[00:03] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi, stdin have you managed to get kopete yet to compile for gutsy
[00:04] <Tm_T> there's some problem?
[00:04] <CPrgmSwR2> I am asking the question?
[00:05] <Tm_T> anyway, compiles fine here I think
[00:05] <CPrgmSwR2> because qca2 isn't available for gutsy
[00:05] <Tm_T> it is now from stdins ppa
[00:05] <CPrgmSwR2> oh
[00:06] <CPrgmSwR2> does stdins ppa have kopete on their now too?
[00:06] <Tm_T> should
[00:06] <CPrgmSwR2> okay cool
[00:06] <Tm_T> but I don't guarantee it
[00:06] <CPrgmSwR2> can you look for me please?
[00:07] <Tm_T> umm no
[00:07] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin ping
[00:07] <Tm_T> CPrgmSwR2: you can't look yourself?
[00:07] <CPrgmSwR2> no
[00:07] <Tm_T> interesting
[01:38] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok :)
[02:26] <je4d> Riddell: still up?
[03:03] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi
[03:03] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: awsome work
[03:04] <CPrgmSwR2> Are you going to do an inbetween release of kde4 rc1 and kde4 final or just do the kde4 final?
[04:21] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi, has anyone one for kubuntu thought about raising money for a kubuntu comercial
[04:46] <seele> DaSkreech: pong
[04:49] <CPrgmSwR2> DaSkreech: ping
[05:17] <CPrgmSwR2> hey Daskreech
[05:17] <DaSkreech> Hi CPrgmSwR2
[05:21] <CPrgmSwR2> I have to say kubuntu is become an easy distro to use
[05:26]  * DaSkreech beams
[05:26] <seele> DaSkreech: pong.  you rang?
[05:27] <DaSkreech> hi seele I was asking about kde4-krush days
[05:27] <DaSkreech>  have you been following?
[05:27] <DaSkreech> however remotely? :)
[05:27] <seele> mmm.. not really
[05:28] <seele> is there something i missed?
[05:28] <DaSkreech> Ok Hold on let me find the link
[05:28] <DaSkreech> seele: http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Bugsquad/KrushDays#Dolphin
[05:28] <DaSkreech> See the part about trash ?
[05:29] <CPrgmSwR2> DaSkreech: Yeah.... knotify is a major issue
[05:29] <CPrgmSwR2> I was chatting with a freind on kopete and knotify was trashing my screen with small boxes with every message my freind sent me
[05:31] <DaSkreech> Is it really bad policy to change a menu?
[05:31] <seele> DaSkreech: Empty Trash should be in the Application menu and I don't see a problem with having it in the context menu as you suggest
[05:31] <seele> I'll have to think about the Delete Item option though
[05:31] <DaSkreech> Should it always be in the application menu?
[05:31] <seele> all actions should be in the application menu
[05:31] <seele> the comment suggests that is not the case
[05:31] <CPrgmSwR2> DaSkreech is kubuntu going to modify kde4 to give it its own flavor or leave it untouched?"
[05:32] <DaSkreech> Right I think the argument they make is that the menus should never change
[05:32] <DaSkreech> CPrgmSwR2: modify
[05:32] <CPrgmSwR2> k
[05:33] <CPrgmSwR2> Is kubuntu going to give it a more shinny glass like touch to it?
[05:33] <seele> is the issue because Trash is simply a folder and not a special application?  and so the argument is whether to change the application menu when in Trash or to always have the option there?
[05:33] <DaSkreech> Not decided
[05:34] <DaSkreech> Right I think they are saying it's bad form to have an option suddenly turn up when in trash
[05:34] <seele> yeah..
[05:34] <seele> hum
[05:34] <CPrgmSwR2> DaSkreech is their still desire within kubuntu to put tabs into dolphin?
[05:34] <DaSkreech> However I think having an option to move to trash is stupid when you are IN trash
[05:35] <DaSkreech> CPrgmSwR2: I don't know if we will go that far but there is assuredly desire to have that at some point
[05:35] <seele> there are going to be a lot of problems similar to this because dolphin handles so many different devices
[05:35] <DaSkreech> seele: Like?
[05:35] <seele> so i guess you cant unmount anything in dolphin because that would be changing the menu?
[05:35] <CPrgmSwR2> or mount anything
[05:36] <seele> media like a usb key
[05:36] <seele> or a cd
[05:36] <DaSkreech> Right.
