[00:11] <mneptok> those join/parts gonna slow down anytime soon? :)
[00:12] <LjL> pwah, i've done it twice today
[00:12] <LjL> thrice, just because you asked
[00:13] <PriceChild> LjL, what's happenned with them?
[00:13] <nalioth> PriceChild: he quit 2 of them, and the 3d is doing what it's supposed to
[00:13] <LjL> nothing PriceChild, i just modified some things and restarted them.
[00:13] <PriceChild> ah ok
[00:14] <LjL> nothing big, changed the lag tolerance a little, made the logs less awfully verbose...
[00:14] <Tm_T> yay
[00:15] <LjL> Tm_T, the *logs*. the one that are saved on my computer. on the stuff they print in here :P
[00:15] <Tm_T> I know
[00:15] <LjL> s/one/ones/ and s/on/not/
[00:16] <Tm_T> :)
[00:16] <Tm_T> I got that
[00:17] <PriceChild> LjL, hmm what about all of them always talking in -unregged...
[00:17] <Tm_T> mm?
[00:17] <Tm_T> PriceChild: op me on proxy channel?
[00:19] <LjL> PriceChild, yeah, they talk there when they're in emergency mode now. previously, they'd only do that after they'd set +r
[00:20] <LjL> and when they join, they're in emergency mode
[00:21] <Tm_T> PriceChild: thanks
[00:22] <Tm_T> felt lonely when didn't saw all speech
[00:23] <nalioth> what speech?
[00:24] <Tm_T> I don't know because I didn't saw it
[00:24] <nalioth> are you referring to #ubuntu-proxy-users or #ubuntu-unregged ?
[00:24] <Tm_T> #ubuntu-proxy-users
[00:24] <nalioth> there have been no speeches in there
[00:25] <Tm_T> you lie ;(
[00:27] <PriceChild> if there was, you would have seen for we are opped
[00:27] <ubotu> soundray called the ops in #ubuntu (excrete abusing channel)
[01:27] <mneptok> LjL: do they really need to set limits here? the scrool is a bit much.
[01:28] <nalioth> mneptok: all this will be much less when they go 'live'
[01:32] <Soskel> hi
[01:32] <mneptok> hello Soskel 
[01:32] <Soskel> could someone unban me from here and from #ubuntu please
[01:32] <mneptok> Soskel: you're not banned here. your presence speaks to that.
[01:33] <Soskel> I was invited here
[01:33] <nalioth> mneptok: i just unbanned him
[01:33] <Soskel> oh
[01:33] <Soskel> could you also form ubuntu please nalioth, thanks
[01:33] <nalioth> Soskel: please stay on topic in #ubuntu 
[01:33] <Soskel> will do
[01:33] <Soskel> wait
[01:34] <Soskel> does it say if there was a reason why I was banend?
[01:34] <nalioth> yes. you were wildly off topic
[01:34] <Soskel> wow
[01:35] <mneptok> Soskel: you were also incredibly rude to Seveas in this channel.
[01:35] <Soskel> I don't remember any of this...
[01:35] <mhatcher> drugs
[01:35] <nalioth> well, that may be for the best.  enjoy
[01:35] <mneptok> 2007-10-16T01:05:30 <Seveas> Soskel, please leave if you have nothing useful to say
[01:35] <mneptok> 2007-10-16T01:05:50 <Soskel> Seveas: please stfu
[01:35] <Soskel> ???
[01:36] <Soskel> wait
[01:36] <Soskel> that was last month, October 16? 
[01:36] <mneptok> correct
[01:37] <nalioth> mneptok: it's past and done.
[01:37] <mneptok> nalioth: agreed. but i thought he might like a reminder of what kinds of behaviors are not tolerated.
[01:37] <Soskel> so can I be unbanned please?
[01:37] <mhatcher> so when was he banned?
[01:37] <nalioth> mhatcher: oct 16th or thereabouts
[01:38] <mneptok> Soskel: you have already been unbanned. please stay on-topic and abide by the Ubuntu Code Of Conduct.
[01:38] <mhatcher> weird :)
[01:38] <Soskel> thank toy
[01:38] <Soskel> *you
[01:38]  * mneptok points at nalioth 
[01:38] <mneptok> thanks go thataway
[01:39] <mneptok> bribes come this way.
[01:39] <mneptok> ;)
[01:39] <Soskel> :/
[01:40] <mhatcher> 2000 users on a single channel is not a nice practice 
[01:41] <LjL> Who has
[01:41] <LjL>  2000 users on a single channel?
[01:42] <mhatcher> well it is 1000
[01:42] <LjL> Prepared to see awfully funny phrases from me
[01:43] <LjL> I am trying to use speech recognition
[01:43] <mhatcher> start with hello
[01:43] <Tm_T> :))
[01:43] <Tm_T> mhatcher: ?
[01:43] <LjL> Herbal
[01:43] <LjL> See?
[01:44] <mneptok> LjL: pn'aa vuu ghaghnasdiak tl'aas k'tiri?
[01:44] <LjL> Yes, I totally agree
[01:44]  * mneptok nods sagely
[01:45] <Tm_T> mhatcher: what about 1000 users?
[01:45] <LjL> At least, this makes me use capital letters correctly
[01:45] <mhatcher> too many questions
[01:45] <mhatcher> too many answers
[01:46] <mhatcher> and what not
[01:46] <Tm_T> mhatcher: better solution?
[01:46] <LjL> Holding the microphone hurts my hand of more than typing however
[01:46] <Tm_T> LjL: aye, I can feeel your pain
[01:46] <mhatcher> get smaller channels
[01:46] <Tm_T> mhatcher: how?
[01:46] <mhatcher> #ubuntu1 #ubuntu2 ...
[01:47] <mhatcher> XD
[01:47] <Tm_T> mhatcher: and how making sure that guy who knows about foo is in channel where that is asked?
[01:47] <LjL> Tm_T you, you cannot feel the pain of being told by Dr to choose the keyboard and mouse any more for a while
[01:47] <LjL> It hurts the sour
[01:47] <Tm_T> sour =)
[01:48] <LjL> Sour sour so so so solved
[01:48] <Tm_T> :p
[01:48] <mhatcher> some bot should pm spam pro users with messages from other channels 
[01:48] <Tm_T> no
[01:49] <Tm_T> that is plain silly
[01:49] <LjL> eh?
[01:49] <mhatcher> oc
[01:49] <Tm_T> you really think you would jump to different channels?
[01:49] <Tm_T> mhatcher: if #ubuntu is too crowded, ask in your loco channel
[01:50] <Tm_T> that's splitting enough
[01:50] <mhatcher> fortunately I dont need to ask anything
[01:50] <LjL> The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
[01:50] <Tm_T> mhatcher: you got the point anyway :)
[01:51] <LjL> And you jump
[01:51] <LjL>  channels
[01:51] <LjL> Now, how can this thing complete nicknames
[01:51] <LjL> TNT
[01:51] <Tm_T> haha
[01:52] <Flare183> How can i become a opertor for my loco team?
[01:53] <mhatcher> loco?
