[00:08] <Seq> I have to depart. I will read over the channel log and pop back in tomorrow to update based on uploading from elsewhere
[00:10] <kiko> Fujitsu, no, it doesn't fetch orig's from the primary archive yet AFAIK. and yet..
[00:10] <kiko> http://ppa.launchpad.net/chrisirwin/ubuntu/
[00:12] <Ubulette> hm, tiny bug in the ppa page. there's no "1st/Prev/Next/last" anymore in ~user/+archive/
[00:12] <Seq> kiko: it uploaded everything when I used manual ftp. it still hung after uploading the orig.tar.gz, but it did upload the correct number of bits
[00:14] <Fujitsu> kiko: Yeah, I noticed that bug (#139619) is targetted for 1.1.12, which is good.
[00:14] <Seq> when I used dput, it hung after the .orig.tar.gz as well, but it was the second file (not the last) and thus never uploaded enough to build the project at the point it got stuck..
[00:14] <Fujitsu> Ubulette: Click Search.
[00:14] <Fujitsu> That's bug... I forget which.
[00:14] <Fujitsu> Bug #158574
[00:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 158574 in soyuz "+archive doesn't show all packages" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158574 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)
[00:15] <Ubulette> ok, if it's known, i don't need to worry :)
[00:16] <kiko> Seq, so... it's weird but it did work.
[00:16] <kiko> http://ppa.launchpad.net/chrisirwin/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.22/
[00:16] <kiko> now we need to wait for the build sequencer to run
[00:16] <Fujitsu> kiko: It's not that weird. It *was* listed in the .changes.
[00:17] <kiko> and then for the actual build
[00:17] <Fujitsu> Just that file seems to do bad things to both ftplib and ftp, or poppy.
[00:17] <kiko> Fujitsu, well it's weird that it hung and yet still worked. I think our ftp server really makes an effort not to drop files.
[00:17] <kiko> right :)
[00:17] <kiko> oh, is it the actual file?
[00:18] <Fujitsu> Maybe it's just that it's massive.
[00:18] <kiko> did you try uploading yourself? i won't offer because my uplink is 128kb/s
[00:18]  * Fujitsu tries.
[00:18] <kiko> so it'd take a year and a quarter
[00:18] <Seq> Fujitsu: I'd imagine other people have uploaded kernel source before
[00:18] <Fujitsu> Mine is 256k, but I have faster links elsewhere, and am used to uploading massive things.
[00:19] <Fujitsu> Seq: Which file did it upload before the .orig.tar.gz when you dput it?
[00:19] <Seq> just the .dsc I believe
[00:20] <kiko> so no .changes. that's terrible.
[00:20] <kiko> :)
[00:20] <Fujitsu> Seq: How fast is your upstream?
[00:20] <Seq> kiko: well it didn't get to the .diff.gz either, so it may have done the changes after
[00:20] <Fujitsu> .changes is always done last by dput.
[00:20] <Fujitsu> Because that's what queue dameons process.
[00:21] <Fujitsu> s/dameons/daemons/
[00:21] <Fujitsu> Although I suppose poppy is slightly odd and works by connection, rather than looking for the .changes.
[00:21] <Seq> 800 kbits/s. Gnome System Monitor reports that I was uploading at 80 to 90 KB/s
[00:22] <kiko> Fujitsu, so, the way poppy works is that it just takes the whole set of files and then trigger process-upload.
[00:22] <kiko> Fujitsu, now process-upload itself builds a data structure based on what it finds in the .changes file, and in the .dsc file 
[00:22] <Fujitsu> kiko: That's what I thought. Other queue daemons don't touch anything until they see a .changes, the try to find the associated files.
[00:22] <kiko> if there's no .changes file then process-upload gets pretty upset
[00:23] <Fujitsu> s/the/then/
[00:23] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[00:23] <kiko> it's put in a directory which is inspectable manually
[00:23]  * Fujitsu uploads at 500KB/s
[00:23] <kiko> so we can see what happened to every upload that failed
[00:23] <kiko> show-off
[00:23] <Fujitsu> That's good.
[00:23] <Fujitsu> Heh, it's actually a Canonical ServerPronto machine.
[00:23] <Seq> Fujitsu: :(
[00:23] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i hate you.
[00:23] <Fujitsu> Uploaded fine for me.
[00:24] <Hobbsee> :)
[00:24] <Fujitsu> Seq: If you could try it on another 'net connection, it will probably work.
[00:24] <Fujitsu> That is really odd.
[00:24] <kiko> Fujitsu, well, hang on. that's a DC-internal machine, is it not?
[00:24] <Seq> Fujitsu: I don't see why that would make a difference? It _did_ upload the complete file.. I will try anyway
[00:24] <Fujitsu> kiko: No.
[00:24] <Fujitsu> ServerPronto != DC
[00:25] <Fujitsu> Not all of those machines were decomissioned and replaced in the DC.
[00:25] <Seq> I will also try with a smaller package on my connection, and a different large file on the other connection
[00:26] <Fujitsu> It might be advisable to watch the upload with wireshark, and see what it tries to do at the end.
[00:26] <Seq> Fujitsu: When do you expect to be around here again? I've really got to run
[00:27] <Fujitsu> Seq: I'm normally around here from about 2100 to 1300 UTC, though I'll be gone for a couple of hours in a couple of hours.
