[00:11] those join/parts gonna slow down anytime soon? :) [00:12] pwah, i've done it twice today [00:12] thrice, just because you asked [00:13] LjL, what's happenned with them? [00:13] PriceChild: he quit 2 of them, and the 3d is doing what it's supposed to [00:13] nothing PriceChild, i just modified some things and restarted them. [00:13] ah ok [00:14] nothing big, changed the lag tolerance a little, made the logs less awfully verbose... [00:14] yay [00:15] Tm_T, the *logs*. the one that are saved on my computer. on the stuff they print in here :P [00:15] I know [00:15] s/one/ones/ and s/on/not/ [00:16] :) [00:16] I got that [00:17] LjL, hmm what about all of them always talking in -unregged... [00:17] mm? [00:17] PriceChild: op me on proxy channel? [00:19] PriceChild, yeah, they talk there when they're in emergency mode now. previously, they'd only do that after they'd set +r [00:20] and when they join, they're in emergency mode [00:21] PriceChild: thanks [00:22] felt lonely when didn't saw all speech [00:23] what speech? [00:24] I don't know because I didn't saw it [00:24] are you referring to #ubuntu-proxy-users or #ubuntu-unregged ? [00:24] #ubuntu-proxy-users [00:24] there have been no speeches in there [00:25] you lie ;( [00:27] if there was, you would have seen for we are opped [00:27] soundray called the ops in #ubuntu (excrete abusing channel) [01:27] LjL: do they really need to set limits here? the scrool is a bit much. [01:28] mneptok: all this will be much less when they go 'live' [01:32] hi [01:32] hello Soskel [01:32] could someone unban me from here and from #ubuntu please [01:32] Soskel: you're not banned here. your presence speaks to that. [01:33] I was invited here [01:33] mneptok: i just unbanned him [01:33] oh [01:33] could you also form ubuntu please nalioth, thanks [01:33] Soskel: please stay on topic in #ubuntu [01:33] will do [01:33] wait [01:34] does it say if there was a reason why I was banend? [01:34] yes. you were wildly off topic [01:34] wow [01:35] Soskel: you were also incredibly rude to Seveas in this channel. [01:35] I don't remember any of this... [01:35] drugs [01:35] well, that may be for the best. enjoy [01:35] 2007-10-16T01:05:30 Soskel, please leave if you have nothing useful to say [01:35] 2007-10-16T01:05:50 Seveas: please stfu [01:35] ??? [01:36] wait [01:36] that was last month, October 16? [01:36] correct [01:37] mneptok: it's past and done. [01:37] nalioth: agreed. but i thought he might like a reminder of what kinds of behaviors are not tolerated. [01:37] so can I be unbanned please? [01:37] so when was he banned? [01:37] mhatcher: oct 16th or thereabouts [01:38] Soskel: you have already been unbanned. please stay on-topic and abide by the Ubuntu Code Of Conduct. [01:38] weird :) [01:38] thank toy [01:38] *you [01:38] * mneptok points at nalioth [01:38] thanks go thataway [01:39] bribes come this way. [01:39] ;) [01:39] :/ [01:40] 2000 users on a single channel is not a nice practice [01:41] Who has [01:41] 2000 users on a single channel? [01:42] well it is 1000 [01:42] Prepared to see awfully funny phrases from me [01:43] I am trying to use speech recognition [01:43] start with hello [01:43] :)) [01:43] mhatcher: ? [01:43] Herbal [01:43] See? [01:44] LjL: pn'aa vuu ghaghnasdiak tl'aas k'tiri? [01:44] Yes, I totally agree [01:44] * mneptok nods sagely [01:45] mhatcher: what about 1000 users? [01:45] At least, this makes me use capital letters correctly [01:45] too many questions [01:45] too many answers [01:46] and what not [01:46] mhatcher: better solution? [01:46] Holding the microphone hurts my hand of more than typing however [01:46] LjL: aye, I can feeel your pain [01:46] get smaller channels [01:46] mhatcher: how? [01:46] #ubuntu1 #ubuntu2 ... [01:47] XD [01:47] mhatcher: and how making sure that guy who knows about foo is in channel where that is asked? [01:47] Tm_T you, you cannot feel the pain of being told by Dr to choose the keyboard and mouse any more for a while [01:47] It hurts the sour [01:47] sour =) [01:48] Sour sour so so so solved [01:48] :p [01:48] some bot should pm spam pro users with messages from other channels [01:48] no [01:49] that is plain silly [01:49] eh? [01:49] oc [01:49] you really think you would jump