[12:26] <loguser1> my storage partitions just disappear... some times 2 ntfs drives. some times all.... why. iam using dolphin , k 7.10 ?
[12:31] <loguser1> my storage partitions just disappear... some times 2 ntfs drives. some times all.... why. iam using dolphin , k 7.10 ?
[13:20] <loguser1_>  how to unmount and mount again , a partition ?
[13:21] <loguser1_> what is the partition editor utility for kubuntu. as gparted is for ubuntu ?
[13:55] <loguser1> i cant access ntfs partitions since upgrade to 7.10 . any help?
[17:10] <mhz> highvoltage: rebel without a pause...ping!
[17:13] <highvoltage> mhz: pong!
[17:13] <mhz> hey ya!!
[17:14] <highvoltage> yo!
[17:14] <mhz> loooong time no see ya
[17:14] <highvoltage> ya, what up dog?
[17:14] <mhz> we had a little Ubuntu-Cl meeting yestarday. Pedro Villavicencio, Miguel Ruiz  were also present
[17:15] <mhz> and we wathced some photos of ogra and many of the ubuntu gang people
[17:16] <mhz> highvoltage: and then I realized that many of the ubuntu-cl only post in spanish, spanish blogs, etc.
[17:17] <mhz> so, I was wondering..."rebel without a puse" should know about this:
[17:17] <highvoltage> :)
[17:17] <mhz> If I have a moin + rss instance, can this be "called by" ubuntu planet ?
[17:17] <mhz> planet ubuntu
[17:17] <highvoltage> yes, it can
[17:18] <highvoltage> the catch is that planet ubuntu is english only
[17:18] <mhz> exactly
[17:18] <highvoltage> but I think there's a spanish planet ubuntu too
[17:18] <mhz> my wiki pages are usually in english
[17:18] <highvoltage> ah, there's a chile planet
[17:19] <highvoltage> yes , you could probably link planet to your rss feed on the wiki
[17:19] <highvoltage> not sure what moin-moin gives
[17:19] <mhz> yeah, the thing is this: ubuntu-cl post about anything in spanish. No chilean is telling what we are doing here (many things, many stuff with education, etc). So, What if I posted on my "wiki blog"?
[17:19] <highvoltage> but planet can indeed use pretty much any rss feed you give it
[17:19] <highvoltage> mhz: I think that should be fine.
[17:20] <mhz> great!
[17:20] <highvoltage> mhz: some people even wrote their own blogging software, the tools you use to generate the rss isn't so important
[17:20] <mhz> Also, I am on the middle of a "wiki training". I mean, I am designing one
[17:20] <highvoltage> mhz: you should just make sure that you're the only one who can edit your blog page, otherwise others might abuse it.
[17:21] <mhz> do we have anything about it already done?  /me does not want to invent the wheel
[17:21] <mhz> highvoltage: ACL rules all:read ;)
[17:22] <highvoltage> :)
[17:22] <mhz> highvoltage: how's things going on the tuxlabs?
[17:22] <highvoltage> mhz: on planet ubuntu, there are instructions for how to add your blog on the side panel, I think you should just have to follow that
[17:22] <highvoltage> mhz: tuxlabs are good, I'm not with them anymore though
[17:22] <mhz> are you also putting your hands on OLPC or other initiatives alike?
[17:22] <highvoltage> mhz: doing government installations now, not as much fun!
[17:22] <mhz> no?
[17:23] <mhz> booh
[17:23] <mhz> that happens when you are a good boy! Governments always wanna catch you!
[17:23] <highvoltage> mhz: I'd like to get involved with OLPC at some point, but right now I'm smothered in work, so it will have to wait a it
[17:23] <highvoltage> mhz: well, I don't work for the government itself, I work for one of the service providers
[17:24] <highvoltage> I don't think I'd do well in government itself, too much rules and beurocracy!
[17:24] <mhz> a couple of weeks before, I got a very interesting URL about a motherboard with processor included, for about $50 us dollars
[17:24] <mhz> highvoltage: of course, you are not the gov. type, you are a rebel
[17:25] <highvoltage> yeah!
[17:25] <mhz> re the motherboard/ you only had to add RAM and a nice box.
