[00:00] <hal9k2010> in 6.10 i am supose to have a trash bin
[00:00] <hal9k2010> no trash bin in the desktop
[00:00] <hal9k2010> did i lost you ?
[00:02] <somerville32> Gah!!
[00:02] <somerville32> :(
[00:02] <ddddd> not patient
[00:03] <ddddd> !nvidia | Deus101
[00:03] <ubotu> Deus101: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:09] <Deus101> ubotu: i have allready done so
[00:12] <ddddd> Deus101: then you have a problem "ome graphics hardware (aka video cards) may need non-free drivers, even though these drivers are not part of the open source community and cannot be fixed by open source software developers. If you encounter bugs with these closed-source drivers, developers will not be able or even willing to assist you in resolving your issues. Use at your own risk."
[00:15] <docgnome> Two questions. First how do I set a keybinding to show the desktop in xubuntu? And second, how do I change the capslock to a ctrl key?
[00:19] <ddddd> docgnome: applications -> settings -> settingsmanager -> keyboard -> second tab -> add (i think) if someone knows better speak out loud !
[00:21] <docgnome> Aye, the problem is how do i add show desktop? It wants a command and I've no idea what to put. I've tried show-desktop and the like but nothing seems to do the trick.
[00:28] <somerville32> docgnome, Try asking in #xfce
[01:25] <docgnome> Has anyone else had problems with Xgl/Compiz and the fglrx driver suddenly deciding no to work?
[01:25] <docgnome> I was logged in and then I logged out and X broke and didn't recognize my monitor/video card properly and refused to use anything but vesa
[01:35] <Dan8765> can someone help me w/ an install?
[01:36] <Dan8765> i'm at the prepare partiions screen
[01:38] <Dan8765> or give me a link
[01:38] <XwarlokX83> can someone tell me how to set a separate wallpaper for each desktop?
[01:42] <Deus101> its cant be driver issue, x hasnt even got a chance to startx
[01:42] <Deus101> start
[02:20] <d1n0> i'm having problems with my two logitech bluetooth dongles. i have bought two dinovo's, the last one is dinovo edge, and the other one is the laser version with a mx1000 mouse (keyboard from this set is deffect and not in use). both mx1000 and dinovo edge works fine under xubuntu, but in ubuntu and kubuntu it doesn't work! Can Anyone help? This channel is kinda flooded, so if you could use /msg i would appreciate it! thx
[03:00] <abhi> hi there
[03:04] <xoss> is wine installable in xubuntu?
[03:04] <XwarlokX82> xoss, yes its in synaptic
[03:05] <xoss> can't seem to get it installed..
[03:05] <XwarlokX82> hmm...
[03:05] <XwarlokX82> thats odd, i have it installed
[03:06] <XwarlokX82> should be version 0.9.46 in synaptic.. whats not working for ya?
[03:06] <xoss> there is no wine package in synaptics
[03:07] <xoss> currently reloading and set repositories to main server
[03:09] <xoss> still no wine package on synaptics
[03:09] <TheSheep> !info wine
[03:09] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.46-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 33097 kB, installed size 103228 kB
[03:09] <TheSheep> !repos | xoss
[03:09] <ubotu> xoss: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[03:10] <xoss> got any touch typing application you can suggest?
[03:10] <TheSheep> xoss: klavaro
[03:10] <xoss> ok will check it out
[03:11] <xoss> thanks TheSheep
[03:14] <XwarlokX82> xoss, do you have those repos enabled?
[03:15] <xoss> just now, i also checked multiverse
[03:15] <xoss> still reloading
[03:17] <TheSheep> xoss: wine is in universe
[03:17] <TheSheep> xoss: you can also add the wine repository to have the absolutely most recent version
[03:18] <TheSheep> !wine | xoss
[03:18] <ubotu> xoss: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[03:18] <xoss> thanks guys
[03:18] <xoss> got it already currently installing
[03:32] <XwarlokX82> I'm nothing if not persistant...damned weather
[04:11] <graelb> Anybody know anything about xubuntu on tablets? I'm trying to get my screen to rotate 90 degrees.... no idea where to start
[04:11] <graelb> Anybody know anything about xubuntu on tablets? I'm trying to get my screen to rotate 90 degrees.... no idea where to start
[04:11] <graelb> whoa wrong window
[04:11] <graelb> pretend i only sent that once
[04:13] <TheSheep> graelb: there is an option in the xorg to rotate the screen, but it requires restarting the X
[04:13] <graelb> hrm...
[04:14] <graelb> TheSheep: there's no way that you know of to do it while X is running?
[04:16] <TheSheep> graelb: no, but ther may be
[04:16]  * graelb nods
[04:16] <TheSheep> graelb: check the forums maybe
[04:16] <graelb> TheSheep: Ok, step ahead of you =)
[04:42] <Dan8765> i just installed linux
[04:42] <Dan8765> how do i change the mouse speed settings?
[04:44] <Dan8765> test
[04:44] <Dan8765> is anyone there?