[01:53] <Flare183> Local Community
[01:53] <Flare183> #ubuntu-sc to be exact
[01:54] <LjL> You mean an operator on their channel
[01:54] <Flare183> #ubuntu-southcarolina ot exact sorry
[01:54] <Flare183> yeah i guess all i want to do is update the topic
[01:54] <Tm_T> well your channel is right place to ask that
[01:55] <pleia2> Flare183: there is a contact for that loco, the US Mentors have sent an email
[01:55] <pleia2> best let us handle it, rather than bringing it here
[01:55] <Flare183> ok
[01:55] <Flare183> ...
[01:55] <Tm_T> hi pleia2 
[01:55] <pleia2> 'lo Tm_T 
[01:55]  * mneptok shoves pleia2 around playfully
[01:56] <Tm_T> good to see you too
[01:56] <nalioth> Flare183: i'm afraid you should use #ubuntu-us-sc
[01:56]  * pleia2 elbows mneptok 
[01:56] <mneptok> *oof*
[01:56] <pleia2> :)
[01:56] <mneptok> that's gonna smart in the AM
[01:56] <pleia2> nalioth: heh, the US teams are a bit split WRT such naming ;)
[01:57] <nalioth> pleia2: the CC is not split.  US teams should be #ubuntu-us-[state abbreviation]
[01:57] <pleia2> ah ok, I don't think any of the approved US teams use that scheme
[01:57] <nalioth> pleia2: it's a fairly recent change.
[01:57]  * pleia2 nods
[01:58] <nalioth> seems #ubuntu-tn is both Tennessee and Tunisia
[01:58] <LjL> nalioth, our naming guidelines say a different thing though i believe...?
[01:58] <mneptok> nalioth: the mental image of imams at the pedal steel is classic.
[01:59] <Tm_T> LjL: that wasnt speech recognition
[01:59] <LjL> Tm_T: no it wasn't, i'm already frustrated enough. it works badly enough for italian - for my undecipherable english, it's just crap
[01:59] <Tm_T> =)
[02:00] <LjL> nalioth: or perhaps they don't, i think i had a dream where they did.
[02:00] <pleia2> lol
[02:00] <LjL> also, it's crashed
[02:00] <mneptok> LjL: you could try Dvorak or some other alternative layout ...
[02:00] <LjL> mneptok, doesn't really help when you wake up with your hand in pain and the doctor tells you "no, no x-ray and no pills for you, just get away from that keyboard and mouse"
[02:07] <mneptok> LjL: punching that doctor may loosen things up ...
[02:08] <Tm_T> hah
[02:11] <Tm_T> LjL: hi?
[02:13] <LjL> i'm here, i went back to ubuntu
[02:13] <LjL> did i miss anything?
[02:18]  * mneptok mops up the pig blood and Jell-O
[02:19] <Tm_T> LjL: #kubuntu minataku, whaddya say?
[02:21] <LjL> opinion after a very quick grep is, he's way offtopic.
[02:21] <Tm_T> yup
[02:21] <Tm_T> bit more and I'll give him some remove love
[02:22] <LjL> don't be afraid to. he's not new to this sort of thing
[02:22] <Tm_T> heh
[02:23] <pleia2> nalioth: you still about?
[02:24] <pleia2> need #ubuntu-southcarolina forwarded to #ubuntu-us-sc and some access changed
[02:27] <nalioth> pleia2: hmm?
[02:46] <LjL> nalioth: so, it's #ubuntu-us-initials, or #ubuntu-us-fullname, or #ubuntu-us-whatever-the-team-prefers?
[02:46] <LjL> where's the document anyway?
[02:46] <nalioth> LjL: ask the dutchman
[02:47] <nalioth>  #ubuntu-us-[state code]
[02:47] <LjL> nalioth: he'd say "ask the council", you know that :)
[02:47] <Tm_T> nalioth: you have seen tomato monsters?
[02:47] <nalioth> Tm_T: i have.
[02:47] <LjL> the only document i know about is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/ChannelNaming
[02:48] <Tm_T> nalioth: roger, so it's known spammer then?
[02:48] <LjL> and that does specify #ubuntu-countrycode-regioncode, and the fact that "YY" is used to indicate the region code would seem to imply it has to be two characters
[02:48] <nalioth> Tm_T: for weeks now
[02:48] <Tm_T> aye
[02:48] <LjL> anyway, US states lend themselves quite well to that since they are *already* encoded with two characters in addresses and stuff i think
[02:49] <Tm_T> nalioth: I did small help for removing him fast
[02:49] <nalioth> :)
[02:49] <Tm_T> nalioth: trigger.pl and right command will do :)
[02:50] <vorian> Jono has asked that we do #ubuntu-statename
[02:50] <pleia2> what a pain he is
[02:50] <pleia2> heheh
[02:51] <vorian> so do we need to send out an alert to the mailing list?
[02:51] <Tm_T> interesting
[02:51] <nalioth> vorian: #ubuntu-georgia belongs to whom?
[02:51] <Tm_T> vorian: I haven't seen any discussion about this to our side, so wonders
[02:51] <LjL> this seems complicated
[02:52] <LjL> but i mean, seriously. the US aren't the only country in the world. other countries have "regions", "states" or somesuch in them, and they might want to have loco teams for them
[02:52] <vorian> Tm_T, this discussion was had in January when we started the US teams project
[02:52] <LjL> are we seriously suggesting that separate namespaces are *not* needed?
[02:52] <Tm_T> vorian: with irc-ops team?
[02:52] <nalioth> vorian: does it belong to the country of Georgia or the state of Georgia?
[02:53] <vorian> do people in the Country of Georgia use latin characters?
[02:53] <Tm_T> I really really think it MUST be foobuntu-countrycode-state
[02:53] <LjL> nalioth: the country of georgia would have #ubuntu-ge or whatever the country code is... but clashes can exist anyway
[02:53] <Tm_T> vorian: when needed yes
[02:53] <LjL> Tm_T: i agree. and i'd add that state initials are better than full state names
[02:54] <Tm_T> LjL: yup
[02:54] <Tm_T> or I will start #kubuntu-Karjala 
[02:55] <vorian> I don't care either way, but most every state is set up as #ubuntu-statename 
[02:55] <LjL> vorian, +f is cheap
[02:56] <vorian> aye
[02:56] <vorian> so is that the councils final decision?
[02:57] <vorian> If so, I will send out a message to the US mailing list
[02:57] <nalioth> vorian: in the beginning the channel naming guideline weren't very clear, i suspect
[02:58] <vorian> yes, there was only clear direction for country teams
[02:58] <vorian> (yes as in i agree :)  )
[02:59] <LjL> vorian, the naming guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/ChannelNaming - for some reason, i (and probably somebody else too) was in the belief that they (provisionally, or permanently, or something) didn't apply to US teams, and that there were other guidelines for them
[03:00] <LjL> but i don't think that's the case, and i also think it's best, in term of possible naming conflicts, to just use #ubuntu-cc-ss
[03:01] <LjL> vorian: so, yes, please send a message to the mailing list. explain that existing channels can be forwarded by using /msg chanserv set #channel mlock +if #new-channel-name
[03:01] <LjL> and /msg chanserv set #old-channel guard on
[03:01] <nalioth> or just swing by #ubuntu-ops if there are any questions
[03:01] <Tm_T> yup
[03:01] <Tm_T> we are here to help :))
[03:02] <vorian> okie dokie
[03:02] <LjL> nalioth, *or* #ubuntu-irc, which is there for that :)
[03:02] <LjL> although you aren't there :P
[03:02] <Tm_T> that too!