[17:25] <highvoltage> mhz: wow, do you have a link for that?
[17:25] <mhz> yup, gimme a sec
[17:27] <mhz> in the meantime, this is the training I am designing (based on many Moin useful tips). I will have to add more contents, of course. I'd appreciate if people let me know what they'd like to know about so that I can include it.
[17:27] <mhz> http://wiki.ubuntu-cl.org/MauricioHernandez/MoinTraining
[17:27] <mhz> and it is intended to be displayed with the action "SingleSlideShow"
[17:27] <mhz> the one we still do not have implemented on ubuntu wikis :(
[17:28] <highvoltage> just a sec.. brb
[17:31]  * highvoltage looks at link
[17:32] <highvoltage> mhz: nice, who's getting the training, ubuntu-cl?
[17:32] <highvoltage> or is it more generic?
[17:33] <mhz> i wanted to do it more generic, but also covering Admin stuff, and a chapter for users who have to create a user, then add themselves to a group in order to get ptivileges to edit.
[17:34] <mhz> Anyways, yes, Ubuntu-cl will get trained, also the company I work for (some managers are very impressed with what Moin can do).
[17:34] <highvoltage> nice
[17:34] <mhz> and, I was thinking that once I give those 2 trainings, I could get ready for a Ubuntu community training on wiki
[17:35] <mhz> highvoltage: in you opinion, how's the edubuntu people dealing with wiki editing/collaborating ?
[17:37] <mhz> highvoltage: re the MB/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5305482907.html
[17:37] <mhz> and http://desktoplinux.com/news/NS7114714037.html
[17:37] <mhz> and it was $60, sorry
[17:38] <highvoltage> mhz: willvdl was going to sort out our wiki stuff, I think he made some progress, but to be honest I think we need someone to pick it up again
[17:38] <highvoltage> ah yes, the gpc is all the rage.
[17:38] <highvoltage> didn't realise you could buy the board seperately, nice!
[17:39] <mhz> highvoltage: so, you are dealing with all wiki instances on ubuntu?
[17:39] <mhz> highvoltage: yeah! nice MB!
[17:39] <highvoltage> pity it has a fan though :-/
[17:39] <mhz> well...it depends
[17:40] <highvoltage> I'm not a big fan of the Via Unichrome display chip either
[17:40] <highvoltage> (it's drivers on linux is quite flakey atm)
[17:41] <highvoltage> otherwise very nice board, would be great on ltspp + local apps
[17:41] <mhz> yeah, but the strong point is: "Despite support call costs of just over $30, the TC2502 will be "profitable all through the channel," Kim expects. One key might be using parts not supported by Vista, thus getting away from Microsoft's restrictions on hardware. Like the Everex PC, the gOS Dev Board supports XP, Windows 2000, and Windows CE, but not Vista. "
[17:42] <mhz> exactly!, ltsp will rule on that MB
[17:45] <highvoltage> yeah.
[17:45] <LaserRock> hi mhz
[17:46] <mhz> hi LaserRock!
[17:46] <mhz> yeah, that nick I know
[17:46] <highvoltage> heh
[17:47] <highvoltage> just as I was about to shut down, LaserJock Rocks up.
[17:47] <highvoltage> LaserJock, we you there?
[17:47] <LaserJock> man, I resumed from hibernation this morning and had some weird stuff
[17:47] <mhz> highvoltage: so before you leave, could you please let me know what are/have been the most difficult issues people have been facing on the wiki editing?
[17:48] <LaserJock> so I rebooted
[17:48] <LaserJock> and on reboot got a bunch of fsck problem
[17:48] <LaserJock> ran fsck manually and had a ton of problems
[17:48] <highvoltage> mhz: I don't think editing itself is suck an issue, more /keeping/ pages updated once their created
[17:48] <highvoltage> mhz: and to keep things organised
[17:48] <LaserJock> finally got out of that and my madwifi kernel modules got eaten in the fsck
[17:49] <mhz> highvoltage: true...organizing is a beuatiful wiki science
[17:49] <LaserJock> luckily I hadn't cleaned my apt cache and was able to reinstall ubuntu-restricted-modules
[17:49] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I could've finished out new edubuntu site/stuff this weekend if I had the right permissions on the server, can only sort that out when the c7l staff are back at work
[17:49] <highvoltage> (ie tomorrow)
[17:49] <highvoltage> LaserJock: do you think these colors are ok? http://jono.co.za/drupal/
[17:49] <LaserJock> highvoltage: you gotta wait for a Canonical sysadmin?
