[06:33] <gdi2k> Greetings. I recently set up an Internet Cafe powered by Ubuntu in the Philippines. If you want to feature it or make a case study or anything, I'd be happy to give you details. I've posted an outline on the forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=621320 
[18:58] <somerville32> Hey
[18:58] <somerville32> Anyone really well versed with Ubuntu trademark policy?
[20:00] <somerville32> Burgundavia, ping
[20:41] <Burgundavia> somerville32: pong
[20:42] <somerville32> Have you read http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2007/11/mpaa_university_toolkit_opens_1.html?nav=rss_blog ?
[20:44] <Burgundavia> somerville32: can't happen in Canada, due to our privacy laws
[20:44] <somerville32> It is using Xubuntu
[20:44] <somerville32> And I'm wondering if it violates Trademark policy
[20:44] <Burgundavia> oh, very cool
[20:45] <Burgundavia> no, they are using Xubuntu, not distributing it
[20:45] <Burgundavia> oh, wait, seems I actually need to read this article
[20:47] <somerville32> This are distributing it under a different name but they didn't change the logo and stuff
[20:47] <somerville32> If I booted it, I might mistake it for Xubuntu
[20:49] <desertc> Interesting stuff.
[20:49] <Burgundavia> somerville32: email trademarks@ubuntu.com
[20:55] <Burgundavia> somerville32: however, they are violating the GPL by not distributing source
[20:56] <Burgundavia> somerville32: are you not copyright holder for some of the Xubuntu docs?
[20:56] <Burgundavia> sue them
[20:56] <somerville32> It costs a half a million dollars to even start a IP case
[20:56] <Burgundavia> SFLC will probably help you
[20:56] <Burgundavia> as will EFF
[20:56] <Burgundavia> I am actually fairly serious
[20:57] <somerville32> Unless they modified it, I doubt they're is a case
[20:57] <somerville32> *there
[20:57] <Burgundavia> don't need to be modified
[20:57] <Burgundavia> just need to distribute
[20:57] <Burgundavia> mepis got in trouble for this a while back
[20:57] <somerville32> I'm pretty sure that Canonical has offered their archive to allow for remixes like this
[20:58] <Burgundavia> http://www.mepis.org/node/10725
[20:58] <Burgundavia> somerville32: they might have, but they don't link to it
[20:58] <somerville32> I can't imagine I'm the only one who could sue then
[20:59] <Burgundavia> yep
[20:59] <somerville32> Lots of people from Debian and Ubuntu and everywhere else
[20:59] <somerville32> but I'd have to prove I had incurred a loss
[20:59] <somerville32> Which I have not
[20:59] <Burgundavia> no you don't
[21:00] <Burgundavia> but the MPAA is currently violating the license, even in Canonical allows their archive to be used
[21:01] <Burgundavia> http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS9113053102.html
[21:02] <Burgundavia> licenses, rather
[21:09] <Burgundavia> somerville32: this isn't the first time these scumbags have violated one of our licenses
[21:17] <magnetron> so what's the news on the MPAA xubuntu derivate?
[21:17] <desertc> Funny how they are so reluctant to read license restrictions when they make their money on people violating license their own licenses.
[21:17] <desertc> Is that irony?
[21:18] <somerville32> It is
[21:18] <somerville32> lol
[21:18] <magnetron> the thing is they'll get away with it unless someone files charges
[21:18] <somerville32> I see this as an awesome opportunity to promote an Xubuntu agenda.
[21:19] <magnetron> the open source community suing MPAA on copyright infringement, now THAT is irony
[21:20] <somerville32> The MPAA paid someone to do work on Xubuntu and I think we should see if we can harness that
[21:20]  * beuno thinks writing up a nice story and pushing it to digg/slashdot is a good start  :D
[21:20] <somerville32> (paid a company)
[21:21] <magnetron> i someone would take legal action, who would that be?
[21:21] <somerville32> First Canonical for trademark violation
[21:22] <somerville32> Than FSF for violation of licensing terms
[21:22] <somerville32> but I hope instead of going through the courts, they work with the MPAA
[21:22] <magnetron> why?
[21:23] <somerville32> Promoting OSS is more important sueing the big bad MPAA
[21:24] <somerville32> It isn't like they're trying to sell this or anything - they just aren't conforming to a few minor technicalities
[21:24] <Burgundavia> magnetron: anybody who has copyright can sue anybody who breaks the license
[21:25] <magnetron> could suing MPAA make a negative impact on the perception of OSS?