[04:45] <Catoptromancy> settting menu
[04:47] <Dan8765> k
[04:48] <Dan8765> my firefox update is ghosted
[04:48] <Dan8765> it is 2.0.0.6
[04:48] <Dan8765> i downloaded 2.0.0.9
[04:49] <Dan8765> dont know how to insall it though. :0
[04:49] <TheSheep> Dan8765: which xubuntu are you running?
[04:49] <Dan8765> 7.10
[04:49] <TheSheep> Dan8765: Gutsy?
[04:49] <Dan8765> yes
[04:49] <TheSheep> Dan8765: you should have 2.0.0.8 in the repositories
[04:49] <TheSheep> Dan8765: juts run update
[04:49] <TheSheep> just
[04:53] <Dan8765> it didnt update anything
[05:00] <TheSheep> !info firefox
[05:00] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.8+2nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 8967 kB, installed size 26024 kB
[05:01] <TheSheep> Dan8765: try to upgrade it using synaptic then
[05:03] <Dan8765> it only shows 2.0.0.6
[05:04] <Dan8765> i guess i cant update it then
[05:04] <Dan8765> thats ok
[05:04] <TheSheep> Dan8765: update your database
[05:05] <TheSheep> Dan8765: click on the first icon from the left in synaptic
[05:06] <Dan8765> same
[07:59] <Botzu> Can anybody help me with an installation problem?
[08:00] <Botzu> Pretty please?
[08:02] <Botzu> Ok, so I got the boot CD, Xubuntu screen comes up, I press Start or Install, then it loads up for about 3 minutes...afterwards it goes to a blank screen with a blinking cursor in the upper-left corner...how can I resolve this issue?
[08:04] <Botzu> Ok, so I got the boot CD, Xubuntu screen comes up, I press Start or Install, then it loads up for about 3 minutes...afterwards it goes to a blank screen with a blinking cursor in the upper-left corner...how can I resolve this issue?
[08:04] <Botzu> any thoughts?
[08:08] <Botzu> Ok, so I got the boot CD, Xubuntu screen comes up, I press Start or Install, then it loads up for about 3 minutes...afterwards it goes to a blank screen with a blinking cursor in the upper-left corner...how can I resolve this issue?
[08:09] <Botzu> any thoughts?
[08:21] <Botzu> Ok, so I got the boot CD, Xubuntu screen comes up, I press Start or Install, then it loads up for about 3 minutes...afterwards it goes to a blank screen with a blinking cursor in the upper-left corner...how can I resolve this issue?
[08:21] <Botzu> can anyone help me?
[08:43] <ablomen> Botzu, you dont have to re-post, people may not be watching the channel all the time, but if someone does and has an idea he'll help ya ;)
[08:44] <ablomen> anyway, while loading up, do you get a nice xubuntu logo and status bar, or do you get a lot of text scrolling by?
[08:45] <Botzu> it was the nice bar
[08:46] <Botzu> and sorry for the reposting, I'm just a bit frustrated with this PC
[08:48] <ablomen> hmm if you switch around with ctrl+alt F1 to F7 do you see anything that looks like an error? (when you get the blinking cursor)
[08:49] <Botzu> I didn't try that, but now I can't get the cursor, lol
[08:50] <ablomen> hehe :P
[08:51] <Botzu> I'm attempting to put Xubuntu on an older HP Desktop
[08:52] <Botzu> it's got 192mbs or ram and 32mb graphics card
[08:54] <ablomen> ah then you might want to use the alternate install cd
[08:54] <ablomen> thats a lot better (for old pc's)
[08:54] <ablomen> and new ones imho
[08:54] <Botzu> Ok, I've reached some kind of console using the f1+ctrl+alt
[08:54] <Botzu> ahh
[08:54] <Botzu> ok
[08:54] <Botzu> is there anything i could do from this screen?
[08:54] <Botzu> it doesn't say there are any errors
[08:55] <Botzu> well wait...
[08:55] <ablomen> well id just download the alternate cd, it will save you a lot of trouble
[08:55] <Botzu> ok
[08:55] <ablomen> its an easy install aswell, just ncurses (text) based
[08:55] <Botzu> thanks for the help ablomen :)
[08:55] <ablomen> np, good luck Botzu :)
[09:43] <gerro> Botz: noapic option
[09:44] <gerro> ablomen: certain amd processors don't have pic chip A to control irqs and therefor give a blank screen
[09:44] <ablomen> gerro, ah hmm good to remember for next time
[09:45] <gerro> yeah safe mode helps and so does alternate install however grub menu.lst will have to be edited to have noapic boot option
[09:45] <ablomen> just hope the alternate install will fix it for him too, i figured it was a ram problem
[09:45] <ablomen> ah ok
[09:45] <gerro> well if he's about later tell him
[09:46] <ablomen> yep :)
[09:46] <gerro> my little bro got a comp just this summer had that happen
[09:47] <ablomen> hmm yeah heard acpi is kinda crap nowadays, after a certain big company laid its hand on it
[11:37] <WauloK> I have a Q..
[11:41] <WauloK> i might have to try the forum :-/
[14:19] <Dan8765> question: how do i find my hard drive partitions?