[17:50] <highvoltage> LaserJock: they have to change the permissions on the folders :/
[17:50] <highvoltage> LaserJock: afaik only Znarl and elmo has root on that machine
[17:50] <LaserJock> hmmpf
[17:50] <LaserJock> right
[17:51] <highvoltage> LaserJock: when philip updated the site last, the group permissions got reset, and isn't writable by the edubuntu group anymore
[17:51] <LaserJock> highvoltage: only suggest would be to maybe go with more of an orange for the bottom of the gradient
[17:51] <highvoltage> LaserJock: ok
[17:51] <LaserJock> like the orange that's in the edubuntu logo
[17:51] <highvoltage> ah, was just about to ask. ok.
[17:51] <mhz> highvoltage: and whou should I request to implement the SingleSlideShow plugin
[17:51] <LaserJock> I think maybe there's a bit too much color change
[17:51] <highvoltage> mhz: ask heno, he would know
[17:51] <mhz> and hopefully upgrade to a newer Moin version?
[17:52] <LaserJock> mhz: new moin on what?
[17:52] <highvoltage> mhz: just a warning, moin on the ubuntu servers is ancient
[17:52] <mhz> exactly! :d
[17:52] <highvoltage> mhz: and their a bit scared to do such a big upgrade
[17:52] <highvoltage> LaserJock: wiki.{ed,k,u}buntu.com
[17:52] <mhz> oh
[17:52] <LaserJock> yeah, the Doc team has been trying to get an upgrade for over a year
[17:53] <mhz> LaserJock: and what have been the most relevant arguments against upgrading?
[17:53] <mhz> highvoltage: ohh, one more important detail!
[17:53] <LaserJock> sysadmins don't have time and it's a "big job"
[17:53] <highvoltage> their just afraid the entire thing will melt down.
[17:53] <LaserJock> basically
[17:53] <highvoltage> they should really just test it on a spare machine from backups and see what happens
[17:53] <LaserJock> yep
[17:53] <LaserJock> it's just gonna take a big push for time
[17:53] <mhz> highvoltage: I am trying to convince some of the ubuntu-cl pals around here to have monthly ubuntu coffee sessions streming live
[17:54] <highvoltage> mhz: sounds interesting
[17:55] <LaserJock> highvoltage: that theme is pretty rocking though
[17:55] <LaserJock> I'll be excited to get it live
[17:55] <mhz> highvoltage: but, do we have something to "tube" these streamings on ubuntu servers?
[17:56] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yep, will probably put it up tomorrow night. will have to fix some things that might not look good anymore, but I've tested the old fridge theme on edubuntu.org and things did fit in at least, so hopefully it won't need too much adjusting
[17:56] <mhz> highvoltage: I like that drupal look, very relaxing in red.
[17:57] <highvoltage> mhz: no idea, to be honest. I think canonical is looking for something for the UDS's too
[17:57] <LaserJock> highvoltage: excellent
[17:58] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if the Screencasts team has looked at streaming yet or not
[17:58] <highvoltage> mhz: what do you want to stream, screencasts or live video?
[17:58] <mhz> hmmm, ok, thanks a lot for staying up this late (for you) to tell me about all this
[17:59] <LaserJock> I think there's also been some thoughts thrown around of like an Ubuntu Radio
[17:59] <highvoltage> it's not that late yet, but I need to switch the computer off about an hour before I go sleep, otherwise I can't :)
[17:59] <mhz> both, live video, and then material to watch it.
[17:59] <mhz> "material to be watched" (if my grammar is correct)
[18:01] <mhz> LaserJock: but how about using "virtual instances" of Moin. Would that still be terrifyin for Admins to think about migrating?
