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=== LaserJock is now known as LaserRock
loguser1my storage partitions just disappear... some times 2 ntfs drives. some times all.... why. iam using dolphin , k 7.10 ?12:26
loguser1my storage partitions just disappear... some times 2 ntfs drives. some times all.... why. iam using dolphin , k 7.10 ?12:31
loguser1_ how to unmount and mount again , a partition ?13:20
loguser1_what is the partition editor utility for kubuntu. as gparted is for ubuntu ?13:21
loguser1i cant access ntfs partitions since upgrade to 7.10 . any help?13:55
=== paulj1 is now known as pauljw
mhzhighvoltage: rebel without a pause...ping!17:10
highvoltagemhz: pong!17:13
mhzhey ya!!17:13
highvoltageyo!17:14
mhzloooong time no see ya17:14
highvoltageya, what up dog?17:14
mhzwe had a little Ubuntu-Cl meeting yestarday. Pedro Villavicencio, Miguel Ruiz  were also present17:14
mhzand we wathced some photos of ogra and many of the ubuntu gang people17:15
mhzhighvoltage: and then I realized that many of the ubuntu-cl only post in spanish, spanish blogs, etc.17:16
mhzso, I was wondering..."rebel without a puse" should know about this:17:17
highvoltage:)17:17
mhzIf I have a moin + rss instance, can this be "called by" ubuntu planet ?17:17
mhzplanet ubuntu17:17
highvoltageyes, it can17:17
highvoltagethe catch is that planet ubuntu is english only17:18
mhzexactly17:18
highvoltagebut I think there's a spanish planet ubuntu too17:18
mhzmy wiki pages are usually in english17:18
highvoltageah, there's a chile planet17:18
highvoltageyes , you could probably link planet to your rss feed on the wiki17:19
highvoltagenot sure what moin-moin gives17:19
mhzyeah, the thing is this: ubuntu-cl post about anything in spanish. No chilean is telling what we are doing here (many things, many stuff with education, etc). So, What if I posted on my "wiki blog"?17:19
highvoltagebut planet can indeed use pretty much any rss feed you give it17:19
highvoltagemhz: I think that should be fine.17:19
mhzgreat!17:20
highvoltagemhz: some people even wrote their own blogging software, the tools you use to generate the rss isn't so important17:20
mhzAlso, I am on the middle of a "wiki training". I mean, I am designing one17:20
highvoltagemhz: you should just make sure that you're the only one who can edit your blog page, otherwise others might abuse it.17:20
mhzdo we have anything about it already done?  /me does not want to invent the wheel17:21
mhzhighvoltage: ACL rules all:read ;)17:21
highvoltage:)17:22
mhzhighvoltage: how's things going on the tuxlabs?17:22
highvoltagemhz: on planet ubuntu, there are instructions for how to add your blog on the side panel, I think you should just have to follow that17:22
highvoltagemhz: tuxlabs are good, I'm not with them anymore though17:22
mhzare you also putting your hands on OLPC or other initiatives alike?17:22
highvoltagemhz: doing government installations now, not as much fun!17:22
mhzno?17:22
mhzbooh17:23
mhzthat happens when you are a good boy! Governments always wanna catch you!17:23
highvoltagemhz: I'd like to get involved with OLPC at some point, but right now I'm smothered in work, so it will have to wait a it17:23
highvoltagemhz: well, I don't work for the government itself, I work for one of the service providers17:23
highvoltageI don't think I'd do well in government itself, too much rules and beurocracy!17:24
mhza couple of weeks before, I got a very interesting URL about a motherboard with processor included, for about $50 us dollars17:24
mhzhighvoltage: of course, you are not the gov. type, you are a rebel17:24
highvoltageyeah!17:25
mhzre the motherboard/ you only had to add RAM and a nice box.17:25
highvoltagemhz: wow, do you have a link for that?17:25
mhzyup, gimme a sec17:25
mhzin the meantime, this is the training I am designing (based on many Moin useful tips). I will have to add more contents, of course. I'd appreciate if people let me know what they'd like to know about so that I can include it.17:27
mhzhttp://wiki.ubuntu-cl.org/MauricioHernandez/MoinTraining17:27
mhzand it is intended to be displayed with the action "SingleSlideShow"17:27
mhzthe one we still do not have implemented on ubuntu wikis :(17:27