[00:27] <Seq> Fujitsu: I don't expect to be on again until tomorrow.
[00:28] <kiko> ah.
[00:30] <Seq> Fujitsu: I'll try to get back on in four or five hours (0500 UTC). I'll drop you a line if I see you.
[00:30] <Seq> kiko, Fujitsu, frenchy, Hobbsee: thanks!
[00:30] <Fujitsu> Seq: I'm glad it worked eventually, but it would be nice to work out what actually went wrong.
[00:32] <Seq> Fujitsu: well I'll try a small and a different large file here, as well as trying this one on another connection. if you have any other ideas, please mention them. I'll check the logs when I return
[00:33] <Seq> build started, anyway. woohoo.
[00:36] <frenchy> Seq: don't thank me, I just distracted you 'till the real pros turned up. 
[00:37] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: so how does one get access to fast uploads?
[00:37] <Hobbsee> oh, i guess you'd need to be part fo the loco or something
[00:38] <kiko> heh
[00:39] <Hobbsee> kiko: i love uploading at puny speeds, can't you tell?  :)
[00:40] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: At least you don't maintain lrm.
[00:40] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: true. but KDE is also fairly big.
[00:41] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: http://rafb.net/p/vILuff60.html :P
[00:41] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: don't turn out like these crazy people, when going for DD
[00:41] <Hobbsee> (that was in #debian-qt-kde)
[00:42] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Oh dear.
[00:42]  * Hobbsee idly wonders about work's secret mission
[02:24] <frenchy> Is it just me or is there something wrong with codebrowse.launchpad.net
[02:24] <frenchy> ?
[02:25] <frenchy> Proxy Error The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
[02:25] <frenchy> The proxy server could not handle the request GET /~michael-lamothe/me-tv/development/files. Reason: Error reading from remote server
[03:04] <Hobbsee> drat.  can someone approve my lp-users ML post please?
[03:04]  * Hobbsee posted it from the wrong address
[03:10]  * Hobbsee cancels it, writes it again
[03:46] <kiko> sure.
[03:46]  * Hobbsee smites her wifi card.
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #164790 in launchpad "Launchpad should run a Bazaar server and advertise bzr:// URLs." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164790
[04:48] <LaserJock> that's kinda interesting
[05:04] <frenchy> Hobbsee: I posted a comment about codebrowse.launchpad.net not being available before.  Did you get that?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> frenchy: yeah, i saw it
[05:05] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yeah, i thought so.
[05:05] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: you konw...seeing as it does for most of the URLs now
[05:05] <Hobbsee> would be nice to do them all, though
[05:06] <frenchy> Hobbsee: Do you know if there's something wrong?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> frenchy: i dont play with bzr much, sorry
[05:07] <Hobbsee> frenchy: apart from saying something on the remote server is broken...no idea
[05:07] <frenchy> Hobbsee: Ok, thanks, thanks also for responding to my email about uploading me-tv.
[05:08] <Hobbsee> no problem
[05:10] <Seq> hello folks. It looks like that package built fine. Thanks for the help earlier
[05:16] <Hobbsee> frenchy: no idea when it will happen.  soonish, though.
[05:16] <Hobbsee> fsvo soon :)
[06:09] <frenchy> Hooray, it's back online.  Took about 3 hours.
[07:15] <Hobbsee> next LP task:  invent a stab-via-email protocol.
[07:16] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: I'd like an implementation of SIGECUTE.
[07:16] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: would that be short for SIGELECTROCUTE?
[07:17] <Hobbsee> > This is already planned.  Not sure how soon it will happen, though.
[07:17] <Hobbsee> Qtr 3 2009
[07:17] <Hobbsee> -- Scott http://angrykeyboarder.com
[07:17] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Right, see man xkill (after installing funny-manpages), IIRC.
[07:17] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Where's this?
[07:17] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: private mail
[07:17] <Hobbsee> or at least, it appears to be private
[07:19] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[07:26] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: hehe, there's some nice stuff in this
[07:27] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: `this'?
[07:28] <Hobbsee> funny-manpages
[07:28] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[07:28] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[07:39] <Hobbsee> sigh.
[07:43] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Just X again?
[07:44] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: no, gutsy akregator.  X seems to freeze, just sometimes when attempting to delete articles.
[07:46] <Fujitsu> Nice one.
[07:46]  * Fujitsu uses Liferea, which doesn't generally get along well with regularly restarts.
[07:51] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: do you delete articles at all?
[07:53] <chx> Hi. Seems the import script stopped to import Drupal. yesterday I asked but seems there are few people who remedy this -- is there a place where i can file a ticket or something?
[07:53] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: I do not.
[08:05] <ubotu> New bug: #164806 in blueprint "Search for "about" doesn't find "About This Computer" blueprint" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164806
[08:15] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: right, that's probalby how you can use it then
[08:21] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: we havent crashed yet.  *crosses fingers*
[08:26] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Famous last words...
[08:26] <Hobbsee> yeah well.
[08:27]  * Fujitsu watches his local Liberal MP lose miserably.
[08:27] <Hobbsee> do you want lib anyway?
[08:27] <Fujitsu> Ergh, no.
[08:27] <Hobbsee> so, a good thing :)
[08:27] <Hobbsee> down with the evil workchoices!  down!
[08:27] <Fujitsu> We presumed he'd stay around, but it's quite a significant swing in the opposite direction.
