[00:20] <szakulec> any satellite users (US) here?
[00:24] <tgm4883_laptop> not me
[00:24] <tgm4883_laptop> although its best to just post your question
[00:25] <szakulec> I'd like to know if US satellite users will just have a poorer experience with mythtv compared to cable folks
[00:26] <tgm4883_laptop> i prefer cable.  But thats cause I like HD :)
[00:28] <szakulec> two questions: there appears to be a second or so lag between when I press the arrow key and when it registers on screen- how do I fix this?
[00:28] <szakulec> also, why does it say pre-scaling theme images every time?
[00:29] <tgm4883_laptop> pre-scaling should be quick the second time it does it
[00:29] <szakulec> it is
[00:30] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, i think thats cause its checking it
[00:30] <tgm4883_laptop> as to the delay, sec
[00:31] <tgm4883_laptop> in i believe ~/.lircrc there should be a delay amount.  You should be able to reduce this to get better response
[00:32] <tgm4883_laptop> or
[00:32] <tgm4883_laptop> it could be you dont have the proprietary drivers installed for you vid card
[00:32] <tgm4883_laptop> or it could be your computer isn't beefy enough
[01:44] <wilberfan> how do i restart the myth backend once i've quit out of it to get back to the xfce desktop?
[01:44] <wilberfan> rebooting doesn't restart it (maybe the session is getting saved at logout?)
[01:44] <wilberfan> it's driving me nuts!
[01:45] <bluec_> depends on your distro. in (*)buntu:
[01:45] <wilberfan> it's mythbuntu gutsy
[01:45] <bluec_>  cmd: sudo /etc/init.d/mythtvbackend restart
[01:45] <bluec_> buntu = goodness.
[01:45] <wilberfan> gawd!!  i probably could have figured that out, if i'd thought about it...
[01:45] <wilberfan> let's see if it works!
[01:45] <wilberfan> ;)
[01:46] <bluec_> typo there, you need a hyphen.
[01:46] <bluec_> sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart
[01:48] <wilberfan> oh, good... it wasn't working...
[01:48] <wilberfan> brb
[01:50] <levander> I'm getting about 1/2 an hour per Gig of storage with SDTV.  Is that about right, or can I optimize it down pretty good?
[01:50] <bluec_> you're one step further than me.  i just got stdef working tonight but no audio so far.
[01:51] <levander> bluec_: What sound card you got?
[01:51] <bluec_> adventurous, hvr-950.
[01:51] <bluec_> got HD to work, but don't have the horsepower to play it back. working on ntsc/cable now.
[01:52] <levander> bluec_: I thought you said you had stdef working?
[01:52] <bluec_> got video, don't have audio.
[01:53] <bluec_> appears to be a common problem on the hvr-950
[01:53] <wilberfan> ok, this is infuriating...
[01:53] <bluec_> ?
[01:53] <wilberfan> why is it that suddenly i can no longer connect to the backend?!
[01:53] <wilberfan> it's happened more than once....
[01:54] <wilberfan> the /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart indicated it IS running....
[01:54] <levander> bluec_: lemme log back into a IRC client that supports copy and paste, and I can give you a link to the best sound guide I've found for Ubuntu, it just covers all the basics well.
[01:54] <wilberfan> but i get that $%$&# message about not being able to connect to it...
[01:54] <wilberfan> it was working 20 minutes ago!!
[01:54] <bluec_> ps -eaf | grep -i back
[01:55] <levander> bluec_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449&highlight=comprehensive+sound
[01:55] <levander> Actually, this link is a little less annoying: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[01:55] <levander> Doesn't have the highlighting for the search phrase
[01:56] <bluec_> i'll take a look.  audio is working otherwise (cd's), but so far no audio off /dev/dsp1 when tuned to a TV channel
[01:56] <levander> What about 1/2 hour per GB of storage, is that a good ratio, or can I optimize it down pretty good if I research it.
[01:56] <wilberfan> and if I "can't connect" to backend...why can I watch videos?
[01:57] <levander> bluec_: You've checked your alsa mixer?  The channel that has TV sound could just be muted.
[01:57] <wilberfan> what's happening to make "Watch TV" fail like that....??
[01:57] <levander> wilberfan: I've seen that for "Watch TV" when I didn't have my tuner card (aka capture card) configured correctly.
[01:58] <levander> wilberfan: I had it decoding video with the wrong codec in the setup.
[01:58] <wilberfan> this has happened 3 or 4 times today...  I even re-installed TWICE cuz I got so frustrated!!
[01:58] <wilberfan> levander: what would make the config suddenly CHANGE?!
[01:58] <wilberfan> levander: it was working fine...
[01:58] <levander> wilberfan: No idea, apparently though, reinstall isn't gonna cut it.  You need to find what the problem was.
[01:59] <wilberfan> i'm hip to that now!!
[01:59] <wilberfan> :|
[01:59] <levander> Have you been searching the mailing list for answers? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/
[01:59] <wilberfan> is there something i'm supposed to run AFTER i change settings?
[02:00] <levander> Search on the error message, not your description of the problem.
[02:00] <levander> wilberfan: Make sure you go all the way to the end of the dialogs where you can change stuff.  E.g., keep clicking "Next" till you get to a "Finish".  You've been doing that?
[02:01] <levander> wilberfan: Those dialogs (screens) are like wizards that you have to complete all the way through.
[02:01] <wilberfan> yes... (where there IS a finish).  I meant am I supposed to run mythfilldatabase (or whatever it is) each time, or...?
[02:01] <levander> wilberfan: ummm, i'd only run mythfilldatabase if you've changed something that affects the channel lineup
[02:02] <levander> I've been playing with Setup quite a bit (just got up and running myself) and I've never run mythfilldatabase afterwards.
[02:02] <wilberfan> now none of the config dialog's "take" because it says it can't connect to the backend...
[02:02] <wilberfan> but i'm trying to connect through the frontend...
[02:02] <levander> wilberfan: If you've been playing with MythTV Setup, the configuration probably didn't change on its own to stop "Watch TV" from working...
[02:03] <levander> wilberfan: What do you mean "take"?
[02:03] <wilberfan> i go through all the screens, and when I select 'finish' it says it can't connect...
[02:03] <levander> wilberfan: is mythbackend running?
[02:03] <wilberfan> another big headache is that the display is only on the tv-out--which is in the next room!!!
[02:04] <wilberfan> levander: the last time i ran 'restart' it said it was...
[02:04] <levander> wilberfan: In mythfronted, you have to configure it to tell the frontend where the backend is.  Like the backend's IP address.
[02:04] <wilberfan> 127.0.0.1, right?   i=t
[02:04] <bluec_> lavender - is mythtvbackend listening on tcp ports? example:
[02:04] <levander> wilberfan: 'ps -ef | grep myth' - see if there's a mythbackend in there
[02:04] <wilberfan> it's all on one machine....
[02:04] <bluec_> sudo netstat -tanp | grep myth
[02:04] <bluec_> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:6543            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     8421/mythbackend
[02:04] <bluec_> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:6544            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     8421/mythbackend
[02:04] <levander> wilberfan: yes for 127.0.0.1, if the frontend and backend are running on the same machine
[02:04] <wilberfan> levander: i have to drag the mouse and keyboard into the next room to do that...!