[05:36] <DaSkreech> According to that argument
[05:36] <seele> yeah
[05:37] <seele> an option is to create a special section in the main application menu (usually File, but can be other things)
[05:37] <seele> which can be dynamic depending on its purpose
[05:37] <seele> e.g. device
[05:37] <seele> or, in konq when it is used as both a fm and browser
[05:37] <seele> i dont know of any other applications which have major modal changes like that
[05:37] <seele> because it would have to be adopted system wide
[05:38] <seele> im not sure how much trouble users would have learning it
[05:39] <DaSkreech> again I think that contextually you'd have to learn it once
[05:39] <DaSkreech> hi Jucato
[05:39] <Jucato> hi
[05:40] <Jucato> what's the topic? (first time I've seen seele say so much)
[05:40] <Jucato> :)
[05:40] <CPrgmSwR2> lol
[05:40] <Jucato> hi seele! :)
[05:41] <seele> hihi Jucato
[05:43] <DaSkreech> kde4-krush
[05:44] <DaSkreech> In a way :
[05:44] <DaSkreech> )
[05:58] <yuriy> seele: i made the suggestion that empty trash should be in the file menu and not just the context menu. i thought konqueror had it in the file menu, but it doesn't.
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Night all
[06:37] <CPrgmSwR2> night
[07:15] <nixternal> yay 1am
[07:17] <Jucato> good night nixternal :)
[07:21] <nixternal> heh
[07:21] <nixternal> just got home
[07:22] <nixternal> ya, I think it is that time
[07:22] <nixternal> k'nite :)
[09:15] <ubuntu> hiya
[09:15] <ubuntu> anyone know ablout wubi?
[09:15] <ubuntu> wubi 7.10?
[10:48]  * Hobbsee waves
[10:48] <jpatrick> hi Hobbsee, hope you don't mind my ubuntu-restricted-extras upload..
[10:48]  * jpatrick hides
[10:49] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: not really, but there were more bugs there
[10:49] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: if you like, fix the rest of them too :)
[10:50] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I'll look into them later then :)
[10:50] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: one reporter is on crack - i think it was w.r.t flash or libk3b2-mp3
[10:50] <Hobbsee> may well have been 64bit flashplugin-nonfree which they wanted
[10:51] <Hobbsee> which is known not to work at all...
[10:51] <jpatrick> I saw that one, too bad LP's down
[10:51] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, that's right.  it's sudnay
[10:57] <Riddell> je4d: hi
[10:59] <je4d> Riddell: 'lo.. i was looking at your gutsy upgrade screenshots last night, and the software updates dialog didn't seem to exist as it was in the screenshots
[10:59] <je4d> i used apt-get dist-upgrade in the end
[10:59] <Riddell> je4d: you need to have adept from gutsy updates installed
[11:00] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell
[11:00] <je4d> Riddell: ah, thanks
[11:01] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee
[11:01] <je4d> Riddell: is using dist-upgrade going to not do anything the gui tool would?
[11:02] <Riddell> je4d: no, the upgrade tool is a bit more intelligent about making sure the right bits stay installed
[11:03] <je4d> nothing i can't do by checking apt's proposed changes then :)
[11:04] <je4d> btw, when i tried using adept_manager --version-upgrade it quit with "cannot install kubuntu-desktop" or something like that
[11:05] <je4d> near the end of "Modifying the softare channels" step
[11:05] <Riddell> erm, weird
[11:06] <je4d> yeah - it didn't seem to offer me any more substantial error messages (apt output etc), i can only guess that it got some unresolvable dependency problem
[11:08] <Riddell> je4d: if you still have the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade do report a bug in launchpad on update-manager
[11:08] <Riddell> once launchpad is alive again
[11:10] <Riddell> je4d: fancy a KDE gathering at my flat this hogmanay?
[11:15] <je4d> Riddell: i don't think i have them - they all got overwritten when i started the dist-upgrade
[11:16]  * je4d googles "define:hogmanay"
[11:17] <je4d> does "your flat" imply going up to scotland?
[11:18] <Riddell> yes
[11:19] <je4d> hmm.. sounds good, but i don't really fancy riding 400 miles in winter
[11:20] <Riddell> fortunately technology has created trains, where you get the ride done for you
[11:20] <je4d> yeah, i've heard of htem
[12:45] <mhb> Riddell: the key that go broke with the -fvisibility patch are the composite ones, German umlaut ones or others (our Czech ěščřž for example)
[12:50] <stdin> Riddell: just so you know, it looks like kde4base-data isn't being removed when asking apt-get to remove kdelibs5. I've seen more than a few pastebins with that problem
[12:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you know that the backports versions of kde4 have a whole stack of deps problems?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> conflicting files, mainly
[13:08] <Serega> kavabonga!
[13:23] <jpatrick> hey Serega!
[13:23] <jpatrick> how's your patch coming along?
[13:27] <_buz> jpatrick: seen the luks patch on bugs.kde.org?
[13:28] <jpatrick> nop
[13:28] <_buz> i think i'll try it
[13:28] <_buz> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113629 last post
[13:28] <ubotu> KDE bug 113629 in media "Complete LUKS support (especially mounting)" [Wishlist,New]
[13:29] <jpatrick> _buz: looks better than kryptothingys
[13:31] <Hobbsee> ther'es a bug in LP about that.  Lure's also interested.
