| szakulec | any satellite users (US) here? | 00:20 |
|---|---|---|
| tgm4883_laptop | not me | 00:24 |
| tgm4883_laptop | although its best to just post your question | 00:24 |
| szakulec | I'd like to know if US satellite users will just have a poorer experience with mythtv compared to cable folks | 00:25 |
| tgm4883_laptop | i prefer cable. But thats cause I like HD :) | 00:26 |
| szakulec | two questions: there appears to be a second or so lag between when I press the arrow key and when it registers on screen- how do I fix this? | 00:28 |
| szakulec | also, why does it say pre-scaling theme images every time? | 00:28 |
| tgm4883_laptop | pre-scaling should be quick the second time it does it | 00:29 |
| szakulec | it is | 00:29 |
| tgm4883_laptop | ok, i think thats cause its checking it | 00:30 |
| tgm4883_laptop | as to the delay, sec | 00:30 |
| tgm4883_laptop | in i believe ~/.lircrc there should be a delay amount. You should be able to reduce this to get better response | 00:31 |
| tgm4883_laptop | or | 00:32 |
| tgm4883_laptop | it could be you dont have the proprietary drivers installed for you vid card | 00:32 |
| tgm4883_laptop | or it could be your computer isn't beefy enough | 00:32 |
| wilberfan | how do i restart the myth backend once i've quit out of it to get back to the xfce desktop? | 01:44 |
| wilberfan | rebooting doesn't restart it (maybe the session is getting saved at logout?) | 01:44 |
| wilberfan | it's driving me nuts! | 01:44 |
| bluec_ | depends on your distro. in (*)buntu: | 01:45 |
| wilberfan | it's mythbuntu gutsy | 01:45 |
| bluec_ | cmd: sudo /etc/init.d/mythtvbackend restart | 01:45 |
| bluec_ | buntu = goodness. | 01:45 |
| wilberfan | gawd!! i probably could have figured that out, if i'd thought about it... | 01:45 |
| wilberfan | let's see if it works! | 01:45 |
| wilberfan | ;) | 01:45 |
| bluec_ | typo there, you need a hyphen. | 01:46 |
| bluec_ | sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart | 01:46 |
| wilberfan | oh, good... it wasn't working... | 01:48 |
| wilberfan | brb | 01:48 |
| levander | I'm getting about 1/2 an hour per Gig of storage with SDTV. Is that about right, or can I optimize it down pretty good? | 01:50 |
| bluec_ | you're one step further than me. i just got stdef working tonight but no audio so far. | 01:50 |
| levander | bluec_: What sound card you got? | 01:51 |
| bluec_ | adventurous, hvr-950. | 01:51 |
| bluec_ | got HD to work, but don't have the horsepower to play it back. working on ntsc/cable now. | 01:51 |
| levander | bluec_: I thought you said you had stdef working? | 01:52 |
| bluec_ | got video, don't have audio. | 01:52 |
| bluec_ | appears to be a common problem on the hvr-950 | 01:53 |
| wilberfan | ok, this is infuriating... | 01:53 |
| bluec_ | ? | 01:53 |
| wilberfan | why is it that suddenly i can no longer connect to the backend?! | 01:53 |
| wilberfan | it's happened more than once.... | 01:53 |
| wilberfan | the /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart indicated it IS running.... | 01:54 |
| levander | bluec_: lemme log back into a IRC client that supports copy and paste, and I can give you a link to the best sound guide I've found for Ubuntu, it just covers all the basics well. | 01:54 |
| wilberfan | but i get that $%$&# message about not being able to connect to it... | 01:54 |
| wilberfan | it was working 20 minutes ago!! | 01:54 |
| bluec_ | ps -eaf | grep -i back | 01:54 |
| levander | bluec_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449&highlight=comprehensive+sound | 01:55 |
| levander | Actually, this link is a little less annoying: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449 | 01:55 |
| levander | Doesn't have the highlighting for the search phrase | 01:55 |
| bluec_ | i'll take a look. audio is working otherwise (cd's), but so far no audio off /dev/dsp1 when tuned to a TV channel | 01:56 |
| levander | What about 1/2 hour per GB of storage, is that a good ratio, or can I optimize it down pretty good if I research it. | 01:56 |
| wilberfan | and if I "can't connect" to backend...why can I watch videos? | 01:56 |
| levander | bluec_: You've checked your alsa mixer? The channel that has TV sound could just be muted. | 01:57 |
| wilberfan | what's happening to make "Watch TV" fail like that....?? | 01:57 |
| levander | wilberfan: I've seen that for "Watch TV" when I didn't have my tuner card (aka capture card) configured correctly. | 01:57 |
| levander | wilberfan: I had it decoding video with the wrong codec in the setup. | 01:58 |
| wilberfan | this has happened 3 or 4 times today... I even re-installed TWICE cuz I got so frustrated!! | 01:58 |
| wilberfan | levander: what would make the config suddenly CHANGE?! | 01:58 |
| wilberfan | levander: it was working fine... | 01:58 |
| levander | wilberfan: No idea, apparently though, reinstall isn't gonna cut it. You need to find what the problem was. | 01:58 |
| wilberfan | i'm hip to that now!! | 01:59 |
| wilberfan | :| | 01:59 |
| levander | Have you been searching the mailing list for answers? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/ | 01:59 |
| wilberfan | is there something i'm supposed to run AFTER i change settings? | 01:59 |
| levander | Search on the error message, not your description of the problem. | 02:00 |
| levander | wilberfan: Make sure you go all the way to the end of the dialogs where you can change stuff. E.g., keep clicking "Next" till you get to a "Finish". You've been doing that? | 02:00 |
| levander | wilberfan: Those dialogs (screens) are like wizards that you have to complete all the way through. | 02:01 |
| wilberfan | yes... (where there IS a finish). I meant am I supposed to run mythfilldatabase (or whatever it is) each time, or...? | 02:01 |
| levander | wilberfan: ummm, i'd only run mythfilldatabase if you've changed something that affects the channel lineup | 02:01 |
| levander | I've been playing with Setup quite a bit (just got up and running myself) and I've never run mythfilldatabase afterwards. | 02:02 |
| wilberfan | now none of the config dialog's "take" because it says it can't connect to the backend... | 02:02 |
| wilberfan | but i'm trying to connect through the frontend... | 02:02 |
| levander | wilberfan: If you've been playing with MythTV Setup, the configuration probably didn't change on its own to stop "Watch TV" from working... | 02:02 |
| levander | wilberfan: What do you mean "take"? | 02:03 |
| wilberfan | i go through all the screens, and when I select 'finish' it says it can't connect... | 02:03 |
| levander | wilberfan: is mythbackend running? | 02:03 |
| wilberfan | another big headache is that the display is only on the tv-out--which is in the next room!!! | 02:03 |
| wilberfan | levander: the last time i ran 'restart' it said it was... | 02:04 |
| levander | wilberfan: In mythfronted, you have to configure it to tell the frontend where the backend is. Like the backend's IP address. | 02:04 |
| wilberfan | 127.0.0.1, right? i=t | 02:04 |
| bluec_ | lavender - is mythtvbackend listening on tcp ports? example: | 02:04 |
| levander | wilberfan: 'ps -ef | grep myth' - see if there's a mythbackend in there | 02:04 |
| wilberfan | it's all on one machine.... | 02:04 |
| bluec_ | sudo netstat -tanp | grep myth | 02:04 |
| bluec_ | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6543 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 8421/mythbackend | 02:04 |
| bluec_ | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6544 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 8421/mythbackend | 02:04 |