to different channels? [01:49] mhatcher: if #ubuntu is too crowded, ask in your loco channel [01:50] that's splitting enough [01:50] fortunately I dont need to ask anything [01:50] The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog [01:50] mhatcher: you got the point anyway :) [01:51] And you jump [01:51] channels [01:51] Now, how can this thing complete nicknames [01:51] TNT [01:51] haha [01:52] How can i become a opertor for my loco team? [01:53] loco? [01:53] Local Community [01:53] #ubuntu-sc to be exact [01:54] You mean an operator on their channel [01:54] #ubuntu-southcarolina ot exact sorry [01:54] yeah i guess all i want to do is update the topic [01:54] well your channel is right place to ask that [01:55] Flare183: there is a contact for that loco, the US Mentors have sent an email [01:55] best let us handle it, rather than bringing it here [01:55] ok [01:55] ... [01:55] hi pleia2 [01:55] 'lo Tm_T [01:55] * mneptok shoves pleia2 around playfully [01:56] good to see you too [01:56] Flare183: i'm afraid you should use #ubuntu-us-sc [01:56] * pleia2 elbows mneptok [01:56] *oof* [01:56] :) [01:56] that's gonna smart in the AM [01:56] nalioth: heh, the US teams are a bit split WRT such naming ;) [01:57] pleia2: the CC is not split. US teams should be #ubuntu-us-[state abbreviation] [01:57] ah ok, I don't think any of the approved US teams use that scheme [01:57] pleia2: it's a fairly recent change. [01:57] * pleia2 nods [01:58] seems #ubuntu-tn is both Tennessee and Tunisia [01:58] nalioth, our naming guidelines say a different thing though i believe...? [01:58] nalioth: the mental image of imams at the pedal steel is classic. [01:59] LjL: that wasnt speech recognition [01:59] Tm_T: no it wasn't, i'm already frustrated enough. it works badly enough for italian - for my undecipherable english, it's just crap [01:59] =) [02:00] nalioth: or perhaps they don't, i think i had a dream where they did. [02:00] lol [02:00] also, it's crashed [02:00] LjL: you could try Dvorak or some other alternative layout ... [02:00] mneptok, doesn't really help when you wake up with your hand in pain and the doctor tells you "no, no x-ray and no pills for you, just get away from that keyboard and mouse" [02:07] LjL: punching that doctor may loosen things up ... [02:08] hah [02:11] LjL: hi? [02:13] i'm here, i went back to ubuntu [02:13] did i miss anything? [02:18] * mneptok mops up the pig blood and Jell-O [02:19] LjL: #kubuntu minataku, whaddya say? [02:21] opinion after a very quick grep is, he's way offtopic. [02:21] yup [02:21] bit more and I'll give him some remove love [02:22] don't be afraid to. he's not new to this sort of thing [02:22] heh [02:23] nalioth: you still about? [02:24] need #ubuntu-southcarolina forwarded to #ubuntu-us-sc and some access changed [02:27] pleia2: hmm? [02:46] nalioth: so, it's #ubuntu-us-initials, or #ubuntu-us-fullname, or #ubuntu-us-whatever-the-team-prefers? [02:46] where's the document anyway? [02:46] LjL: ask the dutchman [02:47] #ubuntu-us-[state code] [02:47] nalioth: he'd say "ask the council", you know that :) [02:47] nalioth: you have seen tomato monsters? [02:47] Tm_T: i have. [02:47] the only document i know about is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/ChannelNaming [02:48] nalioth: roger, so it's known spammer then? [02:48] and that does specify #ubuntu-countrycode-regioncode, and the fact that "YY" is used to indicate the region code would seem to imply it has to be two characters [02:48] Tm_T: for weeks now [02:48] aye [02:48] anyway, US states lend themselves quite well to that since they are *already* encoded with two characters in addresses and stuff i think [02:49] nalioth: I did small help for removing him fast [02:49] :) [02:49] nalioth: trigger.pl and right command will do :) === LongPointyPony is now known as LongPointyStick === LongPointyStick is now known as GoldenPony [02:50] Jono has asked that we do #ubuntu-statename [02:50] what a pain he is [02:50] heheh [02:51] so do we need to send out an alert to the mailing list? [02:51] interesting [02:51] vorian: #ubuntu-georgia belongs to whom? [02:51] vorian: I haven't seen any discussion about this to our side, so wonders [02:51] this seems complicated [02:52] but i