Not someone | 18:34 |
| tomaw | One of our utilities was colliding his nick for some reason | 18:34 |
| Pici | Whats hints then? | 18:34 |
| Pici | hm. | 18:34 |
| Pici | Odd. | 18:34 |
| tomaw | There's be a reason for it, I just don't know what it is :) | 18:34 |
| tomaw | s/s/ll/ | 18:34 |
| Pricey | "root" was jacob btw (ubuntu member) | 18:44 |
| * Pici wonders why anyone, especially a member, is running irc as root | 18:44 | |
| Gary | I am, well if running Vista counts... :-) | 18:47 |
| === Pricey is now known as PriceChild | ||
| * Gary hides | 18:47 | |
| Pici | I'm going home, -offtopic is a bit rowdy today | 18:58 |
| Gary | set it moderated then | 18:59 |
| PriceChild | Gary, you have the helm | 18:59 |
| Gary | argh | 19:00 |
| Gary | can I kick em all? | 19:00 |
| ubotu | In ubotu, pike_ said: teamspeak is TeamSpeak is the proprietry VoIP software see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TeamSpeak | 19:24 |
| ubotu | In ubotu, pike_ said: TeamSpeak is the proprietry VoIP software see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TeamSpeak | 19:25 |
| ubotu | In ubotu, pike_ said: TeamSpeak is the proprietry VoIP software see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TeamSpeak For a open source alternative consider using Mumble http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ | 19:47 |
| FloodBot3 | WARNING: ChanServ is not replying, removing limit | 20:00 |
| Mez | LjL, I don't think that FloodBot1 should output that warning when it's in #ubuntu | 20:59 |
| ubotu | In #ubuntu, markus_ said: ubotu: my problem is a little more complicated^^, i have two ubuntus on my notebook, and the false grub is in the mbr | 21:02 |
| Gary | aww | 21:03 |
| FloodBot3 | !ops | Mass join | 21:37 |
| ubotu | dgjones called the ops in #ubuntu () | 21:37 |
| Tm_T | meh | 21:38 |
| ubotu | genii called the ops in #ubuntu () | 21:38 |
| PriceChild | If only we had some sort of anti-flood measure... | 21:40 |
| PriceChild | Don't know why I was opped there :/ | 21:41 |
| nalioth | PriceChild: we soon will have an antiflood measure | 21:42 |
| PriceChild | *grins* | 21:42 |
| PriceChild | nalioth, we ok to -r? | 21:48 |
| nalioth | let's -R first | 21:49 |
| PriceChild | Whoops I didn't see that. | 21:53 |
| tomaw | What are these floodbots btw? | 21:56 |
| nalioth | tomaw: channel limit setting bots (like in #debian) | 21:56 |
| nalioth | tomaw: if they'd been 'live' today, that attack would have not been as severe | 21:57 |
| PriceChild | They're doing in here what they will hopefully be doing in #ubuntu soon. | 21:57 |
| tomaw | what's the advantage of that over +J? | 21:57 |
| PriceChild | Hopefully these will be nicer on server death. | 21:57 |
| tomaw | hmm? | 21:58 |
| nalioth | tomaw: during splits +J isn't nice | 21:58 |
| tomaw | In what way? | 21:59 |
| tomaw | split shouldn't matter. | 21:59 |
| PriceChild | +J handles splits fine doesn't it nalioth? | 21:59 |
| tomaw | if we killed an ircd and people reconnected to another then yeah, +J would be a pain | 21:59 |
| nalioth | the mass rejoins all get shunted to #ubuntu-unregged, tomaw | 21:59 |
| PriceChild | But when a server dies... all the clients normally reconnect immediately.... then get hit by +J | 21:59 |
| tomaw | nalioth: a rejoining servers users should pass straight through +J, surely? | 22:00 |
| nalioth | tomaw: they do not | 22:01 |
| tomaw | hrm | 22:01 |
| nalioth | tomaw: or they don't seem to | 22:01 |
| nalioth | we were running +J a while back and somethning happened and we ended up with hundreds of folks in -unregged | 22:02 |
| PriceChild | that was server death | 22:02 |
| PriceChild | the splits were fine | 22:02 |
| PriceChild | I'm going to -r? | 22:02 |