| levander | wilberfan: yes for 127.0.0.1, if the frontend and backend are running on the same machine | 02:04 |
| wilberfan | levander: i have to drag the mouse and keyboard into the next room to do that...! | 02:04 |
| levander | wilberfan: 127.0.0.1 just means localhost | 02:04 |
| wilberfan | it's SO annoying... | 02:04 |
| bluec_ | no ssh for you? | 02:05 |
| wilberfan | is 'localhost' the exact equiv of 127....? can it be one or the other? | 02:05 |
| levander | wilberfan: 'sudo apt-get openssh-server' and you can just ssh into it | 02:05 |
| superm1 | if mythbackend isn't running, checkout /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log | 02:05 |
| superm1 | it is most indicative of what you did that broke things | 02:05 |
| superm1 | the most common cause is permissions | 02:05 |
| wilberfan | levander: openssh into what? | 02:05 |
| superm1 | on the recordings directory | 02:05 |
| levander | wilberfan: well, localhost is the name, and 127.0.0.1 is the IP address. But, localhost maps to 127.0.0.1 via DNS and vice versa. | 02:05 |
| levander | wilberfan: Into your box in the other room. | 02:06 |
| levander | wilberfan: 'sudo apt-get install openssh-server' on the machine that doesn't have full-time mouse and keyboard | 02:06 |
| wilberfan | levander: no, here's the setup... The box and it's monitor is in the kitchen. I have an s-video cable running from the Geforce 5200 into the next room where the TV is... | 02:07 |
| levander | lol @ s-video cable running into the kitchen | 02:07 |
| wilberfan | the display for mythtv ONLY shows up on the TV (in the next room), so to perform ANY functions, i have to drag the mouse and keyboard in there... | 02:07 |
| levander | wilberfan: So, i that's the setup, why does the box in the kitchen have no mouse and keyboard? | 02:07 |
| wilberfan | it DOES | 02:07 |
| levander | wilberfan: No, you can ssh into the box in the kitchen from the computer you are looking at now. | 02:08 |
| wilberfan | but the only working DISPLAY is in the next room | 02:08 |
| levander | wilberfan: Or, you can install mythfrontend on the computer you're in now | 02:08 |
| wilberfan | levander: i'm not sure you're getting it yet.... | 02:08 |
| levander | wilberfan: you know what a command prompt is, yes? | 02:09 |
| wilberfan | the computer in the kitchen is the computer that mythtv is running on... | 02:09 |
| wilberfan | it's only the display that's in the next room... | 02:09 |
| levander | wilberfan: if you ssh (secure shell) into a box, you get a command prompt running on a remote machine that shows up on your local machine | 02:09 |
| wilberfan | the remote and local machine are the same! | 02:09 |
| levander | wilberfan: Understand? | 02:09 |
| wilberfan | yes i do...but i don't think you do yet.... | 02:09 |
| levander | wilberfan: What computer are you using now? ssh from the machien you are on now, into this machien that has it's monitor in the kitchen | 02:10 |
| wilberfan | ok. let's start over. | 02:10 |
| wilberfan | imagine the computer you're typing on now had it's monitor in the next room.... | 02:10 |
| wilberfan | THAT's what i'm dealing with here.... | 02:11 |
| levander | wilberfan: well then, how do you see what I'm typing? | 02:11 |
| levander | wilberfan: Do you have binoculars? | 02:11 |
| wilberfan | No...i have to take the keyboard and mouse into the next room! | 02:11 |
| levander | wilberfan: you do that to see what I'm typing? | 02:11 |
| levander | why not just keep the mouse and keyboard into the next room? | 02:11 |
| wilberfan | right now i'm irc'ing on a DIFFERENT computer.... | 02:12 |
| levander | wilberfan: exactly! | 02:12 |
| wilberfan | lol | 02:12 |
| levander | wilberfan: ssh from the DIFFERENT computer into the computer that has it's monitor in the kitchen | 02:12 |
| wilberfan | rofl | 02:12 |
| wilberfan | more detail: | 02:12 |
| wilberfan | i have two computers | 02:13 |
| wilberfan | they're BOTH in the kitchen. | 02:13 |
| levander | wilberfan: then, you get a command prompt on the DIFFERENT computer that is running on the kitchen monitor computer | 02:13 |
| wilberfan | they share ONE keyboard and mouse. | 02:13 |
| levander | wilberfan: who's on first? | 02:13 |
| wilberfan | one of those computers has mythtv front and backend on it | 02:13 |
| levander | and the other has IRC on it? | 02:13 |
| wilberfan | when the mythtv computer boots up--it's display doesn't show on the monitor--it shows in the TV in the next room... | 02:13 |
| levander | wilberfan: yeah, so? | 02:14 |
| levander | wilberfan: I just said to check if mythbackend is running, you can do that via ssh. | 02:14 |
| wilberfan | so..........i have to take the keyboard and mouse into the next room to do any configuring.... | 02:14 |
| wilberfan | and you're saying ssh from machine 1 to machine 2.... | 02:14 |
| wilberfan | whew | 02:14 |
| levander | wilberfan: just ssh from 1 to 2 to see if mythbackend is running | 02:14 |
| levander | wilberfan: not to configure Myth | 02:14 |
| levander | wilberfan: to configure Myth, stopping running around with the keyboard and mouse | 02:15 |
| levander | wilberfan: bring the kitchen monitor into the room you are in now | 02:15 |
| levander | wilberfan: you will never get it working otherwise | 02:15 |
| wilberfan | ok. let's move on. | 02:15 |
| wilberfan | what's the best way to check if the backend is running? | 02:16 |
| levander | wilberfan: 'ps -ef | grep myth' - see if mythbackend is in the output | 02:16 |
| levander | wilberfan: you can ssh into the remote box to run that command | 02:16 |
| wilberfan | how, exactly, do i do that? | 02:16 |
| wilberfan | i don't remember the command | 02:17 |
| levander | wilberfan: on the remote machine 'sudo apt-get install openssh-server' on the local machine, 'ssh <user@kitchenmonitorcomp>' | 02:17 |
| levander | wilberfan: you have to run around with the keyboard/mouse to run 'sudo apt-get install openssh-server' | 02:17 |
| levander | But, after you do that, you can 'sudo apt-get <package>' to your heart's content remotely. | 02:18 |
| superm1 | actually isn't ssh installed by the default install? | 02:19 |
| superm1 | i thought i had enabled it for that | 02:19 |
| levander | superm1: no | 02:19 |
| superm1 | o | 02:19 |
| superm1 | oh yeah samba is | 02:19 |
| superm1 | ssh isnt | 02:19 |
| wilberfan | openssh-server is already installed.... | 02:19 |
| levander | superm1: no open ports by default, security policy | 02:19 |
| superm1 | levander, well mythbuntu is a bit different | 02:19 |
| levander | superm1: ssh is installed by default | 02:19 |
| MythbuntuGuest05 | I have a question about a HDTV qam tuner supported | 02:19 |
| levander | superm1: i stand corrected | 02:19 |
| superm1 | levander, yeah i thought i had activated that for install | 02:19 |
| superm1 | :) | 02:20 |
| superm1 | levander, that is the default security policy for ubuntu however | 02:20 |
| superm1 | you are correct there | 02:20 |
| wilberfan | host key verification failed... | 02:20 |
| levander | superm1: I could see making exceptions to that security policy for Mythbuntu, but I wouldn't overdo the exceptions... | 02:20 |
| MythbuntuGuest05 | Hauppage 1800 MCE kit qam/atsc/ntsc? is it support or will 8.04 support it? | 02:20 |
| levander | wilberfan: just say yes to that 'host key verification' message | 02:21 |
| levander | wilberfan: that happens the 1st time you ssh into a box | 02:21 |
| wilberfan | it's not giving me a yes or no options | 02:21 |
