[00:03] Hi, stdin have you managed to get kopete yet to compile for gutsy [00:04] there's some problem? [00:04] I am asking the question? [00:05] anyway, compiles fine here I think [00:05] because qca2 isn't available for gutsy [00:05] it is now from stdins ppa [00:05] oh [00:06] does stdins ppa have kopete on their now too? [00:06] should [00:06] okay cool [00:06] but I don't guarantee it [00:06] can you look for me please? [00:07] umm no [00:07] stdin ping [00:07] CPrgmSwR2: you can't look yourself? [00:07] no [00:07] interesting [01:38] Riddell: ok :) [02:26] Riddell: still up? [03:03] Hi [03:03] stdin: awsome work [03:04] Are you going to do an inbetween release of kde4 rc1 and kde4 final or just do the kde4 final? [04:21] Hi, has anyone one for kubuntu thought about raising money for a kubuntu comercial [04:46] DaSkreech: pong [04:49] DaSkreech: ping === DaSkreech_ is now known as DaSkreech [05:17] hey Daskreech [05:17] Hi CPrgmSwR2 [05:21] I have to say kubuntu is become an easy distro to use [05:26] * DaSkreech beams [05:26] DaSkreech: pong. you rang? [05:27] hi seele I was asking about kde4-krush days [05:27] have you been following? [05:27] however remotely? :) [05:27] mmm.. not really [05:28] is there something i missed? [05:28] Ok Hold on let me find the link [05:28] seele: http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Bugsquad/KrushDays#Dolphin [05:28] See the part about trash ? [05:29] DaSkreech: Yeah.... knotify is a major issue [05:29] I was chatting with a freind on kopete and knotify was trashing my screen with small boxes with every message my freind sent me [05:31] Is it really bad policy to change a menu? [05:31] DaSkreech: Empty Trash should be in the Application menu and I don't see a problem with having it in the context menu as you suggest [05:31] I'll have to think about the Delete Item option though [05:31] Should it always be in the application menu? [05:31] all actions should be in the application menu [05:31] the comment suggests that is not the case [05:31] DaSkreech is kubuntu going to modify kde4 to give it its own flavor or leave it untouched?" [05:32] Right I think the argument they make is that the menus should never change [05:32] CPrgmSwR2: modify [05:32] k [05:33] Is kubuntu going to give it a more shinny glass like touch to it? [05:33] is the issue because Trash is simply a folder and not a special application? and so the argument is whether to change the application menu when in Trash or to always have the option there? [05:33] Not decided [05:34] Right I think they are saying it's bad form to have an option suddenly turn up when in trash [05:34] yeah.. [05:34] hum [05:34] DaSkreech is their still desire within kubuntu to put tabs into dolphin? [05:34] However I think having an option to move to trash is stupid when you are IN trash [05:35] CPrgmSwR2: I don't know if we will go that far but there is assuredly desire to have that at some point [05:35] there are going to be a lot of problems similar to this because dolphin handles so many different devices [05:35] seele: Like? [05:35] so i guess you cant unmount anything in dolphin because that would be changing the menu? [05:35] or mount anything [05:36] media like a usb key [05:36] or a cd [05:36] Right. [05:36] According to that argument [05:36] yeah [05:37] an option is to create a special section in the main application menu (usually File, but can be other things) [05:37] which can be dynamic depending on its purpose [05:37] e.g. device [05:37] or, in konq when it is used as both a fm and browser [05:37] i dont know of any other applications which have major modal changes like that [05:37] because it would have to be adopted system wide [05:38] im not sure how much trouble users would have learning it [05:39] again I think that contextually you'd have to learn it once [05:39] hi Jucato [05:39] hi [05:40] what's the topic? (first time I've seen seele say so much) [05:40] :) [05:40] lol [05:40] hi seele! :) [05:41] hihi Jucato [05:43] kde4-krush [05:44] In a way : [05:44] ) [05:58] seele: i made the suggestion that empty trash should be in the file menu and not just the context menu. i thought konqueror had it in the file menu, but it doesn't. [06:14] Night all [06:37] night [07:15] yay 1am [07:17] good night nixternal :) [07:21] heh [07:21] just got home [07:22] ya, I think it is that time [07:22] k'nite :) [09:15] hiya [09:15] anyone know ablout wubi? [09:15] wubi 7.10? === Shely is now known as MJ086 === Shely is now known as MJ086 [10:48] * Hobbsee waves [10:48] hi Hobbsee, hope you don't mind my ubuntu-restricted-extras upload.. [10:48] * jpatrick hides [10:49] jpatrick: not really, but there were more bugs there [10:49] jpatrick: if you like, fix the rest of them too :) [10:50] Hobbsee: I'll look into them later then :) [10:50] jpatrick: one reporter is on crack - i think it was w.r.t flash or libk3b2-mp3 [10:50] may well have been 64bit flashplugin-nonfree which they wanted [10:51] which is known not to work at all... [10:51] I saw that one, too bad LP's down [10:51] oh yeah, that's right. it's sudnay [10:57] je4d: hi [10:59] Riddell: 'lo.. i was looking at your gutsy upgrade screenshots last night, and the software updates dialog didn't seem to exist as it was in the screenshots [10:59] i used apt-get dist-upgrade in the end [10:59] je4d: you need to have adept from gutsy updates installed [11:00] hey Riddell [11:00] Riddell: ah, thanks [11:01] morning Hobbsee [11:01] Riddell: is using dist-upgrade going to not do anything the gui tool would? [11:02] je4d: no, the upgrade tool is a bit more intelligent about making sure the right bits stay installed [11:03] nothing i can't do by checking apt's proposed changes then :) [11:04] btw, when i tried using adept_manager --version-upgrade it quit with "cannot install kubuntu-desktop" or something like that [11:05] near the end of "Modifying the softare channels" step [11:05] erm, weird [11:06] yeah - it didn't seem to offer me any more substantial error messages (apt output etc), i can only guess that it got some unresolvable dependency problem [11:08] je4d: if you still have the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade do report a bug in launchpad on update-manager [11:08] once launchpad is alive again [11:10] je4d: fancy a KDE gathering at my flat this hogmanay? [11:15] Riddell: i don't think i have them - they all got overwritten when i started the dist-upgrade [11:16] * je4d googles "define:hogmanay" [11:17] does "your flat" imply going up to scotland? [11:18] yes [11:19] hmm.. sounds good, but i don't really fancy riding 400 miles in winter [11:20] fortunately technology has created trains, where you get the ride done for you [11:20] yeah, i've heard of htem === \sh_away is now known as \sh [12:45] Riddell: the key that go broke with the -fvisibility patch are the composite ones, German umlaut ones or others (our Czech ěščřž for example) [12:50] Riddell: just so you know, it looks like kde4base-data isn't being removed when asking apt-get to remove kdelibs5. I've seen more than a few pastebins with that problem === \sh is now known as \sh_away [12:56] Riddell: did you know that the backports versions of kde4 have a whole stack of deps problems? [12:56] conflicting files, mainly [13:08] kavabonga! === uga is now known as uga|away [13:23] hey Serega! [13:23] how's your patch coming along? [13:27] <_buz> jpatrick: seen the luks patch on bugs.kde.org? [13:28] nop [13:28] <_buz> i think i'll try it [13:28] <_buz> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113629 last post [13:28] KDE bug 113629 in media "Complete LUKS support (especially mounting)" [Wishlist,New] [13:29] _buz: looks better than kryptothingys [13:31] ther'es a bug in LP about that. Lure's also interested. [13:36] jpatrick: I got stuck on kaffeine's bug preventing me from correct engine reloading === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [13:50] <_buz> lets see if i can figure out how to build the