| tomaw | nalioth: +J won't affect users who haven't reconnected | 22:03 |
| nalioth | PriceChild: go for it | 22:03 |
| tomaw | so, if we split a server off now and reconnected it, users wouldn't be affected by +J | 22:03 |
| tomaw | however, if a server explodes and people connect to another (or reconnect to the same one, potentially) then they will | 22:04 |
| * PriceChild wonders if you guys all have a big red button labelled "split off server 1" | 22:04 | |
| nalioth | well, i'm not the most technical person, but in the past, +J has caused problems | 22:04 |
| tomaw | nalioth: never has in #gentoo :) | 22:04 |
| tomaw | also, you're going to need similar code to maintain the +l anyway | 22:04 |
| tomaw | (that and +l is noisy) | 22:04 |
| PriceChild | hmm yeah | 22:05 |
| tomaw | how long do you leave it after kornbluth splits before reducing your limit by a good few hundred, etc | 22:05 |
| PriceChild | Why don't we use +J instead of +l.... but still the bots monitoring watching for death | 22:05 |
| LjL | Mez, it has a concept of being in *two* channels, and outputting warnings in one while changing the limits in the other. it just currently does both in here. | 22:06 |
| crdlb | well the advantage of +l is that it's not really vulnerable to server death is it? | 22:06 |
| PriceChild | crdlb, neither is +J with this system? | 22:06 |
| PriceChild | I'm sure there's a good reason we've discussed before 8-) | 22:07 |
| tomaw | +J will hurt if an ircd crashes | 22:07 |
| LjL | tomaw, there's also the case when the servers *split* (don't *die*) but the split causes so many quit/rejoin messages that hundreds of people do down with SendQ Exceeded. when they all rejoin at once, they're bounced to -unregged | 22:08 |
| tomaw | LjL: yeah, that too | 22:08 |
| tomaw | you'll need fancy +l code to mitigate that, of course | 22:08 |
| crdlb | PriceChild: +l is based on the absolute number of people in the channel, so if a bunch of people leave, then rejoin over the next few minutes, there's no problem | 22:08 |
| LjL | PriceChild, i *have* proposed that we use +J *with* the bots watching for it... yesterday, i think, and you replied :P | 22:08 |
| tomaw | modifying +J dynamically could be interesting maths | 22:09 |
| PriceChild | tomaw, no... because the bots notice this and -J immediately? | 22:09 |
| LjL | but PriceChild, there could admittedly still be some more risks compared to +l, although i personally believe it'd be a workable solution | 22:09 |
| LjL | tomaw, the +l code is already quite fancy. if the bots detect that "many" users quit, they go into a mode where +l is only decremented very slightlu | 22:09 |
| tomaw | :) | 22:10 |
| LjL | debugsplit | 22:11 |
| FloodBot3 | Simulating a netsplit with 244 users lost due to debug command | 22:11 |
| FloodBot3 | !netsplit | 22:11 |
| PriceChild | So what's wrong with the bots just doing +-J then... | 22:11 |
| LjL | err, where are my bots though | 22:11 |
| LjL | PriceChild: the fact that +J, in any case, doesn't limit the *total amount* of users, but the *join rate*. my bots also "emulate" the latter, but in quite a different way | 22:12 |
| PriceChild | Why's that better? | 22:12 |
| LjL | PriceChild: you could end up in an emergency situation where the bots, after a while, think there's no emergency anymore, and set +l again | 22:12 |
| LjL | PriceChild: with +l, that's not very bad, because they set it to the previous value - i.e. still those 1200 users or so that were there previously | 22:13 |
| LjL | PriceChild: if, instead, they set +J back, we're back to the situation where everyone's redirected to -unregged | 22:13 |
| PriceChild | hmm | 22:13 |
| LjL | debugrejoin | 22:13 |
| FloodBot3 | Simulating a rejoin from netsplit due to debug command | 22:13 |