highvoltagejust a sec.. brb17:28
* highvoltage looks at link17:31
highvoltagemhz: nice, who's getting the training, ubuntu-cl?17:32
highvoltageor is it more generic?17:32
mhzi wanted to do it more generic, but also covering Admin stuff, and a chapter for users who have to create a user, then add themselves to a group in order to get ptivileges to edit.17:33
mhzAnyways, yes, Ubuntu-cl will get trained, also the company I work for (some managers are very impressed with what Moin can do).17:34
highvoltagenice17:34
mhzand, I was thinking that once I give those 2 trainings, I could get ready for a Ubuntu community training on wiki17:34
mhzhighvoltage: in you opinion, how's the edubuntu people dealing with wiki editing/collaborating ?17:35
mhzhighvoltage: re the MB/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5305482907.html17:37
mhzand http://desktoplinux.com/news/NS7114714037.html17:37
mhzand it was $60, sorry17:37
highvoltagemhz: willvdl was going to sort out our wiki stuff, I think he made some progress, but to be honest I think we need someone to pick it up again17:38
highvoltageah yes, the gpc is all the rage.17:38
highvoltagedidn't realise you could buy the board seperately, nice!17:38
mhzhighvoltage: so, you are dealing with all wiki instances on ubuntu?17:39
mhzhighvoltage: yeah! nice MB!17:39
highvoltagepity it has a fan though :-/17:39
mhzwell...it depends17:39
highvoltageI'm not a big fan of the Via Unichrome display chip either17:40
highvoltage(it's drivers on linux is quite flakey atm)17:40
highvoltageotherwise very nice board, would be great on ltspp + local apps17:41
mhzyeah, but the strong point is: "Despite support call costs of just over $30, the TC2502 will be "profitable all through the channel," Kim expects. One key might be using parts not supported by Vista, thus getting away from Microsoft's restrictions on hardware. Like the Everex PC, the gOS Dev Board supports XP, Windows 2000, and Windows CE, but not Vista. "17:41
mhzexactly!, ltsp will rule on that MB17:42
highvoltageyeah.17:45
LaserRockhi mhz17:45
mhzhi LaserRock!17:46
=== LaserRock is now known as LaserJock
mhzyeah, that nick I know17:46
highvoltageheh17:46
highvoltagejust as I was about to shut down, LaserJock Rocks up.17:47
highvoltageLaserJock, we you there?17:47
LaserJockman, I resumed from hibernation this morning and had some weird stuff17:47
mhzhighvoltage: so before you leave, could you please let me know what are/have been the most difficult issues people have been facing on the wiki editing?17:47
LaserJockso I rebooted17:48
LaserJockand on reboot got a bunch of fsck problem17:48
LaserJockran fsck manually and had a ton of problems17:48
highvoltagemhz: I don't think editing itself is suck an issue, more /keeping/ pages updated once their created17:48
highvoltagemhz: and to keep things organised17:48
LaserJockfinally got out of that and my madwifi kernel modules got eaten in the fsck17:48
mhzhighvoltage: true...organizing is a beuatiful wiki science17:49
LaserJockluckily I hadn't cleaned my apt cache and was able to reinstall ubuntu-restricted-modules17:49
highvoltageLaserJock: I could've finished out new edubuntu site/stuff this weekend if I had the right permissions on the server, can only sort that out when the c7l staff are back at work17:49
highvoltage(ie tomorrow)17:49
highvoltageLaserJock: do you think these colors are ok? http://jono.co.za/drupal/17:49
LaserJockhighvoltage: you gotta wait for a Canonical sysadmin?17:49
highvoltageLaserJock: they have to change the permissions on the folders :/17:50
highvoltageLaserJock: afaik only Znarl and elmo has root on that machine17:50
LaserJockhmmpf17:50
LaserJockright17:50
highvoltageLaserJock: when philip updated the site last, the group permissions got reset, and isn't writable by the edubuntu group anymore17:51
LaserJockhighvoltage: only suggest would be to maybe go with more of an orange for the bottom of the gradient17:51
highvoltageLaserJock: ok17:51
LaserJocklike the orange that's in the edubuntu logo17:51
highvoltageah, was just about to ask. ok.17:51
mhzhighvoltage: and whou should I request to implement the SingleSlideShow plugin17:51
LaserJockI think maybe there's a bit too much color change17:51