[08:28] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:28]  * Hobbsee notes that bennelong appears to be an "in doubt" seat :P
[08:28] <Hobbsee> ("oh, how tragic")
[08:29] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[08:29] <Fujitsu> The swing against the Greens there is massive.
[08:30] <Fujitsu> How devastating it will be to lose Howard.
[08:30] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:31] <Fujitsu> The PM has only lost their seat on one prior occasion, so...
[08:31] <Hobbsee> what'd they do the last time?
[08:31] <Fujitsu> Not sure; it was in 1920 or so.
[08:31] <Hobbsee> ah
[08:31]  * Hobbsee --> dinner
[08:34] <stdin> hmm, are the PPA buildd's ok? I've has a package pending for about an hour now and all the PPA buildd's say they are idle
[08:40] <Fujitsu> stdin: It seems that things have been dead for several hours now.
[08:42] <stdin> hmm, ok
[09:29] <imbrandon> hrm ok strange ( to me atleaste ) my PPA says the files are status "deleted" ( as requested ) but they are still in the /pool , is this normal ?
[09:30] <imbrandon> LP-ID ~imbrandon 
[09:37] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: When were they deleted?
[09:37] <imbrandon> few hours ago
[09:38] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: ^
[09:38] <Fujitsu> The actual removals are only performed nightly.
[09:38] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[10:09] <TABASCO> Hi
[10:09] <TABASCO> Is this the support channel for launchpad here?
[10:10] <Hobbsee> yes
[10:12] <TABASCO> Great
[10:12] <TABASCO> Well first of all, "Yes, I tried the tutorials and I searched for a solution on help.launchpad" but I still do not know how to manage it
[10:13] <TABASCO> I want to upload files to my project
[10:13] <TABASCO> So I created a bazaar branch
[10:13] <TABASCO> https://code.launchpad.net/geograph/
[10:13] <TABASCO> I choose "hosted" as the branch type
[10:14] <TABASCO> I registered a SSH Key and all the stuff 
[10:14] <TABASCO> But I haven't worked with SSH and Bazaar before, so I do not really understand how to upload something, now.
[10:14] <pochu> do you want to have a bzr branch, or to upload files such as tarballs?
[10:15] <TABASCO> I want to upload testfiles
[10:15] <TABASCO> .blend files
[10:15] <TABASCO> Because I use the blender interface to develope
[10:17] <TABASCO> But tarballs would be okay, too.
[10:17]  * Hobbsee would suggest www.wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr is rather useful
[10:17] <Hobbsee> (although it's ubuntu specific, the concepts are the same)
[10:18] <TABASCO> Well, I use Ubuntu so that would be no problem.
[10:18] <Hobbsee> er, no www
[10:18] <TABASCO> But this page doesn't exist
[10:18] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr
[10:18] <TABASCO> Okay..
[10:18] <Hobbsee> yes, hence the no www. in front
[10:18] <TABASCO> Okay, I have it
[10:19] <TABASCO> But generally, it IS possible to upload files to Launchpad, is it?
[10:19] <Hobbsee> of course
[10:19] <pochu> TABASCO: yes, and you can upload files directly, but that's used for releases and that stuff...
[10:20] <Hobbsee> pochu: which he's probably planning to eventually do
[10:20] <Hobbsee> TABASCO: bzr's like svn or something, concept-wise.  so yes, you can upload a whole bunch of files into a directory
[10:21] <TABASCO> What I want is uploading .blend files so that I can use them on other computers very easy and share them with other people who want to contribute on my project
[10:21] <TABASCO> I have to admit that I never used SVN before..
[10:22] <Hobbsee> sure, but do you understand the concept of svn?
[10:23] <Hobbsee> like, the fact that it's revision control, so you can upload new versions of some files, change files, etc.
[10:23] <TABASCO> Well, as far as I know someone is uploading files and if they are updatet I can get these files very easy
[10:23] <Hobbsee> and can revert if you screw it up, etc
[10:23] <Hobbsee> right, so read the wiki page, then come back with questions - it's a pretty good guide
[10:23] <TABASCO> The Ubuntu Wiki or the Wikipedia article
[10:24] <Hobbsee> ubuntu wiki
[10:24] <TABASCO> Okay, thank you
[11:16] <TABASCO> Hobbsee: I worked through the bzr wiki article but the point at "push" doesn't work
[11:16] <TABASCO> Lot of cryptical outputs and a "please send this report to bazaar@lists.ubuntu.com" and the end
[11:17] <Hobbsee> TABASCO: then id' suggest sending as much of the backscroll that you can, up to and including that error message, to the address suggested, and see what happens :)
[11:18] <Hobbsee> also, a pastebin of the same info would be good (pastebin.ca), in case someone can figure it out now
[11:18] <TABASCO> I already sent a mail
[11:19] <TABASCO> http://pastebin.ca/795723
[11:20] <TABASCO> That's it
[11:21] <Hobbsee> TABASCO: for a start, you wanted bzr push ftp://daniel-rentzsch@bazaar.launchpad.net/~daniel-rentzsch/geograph/examples - and i think you want to change "ftp" with "bzr+ssh"
[11:21] <Hobbsee> as it's faster
[11:21] <Hobbsee> and hopefully won't time out on you
[11:36] <mwhudson> oh yikes, ftp ?