[03:02] <Tm_T> vorian: yes, #ubuntu-irc :))
[03:03] <vorian> sure thing
[03:05] <Tm_T> LjL: whoo, action soon?
[03:06] <LjL> Tm_T: action? a logbot?
[03:06] <LjL> ah minataku
[03:06] <Tm_T> yup :p
[03:07] <Tm_T> that is just sooo close to trolling
[03:08] <vorian> ok, message sent
[03:08] <Tm_T> vorian: :)
[03:08] <etank> thanks vorian 
[03:08] <vorian> thanks IRC council :)
[03:10] <vorian> what contact do we add to the access list for the IRC council?
[03:10] <LjL> vorian: UbuntuIRCCouncil. note that you don't *have* to.
[03:10] <nalioth> vorian: there is no need to add that nick to the list
[03:10] <vorian> ok
[03:11] <LjL> vorian: instead, add *!*@freenode/staff/* if it's not there already, that's much more useful
[03:11] <vorian> I guess not with you around nalioth :)
[03:11] <vorian> LjL, right :)
[03:12] <LjL> vorian: also feel free to mention to all US loco channel contacts that they can pop in #ubuntu-irc for anything IRC operation related. i've sent a notice to that effects to most LoCo channel contacts, but only the international ones, not the US ones (i sent it to #ubuntu-us itself, but that was all)
[03:13] <vorian> LjL, sure thing
[03:16] <vorian> can we have ubotu in #ubuntu-us-oh  :)
[03:16] <LjL> vorian: you need seveas for that... we can bring ubotwo or ubot3 there
[03:17] <vorian> no big deal
[03:17] <etank> so how do i go about changing my teams channel?
[03:18] <etank> do i need to create the chan first and then the forward?
[03:18] <nalioth> etank: which team?
[03:18] <etank> kentucky
[03:18] <LjL> vorian, anyway, once you set +f from -ohio to -us-oh, ubotu will join the latter as soon as he disconnects and reconnects for any reason. so, i assume, will the locobot
[03:19] <LjL> although it's still probably much better to notify the bot owners of the channel changes
[03:19] <etank> i dont need anyone to do it for me
[03:19] <nalioth> vorian: use mlock
[03:19] <nalioth> vorian: and use +mif #target_channel
[03:19] <vorian> ok, i was using +if
[03:20] <LjL> vorian, no big difference, but set also chanserv guard on
[03:20] <nalioth> well, if there is a split or services go down, the +m will keep folks from congregating in the channel
[03:20] <nalioth> make them go "hmm, why can't i talk?
[03:20] <nalioth> "
[03:21] <nalioth> as opposed to "where are all the buckeyes?"
[03:21] <LjL> yeah well not saying it shouldn't be set
[03:22] <nalioth> it's a gentle reminder in case services disappear 
[03:23] <Tm_T> stdin: one wrong move from minataku and feel free to remove him, he's been pain in the ass himself
[03:24] <stdin> I'll keep an eye on him
[03:24] <Tm_T> thanks
[03:26] <vorian> LjL, KB3LLM just showed up on our channel for the first time yesterday, he's kind of trollish...
[03:26] <LjL> vorian, your channel, your trolls :P
[03:26] <LjL> i have enough with mine :P
[03:26] <vorian> lol
[03:27] <vorian> :)
[03:27] <LjL> vorian: anyway, i can part ubotwo, or i can leave it joined, it doesn't really matter to me. you really want ubotu at the end of the day, though
[03:28] <LjL> but i have no idea where seveas is right now
[03:28] <vorian> LjL, it's fine, thanks for letting it join :)
[03:37] <etank> LjL: we used to have ubotu but it left many months ago
[03:43] <etank> any way we can get it back
[03:44] <etank> i have no idea why it went the way of the dodo
[03:46] <LjL> vorian, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/MovingChannels <- wrote some instructions for US channel owners to move to the new names, nalioth, please check for accuracy
[03:47] <LjL> etank, you can probably have it back, but you need seveas, i can't bring it back, i can bring ubotwo (which only has !factoids and nothing else)
[03:47] <etank> screw it
[03:47] <nalioth> LjL: ubot3 is there for the present
[03:48] <LjL> fine
[03:48] <nalioth> etank: but you'd need to poke seveas if you want ubotu there (which is really the bot you want)
[03:48] <vorian> thanks LjL 
[03:50] <Tm_T> mneptok: please
[03:50] <mneptok> Tm_T: hm?
[03:51] <Tm_T> offtopicness :(
[03:51]  * Hobbsee defenestrates mneptok
[03:52] <mneptok> Hobbsee: i haven't used Windows since 1998
[03:52] <Hobbsee> mneptok: and you live in a basement?
[03:58] <mneptok> Hobbsee: i sleep in a drawer.
[03:59]  * nalioth applies hot glue to the edges and nails it shut
[04:01] <Hobbsee> good, thanks nalioth!
[04:02] <ajmitch> poor, poor mneptok 
[04:03] <mneptok> Canonical Quotes page: "<mneptok> I'm the Ralph Wiggum of Canonical."
[04:04] <ajmitch> a very special individual indeed
[04:04] <mneptok> http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/diaz/222/drawer.wav
[04:16] <Hobbsee> !ssh
[04:16] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[04:16] <nalioth> Hobbsee: ssh!
[04:17] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:19] <Hobbsee> neat....
[04:24] <Tm_T> ssh <3
[07:02] <Tm_T> hmmmh
[08:00] <FloodBot3> WARNING: ChanServ is not replying, removing limit
[08:21] <no0tic> elkbuntu, good evening(?)
[10:15] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu (worldfighter_958)
[10:17] <nalioth> klined
[12:31] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, aoupi said: ubotu: that is enougH! quit it this instant!
[13:32] <Tm_T> hi FloodBot3 
[14:42] <Pici> bloop
[14:42] <Tm_T> hi Pici 
[14:42] <Pici> Hiyas
[14:48] <MenZa> ._.
[14:49] <Pici> Nice name
[14:49] <LjL> The speech recognition program lets you choose between British English, American English, Indian English, Asian English suspension marks
[14:50] <LjL> I'm a bit embarrassed about which one to choose
[14:50] <LjL> I was thinking Indian
[14:51] <LjL> Certainly something not very standard anyway
[14:51] <Pici> I would think that Indian English would be close to British English
[14:52] <LjL> pici think about the pronunciation, though, not the actual language
[14:54] <LjL> I was thinking that the vowels might be a bit closer to the Italian ones
[14:54] <LjL> Is just an impression, though
[14:55] <LjL> In any case, this is much harder than typing
[14:56] <LjL> Also, it cannot switch languages without waiting a minute or so
[14:57] <LjL> And the computer is even to slow to recognize in real time
[14:58] <Seeker`> LjL: What spec computer?
[14:58] <LjL> It is a celeron 1700
[14:59] <LjL> With far of the gigabyte of RAM
[15:00] <LjL> half
[15:01] <Seeker`> hmm
[15:02] <Seeker`> i would have thought that you could have gotten reasonable performance from that
[15:02] <LjL> Seeker` maybe with a decent microphone and without the PSU fan grinding... dunno :)
[15:03] <Seeker`> heh
[15:03] <Seeker`> fair enough
[15:03] <LjL> gee this might help my wrist but it doesn't help my throat for sure
[15:03] <LjL> nor my patience
[15:03] <Seeker`> LjL: RSI?