highvoltagemhz: ask heno, he would know17:51
mhzand hopefully upgrade to a newer Moin version?17:51
LaserJockmhz: new moin on what?17:52
highvoltagemhz: just a warning, moin on the ubuntu servers is ancient17:52
mhzexactly! :d17:52
highvoltagemhz: and their a bit scared to do such a big upgrade17:52
highvoltageLaserJock: wiki.{ed,k,u}buntu.com17:52
mhzoh17:52
LaserJockyeah, the Doc team has been trying to get an upgrade for over a year17:52
mhzLaserJock: and what have been the most relevant arguments against upgrading?17:53
mhzhighvoltage: ohh, one more important detail!17:53
LaserJocksysadmins don't have time and it's a "big job"17:53
highvoltagetheir just afraid the entire thing will melt down.17:53
LaserJockbasically17:53
highvoltagethey should really just test it on a spare machine from backups and see what happens17:53
LaserJockyep17:53
LaserJockit's just gonna take a big push for time17:53
mhzhighvoltage: I am trying to convince some of the ubuntu-cl pals around here to have monthly ubuntu coffee sessions streming live17:53
highvoltagemhz: sounds interesting17:54
LaserJockhighvoltage: that theme is pretty rocking though17:55
LaserJockI'll be excited to get it live17:55
mhzhighvoltage: but, do we have something to "tube" these streamings on ubuntu servers?17:55
highvoltageLaserJock: yep, will probably put it up tomorrow night. will have to fix some things that might not look good anymore, but I've tested the old fridge theme on edubuntu.org and things did fit in at least, so hopefully it won't need too much adjusting17:56
mhzhighvoltage: I like that drupal look, very relaxing in red.17:56
highvoltagemhz: no idea, to be honest. I think canonical is looking for something for the UDS's too17:57
LaserJockhighvoltage: excellent17:57
LaserJockI'm not sure if the Screencasts team has looked at streaming yet or not17:58
highvoltagemhz: what do you want to stream, screencasts or live video?17:58
mhzhmmm, ok, thanks a lot for staying up this late (for you) to tell me about all this17:58
LaserJockI think there's also been some thoughts thrown around of like an Ubuntu Radio17:59
highvoltageit's not that late yet, but I need to switch the computer off about an hour before I go sleep, otherwise I can't :)17:59
mhzboth, live video, and then material to watch it.17:59
mhz"material to be watched" (if my grammar is correct)17:59
mhzLaserJock: but how about using "virtual instances" of Moin. Would that still be terrifyin for Admins to think about migrating?18:01
mhzat least they could test before migrating :)18:01
LaserJockmhz: I have no idea18:02
LaserJockI just know that we've wanted to get wiki.u.c and help.u.c updated for the Doc team for a long time18:02
mhzso, heno would be the one I should ask about it?18:02
LaserJockit's getting closer to being an issue18:03
LaserJockmhz: as far as getting the wiki updated?18:03
mhzLaserJock: I can imagine, that's why I am getting concerned about the "wiki issue"18:03
mhzas far as getting the wiki updated? yup.18:03
LaserJockwell, you might ask the doc team18:04
mhzyou know that Moin devels would always be willing to lend hands18:04
LaserJocksince they're sort of the big users18:04
LaserJockspecifically mdke for getting an idea if it's currently on the sysadmin TODO list18:05
mhzthe good old mdke18:05
LaserJockyep18:07
mhzwell, AFAIK, I still see the good old Edubuntu gang faces18:07
mhzfaces = nicks18:07
LaserJockyeah18:08
LaserJockgood to see you18:08
mhzit is just a pity that I still can't get chilean people to help on Edubuntu. Most of them (almos all) help on Ubuntu things, and usually in spanish only.18:08
mhzI'd like to see more chilean faces on Edubuntu, because after many talks and presentations, I always get "wow! Edubuntu sounds great idea!" but...no more hands working on/with it, at least in Chile18:09
LaserJockyes18:11
LaserJockthat's somewhat common around the world I think18:11
LaserJockas long as people are busy *using* Edubuntu I feel better18:11
LaserJock;-)18:11
mhzhehehehe18:12
mhzyeah, it works as "consolation prize"18:13
mhzWe have a couple of schools using ubuntu and edubuntu now in Chile (about 3 or 5, IRRC) but I see no people form such schools getting their hands helping you guys18:14