[11:36] <mwhudson> something got misread there :)
[11:39] <TABASCO> mwhudson: Well, the wiki said sftp, but this didn't worked
[11:39] <mwhudson> sftp is much much more likely to work than ftp, i promise :)
[11:40] <mwhudson> i could take to IS about having ftp get refused, rather than timing out
[11:40]  * Fujitsu thinks that mwhudson might possibly know what he's doing.
[11:40] <Fujitsu> s/doing/talking about/
[11:40] <TABASCO> Well, with bzr+ssh everything worked fine
[11:40] <TABASCO> Now, how can I delete files?
[11:40] <mwhudson> TABASCO: great
[11:40] <mwhudson> TABASCO: files?
[11:41] <mwhudson> you can delete branches in the web ui
[11:41] <pochu> bzr remove ?
[11:41] <mwhudson> files inside your branch, that's a bazaar question
[11:41] <mwhudson> (but an easy one)
[11:42] <TABASCO> So I should go to #bazaar?
[11:42] <TABASCO> And yes, I want to delete files inside my branch
[11:43] <TABASCO> Respectively delete my branch
[11:43] <mwhudson> the channel is #bzr
[11:43]  * mwhudson afk, have fun
[11:44] <TABASCO> Thank you
[12:39] <TABASCO> Okay, I got it :)
[12:39] <TABASCO> I uploaded a file into the branch
[12:39] <TABASCO> Great - thank you for your help
[12:39] <TABASCO> Now to delete branches - is it possible to do this from the launchpad?
[12:48] <kiko> yes
[12:51] <Hobbsee> morning kiko 
[12:52]  * Hobbsee just marks them as obsolete / abandoned.  there's a better way to do it?
[12:52] <kiko> yes
[12:53] <TABASCO> So how is the better way?
[12:54] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: The feature only appeared a couple of releases back.
[12:55] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ahhh.  that's why i've not tried.
[12:55] <Fujitsu> TABASCO: If you find the branch page on code.launchpad.net/~username/project/branch, there should be a link to delete it.
[12:57] <TABASCO> Fujitsu: I have a look on it
[12:57] <chx> mwhudson: hi
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: dude, arent you supposed to have some form of weekend
[12:57] <Hobbsee> ?
[12:57] <chx> mwhudson: I am told you are the one who could make the Drupal main branch update again
[12:57] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: What do you mean?
[12:58] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: havent you been on irc all day or so?
[12:58] <Fujitsu> For about 15 hours now, yeah. As normal.
[12:59] <Fujitsu> Though I did vanish for a couple of hours, which is bad.
[12:59] <Hobbsee> oh.  i thought weekends were supposed to be different.
[12:59] <Fujitsu> Never!
[12:59] <TABASCO> Well, I do not really see a button to delete a branch
[13:00] <Fujitsu> TABASCO: Not in the Actions portlet on the left?
[13:00] <TABASCO> No, not really.
[13:00] <TABASCO> I am now on https://code.launchpad.net/~daniel-rentzsch/geograph/examples
[13:00] <TABASCO> This is the project: https://code.launchpad.net/geograph
[13:02] <Hobbsee> dear launchpad, please don't timeout.  we were getting along *so* well, when you hadn't timed out in a couple of weeks.
[13:02] <Hobbsee> bloody murphy.
[13:02] <TABASCO> :)
[13:03] <chx> Hobbsee: Is there a place to file a ticket to get Drupal main branch updated again ? chasing mwhudson here is not easy
[13:03] <TABASCO> I'm getting always troubles when I browse through rosetta
[13:03] <Hobbsee> chx: no idea, sorry.  i guess a question on the relevant component of launchpad.  kiko-phone might be able to tell you
[13:03]  * Hobbsee does not work on launchpad
[13:04] <chx> Hobbsee: ah ok. well kiko-phone told me yestrday that only mwhudson can do this :(
[13:04] <TABASCO> Does anyone else know how to delete a branch in Launchpad?
[13:04] <mwhudson> chx: ask a question in the launchpad-bazaar project
[13:05] <mwhudson> chx: i'm in the uk and work uk hours, i'm not _that_ hard to find
[13:05] <mwhudson> !weekend
[13:05] <ubotu> It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[13:05] <mwhudson> etc
[13:05] <mwhudson> TABASCO: go to the branch view in the webapp, click "delete this branch"
[13:05]  * mwhudson afk again
[13:07] <TABASCO> I really have no idea where to click "delete this branch"
[13:07] <TABASCO> Am I blind?
[13:08] <Fujitsu> TABASCO: Should be near the `Subscribe someone else' button.
[13:10] <TABASCO> Fujitsu: In "Actions" there is "Browse code", "Browse revisions", "Change registrant", "Edit subscription", Subscribe someone else", "View branch associations", "Register merge proposal" and "Link to bug report"...
[13:10] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, hi :)
[13:11] <Hobbsee> hey bluekuja!
[13:11] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, a question...is secure to upload a package to PPA using a key enabled for uploading inside the archive?
[13:11] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, I mean... changes files are available for download 
[13:11]  * Hobbsee reads that again, and hopes to parse it the second time.
[13:11] <Fujitsu> bluekuja: There is a private bug on that.
[13:12] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: did it get fixed though?
[13:12] <Hobbsee> cprov-away: any idea?
[13:12] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: I don't know; it's private.