mean, seriously. the US aren't the only country in the world. other countries have "regions", "states" or somesuch in them, and they might want to have loco teams for them [02:52] Tm_T, this discussion was had in January when we started the US teams project [02:52] are we seriously suggesting that separate namespaces are *not* needed? [02:52] vorian: with irc-ops team? [02:52] vorian: does it belong to the country of Georgia or the state of Georgia? [02:53] do people in the Country of Georgia use latin characters? [02:53] I really really think it MUST be foobuntu-countrycode-state [02:53] nalioth: the country of georgia would have #ubuntu-ge or whatever the country code is... but clashes can exist anyway [02:53] vorian: when needed yes [02:53] Tm_T: i agree. and i'd add that state initials are better than full state names [02:54] LjL: yup [02:54] or I will start #kubuntu-Karjala [02:55] I don't care either way, but most every state is set up as #ubuntu-statename [02:55] vorian, +f is cheap [02:56] aye [02:56] so is that the councils final decision? [02:57] If so, I will send out a message to the US mailing list [02:57] vorian: in the beginning the channel naming guideline weren't very clear, i suspect [02:58] yes, there was only clear direction for country teams [02:58] (yes as in i agree :) ) [02:59] vorian, the naming guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/ChannelNaming - for some reason, i (and probably somebody else too) was in the belief that they (provisionally, or permanently, or something) didn't apply to US teams, and that there were other guidelines for them [03:00] but i don't think that's the case, and i also think it's best, in term of possible naming conflicts, to just use #ubuntu-cc-ss [03:01] vorian: so, yes, please send a message to the mailing list. explain that existing channels can be forwarded by using /msg chanserv set #channel mlock +if #new-channel-name [03:01] and /msg chanserv set #old-channel guard on [03:01] or just swing by #ubuntu-ops if there are any questions [03:01] yup [03:01] we are here to help :)) [03:02] okie dokie [03:02] nalioth, *or* #ubuntu-irc, which is there for that :) [03:02] although you aren't there :P [03:02] that too! [03:02] vorian: yes, #ubuntu-irc :)) [03:03] sure thing [03:05] LjL: whoo, action soon? [03:06] Tm_T: action? a logbot? [03:06] ah minataku [03:06] yup :p [03:07] that is just sooo close to trolling [03:08] ok, message sent [03:08] vorian: :) [03:08] thanks vorian [03:08] thanks IRC council :) [03:10] what contact do we add to the access list for the IRC council? [03:10] vorian: UbuntuIRCCouncil. note that you don't *have* to. [03:10] vorian: there is no need to add that nick to the list [03:10] ok [03:11] vorian: instead, add *!*@freenode/staff/* if it's not there already, that's much more useful [03:11] I guess not with you around nalioth :) [03:11] LjL, right :) [03:12] vorian: also feel free to mention to all US loco channel contacts that they can pop in #ubuntu-irc for anything IRC operation related. i've sent a notice to that effects to most LoCo channel contacts, but only the international ones, not the US ones (i sent it to #ubuntu-us itself, but that was all) [03:13] LjL, sure thing [03:16] can we have ubotu in #ubuntu-us-oh :) [03:16] vorian: you need seveas for that... we can bring ubotwo or ubot3 there [03:17] no big deal [03:17] so how do i go about changing my teams channel? [03:18] do i need to create the chan first and then the forward? [03:18] etank: which team? [03:18] kentucky [03:18] vorian, anyway, once you set +f from -ohio to -us-oh, ubotu will join the latter as soon as he disconnects and reconnects for any reason. so, i assume, will the locobot [03:19] although it's still probably much better to notify the bot owners of the channel changes [03:19] i dont need anyone to do it for me [03:19] vorian: use mlock [03:19] vorian: and use +mif #target_channel [03:19] ok, i was using +if [03:20] vorian, no big difference, but set also chanserv guard on [03:20] well, if there is a split or services go down, the +m will keep folks from congregating in the channel [03:20] make them go "hmm, why can't i talk? [03:20] " [03:21] as opposed to "where are all the buckeyes?" [03:21] yeah well not