mhzAt least, now that I am moving to an apartment where I can have no issues with network, I will finally get back to some of the old stuff I liked to do18:14
LaserJockgreat18:17
bluekujaheya mhz!!!20:37
mhzbluekuja: hey ya!20:37
bluekujamhz, long time no see! where did you go???20:37
mhzto hell and back :D20:37
bluekujalol20:37
bluekujaI was missing you! :)20:37
bluekujaI don't see you around here since months20:38
mhzman, I survided almost 1 year with no internet access20:38
bluekujaor even more than an year20:38
bluekujaaww, that's why! :)20:38
bluekujaI thought you wanted to stop working on edubuntu20:39
bluekujaand you left20:39
mhznot at all20:39
bluekujareaaaaally great to have you back! :)20:40
mhzbut as I had no internet access (still dont, for  at least 15 more days..but I have at work)20:40
mhzI was "forced" to be more active on our Chilean LoCo20:40
mhzso, we've done some very interesting things as a LoCo20:40
mhzbut of course, everything gets poseted in spanish so we never informed to the english channels properly. Now this will change. I will get to keep everyone informed about what we are doing, in english.20:41
mhzbluekuja: how about you?20:41
bluekujamhz, since you left I kept working on Edubuntu in Italy20:44
bluekujaI become a Developer20:44
mhzwow! congrats!20:44
bluekujathanks :)20:44
bluekujado you remember when I was going for the ubuntu membership?20:45
PeterPan_ can any one recomend a good dictionary to install ?20:45
mhzof course20:45
bluekujayou left just before that?20:45
bluekujaor after?20:45
mhzIIRC, "in the middle of it" ;)20:45
mhzor...just when you got it20:46
mhzPeterPan_: dpends on what kind of usage you need the dict for20:46
bluekujamhz, lol, true20:46
bluekujamhz, anyway a LOT of things changed during this period of time20:46
mhztell me, tell me20:47
* mhz wants to catch up20:47
bluekujahehe20:47
bluekujawe have new members in the CC20:47
bluekujawe have a motu-council now20:47
bluekujawe have sponsorship groups both for main and universe20:48
PeterPan_mhz:  maximum vocabulary. if multimedia with videos and sounds and speller would be better20:48
mhzbut now I am limited to possible wiki help...because I have no computer of my own, just his laptop that belongs to the company. And so far, despite I have already convinced at least 7 people working with Ubuntu all day long...my manager still wants me to use M$.20:49
bluekujamhz, awww :/20:49
bluekujamhz, that's not a good news20:49
mhzPeterPan_: then, nope, no idea. I know default Edubuntu dictionary only20:49
bluekujamhz, did you know we have PPA now?20:50
PeterPan_mhz whatas that20:50
mhzbluekuja: but, the good thing is that I still convince people to use ubuntu :) and that I have internet acces at work to help every time I can.20:50
bluekujamhz, https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart20:50
* mhz reading about PPA20:51
bluekujamhz, yes, at least we have you back20:51
mhzoh, great to have independent councils20:51
bluekujamhz, I'm really happy to see you again here, really20:51
mhzoh, and I am even happier to see friendly old faces here20:51
bluekuja:)20:51
bluekujamhz, yes, we have different councils now20:52
mhzand also, lots of new ubuntu memebers20:52
bluekujayep20:52
bluekujathe community is getting bigger and bigger20:52
bluekujareally20:52
mhzPPA great idea...is it getting more people to code?20:53
mhzbut, how about edubuntu specific growth?20:53
bluekujawell, it's helping a lot ppl who dont have a good system to build stuff (plus it allows builds for amd64 and lpia now)20:54
bluekujaand that's a very great thing20:54
mhzdon't misinterpret me, please. I am VERY happy for all this growth and new initiatives. My humble question is: are we getting quality and quantity too?20:54
bluekujayou can test stuff on more than an arch, and that's cool20:55
bluekujamhz, I think yes20:55
mhzPERFECT!20:55
bluekujamhz, anyway Ubuntu is still the best desktop enviroment20:55
bluekujaand I see tons of ppl coming to Ubuntu everyday20:55
mhzyup, very mature too20:55
bluekujachecking italian/international forums20:55
bluekujaplus new contributors20:55
mhzand next LTS version will open new doors20:55
bluekujayep20:56