[13:12] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, that's a great problem actually
[13:12] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: then i'll ask mithrandir.
[13:12] <Fujitsu> TABASCO: That is strange. You didn't link it to any bugs or anything?
[13:12] <TABASCO> Fujitsu: No, I didn't
[13:12] <Fujitsu> bluekuja: It is a significant risk at the moment, unless it has been fixed.
[13:12] <Hobbsee> bluekuja: hopefully i'll find out in a couple of days.  
[13:13] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, great :)
[13:13] <TABASCO> I am very new to the Launchpad processes
[13:13] <Hobbsee> bluekuja: currently, you would have to only upload to ppa what you're happy to go to the ubuntu archive.  or use 2 keys.
[13:13] <bluekuja> Fujitsu, yep, in fact anyone can get the package and push it into the archive
[13:13] <Fujitsu> bluekuja: Correct, but most people hopefully don't know that.
[13:13] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, using 2 keys won't solve the issue
[13:13] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, as far as PPA uses the same key to upload to the archive
[13:13] <Fujitsu> bluekuja: Right, you'd need to use a separate LP account.
[13:13] <Hobbsee> bluekuja: oh, you'd also need 2 LP accounts.
[13:14] <Hobbsee> gotcha.
[13:14] <bluekuja> Fujitsu, exactly
[13:14]  * Hobbsee only uploads to ppa as a testing ground, on that basis.
[13:14] <Hobbsee> not worth having people compromise my reputation for uploading sane stuff, when sending random crack that was supposed to go to the ppa into the main archive.
[13:14] <bluekuja> it would be nice to have a division between PPA keys and Archive keys
[13:14] <Fujitsu> bluekuja: Setting key permissions, right.
[13:14] <bluekuja> like two different keyrings
[13:15] <Hobbsee> actually...
[13:15] <Hobbsee> we can check if it's fixed or not
[13:15] <bluekuja> it would fix the issue definitely
[13:15] <TABASCO> Fujitsu: And here https://code.launchpad.net/geograph/ I am only able to register a new branch
[13:15] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, yep^^
[13:15] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: True.
[13:15] <Fujitsu> TABASCO: You probably want to bug mwhudson about it, but he is gone
[13:16] <TABASCO> Fujitsu: Yes.. well I will ask him later. It is not that important, now.
[13:16] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: bluekuja no, it's not fixed.
[13:16] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, damn :/
[13:16] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Terrific.
[13:16]  * Fujitsu uploads crack to main.
[13:16] <bluekuja> lol
[13:16]  * Hobbsee beats Fujitsu
[13:16] <TABASCO> Do you know how to edit the timeline? Because at the moment he only shows me "trunk Current developement focus"
[13:17] <Fujitsu> TABASCO: You need to add further release series.
[13:17]  * Fujitsu is beaten.
[13:17] <bluekuja> Fujitsu, Hobbsee: we are lucky that not a lot of ppl know that
[13:17] <TABASCO> ..er.. what?
[13:17]  * Hobbsee hopes no one feels vindictive and uploads that k3b to main.
[13:17] <Hobbsee> bluekuja: yeah well.  it cant be that long before someone else figures it out
[13:17] <bluekuja> yep....true
[13:18] <TABASCO> I think I stay with this status now - I will come back later :)
[13:20]  * Hobbsee would assume it just gets fixed with a small amount of sed'ery
[13:20] <Hobbsee> odd, gpg doesnt seem to have a way to *unsign* things.
[13:21] <kiko-phone> chx, you can file tickets, yes -- see /topic
[13:21] <kiko-phone> did someone else ask me something?
[13:21] <kiko-phone> Hobbsee, you mean stripping signatures?
[13:21] <Hobbsee> kiko: yes
[13:22] <Fujitsu> Hey kiko.
[13:23] <kiko> hey Fujitsu 
[13:23] <jamesh> hi kiko
[13:23] <Hobbsee> kiko: tbh, i dont understand why it's been fixed yet.  it's been filed for at least a couple of weeks :\
[13:24] <Hobbsee> (and has an easy solution)
[13:24] <kiko> Hobbsee, what are you talking about?
[13:24] <kiko> jamesh!
[13:24] <jamesh> we've finally gotten rid of John Howard
[13:24] <Hobbsee> kiko: ah, you don't know the ppa security bug?
[13:24] <kiko> well that took some time
[13:24] <Hobbsee> jamesh: ROCK ON!
[13:24] <Fujitsu> jamesh: Yep
[13:25] <kiko> Hobbsee, it's not a true security bug. it's only mailed out to the uploader himself.
[13:25] <Fujitsu> I liked Costello's speech.
[13:25] <Hobbsee> kiko: incorrect.  it's actually on https://edge.launchpad.net/~hobbsee/+archive too
[13:25] <kiko> Hobbsee, that will be fixed with the rollout.
[13:25] <Hobbsee> kiko: see the "changes" section of each of those
[13:25] <Fujitsu> Every second word was `er'
[13:25] <kiko> yes.
[13:25] <Hobbsee> ah, good.
[13:26] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: did you know that we get people pretending to be others, in ubuntu?  (on revu, in particular?)
[13:27] <kiko> it's kind of a pity that this needed to be done, but it's kinda hard to solve the problem the right way.
[13:27] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: I've seen a couple of instances of it, yes.