[15:03] <LjL> Seeker`, dunno, something
[15:03] <LjL> doctor said to stay away from keyboard & mouse anyway
[15:04] <LjL> BUT I CAN'T!
[15:04] <Tm_T> =)
[15:04] <Seeker`> LjL: Is it worse in your "mouse hand"?
[15:05] <LjL> yeah it *is* in my "mouse hand" (right), although i'm starting to feel a little pain in the left hand too... i suspect that's just because i've started using it for things i normally use the right hand for, and to which it's not quite apt
[15:05] <LjL> but in the right hand it reached the point where it woke me up during sleep, although it's got better with a wrist, uhm "collar"
[15:05] <Seeker`> I found that using a graphics tablet + pen really helped when I started getting RSI like symptoms
[15:06] <Seeker`> you mean the sports support type thing?
[15:06] <LjL> Seeker`: my sister has a graphics tablet, so i could try... but i have a terrible relationship with pens, never been able to hold them correctly and write for more than 10 minutes without feeling pain
[15:06] <Tm_T> LjL: you too?
[15:06] <Tm_T> LjL: leftie?
[15:06] <Seeker`> I got pain in my wrist, and the back of my hand felt really weak (I could clench my fist, but unclenching didn't feel "right")
[15:06] <LjL> Seeker`, not sure, it's really just a wide strip i place around the wrist with velcro
[15:06] <LjL> Tm_T, no, right handed
[15:07] <Tm_T> LjL: okie
[15:07] <Tm_T> LjL: but pens, nnngh, just doesn't fit into my hand
[15:07] <LjL> Tm_T: it's just i've never learned to hold a pen correctly i guess, also it's been so long since i last used one =)
[15:07] <Tm_T> writing is painnnnn
[15:07] <Seeker`> http://www.prosportuk.com/detail/9/116/1808
[15:07] <Seeker`> ?
[15:07] <Tm_T> LjL: I do have learned multiple
[15:07] <Tm_T> LjL: none of them stop me getting frustration and panic
[15:08] <Seeker`> LjL: It is a bit differnt from writing - it doesn't require quite as much find movement of the fingers.
[15:08] <Seeker`> right clicking can be a bit of a pain
[15:09] <Tm_T> nnnngh
[15:09] <LjL> no Seeker`, it's something much simpler, without a thumb support or anything... just a strip, some 6x30 cm, i wrap around the wrist. but to be honest actually, i don't use it very much as it moves away from the wrist all the time unless i tie it really (too) hard
[15:09] <LjL> right now i'm using a pencil and scotch tape =)
[15:09] <Seeker`> heh
[15:09] <Tm_T> ok, I'm about to get really big load of drugs, so, I think it's better I'm not in irc
[15:09] <Tm_T> see you later ->
[15:10] <Seeker`> seeya
[15:10] <LjL> ouch...
[15:10] <LjL> is there anybody who's well in here? =)
[15:10]  * Seeker` is (mostly) well at the moment
[15:10] <Seeker`> my RSI disappeared after using the graphics tablet for 2-3 weeks, as well as taking 1 week away from the computer
[15:11] <LjL> Seeker`, the latter is probably the real solution... :|
[15:11] <Seeker`> it was about 50% better before I took the week off
[15:11] <LjL> Seeker`, you didn't use the tablet for typing as well did you?
[15:12] <LjL> (i.e. with writing recognition
[15:12] <Seeker`> no
[15:12] <Seeker`> but most of my problem was the right hand, which I use for the mouse
[15:12] <Seeker`> keyboards dont bother me as much - probably 70% of the keypresses I do are with my left hand
[15:13] <Seeker`> I dont type properley
[15:13] <LjL> Seeker`: hm yeah but that it's *already* aching quite a bit, i can feel that the keyboard isn't helping either
[15:13] <Seeker`> hmm
[15:13] <LjL> ah no i definitely use both hands and mostly the right, typing with left hand only would be a pain
[15:13] <LjL> although, perhaps it'd be less of a pain that using this horrible voice recognition thing, after all
[15:14] <Pici> I guess I should count myself as lucky for not haivn any rsi issues.
[15:14] <LjL> well i never had something like this before...
[15:14] <Seeker`> I do use both hands, but I am left handed, and I tyype prettym uch everything left of "u j m" with my lef hand
[15:14] <LjL> i mean, after playing TEG for hours my fingers felt a little weird
[15:15] <Seeker`> TEG?
[15:15] <LjL> but i wasn't playing TEG for hours now
[15:15] <LjL> !info tegclient
[15:15] <ubotu> Package tegclient does not exist in gutsy
[15:15] <LjL> !info teg
[15:15] <ubotu> teg: Turn based strategy game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11.2-1 (gutsy), package size 2392 kB, installed size 3708 kB
[15:15] <LjL> risk
[15:15] <Seeker`> my friend got RSI really bad, he was on strong anti-inflammitories, used wrist supports and a graphics tablet
[15:15] <Seeker`> he also used workrave
[15:16] <Seeker`> !workrave
[15:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about workrave - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:16] <Seeker`> meh :(
[15:16] <Seeker`> !info workrave
[15:16] <ubotu> workrave: RSI prevention tool. In component main, is optional. Version 1.8.4-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 855 kB, installed size 2564 kB
[15:18] <TheSheep> Seeker`: evil thing
[15:18] <Seeker`> TheSheep: oh?
[15:18] <TheSheep> Seeker`: don't know what's worse, rsi or heart attack :)
[15:19] <Seeker`> heart attack?
[15:19] <Pici> I could learn to type with my feet.
[15:20] <Seeker`> Pici: You could also pay someone else to tpye for you!
[15:20] <Pici> I was getting pain in my wrists at one point, but I use a gel wrist pad now and don't have any problems.
[15:21] <Seeker`> hmm, is it too early to go to the pub?
[15:23] <Seeker`> LjL: The floodbots working ok?
[15:23] <Pici> they're flooding...
[15:25] <Pici> Although I do regularly crack my knuckles, maybe I'm setting myself up for joint pain in the future.
[15:25] <Seeker`> Pici: I do that too
[15:25] <Pici> It would be quicker to list the joints that I dont regularly crack then the other way.
[15:26] <Seeker`> crack my knuckles that is, the floodbots are doing enough flooding for the both of us
[15:31] <Seeker`> hmm, i think it my be pub time
[15:31] <Seeker`> seeya
[15:32] <Pici> byas
[15:33] <LjL> Seeker`, i'm relatively satisfied at the moment
[15:39] <LjL> I had just finished reading the sixth chapter of 2001 space Odyssey
[15:40] <LjL> It doesn't really seem like the recognition accuracy has improved very much, though
[15:47] <ikonia> heads up guys, just got PM's from super-sonic-sega complaining about being kciked, he's got loads of autoscripts thats responds to things, eg: if I say "lol" in channel it will respond in lol
[15:47] <ikonia> he's gonna cause trouble
[15:48] <Tm_T> ikonia: thanks
[15:48] <Tm_T> ikonia: other triggers?
