| CPrgmSwR2 | Hi, stdin have you managed to get kopete yet to compile for gutsy | 00:03 |
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| Tm_T | there's some problem? | 00:04 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | I am asking the question? | 00:04 |
| Tm_T | anyway, compiles fine here I think | 00:05 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | because qca2 isn't available for gutsy | 00:05 |
| Tm_T | it is now from stdins ppa | 00:05 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | oh | 00:05 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | does stdins ppa have kopete on their now too? | 00:06 |
| Tm_T | should | 00:06 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | okay cool | 00:06 |
| Tm_T | but I don't guarantee it | 00:06 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | can you look for me please? | 00:06 |
| Tm_T | umm no | 00:07 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | stdin ping | 00:07 |
| Tm_T | CPrgmSwR2: you can't look yourself? | 00:07 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | no | 00:07 |
| Tm_T | interesting | 00:07 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: ok :) | 01:38 |
| je4d | Riddell: still up? | 02:26 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | Hi | 03:03 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | stdin: awsome work | 03:03 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | Are you going to do an inbetween release of kde4 rc1 and kde4 final or just do the kde4 final? | 03:04 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | Hi, has anyone one for kubuntu thought about raising money for a kubuntu comercial | 04:21 |
| seele | DaSkreech: pong | 04:46 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | DaSkreech: ping | 04:49 |
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| CPrgmSwR2 | hey Daskreech | 05:17 |
| DaSkreech | Hi CPrgmSwR2 | 05:17 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | I have to say kubuntu is become an easy distro to use | 05:21 |
| * DaSkreech beams | 05:26 | |
| seele | DaSkreech: pong. you rang? | 05:26 |
| DaSkreech | hi seele I was asking about kde4-krush days | 05:27 |
| DaSkreech | have you been following? | 05:27 |
| DaSkreech | however remotely? :) | 05:27 |
| seele | mmm.. not really | 05:27 |
| seele | is there something i missed? | 05:28 |
| DaSkreech | Ok Hold on let me find the link | 05:28 |
| DaSkreech | seele: http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Bugsquad/KrushDays#Dolphin | 05:28 |
| DaSkreech | See the part about trash ? | 05:28 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | DaSkreech: Yeah.... knotify is a major issue | 05:29 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | I was chatting with a freind on kopete and knotify was trashing my screen with small boxes with every message my freind sent me | 05:29 |
| DaSkreech | Is it really bad policy to change a menu? | 05:31 |
| seele | DaSkreech: Empty Trash should be in the Application menu and I don't see a problem with having it in the context menu as you suggest | 05:31 |
| seele | I'll have to think about the Delete Item option though | 05:31 |
| DaSkreech | Should it always be in the application menu? | 05:31 |
| seele | all actions should be in the application menu | 05:31 |
| seele | the comment suggests that is not the case | 05:31 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | DaSkreech is kubuntu going to modify kde4 to give it its own flavor or leave it untouched?" | 05:31 |
| DaSkreech | Right I think the argument they make is that the menus should never change | 05:32 |
| DaSkreech | CPrgmSwR2: modify | 05:32 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | k | 05:32 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | Is kubuntu going to give it a more shinny glass like touch to it? | 05:33 |
| seele | is the issue because Trash is simply a folder and not a special application? and so the argument is whether to change the application menu when in Trash or to always have the option there? | 05:33 |
| DaSkreech | Not decided | 05:33 |
| DaSkreech | Right I think they are saying it's bad form to have an option suddenly turn up when in trash | 05:34 |
| seele | yeah.. | 05:34 |
| seele | hum | 05:34 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | DaSkreech is their still desire within kubuntu to put tabs into dolphin? | 05:34 |
| DaSkreech | However I think having an option to move to trash is stupid when you are IN trash | 05:34 |
| DaSkreech | CPrgmSwR2: I don't know if we will go that far but there is assuredly desire to have that at some point | 05:35 |
| seele | there are going to be a lot of problems similar to this because dolphin handles so many different devices | 05:35 |
| DaSkreech | seele: Like? | 05:35 |
| seele | so i guess you cant unmount anything in dolphin because that would be changing the menu? | 05:35 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | or mount anything | 05:35 |
| seele | media like a usb key | 05:36 |
| seele | or a cd | 05:36 |
| DaSkreech | Right. | 05:36 |
| DaSkreech | According to that argument | 05:36 |
| seele | yeah | 05:36 |
| seele | an option is to create a special section in the main application menu (usually File, but can be other things) | 05:37 |
| seele | which can be dynamic depending on its purpose | 05:37 |
| seele | e.g. device | 05:37 |
| seele | or, in konq when it is used as both a fm and browser | 05:37 |