[13:27] <Fujitsu> Using odd names in changelogs and the like.
[13:28] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: not even that.  changed nothing, just resigned and uploaded
[13:28] <Fujitsu> Oh, even better.
[13:28] <Hobbsee> wouldn't have caught it, except that they uploaded an i386.changes...
[13:28] <Hobbsee> well, i'm assuming they changed nothing.
[13:28] <Hobbsee> changelog was the same
[13:30] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: made bluekuja get an unfortunate roasting, before i thought to check the sig, anyway.  poor bluekuja 
[13:30]  * Fujitsu remembers that.
[13:31] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, lol, are you talking about that REVU issue?
[13:31] <Hobbsee> bluekuja: yeah
[13:32] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, that guy was simply crazy....he just took my package from the archive, resigned and uploaded with binaries as well :/
[13:32] <Hobbsee> bluekuja: has he attempted any other crack?
[13:32] <Fujitsu> Did you get a chance to roast said other guy?
[13:33] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i didn't, actually.
[13:33] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, actually he said "I'm really really sorry" and he promised to talk with you
[13:33] <bluekuja> as far as you pinged me about that on -motu
[13:33]  * Hobbsee tries to remember
[13:33] <mwhudson> TABASCO: oh, it's because the branch has a subscriber
[13:34] <bluekuja> Fujitsu, yes, I was a bit angry with him
[13:34] <mwhudson> TABASCO: unusually for launchpad, this is actually explained in the help tab
[13:34] <bluekuja> Fujitsu, and he was keeping hiding
[13:34] <bluekuja> without talking to me
[13:34] <bluekuja> e.g not answering to pms and so on
[13:35] <Fujitsu> mwhudson: Ah, never thought to look there, sorry.
[13:35] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, did he talk with you?
[13:35] <Hobbsee> bluekuja: not to my knowledge. but without a nick, i may well have forgotten.
[13:36] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, ember was the nick, I guess
[13:36]  * Hobbsee gets lots of random people poking her about random things that she doesn't know about, where tehy expect her to
[13:36] <Hobbsee> nope.  no backlog of it
[13:36] <bluekuja> damn him then
[13:36]  * Hobbsee wonders if LP has the capability of blacklisting a person from a certain team
[13:37] <Hobbsee> bluekuja: well, i'll just blast him for the next piece of crack he does.  *shrug*
[13:37] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, agreed
[13:37] <Hobbsee> speaking of which...
[13:37]  * Hobbsee looks at revu, to see who's next uploaded crack
[13:38] <TABASCO> So thank you for your help - see you later 
[13:38]  * Hobbsee hopes revu has zsh.
[13:38]  * Fujitsu ponders going to bed.
[13:38] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, lol
[13:38] <cprov-away> Hobbsee: it is kind of  problem right now, but it won't be within 12 hours (LP 1.1.11 goes out).
[13:39] <Hobbsee> dealt with busybox.  removed.  ooh, another one to blast.
[13:39] <Hobbsee> Changed-By: LI Daobing <lidaobing@gmail.com>
[13:39] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, which package?
[13:39] <Hobbsee> right, who's up for @larting, for not reading any of the documentation.
[13:39] <Hobbsee>  yac163 (0.3.0-1) unstable; urgency=low
[13:40] <Hobbsee> cprov-lunch: great, thanks :)
[13:41] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, true, just check the key and archive that
[13:42] <cprov-lunch> Hobbsee: you are welcome. Btw, we have to talk at some point during the weekend to sort some didactic material I have for the next PPA 101/classroom. I will email you, no worries. KTHXBYE.
[13:43] <Hobbsee> cprov-lunch: great.  looking forward to it!
[13:43] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: any idea why we're losing source.changes file off revu, but keepign the other files?
[13:43] <Hobbsee> it's not in rejected either
[13:43] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Maybe somebody has already cleared rejected?
[13:44] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: it'd be odd that they dont clear hte rest of the source, though
[13:44] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Right, but you never know.
[13:44]  * Fujitsu checks the code.
[13:44] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: true dat.
[13:45] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: I don't see how it could delete the .changes.
[13:45] <Hobbsee> Changed-By: Maksim Surkiz <m.surkiz@gmail.com>
[13:45] <Fujitsu> Maybe the uploader just didn't upload the .changes.
[13:46] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: it doesn't, it's manual removal
[13:46] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yeah, but how would it *get* there?
[13:46] <Hobbsee> oh, i guess if you used manual ftp or something
[13:46] <Fujitsu> Right. Or killed the dput.
[13:46] <Hobbsee> dput will barf, iirc.
[13:46] <Hobbsee> true, true
[13:47] <Hobbsee> id' not thought of that
[13:47]  * Hobbsee smashes something.  don't move my options, launchpad!
[13:50]  * Hobbsee pokes revu furtively.  please don't fall over.
[14:12] <frenchy> Hi All, if I've uploaded a version of my app to my PPA for hardy and now I want to upload one for gutsy, is there some way I can do this?  I keep getting rejected even though I'm using the same orig.tar.gz.
[14:12] <Fujitsu> frenchy: The same .orig.tar.gz shouldn't be uploaded more than once; try building without -sa.
[14:13] <frenchy> Fujitsu: Thanks for the answer.  But will my PPA allow unsigned code?
[14:14] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: same version number for hardy & gutsy problem.
[14:14] <Hobbsee> frenchy: no.
