=== neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [01:32] hi Hobbsee [01:32] hiya === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee [03:52] howdy Hobbsee [03:53] hiya [03:53] hi Hobbsee, nixternal [03:53] wasabi Jucato [03:53] sushi :) [03:54] mmm sushi [03:54] yeah... [03:54] have you ever checked out tastymenu? [03:54] about 2 months ago yeah [03:54] pretty nice [03:54] I like it better than kickstart/kde4 menu [03:55] I forgot to make a review of the 3 menu replacements + k menu [03:55] kickoff :) [03:55] ya [03:55] or did they rename it? [03:55] I knew it was something with kick in it [03:55] hello [03:55] kickoff [03:55] jjjjjjesse!!! [03:55] kickstart is the stuff ubuntu created for udev right? [03:55] wasabi jjesse [03:55] !upstart | nixternal [03:55] nixternal: Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model. For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ [03:55] that one? [03:55] on my nokia while wife is watching tv [03:55] ahh, that's it [03:55] jjesse: n800? [03:56] why did I say udev? [03:56] (duh n810 isn't out yet...) [03:56] I meant init [03:56] :) [03:56] Is their a kubuntu hardy cd-rom out that has just kde4? [03:56] nope [03:56] nada [03:56] won't be either, only a gutsy one per openweek [03:56] or can you upgrade to kubuntu hardy and put only kde4 on it [03:56] oh cool [03:57] CPrgmSwR2: I use gutsy as my base for kde4, and no kde3 at all :) [03:57] Jucato: yes n800 [03:57] * Jucato had to install qt3 though.. forgot why [03:57] konversation won't work without it [03:57] well I haven't gotten around to compiling any kde3 app :) [03:58] So you setup a kde4 only box with gutsy? [03:58] what I mean is that it was pulled as a dependency for something [03:58] oh yeah, it was pulled for libpoppler-qt4-dev... weird.. [03:58] CPrgmSwR2: yep. on my lappy [03:58] jjesse: coolness :) [03:59] How did you pull in kde4 only though and where did you pull it in from? [03:59] how are you connected to IRC? native n800, ssh to desktop or remote desktop/vnc/nx? [03:59] jjesse: ^^^^ [03:59] CPrgmSwR2: svn of course :) [03:59] * jjesse wonders if kde works on the n800 [03:59] jjesse: yes! [03:59] ah!, where you able to update QCA to compile kdenetwork? [03:59] CPrgmSwR2: that I haven't tried :) [04:00] Someone needs to fix that package [04:00] jjesse: although I heard from a reliable source that the input method isn't really that polished yet [04:00] Jucato: it does? [04:00] Hmm [04:00] CPrgmSwR2: read Digg [04:00] jjesse: yes it does. unfortunately the input methods are really built around Hildon.. so... [04:00] jjesse: let me get you links :) [04:00] okay [04:00] daskreech top story or search for kde4? [04:00] jjesse: even n770 afaik [04:01] jjesse: http://dot.kde.org/1190138021/ [04:02] CPrgmSwR2: the linux section [04:02] about 1/3 of the articles are kde4 recently [04:02] the comments show great interest [04:03] both from Windows and Gnome users [04:03] Cool thk have to try ut out [04:03] oh cool [04:03] jjesse: lemme know what you experience :) [04:03] Will do [04:04] jjesse: I have yet to see someone install Qtopia on it though... [04:04] jjesse: I'm planning to get me an N810 early next year [04:04] hi hunger_t_ [04:04] (will probably do the kde too.. if I have a big enough card) [04:05] daskreech do you have the ability to update packages for kubuntu/ubuntu? [04:05] Nope [04:05] who does? [04:07] Anyone does. You just need a sponsor if you don't have upload rights. [04:08] somerville32 I am tring to find someone who will update QCA so that kdenetwork will build [04:08] he's looking for someone who will actually package it, not someone who'll upload his package :) [04:09] As I understand its going to have to be done in order for the kde4 cd to be released [04:09] or kopete will be mising [04:09] that would suck [04:09] It would [04:09] I'm using Kopete4 now and it's not that bad [04:10] CPrgmSwR2: then update qca, or update it in debian [04:10] CPrgmSwR2: is this qca or qca2, btw? [04:10] I am not sure exactly [04:10] what's the latest version of qca that htey want? [04:10] I just tried to build kdenetwork from svn [04:10] 1.9 [04:10] and ubuntu has 1.8 [04:10] * Jucato is mildy annoyed... [04:10] CPrgmSwR2: use qca2 in ubuntu [04:11] mental note: don't lend mice to addict gamerz... [04:11] is qca2 not installed by default? [04:11] CPrgmSwR2: correct [04:11] sarah@LongPointyStick:~% madison libqca2 3:11PM [04:11] libqca2 | 2.0.0~beta7-1ubuntu1 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au gutsy/universe Packages [04:11] libqca2 | 2.0.0~beta7-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages [04:11] qca2 | 2.0.0-3 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au hardy/universe Sources [04:11] qca2 | 2.0.0-3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Sources [04:12] oh that sucks [04:12] why? [04:12] we dont distribute kde4 stuff by default anyway? [04:12] I complained about it a couple days ago and even someone from #kde4-devel said I need to have ubuntu update their packages [04:13] Aren't we for hardy?? [04:13] btw there is a -dev part to it right [04:13] jjesse: that's the plan... kde4 edu.. but I have doubts.. regarding CD space [04:13] well, they clearly arent aware that we have qca and qca2, as the old qca is needed to run kde3 versions [04:13] CPrgmSwR2: you might want to point that out to your #kde4-devel friends [04:13] :) [04:13] jjesse: this is gutsy being discussed, i thought [04:14] But how will that work with the spec? [04:14] jjesse: beats me :) [04:14] jjesse: we're not doing kde4 by default for hardy, as per the spec/ [04:14] I thought we were doing jde4 gutsy cds [04:14] what about kde4 hardy cds?> [04:14] Doh kde [04:15] jjesse: kde4 wont get shoved in main yet anyway, i expect [04:15] i expect they'll build the cds without it [04:15] as in, with them being in universe [04:15] Hobbsee: not kde4 by default, but kde4 edu apps, as per fosscamp... I think... [04:15] :/ [04:15] Jucato: ah - i havent seen the spec since sevilla [04:15] * Jucato is now confused over what's official and what's "promises" [04:15] hahaha [04:16] The spec has been approved [04:16] election day coming to you too, is it? [04:16] who? me? [04:16] Jucato: right, so those will presumably be in hardy, so it'll have to be on the cds for then [04:16] Hobbsee: I would highly advice making a kde4 hardy cd and a kde3 hardy cd... and push the kde3 hardy cd [04:16] yes [04:16] Hobbsee: nah. just finished last year [04:16] CPrgmSwR2: that's the plan. or a kde4 gutsy cd [04:16] CPrgmSwR2: as per the spec [04:16] but that's not now, anyway [04:17] if I download/install a kde4 gutsy cd, can I upgrade to hardy without losing kde4? [04:17] CPrgmSwR2: we don't support it. [04:17] CPrgmSwR2: this is the idea of an unsupported cd. [04:17] so, it may break, it may not. [04:18] Hobbsee I think it should be made easy for users to install kubuntu with kde4 as the default desktop environment, because mainly installing it from universe is not all that easy [04:19] CPrgmSwR2: feel free to help do that [04:19] but we're focussing on other stuff until the final release, i susepct. [04:19] CPrgmSwR2: here's what's been decided so far: 1. Hardy will not ship with KDE 4 by default. 2. We might (or will) release KDE 4 Live CD's based on Gutsy when KDE 4 comes out. 3. There will be KDE4 apps on Hardy, KDE Edu [04:19] a unsupported kde4 hardy and gutsy Cd ? [04:19] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHardyKde4 [04:19] daskreech: one or the other. [04:19] Both [04:19] Hobbsee: one or the other? [04:19] oh, both? neat. [04:19] that makes no sense [04:19] why? [04:19] Kde4 comes out during gutsy [04:20] Right [04:20] A [04:20] and if we release a gutsy Cd then we can't have a hardy one? [04:20] daskreech: spec's been updated since i last saw it. i thought i was subscribed. [04:20] Anyway I just want to have a ppa build