[18:01] <mhz> at least they could test before migrating :)
[18:02] <LaserJock> mhz: I have no idea
[18:02] <LaserJock> I just know that we've wanted to get wiki.u.c and help.u.c updated for the Doc team for a long time
[18:02] <mhz> so, heno would be the one I should ask about it?
[18:03] <LaserJock> it's getting closer to being an issue
[18:03] <LaserJock> mhz: as far as getting the wiki updated?
[18:03] <mhz> LaserJock: I can imagine, that's why I am getting concerned about the "wiki issue"
[18:03] <mhz> as far as getting the wiki updated? yup.
[18:04] <LaserJock> well, you might ask the doc team
[18:04] <mhz> you know that Moin devels would always be willing to lend hands
[18:04] <LaserJock> since they're sort of the big users
[18:05] <LaserJock> specifically mdke for getting an idea if it's currently on the sysadmin TODO list
[18:05] <mhz> the good old mdke
[18:07] <LaserJock> yep
[18:07] <mhz> well, AFAIK, I still see the good old Edubuntu gang faces
[18:07] <mhz> faces = nicks
[18:08] <LaserJock> yeah
[18:08] <LaserJock> good to see you
[18:08] <mhz> it is just a pity that I still can't get chilean people to help on Edubuntu. Most of them (almos all) help on Ubuntu things, and usually in spanish only.
[18:09] <mhz> I'd like to see more chilean faces on Edubuntu, because after many talks and presentations, I always get "wow! Edubuntu sounds great idea!" but...no more hands working on/with it, at least in Chile
[18:11] <LaserJock> yes
[18:11] <LaserJock> that's somewhat common around the world I think
[18:11] <LaserJock> as long as people are busy *using* Edubuntu I feel better
[18:11] <LaserJock> ;-)
[18:12] <mhz> hehehehe
[18:13] <mhz> yeah, it works as "consolation prize"
[18:14] <mhz> We have a couple of schools using ubuntu and edubuntu now in Chile (about 3 or 5, IRRC) but I see no people form such schools getting their hands helping you guys
[18:14] <mhz> At least, now that I am moving to an apartment where I can have no issues with network, I will finally get back to some of the old stuff I liked to do
[18:17] <LaserJock> great
[20:37] <bluekuja> heya mhz!!!
[20:37] <mhz> bluekuja: hey ya!
[20:37] <bluekuja> mhz, long time no see! where did you go???
[20:37] <mhz> to hell and back :D
[20:37] <bluekuja> lol
[20:37] <bluekuja> I was missing you! :)
[20:38] <bluekuja> I don't see you around here since months
[20:38] <mhz> man, I survided almost 1 year with no internet access
[20:38] <bluekuja> or even more than an year
[20:38] <bluekuja> aww, that's why! :)
[20:39] <bluekuja> I thought you wanted to stop working on edubuntu
[20:39] <bluekuja> and you left
[20:39] <mhz> not at all
[20:40] <bluekuja> reaaaaally great to have you back! :)
[20:40] <mhz> but as I had no internet access (still dont, for  at least 15 more days..but I have at work)
[20:40] <mhz> I was "forced" to be more active on our Chilean LoCo
[20:40] <mhz> so, we've done some very interesting things as a LoCo
[20:41] <mhz> but of course, everything gets poseted in spanish so we never informed to the english channels properly. Now this will change. I will get to keep everyone informed about what we are doing, in english.
[20:41] <mhz> bluekuja: how about you?
[20:44] <bluekuja> mhz, since you left I kept working on Edubuntu in Italy
[20:44] <bluekuja> I become a Developer
[20:44] <mhz> wow! congrats!
[20:44] <bluekuja> thanks :)
[20:45] <bluekuja> do you remember when I was going for the ubuntu membership?
[20:45] <PeterPan_>  can any one recomend a good dictionary to install ?
[20:45] <mhz> of course
[20:45] <bluekuja> you left just before that?
[20:45] <bluekuja> or after?