[15:48] <ikonia> Tm_T: help
[15:48] <ikonia> and a few othres
[15:48] <ikonia> he's "leet script kid" or so he says and wants to show off
[15:48] <ikonia> got a ton of pm crap about it
[15:49] <Tm_T> ikonia: something which isn't help or lol or similar?
[15:49] <Tm_T> neutral etc
[15:49] <ikonia> not sure
[15:49] <ikonia> he was spouting crap 
[15:49] <Tm_T> roger
[15:49] <ikonia> hard to know what was real and what was false
[15:51] <Pici> ikonia: do you mind pastebinning the log?
[15:51] <Tm_T> I like to see it too
[15:51] <Tm_T> pastebin or some txt somewhere
[15:51] <ikonia> Pici: let me see what I've got
[15:51] <ikonia> my buffer is not a lot
[15:51] <Pici> Better than nothing
[15:52] <ikonia> I've got about 4 lines
[15:52] <ikonia> sorry 
[15:52] <ikonia> pastebin or here ?
[15:52] <Tm_T> here
[15:52] <Tm_T> 4 lines is nothing in this case :p
 I think your just jealous that I'm a better script then you
[15:52] <ikonia> 15:42 <ikonia> yup
[15:52] <ikonia> 15:42 <ikonia> your right
[15:52] <ikonia> 15:42 <ikonia> bye
[15:52] <ikonia> 15:42 <Super-Sonic-Sega> w/e loser
[15:52] <ikonia> kk
[15:52] <ikonia> kk was me doing crtl+k to paste - sorry 
[15:53] <Tm_T> :p
[15:53] <ikonia> I think he saw me say "ban him"
[15:53] <Tm_T> heh
[15:53] <ikonia> so I explained I didn't ban him and he should enjoy it
[15:53] <ikonia> "I'm l33t" etc etc etc
[15:53] <ikonia> so I just ended it
[15:53] <Pici> I'm going to try the 'lol' test again, and if it goes off, I will ban him.  
[15:53] <ikonia> ok
[15:53] <Pici> I told him to turn the script off already.
[15:54] <ikonia> he failed :)
[15:54] <Tm_T> Pici: danke
[15:54] <ikonia> gratzi mille 
[15:54] <ikonia> ughhh
[15:54] <ikonia> now he's pming me
[15:54] <ikonia> I thoought I turned it off etc
[15:54] <ikonia> I don't know why he thinks its me that banned him
[15:54] <Tm_T> doesn't matter
[15:54] <Pici> Why is he bothering you?
[15:55] <ikonia> no, he's on ignore
[15:55] <Tm_T> forward to here
[15:55] <ikonia> not a big deal 
[15:55] <Pici> %btlogin
[16:00] <FloodBot3> WARNING: ChanServ is not replying, removing limit
[16:01] <Tm_T> boring :(
[16:01] <Pici> interesting 
[16:01] <Tm_T> ikonia: get him here?
[16:01] <ikonia> he's logged off
[16:01] <ikonia> as far as I know
[16:01] <Tm_T> :(
[16:01] <ikonia> I stuck him on ignore
[16:01] <Tm_T> he is apparently
[16:02] <ikonia> the last lines before I ignored him
 upi are banned now
[16:02] <ikonia> 15:51 <ikonia> I didn't do it though
[16:02] <ikonia> 15:52 <Super-Sonic-Sega> Well I don't want to be in there if people can't papreciate my awesome 1337 scripts.
[16:02] <ikonia> 15:52 <Super-Sonic-Sega> >:(
[16:02] <ikonia> 15:52 <Super-Sonic-Sega> * apreciate
[16:02] <ikonia> 15:52 <ikonia> good
[16:02] <ikonia> 15:52 <ikonia> enjoy being banned then
[16:02] <ikonia> 15:52 <ikonia> people didn't appricaite it
[16:02] <ikonia> 15:52 <Super-Sonic-Sega> well they are noobs then.
[16:02] <ikonia> (for your ammusment
[16:03] <ikonia> now he's showing as offline so I can't direct him in
[16:03] <Pici> No loss
[16:03] <ikonia> not at all
[16:04] <ikonia> I'm too noob to appriciate his l33t scripts
[16:05] <elkbuntu> oh loordy... /msg nickserv info super-sonic-sega and note his quit message
[16:05] <Pici> thats a 1337 script
[16:06] <ikonia> yup, he had me fooled with that
[16:06] <ikonia> he's mega
[16:06] <ikonia> "lol"
[16:06]  * ikonia waits
[16:06] <Tm_T> :(
[16:08] <ikonia> I wonder what the other triggers where
[16:08] <Tm_T> ikonia: like to see leet scripts?
[16:09] <ikonia> yeah
[16:09] <ikonia> educate me
[16:09] <ikonia> I'm a noob etc etc etc
[16:09] <Tm_T> ikonia: join #ubuntu-fi and say WRAARRR!!! I just installed gutsy ARRRRR!!!
[16:13] <ikonia> nice !
[16:14] <ikonia> Tm_T: thanks for that !
[16:14] <Tm_T> ikonia: :)
[16:14] <Tm_T> one spammer made me do that
[16:15] <Tm_T> myrtti had fun with it then earlier
[16:19] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[16:19] <ikonia> 'tis a good one
[16:21] <Tm_T> ?
[16:21] <ikonia> a good script
[16:21] <Tm_T> well yea, he repeats same spam so when he comes he gets quickly removed
[16:22] <ikonia> genius
[16:22] <ikonia> I think I saw him in #ubuntu last night actually
[16:22] <ikonia> the WAaaaaa thing made me remember
[16:26] <Tm_T> yup
[16:26] <Tm_T> tomato monster
[16:26] <Tm_T> hits #kde-devel mostly
[16:27] <Tm_T> what I have seen
[16:27] <stdin> he hits everywhere, including #qt and ##c++
[16:27] <Tm_T> oh
[16:27] <Tm_T> lovely
[16:29] <ikonia> has anyone thought about making #ubuntu reg users only ?
[16:30] <Tm_T> and don't allow new users in?
[16:30] <Tm_T> not a good idea IMO except when really really needed
[16:30] <stdin> then the place we send un-registered users would get flooded and attacked. just moves the problem to another channel
[16:31] <Tm_T> yup
[16:31] <ikonia> fair point
[16:31] <Tm_T> and new users fails to get help
[16:31] <ikonia> I queried because of the ammount of unregged users not getting pm's from ubuot
[16:31] <ikonia> ubout
[16:31] <ikonia> ubotu
[16:31] <ikonia> man typing is bad today
[16:31] <stdin> unregged users can receive /msgs, just can't send them
[16:32] <Tm_T> unless you allow them to msg you
[16:32] <stdin> yep
[16:32] <ikonia> really, a few have been complaining they don't get anything from ubotu 
[16:32] <stdin> sometimes they expect a new window to pop-up, rather than a new tab
[16:33] <stdin> x-mirc users and MSM people mostly :p
[16:33] <Tm_T> MSM=
[16:33] <Tm_T> ?