[02:04] <levander> wilberfan: 127.0.0.1 just means localhost
[02:04] <wilberfan> it's SO annoying...
[02:05] <bluec_> no ssh for you?
[02:05] <wilberfan> is 'localhost' the exact equiv of 127....?   can it be one or the other?
[02:05] <levander> wilberfan: 'sudo apt-get openssh-server' and you can just ssh into it
[02:05] <superm1> if mythbackend isn't running, checkout /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[02:05] <superm1> it is most indicative of what you did that broke things
[02:05] <superm1> the most common cause is permissions
[02:05] <wilberfan> levander: openssh into what?
[02:05] <superm1> on the recordings directory
[02:05] <levander> wilberfan: well, localhost is the name, and 127.0.0.1 is the IP address.  But, localhost maps to 127.0.0.1 via DNS and vice versa.
[02:06] <levander> wilberfan: Into your box in the other room.
[02:06] <levander> wilberfan: 'sudo apt-get install openssh-server' on the machine that doesn't have full-time mouse and keyboard
[02:07] <wilberfan> levander: no, here's the setup...  The box and it's monitor is in the kitchen.  I have an s-video cable running from the Geforce 5200 into the next room where the TV is...
[02:07] <levander> lol @ s-video cable running into the kitchen
[02:07] <wilberfan> the display for mythtv ONLY shows up on the TV (in the next room), so to perform ANY functions, i have to drag the mouse and keyboard in there...
[02:07] <levander> wilberfan: So, i that's the setup, why does the box in the kitchen have no mouse and keyboard?
[02:07] <wilberfan> it DOES
[02:08] <levander> wilberfan: No, you can ssh into the box in the kitchen from the computer you are looking at now.
[02:08] <wilberfan> but the only working DISPLAY is in the next room
[02:08] <levander> wilberfan: Or, you can install mythfrontend on the computer you're in now
[02:08] <wilberfan> levander: i'm not sure you're getting it yet....
[02:09] <levander> wilberfan: you know what a command prompt is, yes?
[02:09] <wilberfan> the computer in the kitchen is the computer that mythtv is running on...
[02:09] <wilberfan> it's only the display that's in the next room...
[02:09] <levander> wilberfan: if you ssh (secure shell) into a box, you get a command prompt running on a remote machine that shows up on your local machine
[02:09] <wilberfan> the remote and local machine are the same!
[02:09] <levander> wilberfan: Understand?
[02:09] <wilberfan> yes i do...but i don't think you do yet....
[02:10] <levander> wilberfan: What computer are you using now?  ssh from the machien you are on now, into this machien that has it's monitor in the kitchen
[02:10] <wilberfan> ok.  let's start over.
[02:10] <wilberfan> imagine the computer you're typing on now had it's monitor in the next room....
[02:11] <wilberfan> THAT's what i'm dealing with here....
[02:11] <levander> wilberfan: well then, how do you see what I'm typing?
[02:11] <levander> wilberfan: Do you have binoculars?
[02:11] <wilberfan> No...i have to take the keyboard and mouse into the next room!
[02:11] <levander> wilberfan: you do that to see what I'm typing?
[02:11] <levander> why not just keep the mouse and keyboard into the next room?
[02:12] <wilberfan> right now i'm irc'ing on a DIFFERENT computer....
[02:12] <levander> wilberfan: exactly!
[02:12] <wilberfan> lol
[02:12] <levander> wilberfan: ssh from the DIFFERENT computer into the computer that has it's monitor in the kitchen
[02:12] <wilberfan> rofl
[02:12] <wilberfan> more detail:
[02:13] <wilberfan> i have two computers
[02:13] <wilberfan> they're BOTH in the kitchen.
[02:13] <levander> wilberfan: then, you get a command prompt on the DIFFERENT computer that is running on the kitchen monitor computer
[02:13] <wilberfan> they share ONE keyboard and mouse.
[02:13] <levander> wilberfan: who's on first?
[02:13] <wilberfan> one of those computers has mythtv front and backend on it
[02:13] <levander> and the other has IRC on it?
[02:13] <wilberfan> when the mythtv computer boots up--it's display doesn't show on the monitor--it shows in the TV in the next room...
[02:14] <levander> wilberfan: yeah, so?
[02:14] <levander> wilberfan: I just said to check if mythbackend is running, you can do that via ssh.
[02:14] <wilberfan> so..........i have to take the keyboard and mouse into the next room to do any configuring....
[02:14] <wilberfan> and you're saying ssh from machine 1 to machine 2....
[02:14] <wilberfan> whew
[02:14] <levander> wilberfan: just ssh from 1 to 2 to see if mythbackend is running
[02:14] <levander> wilberfan: not to configure Myth
[02:15] <levander> wilberfan: to configure Myth, stopping running around with the keyboard and mouse
[02:15] <levander> wilberfan: bring the kitchen monitor into the room you are in now
[02:15] <levander> wilberfan: you will never get it working otherwise
[02:15] <wilberfan> ok.  let's move on.
[02:16] <wilberfan> what's the best way to check if the backend is running?
[02:16] <levander> wilberfan: 'ps -ef | grep myth' - see if mythbackend is in the output
[02:16] <levander> wilberfan: you can ssh into the remote box to run that command
[02:16] <wilberfan> how, exactly, do i do that?
[02:17] <wilberfan> i don't remember the command
[02:17] <levander> wilberfan: on the remote machine 'sudo apt-get install openssh-server' on the local machine, 'ssh <user@kitchenmonitorcomp>'
[02:17] <levander> wilberfan: you have to run around with the keyboard/mouse to run 'sudo apt-get install openssh-server'
[02:18] <levander> But, after you do that, you can 'sudo apt-get <package>' to your heart's content remotely.
[02:19] <superm1> actually isn't ssh installed by the default install?
[02:19] <superm1> i thought i had enabled it for that
[02:19] <levander> superm1: no
[02:19] <superm1> o
[02:19] <superm1> oh yeah samba is
[02:19] <superm1> ssh isnt
[02:19] <wilberfan> openssh-server is already installed....
[02:19] <levander> superm1: no open ports by default, security policy
[02:19] <superm1> levander, well mythbuntu is a bit different
[02:19] <levander> superm1: ssh is installed by default
[02:19] <MythbuntuGuest05> I have a question about a HDTV qam tuner supported
[02:19] <levander> superm1: i stand corrected
[02:19] <superm1> levander, yeah i thought i had activated that for install
[02:20] <superm1> :)
[02:20] <superm1> levander, that is the default security policy for ubuntu however
[02:20] <superm1> you are correct there
[02:20] <wilberfan> host key verification failed...
[02:20] <levander> superm1: I could see making exceptions to that security policy for Mythbuntu, but I wouldn't overdo the exceptions...
[02:20] <MythbuntuGuest05> Hauppage 1800 MCE kit qam/atsc/ntsc? is it support or will 8.04 support it?
[02:21] <levander> wilberfan: just say yes to that 'host key verification' message
[02:21] <levander> wilberfan: that happens the 1st time you ssh into a box
[02:21] <wilberfan> it's not giving me a yes or no options
[02:21] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest05, i'm not too sure on that hardware
[02:21] <levander> wilberfan: it just means the ssh client doesn't know the remote machine, yet
[02:21] <superm1> wilberfan, have you tried to ssh into a previous install?