[14:19] <Dan8765> whats the dir
[14:19] <vinze> Dan8765, when they are mounted, they will mostly display in /media
[14:19] <Dan8765> i'm trying to locate my bookmarks dir so i  can import from my windows dir
[14:19] <Dan8765> well when i go to import it doesnt show the volumes
[14:20] <Dan8765> its system/...?
[14:20] <vinze> Dan8765, are you sure it is mounted?
[14:20] <Dan8765> yeah
[14:20] <vinze> Dan8765, and where do you click import?
[14:20] <Dan8765> hold pls
[14:20] <Dan8765> i think it wasnt mounted
[14:20] <Dan8765> :)
[14:21] <vinze> :P
[14:21] <Pres-Gas> shadebug, did you figure out your issue from Friday?
[14:21] <Dan8765> cool got that figured out
[14:21] <Dan8765> yeah ur right /media
[14:22] <Dan8765> i got firefox updated, jre installed and flash player
[14:23] <Dan8765> i dont think my audio works though
[14:23] <Dan8765> where do i go to check the volume control
[14:23] <Dan8765> make sure its not muted or something
[14:23] <vinze> Dan8765, you can add a Volume Control applet to the panel
[14:23] <Dan8765> ok
[14:23] <Dan8765> just right click i seen that
[14:23] <vinze> Or you could run xfce4-mixer
[14:23] <Dan8765> i added a system resource thing to the bottom taskbar
[14:24] <Dan8765> from terminal?
[14:24] <vinze> Dan8765, yeah
[14:24] <Dan8765> i can do that from any dir?
[14:24] <vinze> Yes
[14:24] <Dan8765> thanks
[14:31] <Dan8765> anyone know how i get my audio to work?
[14:31] <Dan8765> i got a sb pci512 sound card
[14:31] <Dan8765> im' new to linux just installed it last night
[14:31] <Dan8765> everything works except audio
[14:31] <codenamekt> make sure volume all the way up on mixer
[14:31] <Dan8765> yes i did check that
[14:31] <codenamekt> wish i knew the command off hand but i don't
[14:31] <codenamekt> do lspci in terminal
[14:32] <codenamekt> tell me if u see the card
[14:32] <Dan8765> does it make audio beep like windows does when u adjust volume level?
[14:33] <Dan8765> whats the best way to test my audio
[14:33] <Dan8765> i dont think i can play mp3's yet
[14:33] <vinze> Dan8765, play music?
[14:33] <vinze> Dan8765, there's music in /usr/share/example-content
[14:34] <codenamekt> Dan8765, did u do lspci or are u ignoring me now
[14:34] <Dan8765> y would i bee ignoring u
[14:34] <Dan8765> lspci?
[14:34] <Dan8765> what is that
[14:35] <codenamekt> a command to run in terminal for the second time
[14:36] <Dan8765> ran that
[14:36] <Dan8765> sorry i got to run back and forth from pc's
[14:36] <Dan8765> i'm on my other windows machine
[14:36] <vinze> :P
[14:36] <Dan8765> i dont have irc for the linux system yet
[14:37] <codenamekt> did u see your sound card listed?
[14:37] <Dan8765> yeah it said multimedia dev somthing
[14:37] <Dan8765> just a sec
[14:37] <codenamekt> i so bet it is ur volume levels
[14:37] <codenamekt> pretty sure soundblaster cards are supported pretty well
[14:38] <Dan8765> ok let me go that that dir that vinze said and try to play some music
[14:38] <codenamekt> has even tried to play sound before this?
[14:39] <codenamekt> how did he know his card didn't work if he never had sound to play
[14:39] <codenamekt> if a tree falls and no one is there to hear it does it make a boom?
[14:39] <vinze> codenamekt, there's probably a #philosophy for that ;-)
[14:40] <Dan8765> no i never tried to lpay sound
[14:41] <Dan8765> i just installed linux last night
[14:41] <codenamekt> did it work?
[14:41] <Dan8765> oh i mean yeah it works for windows
[14:41] <Dan8765> i got a dual boot on that pc
[14:41] <codenamekt> but the sound did it play
[14:41] <Dan8765> yeah, well let me go reboot and make sure
[14:41] <Dan8765> havn't check audio in long time
[14:41] <codenamekt> lol
[14:41] <Dan8765> i really udont use audio much for that pc
[14:42] <Dan8765> no speakers, i just have earbuds
[14:42] <Dan8765> lol
[14:42] <codenamekt> my three year old only gets earbuds with her computer
[14:42] <codenamekt> keeps her sitting down i love em
[14:44] <Dan8765> yep audio wroks in windows
[14:44] <Dan8765> rebooting...
[14:44] <codenamekt> thats why u rebooted?
[14:44] <codenamekt> i gotta go to work
[14:45] <Dan8765> no i booted to xp
[14:45] <Dan8765> to check my audio card was working
[14:45] <Dan8765> now i'm going back to linux
[14:45] <Dan8765> to figure out why my sound donesnt work
[14:46] <Dan8765> oh ok codenekt thanks for your help
[14:46] <jaybird7> Hello, will using a lighter distro make my laptop battery last longer?