every week for kde4 trunk [04:20] At uds Riddell talked about borh [04:20] much like the Vm that's out now [04:20] daskreech: please do it. although that'll dos PPA a bit. [04:21] daskreech why not just make use of svn [04:21] jjesse: neat, OK [04:21] CPrgmSwR2: Some people can keep up with svn some cant [04:21] ScottK: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/playground/pim/pinentry-qt4 [04:21] :) [04:21] nixternal: ROCK ON! [04:21] the idea is to make kubuntu the developers ground for the 4.0-> 4.1 trek [04:21] that wasn't me...it was someone else...been there for a while :) [04:21] The most agrevating thing about kde4 is that its not going to be really adopted until kde 4.l [04:22] Sorry slow typing on nokia [04:22] CPrgmSwR2: right but by then Ibex should be shipping [04:22] I was sitting here doing the port and did a 'locate' for something, and I noticed it sitting in playground [04:22] jjesse: :) [04:22] ibex? [04:22] what is Ibex? [04:23] * Hobbsee would suggest google for that [04:23] CPrgmSwR2: hardy=1 [04:23] hardy+1 [04:24] incontinent ibex [04:24] Has that been named? [04:24] no [04:24] oh [04:25] I found ibex clothing [04:25] jjesse: if it had, there would be an announcement about it [04:25] google is not being very helpful for ibex [04:25] Figured [04:25] and I hope it won't be incontinent :) [04:25] CPrgmSwR2: please look at getting the hardy versoin of qca2 backported. [04:26] I am right now in gentoo, becaues I didn't find a fix earlier [04:27] I am not all that knowledgable about install custom packages for ubuntu [04:29] wtf gentoo has qca-1.0 [04:29] grrr!!! now I'm more than mildly annoyed... [04:30] oh good, even debian went to qca and qca2 [04:30] Jucato: mouse? [04:31] daskreech: yeah [04:31] brb [04:31] * Jucato switches mice again [04:32] Hobbsee: had to go qca and qca2, there are kde3 apps that require qca and and qca2 is not backwards compatible [04:32] nixternal: 'xactly [04:32] nixternal: fo ra while, it appeared that they were going to forsake all kde3 apps [04:32] who needs psi, etc, anyway? [04:33] ahh [04:33] nixternal: the sync requests got shoved to me for approval, this is how i know ;) [04:33] I thought the first time I packaged qca2 I grabbed it from Debian [04:33] can't remember though [04:33] yeah, likely [04:33] i think we grabbed the source and renamed it [04:33] yay, I blasted my audio in kde4 and can't remember how to set it back up :) [04:33] right... I am so going to kill my neighbor... [04:34] haha [04:34] Jucato: what's up with you? I heard something about a cyclone heading your way [04:34] well my fault for lending him a logitech mouse... [04:34] nixternal: still heading I think.. hasn't reached our area yet [04:34] you are north of where it is to land? [04:34] the funny thing is.. now that it's heading this way, the sun is actually shining and it's quite hot... [04:34] I didn't pay close attention, except that they were telling people to leave the low lying areas [04:35] north and a bit west [04:37] * jjesse beds [04:43] Jucato: so you llent him your pet and must kill him? [04:43] I lent him my pet (or toy, since mice are cats' toys) and he all but killed it [04:44] Oh [04:44] that's not nice [04:44] I'm so going to tell his mom [04:44] but after tonight, coz I need something from him tonight :D [04:45] a man of principles :) [04:45] yuriy, nixternal: kde4-krush day :) you in? [04:46] * Jucato wasn't asked... [04:47] * Hobbsee voluntells Jucato to go help with the crush day [04:47] Jucato: I don't think you were there when i was egging them on :) [04:47] Jucato: you in? [04:47] somethign to do during the storm? [04:47] been there for the past 4 hours... no activity though... [04:47] but I'll have to be out because oflunch :) [04:47] of lunch [04:48] daskreech: I am always there :) [04:48] daskreech: but you aren't :) [04:48] oh well. lunch [04:49] and something for you to chew on :) http://www.linux.com/feature/121930 [04:49] I