[16:33] <ikonia> yes, I guess it could be user perception error, rather than an actual problem
[16:34] <stdin> Tm_T: actually it's "Windows Live Messenger" now :p
[16:59] <Tm_T> stdin: I know
[17:03] <PriceChild> *wonders why GoldenPony hasn't been auto-voiced*
[17:10] <legolas-San_> Why are the Ubuntu channels #Ubuntu-<country> instead of #Ubuntu-<language>?
[17:10] <Pici> RoAkSoAx: Can we help you?
[17:10] <PriceChild> legolas-San_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/ChannelNaming is the naming policy we use.
[17:11] <RoAkSoAx> Pici, i just wanted to red the explanation PriceChild is going to give legolas-San_ about why channels are ubuntu-<country> and not ubuntu-<language>
[17:11] <PriceChild> legolas-San_, What used to happen was that locos just made their channel... and gave support there. We're just based these guidelines upon the already happenning ways.
[17:11] <PriceChild> *We've
[17:11] <PriceChild> so that future loco teams follow the already set practices
[17:13] <PriceChild> If we had language channels... we'd then need more loco channels than the other way around.
[17:14] <legolas-San_> Hmm...
[17:14] <legolas-San_> Loco?
[17:14] <PriceChild> !loco
[17:15] <ubotu> Information on Ubuntu Local Community Teams is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams
[17:15] <LjL> legolas-San_, Local Community. anyway, loco channels can decide that they do not give support, and support is only given in another loco channel (if that other loco channel agrees)
[17:15] <LjL> so for instance there are many spanish loco channels that just tell people to join #ubuntu-es for support
[17:15] <legolas-San_> What I like about Ubuntu is that it now feels like the official Linux distro somehow. That's what "Linux" needs -- a common "face".
[17:16] <legolas-San_> Why -XX instead of .XX, though? Yes, I know I wonder a lot of things...
[17:16] <LjL> legolas-San, this is IRC, not the web =)
[17:17] <legolas-San_> Yes, but... :S
[17:17] <Tm_T> but?
[17:17] <legolas-San_> :(
[17:17] <legolas-San_> Dunno.
[17:18] <legolas-San_> Just that even on IRC, .XX seems to be pretty common.
[17:18] <legolas-San_> Maybe you can use .XX for language channels as opposed to location channels? ^^
[17:18] <Tm_T> why?
[17:18] <Tm_T> I mean why we need lang channels with loco channels?
[17:18] <legolas-San_> I dunno. For people who speak language X but are living in a different country than the main one of that language.
[17:19] <Tm_T> and?
[17:19] <Tm_T> just to make more channels where you're the only one?
[17:19] <Tm_T> no point to spread it further without real purpose
[17:21] <legolas-San_> Huh?!
[17:22] <legolas-San_> Has somebody made a series of historical screenshot of each Ubuntu release?
[17:25] <Tm_T> there is somewhere
[17:25] <Tm_T> anyway, this is not a place to ask that
[17:38] <Pricey> What does my router think it is...
[17:39] <Seeker`> Pricey: problems?
[17:39] <Seeker`> LjL: Waht is the reasoning behind setting -l when one of the bots dies?
[17:39] <Pricey> Not sure... its dropped twice in as many hours.
[17:40] <Pricey> Seeker`, a bot dying is normally a sign of a netsplit or server death or services death...
[17:40] <LjL> or just bot death anyway
[17:40] <LjL> and if the bot is opped, another one must take over
[17:40] <Pricey> Seeker`, netsplits and services death may mean we're unable to op. That means we can't -l ourselves if the channel grows naturally larger and the services or whatever dont' come back up.
[17:41] <Seeker`> Pricey: Yes, but why does the bot quitting = services death?
[17:41] <Seeker`> and isn't the point of the redundancy to continue "normal" operation?
[17:41] <LjL> well, if the bot is on the dead server...
[17:41] <LjL> no Seeker`
[17:41] <Pricey> It isn't redundancy at all.
[17:41] <Pricey> well
[17:42] <Pricey> *will be quiet now*
[17:42] <LjL> the point of redundancy is to make sure the limit is *un*set if anything is wrong
[17:42] <LjL> to avoid the drawbacks of +J
[17:42] <LjL> otherwise we'd just use +J
[17:45] <LjL> My first priority, while writing the bot, was to ensure that users wouldn't be blocked from the Channel
[17:45] <LjL> The second priority is to avoid attacks
[17:46] <LjL> But the first priority over a right to the second priority
[17:46] <LjL> overrides
[17:46] <Tm_T> agreed
[17:46] <Pici> I like it thus far for the mass join detection
[17:47] <Tm_T> I need more ram
[17:47] <LjL> Pici, you should like it even more
[17:47] <LjL> the reason exploit
[17:47] <LjL> sigh
[17:47] <Pici> reason?
[17:47] <LjL> You should like it even more the next time there is an exploit
[17:48] <Pici> Ooh, I guess I'll somewhat look forward to that then
[17:48] <mc44> hahaha
[17:48] <mc44> LjL: the reason the reason typo
[17:48] <LjL> so am I
[17:49] <Pricey> LjL, how much have you tested that bit? 8-)
[17:49] <LjL> Pricey, not very much admittedly, but I'm pretty confident it should work
[17:50] <LjL> And less confident that it works with other kinds of attacks
[17:50] <LjL> Which were harder to test without actually making an attack
[17:51] <LjL> mc44: this thing plain sucks, is to pay for Italian, and not just because my English accent is terrible
[17:51] <LjL> is to pay = it is ok
[17:51] <LjL> Also because English is just an awkward language
[17:51] <LjL> Were all words sound alike
[17:51] <Pricey> haha ;)
[17:51] <LjL> Including where and where
[17:51] <Pricey> don't you mean where and were?
[17:52] <LjL> Yes, I suppose I mean that
[17:52] <LjL> But how can I tell it to the programme?
[17:53] <LjL> And how can I tell you to spell decently, such as program and not programme
[17:53] <mc44> should be a command to scroll through homophones
[17:54] <LjL> Well, perhaps I shouldn't have choose an Indian English as variant to use
[17:54] <Gary> woo l just installed loadsa ram in my laptop
[17:55] <LjL> mc44: there is a command to spell but it's not quite handy to use, anyway it's supposed to pick up words from context
[17:55] <LjL> of course, its idea of context is sometimes awkward
[17:56] <LjL> Of course, its idea of context is sometimes awkward
[17:56] <LjL> See, the line above what was interpreted perfectly
[17:57] <LjL> While absolutely couldn't get it to write " the recent man to spell"
[17:57] <LjL> (there is a command to spell)
[18:28] <ubotu> DaSkreech called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[18:29] <symlink`> hello
[18:29] <symlink`> I just fixed the DCC vuln on my router, and I would like to be let back into #ubuntu
[18:33] <tomaw> Pricey: note that guy didn't exactly have a connection problem
[18:33] <Pricey> tomaw, yeah someone just pointed that out to me.... its still better than a straightforward ban... I'll remove it in a little.
[18:34] <Pici> Someone was ghosting him, he reconnects, gets ghosted..
[18:34] <tomaw> Not someone
[18:34] <tomaw> One of our utilities was colliding his nick for some reason
[18:34] <Pici> Whats hints then?
[18:34] <Pici> hm.
[18:34] <Pici> Odd.