[14:14] <Fujitsu> frenchy: Wait, what is the exact error?
[14:15] <frenchy> Ok, I got a different error message this time,
[14:15] <frenchy> Rejected:
[14:15] <frenchy> Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution.
[14:15] <frenchy> Not permitted to upload to the RELEASE pocket in a series in the 'CURRENT' state.
[14:15] <Fujitsu> frenchy: Don't upload to upload.ubuntu.com
[14:15] <Fujitsu> Make sure you're using the correct dput target.
[14:16] <frenchy> Shit!!!
[14:16] <frenchy> Sorry!
[14:16] <frenchy> Might set ppa as the default ... I'm such a dumbass.
[14:17] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i wonder how hard it would be to change those mails to be clearer.  i wonder where they're set.
[14:17] <PriceChild> Hey, a week or so ago I requested my ppa be cleared so I could upload new orig.tar.gzs etc. It was half done immediately, then I was informed I'd have to wait for a daily cron at 03:00... It didn't happen and no-one is answering my question - https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/17826 Any chance someone could help? Pricey
[14:18] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Deep in Soyuz's guts, I presume.
[14:18] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i wonder if mrevell would fix it, if given some words..
[14:19] <Fujitsu> cprov-lunch: ^^ (PriceChild's removals)
[14:19] <PriceChild> Thanks Fujitsu.
[14:21] <frenchy> Ok ... after that little faux pas we're back to  ....
[14:21] <frenchy> Rejected:
[14:21] <frenchy> MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive
[14:22] <Fujitsu> frenchy: To which file does it refer?
[14:22] <frenchy> Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
[14:23] <Fujitsu> frenchy: Before that md5sum line it should mention the .orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz or .dsc.
[14:23] <frenchy>  e5c414770d11bcf2c3a7cf58eed7f01c 795 graphics optional me-tv_0.4.5-0ubuntu1.dsc
[14:23] <frenchy>  484b401d6f757313249476ab1fa5cddb 498497 graphics optional me-tv_0.4.5.orig.tar.gz
[14:23] <frenchy>  3f7e1c12e0d93f58c4b4fb98ff255236 27067 graphics optional me-tv_0.4.5-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[14:23] <Fujitsu> frenchy: What's your Launchpad username?
[14:23] <frenchy> michael-lamothe
[14:24] <Hobbsee> frenchy: this is the same issue as what was on lp-users
[14:24] <Hobbsee> Have you perhaps accidentally changed the .orig.tar.gz file in some
[14:24] <Hobbsee> way? If the md5sum of the .orig.tar.gz of your new upload (seen in the
[14:24] <Hobbsee> .dsc and .changes file) is not the same as for the one already in the
[14:24] <Hobbsee> PPA I think you will get that error.
[14:24] <Fujitsu> frenchy: Right, you need to increment the version number.
[14:24] <Fujitsu> And not build with -sa.
[14:24] <Hobbsee> or at least, i think it is
[14:24] <Fujitsu> Soyuz should really give version-ratchet errors before checking MD5sums, but apparently not.
[14:25] <frenchy> Hobbsee: I'm quite sure (but not 100%) that it is the same file based on the email you sent.
[14:26] <frenchy> Because I started storing it.
[14:26] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i've missed the part of whyyou're saying to increment the build #, but nto to build with -sa
[14:26] <Hobbsee> in particular, the latter half
[14:26] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 already exists in the PPA.
[14:27] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ah.
[14:27] <Fujitsu> It should be -0ubuntu2 (although it should probably have a ~ppa1 or sso attached), and needs to not have the .orig.tar.gz attached.
[14:27] <Hobbsee> yup, i see.
[14:27] <Hobbsee> this is what you get for not checking the LP page before speaking.
[14:27] <frenchy> Fujitsu: I was hoping not to have to increment the version number because the orig.tar.gz hasn't changed.  Or do you just mean the package version 0ubuntu2/
[14:28] <Fujitsu> The next would be 0.4.5-0ubuntu2, 0.4.5-0ubuntu3, etc.
[14:28] <frenchy> Sorry, just read that.
[14:29] <stdin> you can also just add ~gutsy1 to the end to get it to build for another release
[14:29] <Fujitsu> If that is this use case, that would probably be a better idea.
[14:29] <Hobbsee> stdin: not with the current version # in there.  0ubuntu1~gutsy1 will be lower than what's already there
[14:30] <stdin> Hobbsee: doesn't matter as long as it's in a different release (afaik)
[14:30] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: IIRC, Soyuz doesn't version-ratchet at all, or at least not between distroseries.
[14:30] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i'm sure that got fixed.  i remember cheering.  between distroseries, correct.
[14:30] <Hobbsee> oh, the starting version was hardy, not gutsy.  gotcha.  <sigh, check the page next time>
[14:31] <frenchy> yep
[14:32] <frenchy> I'm also on #ubuntu-motu doing my best cheerleader dance.
[14:33] <frenchy> Trying to get it into Hardy that is ... hence the tangled mess I'm in.
[14:33] <Hobbsee> heya mrevell!
[14:34] <mrevell> hey Hobbsee :) How's Australia under Paul Rudd?
[14:34] <Fujitsu> mrevell: Keven Rudd?
[14:34] <Fujitsu> *Kevin
[14:34] <gmb> That would be Kevin...