[02:21] <levander> wilberfan: it gets to know it the 1st time you ssh into it
[02:21] <wilberfan> it just failed and gave me a prompt back...
[02:21] <superm1> if so then rm ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[02:21] <superm1> on your remote machine
[02:21] <MythbuntuGuest05> not showing it on the list its a new card
[02:21] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest05, check out linuxtv.org
[02:21] <superm1> and see if its listed there at all
[02:21] <wilberfan> can't i delete the known_hosts and start over?
[02:22] <superm1> wilberfan, that's what i said :)
[02:22] <wilberfan> lol
[02:22] <wilberfan> i see that now....
[02:22] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest05, or even better, try it and let everyone know if it worked for you :)
[02:23] <wilberfan> $ ps -ef | grep myth
[02:23] <wilberfan> 1000      5373  5342  0 17:41 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/share/mythbuntu/session.sh
[02:23] <wilberfan> 1000      5376     1  0 17:41 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/share/mythbuntu/session.sh
[02:23] <wilberfan> 1000      5702  5685  0 18:23 pts/1    00:00:00 grep myth
[02:23] <wilberfan> what is that telling us?
[02:23] <superm1> wilberfan, so the backend isn't running
[02:23] <superm1> like i said before look at your log file
[02:23] <wilberfan> [sigh] it's NOT?
 if mythbackend isn't running, checkout /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
 it is most indicative of what you did that broke things
 the most common cause is permissions
[02:24] <wilberfan> where, exactly does it indicate it's not running?
[02:24] <superm1> you would have had an entry like this:
[02:24] <superm1> mythtv   22816     1  4 18:47 ?        00:04:27 /usr/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid --noupnp
[02:24] <superm1> if it was
[02:25] <wilberfan> permissions...  maybe 'wilberfan' changed 'mythtv' settings??
[02:25] <superm1> permissions usually meaning the recordings directory
[02:25] <superm1> if you changed where it is at
[02:25] <wilberfan> i probably did....
[02:25] <superm1> and it can't be written to by the daemon user, 'mythtv'
[02:25] <superm1> like i said
[02:25] <superm1> look at that log
[02:25] <wilberfan> which log?
[02:25] <superm1> it tells you *exactly* why the backend couldn't launch
 <superm1> if mythbackend isn't running, checkout /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[02:26] <wilberfan> "permission denied"
[02:26] <superm1> look at it with sudo then
[02:28] <levander> superm1: yeah, you're permissions are weird, you should be able to read (not write) mythbackend.log by default
[02:28] <wilberfan> sudo: /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log: command not found
[02:28] <superm1> levander, yeah you are able to
[02:28] <superm1> if you are in the mythtv group
[02:28] <superm1> wilberfan, you need to use an editor or line reader
[02:28] <levander> wilberfan: just 'less /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log'
[02:28] <superm1> such as nano or cat
[02:28] <levander> wilberfan: 'less' is a file reader, you view text files in it
[02:29] <bluec_> anyone have a remote recommendation?  I need to control mythtv, receiver, and and TV.  better to use one programmable/lerning remote or irblaster setup?
[02:30] <wilberfan> ok...there's hundreds of lines of text here...what am i looking for?
[02:30] <levander> wilberfan: type a '>' to go to the end of the file
[02:30] <bluec_> levandar, does http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ work so he could paste the log there?
[02:31] <levander> wilberfan: at the end of the file, it says anything about an error
[02:31] <wilberfan> /media/sdb1//nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied
[02:31] <wilberfan> Unable to open lockfile!
[02:31] <wilberfan> Be sure that '/media/sdb1/' exists and that both
[02:31] <wilberfan> the directory and that file are writeable by this user.
[02:31] <wilberfan> :|
[02:31] <superm1> like i said
[02:31] <superm1> permissions
[02:31] <levander> superm1: could the lock file be left open by a previous run of mythbackend?  maybe he should just delete the lock file?
[02:31] <superm1> its not just the lock file
[02:32] <superm1> its that it can't be modified
[02:32] <superm1> you need to make sure that the owner of /media/sdb1 is mythtv:mythtv
[02:32] <superm1> sudo chown mythtv:mythtv -R /media/sdb1
[02:32] <levander> superm1: okay, i had to ask you because i'm not sure how that lock file works
[02:32] <superm1> if you want to use that for your recordings directory
[02:32] <wilberfan> sdb1 is an NTFS partition--will that make a difference??
[02:32]  * superm1 shrugs
[02:32] <superm1> well you sure like to complicate things here
[02:32] <wilberfan> no, i DON'T actually!
[02:33] <superm1> :)
[02:33] <wilberfan> :|
[02:33] <levander> Gutsy was supposed to ship with good NTFS file system handling, I'd guess no.
[02:33] <superm1> does it have to be ntfs?
[02:33] <wilberfan> no, it doesn't.....
[02:33] <levander> But, in the past, yes, NTFS would definitely have made a difference.
[02:33] <wilberfan> i was thinking of reformatting it ext3, btw...
[02:33] <levander> I haven't tried it in Gutsy though.
[02:33] <superm1> well the thing is that gutsy ships good ntfs file system support, only when you are using it for user level stuff
[02:33] <wilberfan> shall i pick another partition...see if that makes a diff??
[02:33] <superm1> because permissions are more irrelevant
[02:33] <superm1> could you make it something a little more unix permissions friendly
[02:33] <superm1> like xfs
[02:33] <superm1> or jfs
[02:34] <superm1> or pick another partition?
[02:34] <levander> I'm getting 1/2 hour per GB of storage with SDTV.  Is that pretty good, or can I optimize it down quite a bit?
[02:34] <andr3www> hi
[02:34] <superm1> levander, that's pretty good
[02:34] <wilberfan> superm1: i can definitely pick another partition....
[02:34] <superm1> whatever you end up doing, the most important thing is that the owner is mythtv:mythtv
[02:34] <superm1> so if you continue to use ntfs, you have to mount it as the mythtv user
[02:34] <levander> superm1: Damn, that means I need a new hard disk.  An 80 GB isn't going to cut it.
[02:35] <andr3www> I'm trying to diagnose my channels listing but I get unreadable text in my channels.conf:
[02:35] <andr3www> cat /home/andrew/.azap/channels.conf
[02:35] <andr3www> WUTV-HD�:473028615:8VSB:49:52:3
[02:35] <wilberfan> how should i proceed from here?
[02:35] <wilberfan> what's the first thing I should do?
[02:35] <wilberfan> (other than go strangle something)
[02:35] <superm1> wilberfan, well that's up to you.  if you are going to wipe this partition
[02:35] <superm1> then open up a partition editor such as gparted
[02:35] <superm1> wipe it
[02:35] <superm1> and format it xfs
[02:35] <superm1> and then chown it and continue
[02:35] <wilberfan> no, i'd rather pick another partition... just to see if that makes a diff...
[02:35] <superm1> well it will as long as its friendly to unix permissions
[02:36] <superm1> and lets you set the owner of it to be mythtv
[02:36] <levander> wilberfan: gparted, format the new partition, then make sure the new partition is mounted with correct permissions
[02:36] <levander> superm1: ext3 isn't friendly to unix permissions?
