[01:41] <osmosis> can anyone tell me how to disable the udev feature that renames my eth devices when the mac changes?
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> osmosis, i dont think you can. you can just remove the record of macs
[02:09] <osmosis> Kamping_Kaiser: yah, thats what everyone else has been saying too.
[09:18] <c1|freaky> does someone know of a web addressbook?
[13:46] <Jaac> Hmm, could i install webmin and ispconfig at the same time?
[13:46] <Jaac> Does it work together?
[13:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont use webmin on an ubuntu system
[13:47] <Jaac> Ok good info? Do you perhaps know why?
[13:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> !webmin
[13:47] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system
[13:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> i thought the bot had a link :(
[13:48] <Jaac> Well the text is pretty clear, though webmin, for me, as starting linux user is an easy way of administrating the server
[13:48] <Jaac> ISPconfig si good, but it just doesnt cover everything i want to administter
[13:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont know anything about ispconfig, sorry
[13:49] <Jaac> Ok nps, thanks for your help though :)
[13:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> next ubuntu will include something called ebox. not sure if its in this release
[13:49] <Jaac> Ok
[13:55] <Jaac> Maybe a stupid question, but is there a GUI that runs through putty as in ssh?
[13:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> anything that can be forwarded over SSH
[13:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> ssh server needs x11 forwarding enabled, the client needs to request it, and the app has to be happy to run over it
[13:58] <Jaac> Hmm, so any GUI, like KDE and GNome works? or is there on specific one that works over ssh?
[13:58] <Jaac> I mean though, do they work directly, or do they need another app, like vnc to be adminsterred remotely
[13:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> you would forward individual applications, not the whole UI
[13:58] <Jaac> ah k
[13:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> whole UI you'd use soem sort of VNC
[14:12] <Jaac> Did you use AWstats for site statistics sometime? All went well, exept the generating of stats, even after running the cron job myself...
[14:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> no i havent.
[14:13] <Jaac> Ok, fast R/T there though :)
[14:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[16:05] <ScottK> Jaac: You might look into ebox.  I've not used it, but I know it's planned for Hardy as the webmin like (but works) way of administering an Ubuntu server.
[16:06] <dthacker> webmin is evil
[16:08] <ScottK> dthacker: We've established that.
[16:17] <svschwartz> hi all
[16:18] <svschwartz> anybody know tools for creating drive images ?
[16:22] <nealmcb> sommer: which version is http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/index.html   and is the gutsy server guide up?  I don't see it in https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/ ?   ahh - you have to look in "Advanced Topics" - seems unfortunate
[17:46] <Jaac> Thanks ScottK, i looked into it this afternoon, but im not yet sure if its stable enough to use on 7.10 gutsy, but ill surely look again, it seems as the best alternative at the moment.
[17:47] <ScottK> That's the conclusion soren came to when he looked in at the alternatives.
[17:47] <ScottK> The only reason it's not in Gutsy was lack of time to get it packaged.
[17:47] <Jaac> Hmmm, i shoudl take a look into the default repository's then :)
[17:48]  * ScottK knows nothing about it specifically, just that it's the one Ubuntu intends to package.
[17:48] <ScottK> My preferred server management tool is vim.
[17:49] <Jaac> Hehe, good though, but im just not familiar enough with finding all the conf and log files
[17:55] <ScottK> Something like ebox is fine, IMO, for getting started, but you should set yourself a goal of understanding things well enough not to need it even if you choose to use it.
[18:18] <bardyr> Hey, does the ubuntu 7.10 server support VIA x86 cpu's ?
[18:20] <bardyr> and what is the difference between Jeos and the server edition?, my target machine is a 200mhz, 128mb ram box so what would be best?
[18:22] <nealmcb> ScottK: yeah - I wonder if ebox could tell you what it has done, or preserve diffs somewhere or even use source control on /etc....
[18:23] <nealmcb> bardyr: jeos is not for real hardware - just for virtual machines - stripped-down kernel
[18:24] <bardyr> nealmcb, so there is only support for the virtual hardware that VMware, Virtualbox, etc uses?
[18:24] <nealmcb> bardyr: yeah - just drivers for the basics
[18:25] <bardyr> thats smart
[18:27] <bardyr> did the 7.10 server support VIA x86 CPU's i have tried with the 7.04 server edition but it complains about there is not a matching kernel
[20:38] <eghjaytee> does anyone in here have any insight with using GFS with ubuntu server 6.06?