[14:34] <Fujitsu> Bah.
[14:34] <mrevell> Damn you all :)
[14:34]  * Hobbsee idly wonders when we finally get remove
[14:34] <frenchy> Thank god he wasn't here when I was uploading to Ubuntu.  He'd kick my ass.
[14:34] <Hobbsee> mrevell: he made a nice speech, so far.  *shrug*
[14:34]  * Hobbsee did her good voting duty
[14:35] <Fujitsu> Costello's speech was mostly `er's, though Howard's was admirable.
[14:35] <Hobbsee> mrevell: looking forward to being rid of workchoices, and other IR crap.
[14:35] <mrevell> Yeah, I watched Howards' speech. Seemed like a good way to gout.
[14:35] <mrevell> s/gout/go out
[14:35] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Oh, but now we're ruled by Evil Union Bosses®
[14:35] <mrevell> Hobbsee: workchoices? IR crap?
[14:36] <Hobbsee> mrevell: some highly unpopular stuff that howard shoved in over a year ago.
[14:36] <Fujitsu> mrevell: See Wikipedia's WorkChoices article.
[14:36] <mrevell> I'll take a look, at some point :)
[14:36] <Fujitsu> The most evil and thorough industrial relations reforms in a long time.
[14:39] <frenchy> Fujitsu: So I still don't get why no -sa.  Won't LP reject?
[14:39] <Fujitsu> frenchy: The .orig.tar.gz is only permitted to be uploaded once.
[14:39] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: erm.
[14:40] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: it's permitted to upload again, as long as the new tarball has the same md5sum as the previous, iirc.
[14:40] <Hobbsee> unless it's changed recently -  i always used to use -sa
[14:41] <Hobbsee> frenchy: it's basically because you don't want to upload big packages more than you have to.  and if it's already in the ppa, with the correct sum, it'll just use that.
[14:41] <stdin> The ^same .orig.tar.gz is only permitted to be uploaded once.   :)
[14:41] <frenchy> I'll MD5 it and checkk ... Oh stuff that, I'll just download it.
[14:41] <frenchy> That'll sort it out.
[14:42] <Hobbsee> frenchy: it doesnt matter for little stuff...but if you're uploading a 100mb tarball, you *don't* want to upload that more times than you have to.
[14:43] <Hobbsee> especially if you're australian
[14:43] <frenchy> Hobbsee: Fujitsu: But what's that got to do with -sa?  I'm confused.  -sa just signs right?
[14:43] <frenchy> Checking ...
[14:44] <Fujitsu> frenchy: No, -sa is `source all' or so.
[14:44] <stdin> debuild always signs
[14:44] <Fujitsu> stdin: Unless you -us -uc
[14:44] <Hobbsee> no, -sa is not signing, neither is -S.  contrary to what people on crack tell you.
[14:44] <frenchy> Sorry .... my bad.
[14:44] <stdin> Fujitsu: was just about to say "* by default" 
[14:45]  * Hobbsee wonders if she's going to get to do another "REVERT CRACK" commit message on the lp docs.
[14:53] <frenchy> Woo hoo accepted ... thanks lots.  The only issue is that hardy and gutsy have different revision numbers.  Is there a better way to do what I've done so this doesn't happen?  I've read that AutoPPA might be what I'm looking for.
[14:58] <frenchy> Hobbsee:  why don't I want to upload large files if I'm Australian?  Is that 'cause of the awesome, super-quick, you-beaut broadband infrastructure we've got here in Australia?
[14:58] <Hobbsee> frenchy: 'xactly.
[16:40] <welterde> hi
[19:46] <tristanb> Hi guys
[19:46] <tristanb> how long should it take between requesting to download translations and being sent an e-mail?
[19:53] <LaserJock> tristanb: hmm, any time I've requested one it's been pretty quick
[19:56] <tristanb> LaserJock: Okay, I'll try requesting it again in case the first one got lost or something. 
[19:56] <tristanb> (I don't understand why I have to request it rather than just clicking on a download link, but...)
[19:59] <LaserJock> cause it has to make it I guess
[19:59] <LaserJock> it builds a tarball
[20:00] <LaserJock> but yeah, I thought that was kinda wierd at first too
[22:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[22:01] <LaserJock> hi mpt!
[22:02] <LaserJock> oh, I have a possible UI bug for you
[22:04] <LaserJock> mpt: I'm having problems with the +nominations page with my laptop
[22:05] <LaserJock> mpt: it's only 1024x768 and the "Accept" "Deny" "No Change" radio buttons end up in two rows
[22:05] <LaserJock> and I have a hard time figuring out what goes with what
[22:08]  * Fujitsu always thought that interface was a bit iffy.
[22:08] <mpt> LaserJock, this is probably a page I don't have access to, so I'll need a screenshot :-)
[22:09] <mpt> LongPointyStick, did you report a bug (or find a bug report) about making the soyuz rejection message clearer?
[22:09] <Fujitsu> mpt: She was talking to mrevell and co. about it, but I'm not sure what exactly came of it.
[22:24] <mpt> LaserJock?
[22:46] <LaserJock> mpt: sorry was afk
[22:58] <StevenHarperUK> How long does a translation po take to get processed? Mine has been queued for ages https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/easycrypt/trunk/+imports
[23:32] <LaserJock> mpt_: http://laserjock.us/files/LP_nomination_bug.png