| FloodBot3 | Synced to #ubuntu, 1187 users present | 22:13 |
| LjL | PriceChild: admittedly, that's a pretty worst case scenario. as i said, i think it *is* a valid solution | 22:13 |
| PriceChild | k | 22:14 |
| PriceChild | Anyone got a script to clear -unregged? :/ | 22:14 |
| LjL | PriceChild, with +J that would be bad to have ;) | 22:14 |
| LjL | PriceChild: i could implement that in the bots themselves anyway | 22:15 |
| LjL | they already know about -unregged (and are in it) | 22:15 |
| PriceChild | hehe | 22:15 |
| LjL | uhm, and they've perhaps been a bit too eager to inform users that they should register | 22:17 |
| LjL | they were still doing it way after the "emergency" passed...? at least it looks like that from my logs | 22:17 |
| PriceChild | LjL, shouldn't you make a new trigger for that | 22:19 |
| LjL | PriceChild, a trigger for what? telling users, or kicking? | 22:19 |
| PriceChild | and perhaps verify it against a hostname/only allowed to be triggered from this channel for something. | 22:20 |
| PriceChild | Kicking. | 22:20 |
| PriceChild | s/for/or/ | 22:20 |
| LjL | yeah. it's one of the things that it might be a bit dangerous to implement, so it's not coming right now | 22:20 |
| PriceChild | ok :P | 22:21 |
| PriceChild | LjL, I'm just hearing about how all us loco channels should migrate to "correct" naming scheme? | 22:22 |
| PriceChild | nalioth, ^ | 22:22 |
| PriceChild | I thought that policy was just for new channels? | 22:22 |
| LjL | PriceChild, i was a bit confused about it yesterday, but anyway the end result is that all channels should migrate. it's a good end result IMHO. | 22:23 |
| crdlb | LjL: what about having the bot kick people who paste in the channel? | 22:23 |
| Gary | what's the new scheme? | 22:24 |
| nalioth | PriceChild: do you think that it's fair for #ubuntu-georgia to belong to the US state, just because they got there first? | 22:24 |
| crdlb | Gary: #ubuntu-us-st | 22:24 |
| PriceChild | crdlb, I don't like the idea of that.... I see a lot of users in other channels getting kicked because they type really really fast | 22:24 |
| PriceChild | nalioth, I never said that. | 22:24 |
| crdlb | PriceChild: then they deserve to be kicked for !enter :) | 22:24 |
| crdlb | but it should have a very high threshold | 22:24 |
| nalioth | PriceChild: well, that is why 'migrations' are suggested | 22:24 |
| LjL | crdlb, that's more complicated than it sounds. i'm not excluding that sort of features, but not before i know the basic ones work right. | 22:24 |
| jjesse | hello i just read on IrcTeam/Cloaks that i can be cloaked so show ubuntu/member/nickname how would i go getting that setup? | 22:25 |
| PriceChild | I thought that document was a guideline for new channels... and the council resolves any current/future conflicts | 22:25 |
| Gary | so essex could be #ubuntu-uk-essex ? | 22:25 |
| LjL | anyway, be back later | 22:25 |
| PriceChild | !member | jjesse | 22:25 |
| ubotu | jjesse: Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember | 22:25 |
| jjesse | already a member | 22:25 |
| PriceChild | gah that's not the page I thoguht it was. | 22:25 |
| PriceChild | jjesse, have you linked 2 nicks and set an email? | 22:25 |
| jjesse | linked 2 nicks? | 22:25 |
| PriceChild | !register | 22:26 |
| ubotu | By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration | 22:26 |
| LjL | Gary, that's about US channels for now... it's valid for other nationalities too, but wait a moment before doing anything with them. the guidelines specify "YY" as a region code, which could mean "only two letters"... i think they should be changed to specify that, if there exists a two-letters code (used in addresses for example) to identify the region, it should be used, otherwise it's full name | 22:26 |