| superm1 | MythbuntuGuest05, i'm not too sure on that hardware | 02:21 |
| levander | wilberfan: it just means the ssh client doesn't know the remote machine, yet | 02:21 |
| superm1 | wilberfan, have you tried to ssh into a previous install? | 02:21 |
| levander | wilberfan: it gets to know it the 1st time you ssh into it | 02:21 |
| wilberfan | it just failed and gave me a prompt back... | 02:21 |
| superm1 | if so then rm ~/.ssh/known_hosts | 02:21 |
| superm1 | on your remote machine | 02:21 |
| MythbuntuGuest05 | not showing it on the list its a new card | 02:21 |
| superm1 | MythbuntuGuest05, check out linuxtv.org | 02:21 |
| superm1 | and see if its listed there at all | 02:21 |
| wilberfan | can't i delete the known_hosts and start over? | 02:21 |
| superm1 | wilberfan, that's what i said :) | 02:22 |
| wilberfan | lol | 02:22 |
| wilberfan | i see that now.... | 02:22 |
| superm1 | MythbuntuGuest05, or even better, try it and let everyone know if it worked for you :) | 02:22 |
| wilberfan | $ ps -ef | grep myth | 02:23 |
| wilberfan | 1000 5373 5342 0 17:41 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/share/mythbuntu/session.sh | 02:23 |
| wilberfan | 1000 5376 1 0 17:41 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/share/mythbuntu/session.sh | 02:23 |
| wilberfan | 1000 5702 5685 0 18:23 pts/1 00:00:00 grep myth | 02:23 |
| wilberfan | what is that telling us? | 02:23 |
| superm1 | wilberfan, so the backend isn't running | 02:23 |
| superm1 | like i said before look at your log file | 02:23 |
| wilberfan | [sigh] it's NOT? | 02:23 |
| superm1 | <superm1> if mythbackend isn't running, checkout /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log | 02:24 |
| superm1 | <superm1> it is most indicative of what you did that broke things | 02:24 |
| superm1 | <superm1> the most common cause is permissions | 02:24 |
| wilberfan | where, exactly does it indicate it's not running? | 02:24 |
| superm1 | you would have had an entry like this: | 02:24 |
| superm1 | mythtv 22816 1 4 18:47 ? 00:04:27 /usr/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid --noupnp | 02:24 |
| superm1 | if it was | 02:24 |
| wilberfan | permissions... maybe 'wilberfan' changed 'mythtv' settings?? | 02:25 |
| superm1 | permissions usually meaning the recordings directory | 02:25 |
| superm1 | if you changed where it is at | 02:25 |
| wilberfan | i probably did.... | 02:25 |
| superm1 | and it can't be written to by the daemon user, 'mythtv' | 02:25 |
| superm1 | like i said | 02:25 |
| superm1 | look at that log | 02:25 |
| wilberfan | which log? | 02:25 |
| superm1 | it tells you *exactly* why the backend couldn't launch | 02:25 |
| superm1 | <superm1> <superm1> if mythbackend isn't running, checkout /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log | 02:25 |
| wilberfan | "permission denied" | 02:26 |
| superm1 | look at it with sudo then | 02:26 |
| levander | superm1: yeah, you're permissions are weird, you should be able to read (not write) mythbackend.log by default | 02:28 |
| wilberfan | sudo: /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log: command not found | 02:28 |
| superm1 | levander, yeah you are able to | 02:28 |
| superm1 | if you are in the mythtv group | 02:28 |
| superm1 | wilberfan, you need to use an editor or line reader | 02:28 |
| levander | wilberfan: just 'less /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log' | 02:28 |
| superm1 | such as nano or cat | 02:28 |
| levander | wilberfan: 'less' is a file reader, you view text files in it | 02:28 |
| bluec_ | anyone have a remote recommendation? I need to control mythtv, receiver, and and TV. better to use one programmable/lerning remote or irblaster setup? | 02:29 |
| wilberfan | ok...there's hundreds of lines of text here...what am i looking for? | 02:30 |
| levander | wilberfan: type a '>' to go to the end of the file | 02:30 |
| bluec_ | levandar, does http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ work so he could paste the log there? | 02:30 |
| levander | wilberfan: at the end of the file, it says anything about an error | 02:31 |
| wilberfan | /media/sdb1//nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied | 02:31 |
| wilberfan | Unable to open lockfile! | 02:31 |
| wilberfan | Be sure that '/media/sdb1/' exists and that both | 02:31 |
| wilberfan | the directory and that file are writeable by this user. | 02:31 |
| wilberfan | :| | 02:31 |
| superm1 | like i said | 02:31 |
| superm1 | permissions | 02:31 |
| levander | superm1: could the lock file be left open by a previous run of mythbackend? maybe he should just delete the lock file? | 02:31 |
| superm1 | its not just the lock file | 02:31 |
| superm1 | its that it can't be modified | 02:32 |
| superm1 | you need to make sure that the owner of /media/sdb1 is mythtv:mythtv | 02:32 |
| superm1 | sudo chown mythtv:mythtv -R /media/sdb1 | 02:32 |
| levander | superm1: okay, i had to ask you because i'm not sure how that lock file works | 02:32 |
| superm1 | if you want to use that for your recordings directory | 02:32 |
| wilberfan | sdb1 is an NTFS partition--will that make a difference?? | 02:32 |
| * superm1 shrugs | 02:32 | |
| superm1 | well you sure like to complicate things here | 02:32 |
| wilberfan | no, i DON'T actually! | 02:32 |
| superm1 | :) | 02:33 |
| wilberfan | :| | 02:33 |
| levander | Gutsy was supposed to ship with good NTFS file system handling, I'd guess no. | 02:33 |
| superm1 | does it have to be ntfs? | 02:33 |
| wilberfan | no, it doesn't..... | 02:33 |
| levander | But, in the past, yes, NTFS would definitely have made a difference. | 02:33 |
| wilberfan | i was thinking of reformatting it ext3, btw... | 02:33 |
| levander | I haven't tried it in Gutsy though. | 02:33 |
| superm1 | well the thing is that gutsy ships good ntfs file system support, only when you are using it for user level stuff | 02:33 |
| wilberfan | shall i pick another partition...see if that makes a diff?? | 02:33 |
| superm1 | because permissions are more irrelevant | 02:33 |
| superm1 | could you make it something a little more unix permissions friendly | 02:33 |
| superm1 | like xfs | 02:33 |
| superm1 | or jfs | 02:33 |
| superm1 | or pick another partition? | 02:34 |
| levander | I'm getting 1/2 hour per GB of storage with SDTV. Is that pretty good, or can I optimize it down quite a bit? | 02:34 |
| andr3www | hi | 02:34 |
| superm1 | levander, that's pretty good | 02:34 |
| wilberfan | superm1: i can definitely pick another partition.... | 02:34 |
| superm1 | whatever you end up doing, the most important thing is that the owner is mythtv:mythtv | 02:34 |
| superm1 | so if you continue to use ntfs, you have to mount it as the mythtv user | 02:34 |
| levander | superm1: Damn, that means I need a new hard disk. An 80 GB isn't going to cut it. | 02:34 |
| andr3www | I'm trying to diagnose my channels listing but I get unreadable text in my channels.conf: | 02:35 |
| andr3www | cat /home/andrew/.azap/channels.conf | 02:35 |
| andr3www | WUTV-HD�:473028615:8VSB:49:52:3 | 02:35 |
| wilberfan | how should i proceed from here? | 02:35 |
| wilberfan | what's the first thing I should do? | 02:35 |
| wilberfan | (other than go strangle something) | 02:35 |
| superm1 | wilberfan, well that's up to you. if you are going to wipe this partition | 02:35 |
| superm1 | then open up a partition editor such as gparted | 02:35 |
| superm1 | wipe it | 02:35 |
| superm1 | and format it xfs | 02:35 |
| superm1 | and then chown it and continue | 02:35 |
