[04:14] <Burgundavia> please remember to email fridge-devel on all new meetings
[06:47] <dholbach> good morning
[10:17] <Mithrandir> StevenK: --disable-obex and --enable-obex does the same thing, so you can just use --enable-obex to reduce the delta.
[10:18] <StevenK> Haha. Yes, okay.
[10:18] <Mithrandir> at least for quite a while
[10:22] <StevenK> Mithrandir: I'll just sanity check the new debdiff
[10:24] <Mithrandir> ack
[10:24] <StevenK> Mithrandir: bluez-utils debdiff updated
[10:25] <Mithrandir> looks good to me
[10:31] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Okay, I'll upload the both of them.
[10:37] <Mithrandir> StevenK: you saw the patch sent to tinymail-devel about tinymail-sans-conic?
[10:43] <StevenK> I did not, actually.
[10:57] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Right, that patch looks great.
[10:58]  * StevenK daresays he provoked that patch by sending his patches to Philip
[10:59] <StevenK> Mithrandir: What's the rationale for the 3.0 -> 3.12 bluetooth bump?
[10:59] <Mithrandir> new symbols introduced.
[11:00] <StevenK> Fairy nuff.
[11:22] <StevenK> Mithrandir: bluez-libs uploaded, and bug with patch filed.
[11:59] <Mithrandir> StevenK: cheers
[19:12] <ToddBrandt> asac, is the following statement true: nm-applet = network-manager-gnome = network-manager-applet, they're all the same, they just get renamed from time to tim
[19:12] <ToddBrandt> raji, I just posed the question to asac
[19:12] <asac> ToddBrandt: from what i know its true ... yes.
[19:13] <ToddBrandt> ok, raji, post your link, and ask asac
[19:13] <ToddBrandt> if that's the latest
[19:13] <raji> asac: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/gnome/sources/network-manager-applet/0.6/, does this link have latest source code?
[19:14] <asac> raji: how do you define "latest source code" ?
[19:14] <ToddBrandt> asac: latest viable source code, i.e. that will work on a moblin environment
[19:14] <asac> raji: its the latest stable release yes ... but its more or less official that distributors should also consider using all commits done on the 0.6.x branch after the final release.
[19:15] <asac> i think we have almost all commits in the package
[19:16] <asac> ToddBrandt: yes, use that branch + patches or use 0.6 svn branch ... which is just a maintenance branch without any unstable development.
[19:16] <raji> asac: I have another question, apt-get source doesnt fetch network manager applet code. It only fetches NetworkManager daemon code. are not they bundled together?
[19:16] <asac> no its a separate source package
[19:17] <asac> say: apt-get source network-manager-gnome
[19:18] <raji> asac: apt-get source network-manager-applet does not fetch applet code either
[19:19] <asac> the command above works for me
[19:19] <asac> what are you planning to do ? fork for mobile?
[19:19] <raji> asac: we have to fork it for moblin, yes.
[19:20] <asac> what features are missing?
[19:21] <raji> asac: nm applet does not connect to wep encrypted networks, it has problem working with SDIO WLAN driver we use on moblin
[19:22] <asac> could you track down the bug?
[19:23] <asac> how are the symptoms?
[19:23] <raji> asac: I will root cause it today, Just downloaded front end source 
[19:23] <asac> its likely that its just a driver bug ... does the driver support wext?
[19:23] <raji> asac: when I enter password, network manager timesout 
[19:25] <asac> raji: why don't you start with the ubuntu package? and develop the fix against that one?
[19:25] <raji> asac: Driver supports it, we verified, we thought something must be wrong in the front end code . I have captured the logs for the failure, would you like to see?
[19:25] <asac> yes
[19:26] <raji> asac: How do I send the log to you?
[19:26] <asac> shouldn't be confidential so just use paste.ubuntu.com i guess
[19:27] <raji> asac : ok, 
[19:37] <raji> asac: URL is http://paste.ubuntu.com/2260/ , please look at the activity 1225-1247, at 1243 NetworkManager timesout.
[19:40] <asac> raji: when it times out is the device in state associated in iwconfig?
[19:40] <asac> raji: does WPA and open net work?
[19:41] <raji> asac: It was not associated in iwconfig. Sorry I didnt get your other other question
[19:43] <asac> raji: 1. is the interface associated right before the timeout kicks in
[19:43] <raji> asac: 1. No
[19:43] <asac> 2. can you connect to WPA or open-networks
[19:44] <asac> raji: ad 1. ok is the right essid set at that point?
[19:44] <raji> asac: I can connect to unencrypted networks, moblin wlan driver doesnt support WPA yet.
[19:45] <raji> asac: Yes.I see in the logs that the NetworkManager tries to connect to 'correct' network name. (in the log 'Netgear-Raji')
[19:46] <asac> raji: ok, but manually using wpasupplicant works?
[19:46] <asac> do you have the .conf file for that?
[19:47] <raji> asac: No, wpasupplicant didnt work. It gave some errors
[19:49] <asac> raji: well ... network manager needs a working supplicant
[19:53] <raji> asac: Is wpasupplicant needed for WEP encryption also? But  logs explained that supplicant was able to connect to global socket and looked like it didnt have problems. 
[19:54] <asac> raji: yes ... everything needs wpasupplicant
[19:55] <asac> i would try track the issue by manually configuring wpasupplicant
[19:56] <raji> asac: do you know of any help page for trouble shooting wpasupplicant, 
[19:56] <asac> raji: if its wext then its most likely a driver bug
[19:56] <asac> raji: how did you manage to verify that wep works?
[19:58] <raji> asac: My colleague, verified it. He used commandline iwconfig to connect to WLAN AP.
[19:59] <asac> raji: trouble shooting wpasupplicant is like: run wpasupplicant with -dd to get full debug output
[20:01] <raji> asac: he was able to connect to WEP encrypted wireless network with iwconfig, but not with nm-applet. so the bug is somewhere in the networkmanager. 
[20:03] <asac> well as long as wpasupplicant alone doesn't work, you cannot be sure about that
[20:03] <raji> asac: I will run the wpasupplicant and see why is it failing. Are you going to be online tomorrow around same time? 
[20:03] <asac> the stack is: nm-applet -> nm-daemon -> wpasupplicant -> wext
[20:04] <asac> raji: well usually i prefer to have finished my day at this time ;)
[20:04] <asac> 3 hours earlier would be perfect :)
[20:05] <raji> asac: ok, that will work for me, thanks a lot,
[20:06] <asac> raji: fine