| jjesse | ah my nickname jjesse is registered | 22:26 |
| LjL | anyway be back later | 22:26 |
| PriceChild | jjesse, that factoid explains how to link an alternate nickname. | 22:26 |
| PriceChild | jjesse, you should get two registered nicks linked, set an email, then poke us again :) | 22:26 |
| PriceChild | (back to previous convo) I was thinking we weren't going to impose ourselves and tell them _everyone_ had to change... | 22:27 |
| jjesse | PriceChild: ok thanks | 22:27 |
| PriceChild | Which I'm getting the impression has happenned? :/ | 22:27 |
| PriceChild | Or has the message been missunderstood along the way? | 22:28 |
| Gary | yeah, not like that not ever happened before... | 22:30 |
| PriceChild | nalioth, LjL? | 22:30 |
| Seeker` | PriceChild: Should -uk be -gb then? | 22:31 |
| PriceChild | Gary, it happens all the time... I'm just getting a very strong impression that they are royally pissed off :) | 22:31 |
| PriceChild | Seeker`, uk is fine... there's no need to change is there? | 22:31 |
| PriceChild | nalioth, could you cloak jjesse please? | 22:32 |
| nalioth | PriceChild: sure | 22:32 |
| PriceChild | nalioth, thanks | 22:33 |
| PriceChild | LjL, btw they haven't stopped in -unregged. | 22:34 |
| Seeker` | PriceChild: Well, if everyone has to change to the "proper" code... | 22:35 |
| Gary | join #ubuntu-gb | 22:35 |
| PriceChild | Seeker`, I don't remember the council saying everyone had to move... | 22:35 |
| Gary | he he | 22:36 |
| PriceChild | already forwards doesn't it? | 22:37 |
| PriceChild | maybe not | 22:37 |
| nalioth | gentlemen, the 'request to migrate' is aimed at primarily the US channels which use #ubuntu-XX as their channel name | 22:37 |
| PriceChild | I'm just concerned because from their side it sounds like an 'order' | 22:38 |
| Gary | PriceChild, it'll forward as soon as i remember the command | 22:47 |
| PriceChild | Gary, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/MovingChannels | 22:48 |
| * Mez slaps Gary | 22:51 | |
| Gary | done | 22:52 |
| * Seeker` prods Gary | 22:52 | |
| Gary | ouch | 22:52 |
| Mez | Gark - why #ubuntu-gb? uk is a valid iso code | 22:53 |
| Mez | Gary * | 22:54 |
| Seeker` | Mez: As is -gb | 22:55 |
| Mez | yes... | 22:55 |
| Gary | well yeah, but many think it is gb, as do i when doing keyboard codes... | 22:55 |
| Mez | but -gb and -uk are seperate things | 22:55 |
| Mez | if you had -gb, you'd have to have -ie too | 22:55 |
| Gary | but .ie already have a channel | 22:56 |
| Mez | uber :D | 22:57 |
| Gary | i'd not go there, they are all drunk :p | 22:58 |
| PriceChild | nalioth, LjL are we not discussing this? :/ | 22:59 |
| nalioth | i thought we had | 23:00 |
| nalioth | 'primarily aimed at US loco channels who have squatted on other countries iso codes' ? | 23:01 |
| nalioth | such as #ubuntu-tn and #ubuntu-sc | 23:01 |
| PriceChild | Yeah and I'm agreeing that in these cases its best that the Council look after the discussion/debate/discussion of naming... My problem here is that the us loco teams seem to have the impression that they all need to move asap because we said so. | 23:02 |
| PriceChild | One of the big issues we had at the meeting when we discussed this, was that we didn't want to impose ourselves, and revolutionise everything, moving everyone around. | 23:03 |
| nalioth | right | 23:04 |
| Gary | woo, i have access on channels i cannot remember ever being in | 23:06 |
| PriceChild | Great | 23:30 |
| Seeker` | Gary: such as? | 23:41 |
| Gary | #ubuntu-uk-chat (forwards to _uk) | 23:42 |
| bigfuzzyjesus | so when can i go in #ubuntu-offtopic | 23:43 |
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