| wilberfan | no, i'd rather pick another partition... just to see if that makes a diff... | 02:35 |
| superm1 | well it will as long as its friendly to unix permissions | 02:35 |
| superm1 | and lets you set the owner of it to be mythtv | 02:36 |
| levander | wilberfan: gparted, format the new partition, then make sure the new partition is mounted with correct permissions | 02:36 |
| levander | superm1: ext3 isn't friendly to unix permissions? | 02:36 |
| superm1 | levander, yes but not to mythtv recordings | 02:36 |
| wilberfan | i don't want to use sdb1 for right now...; i'd rather try one of the existing ext3's... | 02:36 |
| levander | superm1: You do some detailed stuff with permissions in Myth? | 02:36 |
| superm1 | because deleting large files with ext3 blocks the cpu | 02:36 |
| levander | wilberfan: Do you have other stuff on these existing ext3's? | 02:37 |
| wilberfan | levander: yes... | 02:37 |
| superm1 | levander, well just the daemon user, mythtv needs to have the permissions to write to the directory | 02:37 |
| superm1 | nothing fancy | 02:37 |
| levander | superm1: Ah, what's the best filesystem then for the recordings directory? | 02:37 |
| superm1 | xfs | 02:37 |
| superm1 | is what i recommend | 02:37 |
| superm1 | some people like to push jfs | 02:37 |
| superm1 | but just stay away from reiser and ext3 if you can | 02:38 |
| levander | superm1: You know, I said that on the Ars forums, XFS. Then like 5 people jumped on me and said I was stupid. Idiots. | 02:38 |
| superm1 | what did they say? | 02:38 |
| levander | superm1: Do you just run XFS for MythTV recordings, or for everything? Like, even '/'? | 02:38 |
| wilberfan | how do i exit from 'less', btw? | 02:38 |
| levander | wilberfan: 'q' | 02:38 |
| superm1 | levander, i only use it for recordings and media | 02:38 |
| superm1 | levander, for my root filesystem i stick with ext3 | 02:38 |
| levander | wilberfan: Since you don't know 'less' already, maybe you're better off disconnecting from the remote machine, 'ssh -X <user>@<remote>' and then on the remote machine type 'xtoolwait gedit'. | 02:39 |
| levander | wilberfan: That gives you a GUI editor, running on the remote machine, with direct access to the files on the remote machine. | 02:40 |
| levander | superm1: Is there a technical reason for sticking with ext3, or is it just laziness? | 02:40 |
| superm1 | levander, well journaling is a good idea to have | 02:41 |
| superm1 | levander, on more important things like a root file system | 02:41 |
| levander | superm1: Oh, I thought XFS had journaling. | 02:41 |
| superm1 | levander, it does, but it also doesn't cleanly handle recovering that journal | 02:41 |
| superm1 | in the event of a bad shut down | 02:41 |
| levander | superm1: This, I didn't not know. Thanks. | 02:41 |
| superm1 | levander, i've lost things in the past on a root xfs file system | 02:42 |
| superm1 | levander, and mythtv recordings are of a lower priority | 02:42 |
| levander | superm1: I bet you learned quick at that point that you can't recover from an XFS journal. | 02:42 |
| superm1 | levander, well there are "supposed" to be ways to recover | 02:42 |
| superm1 | levander, but i had piss poor luck with it | 02:42 |
| superm1 | so i've kept ext3 for all root filesystems since then | 02:43 |
| levander | superm1: Plus, the journal probably eats a lot of room for something like Myth recordings... | 02:43 |
| levander | superm1: You know, I've never had to go to my journal to recover anything. | 02:43 |
| superm1 | well i dont know how much the journal really takes up space wise | 02:43 |
| superm1 | i've never had to investigate that | 02:43 |
| levander | superm1: And, I don't have my PC hooked up to a UPS, and I have brown-outs. | 02:43 |
| levander | superm1: Yeah, I'm just guessing, I don't know. | 02:43 |
| levander | wilberfan: How you coming with gedit? | 02:44 |
| wilberfan | i just dragged the keyboard and mouse into the next room to change the recording partition | 02:45 |
| wilberfan | that didn't seem to help | 02:45 |
| levander | wilberfan: you could have changed the permissions via ssh | 02:45 |
| superm1 | wilberfan, make sure the new one has the correct permissions too | 02:45 |
| wilberfan | what's that command again? | 02:45 |
| levander | wilberfan: 'ssh -X <user>@<remote-machine-name>' | 02:46 |
| wilberfan | no, i got that one... | 02:46 |
| wilberfan | the chown one... | 02:46 |
| levander | wilberfan: can you search backwards in your IRC client? | 02:46 |
| levander | this is just what superm1 typed above: 'sudo chown mythtv:mythtv -R /media/sdb1' | 02:47 |
| wilberfan | does the "R" take care of all the sub-folders? | 02:48 |
| wilberfan | "recursive"? | 02:48 |
| levander | Yes | 02:48 |
| levander | recursive, yes | 02:48 |
| wilberfan | might as well change the entire partition, right? | 02:48 |
| levander | superm1: I have no idea, you know? | 02:49 |
| wilberfan | no prob there? | 02:49 |
| levander | superm1: From the command, I'd guess yes wilberfan. | 02:49 |
| superm1 | well it depends if you are using anythign else on there | 02:49 |
| wilberfan | superm1: what do you mean? | 02:49 |
| superm1 | from the way you described things, it sounded like you were using the partition just for recordings | 02:49 |
| wilberfan | i already have videos there i'd like to watch, too... | 02:49 |
| superm1 | well you should make subdirectories then | 02:50 |
| superm1 | one for recordings | 02:50 |
| superm1 | and one for videos | 02:50 |
| wilberfan | because....? | 02:50 |
| superm1 | videos should be permissions of whatever user you use to put them there | 02:50 |
| superm1 | recordings should be the mythtv user | 02:50 |
| wilberfan | ah... | 02:50 |
| wilberfan | ok, i now have a /media/sdb5/recording with mythtv as the owner... now i can try changing the mythtv config, yes? | 02:52 |
| wilberfan | (i really appreciate your help with this stuff, guys... i've been at this all day...and I'm kinda frazzled!) | 02:53 |
| superm1 | yes | 02:54 |
| levander | wilberfan: You're diving into Linux head first, good for you. | 02:55 |
| wilberfan | it's telling me that directory is "not writable"! | 02:55 |
| wilberfan | yeah, head first--without a helmet!! | 02:56 |
| wilberfan | "it's"= the backend setup screens | 02:56 |
| KLIMAUDIO | is it possible to pass audio over HDMI in linux? | 02:56 |
| wilberfan | did this command not make it writable?: sudo chown mythtv:mythtv -R /media/sdb5/recording | 02:57 |
| superm1 | wilberfan, no big deal | 02:58 |
| superm1 | ignore the warning right there | 02:58 |
| wilberfan | (easy for HIM to say!) | 02:58 |
| superm1 | as long as you really changed the permissions it won't matter | 02:58 |
| wilberfan | so i select the "No, i know what i am doing" option? | 02:58 |
| wilberfan | lol | 02:58 |
| superm1 | KLIMAUDIO, depends on the vendor of the hdmi output that you have | 02:58 |
| superm1 | wilberfan, yeah | 02:58 |
| wilberfan | (even though i don't!) | 02:58 |
| wilberfan | lol | 02:58 |
| superm1 | wilberfan, that is something we should take care of though (that warning) | 02:58 |
| wilberfan | HOLY CRAPSICLES!!! MY LIVETV IS WORKING AGAIN!!! | 02:59 |
| superm1 | :) | 03:00 |
| superm1 | permissions permissions permissions | 03:00 |
| superm1 | those problems never seem to go away :) | 03:00 |
| wilberfan | So, the lesson here... is to make sure the recording directory is owned by--specifically--mythtv?! | 03:00 |
| superm1 | yes. | 03:01 |
| wilberfan | it is SUCH a relief to get that fixed... i'd worked myself into quite a GeekSnit | 03:01 |