[21:25] <desertc> Sorry to butt in, but is it clear they are refusing to release the source code?  Maybe they are doing so on their website, or by mail, or on the CDROM
[21:25] <somerville32> desertc, The website is pretty blank
[21:25] <somerville32> And I agree, lets not jump the gun
[21:25] <somerville32> We could work with the MPAA here
[21:25] <somerville32> Piracy _is_ against the law as much as we would love for it not to be sometime :P
[21:26] <magnetron> somerville32: also, take into account what was the purpose of the kit - to spy on and shut down filesharers
[21:26] <magnetron> also, they could be sharing ubuntu cds
[21:26] <somerville32> magnetron, hmm?
[21:28] <magnetron> somerville32: a university student could, with this kit, loose his internet connection due to the fact that he was distributing ubuntu via bittorrent
[21:28] <somerville32> No no.
[21:28] <magnetron> anyone know any universities that got this letter?
[21:29] <somerville32> They could not lose their internet connection because they were using bittorrent
[21:29] <somerville32> This thing is just a remix of Xubuntu with monitoring tools
[21:30] <magnetron> somerville32: and it lists the most heavy users of file sharing
[21:30] <somerville32> File sharing isn't illegal
[21:30] <magnetron> somerville32: this tool lists them anyway
[21:31] <somerville32> Right and the university has a right to that information
[21:31] <Stormx2> Could someone fill me in on whats happening?
[21:31] <Stormx2> What are the MPAA violating?
[21:31] <somerville32> I would say Trademark
[21:32] <Stormx2> Where?
[21:32] <Stormx2> Lemme see
[21:32] <somerville32> http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2007/11/mpaa_university_toolkit_opens_1.html?nav=rss_blog
[21:33] <magnetron> somerville32: guess how it will be used? Uni admin: "the internet is slow" - "let's check the piracy monitor" - "those 10 are the worst, shut them down"
[21:33] <somerville32> lol
[21:33] <somerville32> No, it won't work like that
[21:34] <somerville32> And it isn't a piracy monitor :P
[21:34] <magnetron> somerville32: that's how it is percieved
[21:34] <somerville32> To you.
[21:35] <magnetron> somerville32: check http://universitytoolkit.org/MPAA%20University%20Toolkit%20Overview.pdf page 2, the marketing material send to the universities
[21:35] <somerville32> One sec.
[21:36] <somerville32> Btw, if the network is slow and there is someone congesting it
[21:36] <somerville32> Why _not_ kill them?
[21:36] <somerville32> Hmm...
[21:36] <somerville32> That didn't quite come out right
[21:36] <magnetron> somerville32: because they are legitimate users, sharing ubuntu (or even xubuntu)
[21:37] <somerville32> Congesting the network for any reason doesn't seem legit to me
[21:37] <somerville32> And the thing tells them what they're transferring
[21:37] <magnetron> somerville32: stop chatting! you are congesting my network!
[21:37]  * somerville32 stops chatting.
[21:37] <magnetron> somerville32:                                                             The program cannot distinguish
[21:37] <magnetron> between legal and illegal activity and does not identify the titles of the files being passed
[21:37] <magnetron> across the network.
[21:38] <somerville32> It identifies the type
[21:38] <magnetron> somerville32: that was from http://universitytoolkit.org/
[21:38] <magnetron> somerville32: "bittorrent" is just not enough info
[21:38] <somerville32> And besides, people aren't going to just disable people because they're using P2P software
[21:39] <somerville32> magnetron, It doesn't say just "bittorrent"
[21:39] <somerville32> It tells them the file type (ie. real video, windows media format, etc.)
[21:39] <magnetron> somerville32: it doesn't say "ubuntu cd iso" either
[21:40] <somerville32> magnetron, What is your point?
[21:40] <somerville32> If they wanted to block torrent, they'd just do so
[21:40] <somerville32> They aren't going to wait and see who uses it before blocking people individually
[21:42] <magnetron> somerville32: my point is that this monitoring kit, based on xubuntu, can get ppl blocked from the net for sharing xubuntu. and mpaa violates the licences and trademark restrictions while doing it
[21:42] <somerville32> Should we remove the tools in this remastered distro from our archives too then?
[21:44] <magnetron> somerville32: as long the users follow the license, no. but if they violate the license, they have no longer any right to use it.
[21:44] <magnetron> plain gpl