[02:36] <superm1> levander, yes but not to mythtv recordings
[02:36] <wilberfan> i don't want to use sdb1 for right now...;  i'd rather try one of the existing ext3's...
[02:36] <levander> superm1: You do some detailed stuff with permissions in Myth?
[02:36] <superm1> because deleting large files with ext3 blocks the cpu
[02:37] <levander> wilberfan: Do you have other stuff on these existing ext3's?
[02:37] <wilberfan> levander: yes...
[02:37] <superm1> levander, well just the daemon user, mythtv needs to have the permissions to write to the directory
[02:37] <superm1> nothing fancy
[02:37] <levander> superm1: Ah, what's the best filesystem then for the recordings directory?
[02:37] <superm1> xfs
[02:37] <superm1> is what i recommend
[02:37] <superm1> some people like to push jfs
[02:38] <superm1> but just stay away from reiser and ext3 if you can
[02:38] <levander> superm1: You know, I said that on the Ars forums, XFS.  Then like 5  people jumped on me and said I was stupid.  Idiots.
[02:38] <superm1> what did they say?
[02:38] <levander> superm1: Do you just run XFS for MythTV recordings, or for everything?  Like, even '/'?
[02:38] <wilberfan> how do i exit from 'less', btw?
[02:38] <levander> wilberfan: 'q'
[02:38] <superm1> levander, i only use it for recordings and media
[02:38] <superm1> levander, for my root filesystem i stick with ext3
[02:39] <levander> wilberfan: Since you don't know 'less' already, maybe you're better off disconnecting from the remote machine, 'ssh -X <user>@<remote>' and then on the remote machine type 'xtoolwait gedit'.
[02:40] <levander> wilberfan: That gives you a GUI editor, running on the remote machine, with direct access to the files on the remote machine.
[02:40] <levander> superm1: Is there a technical reason for sticking with ext3, or is it just laziness?
[02:41] <superm1> levander, well journaling is a good idea to have
[02:41] <superm1> levander, on more important things like a root file system
[02:41] <levander> superm1: Oh, I thought XFS had journaling.
[02:41] <superm1> levander, it does, but it also doesn't cleanly handle recovering that journal
[02:41] <superm1> in the event of a bad shut down
[02:41] <levander> superm1: This, I didn't not know.  Thanks.
[02:42] <superm1> levander, i've lost things in the past on a root xfs file system
[02:42] <superm1> levander, and mythtv recordings are of a lower priority
[02:42] <levander> superm1: I bet you learned quick at that point that you can't recover from an XFS journal.
[02:42] <superm1> levander, well there are "supposed" to be ways to recover
[02:42] <superm1> levander, but i had piss poor luck with it
[02:43] <superm1> so i've kept ext3 for all root filesystems since then
[02:43] <levander> superm1: Plus, the journal probably eats a lot of room for something like Myth recordings...
[02:43] <levander> superm1: You know, I've never had to go to my journal to recover anything.
[02:43] <superm1> well i dont know how much the journal really takes up space wise
[02:43] <superm1> i've never had to investigate that
[02:43] <levander> superm1: And, I don't have my PC hooked up to a UPS, and I have brown-outs.
[02:43] <levander> superm1: Yeah, I'm just guessing, I don't know.
[02:44] <levander> wilberfan: How you coming with gedit?
[02:45] <wilberfan> i just dragged the keyboard and mouse into the next room to change the recording partition
[02:45] <wilberfan> that didn't seem to help
[02:45] <levander> wilberfan: you could have changed the permissions via ssh
[02:45] <superm1> wilberfan, make sure the new one has the correct permissions too
[02:45] <wilberfan> what's that command again?
[02:46] <levander> wilberfan: 'ssh -X <user>@<remote-machine-name>'
[02:46] <wilberfan> no, i got that one...
[02:46] <wilberfan> the chown one...
[02:46] <levander> wilberfan: can you search backwards in your IRC client?
[02:47] <levander> this is just what superm1 typed above: 'sudo chown mythtv:mythtv -R /media/sdb1'
[02:48] <wilberfan> does the "R" take care of all the sub-folders?
[02:48] <wilberfan> "recursive"?
[02:48] <levander> Yes
[02:48] <levander> recursive, yes
[02:48] <wilberfan> might as well change the entire partition, right?
[02:49] <levander> superm1: I have no idea, you know?
[02:49] <wilberfan> no prob there?
[02:49] <levander> superm1: From the command, I'd guess yes wilberfan.
[02:49] <superm1> well it depends if you are using anythign else on there
[02:49] <wilberfan> superm1: what do you mean?
[02:49] <superm1> from the way you described things, it sounded like you were using the partition just for recordings
[02:49] <wilberfan> i already have videos there i'd like to watch, too...
[02:50] <superm1> well you should make subdirectories then
[02:50] <superm1> one for recordings
[02:50] <superm1> and one for videos
[02:50] <wilberfan> because....?
[02:50] <superm1> videos should be permissions of whatever user you use to put them there
[02:50] <superm1> recordings should be the mythtv user
[02:50] <wilberfan> ah...
[02:52] <wilberfan> ok, i now have a /media/sdb5/recording   with mythtv as the owner...  now i can try changing the mythtv config, yes?
[02:53] <wilberfan> (i really appreciate your help with this stuff, guys...  i've been at this all day...and I'm kinda frazzled!)
[02:54] <superm1> yes
[02:55] <levander> wilberfan: You're diving into Linux head first, good for you.
[02:55] <wilberfan> it's telling me that directory is "not writable"!
[02:56] <wilberfan> yeah, head first--without a helmet!!
[02:56] <wilberfan> "it's"= the backend setup screens
[02:56] <KLIMAUDIO> is it possible to pass audio over HDMI in linux?
[02:57] <wilberfan> did this command not make it writable?:  sudo chown mythtv:mythtv -R /media/sdb5/recording
[02:58] <superm1> wilberfan, no big deal
[02:58] <superm1> ignore the warning right there
[02:58] <wilberfan> (easy for HIM to say!)
[02:58] <superm1> as long as you really changed the permissions it won't matter
[02:58] <wilberfan> so i select the "No, i know what i am doing" option?
[02:58] <wilberfan> lol
[02:58] <superm1> KLIMAUDIO, depends on the vendor of the hdmi output that you have
[02:58] <superm1> wilberfan, yeah
[02:58] <wilberfan> (even though i don't!)
[02:58] <wilberfan> lol
[02:58] <superm1> wilberfan, that is something we should take care of though (that warning)
[02:59] <wilberfan> HOLY CRAPSICLES!!! MY LIVETV IS WORKING AGAIN!!!
[03:00] <superm1> :)
[03:00] <superm1> permissions permissions permissions
[03:00] <superm1> those problems never seem to go away :)
[03:00] <wilberfan> So, the lesson here...  is to make sure the recording directory is owned by--specifically--mythtv?!
[03:01] <superm1> yes.
[03:01] <wilberfan> it is SUCH a relief to get that fixed...  i'd worked myself into quite a GeekSnit
[03:01] <wilberfan> i owe someone(s) a reach-around or something....
[03:01] <wilberfan> ;)
[03:01] <superm1> all we ask is that you spread the help that you got :)
[03:02] <wilberfan> if i can help--i will--trust me!