know that's why I get as many others as I can :) [04:49] http://www.gnome.org/press/releases/ecma-tc45-statement.html [04:49] I try and confirm bugs after [04:49] after they're fixed? O.o [04:49] after the Krushday [04:49] heh [04:49] ok gone :) [04:50] most of the bugs remain unfixed you may notice [04:50] if they are fixed then a few are left open on the wiki [04:50] We may need a new page soon for the old bugs to Klean up the page [04:53] I found an annoying bug in Konqueror [04:53] open up konqueror and type the letter p in the url bar, see if it crashes on you [04:53] ahh, it isn't doing it now...fixed! [04:53] hehe [04:54] I think ^M tops that [05:07] Well I just broke Kde4 somehow [05:07] nixternal: don't mind krashing Konqueror? [05:09] heh, you just made it crash by saying it [05:12] \o/ [05:13] well go to a page and press ctrl+f to search for something [05:16] Does it work? [05:19] yes it does work [05:19] nixternal: ok [05:20] nixternal: press ctrl+M to hide the menu and try search again [05:20] now tell me how to get that damn menu back :) [05:20] no it doesn't work [05:21] heh, you gotta right click in the window and tell it to show the Menubar, which has the shortcut ctrl+M, but obviously that doesnt' work [05:21] I'm thinking that Ctrl+M disables any Ctrl shortcuts [05:21] Which includes of course ^M [05:22] I was trying that out when I guess plasma burped and everythign went down [05:22] then I couldn't log back in :( [05:23] But that there is a good bug [05:23] It's not just konqueror either I think any app that allows ^M exhibits that behaviour [05:26] nixternal: oh second thing. can you alt+shift+tab ? [05:28] well, I can do it, but all it does is cause me not to be able to use my damn keyboard [05:28] konsole refresh sucks btw === Shely is now known as Huahua [05:36] alt+shift+tab doesn't work for me [05:37] what is it supposed to do? [05:37] all it did for me is totally kill my keyboard [05:37] its suppose to allow you to select the previous window [05:37] alt+tab lets you go forward [05:37] also check and make sure that KDED Global Shortcuts is running, which I am guessing it isn't for either of you [05:37] and alt+shift+tab lets you go back [05:38] alt+tab works [05:38] I can switch through windows foward only is the issue === Huahua is now known as Shely [06:00] Interesting that both Linus and Stallman seem to be behind KDE [06:02] * Hobbsee ponders installing kde4 [06:02] No need [06:02] just wait for gnome 3 [06:03] :P [06:06] I wonder if it would take longer than vista [06:07] Stallman isn't behind any DE [06:07] he doesn't use a DE, but when he does, he uses Gnome [06:07] he uses Ututo [06:08] Yeah but he asked Gnome to come out with a statement like KDE [06:08] well according to the article [06:08] Let me see if they have a quote [06:12] ya, because Gnome is GNU, of course he is going to tell them to come out with a similar statement [06:13] * Hobbsee downloads [06:16] \o/ [06:16] so doing kde4 krush tomorrow Hobbsee? [06:17] DaSkreech_: today!!! [06:17] it is saturday here in chicago :) [06:17] damn [06:17] that is true [06:17] Hi Jucato [06:17] and it is definitely saturday in Hobbseeland [06:17] interesting release [06:17] DaSkreech_: wasnt planning on it [06:17] hey [06:17] * Jucato is going to hit the sack [06:17] Me too [06:17] what release? [06:17] whoa [06:17] the gnome one [06:18] Jucato: sleep already? you feel ok? :) [06:18] nixternal: I only slept from 5am to 8am :) [06:18] that doesn't really speak out against OOXML but kinda does for ODF but really does for Gnome [06:18] ah the one I posted earlier? [06:18] Yes [06:18] amazing, right? :) [06:19] * Jucato wouldn't want to be in GNOME's shoes right now... [06:20] they have big feet to put in it don' [06:20] t worry abotu them [06:20] they have jdub man, all will be well on their front...actually, I am willing to bet that would bring more people to Gnome...why? because people will see that as