[03:24] <nixternal> does the RC 1 packages have the old kicker look?
[03:25] <nixternal> s/does/do
[03:26]  * Jucato thinks new kicker look... not absolutely sure :)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> what does the old kicker look like?
[03:27] <Jucato> like the vista panel... glassy black
[03:27] <Hobbsee> the one in the -backports packages is blue
[03:28] <Jucato> erb.. dark bluish
[03:28] <Jucato> http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce_4.0-beta4/kde4.0-beta4.png
[03:29] <nixternal> ahh, ok
[03:29] <nixternal> err, but that beta4
[03:29] <Jucato> nixternal: yeah just showing Hobbsee what it looked like :)
[03:29] <Jucato> before
[03:30] <nixternal> freddy just installed rc1 and it is the old one from beta4
[03:30] <Jucato> oh...
[03:30] <Jucato> I wasn't absolutely sure :)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's the one that's in the rc1 in -backports
[03:30] <Jucato> (although I wouldn't be surprised...)
[03:30] <Jucato> ah I see
[03:30] <Jucato> glad to be wrong :P
[03:30] <nixternal> ahh, that is odd, because that isn't the one in the other rc1 packages for other distros
[03:31] <Jucato> perhaps they didn't take it exactly from tags/KDE but maybe an SVN snapshot?
[03:31] <Jucato> anyway.. gone :)
[03:31] <Jucato> :P
[08:28] <Serega> hi all
[08:30] <Serega> does anybody use emacs for source editing?
[08:43] <Tm_T> Serega: sure some people do
[08:45] <Serega> Tm_T: what do you use for example? vim tires me quickly and I want to choose the best editor for me
[08:45] <Tm_T> Kate
[08:45] <Tm_T> or nano, or, sed or, hmmm
[08:45] <Serega> oh...
[08:45] <Serega> sed :)
[08:46]  * stdin used nano or kate
[08:47] <Jucato> kate or vim or kwrite
[08:47] <Serega> I wonder why nobody uses kdevelop
[08:47] <stdin> because it's mostly for larger projects than the things I mess with
[08:47] <Jucato> because I don't need it yet :)
[08:48] <Serega> Jucato: where do you run kwrite from? shell? krusader or smth else?
[08:48]  * Jucato isn't beyond overloading yet :P
[08:48] <stdin> I have used it, but kate is simpler and does what I need
[08:48] <stdin> although I do most coding in nano :)
[08:49] <Jucato> Serega: I've set kwrite to be the default editor again. just to prepare myself for kde4.0
[08:49] <Serega> stdin: can it do gcc ouput analyzing and "goto error"?
[08:49] <Serega> maybe some plugins needed
[08:49] <stdin> Serega: don't think so, nano is just an editor (and I have never needed to use goto)
[08:49] <Serega> Jucato: so do you use just dolphin as a shell during development>
[08:50] <Serega> &
[08:50] <Serega> ?
[08:50] <Serega> stdin: it was about kate :) I heard about nano and you made me interested
[08:51] <Jucato> Serega: no :P
[08:51]  * Jucato can stand using kwrite often, but not d3lphin
[08:51] <Jucato> dolphin I can use :)
[08:51] <stdin> just " include "/usr/share/nano/c.nanorc" " in your ~/.nanorc
[08:52] <Serega> thanks, I'll try
[08:52] <Serega> one another issue
[08:52] <Serega> do we have some utility to monitor state of Qt application? something like the Spy for windows
[08:54] <stdin> asking "do we have X, like Y for windows" is pointless to me, I don't use windows so I don't know what "Y" does
[08:54] <Jucato> #qt people might be of help...
[08:54] <Serega> oh, sorry
[08:55] <stdin> the only time I use windows is to fix it for my parents :p
[08:55] <Serega> some shit happens with kaffeine video widget after engine reloading and it is really hard to track it's state
[08:55] <Serega> stdin: :)
[09:34] <Tm_T> meh
[09:55] <Serega> IT RELOADS!!!
[09:55] <Riddell> awooga
[09:55] <Riddell> how did you do that Serega?
[09:56] <Serega> I can't believe, so little thing: no additional show() for player widget. So first time it is shown with the main->show() but secondtime it is left hidden
[09:56]  * Serega dences
[09:57] <Serega> *dances
[10:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: can you give back extragear-plasma in hardy please
[10:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: given back
[10:33] <Riddell> still half the gutsy ones to build alas
[10:33] <Hobbsee> because of all the extra backported stuff?
[10:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you should also backport exaile and qca2
[10:33] <Riddell> why?
[10:33] <Riddell> what's exaile?