[03:02] <levander> In this sentence, what does RW mean? "But, by hooking an IR blaster to your Myth box, you can send RF commands
[03:02] <levander> to the Myth box via the RW and it can send IR commands to other
[03:02] <levander> devices--thereby, you control your other devices using only the RW."
[03:02] <superm1> the more people to help with problems the better
[03:02] <KLIMAUDIO> superm1....I haven't purchased anything yet....I'm thinking about a motherboard with onboard HDMI
[03:02] <superm1> levander, i'm not sure, what is the context?
[03:02] <levander> wilberfan: How long you been using Linux?
[03:02] <KLIMAUDIO> any ideas on a product...thinking of AMD based mobo
[03:03] <wilberfan> levander: you're going to totally wet yourself if i tell you....
[03:03] <levander> superm1: It's a thread on the mailing list where they're talking about what remote control to use with Myth.
[03:03] <superm1> KLIMAUDIO, can't comment too much on such things.  no experience myself
[03:03] <levander> wilberfan: 1 week?
[03:03] <wilberfan> levander: August 2006
[03:03] <wilberfan> [blushes]
[03:03] <superm1> levander, i'm not really sure what is meant by that
[03:04] <levander> KLIMAUDIO: I've seen people brag about onboard HDMI.  I'd check the mailing list for comments.
[03:04] <wilberfan> the more holes i fall into, the more i learn--but it sure can bruise things up in the process!
[03:04] <levander> superm1: I might email the guy who wrote that post.  From the description, it sounds like he's on to something.  But, I don't know what he's describing.
[03:05] <levander> wilberfan: August 2006 is still pretty new.  There's a lot to UNIX.
[03:05] <levander> wilberfan: Configuring Myth (unless you do the vast majority of the stuff just by the defaults) isn't that easy.
[03:05] <wilberfan> well, thanks for not laughing at me TOO loud...  and, amen!  yes, the penquin is more complicated than he looks at first glance!!
[03:05] <wilberfan> levander: i'm discovering that!!!
[03:06] <superm1> wilberfan, as a few more words of advice
[03:06] <wilberfan> yes, please...advice!!
[03:06] <andr3www> Hi
[03:06] <superm1> the default recordings directory (/var/lib/mythtv/recordings) has the permissions set properly
[03:06] <andr3www> My Mythbuntu no longer boots
[03:06] <levander> wilberfan: People who are talking about putthing their moms on Linux are idiots.  Ubuntu makes it lots easier to do that, but unless you wanna be your Mom's unpaid admin...
[03:06] <superm1> so that is why most people don't run into issues, but the ones that change the directory
[03:06] <superm1> that is why this is common enough
[03:06] <wilberfan> ROFL!  that's exactly what i am--and she's running OSX!
[03:07] <wilberfan> i actually got VNC running so i didn't have to run over there every 5 minutes....
[03:07] <KLIMAUDIO> Using an HDMI output from a motherboard to pass 8 channels of 24/192 audio would be awesome....I was thinking of doing this to feed a Pannasonic receiver that uses no D/A converters..
[03:07] <superm1> levander, well the idea is that you don't need to admin them as much as you did on windows
[03:07] <levander> wilberfan: You're talking about putting your mom on Linux?  What are you?
[03:07] <superm1> levander, which i can say i'm glad i switched my mom over
[03:07] <wilberfan> levander: no...  mom's staying on OSX!!
[03:07] <levander> superm1: I don't admin my mom at all on Windows.
[03:07] <superm1> levander, i had to all the time
[03:07] <superm1> levander, and it got very annoying
[03:07] <levander> superm1: Win98, or Windows XP?  Win98, yeah, you had to be admin.
[03:07] <superm1> levander, no she was on xp
[03:08] <superm1> levander, and when i say admin, i mean cleaning up after her breaking things
[03:08] <wilberfan> the only reason i didn't leave the recording directory as the default--is that mythbuntu is only installed on a 9.7 GB partition....
[03:08] <levander> superm1: Well, I'm curious what problems she had, but that could be a long discussion...
[03:08] <levander> superm1: Yeah, exactly.  That's what an admin does, fix broken things.  What did she break?
[03:08] <superm1> levander, like you said a longer discussion than i want to go into right now
[03:09] <levander> superm1: Yeah.
[03:09] <superm1> i do have some other things to attend to this evening, so you guys have a good night :)
[03:09] <wilberfan> superm1: thanks SO MUCH for your help....
[03:09] <wilberfan> i  might have given up otherwise.....
[03:09] <wilberfan> seriously, dude....good job.
[03:09] <levander> You know, a neighbor of mine says he broke his sister's iMac.  He brought it into an Apple Store and they fixed it for free.  I wonder if he got lucky, or if they do that for everyone.
[03:09] <levander> That's why I don't recommend Mac's to neighbor's.  There's no one they can mooch support off of.
[03:09] <wilberfan> levander: you too...thanks for getting me through this...
[03:10] <wilberfan> ...i'm probably a teensy bit over my head here...
[03:10] <wilberfan> ...i like linux challenges--as long as they're not TOO steep....
[03:10] <levander> wilberfan: superm1 did most of it, you realize he's one of the developers?  Not many pieces of software can you get support directly from the developer for.
[03:10] <wilberfan> (then i end up just wanting to chuck things out into the yard...)
[03:10] <levander> wilberfan: Try getting developer support from Microsoft...
[03:10] <wilberfan> oh, i know!
[03:12] <wilberfan> do you know konversation?  is there a way to save this discussion?
[03:14] <levander> wilberfan: #kubuntu - i don't know
[03:15] <wilberfan> the only other thing pissing me off about mythtv right now is that the channel up and down button on my remote perform a different function...
[03:15] <wilberfan> you know anything about hauppauge remotes?!
[03:16] <levander> wilberfan: I'm researching how to install a new remote for me now.
[03:16] <levander> wilberfan: HOld on, I just saw a wiki page about that...
[03:16] <levander> wilberfan: I'd look at this page and see if it's what you need: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Customized_Remote_Control_Keys
[03:16] <wilberfan> cool!
[03:17] <wilberfan> muchas gracias, dude...
[03:17] <levander> wilberfan: Before you do something like change the directory you store your recordings too, I'd look for doc's on how to do it before you do it.
[03:17] <levander> wilberfan: Much easier that way.
[03:17] <levander> wilberfan: Although, you can overdo the whole looking for docs thing...
[03:17] <levander> wilberfan: It's a balance, looking for docs and just trying stuff.
[03:18] <wilberfan> yeah...at some point--sometimes--you learn more faster by just trying things out....
[03:18] <wilberfan> exactly...
[03:18] <levander> wilberfan: yeah
[03:18] <wilberfan> i just lost my balance today, that's all!
[03:18] <wilberfan> :)
[03:18] <levander> wilberfan: The more you use Linux, the better feel you get for when to look for doc's and when to just try.  I still err too much on looking for doc.'s.
[03:19] <levander> towards looking for doc's**
[03:19] <wilberfan> and i'm probably on the 'just try it' too often...
[03:19] <wilberfan> reading ain't as much fun as TRYING!
[03:19] <wilberfan> ;)
[03:20] <wilberfan> you can read about riding a bike--but at some point, you really need to start pedalin'!