| seele | i dont know of any other applications which have major modal changes like that | 05:37 |
| seele | because it would have to be adopted system wide | 05:37 |
| seele | im not sure how much trouble users would have learning it | 05:38 |
| DaSkreech | again I think that contextually you'd have to learn it once | 05:39 |
| DaSkreech | hi Jucato | 05:39 |
| Jucato | hi | 05:39 |
| Jucato | what's the topic? (first time I've seen seele say so much) | 05:40 |
| Jucato | :) | 05:40 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | lol | 05:40 |
| Jucato | hi seele! :) | 05:40 |
| seele | hihi Jucato | 05:41 |
| DaSkreech | kde4-krush | 05:43 |
| DaSkreech | In a way : | 05:44 |
| DaSkreech | ) | 05:44 |
| yuriy | seele: i made the suggestion that empty trash should be in the file menu and not just the context menu. i thought konqueror had it in the file menu, but it doesn't. | 05:58 |
| DaSkreech | Night all | 06:14 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | night | 06:37 |
| nixternal | yay 1am | 07:15 |
| Jucato | good night nixternal :) | 07:17 |
| nixternal | heh | 07:21 |
| nixternal | just got home | 07:21 |
| nixternal | ya, I think it is that time | 07:22 |
| nixternal | k'nite :) | 07:22 |
| ubuntu | hiya | 09:15 |
| ubuntu | anyone know ablout wubi? | 09:15 |
| ubuntu | wubi 7.10? | 09:15 |
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| * Hobbsee waves | 10:48 | |
| jpatrick | hi Hobbsee, hope you don't mind my ubuntu-restricted-extras upload.. | 10:48 |
| * jpatrick hides | 10:48 | |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: not really, but there were more bugs there | 10:49 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: if you like, fix the rest of them too :) | 10:49 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: I'll look into them later then :) | 10:50 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: one reporter is on crack - i think it was w.r.t flash or libk3b2-mp3 | 10:50 |
| Hobbsee | may well have been 64bit flashplugin-nonfree which they wanted | 10:50 |
| Hobbsee | which is known not to work at all... | 10:51 |
| jpatrick | I saw that one, too bad LP's down | 10:51 |
| Hobbsee | oh yeah, that's right. it's sudnay | 10:51 |
| Riddell | je4d: hi | 10:57 |
| je4d | Riddell: 'lo.. i was looking at your gutsy upgrade screenshots last night, and the software updates dialog didn't seem to exist as it was in the screenshots | 10:59 |
| je4d | i used apt-get dist-upgrade in the end | 10:59 |
| Riddell | je4d: you need to have adept from gutsy updates installed | 10:59 |
| Hobbsee | hey Riddell | 11:00 |
| je4d | Riddell: ah, thanks | 11:00 |
| Riddell | morning Hobbsee | 11:01 |
| je4d | Riddell: is using dist-upgrade going to not do anything the gui tool would? | 11:01 |
| Riddell | je4d: no, the upgrade tool is a bit more intelligent about making sure the right bits stay installed | 11:02 |
| je4d | nothing i can't do by checking apt's proposed changes then :) | 11:03 |
| je4d | btw, when i tried using adept_manager --version-upgrade it quit with "cannot install kubuntu-desktop" or something like that | 11:04 |
| je4d | near the end of "Modifying the softare channels" step | 11:05 |
| Riddell | erm, weird | 11:05 |
| je4d | yeah - it didn't seem to offer me any more substantial error messages (apt output etc), i can only guess that it got some unresolvable dependency problem | 11:06 |
| Riddell | je4d: if you still have the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade do report a bug in launchpad on update-manager | 11:08 |
| Riddell | once launchpad is alive again | 11:08 |
| Riddell | je4d: fancy a KDE gathering at my flat this hogmanay? | 11:10 |
| je4d | Riddell: i don't think i have them - they all got overwritten when i started the dist-upgrade | 11:15 |
| * je4d googles "define:hogmanay" | 11:16 | |
| je4d | does "your flat" imply going up to scotland? | 11:17 |
| Riddell | yes | 11:18 |
| je4d | hmm.. sounds good, but i don't really fancy riding 400 miles in winter | 11:19 |
| Riddell | fortunately technology has created trains, where you get the ride done for you | 11:20 |
| je4d | yeah, i've heard of htem | 11:20 |
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| mhb | Riddell: the key that go broke with the -fvisibility patch are the composite ones, German umlaut ones or others (our Czech ěščřž for example) | 12:45 |
| stdin | Riddell: just so you know, it looks like kde4base-data isn't being removed when asking apt-get to remove kdelibs5. I've seen more than a few pastebins with that problem | 12:50 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: did you know that the backports versions of kde4 have a whole stack of deps problems? | 12:56 |
| Hobbsee | conflicting files, mainly | 12:56 |
| Serega | kavabonga! | 13:08 |
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| jpatrick | hey Serega! | 13:23 |
| jpatrick | how's your patch coming along? | 13:23 |
| _buz | jpatrick: seen the luks patch on bugs.kde.org? | 13:27 |
| jpatrick | nop | 13:28 |
| _buz | i think i'll try it | 13:28 |
| _buz | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113629 last post | 13:28 |
| ubotu | KDE bug 113629 in media "Complete LUKS support (especially mounting)" [Wishlist,New] | 13:28 |
| jpatrick | _buz: looks better than kryptothingys | 13:29 |
| Hobbsee | ther'es a bug in LP about that. Lure's also interested. | 13:31 |
| Serega | jpatrick: I got stuck on kaffeine's bug preventing me from correct engine reloading | 13:36 |