mhzesp. considering many vista users are so frustrated20:56
bluekujayeah, vista failed20:56
bluekujamiserably20:56
mhzI'd say "perfectly" instead20:56
bluekujalol20:57
bluekujaagredd20:57
bluekuja*agreed20:57
mhzbut that also gives us a biger responsibility20:57
mhzit is a chance we have to be very clever to take20:57
mhzI heard about the 300 motu's project20:57
mhzIs there a "plan" for it?20:57
mhz(i mean, strategically speaking)20:58
bluekujawhat's that? and where did you read about that?20:58
mhzkind of "how to get 300 motus by the end of 2008"20:58
mhzbluekuja: ooops, maybe I shouldn't have heard that20:58
bluekujalol, why?20:59
mhzyesterday, during our first Ubuntu Chile meeting, some of the "to become motu" guys told me something about it20:59
mhzwe need urgently about 300 motus21:00
mhzand there is this idea of "you gotta catch'em all"21:00
mhzbut I never got to ask "how?"21:00
bluekujastrange, never heard about that21:00
mhzmaybe #ubuntu-motu could tell (if interested)21:01
bluekujamhz, ok, I'm going to sleep now...went bed tooo late yesterday (5am)21:01
mhzeeek, that was "early!"21:01
bluekuja:D21:02
mhzbluekuja: it was VERY nice talking to you, at least this bit21:02
bluekujamhz, same for me :)21:02
bluekujayou're still an old good friend21:02
mhzno worries, you'll see me more often, that's a promise21:02
mhzthank you man21:02
mhzsleep well21:03
bluekujaglad to hear that! take care and see you tomorrow21:03
bluekujathanks, cu :)21:03
pusakatis there a pdf version of the edubuntu handbook somewhere? if not, what guidelines do i need to follow to make one?22:35
LaserJockI don't think there is a PDF22:36
LaserJockyou'd have to be able to turn docbook or HTML into PDF22:37
pusakatyeah, was thinking of how to do that with the xml files, but will need to work on it some.22:38
LaserJockwell, there are a few ways to do it I think22:40
pusakatthanks.22:40
LaserJockapache's FOP stuff is one22:40
LaserJockalso docbook -> latex -> PDF (via pdflatex) can be done22:41
* pusakat wants to steer clear of java though, so fop isn't a go.22:42
LaserJockk22:42
pusakati'll prolly try the latex route22:42
LaserJockwell, this is part of why PDFs don't currently exist22:42
LaserJock:-)22:42
LaserJockit's not trivial to do22:43
pusakatunderstood.22:43
pusakati was thinking of doing it the non-automated way first, but it's tedious.22:43
LaserJockbut we really should have one22:43
LaserJockit's a fairly common request22:44
nonsparkerhey is anyone around?23:00
nonsparkerthat can help me with a thin client auto login issue23:01
johnnyusing?23:01
nonsparkergutsy23:01
johnnyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/16179423:02
ubotuLaunchpad bug 161794 in ltsp "autologin doesn't work" [Undecided,Incomplete]23:02
johnnydoes that descripbe your issue?23:02
nonsparkeryeah23:02
johnnymine too23:02
johnnyand it looks like there is a fix now too :)23:02
nonsparkeryeah23:03
johnnythat was easy ... for you :)23:03
johnnyi spent awhile trying to figure it out :)23:03
nonsparkeris the fix in the link you sent me?23:03
johnnyat the bottom23:03
nonsparkerok23:04
nonsparkerI'll take a look23:04
nonsparkerjohnny you rock23:04
johnnyno.. vagrantc does :)23:04
nonsparkerso what did you do? edit the file your self23:05
johnnyhaven't applied it yet23:05
johnnyi just discovered that right now23:06
nonsparkercool23:06
johnnyhopefully it works23:06
johnnyi'll be trying it in the next half hour23:06
nonsparkerI will be trying it soon as well23:06
nonsparkerok johnny it's the moment of truth23:17
nonsparkerI'm not having any luck23:19
nonsparkerjohnny: are you having any luck?23:22
johnnynot there yet23:32
nonsparkerahhh23:32
nonsparkerI don't think it solves the issue23:32
nonsparkerI edited the screen.d/ldm file with the changes23:33
nonsparkerand the resuts were the same black screen with 'x' cursor23:34
johnnydid you rebuild your image?23:35
nonsparkergood idea23:35
nonsparkersorry I'm still new at this23:36
nonsparkerI'm rebuilding now23:36
nonsparkerok i rebuilt my image and it still does not work23:43
johnnycomment on that bug and say you tried it23:46
nonsparkerI did23:48
nonsparkerthanks for the help23:48

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