saying it shouldn't be set [03:22] it's a gentle reminder in case services disappear [03:23] stdin: one wrong move from minataku and feel free to remove him, he's been pain in the ass himself [03:24] I'll keep an eye on him [03:24] thanks [03:26] LjL, KB3LLM just showed up on our channel for the first time yesterday, he's kind of trollish... [03:26] vorian, your channel, your trolls :P [03:26] i have enough with mine :P [03:26] lol [03:27] :) [03:27] vorian: anyway, i can part ubotwo, or i can leave it joined, it doesn't really matter to me. you really want ubotu at the end of the day, though [03:28] but i have no idea where seveas is right now [03:28] LjL, it's fine, thanks for letting it join :) [03:37] LjL: we used to have ubotu but it left many months ago [03:43] any way we can get it back [03:44] i have no idea why it went the way of the dodo [03:46] vorian, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/MovingChannels <- wrote some instructions for US channel owners to move to the new names, nalioth, please check for accuracy [03:47] etank, you can probably have it back, but you need seveas, i can't bring it back, i can bring ubotwo (which only has !factoids and nothing else) [03:47] screw it [03:47] LjL: ubot3 is there for the present [03:48] fine [03:48] etank: but you'd need to poke seveas if you want ubotu there (which is really the bot you want) [03:48] thanks LjL [03:50] mneptok: please [03:50] Tm_T: hm? [03:51] offtopicness :( [03:51] * Hobbsee defenestrates mneptok [03:52] Hobbsee: i haven't used Windows since 1998 [03:52] mneptok: and you live in a basement? [03:58] Hobbsee: i sleep in a drawer. [03:59] * nalioth applies hot glue to the edges and nails it shut [04:01] good, thanks nalioth! [04:02] poor, poor mneptok [04:03] Canonical Quotes page: " I'm the Ralph Wiggum of Canonical." [04:04] a very special individual indeed [04:04] http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/diaz/222/drawer.wav === GoldenPony is now known as Hobbsee [04:16] !ssh [04:16] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ [04:16] Hobbsee: ssh! [04:17] :P [04:19] neat.... [04:24] ssh <3 === Hobbsee is now known as GoldenPony === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee [07:02] hmmmh [08:00] WARNING: ChanServ is not replying, removing limit === elkbuntu_ is now known as elkbuntu [08:21] elkbuntu, good evening(?) === elkbuntu_ is now known as elkbuntu [10:15] Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu (worldfighter_958) [10:17] klined === stdin__ is now known as stdin_ === stdin_ is now known as stdin [12:31] In #ubuntu-offtopic, aoupi said: ubotu: that is enougH! quit it this instant! === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee [13:32] hi FloodBot3 [14:42] bloop [14:42] hi Pici [14:42] Hiyas === MenZano is now known as MenZa [14:48] ._. [14:49] Nice name [14:49] The speech recognition program lets you choose between British English, American English, Indian English, Asian English suspension marks [14:50] I'm a bit embarrassed about which one to choose [14:50] I was thinking Indian [14:51] Certainly something not very standard anyway [14:51] I would think that Indian English would be close to British English [14:52] pici think about the pronunciation, though, not the actual language [14:54] I was thinking that the vowels might be a bit closer to the Italian ones [14:54] Is just an impression, though [14:55] In any case, this is much harder than typing [14:56] Also, it cannot switch languages without waiting a minute or so [14:57] And the computer is even to slow to recognize in real time [14:58] LjL: What spec computer? [14:58] It is a celeron 1700 [14:59] With far of the gigabyte of RAM [15:00] half [15:01] hmm [15:02] i would have thought that you could have gotten reasonable performance from that [15:02] Seeker` maybe with a decent microphone and without the PSU fan grinding... dunno :) [15:03] heh [15:03] fair enough [15:03] gee this might help my wrist but it doesn't help my throat for sure [15:03] nor my patience [15:03] LjL: RSI? [15:03] Seeker`, dunno, something [15:03] doctor said to stay away from keyboard & mouse anyway [15:04] BUT I CAN'T! [15:04] =) [15:04] LjL: Is it worse in your "mouse hand"? [15:05] yeah it *is* in