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| _buz | lets see if i can figure out how to build the ioslaves with the patch | 13:50 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: woah ubuntu-res-extr | 13:57 |
| jpatrick | ftbfs | 13:57 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: what did you *do* to it? | 13:58 |
| Hobbsee | build log? | 13:58 |
| jpatrick | what I put into the changelog | 13:58 |
| jpatrick | make: *** No rule to make target `ubuntu-restricted-extras-lpia', needed by `build-stamp'. Stop. | 13:58 |
| jpatrick | I didn't even touch that | 14:00 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh.... | 14:00 |
| Hobbsee | yes, i know what that is | 14:00 |
| Hobbsee | it's never built with lpia before | 14:00 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: you need to create ubuntu-restricted-extras-lpia, and associated, and figure what goes in there. | 14:01 |
| Hobbsee | as in, xubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu | 14:01 |
| * jpatrick knotes | 14:02 | |
| Hobbsee | same syntax as the rest. | 14:02 |
| Hobbsee | that only failed on lpia, right? | 14:02 |
| jpatrick | yep | 14:03 |
| Hobbsee | good | 14:04 |
| Hobbsee | it should be the same as i386, then | 14:04 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: you should see the rules file. it's clever :) | 14:05 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: Yes, I have :) | 14:06 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: overlapping files compared to old kde4 packages? | 14:18 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: no, this was a clean kde4 install on gutsy | 14:19 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I know artwork has some overlapping files, anything else? | 14:19 |
| Hobbsee | mmm...i dont remember, sorry | 14:20 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: could you look at tork in NEW? You'll make upstream's xmas | 16:03 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: oh boy | 16:09 |
| jpatrick | Tm_T: well we've been trying to get it to package right for the last two months :p | 16:10 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: I meant oh boy for our msn kids | 16:10 |
| jpatrick | yeah, it's a shame, jabber's so much better | 16:10 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: not only that, they don't listen what I say | 16:18 |
| jpatrick | Tm_T: not only that, they're all after me now!! | 16:18 |
| Tm_T | haha | 16:19 |
| GNUton | hi! | 17:14 |
| maini10 | Hello, I have an issue in KDE 4 with Hardy development release. Menu K is completely disappeared. At login is shown an error "the object could not be created" in the middle of desktop. Any suggestions? | 17:20 |
| jpatrick | Czessi: ping | 18:00 |
| * ryanakca wonders if KDE4 is stable enough (to my definition... An Ubuntu release 2-3 months into development is stable enough) for use as a full desktop | 18:09 | |
| jpatrick | ryanakca: kde4 will be in universe | 18:10 |
| ryanakca | jpatrick: hmm... I guess it is :) | 18:10 |
| * ryanakca debates on packages or from scratch... | 18:11 | |
| jpatrick | either way I'm free to revu them | 18:11 |
| ryanakca | kwwii's wallpaper is awesome | 18:12 |
| ryanakca | anyways, bbl, lunch | 18:12 |
| nixternal | can you uninstall dolphin w/o any problems? will that totally get rid of it wanting to be the default? | 18:38 |
| nixternal | apt-get remove gives me the answer...nm me, just woke up :) | 18:39 |
| ryanakca | :) | 18:41 |
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| Riddell | ryanakca: I've been using KDE 4 as my desktop for the last week, it's just about usable if you know what to avoid | 21:28 |
| Riddell | and are willing to squint at the colour scheme (which is designed for compositing with shadows) | 21:29 |
| DaSkreech | yeah | 21:31 |
| DaSkreech | hows online tools? | 21:31 |
| DaSkreech | i was playing with kde4-kopete which is nearly stable enough to use but I hear it might not make 4.0.0 | 21:34 |
| DaSkreech | Will we package KDE4-kopete in any case? | 21:34 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: ah :) | 21:34 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: just apt-get install kdebase-dev-kde4 kdebase-workspace-dev kdebase-runtime from ppa for the experience? | 21:35 |
| jpatrick | DaSkreech: I thought they said it would... | 21:36 |
| DaSkreech | jpatrick: they said they were going to try. The last time I spoke to someone they said maybe but maybe not | 21:37 |
| DaSkreech | they made a call for devs to help and i don't know that anyone stepped up | 21:37 |
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| DaSkreech | For the next person who complains about dolphin | 21:58 |
| DaSkreech | http://www.steike.com/code/useless/evil-c/ | 21:58 |
| yuriy | DaSkreech: i don't really "get" the first 2, but the 3rd one made me cringe | 22:03 |
| DaSkreech | reached the Microsoft optimization yuriy ? | 22:06 |
| yuriy | yeah | 22:06 |
| yuriy | past that they get a little beyond my understanding of C | 22:07 |
| DaSkreech | That was kinda the point of the link :) | 22:08 |
| yuriy | i like this one though: if((x|y) < 0) { ... } | 22:09 |
| yuriy | who says that's hard to read ? :P | 22:09 |
| yuriy | it just happens to be easier to understand if you don't know what it means | 22:10 |
| DaSkreech | Ha ha :) | 22:11 |
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