[18:34] <tomaw> There's be a reason for it, I just don't know what it is :)
[18:34] <tomaw> s/s/ll/
[18:44] <Pricey> "root" was jacob btw (ubuntu member)
[18:44]  * Pici wonders why anyone, especially a member, is running irc as root
[18:47] <Gary> I am, well if running Vista counts... :-)
[18:47]  * Gary hides
[18:58] <Pici> I'm going home, -offtopic is a bit rowdy today
[18:59] <Gary> set it moderated then
[18:59] <PriceChild> Gary, you have the helm
[19:00] <Gary> argh
[19:00] <Gary> can I kick em all?
[19:24] <ubotu> In ubotu, pike_ said: teamspeak is TeamSpeak is the proprietry VoIP software see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TeamSpeak
[19:25] <ubotu> In ubotu, pike_ said: TeamSpeak is the proprietry VoIP software see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TeamSpeak
[19:47] <ubotu> In ubotu, pike_ said: TeamSpeak is the proprietry VoIP software see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TeamSpeak  For a open source alternative consider using Mumble http://mumble.sourceforge.net/
[20:00] <FloodBot3> WARNING: ChanServ is not replying, removing limit
[20:59] <Mez> LjL, I don't think that FloodBot1 should output that warning when it's in #ubuntu
[21:02] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, markus_ said: ubotu: my problem is a little more complicated^^, i have two ubuntus on my notebook, and the false grub is in the mbr
[21:03] <Gary> aww
[21:37] <FloodBot3> !ops | Mass join
[21:37] <ubotu> dgjones called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[21:38] <Tm_T> meh
[21:38] <ubotu> genii called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[21:40] <PriceChild> If only we had some sort of anti-flood measure...
[21:41] <PriceChild> Don't know why I was opped there :/
[21:42] <nalioth> PriceChild: we soon will have an antiflood measure
[21:42] <PriceChild> *grins*
[21:48] <PriceChild> nalioth, we ok to -r?
[21:49] <nalioth> let's -R first
[21:53] <PriceChild> Whoops I didn't see that.
[21:56] <tomaw> What are these floodbots btw?
[21:56] <nalioth> tomaw: channel limit setting bots (like in #debian)
[21:57] <nalioth> tomaw: if they'd been 'live' today, that attack would have not been as severe
[21:57] <PriceChild> They're doing in here what they will hopefully be doing in #ubuntu soon.
[21:57] <tomaw> what's the advantage of that over +J?
[21:57] <PriceChild> Hopefully these will be nicer on server death.
[21:58] <tomaw> hmm?
[21:58] <nalioth> tomaw: during splits +J isn't nice
[21:59] <tomaw> In what way?
[21:59] <tomaw> split shouldn't matter.
[21:59] <PriceChild> +J handles splits fine doesn't it nalioth?
[21:59] <tomaw> if we killed an ircd and people reconnected to another then yeah, +J would be a pain
[21:59] <nalioth> the mass rejoins all get shunted to #ubuntu-unregged, tomaw 
[21:59] <PriceChild> But when a server dies... all the clients normally reconnect immediately.... then get hit by +J
[22:00] <tomaw> nalioth: a rejoining servers users should pass straight through +J, surely?
[22:01] <nalioth> tomaw: they do not
[22:01] <tomaw> hrm
[22:01] <nalioth> tomaw: or they don't seem to
[22:02] <nalioth> we were running +J a while back and somethning happened and we ended up with hundreds of folks in -unregged
[22:02] <PriceChild> that was server death
[22:02] <PriceChild> the splits were fine
[22:02] <PriceChild> I'm going to -r?
[22:03] <tomaw> nalioth: +J won't affect users who haven't reconnected
[22:03] <nalioth> PriceChild: go for it
[22:03] <tomaw> so, if we split a server off now and reconnected it, users wouldn't be affected by +J
[22:04] <tomaw> however, if a server explodes and people connect to another (or reconnect to the same one, potentially) then they will
[22:04]  * PriceChild wonders if you guys all have a big red button labelled "split off server 1"
[22:04] <nalioth> well, i'm not the most technical person, but in the past, +J has caused problems
[22:04] <tomaw> nalioth: never has in #gentoo :)
[22:04] <tomaw> also, you're going to need similar code to maintain the +l anyway
[22:04] <tomaw> (that and +l is noisy)
[22:05] <PriceChild> hmm yeah
[22:05] <tomaw> how long do you leave it after kornbluth splits before reducing your limit by a good few hundred, etc
[22:05] <PriceChild> Why don't we use +J instead of +l.... but still the bots monitoring watching for death
[22:06] <LjL> Mez, it has a concept of being in *two* channels, and outputting warnings in one while changing the limits in the other. it just currently does both in here.
[22:06] <crdlb> well the advantage of +l is that it's not really vulnerable to server death is it?
[22:06] <PriceChild> crdlb, neither is +J with this system?
[22:07] <PriceChild> I'm sure there's a good reason we've discussed before 8-)
[22:07] <tomaw> +J will hurt if an ircd crashes
[22:08] <LjL> tomaw, there's also the case when the servers *split* (don't *die*) but the split causes so many quit/rejoin messages that hundreds of people do down with SendQ Exceeded. when they all rejoin at once, they're bounced to -unregged
[22:08] <tomaw> LjL: yeah, that too
[22:08] <tomaw> you'll need fancy +l code to mitigate that, of course
[22:08] <crdlb> PriceChild: +l is based on the absolute number of people in the channel, so if a bunch of people leave, then rejoin over the next few minutes, there's no problem
[22:08] <LjL> PriceChild, i *have* proposed that we use +J *with* the bots watching for it... yesterday, i think, and you replied :P
[22:09] <tomaw> modifying +J dynamically could be interesting maths
[22:09] <PriceChild> tomaw, no... because the bots notice this and -J immediately?
[22:09] <LjL> but PriceChild, there could admittedly still be some more risks compared to +l, although i personally believe it'd be a workable solution
[22:09] <LjL> tomaw, the +l code is already quite fancy. if the bots detect that "many" users quit, they go into a mode where +l is only decremented very slightlu
[22:10] <tomaw> :)
[22:11] <LjL> debugsplit
[22:11] <FloodBot3> Simulating a netsplit with 244 users lost due to debug command
[22:11] <FloodBot3> !netsplit
[22:11] <PriceChild> So what's wrong with the bots just doing +-J then...
[22:11] <LjL> err, where are my bots though
[22:12] <LjL> PriceChild: the fact that +J, in any case, doesn't limit the *total amount* of users, but the *join rate*. my bots also "emulate" the latter, but in quite a different way
[22:12] <PriceChild> Why's that better?