| wilberfan | i owe someone(s) a reach-around or something.... | 03:01 |
| wilberfan | ;) | 03:01 |
| superm1 | all we ask is that you spread the help that you got :) | 03:01 |
| wilberfan | if i can help--i will--trust me! | 03:02 |
| levander | In this sentence, what does RW mean? "But, by hooking an IR blaster to your Myth box, you can send RF commands | 03:02 |
| levander | to the Myth box via the RW and it can send IR commands to other | 03:02 |
| levander | devices--thereby, you control your other devices using only the RW." | 03:02 |
| superm1 | the more people to help with problems the better | 03:02 |
| KLIMAUDIO | superm1....I haven't purchased anything yet....I'm thinking about a motherboard with onboard HDMI | 03:02 |
| superm1 | levander, i'm not sure, what is the context? | 03:02 |
| levander | wilberfan: How long you been using Linux? | 03:02 |
| KLIMAUDIO | any ideas on a product...thinking of AMD based mobo | 03:02 |
| wilberfan | levander: you're going to totally wet yourself if i tell you.... | 03:03 |
| levander | superm1: It's a thread on the mailing list where they're talking about what remote control to use with Myth. | 03:03 |
| superm1 | KLIMAUDIO, can't comment too much on such things. no experience myself | 03:03 |
| levander | wilberfan: 1 week? | 03:03 |
| wilberfan | levander: August 2006 | 03:03 |
| wilberfan | [blushes] | 03:03 |
| superm1 | levander, i'm not really sure what is meant by that | 03:03 |
| levander | KLIMAUDIO: I've seen people brag about onboard HDMI. I'd check the mailing list for comments. | 03:04 |
| wilberfan | the more holes i fall into, the more i learn--but it sure can bruise things up in the process! | 03:04 |
| levander | superm1: I might email the guy who wrote that post. From the description, it sounds like he's on to something. But, I don't know what he's describing. | 03:04 |
| levander | wilberfan: August 2006 is still pretty new. There's a lot to UNIX. | 03:05 |
| levander | wilberfan: Configuring Myth (unless you do the vast majority of the stuff just by the defaults) isn't that easy. | 03:05 |
| wilberfan | well, thanks for not laughing at me TOO loud... and, amen! yes, the penquin is more complicated than he looks at first glance!! | 03:05 |
| wilberfan | levander: i'm discovering that!!! | 03:05 |
| superm1 | wilberfan, as a few more words of advice | 03:06 |
| wilberfan | yes, please...advice!! | 03:06 |
| andr3www | Hi | 03:06 |
| superm1 | the default recordings directory (/var/lib/mythtv/recordings) has the permissions set properly | 03:06 |
| andr3www | My Mythbuntu no longer boots | 03:06 |
| levander | wilberfan: People who are talking about putthing their moms on Linux are idiots. Ubuntu makes it lots easier to do that, but unless you wanna be your Mom's unpaid admin... | 03:06 |
| superm1 | so that is why most people don't run into issues, but the ones that change the directory | 03:06 |
| superm1 | that is why this is common enough | 03:06 |
| wilberfan | ROFL! that's exactly what i am--and she's running OSX! | 03:06 |
| wilberfan | i actually got VNC running so i didn't have to run over there every 5 minutes.... | 03:07 |
| KLIMAUDIO | Using an HDMI output from a motherboard to pass 8 channels of 24/192 audio would be awesome....I was thinking of doing this to feed a Pannasonic receiver that uses no D/A converters.. | 03:07 |
| superm1 | levander, well the idea is that you don't need to admin them as much as you did on windows | 03:07 |
| levander | wilberfan: You're talking about putting your mom on Linux? What are you? | 03:07 |
| superm1 | levander, which i can say i'm glad i switched my mom over | 03:07 |
| wilberfan | levander: no... mom's staying on OSX!! | 03:07 |
| levander | superm1: I don't admin my mom at all on Windows. | 03:07 |
| superm1 | levander, i had to all the time | 03:07 |
| superm1 | levander, and it got very annoying | 03:07 |
| levander | superm1: Win98, or Windows XP? Win98, yeah, you had to be admin. | 03:07 |
| superm1 | levander, no she was on xp | 03:07 |
| superm1 | levander, and when i say admin, i mean cleaning up after her breaking things | 03:08 |
| wilberfan | the only reason i didn't leave the recording directory as the default--is that mythbuntu is only installed on a 9.7 GB partition.... | 03:08 |
| levander | superm1: Well, I'm curious what problems she had, but that could be a long discussion... | 03:08 |
| levander | superm1: Yeah, exactly. That's what an admin does, fix broken things. What did she break? | 03:08 |
| superm1 | levander, like you said a longer discussion than i want to go into right now | 03:08 |
| levander | superm1: Yeah. | 03:09 |
| superm1 | i do have some other things to attend to this evening, so you guys have a good night :) | 03:09 |
| wilberfan | superm1: thanks SO MUCH for your help.... | 03:09 |
| wilberfan | i might have given up otherwise..... | 03:09 |
| wilberfan | seriously, dude....good job. | 03:09 |
| levander | You know, a neighbor of mine says he broke his sister's iMac. He brought it into an Apple Store and they fixed it for free. I wonder if he got lucky, or if they do that for everyone. | 03:09 |
| levander | That's why I don't recommend Mac's to neighbor's. There's no one they can mooch support off of. | 03:09 |
| wilberfan | levander: you too...thanks for getting me through this... | 03:09 |
| wilberfan | ...i'm probably a teensy bit over my head here... | 03:10 |
| wilberfan | ...i like linux challenges--as long as they're not TOO steep.... | 03:10 |
| levander | wilberfan: superm1 did most of it, you realize he's one of the developers? Not many pieces of software can you get support directly from the developer for. | 03:10 |
| wilberfan | (then i end up just wanting to chuck things out into the yard...) | 03:10 |
| levander | wilberfan: Try getting developer support from Microsoft... | 03:10 |
| wilberfan | oh, i know! | 03:10 |
| wilberfan | do you know konversation? is there a way to save this discussion? | 03:12 |
| levander | wilberfan: #kubuntu - i don't know | 03:14 |
| wilberfan | the only other thing pissing me off about mythtv right now is that the channel up and down button on my remote perform a different function... | 03:15 |
| wilberfan | you know anything about hauppauge remotes?! | 03:15 |
| levander | wilberfan: I'm researching how to install a new remote for me now. | 03:16 |
| levander | wilberfan: HOld on, I just saw a wiki page about that... | 03:16 |
| levander | wilberfan: I'd look at this page and see if it's what you need: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Customized_Remote_Control_Keys | 03:16 |
| wilberfan | cool! | 03:16 |
| wilberfan | muchas gracias, dude... | 03:17 |
| levander | wilberfan: Before you do something like change the directory you store your recordings too, I'd look for doc's on how to do it before you do it. | 03:17 |
| levander | wilberfan: Much easier that way. | 03:17 |
| levander | wilberfan: Although, you can overdo the whole looking for docs thing... | 03:17 |
| levander | wilberfan: It's a balance, looking for docs and just trying stuff. | 03:17 |
| wilberfan | yeah...at some point--sometimes--you learn more faster by just trying things out.... | 03:18 |
| wilberfan | exactly... | 03:18 |
| levander | wilberfan: yeah | 03:18 |
| wilberfan | i just lost my balance today, that's all! | 03:18 |
| wilberfan | :) | 03:18 |
| levander | wilberfan: The more you use Linux, the better feel you get for when to look for doc's and when to just try. I still err too much on looking for doc.'s. | 03:18 |