[20:45] <mhz> IIRC, "in the middle of it" ;)
[20:46] <mhz> or...just when you got it
[20:46] <mhz> PeterPan_: dpends on what kind of usage you need the dict for
[20:46] <bluekuja> mhz, lol, true
[20:46] <bluekuja> mhz, anyway a LOT of things changed during this period of time
[20:47] <mhz> tell me, tell me
[20:47]  * mhz wants to catch up
[20:47] <bluekuja> hehe
[20:47] <bluekuja> we have new members in the CC
[20:47] <bluekuja> we have a motu-council now
[20:48] <bluekuja> we have sponsorship groups both for main and universe
[20:48] <PeterPan_> mhz:  maximum vocabulary. if multimedia with videos and sounds and speller would be better
[20:49] <mhz> but now I am limited to possible wiki help...because I have no computer of my own, just his laptop that belongs to the company. And so far, despite I have already convinced at least 7 people working with Ubuntu all day long...my manager still wants me to use M$.
[20:49] <bluekuja> mhz, awww :/
[20:49] <bluekuja> mhz, that's not a good news
[20:49] <mhz> PeterPan_: then, nope, no idea. I know default Edubuntu dictionary only
[20:50] <bluekuja> mhz, did you know we have PPA now?
[20:50] <PeterPan_> mhz whatas that
[20:50] <mhz> bluekuja: but, the good thing is that I still convince people to use ubuntu :) and that I have internet acces at work to help every time I can.
[20:50] <bluekuja> mhz, https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart
[20:51]  * mhz reading about PPA
[20:51] <bluekuja> mhz, yes, at least we have you back
[20:51] <mhz> oh, great to have independent councils
[20:51] <bluekuja> mhz, I'm really happy to see you again here, really
[20:51] <mhz> oh, and I am even happier to see friendly old faces here
[20:51] <bluekuja> :)
[20:52] <bluekuja> mhz, yes, we have different councils now
[20:52] <mhz> and also, lots of new ubuntu memebers
[20:52] <bluekuja> yep
[20:52] <bluekuja> the community is getting bigger and bigger
[20:52] <bluekuja> really
[20:53] <mhz> PPA great idea...is it getting more people to code?
[20:53] <mhz> but, how about edubuntu specific growth?
[20:54] <bluekuja> well, it's helping a lot ppl who dont have a good system to build stuff (plus it allows builds for amd64 and lpia now)
[20:54] <bluekuja> and that's a very great thing
[20:54] <mhz> don't misinterpret me, please. I am VERY happy for all this growth and new initiatives. My humble question is: are we getting quality and quantity too?
[20:55] <bluekuja> you can test stuff on more than an arch, and that's cool
[20:55] <bluekuja> mhz, I think yes
[20:55] <mhz> PERFECT!
[20:55] <bluekuja> mhz, anyway Ubuntu is still the best desktop enviroment
[20:55] <bluekuja> and I see tons of ppl coming to Ubuntu everyday
[20:55] <mhz> yup, very mature too
[20:55] <bluekuja> checking italian/international forums
[20:55] <bluekuja> plus new contributors
[20:55] <mhz> and next LTS version will open new doors
[20:56] <bluekuja> yep
[20:56] <mhz> esp. considering many vista users are so frustrated
[20:56] <bluekuja> yeah, vista failed
[20:56] <bluekuja> miserably
[20:56] <mhz> I'd say "perfectly" instead
[20:57] <bluekuja> lol
[20:57] <bluekuja> agredd
[20:57] <bluekuja> *agreed
[20:57] <mhz> but that also gives us a biger responsibility
[20:57] <mhz> it is a chance we have to be very clever to take
[20:57] <mhz> I heard about the 300 motu's project
[20:57] <mhz> Is there a "plan" for it?
[20:58] <mhz> (i mean, strategically speaking)
[20:58] <bluekuja> what's that? and where did you read about that?
[20:58] <mhz> kind of "how to get 300 motus by the end of 2008"
[20:58] <mhz> bluekuja: ooops, maybe I shouldn't have heard that
[20:59] <bluekuja> lol, why?
[20:59] <mhz> yesterday, during our first Ubuntu Chile meeting, some of the "to become motu" guys told me something about it
[21:00] <mhz> we need urgently about 300 motus
[21:00] <mhz> and there is this idea of "you gotta catch'em all"
[21:00] <mhz> but I never got to ask "how?"