[03:20] <wilberfan> ;)
[03:20] <wilberfan> (and then pull the thorns out of your ass)
[03:20] <levander> an exaggeration, but clever, i'll probably use that one
[03:22] <wilberfan> ;)
[03:25] <wilberfan> levander: what was that gedit thing you were telling me about?
[03:30] <levander> wilberfan: 'ssh -X <user>@<remote-machine>'
[03:30] <levander> that enables "X forwarding" over the ssh connection
[03:30] <levander> you run the X programs on the remote machine, but they are displayed on the local machine
[03:30] <levander> after ssh'ing in, you run 'xtoolwait <prog-name>'
[03:31] <levander> And, <prog-name> is displayed on the local machine.
[03:31] <levander> You can't quit out of the ssh connection though until all programs you start this way have also been closed.
[03:31] <wilberfan> oh...i just did xtoolwait on the remote machine...and gedit opened THERE.
[03:31] <levander> It works for GUI applications, don't have to do it for command line tools.
[03:32] <levander> wilberfan: did you get into the remote machine via 'ssh -X'?
[03:32] <levander> wilberfan: you have to use that '-X' option
[03:32] <wilberfan> yeah i just did that...
[03:32] <wilberfan> but before i did, i was on the remote machine...to install gedit (apt-get install gedit)
[03:32] <levander> wilberfan: 'xtoolwait <prog>' is just a safer way of doing '<prog> &'
[03:33] <levander> wilberfan: they just put the program in the background, so you're shell does get held up by the program
[03:33] <wilberfan> then while still on the remote machine, i did an xtoolwait gedit..and it opened a gedit window on the remote machine...
[03:33] <levander> wilberfan: you have to close ssh, then go back in via 'ssh -X'
[03:33] <levander> wilberfan: '-X' enables X Forwarding to the machine you ssh from.
[03:34] <wilberfan> xtoolwait: unable to open display (), NOT executing gedit
[03:34] <levander> wilberfan: and, you ssh'd in?
[03:34] <levander> wilberfan: ssh -X in'd?
[03:34] <wilberfan> yes...
[03:34] <wilberfan> does gedit have to be installed on the local machine??
[03:35] <levander> maybe it's turned off by default, i don't remember if i had to turn it on or not
[03:35] <levander> wilberfan: i don't think so
[03:35] <levander> wilberfan: couldn't open display is an X error, not a "couldn't find program" bash error
[03:35] <wilberfan> how do you close an ssh session?  just exit?
[03:35] <wilberfan> "exit"?
[03:35] <levander> wilberfan: yes, or Ctrl-D for short
[03:36] <levander> wilberfan: on a 'ssh -X' connectiont, 'echo $DISPLAY' and copy the output into this channel
[03:36] <wilberfan> maybe it wasn't closed properly...let's try again...
[03:36] <levander> wilberfan: is the name of your machine in your bash prompt?  that's how I tell what machine the prompt I'm in is from.
[03:36] <wilberfan> wilberfan@dell-mythtv:~$ $DISPLAY
[03:36] <wilberfan> -bash: localhost:10.0: command not found
[03:37] <wilberfan> ?
[03:37] <levander> wilberfan: it was 'echo $DISPLAY' but I get the gist from that output
[03:37] <levander> wilberfan: the value of DISPLAY is correct
[03:38] <levander> wilberfan: DISPLAY is a bash environment variable.  The '$' evaluates the variable and gives you the value.  'echo' prints out that value.
[03:38] <wilberfan> THERE it goes...
[03:38] <levander> what goes?
[03:38] <wilberfan> i now have a gedit window open on the local machine....
[03:38] <levander> wilberfan: cool, huh?
[03:38] <levander> wilberfan: that's the easy way to access GUI apps on your Myth box.  Just don't forget, 'ssh -X'
[03:39] <wilberfan> is there a file-browser i could run that way...?
[03:39] <wilberfan> the local machine is sidux the remote is mythbuntu...
[03:39] <levander> wilberfan: 'nautilus' - or actually, i dunno the name of the XFCE one (which is what comes with Mythbuntu, GNOME comes with Ubuntu).
[03:39] <wilberfan> (but what kind of command is 'xtoolwait'?!  what does the name mean??)
[03:40] <wilberfan> on xfce it's thunar, i think....
[03:40] <levander> wilberfan: google says XFCE's file manager is Thunar...
[03:40] <wilberfan> so 'xtoolwait thunar'?
[03:40] <levander> wilberfan: 'xtoolwait <prog>' is just a safer way of doing '<prog> &'
[03:40] <levander> wilberfan: they just put the program in the background, so you're shell does get held up by the program
[03:40] <levander> wilberfan: yes
[03:40] <wilberfan> it WORKS!
[03:40] <wilberfan> :)
[03:41] <levander> wilberfan: 'man xtoolwait' for more info
[03:41] <levander> wilberfan: try running a program without the xtoolwait at the beginning and see what happens to your shell prompt
[03:42] <levander> wilberfan: that's the best way to explain it
[03:42] <wilberfan> i'm a-scared to try that!
[03:42] <wilberfan> lol
[03:42] <levander> wilberfan: it doesn't hurt anything
[03:42] <wilberfan> you don't get the prompt back, huh...?
[03:43] <levander> right
[03:43] <levander> the shell is running the programming
[03:43] <levander> you get the prompt back when the program completes
[03:43] <wilberfan> do you know ANYTHING about configuring multiple screens?
[03:44] <levander> xtoolwait puts the program in the background, and you get your shell prompt back while the program is running, because the program is running in the background
[03:44] <wilberfan> i've been phucking around with mythbuntu since wednesday (?), and at one point i managed to get the myth output to the tv--while having a xfce desktop on the monitor...
[03:44] <wilberfan> but when i opened something like firefox on the xfce desktop--the window would open on the tv!!
[03:45] <levander> wilberfan: If you're doing TV Out with one of the two screens, follow the 2nd method in this guide (not the TwinView first one): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOut
[03:45] <levander> wilberfan: Where you using TwinView when it opened on the TV?
[03:45] <wilberfan> i haven't been able to figure out the difference between 'twinview' 'mirror' xinerama, etc...!
[03:46] <wilberfan> not sure what you mean by "where"?
[03:46] <levander> wilberfan: If you use TwinView, it's all one big giant screen.  If you use the 2nd method in that guide I linked to, you have two separate desktops.
[03:46] <wilberfan> i would like all the mythtv output (liveTV, video playback, etc) to go to the TV, and all the "computer" stuff to stay on the monitor....
[03:47] <levander> wilberfan: twinview and xinerama do basically the same thing.  twinview is nvidia's implementation for nvidia cards and the nvidia driver.  xinerama is x.org's implementation and works with all video cards.
[03:47] <wilberfan> ahhhh.....
[03:47] <wilberfan> am i describing somthing xinerama does??
[03:47] <levander> wilberfan: twinview and xinerama make one big desktop (that shares info between monitors better).  2 separate X screens make two separate desktops - one for each monitor.
[03:47] <levander> wilberfan: I think so, I've never used xinerama.
[03:48] <levander> wilberfan: Just follow the 2nd method in that guide I linked to.