[14:46] <Dan8765> i like how it saves ur sesions on exit
[14:46] <Dan8765> my windows are back up so i dont have to go through those dirs again
[14:50] <Pres-Gas> jaybird7, depends.  If you are using a lighter distro, but watching alot of youtube, you may not see all that much benefit.  A lighter distro may not use as much cpu/gpu cycles with eyecandy though.
[14:51] <jaybird7> okay thank you Pres-Gas
[14:53] <Pres-Gas> jaybird7, I will admit that I miss windowmaker, but until I get the hang of all the wireless stuff, I admire the integration of gnome for laptops at least
[14:56] <jaybird7> Pres-Gas : okay, sorry i dont really understand.   i dont know what windowmaker is? nor do i know what is meant by the integration of gnome for laptops? and when talking about wireless stuff are you talking about programming stuff?
[15:15] <Dan8765> got my audio working
[15:16] <vinze> Dan8765, how?
[15:17] <Dan8765> what do in install to get my mp3's to play...its give error... Audio Codec 'MPEG 1 Layer 3 CBR' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some tyupes of movies
[15:17] <Dan8765> i didnt have my recommended updates
[15:17] <Dan8765> i just had the critical ones installed
[15:17] <Dan8765> i did the recommended then rebooted and ti worked
[15:21] <Dan8765> anyone know how to get mp3's to play
[15:21] <Dan8765> ?
[15:21] <vinze> Dan8765, with which media player?
[15:22] <Dan8765> i was using totem movie player
[15:22] <Dan8765> will it not play them?
[15:22] <vinze> Yeah of course it will
[15:22] <vinze> Dan8765, you mean the one shipped by default with Xubuntu 7.10?
[15:22] <Dan8765> yes
[15:22] <Dan8765> like i said i just installed this and am new to it all
[15:22] <Dan8765> only thing i done so far is update firefox, install jre, and flashplayer
[15:23] <Dan8765> now i got my audio working
[15:23] <vinze> Dan8765, you can install xubuntu-restricted-extras to get most codecs working
[15:23] <Dan8765> i need a plugin apparently to play mp3's
[15:23] <Dan8765> ok
[15:23] <Dan8765> ty
[15:23] <vinze> Dan8765, but for just MP3 you should install libxine1-ffmpeg
[15:24] <Dan8765> thats in the repository?
[15:24] <vinze> Dan8765, yes
[15:24] <vinze> Dan8765, but perhaps you need to enable "multiverse"
[15:24] <vinze> Dan8765, in Settings->Repositories in Synaptic
[15:26] <Dan8765> installing the libxine1ffmeg now
[15:26] <shadebug> Pres-Gas: not as yet, I got wire shark involved and then realised I didn't have the faintest idea on how to use it. Though I'm currently nowhere near the computer in question so I can't do too much about it
[15:27] <Dan8765> works now thx vinze
[15:27] <vinze> Dan8765, no problem :)
[15:35] <Pres-Gas> shadebug, that is cool, I have been ducking in and out but wondered what was up.
[15:37] <shadebug> Pres-Gas: good to know somebody cares
[15:38] <Pres-Gas> lol
[15:38] <Pres-Gas> Indeed
[15:39] <Pres-Gas> Well, I am in support and have a lot to learn myself, so I am interested in how problems are getting solved.
[15:39] <Pres-Gas> All while listening to Shellac
[15:42] <Dan8765> what you guys using for irc?
[15:42]  * vinze uses Xchat
[15:42] <Dan8765> k
[15:42]  * Pres-Gas uses finch...your one stop IM shop.
[15:42] <shadebug> irssi, ftw
[15:42] <shadebug> irssi + bitlbee = orrsum
[15:43] <Dan8765> which is more like mirc
[15:43] <Dan8765> ?
[15:43]  * vinze doesn't know mirc
[15:44] <Dan8765> ok
[15:44] <Dan8765> i'll try xchat
[15:44] <Dan8765> 2.8.4?
[15:45] <vinze> Mine is 2.8.4 yes
[15:45] <vinze> The normal one, not xchat-gnome
[15:49] <Dan8765_linux> open for busines
[15:49] <Dan8765_linux> :)
[15:50] <vinze> :)
[15:50] <Dan8765> jlkj
[15:51] <Dan8765> to remove a usb drive what is the best/correct way?
[15:51] <Dan8765> just unmount then unplug/
[15:51] <Dan8765> ?
[15:51] <vinze> Dan8765, yes
[15:51] <Dan8765> ok
[15:53] <Dan8765> how do i check what screen res im running?
[15:54] <Dan8765> i guess its not in desktop prfs
[15:55] <Dan8765> oh seeting msanager
[15:58] <Dan8765> i must not have the right drivers for my vid card cause the screen savesr are very low fps
[16:00] <Dan8765_linux> test
[16:36] <nick4> I get a window open whenever I insert a CD in the CD-ROM drive or a USB storage device. I still want them to auto-mount but not open a window. How do I do this?