my "mouse hand" (right), although i'm starting to feel a little pain in the left hand too... i suspect that's just because i've started using it for things i normally use the right hand for, and to which it's not quite apt [15:05] but in the right hand it reached the point where it woke me up during sleep, although it's got better with a wrist, uhm "collar" [15:05] I found that using a graphics tablet + pen really helped when I started getting RSI like symptoms [15:06] you mean the sports support type thing? [15:06] Seeker`: my sister has a graphics tablet, so i could try... but i have a terrible relationship with pens, never been able to hold them correctly and write for more than 10 minutes without feeling pain [15:06] LjL: you too? [15:06] LjL: leftie? [15:06] I got pain in my wrist, and the back of my hand felt really weak (I could clench my fist, but unclenching didn't feel "right") [15:06] Seeker`, not sure, it's really just a wide strip i place around the wrist with velcro [15:06] Tm_T, no, right handed [15:07] LjL: okie [15:07] LjL: but pens, nnngh, just doesn't fit into my hand [15:07] Tm_T: it's just i've never learned to hold a pen correctly i guess, also it's been so long since i last used one =) [15:07] writing is painnnnn [15:07] http://www.prosportuk.com/detail/9/116/1808 [15:07] ? [15:07] LjL: I do have learned multiple [15:07] LjL: none of them stop me getting frustration and panic [15:08] LjL: It is a bit differnt from writing - it doesn't require quite as much find movement of the fingers. [15:08] right clicking can be a bit of a pain [15:09] nnnngh [15:09] no Seeker`, it's something much simpler, without a thumb support or anything... just a strip, some 6x30 cm, i wrap around the wrist. but to be honest actually, i don't use it very much as it moves away from the wrist all the time unless i tie it really (too) hard [15:09] right now i'm using a pencil and scotch tape =) [15:09] heh [15:09] ok, I'm about to get really big load of drugs, so, I think it's better I'm not in irc [15:09] see you later -> [15:10] seeya [15:10] ouch... [15:10] is there anybody who's well in here? =) [15:10] * Seeker` is (mostly) well at the moment [15:10] my RSI disappeared after using the graphics tablet for 2-3 weeks, as well as taking 1 week away from the computer [15:11] Seeker`, the latter is probably the real solution... :| [15:11] it was about 50% better before I took the week off [15:11] Seeker`, you didn't use the tablet for typing as well did you? [15:12] (i.e. with writing recognition [15:12] no [15:12] but most of my problem was the right hand, which I use for the mouse [15:12] keyboards dont bother me as much - probably 70% of the keypresses I do are with my left hand [15:13] I dont type properley [15:13] Seeker`: hm yeah but that it's *already* aching quite a bit, i can feel that the keyboard isn't helping either [15:13] hmm [15:13] ah no i definitely use both hands and mostly the right, typing with left hand only would be a pain [15:13] although, perhaps it'd be less of a pain that using this horrible voice recognition thing, after all [15:14] I guess I should count myself as lucky for not haivn any rsi issues. [15:14] well i never had something like this before... [15:14] I do use both hands, but I am left handed, and I tyype prettym uch everything left of "u j m" with my lef hand [15:14] i mean, after playing TEG for hours my fingers felt a little weird [15:15] TEG? [15:15] but i wasn't playing TEG for hours now [15:15] !info tegclient [15:15] Package tegclient does not exist in gutsy [15:15] !info teg [15:15] teg: Turn based strategy game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11.2-1 (gutsy), package size 2392 kB, installed size 3708 kB [15:15] risk [15:15] my friend got RSI really bad, he was on strong anti-inflammitories, used wrist supports and a graphics tablet [15:15] he also used workrave [15:16] !workrave [15:16] Sorry, I don't know anything about workrave - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [15:16] meh :( [15:16] !info workrave [15:16] workrave: RSI prevention tool. In component main, is optional. Version 1.8.4-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 855 kB, installed size 2564 kB [15:18] Seeker`: evil thing [15:18]