[10:33] <Hobbsee> music player.  like amarok
[10:34] <Hobbsee> because i cant be bothered filing a bug to backport it myself ;P
[10:34] <Tm_T> "GTK clone of Amarok" I think it calls itself
[10:34] <Hobbsee> qca2, obviously, so that people can use the latest to build kde4 stuff
[11:04] <Serega> are attachments allowed in maillist?
[11:04] <Tm_T> should be
[11:11]  * _buz wonders why a gtk clone of amarok is relevant to kubuntu :P
[11:16] <Tm_T> no idea
[11:25] <Hobbsee> _buz: i'ts not, but i can't backport.
[13:55] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: ahoy
[13:55] <jpatrick> apachelogger: hi
[13:56] <apachelogger> jpatrick: I'm writing my motu application right now :D
[13:56] <apachelogger> <-- totally jumpy
[13:56] <jpatrick> apachelogger: good luck, I have to go to school right now :(
[13:56] <apachelogger> oh, have fun :P
[13:57] <jpatrick> history of music and spanish.. you're joking :P
[13:58] <_buz> jpatrick: did you try to build the luks kio patch? failed for me (but that may just be my inability to deal with dpkg-buildpackage)
[13:58] <apachelogger> jpatrick: histroy... of music? -.-
[13:58] <jpatrick> _buz: I think Riddell had to fix it up a bit
[13:58]  * apachelogger doesn't even like the history with war and stuff all that much
[13:58] <jpatrick> apachelogger: teach goes on and on about offtopic-stuff
[13:59] <apachelogger> lol
[13:59] <_buz> jpatrick: so he built it?
[13:59] <jpatrick> _buz: I'll package the patch from bugs.kde asap and feed you the package
[13:59] <jpatrick> er.. give you
[13:59] <_buz> oh nice, i'll test it
[13:59] <_buz> never mind, i have eaten worse :P
[14:00] <jpatrick> later
[14:03] <Tonio_> hi there
[14:38] <Riddell> _buz: fixed version should be in kdebase in hardy now
[14:39] <Riddell> nixternal: do you think a 10th anniversary of kde e.v. would be an interesting story?
[14:40] <DaSkreech> Anyone got blotted?
[14:41] <Riddell> whit?
[14:42]  * DaSkreech grins. never mind :)
[14:50] <_buz> Riddell: can i install that on gutsy?
[14:50] <_buz> might as well try it :)
[14:50] <Riddell> _buz: you can download the source https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/kdebase/4:3.5.8-1ubuntu2
[14:58] <_buz> /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: line 201: debian/rules: Permission denied
[15:13] <bddebian> Heya
[15:14] <Riddell> _buz: try debuild?
[15:16] <_buz> will try
[15:37] <_buz> debuild: fatal error at line 1247
[15:37] <_buz> (that is after applying the diff by hand)
[15:40] <Riddell> more context needed
[15:43] <_buz> http://pastebin.ca/798067
[15:44] <_buz> maybe i do need to run it with sudo instead of fakeroot?
[15:44] <_buz> actually no
[15:44] <_buz> lmsensors seems not to match
[15:45] <Riddell> hrm, no idea what's caused that
[15:46] <Riddell> why did you apply the diff by hand?
[15:46] <_buz> how would it otherwise be applied?
[15:46] <_buz> i cant very well use apt-get source to get the sources from launchpad
[15:47] <Riddell> debuild  will apply it
[15:48] <Riddell> wget sources from launchpad; dpkg-source -x *dsc; cd kdebase-<tab>; debuild
[15:49] <_buz> lets see
[15:57] <_buz> still fails
[15:57] <_buz> at the same exact point
[15:58] <Riddell> maybe it doesn't like gutsy
[15:58] <Riddell> you can apt-get source kdebase in gutsy and copy the patch over
[16:00] <_buz> might try that tonight
[16:07] <seele> is anyone really familiar with adept and the restricted manager?  i need some info/help on understanding what its supposed to do and how it works with everything else
[16:08] <Riddell> seele: mhb wrote restircted-manager-kde
[16:09] <Riddell> adept-batch is just called to install some packages
[16:12] <seele> Riddell: ok, ill ping him when he's around then
[16:17] <mhb> seele: who?
[16:17] <mhb> :o)
[18:00] <mhb> anyone on gutsy?
[18:01] <mhb> err...
[18:01] <mhb> hardy
[18:01] <mhb> I have started to notice that I cannot chdir to directories that have whitespaces in them
[18:03] <jpatrick> _buz: this patch is going to take a while
[18:06] <ScottK> mhb: You have to quote the directory name if you're in Konsole
[18:06] <DaSkreech> You can't escape the white spaces?
[18:09] <ScottK> Dunno.  Never tried that.
[18:09] <CPrgmSwR2> out of couriosity, why is swfmill not in kubuntu packages
[18:17] <_buz> no hurry
[18:19] <ScottK> CPrgmSwR2: Unless it's in Debian, the probably answer is no one packaged it.