| levander | towards looking for doc's** | 03:19 |
| wilberfan | and i'm probably on the 'just try it' too often... | 03:19 |
| wilberfan | reading ain't as much fun as TRYING! | 03:19 |
| wilberfan | ;) | 03:19 |
| wilberfan | you can read about riding a bike--but at some point, you really need to start pedalin'! | 03:20 |
| wilberfan | ;) | 03:20 |
| wilberfan | (and then pull the thorns out of your ass) | 03:20 |
| levander | an exaggeration, but clever, i'll probably use that one | 03:20 |
| wilberfan | ;) | 03:22 |
| wilberfan | levander: what was that gedit thing you were telling me about? | 03:25 |
| levander | wilberfan: 'ssh -X <user>@<remote-machine>' | 03:30 |
| levander | that enables "X forwarding" over the ssh connection | 03:30 |
| levander | you run the X programs on the remote machine, but they are displayed on the local machine | 03:30 |
| levander | after ssh'ing in, you run 'xtoolwait <prog-name>' | 03:30 |
| levander | And, <prog-name> is displayed on the local machine. | 03:31 |
| levander | You can't quit out of the ssh connection though until all programs you start this way have also been closed. | 03:31 |
| wilberfan | oh...i just did xtoolwait on the remote machine...and gedit opened THERE. | 03:31 |
| levander | It works for GUI applications, don't have to do it for command line tools. | 03:31 |
| levander | wilberfan: did you get into the remote machine via 'ssh -X'? | 03:32 |
| levander | wilberfan: you have to use that '-X' option | 03:32 |
| wilberfan | yeah i just did that... | 03:32 |
| wilberfan | but before i did, i was on the remote machine...to install gedit (apt-get install gedit) | 03:32 |
| levander | wilberfan: 'xtoolwait <prog>' is just a safer way of doing '<prog> &' | 03:32 |
| levander | wilberfan: they just put the program in the background, so you're shell does get held up by the program | 03:33 |
| wilberfan | then while still on the remote machine, i did an xtoolwait gedit..and it opened a gedit window on the remote machine... | 03:33 |
| levander | wilberfan: you have to close ssh, then go back in via 'ssh -X' | 03:33 |
| levander | wilberfan: '-X' enables X Forwarding to the machine you ssh from. | 03:33 |
| wilberfan | xtoolwait: unable to open display (), NOT executing gedit | 03:34 |
| levander | wilberfan: and, you ssh'd in? | 03:34 |
| levander | wilberfan: ssh -X in'd? | 03:34 |
| wilberfan | yes... | 03:34 |
| wilberfan | does gedit have to be installed on the local machine?? | 03:34 |
| levander | maybe it's turned off by default, i don't remember if i had to turn it on or not | 03:35 |
| levander | wilberfan: i don't think so | 03:35 |
| levander | wilberfan: couldn't open display is an X error, not a "couldn't find program" bash error | 03:35 |
| wilberfan | how do you close an ssh session? just exit? | 03:35 |
| wilberfan | "exit"? | 03:35 |
| levander | wilberfan: yes, or Ctrl-D for short | 03:35 |
| levander | wilberfan: on a 'ssh -X' connectiont, 'echo $DISPLAY' and copy the output into this channel | 03:36 |
| wilberfan | maybe it wasn't closed properly...let's try again... | 03:36 |
| levander | wilberfan: is the name of your machine in your bash prompt? that's how I tell what machine the prompt I'm in is from. | 03:36 |
| wilberfan | wilberfan@dell-mythtv:~$ $DISPLAY | 03:36 |
| wilberfan | -bash: localhost:10.0: command not found | 03:36 |
| wilberfan | ? | 03:37 |
| levander | wilberfan: it was 'echo $DISPLAY' but I get the gist from that output | 03:37 |
| levander | wilberfan: the value of DISPLAY is correct | 03:37 |
| levander | wilberfan: DISPLAY is a bash environment variable. The '$' evaluates the variable and gives you the value. 'echo' prints out that value. | 03:38 |
| wilberfan | THERE it goes... | 03:38 |
| levander | what goes? | 03:38 |
| wilberfan | i now have a gedit window open on the local machine.... | 03:38 |
| levander | wilberfan: cool, huh? | 03:38 |
| levander | wilberfan: that's the easy way to access GUI apps on your Myth box. Just don't forget, 'ssh -X' | 03:38 |
| wilberfan | is there a file-browser i could run that way...? | 03:39 |
| wilberfan | the local machine is sidux the remote is mythbuntu... | 03:39 |
| levander | wilberfan: 'nautilus' - or actually, i dunno the name of the XFCE one (which is what comes with Mythbuntu, GNOME comes with Ubuntu). | 03:39 |
| wilberfan | (but what kind of command is 'xtoolwait'?! what does the name mean??) | 03:39 |
| wilberfan | on xfce it's thunar, i think.... | 03:40 |
| levander | wilberfan: google says XFCE's file manager is Thunar... | 03:40 |
| wilberfan | so 'xtoolwait thunar'? | 03:40 |
| levander | wilberfan: 'xtoolwait <prog>' is just a safer way of doing '<prog> &' | 03:40 |
| levander | wilberfan: they just put the program in the background, so you're shell does get held up by the program | 03:40 |
| levander | wilberfan: yes | 03:40 |
| wilberfan | it WORKS! | 03:40 |
| wilberfan | :) | 03:40 |
| levander | wilberfan: 'man xtoolwait' for more info | 03:41 |
| levander | wilberfan: try running a program without the xtoolwait at the beginning and see what happens to your shell prompt | 03:41 |
| levander | wilberfan: that's the best way to explain it | 03:42 |
| wilberfan | i'm a-scared to try that! | 03:42 |
| wilberfan | lol | 03:42 |
| levander | wilberfan: it doesn't hurt anything | 03:42 |
| wilberfan | you don't get the prompt back, huh...? | 03:42 |
| levander | right | 03:43 |
| levander | the shell is running the programming | 03:43 |
| levander | you get the prompt back when the program completes | 03:43 |
| wilberfan | do you know ANYTHING about configuring multiple screens? | 03:43 |
| levander | xtoolwait puts the program in the background, and you get your shell prompt back while the program is running, because the program is running in the background | 03:44 |
| wilberfan | i've been phucking around with mythbuntu since wednesday (?), and at one point i managed to get the myth output to the tv--while having a xfce desktop on the monitor... | 03:44 |
| wilberfan | but when i opened something like firefox on the xfce desktop--the window would open on the tv!! | 03:44 |
| levander | wilberfan: If you're doing TV Out with one of the two screens, follow the 2nd method in this guide (not the TwinView first one): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOut | 03:45 |
| levander | wilberfan: Where you using TwinView when it opened on the TV? | 03:45 |
| wilberfan | i haven't been able to figure out the difference between 'twinview' 'mirror' xinerama, etc...! | 03:45 |
| wilberfan | not sure what you mean by "where"? | 03:46 |
| levander | wilberfan: If you use TwinView, it's all one big giant screen. If you use the 2nd method in that guide I linked to, you have two separate desktops. | 03:46 |
| wilberfan | i would like all the mythtv output (liveTV, video playback, etc) to go to the TV, and all the "computer" stuff to stay on the monitor.... | 03:46 |
| levander | wilberfan: twinview and xinerama do basically the same thing. twinview is nvidia's implementation for nvidia cards and the nvidia driver. xinerama is x.org's implementation and works with all video cards. | 03:47 |
| wilberfan | ahhhh..... | 03:47 |
| wilberfan | am i describing somthing xinerama does?? | 03:47 |
| levander | wilberfan: twinview and xinerama make one big desktop (that shares info between monitors better). 2 separate X screens make two separate desktops - one for each monitor. | 03:47 |
| levander | wilberfan: I think so, I've never used xinerama. | 03:47 |