[16:42] <vinze> nick4, in Thunar, go to Edit->Prefences, Advanced tab, click "configure"
[16:43] <nick4> ahh, thank you vinze :) I was looking for this in Applications > System
[16:43] <vinze> :)
[16:43] <vinze> It's a bit obscure, yeah
[16:51] <Dan8765> hybernation works good....turns my pc completely off
[16:52] <somerville32> Dan8765, Thats what it is suppose to do
[16:53] <Dan8765> great now i turned it back on and i got no dislay
[16:54] <somerville32> It will come
[16:54] <somerville32> lol
[16:54] <Dan8765> second boot worked
[16:54] <Dan8765> i just installed my nvida drivers
[16:54] <Dan8765> thought a had a big problem for a minute there
[16:55] <somerville32> When it resumes from hibernate, it is in screensaver mood
[16:55] <somerville32> So you have to wake it
[16:56] <Dan8765> how do i logout and logback in
[16:56] <Dan8765> i seen it was like ctrl alt l
[16:56] <Dan8765> that dont work for me
[16:56] <somerville32> Click Applications > Quit
[16:56] <Dan8765> like in Xp you hit windows key L
[16:57] <Dan8765> ok
[16:57] <Dan8765> i'm rebooting again
[16:57] <somerville32> see: Applications > Settings > Keyboard for bindings
[16:57] <Dan8765> i think cause of the hybernate it didtn save my res settings
[16:57] <Dan8765> ok
[16:58] <Dan8765> didnt save it that time either
[16:58] <Dan8765> keeps going back to 1280x1024
[17:00] <Dan8765> i dont have a keybaord for bindings
[17:01] <somerville32> You don't use a keyboard?
[17:02] <Dan8765> yes, but i mean i dont have a aplaications/settings/keyboard for bidig
[17:03] <Dan8765> im using 7.10
[17:03] <Dan8765> i have keyboard settings but dont see a tab for bindings
[17:04] <somerville32> Shortcuts, I think it is called
[17:05] <Dan8765> thers and fllock4 cntl+alt+delete
[17:05] <Dan8765> but it dont work
[17:10] <Dan8765> i guess its cntl alt backspace
[17:17] <somerville32> :/
[17:59] <chimp> Hey i just installed xubuntu on a laptop, 1ghz cpu, 230 odd meg of ram, and its running extremely slowly, i know i wasnt expecting anything lightning fast, but it ran xp quite a bit faster
[17:59] <chimp> For example if i go onto "resources" on system monitor, it maxes the cpu out at 100%
[18:00] <somerville32> Thats really weird
[18:00] <somerville32> I wonder what process is maxing out.
[18:00] <somerville32> Can you bring up the process list?
[18:01] <chimp> erm oh wait, sorry its the process list that makes it max out
[18:01] <chimp> and if i go onto it, then onto resources, it will show it having been on 100% the whole time it was on the processes list
[18:01] <chimp> yet the processes list only shows about 10-15% total for all the processes
[18:02] <somerville32> Open up the terminal and type: top
[18:02] <chimp> Will do, gimme a second its rebooting
[18:02] <somerville32> It should list the processes by CPU usage
[18:02] <chimp> ahh thats useful
[18:05] <chimp> Ok, fresh reboot running nothing but a terminal Xorg is using ~50%
[18:05] <somerville32> Oh wow.
[18:06] <somerville32> chimp, Did you change any of your X settings?
[18:06] <chimp> I did nothing
[18:06] <chimp> I installed it via netboot
[18:06] <chimp> And this is how it was when it finished
[18:06] <somerville32> What version of Xubuntu are you running?
[18:06] <chimp> Although, when the netboot installation finished (i went off to uni and came back few hrs later) it had just a black screen and was doing nothing, had to reboot it
[18:06] <chimp> 7.10
[18:07] <somerville32> Video card?
[18:07] <chimp> some old crappy one
[18:07] <chimp> 1 sec
[18:07] <chimp> ill tell you
[18:07] <chimp> Silicon Motion SM720 Lynx3DM
[18:26] <chimp> so no idea how to help?
[18:27] <evil_tech> what is the problem?
[18:28] <chimp> 50% usage of cpu from xorg when i do top in terminal
[18:29] <evil_tech> ouch
[18:30] <evil_tech> what are the specs on that vid card and the contents of xorg.conf
[18:31] <evil_tech> the main things i can think of that could cause that are incorrect color depth or possibly incorrectly set framebuffer size
[18:32] <evil_tech> i've had that happen on older laptops where X trys to run at 24 bit color depth and the video only supports 16 or lower
[18:33] <evil_tech> so the extra color information has to be processed by ram and cpu (or swap if there isnt a whole lot of ram)
[18:33] <chimp> ahh ill have a look
[18:34] <chimp> hard to get info on this card
[18:35] <chimp> xorg is the default one it installed with ill try to show you it
[18:35] <evil_tech> pastebin it please
[18:36] <chimp> erm difficult
[18:36] <evil_tech> dont wanna get yelled at :D (though it is a good way to get TheSheep attention :P )
[18:36] <chimp> You see, havent got the wireless pcmia card working properly yet
[18:36] <chimp> So im typing through my desktop
[18:36] <evil_tech> ah
[18:37] <evil_tech> well in that case just tell me what xorg.conf says the color depth is
[18:37] <chimp> takes time, laptop is running sooo slow because of this
[18:37] <chimp> takes 30s+ to open a terminal
[18:39] <evil_tech> kill x and go to command line
[18:39] <chimp> well this is weird
[18:40] <chimp> I tried changing the screen type in "screens and graphics" from "plug and play" to lcd 1024x... and it messed up for a while, placed me back at the login screen, gives me a resolution smaller than the screen so that the screen has black edges, but xorg only using <3% now
[18:40] <chimp> yeah, it changed the resolution to 800x600 by itself
[18:41] <chimp> Even though im sure thats not its native resolution
[18:41] <evil_tech> hmm
[18:44] <evil_tech> ive had that problem in Fluxbuntu
[18:44] <chimp> default depth 24
[18:44] <evil_tech> i think that is too high for that card
[18:44] <evil_tech> what are the rest of the specs on the machine
[18:45] <chimp> 1ghz ( tho its some non pentium or amd type processor)
[18:45] <chimp> 230meg ram
[18:45] <chimp> ill set it to what, 16 bit?