[03:49] <wilberfan> this one?:  A more complicated way - Running 2 X-Screens
[03:49] <levander> wilberfan: yeah
[03:50] <wilberfan> so that method will display the video on the TV, and leave me a desktop to work with on the monitor...?
[03:50] <wilberfan> :)
[03:50] <levander> wilberfan: you need it for tV out.  So that you don't have what happened to you above happen.
[03:50] <wilberfan> lol
[03:50] <levander> wilberfan: yes
[03:50] <wilberfan> you mean the "firefox opened on the tv" scenario....
[03:50] <levander> yeah
[03:51] <levander> wilberfan: you could have dragged firefox onto the other monitor, just by dragging it around like regular
[03:51] <wilberfan> i tried that--wouldn't leave the TV window....
[03:51] <wilberfan> the pointer wouldn't go any further than the edge of the tv window....
[03:51] <levander> wilberfan: maybe you weren't using Twinview...
[03:51] <wilberfan> very frustrating...
[03:52] <levander> wilberfan: did you try the other edge?
[03:52] <levander> wilberfan: there are two side edges, it only goes off one of the two
[03:52] <wilberfan> yeah, i was just "pedaling the bike"--not really sure WHAT i was doing at that point...
[03:52] <wilberfan> i'm pretty sure i tried both edges...but maybe not?  I had configured the 2nd desktop to be to the right...so i was dragging it that direction...
[03:53] <levander> wilberfan: just try again, you've said a few times stuff just doesn't work, then with no explanation, you'll be like "IT WORKED!!!"
[03:54] <wilberfan> well, i'm totally spooked at trying to set up two screens again...  the last time I tried (remember i said i've reinstalled mythbuntu 3 times today?), i got two screens going, but they were reversed!   The myth out put was to the monitor--and the desktop was on the TV!
[03:55] <levander> wilberfan: the only file you modify is xorg.conf, just make a copy of it before you change it
[03:55] <wilberfan> i was using the onboard nvidia config thing and the ubuntu 'screens' util
[03:55] <levander> If you screw it up, just copy your old xorg.conf back over it and restart X.
[03:55] <wilberfan> oh, yes...i've done that a LOT in the past!  :)
[03:56] <wilberfan> i take a copy of my xorg.conf to bed with me--for safe keeping!
[03:56] <wilberfan> (kidding)
[03:56] <levander> Always do that before you modify X.  I've gotten caught a few times not doing it.  And, it's saved me after trying for an hour to figure out what I did wrong when I did do it.
[03:57] <wilberfan> i may save the two-screen thing for next weekend...
[03:59] <levander> not a bad idea, you've done a lot already
[04:00] <wilberfan> the sucky thing about xorg, is ONE thing wrong--and it won't start....
[04:00] <wilberfan> argh!
[04:01] <levander> wilberfan: and, it doesn't tell you what's wrong, not even what line, it just says "parse error" when you've just got like a random keystroke 'K' on a line it shouldn't be on
[04:01] <levander> YOu know about /var/log/Xorg.0.log though don't you?  Occasionally I've found stuff in there.
[04:01] <wilberfan> oooh.  there's a "connectedmonitor" option.  wonder if that helps prevent the Firefox Scenario?
[04:02] <levander> wilberfan: maybe, i don't think so, it's like if nvidia driver detects the type of monitor hooked up to that screen incorrectly, ConnectedMonitor overrides it.
[04:03] <levander> wilberfan: what video card you have?
[04:03] <wilberfan> in this box, an nVidia GeForce 5200...
[04:03] <wilberfan> (there's a 6600 in the AMD64x2)
[04:04] <wilberfan> the hauppauge card is installed in the 5200 box...  wanted to get it working on the backup box first....
[04:09] <wilberfan> hey, i think this gives me a root gedit!:  xtoolwait gksu gedit
[04:09] <wilberfan> :)
[04:09] <levander> it does
[04:10] <wilberfan> any parting wisdom you'd like to share?  I think 12 hours of this is enough for today...
[04:10] <wilberfan> ;)
[04:10] <levander> wilberfan: no, just keeping getting your hands dirty, that's how you learn with computers
[04:11] <wilberfan> i can't seem to stop...it's just too challenging and interesting..
[04:11] <levander> Yeah, you're a geek.
[04:11] <wilberfan> ...and sad but true:  the more trouble you get into..the more you learn!
[04:11] <wilberfan> yep!  guilty as charged!
[04:11] <wilberfan> i probably average--no lie-4 or 5 hours a day on this stuff....
[04:12] <levander> I do too.  Well, lately I have been.
[04:12] <wilberfan> thanks again--a ton--for your help today...  i was gettin' frantic there...
[04:12] <levander> np
[04:12] <wilberfan> i would have given up in September of 2006, if not for guys like you!
[04:13] <wilberfan> (Dapper did NOT work right-out-of-the-box!!!)
[04:13] <wilberfan> God bless 'em, Gutsy is a wonderment....
[04:13] <wilberfan> and i REALLY like Sidux, too....
[04:13] <levander> wilberfan: we get it, you're elated
[04:14] <wilberfan> ok.  i'll shut up now...
[04:14] <wilberfan> thanks again...
[04:14] <levander> you don't have to do a Oscar's acceptance speech.
[04:14] <wilberfan> hey, i'm excited about this shit...
[04:14] <wilberfan> ;)
[04:14] <wilberfan> (like you couldn't tell)
[04:14] <levander> don't forget to thank your mother!
[04:14] <wilberfan> LOL
[04:14] <wilberfan> g'nite....
[04:14] <levander> yeah, get som esleep
[04:14] <jb> can anyone tell me why I dont have audio from Mythtv even though I have audio on my regular cd or movies
[04:15] <levander> take a bath or something first to calm down
[04:15] <levander> jb: Have you checked your alsa mixer?  Maybe the mixer channel that does audio for the TV is just muted?
[04:18] <jb> levander: I did and is not muted, only the line in is muted otherwise will have audio even when log out of myth
[04:18] <levander> jb: not sure, i'd search the wiki
[04:18] <jb> tried that but there is very limited info
[04:32] <BHSPitMonkey> hey all
[04:48] <Mersault> Alright, back
[05:02] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Playing some videos but i want to make the mythtv play them all basicially. :) its a bunch of divx videos. There a way to make a playlist?  or am i just overlooking somthing obvious..
[09:59] <axscode> hi, just wondering whats the password for ROOT?
[10:00] <axscode> can you help me
[10:00] <axscode> i have to use the fdisk to repartion my other HD. i need the root
[10:02] <axscode> in the livecd.
[10:23] <directhex|bsp> there is no root account in ubuntu
[10:23] <directhex|bsp> if you want a superuser terminal, use "sudo bash"
[10:24] <hugol1> directhex| there is root account in ubuntu
[10:25] <levander> Can you skip commercials while watching live TV?
[10:25] <hugol1> the password is not set-up
[10:25] <hugol1> levander yes
[10:25] <levander> hugol1: Didn't seem to be working for me.  You hit HOME to skip to the beginning of the next commercial, and END to skip to the end of the next commercial?
[10:26] <hugol1> levander:  I have it automatic
[10:26] <levander> All right, I'm gonna try again.