[21:00] <bluekuja> strange, never heard about that
[21:01] <mhz> maybe #ubuntu-motu could tell (if interested)
[21:01] <bluekuja> mhz, ok, I'm going to sleep now...went bed tooo late yesterday (5am)
[21:01] <mhz> eeek, that was "early!"
[21:02] <bluekuja> :D
[21:02] <mhz> bluekuja: it was VERY nice talking to you, at least this bit
[21:02] <bluekuja> mhz, same for me :)
[21:02] <bluekuja> you're still an old good friend
[21:02] <mhz> no worries, you'll see me more often, that's a promise
[21:02] <mhz> thank you man
[21:03] <mhz> sleep well
[21:03] <bluekuja> glad to hear that! take care and see you tomorrow
[21:03] <bluekuja> thanks, cu :)
[22:35] <pusakat> is there a pdf version of the edubuntu handbook somewhere? if not, what guidelines do i need to follow to make one?
[22:36] <LaserJock> I don't think there is a PDF
[22:37] <LaserJock> you'd have to be able to turn docbook or HTML into PDF
[22:38] <pusakat> yeah, was thinking of how to do that with the xml files, but will need to work on it some.
[22:40] <LaserJock> well, there are a few ways to do it I think
[22:40] <pusakat> thanks.
[22:40] <LaserJock> apache's FOP stuff is one
[22:41] <LaserJock> also docbook -> latex -> PDF (via pdflatex) can be done
[22:42]  * pusakat wants to steer clear of java though, so fop isn't a go.
[22:42] <LaserJock> k
[22:42] <pusakat> i'll prolly try the latex route
[22:42] <LaserJock> well, this is part of why PDFs don't currently exist
[22:42] <LaserJock> :-)
[22:43] <LaserJock> it's not trivial to do
[22:43] <pusakat> understood.
[22:43] <pusakat> i was thinking of doing it the non-automated way first, but it's tedious.
[22:43] <LaserJock> but we really should have one
[22:44] <LaserJock> it's a fairly common request
[23:00] <nonsparker> hey is anyone around?
[23:01] <nonsparker> that can help me with a thin client auto login issue
[23:01] <johnny> using?
[23:01] <nonsparker> gutsy
[23:02] <johnny> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/161794
[23:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 161794 in ltsp "autologin doesn't work" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[23:02] <johnny> does that descripbe your issue?
[23:02] <nonsparker> yeah
[23:02] <johnny> mine too
[23:02] <johnny> and it looks like there is a fix now too :)
[23:03] <nonsparker> yeah
[23:03] <johnny> that was easy ... for you :)
[23:03] <johnny> i spent awhile trying to figure it out :)
[23:03] <nonsparker> is the fix in the link you sent me?
[23:03] <johnny> at the bottom
[23:04] <nonsparker> ok
[23:04] <nonsparker> I'll take a look
[23:04] <nonsparker> johnny you rock
[23:04] <johnny> no.. vagrantc does :)
[23:05] <nonsparker> so what did you do? edit the file your self
[23:05] <johnny> haven't applied it yet
[23:06] <johnny> i just discovered that right now
[23:06] <nonsparker> cool
[23:06] <johnny> hopefully it works
[23:06] <johnny> i'll be trying it in the next half hour
[23:06] <nonsparker> I will be trying it soon as well
[23:17] <nonsparker> ok johnny it's the moment of truth
[23:19] <nonsparker> I'm not having any luck
[23:22] <nonsparker> johnny: are you having any luck?
[23:32] <johnny> not there yet
[23:32] <nonsparker> ahhh
[23:32] <nonsparker> I don't think it solves the issue
[23:33] <nonsparker> I edited the screen.d/ldm file with the changes
[23:34] <nonsparker> and the resuts were the same black screen with 'x' cursor
[23:35] <johnny> did you rebuild your image?
[23:35] <nonsparker> good idea
[23:36] <nonsparker> sorry I'm still new at this
[23:36] <nonsparker> I'm rebuilding now
[23:43] <nonsparker> ok i rebuilt my image and it still does not work
[23:46] <johnny> comment on that bug and say you tried it
[23:48] <nonsparker> I did
[23:48] <nonsparker> thanks for the help