| levander | wilberfan: Just follow the 2nd method in that guide I linked to. | 03:48 |
| wilberfan | this one?: A more complicated way - Running 2 X-Screens | 03:49 |
| levander | wilberfan: yeah | 03:49 |
| wilberfan | so that method will display the video on the TV, and leave me a desktop to work with on the monitor...? | 03:50 |
| wilberfan | :) | 03:50 |
| levander | wilberfan: you need it for tV out. So that you don't have what happened to you above happen. | 03:50 |
| wilberfan | lol | 03:50 |
| levander | wilberfan: yes | 03:50 |
| wilberfan | you mean the "firefox opened on the tv" scenario.... | 03:50 |
| levander | yeah | 03:50 |
| levander | wilberfan: you could have dragged firefox onto the other monitor, just by dragging it around like regular | 03:51 |
| wilberfan | i tried that--wouldn't leave the TV window.... | 03:51 |
| wilberfan | the pointer wouldn't go any further than the edge of the tv window.... | 03:51 |
| levander | wilberfan: maybe you weren't using Twinview... | 03:51 |
| wilberfan | very frustrating... | 03:51 |
| levander | wilberfan: did you try the other edge? | 03:52 |
| levander | wilberfan: there are two side edges, it only goes off one of the two | 03:52 |
| wilberfan | yeah, i was just "pedaling the bike"--not really sure WHAT i was doing at that point... | 03:52 |
| wilberfan | i'm pretty sure i tried both edges...but maybe not? I had configured the 2nd desktop to be to the right...so i was dragging it that direction... | 03:52 |
| levander | wilberfan: just try again, you've said a few times stuff just doesn't work, then with no explanation, you'll be like "IT WORKED!!!" | 03:53 |
| wilberfan | well, i'm totally spooked at trying to set up two screens again... the last time I tried (remember i said i've reinstalled mythbuntu 3 times today?), i got two screens going, but they were reversed! The myth out put was to the monitor--and the desktop was on the TV! | 03:54 |
| levander | wilberfan: the only file you modify is xorg.conf, just make a copy of it before you change it | 03:55 |
| wilberfan | i was using the onboard nvidia config thing and the ubuntu 'screens' util | 03:55 |
| levander | If you screw it up, just copy your old xorg.conf back over it and restart X. | 03:55 |
| wilberfan | oh, yes...i've done that a LOT in the past! :) | 03:55 |
| wilberfan | i take a copy of my xorg.conf to bed with me--for safe keeping! | 03:56 |
| wilberfan | (kidding) | 03:56 |
| levander | Always do that before you modify X. I've gotten caught a few times not doing it. And, it's saved me after trying for an hour to figure out what I did wrong when I did do it. | 03:56 |
| wilberfan | i may save the two-screen thing for next weekend... | 03:57 |
| levander | not a bad idea, you've done a lot already | 03:59 |
| wilberfan | the sucky thing about xorg, is ONE thing wrong--and it won't start.... | 04:00 |
| wilberfan | argh! | 04:00 |
| levander | wilberfan: and, it doesn't tell you what's wrong, not even what line, it just says "parse error" when you've just got like a random keystroke 'K' on a line it shouldn't be on | 04:01 |
| levander | YOu know about /var/log/Xorg.0.log though don't you? Occasionally I've found stuff in there. | 04:01 |
| wilberfan | oooh. there's a "connectedmonitor" option. wonder if that helps prevent the Firefox Scenario? | 04:01 |
| levander | wilberfan: maybe, i don't think so, it's like if nvidia driver detects the type of monitor hooked up to that screen incorrectly, ConnectedMonitor overrides it. | 04:02 |
| levander | wilberfan: what video card you have? | 04:03 |
| wilberfan | in this box, an nVidia GeForce 5200... | 04:03 |
| wilberfan | (there's a 6600 in the AMD64x2) | 04:03 |
| wilberfan | the hauppauge card is installed in the 5200 box... wanted to get it working on the backup box first.... | 04:04 |
| wilberfan | hey, i think this gives me a root gedit!: xtoolwait gksu gedit | 04:09 |
| wilberfan | :) | 04:09 |
| levander | it does | 04:09 |
| wilberfan | any parting wisdom you'd like to share? I think 12 hours of this is enough for today... | 04:10 |
| wilberfan | ;) | 04:10 |
| levander | wilberfan: no, just keeping getting your hands dirty, that's how you learn with computers | 04:10 |
| wilberfan | i can't seem to stop...it's just too challenging and interesting.. | 04:11 |
| levander | Yeah, you're a geek. | 04:11 |
| wilberfan | ...and sad but true: the more trouble you get into..the more you learn! | 04:11 |
| wilberfan | yep! guilty as charged! | 04:11 |
| wilberfan | i probably average--no lie-4 or 5 hours a day on this stuff.... | 04:11 |
| levander | I do too. Well, lately I have been. | 04:12 |
| wilberfan | thanks again--a ton--for your help today... i was gettin' frantic there... | 04:12 |
| levander | np | 04:12 |
| wilberfan | i would have given up in September of 2006, if not for guys like you! | 04:12 |
| wilberfan | (Dapper did NOT work right-out-of-the-box!!!) | 04:13 |
| wilberfan | God bless 'em, Gutsy is a wonderment.... | 04:13 |
| wilberfan | and i REALLY like Sidux, too.... | 04:13 |
| levander | wilberfan: we get it, you're elated | 04:13 |
| wilberfan | ok. i'll shut up now... | 04:14 |
| wilberfan | thanks again... | 04:14 |
| levander | you don't have to do a Oscar's acceptance speech. | 04:14 |
| wilberfan | hey, i'm excited about this shit... | 04:14 |
| wilberfan | ;) | 04:14 |
| wilberfan | (like you couldn't tell) | 04:14 |
| levander | don't forget to thank your mother! | 04:14 |
| wilberfan | LOL | 04:14 |
| wilberfan | g'nite.... | 04:14 |
| levander | yeah, get som esleep | 04:14 |
| jb | can anyone tell me why I dont have audio from Mythtv even though I have audio on my regular cd or movies | 04:14 |
| levander | take a bath or something first to calm down | 04:15 |
| levander | jb: Have you checked your alsa mixer? Maybe the mixer channel that does audio for the TV is just muted? | 04:15 |
| jb | levander: I did and is not muted, only the line in is muted otherwise will have audio even when log out of myth | 04:18 |
| levander | jb: not sure, i'd search the wiki | 04:18 |
| jb | tried that but there is very limited info | 04:18 |
| BHSPitMonkey | hey all | 04:32 |
| Mersault | Alright, back | 04:48 |
| Dr_willis | Hmm.. Playing some videos but i want to make the mythtv play them all basicially. :) its a bunch of divx videos. There a way to make a playlist? or am i just overlooking somthing obvious.. | 05:02 |
| axscode | hi, just wondering whats the password for ROOT? | 09:59 |
| axscode | can you help me | 10:00 |
| axscode | i have to use the fdisk to repartion my other HD. i need the root | 10:00 |
| axscode | in the livecd. | 10:02 |
| directhex|bsp | there is no root account in ubuntu | 10:23 |
| directhex|bsp | if you want a superuser terminal, use "sudo bash" | 10:23 |
| hugol1 | directhex| there is root account in ubuntu | 10:24 |
| levander | Can you skip commercials while watching live TV? | 10:25 |
| hugol1 | the password is not set-up | 10:25 |
| hugol1 | levander yes | 10:25 |
| levander | hugol1: Didn't seem to be working for me. You hit HOME to skip to the beginning of the next commercial, and END to skip to the end of the next commercial? | 10:25 |
| hugol1 | levander: I have it automatic | 10:26 |
| levander | All right, I'm gonna try again. | 10:26 |
| hugol1 | anyway, you have to be way back for it to work | 10:26 |
| hugol1 | I guess it takes its time to scan the full recording for ads | 10:26 |
| hugol1 | it worked for me when I paused live tv in a movie I was watching and went to pick up my girlfriend at her house | 10:27 |