cooperation and collaboration, and if people get a warm and fuzzy about better .doc and .xls support, then many will be happy [06:21] * Jucato is definitely not :) [06:21] or maybe it's just my sleeplessness talking [06:21] it's .docx and xls..x ... I think [06:21] but I feel all warm and fuzzy that RMS acknowledged KDE's stance :) [06:22] Yeah i was just talking about that [06:22] It's RMS though. Once you stand on his side he'll point at you [06:22] coming from the man who said KDE should apologize (over the whole licensing issue), that's a big +1 from him :) [06:22] Though if you aren't on his side he'll point at you as well ... just with a glare [06:23] the glare! the glaaare! [06:23] http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/rms-ati-protest.html [06:24] RMS is awesome when he's in full swing [06:25] anyway, time for that sleep :) [06:27] * DaSkreech_ races Jucato to bed [06:27] Night all! [06:28] obviously you have been to an RMS talk...for the first 10 minutes he stands up front with his arms out, then scratches his crotch, then smiles, and then to end it, breaks out into a song that will make your ears bleed [06:28] s/have/haven't [06:29] everyone I have gone to have almost been just like that [06:29] daskreach talking about RMS, and then is using chatzilla...jeesh [06:29] :p [06:29] hm, xephr is borken. [06:31] sarah@LongPointyStick:~% Xephyr :1 & export DISPLAY=:1; xterm 5:29PM [06:31] [1] 13433 [06:31] Xephyr cannot open host display. Is DISPLAY set? [06:31] [1] + exit 1 Xephyr :1 [06:31] xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :1 [06:31] * Hobbsee wonders why [06:40] export DISPLAY=:1 [06:40] err, she left === sarah is now known as Hobbsee [06:55] right. [06:55] hrmm [06:55] didn't work for you? [06:56] no, it's working [06:56] did you build from svn or are you using rc1 from the repos? [06:58] rc1 from repos [06:59] I haven't had a chance to run the repos yet [07:00] it's certainly interesting [07:01] chuggier than i was expecting [07:01] right now it still is [07:02] I have been using it full time for almost a month now [07:05] chugga chugga chugga choo choo! [07:06] I thought you went to sleep? [07:06] I thought so too... [07:06] but I couldn't! [07:06] :( [07:06] hehe, what is it there? like 2pm? [07:07] 3pm [07:07] hrmm, my clock says 02:00 [07:07] good morning :) [07:07] moin stdin [07:07] mornin' [07:07] qca2_2.0.0 >> myppa :) [07:07] Palinthe~ [07:08] hrmm [07:08] dunno what I just did [07:08] I was about to ask you :) [07:09] I looked away for a second at my other system and turned back and seen that [07:09] scary :) [07:12] wb Hobbsee [07:12] * Jucato chooses to ignore sleep [07:12] note to self: don't even attempt to lock the screen [07:14] :) [07:22] hehe, locking works here just fine [07:22] even when I close my lid [07:23] well, the *locking* part is fine [07:24] it's just the unlocking part that appears to not work. [07:24] ahh [07:24] ok nixternal, time to give Hobbsee the key to the lock that you've hidden [07:26] sure, I build from SVN [07:26] ARGH! [07:35] argh? [07:35] sky fell in [07:35] oh [07:35] no wonder the silence :) [07:36] no, I hate when devs don't put the CMakelist.txt file in root [07:36] and give you install commands like: mkdir build && cd build && cmake ../src && make [07:37] okular? [07:37] speedcrunch [07:38] oh... [07:38] * Jucato can't make up his mind whether speedcrunch is a kde app or a pure qt one... [07:38] I don't know python worth a shit 100% just yet, so slinging r.CMake(objDir='build') and r.CMake(dir='src') is all I know to do for the time being [07:51] looks like kdenetwork should build now, as soon as qca2 get's going anyway [07:52] :) [07:52] stdin: I can't get qca2 built from svn but hummm [07:52] you're backporting qca2, i take it? [07:52] Tm_T: I used the version from hardy [07:52] Hobbsee: yeah [07:53] Hobbsee: kdenetwork-kde4 fails with the gutsy version, works with the hardy one [07:53]