[18:19] <CPrgmSwR2> oh
[19:02] <mhb> ScottK: it simply does not work anymore
[19:02] <mhb> not in konsole, not in gnome-terminal...nowhere
[19:02] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[19:02]  * ScottK tries it.
[19:02] <mhb> I have got a folder named Virtual Machines and I cannot get there
[19:04] <ScottK> mhb: Works here just fine.
[19:04] <ScottK> This is on Gutsy.  It's not clear which you were on.
[19:04] <mhb> martin@blackbook:~$ cd Virtual\ Machines/
[19:04] <mhb> bash: cd: Virtual: No such file or directory
[19:04] <mhb> Hardy
[19:05]  * ScottK logs into the chroot
[19:05] <CPrgmSwR2> mhb what about cd Virtua*
[19:05] <CPrgmSwR2> or cd "Virtual Machines"
[19:06] <mhb> nothing, both of them
[19:06] <CPrgmSwR2> mhb: can you do #ls -la into pastebin
[19:07] <mhb> sure
[19:08] <mhb> http://pastebin.ca/798303
[19:10] <CPrgmSwR2> mhb: what does # cd * do?
[19:11] <ScottK> mhb: I'm updating my chroot first, so it'll be a little bit.
[19:12] <CPrgmSwR2> mhb: does this give you the same error? # cd *
[19:12] <mhb> CPrgmSwR2: same thing
[19:12] <CPrgmSwR2> okay, so then that error is not correct
[19:14] <CPrgmSwR2> mhb: I have never seen anything like that
[19:15] <mhb> me neither
[19:16] <CPrgmSwR2> especially since cd * doesn't work and its the only folder/file in that directory
[19:16] <mhb> I hate when beta-testing breaks my system :o)
[19:16] <CPrgmSwR2> I am suprized that it broke cd though
[19:17] <nosrednaekim> mhb: run it in a VM..
[19:17] <CPrgmSwR2> mhb: what does this give you #cat Virtual*
[19:18] <mhb> nosrednaekim: oh sure, I could cd to the Virtual Machines dir and launch it there... wait
[19:18] <mhb> :o)
[19:18] <mhb> cat: Virtual Machines: Is a directory
[19:19] <CPrgmSwR2> wow that implies cd is broken
[19:19] <nosrednaekim> mhb: ermm,never mind, I must have gotten here late XD
[19:19] <ScottK> mhb: Works just fine in my Hardy chroot.
[19:20] <CPrgmSwR2> mhb: how about rename the folder with #mv Virtual* VirtualMachine
[19:20] <CPrgmSwR2> not sure if that will screw more things up
[19:21] <mhb> that works
[19:21] <CPrgmSwR2> mhb: now can you cd to the directory
[19:22] <mhb> yeah :o( wicked error
[19:22] <CPrgmSwR2> weird
[19:22] <mhb> thanks
[19:22] <CPrgmSwR2> your welcome
[19:23]  * CPrgmSwR2 wonders what happens if you rename it back
[19:24] <CPrgmSwR2> mhb: your welcome
[19:39]  * DaSkreech tips CPrgmSwR2 into #kdegames :-)
[19:51] <nixternal_> Riddell: would the 10th anniversary include a cake? sounds interesting to me
[20:04] <jpatrick> Riddell: got reply from upstream, flags are the same that are used in KTorrent
[20:12] <nixternal_> oh man, Gnome has some serious mudslinging going on...hope they have prepared for the FUD train to leave the station
[20:12] <DaSkreech_> whats going on?
[20:12] <DaSkreech_> nixternal_: The cake is not real
[20:13] <nixternal_> read og's blog post
[20:15] <Riddell> jpatrick: mm, they're removed from debian I'm pretty sure, we /should/ remove them too but often don't bother
[20:15] <Riddell> however, should be ok so long as you put it in the copyright file
[20:16] <Riddell> ** testers needed http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/cds/kubuntu-kde4-20071126.iso
[20:16] <Riddell> stdin: fancy testing?  it's largely your work :)
[20:16] <ScottK> nixternal_: Link?
[20:16]  * _buz fetches and tests in kde
[20:16] <_buz> uuhm no, virtualbox :)
[20:17] <DaSkreech_> nixternal_: Who?
[20:23] <Riddell> nixternal_: forwarded e-mail
[20:23] <nixternal_> roger
[20:23] <Riddell> _buz: are you talking to me about virtualbox?  presumably it runs isos?
[20:23] <nixternal> gotta get rid of that tail
[20:24] <_buz> afaik it does
[20:24] <DaSkreech_> nixternal: yes?
[20:24] <_buz> i know kvm and qemu do, so virtualbox probably does so too
[20:24] <nixternal> DaSkreech_: yes what?
[20:24] <nixternal> derr, I said roger again
[20:24] <DaSkreech_> nixternal: you called?
[20:24] <DaSkreech_> nixternal: Whi is og?
[20:25] <nixternal> Og Maciel
[20:25] <Riddell> is that Og the KDE user? :)
[20:25] <nixternal> hehe, Riddell I have converted him!
[20:25] <nixternal> he is going for the Gnome board while using KDE! I smell our chance for infiltration :p
[20:26] <_buz> boy that murray guy sure has a nice rant going on there
[20:26] <nixternal> I need the AOL "You've Got Mail" wav file...I want people to look at me strange with all of the stickers I have on my laptop
[20:27] <nixternal> Riddell: top secret, but feel free to turn it into a story...that is to funny
[20:28] <rbrunhuber> nixternal : try this http://newmail.monsterserve.com/keepout/misc/gotmail00.wav
[20:28] <nixternal> how much does it cost to be a supporting member? I would be interested..but if Shuttleworth is on the list, something tells me that I don't have enough in my piggy bank :)
[20:28] <rbrunhuber> nixternal : do not know about license issues though
[20:29] <nixternal> rbrunhuber: oh lord that was disgusting....the funny thing is it played in amarok, and when it finished went right into Led Zeppelin's Communication Breakdown :)
[20:29] <nixternal> what are the damn odds on that one
[20:30] <Riddell> nixternal: http://ev.kde.org/getinvolved/supporting-members.php 100euro
[20:30] <Riddell> of course you could become a normal member before too long too
[20:31] <nixternal> groovy
[20:33] <DaSkreech_> nixternal: Ok strange guy
[20:34] <DaSkreech_> he starts out saying I've been knee deep in KDE for 5 years nowthen later on It's been years since I've really used KDE
[20:34] <DaSkreech_> Conflicted much?
[20:34] <nixternal> knee deep as in everyone around him uses/used kde
[20:36] <DaSkreech_> ha ha
[20:36] <DaSkreech_> never mind it was 5 days
[20:36] <DaSkreech_> I read that thrice and read it wrong
[20:40] <_buz> must be a good place where all people use kde
[20:47]  * apachelogger just sent his motu application
[20:48] <DaSkreech_> nixternal: Is that stuff true?
[20:51] <ScottK> Which stuff?
[20:51] <_buz> Riddell: the gradient in the kde4live window title bar is making it near impossible to actually read whole of the title
[20:52] <_buz> and window decoration looks somehow broken for me
[20:52] <Riddell> _buz: it's a matter of some debate in KDE 4 land
[20:53] <_buz> parts of the window have a black bar, other parts of the same window do not
[20:53] <Riddell> the developer has designed it assuming everyone has composite shadows on
[20:53] <Riddell> and everyone else thinks that's unacceptable in a default
[20:53] <_buz> composite shadows dont even work on my machine (never mind that compiz does a great job in kde3)
[20:54] <DaSkreech_> ScottK:  the pyschosis of one of the GNOME members
[20:54]  * ScottK is still hoping for a link to read all about it.
[20:55] <_buz> ScottK: http://www.murrayc.com/blog/permalink/2007/11/26/gnome-board-2007-candidates-the-bad/
[20:56] <ScottK> _buz: Thanks
[20:59] <DaSkreech_> ScottK: Sorry logged in from Vista so I have WONDERFUL performance from insane mind blowing activities like clicking a mouse, typing, or receiving a packet from the internet!
[20:59] <DaSkreech_> please see with me if it takes me 10 minutes to an hour to see a message you hve sent and i respond
[21:00] <ScottK> Heh
[21:00] <ScottK> Will it sounds like that guy would get along well with Kmos.
[21:05] <DaSkreech> OK from Kubuntu now
[21:05] <DaSkreech>  much better :)
[21:08] <DaSkreech> Argh
[21:08] <DaSkreech> now I have to go home
[21:08] <DaSkreech> :(
[22:48] <Jucato> oh boy... :/
[22:49] <jpatrick> sup?
[22:49] <Jucato> waking up to GNOME news :/
[22:49] <Jucato> poor guys
[22:49] <Jucato> good morning/evening! :)
[22:50] <jpatrick> ..for us at least
[22:50] <Jucato> is it ok to test the kde4 iso in vbox only? I don't think I have blank CD's to spare
[22:52] <Riddell> Jucato: yeah, that's fine
[22:53] <Jucato> cool! now to just wait :/
[22:53] <Jucato> (it's the waiting that kills...)
[23:16] <yuriy> kde4 iso?
[23:16] <Jucato> [04:16] <Riddell> ** testers needed http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/cds/kubuntu-kde4-20071126.iso
[23:16] <Jucato> yay 3 hours to go to finish downloading it :)
[23:17] <yuriy> downloading :) ETA 11 minutes
[23:17] <Jucato> O.o