[13:36] <Serega> jpatrick: I got stuck on kaffeine's bug preventing me from correct engine reloading
[13:50] <_buz> lets see if i can figure out how to build the ioslaves with the patch
[13:57] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: woah ubuntu-res-extr
[13:57] <jpatrick> ftbfs
[13:58] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: what did you *do* to it?
[13:58] <Hobbsee> build log?
[13:58] <jpatrick> what I put into the changelog
[13:58] <jpatrick> make: *** No rule to make target `ubuntu-restricted-extras-lpia', needed by `build-stamp'.  Stop.
[14:00] <jpatrick> I didn't even touch that
[14:00] <Hobbsee> ahhh....
[14:00] <Hobbsee> yes, i know what that is
[14:00] <Hobbsee> it's never built with lpia before
[14:01] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: you need to create ubuntu-restricted-extras-lpia, and associated, and figure what goes in there.
[14:01] <Hobbsee> as in, xubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu
[14:02]  * jpatrick knotes
[14:02] <Hobbsee> same syntax as the rest.
[14:02] <Hobbsee> that only failed on lpia, right?
[14:03] <jpatrick> yep
[14:04] <Hobbsee> good
[14:04] <Hobbsee> it should be the same as i386, then
[14:05] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: you should see the rules file.  it's clever :)
[14:06] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: Yes, I have :)
[14:18] <Riddell> Hobbsee: overlapping files compared to old kde4 packages?
[14:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no, this was a clean kde4 install on gutsy
[14:19] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I know artwork has some overlapping files, anything else?
[14:20] <Hobbsee> mmm...i dont remember, sorry
[16:03] <jpatrick> Riddell: could you look at tork in NEW? You'll make upstream's xmas
[16:09] <Tm_T> jpatrick: oh boy
[16:10] <jpatrick> Tm_T: well we've been trying to get it to package right for the last two months :p
[16:10] <Tm_T> jpatrick: I meant oh boy for our msn kids
[16:10] <jpatrick> yeah, it's a shame, jabber's so much better
[16:18] <Tm_T> jpatrick: not only that, they don't listen what I say
[16:18] <jpatrick> Tm_T: not only that, they're all after me now!!
[16:19] <Tm_T> haha
[17:14] <GNUton> hi!
[17:20] <maini10> Hello, I have an issue in KDE 4 with Hardy development release. Menu K is completely disappeared. At login is shown an error "the object could not be created" in the middle of desktop. Any suggestions?
[18:00] <jpatrick> Czessi: ping
[18:09]  * ryanakca wonders if KDE4 is stable enough (to my definition... An Ubuntu release 2-3 months into development is stable enough) for use as a full desktop
[18:10] <jpatrick> ryanakca: kde4 will be in universe
[18:10] <ryanakca> jpatrick: hmm... I guess it is :)
[18:11]  * ryanakca debates on packages or from scratch...
[18:11] <jpatrick> either way I'm free to revu them
[18:12] <ryanakca> kwwii's wallpaper is awesome
[18:12] <ryanakca> anyways, bbl, lunch
[18:38] <nixternal> can you uninstall dolphin w/o any problems? will that totally get rid of it wanting to be the default?
[18:39] <nixternal> apt-get remove gives me the answer...nm me, just woke up :)
[18:41] <ryanakca> :)
[21:28] <Riddell> ryanakca: I've been using KDE 4 as my desktop for the last week, it's just about usable if you know what to avoid
[21:29] <Riddell> and are willing to squint at the colour scheme (which is designed for compositing with shadows)
[21:31] <DaSkreech> yeah
[21:31] <DaSkreech> hows online tools?
[21:34] <DaSkreech> i was playing with kde4-kopete which is nearly stable enough to use but I hear it might not make 4.0.0
[21:34] <DaSkreech> Will we package KDE4-kopete in any case?
[21:34] <ryanakca> Riddell: ah :)
[21:35] <ryanakca> Riddell: just apt-get install kdebase-dev-kde4 kdebase-workspace-dev kdebase-runtime   from ppa for the experience?
[21:36] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: I thought they said it would...
[21:37] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: they said they were going to try. The last time I spoke to someone they said maybe but maybe not
[21:37] <DaSkreech> they made a call for devs to help and i don't know that anyone stepped up
[21:58] <DaSkreech> For the next person who complains about dolphin
[21:58] <DaSkreech> http://www.steike.com/code/useless/evil-c/
[22:03] <yuriy> DaSkreech: i don't really "get" the first 2, but the 3rd one made me cringe
[22:06] <DaSkreech> reached the Microsoft optimization yuriy ?
[22:06] <yuriy> yeah
[22:07] <yuriy> past that they get a little beyond my understanding of C
[22:08] <DaSkreech> That was kinda the point of the link :)
[22:09] <yuriy> i like this one though: if((x|y) < 0) { ... }
[22:09] <yuriy> who says that's hard to read ? :P
[22:10] <yuriy> it just happens to be easier to understand if you don't know what it means
[22:11] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)