| directhex|bsp | hugol1, to all intents and purposes there isn't one. you can't log into it, you can't use it, per se | 10:27 |
| directhex|bsp | hugol1, and assorted config files are all set to force the sudo scheme | 10:27 |
| hugol1 | directhex| then how do I do it | 10:27 |
| hugol1 | ? | 10:27 |
| hugol1 | levander I was like an hour behind live tv and then ad skipping worked | 10:28 |
| levander | After you've recorded a program, why does it later have to be transcoded? What is it transcoded to? | 10:28 |
| levander | hugol1: I'm waiting for a commercial to come up on Live TV before I can try it there. | 10:28 |
| levander | I just tried it on a recorded show, it worked. I think. | 10:28 |
| levander | Commercial skipping is flat out not working on Live TV, even though it is on Recorded shows. | 10:48 |
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| Mersault | Hello, I installed the SVN weekly builds last night on mythbuntu 7.10, but mythmusic requires libflac7, which doesn't exist in the repos I have. Is there a repo I can add that has this package? | 19:58 |
| MythbuntuGuest91 | hello I have this problem with my box (I'm a noob). I just installed mythbuntu, and got a hauppauge 150, when I choose "watch tv" I get the message that MythTV is already using all available inputs for the channel I've selected...but I'm not recording anything whats the issue? | 20:15 |
| pdragon | sounds like the backend wasn't fully set up | 20:21 |
| pdragon | make sure you have a video source defined in the backend setup | 20:21 |
| pdragon | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Gutsy_Backend_Frontend_Desktop | 20:22 |
| pdragon | i had that happen myself when i first started and i think that's the step i missed | 20:23 |
| keescook | superm1: uk mirror has had rsync down for the past few days? | 20:42 |
| tgm4883_laptop | keescook, yep | 20:48 |
| tgm4883_laptop | afaik, the whole box is down | 20:48 |
| tgm4883_laptop | it had the website on it too | 20:48 |
| rhpot1991 | anyone using a LVM? | 21:16 |
| rhpot1991 | !LVM | 21:16 |
| ubotu | Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO | 21:16 |
| tgm4883_laptop | not anymore | 21:16 |
| rhpot1991 | I'm trying to upgrade a drive to a large one, but unfortunately I already have 2 SATA drives in the LVM | 21:17 |
| rhpot1991 | so I can't access the LVM without both of them hooked up and can't hook the other drive up to pvmove the drive I am replacing | 21:17 |
| rhpot1991 | seems like there should be some way around this, but I'm not sure how | 21:17 |
| * tgm4883_laptop shrughs | 21:18 | |
| tgm4883_laptop | i haven't used it in a long time | 21:18 |
| foxbuntu | rhpot1991, I am | 21:21 |
| foxbuntu | rhpot1991, go pickup a 30$ SATA PCI controller and then you can do it | 21:22 |
| rhpot1991 | eh | 21:22 |
| rhpot1991 | no way of temporarily pulling a drive out of the volume so I can add the new one and pvmove? | 21:23 |
| rhpot1991 | I already backed up the contents to a 1TB mybook, so I can just delete the LVM and make a new one, I was trying to avoid the 8 hours of xfer time that will take though | 21:24 |
| foxbuntu | nope | 21:24 |
| foxbuntu | u have the two options | 21:24 |
| tgm4883 | can't you just pull the data cable? | 21:25 |
| foxbuntu | tgm4883, nope...then you can't pvmove | 21:25 |
| tgm4883 | ah | 21:25 |
| rhpot1991 | ya pvmove needs access to the entire volume group it seems | 21:26 |
| foxbuntu | thats because LVM is really just creating a single mount point for multiple drives, but it still relies on the physical drives | 21:26 |
| foxbuntu | unlike RAID | 21:27 |
| foxbuntu | ...as tgm4883 knows now :) | 21:27 |
| rhpot1991 | I don't get why you can't remove a physical volume without moving the contents though | 21:27 |
| rhpot1991 | trying to preseve data I guess | 21:27 |
| foxbuntu | its because of the way LVM handles writing data to the drive | 21:27 |
| rhpot1991 | ah ok | 21:28 |
| rhpot1991 | think I'd be better pvmoving it to the mybook, or just backing up files that I care about? | 21:28 |
| foxbuntu | just back it up and rebuild | 21:29 |
| foxbuntu | good time to clean up your drive | 21:29 |
| foxbuntu | :) | 21:29 |
| rhpot1991 | not really much junk on them, mostly recordings actually | 21:29 |
| foxbuntu | but make sure to clear out stuff from the DB if you remove recordings\ | 21:29 |
| rhpot1991 | I picked up some storage on black friday, so I figured I could swap some things around and gain more room | 21:29 |
| foxbuntu | ah | 21:30 |
| rhpot1991 | have you ever done a pvmove? | 21:30 |
| rhpot1991 | howto seems to indicate that it is painfully slow | 21:31 |
| foxbuntu | yes it will be | 21:32 |
| foxbuntu | it might actually be faster the other way | 21:32 |
| rhpot1991 | alright | 21:32 |
| rhpot1991 | I'll do it that way then, wont require any extra money then either | 21:32 |
| foxbuntu | USB 2 is fast enough | 21:32 |
| rhpot1991 | I have seen some errors where a backend tries to transcode a recording that is on another backend, any idea how to stop it from doing that? | 21:36 |
| Mersault | installed the SVN weekly builds last night on mythbuntu 7.10, but mythmusic requires libflac7, which doesn't exist in the repos I have. Is there a repo I can add that has this package? | 21:38 |
| tgm4883 | rhpot1991, you could set it to only do jobs on the same backend | 21:39 |
| rhpot1991 | I figured that much by the error, though the master backend is apparently telling the 2nd backend to start the job instead of waiting, wasn't sure if there was a way of disabling that | 21:40 |
| rhpot1991 | it only happens if I queue up more than one transcode | 21:40 |
| rhpot1991 | though I haven't tried to transcode on the 2nd backend yet | 21:40 |
| superm1 | Mersault, um on gutsy there is libflac8 | 21:51 |
| Mersault | ah, I see. | 21:51 |
| superm1 | Mersault, did you install from the feisty component by accident? | 21:51 |
| Mersault | copy/pasted from the website, which apparently has feisty | 21:53 |
| Mersault | I just checked, yes it was feisty | 21:53 |
| superm1 | website has feisty on it? | 21:53 |
| superm1 | ruh oh | 21:53 |
| superm1 | yick that is from are ould backup website | 21:54 |
| superm1 | that we had to restore | 21:54 |
| superm1 | i'll fix that | 21:54 |
| superm1 | thanks for the catch | 21:54 |
| superm1 | i hope there are no other mishaps | 21:54 |
| Mersault | heh | 21:54 |
| Mersault | glad to be of service :) | 21:54 |
| superm1 | Mersault, if you see anything else that looks wrong feel free to ping | 21:55 |
| superm1 | its possible there were other small changes since then too | 21:55 |
| Mersault | no problem | 21:55 |
| superm1 | tgm4883, like all the old screenshots came in somehow | 21:56 |
| Mersault | I just replace feisty with gutsy, right? | 21:56 |
| superm1 | yeah | 21:56 |
| superm1 | i just updated the site | 21:56 |
| tgm4883 | bleh | 21:56 |
| superm1 | is bleh a word? i thought that was a super paper mario only thing | 21:57 |
| tgm4883 | it is now | 21:57 |
| superm1 | hey frink_ any updates on the server btw? | 22:05 |
| Mersault | alright, I'm updated to gutsy packages... | 22:09 |
| superm1 | honestly i'm surprised you were even able to install the feisty ones | 22:11 |
| Mersault | install and use | 22:12 |
| Mersault | anyway, seems ot be resolved now | 22:17 |
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| rhpot1991 | is there anything built into myth for detecting orphaned recordings? | 23:33 |
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