ioslaves with the patch [13:57] Hobbsee: woah ubuntu-res-extr [13:57] ftbfs [13:58] jpatrick: what did you *do* to it? [13:58] build log? [13:58] what I put into the changelog [13:58] make: *** No rule to make target `ubuntu-restricted-extras-lpia', needed by `build-stamp'. Stop. [14:00] I didn't even touch that [14:00] ahhh.... [14:00] yes, i know what that is [14:00] it's never built with lpia before [14:01] jpatrick: you need to create ubuntu-restricted-extras-lpia, and associated, and figure what goes in there. [14:01] as in, xubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu [14:02] * jpatrick knotes [14:02] same syntax as the rest. [14:02] that only failed on lpia, right? [14:03] yep [14:04] good [14:04] it should be the same as i386, then [14:05] jpatrick: you should see the rules file. it's clever :) [14:06] Hobbsee: Yes, I have :) [14:18] Hobbsee: overlapping files compared to old kde4 packages? [14:19] Riddell: no, this was a clean kde4 install on gutsy [14:19] Hobbsee: I know artwork has some overlapping files, anything else? [14:20] mmm...i dont remember, sorry [16:03] Riddell: could you look at tork in NEW? You'll make upstream's xmas [16:09] jpatrick: oh boy [16:10] Tm_T: well we've been trying to get it to package right for the last two months :p [16:10] jpatrick: I meant oh boy for our msn kids [16:10] yeah, it's a shame, jabber's so much better [16:18] jpatrick: not only that, they don't listen what I say [16:18] Tm_T: not only that, they're all after me now!! [16:19] haha [17:14] hi! [17:20] Hello, I have an issue in KDE 4 with Hardy development release. Menu K is completely disappeared. At login is shown an error "the object could not be created" in the middle of desktop. Any suggestions? [18:00] Czessi: ping [18:09] * ryanakca wonders if KDE4 is stable enough (to my definition... An Ubuntu release 2-3 months into development is stable enough) for use as a full desktop [18:10] ryanakca: kde4 will be in universe [18:10] jpatrick: hmm... I guess it is :) [18:11] * ryanakca debates on packages or from scratch... [18:11] either way I'm free to revu them [18:12] kwwii's wallpaper is awesome [18:12] anyways, bbl, lunch [18:38] can you uninstall dolphin w/o any problems? will that totally get rid of it wanting to be the default? [18:39] apt-get remove gives me the answer...nm me, just woke up :) [18:41] :) === Lure_ is now known as Lure === uga|away is now known as uga [21:28] ryanakca: I've been using KDE 4 as my desktop for the last week, it's just about usable if you know what to avoid [21:29] and are willing to squint at the colour scheme (which is designed for compositing with shadows) [21:31] yeah [21:31] hows online tools? [21:34] i was playing with kde4-kopete which is nearly stable enough to use but I hear it might not make 4.0.0 [21:34] Will we package KDE4-kopete in any case? [21:34] Riddell: ah :) [21:35] Riddell: just apt-get install kdebase-dev-kde4 kdebase-workspace-dev kdebase-runtime from ppa for the experience? [21:36] DaSkreech: I thought they said it would... [21:37] jpatrick: they said they were going to try. The last time I spoke to someone they said maybe but maybe not [21:37] they made a call for devs to help and i don't know that anyone stepped up === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde === kozz_ is now known as kozz [21:58] For the next person who complains about dolphin [21:58] http://www.steike.com/code/useless/evil-c/ [22:03] DaSkreech: i don't really "get" the first 2, but the 3rd one made me cringe [22:06] reached the Microsoft optimization yuriy ? [22:06] yeah [22:07] past that they get a little beyond my understanding of C [22:08] That was kinda the point of the link :) [22:09] i like this one though: if((x|y) < 0) { ... } [22:09] who says that's hard to read ? :P [22:10] it just happens to be easier to understand if you don't know what it means [22:11] Ha ha :) === DaSkreech_ is now known as DaSkreech === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde