[15:13] <cjwatson> evand: heads-up: there is a fairly decent chance of my grub-installer merge breaking something, so watch out ...
[15:16] <evand> ok
[15:24] <cjwatson> I've uploaded os-prober 1.23 to Debian, and we should be able to sync that once it's ready
[15:25] <evand> great
[16:30] <thom> cjwatson: hey, is the installation guide for 7.10 online anywhere? i can't see it on help.ubuntu.com
[17:33] <cjwatson> thom: I don't think so - I need to prod mdke to publish it
[17:33] <cjwatson> thom: it's in the installation-guide-i386 (etc.) package in gutsy though
[17:35] <thom> ahah
[17:37] <mshadle> cjwatson: is there any way to delay the booting of a CD? when the kernel first loads it seems like it can't find the cdrom. but maybe ~ 10 seconds after it tells me "Cannot load the cdrom" i can press enter and it goes along its merry way
[17:37] <cjwatson> mshadle: are you using Kickstart?
[17:37] <mshadle> yup
[17:38] <cjwatson> are you loading a Kickstart file from the CD?
[17:38] <mshadle> yeah.
[17:38] <cjwatson> mshadle: it would be useful to know if it behaves differently if you're loading a Kickstart file from the network instead
[17:38] <mshadle> LABEL install
[17:38] <mshadle>   menu label ^Install lvs01
[17:38] <mshadle>   kernel /install/vmlinuz
[17:38] <mshadle>   append  file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu-server.seed initrd=/install/initrd.gz ks=cdrom:/ks-lvs01.cfg
[17:38] <mshadle> DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text pci=routeirq acpi=off noapic --
[17:38] <cjwatson> either way, please file a bug on the kickseed package
[17:39] <cjwatson> it's not straightforward to "delay" loading the CD, but that's also not really the real problem IMO ...
[17:40] <mshadle> it's like a chicken and egg
[17:41] <mshadle> it's kinda funky and it happens only on remote machines i can't really keep reformatting/trying out
[17:41] <cjwatson> thing is, the hardware detection component is already supposed to wait until everything's settled down
[17:43] <mshadle> here's my seed
[17:43] <mshadle> # Always install the server kernel.
[17:43] <mshadle> d-i     base-installer/kernel/override-image    string linux-server
[17:43] <mshadle> # Only install basic language packs. Let tasksel ask about tasks.
[17:43] <mshadle> d-i     pkgsel/language-pack-patterns   string
[17:43] <mshadle> # No language support packages.
[17:43] <mshadle> d-i     pkgsel/install-language-support boolean false
[17:43] <mshadle> d-i pkgsel/include string openssh-server build-essential
[17:43] <mshadle> popularity-contest popularity-contest/participate boolean false
[17:43] <mshadle> # Avoid that last message about the install being complete.
[17:43] <mshadle> d-i finish-install/reboot_in_progress note
[17:43] <mshadle> dont know if any of that helps :p
[17:43] <mshadle> so does your kickstart really just map to d-i stuff
[17:46] <evand> yes, the kickstart settings are translated into debconf settings.
[17:46] <cjwatson> the preseed file is not relevant
[17:46] <cjwatson> (to your problem)
[19:59] <evand> cjwatson: releases.ubuntu.com says the memory requirement for the desktop CD is 320 MB, but isolinux says it's 384 MB.  The latter is correct, right?
[20:01] <evand> I'm looking to correct http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/desktopedition which says 256 MB.
[22:14]  * Lrrr randomly pokes cjwatson 
[22:20] <Lrrr> Away.  Not that it wasn't unexpected.
[22:22] <Lrrr> cjwatson: I just had a quick question about http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/debian-cd/ubuntu/, ie, is it a bzr branch and if so where can I fetch it.
[22:23] <Lrrr> I'll be back on IRC later tonight.
[22:23] <evand> Lrrr: that is the branch
[22:24] <evand> bzr branch http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/debian-cd/ubuntu/ debian-cd.ubuntu
[23:15] <Lrrr> evand: dang... I thought I tried that already.
[23:15] <Lrrr> thank you
[23:19] <mshadle> crap anyone here know why i get errors like this? "db_input: command not found" and a lot of postinst scripts fail. just normal apt-get installs too. something broke my package management
[23:37] <Lrrr> mshadle: is debconf installed?
[23:38] <mshadle> yeah..
[23:38] <mshadle> debconf and debconf-i18n and says it is up to date
[23:38] <Lrrr> evand: I guess I had the URL wrong, then thought it wasn't a bzr repo.
[23:38] <Lrrr> mshadle: It might be broken.
[23:38] <Lrrr> like, some files could be missing
[23:38] <mshadle> yeah.. im afraid if i remove it
[23:39] <mshadle> then ill be even more in a pickle
[23:39] <Lrrr> Check the list of files in the package first.