[22:12] <LjL> PriceChild: you could end up in an emergency situation where the bots, after a while, think there's no emergency anymore, and set +l again
[22:13] <LjL> PriceChild: with +l, that's not very bad, because they set it to the previous value - i.e. still those 1200 users or so that were there previously
[22:13] <LjL> PriceChild: if, instead, they set +J back, we're back to the situation where everyone's redirected to -unregged
[22:13] <PriceChild> hmm
[22:13] <LjL> debugrejoin
[22:13] <FloodBot3> Simulating a rejoin from netsplit due to debug command
[22:13] <FloodBot3> Synced to #ubuntu, 1187 users present
[22:13] <LjL> PriceChild: admittedly, that's a pretty worst case scenario. as i said, i think it *is* a valid solution
[22:14] <PriceChild> k
[22:14] <PriceChild> Anyone got a script to clear -unregged? :/
[22:14] <LjL> PriceChild, with +J that would be bad to have ;)
[22:15] <LjL> PriceChild: i could implement that in the bots themselves anyway
[22:15] <LjL> they already know about -unregged (and are in it)
[22:15] <PriceChild> hehe
[22:17] <LjL> uhm, and they've perhaps been a bit too eager to inform users that they should register
[22:17] <LjL> they were still doing it way after the "emergency" passed...? at least it looks like that from my logs
[22:19] <PriceChild> LjL, shouldn't you make a new trigger for that
[22:19] <LjL> PriceChild, a trigger for what? telling users, or kicking?
[22:20] <PriceChild> and perhaps verify it against a hostname/only allowed to be triggered from this channel for something.
[22:20] <PriceChild> Kicking.
[22:20] <PriceChild> s/for/or/
[22:20] <LjL> yeah. it's one of the things that it might be a bit dangerous to implement, so it's not coming right now
[22:21] <PriceChild> ok :P
[22:22] <PriceChild> LjL, I'm just hearing about how all us loco channels should migrate to "correct" naming scheme?
[22:22] <PriceChild> nalioth, ^
[22:22] <PriceChild> I thought that policy was just for new channels?
[22:23] <LjL> PriceChild, i was a bit confused about it yesterday, but anyway the end result is that all channels should migrate. it's a good end result IMHO.
[22:23] <crdlb> LjL: what about having the bot kick people who paste in the channel?
[22:24] <Gary> what's the new scheme?
[22:24] <nalioth> PriceChild: do you think that it's fair for #ubuntu-georgia to belong to the US state, just because they got there first?
[22:24] <crdlb> Gary: #ubuntu-us-st
[22:24] <PriceChild> crdlb, I don't like the idea of that.... I see a lot of users in other channels getting kicked because they type really really fast
[22:24] <PriceChild> nalioth, I never said that.
[22:24] <crdlb> PriceChild: then they deserve to be kicked for !enter :)
[22:24] <crdlb> but it should have a very high threshold
[22:24] <nalioth> PriceChild: well, that is why 'migrations' are suggested
[22:24] <LjL> crdlb, that's more complicated than it sounds. i'm not excluding that sort of features, but not before i know the basic ones work right.
[22:25] <jjesse> hello i just read on IrcTeam/Cloaks that i can be cloaked so show ubuntu/member/nickname how would  i go getting that setup?
[22:25] <PriceChild> I thought that document was a guideline for new channels... and the council resolves any current/future conflicts
[22:25] <Gary>  so essex could be #ubuntu-uk-essex ?
[22:25] <LjL> anyway, be back later
[22:25] <PriceChild> !member | jjesse 
[22:25] <ubotu> jjesse: Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[22:25] <jjesse> already a member
[22:25] <PriceChild> gah that's not the page I thoguht it was.
[22:25] <PriceChild> jjesse, have you linked 2 nicks and set an email?
[22:25] <jjesse> linked 2 nicks?
[22:26] <PriceChild> !register
[22:26] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[22:26] <LjL> Gary, that's about US channels for now... it's valid for other nationalities too, but wait a moment before doing anything with them. the guidelines specify "YY" as a region code, which could mean "only two letters"... i think they should be changed to specify that, if there exists a two-letters code (used in addresses for example) to identify the region, it should be used, otherwise it's full name
[22:26] <jjesse> ah my nickname jjesse is registered
[22:26] <LjL> anyway be back later
[22:26] <PriceChild> jjesse, that factoid explains how to link an alternate nickname.
[22:26] <PriceChild> jjesse, you should get two registered nicks linked, set an email, then poke us again :)
[22:27] <PriceChild> (back to previous convo) I was thinking we weren't going to impose ourselves and tell them _everyone_ had to change...
[22:27] <jjesse> PriceChild: ok thanks
[22:27] <PriceChild> Which I'm getting the impression has happenned? :/
[22:28] <PriceChild> Or has the message been missunderstood along the way?
[22:30] <Gary> yeah, not like that not ever happened before...
[22:30] <PriceChild> nalioth, LjL?
[22:31] <Seeker`> PriceChild: Should -uk be -gb then?
[22:31] <PriceChild> Gary, it happens all the time... I'm just getting a very strong impression that they are royally pissed off :)
[22:31] <PriceChild> Seeker`, uk is fine... there's no need to change is there?
[22:32] <PriceChild> nalioth, could you cloak jjesse please?
[22:32] <nalioth> PriceChild: sure
[22:33] <PriceChild> nalioth, thanks
[22:34] <PriceChild> LjL, btw they haven't stopped in -unregged.
[22:35] <Seeker`> PriceChild: Well, if everyone has to change to the "proper" code...
[22:35] <Gary> join #ubuntu-gb
[22:35] <PriceChild> Seeker`, I don't remember the council saying everyone had to move...
[22:36] <Gary> he he
[22:37] <PriceChild> already forwards doesn't it?
[22:37] <PriceChild> maybe not
[22:37] <nalioth> gentlemen, the 'request to migrate' is aimed at primarily the US channels which use #ubuntu-XX as their channel name
[22:38] <PriceChild> I'm just concerned because from their side it sounds like an 'order'
[22:47] <Gary> PriceChild, it'll forward as soon as i remember the command
[22:48] <PriceChild> Gary, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/MovingChannels
[22:51]  * Mez slaps Gary
[22:52] <Gary> done
[22:52]  * Seeker` prods Gary 
[22:52] <Gary> ouch
[22:53] <Mez> Gark - why #ubuntu-gb? uk is a valid iso code 
[22:54] <Mez> Gary *
[22:55] <Seeker`> Mez: As is -gb
[22:55] <Mez> yes...
[22:55] <Gary> well yeah, but many think it is gb, as do i when doing keyboard codes...
[22:55] <Mez> but -gb and -uk are seperate things
[22:55] <Mez> if you had -gb, you'd have to have -ie too
[22:56] <Gary> but .ie already have a channel
[22:57] <Mez> uber :D
[22:58] <Gary> i'd not go there, they are all drunk :p
[22:59] <PriceChild> nalioth, LjL are we not discussing this? :/
[23:00] <nalioth> i thought we had
[23:01] <nalioth> 'primarily aimed at US loco channels who have squatted on other countries iso codes' ?
[23:01] <nalioth> such as #ubuntu-tn and #ubuntu-sc
[23:02] <PriceChild> Yeah and I'm agreeing that in these cases its best that the Council look after the discussion/debate/discussion of naming... My problem here is that the us loco teams seem to have the impression that they all need to move asap because we said so.
[23:03] <PriceChild> One of the big issues we had at the meeting when we discussed this, was that we didn't want to impose ourselves, and revolutionise everything, moving everyone around.
[23:04] <nalioth> right
[23:06] <Gary> woo, i have access on channels i cannot remember ever being in
[23:30] <PriceChild> Great
[23:41] <Seeker`> Gary: such as?
[23:42] <Gary> #ubuntu-uk-chat (forwards to _uk)
[23:43] <bigfuzzyjesus> so when can i go in #ubuntu-offtopic