[18:46] <evil_tech> hmm
[18:46] <evil_tech> id say reconfigure x and put it at 1024x768 and 16 bit color
[18:47] <evil_tech> see if it likes that
[18:47] <evil_tech> is it a cyrix?
[18:47] <chimp> k
[18:47] <evil_tech> type cat /proc/cpuinfo in a terminal
[18:47] <chimp> Cruesoe
[18:48] <chimp> Crusoe*
[18:48] <chimp> yer, "transmeta crusoe"
[18:49] <evil_tech> hmm
[18:49] <evil_tech> heard of them but thats all i know
[19:12] <chimp> is there anywhere to set the colour depth other than in xorg.conf
[19:13] <evil_tech> not that i know of
[19:14] <evil_tech> you could technically just edit xorg.conf without running the reconfiguration and then restart x
[19:15] <evil_tech> i forget what the command to do that is. CTRL + ALT + Backspace?
[19:15] <evil_tech> no
[19:15] <evil_tech> blarg cant remember
[19:15] <chimp> ctrl-alt-backspace restarts x
[19:16] <chimp> This is annoying
[19:16] <chimp> now even though its native resoltuions is 1024x7.... it is doing that thing were the screen is shown at 800x600 and you can scroll at the edges
[19:17] <evil_tech> so it is running 1024 x 768 in an 800 x 600 sized space
[19:17] <evil_tech> that is annoying
[19:30] <chimp> wow
[19:30] <chimp> well thats odd
[19:30] <chimp> now the splash screen looks and runs fast
[19:30] <chimp> erm login screen
[19:30] <chimp> but after logging it its totally messed :P
[19:30] <evil_tech> lol
[19:31] <chimp> is there a shortcut to quit x
[19:32] <chimp> so i just have a prompt
[19:33] <evil_tech> well you could kill x
[19:33] <wyrd> ctrl + alt + F1 to 6
[19:34] <wyrd> will give you one of 6 consoles
[19:34] <evil_tech> that leaves x running on F7 though
[19:34] <wyrd> and then you can kill it
[19:34] <evil_tech> at the login screen you can switch to one of the TTY
[19:41] <evil_tech> yay packet tracer runs in WINE
[19:52] <chimp> how can i start x from the  command line please :)
[19:52] <wyrd> /etc/init.d/gdm start
[19:52] <wyrd> if memory serves
[19:52] <wyrd> or startx
[19:53] <chimp> errr
[19:53] <chimp> things are messed
[19:53] <wyrd> how so?
[19:54] <chimp> thing it needs a reboot basically
[19:54] <chimp> hard to describe
[20:01] <methods[death]> what is safe graphics mode ?
[20:01] <methods[death]> does the desktop cd not include the alternative install ?
[20:05] <evil_tech> starts x with the minimum needed to run
[20:05] <evil_tech> if you want the alternative install then you need to down the alternative disc
[20:16] <chimpo> Hmm ok i really buggered the xorg.conf by changing the screen type in "screens and graphics(or something like thaT)
[20:16] <chimpo> and i cant remeber what was a setting that worked
[20:16] <chimpo> since i can only access the xorg.conf now and not the one when x boots
[20:16] <TheSheep> chimpo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[20:17] <chimpo> cheers
[20:27] <chimpo> garghhh, went through all of the reconfigure thing, and its still messed, how odd
[21:16] <drc822> i installed kubuntu a while back and decided that i do not like kde so i installed xfce instead. now that seems to be really unstable as im using a lot of kde apps. Dont think that it should matter that much but xfce seems to crash constantly on different situations
[21:16] <drc822> just wondering if i have done something wrong and what not..
[21:18] <drc822> bleh lah..
[21:20] <NullName> you guys how can I turn on color editing with vim in xubuntu 7.10?
[21:21] <NullName> when I do ":syntax on" it says I hae the wrong version
[21:23] <zoredache> NullName: which version of vim are you using?
[21:24] <zoredache> the 'default' vim-tiny package doesn't support highlightig I think
[21:25] <zoredache> try install vim-full
[21:25] <nopcode> hey
[21:25] <nopcode> how do i rescue my xubuntu installation? the boot loaders gone
[21:25] <NullName> zoredache: 7.1
[21:26] <NullName> nevermind zoredache: I just found a shitload of plugins under synaptic
[21:26] <nopcode> i've been trying to boot with the 7.10 x64 boot cd but i only get a black screen after the boot menu
[21:26] <NullName> I'm installing a ton of vim addons and what not
[21:26] <NullName> it should do the trick
[21:26] <NullName> thanks guys...that did it
[21:27] <nopcode> i mean
[21:27] <nopcode> it sticks at this black screen ,right
[21:27] <nopcode> but at some point it starts loading stuff
[21:27] <nopcode> but nevertheless, the screen stays black.
[21:32] <nopcode> i'm trying the alternate cd now
[21:32] <nopcode> but i really feel selecting "text mode" should print _something_ about the booting process
[21:32] <nopcode> if only so people know it's not dead
[21:32] <nopcode> since it sits on a black screen for ages until it does something on the drive
[21:39] <chimpo> This is still really pissing me off
[21:39] <chimpo> At the login screen its absolutely perfect
[21:39] <chimpo> full screen everything
[21:39] <chimpo> soon as i log in, all hell breaks loose
[21:44] <brick__> could someone point me to a place where i can find some info on how to setup a "live terminal"(terminal as a part off the desktop background) ,, ?
[21:45] <nopcode> docs of your WM prolly
[21:45] <nopcode> and maybe man xterm
[21:45] <brick__> ok.. i heard it was possible using conky... is that right ?
[21:48] <zoredache> the conky package description seems to suggest that as a possibility... I haven't used it though...
[21:49] <slow-motion> hallo
[21:58] <chimpo> When booting from grub, what commands can i give it so it doesnt boot into x, but into a terminal?
[21:58] <zoredache> choose the rescue mode?
[22:00] <chimpo> ahh
[22:00]  * chimpo is fool
[22:23] <Alyxander> hey room
[22:27] <somerville32> Hi
[22:30] <POVaddct> moin
[22:31] <POVaddct> warum zum geier man denn adept, wenn man xubuntu hat?
[22:32] <POVaddct> *nimmt man
[22:32] <POVaddct> nevermind
[22:43] <bmod> hi ppl
[22:45] <bmod> how can i stop x from running (ie. just bash, no x)
[22:45] <bmod> ?
[22:46] <somerville32> bmod, You just disable it from starting at boot
[22:46] <bmod> i used to do 'init 3' or so, but it doesn't seem to work properly
[22:46] <nanonyme> you'd have to disable gdm
[22:47] <bmod> gdm? (i'm sorry, i'm having a really awkward video mode right now)
[22:47] <nanonyme> gnome display manager
[22:47] <nanonyme> it's the one that starts X
[22:47] <bmod> 3
[22:47] <bmod> ok
[22:48] <nanonyme> also
[22:48] <nanonyme> bmod, ctrl+alt+f1 gets you a non-X shell
[22:49] <nanonyme> ctrl+alt+f7 brings you back
[22:49] <bmod> yeah i know, but i need to disable x temporarily to install the nvidia drivers (that's what i'm trying to do anyway)
[22:49] <bmod> oh x
[22:50] <bmod> X
[22:50] <bmod> ok sorry for the spam
[22:51] <nanonyme> bmod, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[22:51] <nanonyme> then install nvidia drivers
[22:52] <nanonyme> (most ubuntu users would install them and boot the computer)
[22:52] <bmod> hehe, but i could use 'gdm start' to restart x?
[22:53] <nanonyme> sure
[22:53] <bmod> thnx
[22:53] <nanonyme> if X is setup properly
[22:53] <bmod> i hope i'm smart enough for that (prolly not)
[22:54] <bmod> here goes nothing
[22:54] <bmod> oh btw, i have a tty that's trying to stop cupsd
[22:55] <bmod> apparently i had problems with cupsys during the upgrade to the latest xubuntu
[22:55] <bmod> is that something i did?
[22:56] <bmod> or does the cups thing have problems anyway
[22:58] <bmod> [spam spam] my terminals stopped reacting to user(lamer?) input
[22:58] <somerville32> do: /etc/init.d/gdm start
[22:58] <bmod> as root
[22:58] <bmod> ?
[22:59] <somerville32> To restart X, when you're ready, yea
[23:01] <dooglus> is there any way to set my locale in xubuntu?
[23:01] <dooglus> I want pidgin to spellcheck in english, not american
[23:03] <somerville32> Applications > System > Language Support
[23:04] <dooglus> thanks
[23:05] <dooglus> heh, it's installing over 15MB of stuff and it didn't even ask what language I want yet!
[23:05] <somerville32> :D
[23:05] <somerville32> It is just that smart
[23:06] <dooglus> it's downloading 10,8MB of 'openoffice.org-help-en-gb'
[23:06] <dooglus> I don't use openoffice at all - that's not very smart :)
[23:06] <somerville32> lol
[23:07] <dooglus> I just want pidgin not to keep telling me that colour is spelled wrong
[23:07] <somerville32> Is OpenOffice installed?