[10:26] <hugol1> anyway, you have to be way back for it to work
[10:26] <hugol1> I guess it takes its time to scan the full recording for ads
[10:27] <hugol1> it worked for me when I paused live tv in a movie I was watching and went to pick up my girlfriend at her house
[10:27] <directhex|bsp> hugol1, to all intents and purposes there isn't one. you can't log into it, you can't use it, per se
[10:27] <directhex|bsp> hugol1, and assorted config files are all set to force the sudo scheme
[10:27] <hugol1> directhex| then how do I do it
[10:27] <hugol1> ?
[10:28] <hugol1> levander I was like an hour behind live tv and then ad skipping worked
[10:28] <levander> After you've recorded a program, why does it later have to be transcoded?  What is it transcoded to?
[10:28] <levander> hugol1: I'm waiting for a commercial to come up on Live TV before I can try it there.
[10:28] <levander> I just tried it on a recorded show, it worked.  I think.
[10:48] <levander> Commercial skipping is flat out not working on Live TV, even though it is on Recorded shows.
[19:58] <Mersault> Hello, I installed the SVN weekly builds last night on mythbuntu 7.10, but mythmusic requires libflac7, which doesn't exist in the repos I have. Is there a repo I can add that has this package?
[20:15] <MythbuntuGuest91> hello I have this problem with my box (I'm a noob). I just installed mythbuntu, and got a hauppauge 150, when I choose "watch tv" I get the message that MythTV is already using all available inputs for the channel I've selected...but I'm not recording anything whats the issue?
[20:21] <pdragon> sounds like the backend wasn't fully set up
[20:21] <pdragon> make sure you have a video source defined in the backend setup
[20:22] <pdragon> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Gutsy_Backend_Frontend_Desktop
[20:23] <pdragon> i had that happen myself when i first started and i think that's the step i missed
[20:42] <keescook> superm1: uk mirror has had rsync down for the past few days?
[20:48] <tgm4883_laptop> keescook, yep
[20:48] <tgm4883_laptop> afaik, the whole box is down
[20:48] <tgm4883_laptop> it had the website on it too
[21:16] <rhpot1991> anyone using a LVM?
[21:16] <rhpot1991>  !LVM
[21:16] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[21:16] <tgm4883_laptop> not anymore
[21:17] <rhpot1991> I'm trying to upgrade a drive to a large one, but unfortunately I already have 2 SATA drives in the LVM
[21:17] <rhpot1991> so I can't access the LVM without both of them hooked up and can't hook the other drive up to pvmove the drive I am replacing
[21:17] <rhpot1991> seems like there should be some way around this, but I'm not sure how
[21:18]  * tgm4883_laptop shrughs
[21:18] <tgm4883_laptop> i haven't used it in a long time
[21:21] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, I am
[21:22] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, go pickup a 30$ SATA PCI controller and then you can do it
[21:22] <rhpot1991> eh
[21:23] <rhpot1991> no way of temporarily pulling a drive out of the volume so I can add the new one and pvmove?
[21:24] <rhpot1991> I already backed up the contents to a 1TB mybook, so I can just delete the LVM and make a new one, I was trying to avoid the 8 hours of xfer time that will take though
[21:24] <foxbuntu> nope
[21:24] <foxbuntu> u have the two options
[21:25] <tgm4883> can't you just pull the data cable?
[21:25] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, nope...then you can't pvmove
[21:25] <tgm4883> ah
[21:26] <rhpot1991> ya pvmove needs access to the entire volume group it seems
[21:26] <foxbuntu> thats because LVM is really just creating a single mount point for multiple drives, but it still relies on the physical drives
[21:27] <foxbuntu> unlike RAID
[21:27] <foxbuntu> ...as tgm4883 knows now :)
[21:27] <rhpot1991> I don't get why you can't remove a physical volume without moving the contents though
[21:27] <rhpot1991> trying to preseve data I guess
[21:27] <foxbuntu> its because of the way LVM handles writing data to the drive
[21:28] <rhpot1991> ah ok
[21:28] <rhpot1991> think I'd be better pvmoving it to the mybook, or just backing up files that I care about?
[21:29] <foxbuntu> just back it up and rebuild
[21:29] <foxbuntu> good time to clean up your drive
[21:29] <foxbuntu> :)
[21:29] <rhpot1991> not really much junk on them, mostly recordings actually
[21:29] <foxbuntu> but make sure to clear out stuff from the DB if you remove recordings\
[21:29] <rhpot1991> I picked up some storage on black friday, so I figured I could swap some things around and gain more room
[21:30] <foxbuntu> ah
[21:30] <rhpot1991> have you ever done a pvmove?
[21:31] <rhpot1991> howto seems to indicate that it is painfully slow
[21:32] <foxbuntu> yes it will be
[21:32] <foxbuntu> it might actually be faster the other way
[21:32] <rhpot1991> alright
[21:32] <rhpot1991> I'll do it that way then, wont require any extra money then either
[21:32] <foxbuntu> USB 2 is fast enough
[21:36] <rhpot1991> I have seen some errors where a backend tries to transcode a recording that is on another backend, any idea how to stop it from doing that?
[21:38] <Mersault>  installed the SVN weekly builds last night on mythbuntu 7.10, but mythmusic requires libflac7, which doesn't exist in the repos I have. Is there a repo I can add that has this package?
[21:39] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, you could set it to only do jobs on the same backend
[21:40] <rhpot1991> I figured that much by the error, though the master backend is apparently telling the 2nd backend to start the job instead of waiting, wasn't sure if there was a way of disabling that
[21:40] <rhpot1991> it only happens if I queue up more than one transcode
[21:40] <rhpot1991> though I haven't tried to transcode on the 2nd backend yet
[21:51] <superm1> Mersault, um on gutsy there is libflac8
[21:51] <Mersault> ah, I see.
[21:51] <superm1> Mersault, did you install from the feisty component by accident?
[21:53] <Mersault> copy/pasted from the website, which apparently has feisty
[21:53] <Mersault> I just checked, yes it was feisty
[21:53] <superm1> website has feisty on it?
[21:53] <superm1> ruh oh
[21:54] <superm1> yick that is from are ould backup website
[21:54] <superm1> that we had to restore
[21:54] <superm1> i'll fix that
[21:54] <superm1> thanks for the catch
[21:54] <superm1> i hope there are no other mishaps
[21:54] <Mersault> heh
[21:54] <Mersault> glad to be of service :)
[21:55] <superm1> Mersault, if you see anything else that looks wrong feel free to ping
[21:55] <superm1> its possible there were other small changes since then too
[21:55] <Mersault> no problem
[21:56] <superm1> tgm4883, like all the old screenshots came in somehow
[21:56] <Mersault> I just replace feisty with gutsy, right?
[21:56] <superm1> yeah
[21:56] <superm1> i just updated the site
[21:56] <tgm4883> bleh
[21:57] <superm1> is bleh a word?  i thought that was a super paper mario only thing
[21:57] <tgm4883> it is now
[22:05] <superm1> hey frink_ any updates on the server btw?
[22:09] <Mersault> alright, I'm updated to gutsy packages...
[22:11] <superm1> honestly i'm surprised you were even able to install the feisty ones
[22:12] <Mersault> install and use
[22:17] <Mersault> anyway, seems ot be resolved now
[23:33] <rhpot1991> is there anything built into myth for detecting orphaned recordings?