[00:55] <kwwii> as for marketing and design being two different things, we are trying to unify that by bringing in the marketing people into th design discussion before they present their new brief to the marketing company, they are totally inline with having the marketing stuff a part of the total design
[00:55] <kwwii> anyway
[00:55] <kwwii> time for bed
[01:39] <troy_s> kwwii: That's a plus one.
[20:51] <DanaG> Dang, why is it that I can never seem to find a theme that I like enough to keep using for a long period of time?
[20:52] <ddddd> DanaG: because your brains know there are more available ;-)
[20:52] <DanaG> At least when in Windows, I used Eminence (a Windowblinds theme) for months, until I realized that light text on dark backgrounds, with cleartype, == eyestrain.
[23:34] <kwwii> re
[23:34] <kwwii> where is _MMA_ when I need him
[23:45] <troy_s> greets kwwii
[23:45] <troy_s> kwwii: how goes the fight?
[23:47] <kwwii> troy_s: good, spent the evening singing with a new band, very nice evening indeed
[23:47] <kwwii> and you?
[23:48] <kwwii> nice answer to the green theme idea on the list, btw
[23:48] <troy_s> kwwii: I feared it would be received wrong.  I was not even going to bother to reply at all, but I am starting to learn more and more why we are stuck in this state we are in.
[23:48] <troy_s> kwwii: So thanks for the prop.
[23:49] <kwwii> considering the unrealistic idea of changing everything to green I think you repsonded very well
[23:51] <kwwii> man, my ears are still ringing from the guitar amp...freaky feeling chatting while being deaf, very lonely
[23:51] <troy_s> kwwii: I asked myself even if we DID change to green, would that be 'better'?
[23:51] <troy_s> kwwii: It is the old argument of blue really, in a different suit.
[23:51] <kwwii> moving to a theme as suggested would be, again, monochromatic, and again, gloss
[23:51] <troy_s> kwwii: Although I will give credit and say that in general, MOST people aren't trying to push that foolish agenda anymore.
[23:52] <kwwii> nothing new there, just a remix of the same bad ideas
[23:52] <troy_s> spot on.
[23:52] <troy_s> absolutely.
[23:52] <troy_s> somehow, i _do_ think the audience is maturing / learning... albeit slowly.
[23:52] <kwwii> yeah, slowly but surely we just might achieve something
[23:52] <kwwii> man, I am not used to us getting along so well :p
[23:53] <kwwii> eventually it had to happen I guess
[23:53] <kwwii> :-)
[23:56] <troy_s> lol
[23:56] <troy_s> well, my golden rule has always been to ignore the relationship portion of things and focus on the work.  if you start making judgements based on relationships and not simply evaluating work, you are in trouble.
[23:56] <troy_s> that's the road of politic.
[23:57] <kwwii> yeah, very ture
[23:57] <kwwii> erm, true
[23:57] <troy_s> perhaps one day there will be a very good 'crew' of people who argue and get passionately angry with each other over the _work_ as opposed to the politick.
[23:58] <kwwii> then we might, just might, actually get ahead instead of just rehashing old ideas
[23:58] <troy_s> that will come.  arguably of course, there will be mistakes made too.  that is predicated on the rather large and very real issue as to whether at some point
[23:58] <troy_s> the 'status quo' is let go of.
[23:59] <troy_s> (including the silencing / ignoring of the vocal minorities who still push the status quo)