[23:07] <dooglus> I guess so
[23:07] <dooglus> I think ubuntu-desktop depends on it
[23:08] <somerville32> You have it ubuntu-desktop installed?
[23:09] <bmod> well so far so good, but which package do i need for the libc headers?
[23:09] <bmod> i have libc6 but that prob won't do
[23:11] <dooglus> I have ubuntu-desktop installed, yes.  some users use GNOME
[23:12] <dooglus> bmod: libc6-dev
[23:13] <bmod> thanks
[23:14] <bmod> wow tty chat looks much better
[23:15] <somerville32> :)
[23:16] <bmod> why is there no 'default' nvidia support within ubuntu for noobs like me?
[23:16] <dooglus> bmod: irssi is nice
[23:17] <dooglus> somerville32: what do my non-root xfce users do to set their language?
[23:17] <dooglus> somerville32: I speak English, but some of the people using this PC want to use Czech
[23:17] <somerville32> Umm..
[23:18] <bmod> irssi?
[23:18] <dooglus> setting the default language seems to need the sudo password
[23:18] <dooglus> is there no per-user setting?
[23:18] <dooglus> bmod: it's a console IRC client
[23:18] <bmod> ah yes i see
[23:19] <somerville32> dooglus, I'm not entirely sure. Try asking TheSheep
[23:19] <somerville32> or in #xfce
[23:20] <dooglus> somerville32: I asked in #xfce - they told me "make sure that PAM includes it in the environment"
[23:22] <dooglus> I seem to remember that gdm used to have a 'language' drop down, but it's not there in gutsy, as far as I can see
[23:22] <wbadger> bmod, are you just trying to install the nvidia driver?
[23:23] <bmod> yes and i succeeded
[23:24] <wbadger> ok but is there a reason why you didn't use the restricted drivers manager included in xubuntu?
[23:24] <bmod> BUT my screen is 'stuck' at 640x480 and i really like guis and wizards to configure video modes (and the window does'n fit)
[23:25] <bmod> restricted? is that the one that popped up automatically?
[23:25] <wbadger> I don't know if it does
[23:25] <wbadger> but that is the standard way to install nvidia drivers since feisty
[23:25] <bmod> oh yeah it did
[23:25] <wbadger> you just tick the driver
[23:26] <bmod> damn, it just installed it automatically
[23:26] <wbadger> and that's not.. don't have to turn off the gui or anything...
[23:26] <wbadger> that's it*
[23:26] <bmod> ok that's the way i did it before
[23:27] <bmod> but i have a hard time setting the resolution (the confirmation button flows out of my screen)
[23:27] <somerville32> Press atl + click on the window to drag it
[23:27] <wbadger> exactly..
[23:27] <wbadger> also you could have just set the resolution and not install drivers
[23:28] <bmod> *doh*
[23:28] <bmod> i must be dead tired i guess
[23:31] <bmod> so... 'screen and graphics' is the window to use for resolution and enabling a second monitor?
[23:32] <somerville32> :]
[23:32] <bmod> then 'logging off' to see changes actually means restarting x right?
[23:33] <somerville32> It should change the resolution right then and there
[23:33] <bmod> oh it doesn't
[23:34] <bmod> it asks me to log in again (but restarting gdm/x does the trick)
[23:34] <bmod> (ohhh i'm getting there!)
[23:35] <somerville32> :)
[23:35] <bmod> then again, the nvidia drivers i just installed, seem to recognise my monitors, the screen&graphics thing doesn't show that to me
[23:36] <bmod> (btw i'm really glad you're helping)
[23:37] <somerville32> I'm not very good at graphic stuff but I'll try my best :]
[23:37] <somerville32> and no problem :]
[23:37] <somerville32> Thats what Ubuntu (Xubuntu) is all about :]
[23:38] <bmod> so it seems, and what it tries to do, it does really well in my opinion
[23:41] <bmod> oh i just updated to the latest version (x)ubuntu but the updater halted halfway, can i force it to redo the whole thing just to make sure?
[23:46] <somerville32> bmod, no need
[23:46] <somerville32> Just continue
[23:49] <bmod> oh it's that smart eh, nice
[23:50] <bmod> but i cant get my screens set up properly
[23:51] <bmod> well i'll fiddle around a bit
[23:51] <somerville32> What seems to be the problem?
[23:51] <bmod> i set my larger monitor to 1600*1200 (which should work), manually specifying the brand/type
[23:52] <bmod> then it gives me 640*480 and (nice) scrolling
[23:52] <bmod> but not the full res
[23:53] <somerville32> Very weird.
[23:53] <bmod> i guess it has something to do with the proper h/v refresh rates?
[23:54] <somerville32> Maybe. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to X
[23:54] <bmod> the nvidia drivers (sysinfo window > nvidia setup window) usually does it right
[23:54]  * somerville32 nods.
[23:58] <bmod> i'm tossing a coin: TwinView or Seperate X Screens?
[23:59] <bmod> argl now i have that scrolling with the nvidia driver as well