[00:00] <flaccid> should return something like ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data
[00:03] <Rukus> Daisuke_Ido: yes xpress 200m
[00:04] <Daisuke_Ido> Rukus: tried the new drivers?
[00:04] <Daisuke_Ido> they make xgl a thing of the past
[00:04] <Daisuke_Ido> adds in aiglx support (which is part of xorg, so no more performance hit)
[00:08] <jonrysh> (genii+claetus) The method in the posting is for .deb's that have *already* been downloaded.  Is there a convenient way to tell apt-get or adept or whatever that I want the 32-bit version of something -- while running an x86_64 system?
[00:20] <matt___> what can i format a disk with in kubuntu? its a hard disk.
[00:20] <Rukus> Daisuke_Ido: apparently aiglx doesnt work great with xpress 200m
[00:22] <Rukus> should i try?
[00:23] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm...  i would hold off then
[00:25] <Rukus> yah
[00:28] <kalorin> anyone else on gusty have an issue with some updates that are available today?
[00:28] <kalorin> I told it to pull them and install and it says that a commit might break things and drops out
[00:28] <kalorin> it was a fresh install
[00:35] <Cold_Inz> Hi, Could someone please tell me WHEN swap is needed ? I'm unsure of it's functionality, and I somehow think it's related to a complete freeze/lockup my system gets every now and then. (after some time playing World of Warcraft.)
[00:35] <Dragnslcr> When you don't have enough RAM for all of the programs that need it
[00:35] <Cold_Inz> hm, ok
[00:36] <Dragnslcr> You should generally have 1-2 times as much swap space as RAM
[00:36] <Dragnslcr> So if you have 2 GB of RAM, you probably want 3-4 GB of swap space
[00:36] <Cold_Inz> I just upgraded from feisty to gutsy, and these freezeups have shown themselves, is this anything known ?
[00:36] <Cold_Inz> I've got 1g RAM and 489mb swap :P
[00:36] <artur_> Hi folks. I don't know what i did, that the kubuntu stop the automatic detection of the wireless conection when i start the system. It seens that now the connection must be configurated manually. What could i do the make it automatic(and working well) again?
[00:37] <hcbox> I got some issues in tryign to patch my ubuntu for UDF 2.5
[00:38] <hcbox> insmod udf returns no such directory or file oO
[00:38] <sven_> Cold_Inz, swap is like ram, but on harddrive.. its cheaper, but very very very much slower.. When your system starts using swap, you'll know because the speed drops dramatically
[00:38] <mordaunt> when is vmware for gutsy coming out?
[00:38] <sven_> Cold_Inz, and I dunno the specs for WOW (Does that run on kubuntu??) but normally, 1GB should be more than enough
[00:39] <flaccid> mordaunt: vmware what exactly . see http://vmware .com and !virtualisation or !vmware
[00:39] <Cold_Inz> sven_: ah ok, thanks =) yeah it runs on kubuntu with wine
[00:39] <mordaunt> flaccid: vmware-server
[00:39] <sven_> Cold_Inz, try to keep an eye on your mem usage using the command "free" in your shell
[00:39] <mordaunt> feisty had vmware in the repos
[00:39] <flaccid> mordaunt: you can d/l that from vmware.com . its a commercial product
[00:40] <sven_> Cold_Inz, if / when you see that swap usage goes up, it might give you a clue
[00:40] <mordaunt> yea i know =) i just liked having a package for it
[00:40] <flaccid> vmware player is probably in the repos
[00:40] <Cold_Inz> sven_: I've got a monitor for it, but when it locks my system during gameplay, the game kinda covers the screen, making it hard to backtrack =/
[00:40] <sven_> Cold_Inz, you could also have a top running, which will also give you info on CPU usage and more
[00:40] <flaccid> mordaunt: vmware would need to create the package and/or repos
[00:40] <sven_> Cold_Inz, mmmmm...maybe top can output to a file? and after a reboot, you could do tail topoutput.txt or something like that?
[00:40] <Cold_Inz> sven_: it also happens after like 1/2-1hour or more, just like that without any notice
[00:41] <mordaunt> flaccid i see :\
[00:41] <flaccid> there are free alternatives
[00:41] <flaccid> !virtualization
[00:41] <ubotu> There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications
[00:41] <sven_> Cold_Inz, Could not be related to hardware overheating or something like that?
[00:41] <sven_> !QEmu
[00:41] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[00:42] <Cold_Inz> sven_: not impossible, had that problem alot, but when cpu goes too hot, an alarm goes off
[00:42] <mordaunt> ubotu: i know.. but nothing is quite as solid as vmware
[00:43] <mordaunt> doh =D
[00:43] <artur_> Hi folks. I don't know what i did, that the kubuntu stop the automatic detection of the wireless conection when i start the system. It seens that now the connection must be configurated manually. What could i do the make it automatic(and working well) again?
[00:43] <mordaunt> @sven_
[00:45] <sven_> mordaunt, what @ me?
[00:45] <mordaunt>  i know.. but nothing is quite as solid as vmware
[00:46] <mordaunt> i addressed the bot with it
[00:46] <mordaunt> arrh... should've gone to flaccid XD
[00:47] <dannybuntu_> dannybuntu
[00:47] <VertexOfLife> Has anyone tried out KDE4 yet?
[00:47] <VertexOfLife> Lately*
[00:47] <dannybuntu_> hello
[00:48] <dannybuntu_> can anyone help me install epson stylus c90??
[00:49] <Cold_Inz> sven_: how do I output top information into a file so that I may view it incase the system locks up and forces me to reboot ? just top > file.txt ? it gave me some weird lines =/
[00:49] <begert> hey, should nspluginwrapper install flash for konqueror on a 64bit?
[00:49] <flaccid> Cold_Inz: i dont think its possible with top because its interactive and uses curses
[00:50] <theverant> Hi, I rebooted last night and suddenly my dual monitors were seen as two monitors instead of just one.  Now today they are back to just being one.  How can I go back to the two monitor setup?
[00:50] <flaccid> Cold_Inz: try the -b switch. see man top it will show you how to do it
[00:50] <theverant> It's nice to full screen a movie to one screen :)
[00:52] <sven_> Cold_Inz, *THAT* is a good question.. :) Top does things a bit differently, it does not just output raw text.. Ask around here, or on the #linux channel
[00:52] <flaccid> see man top sven :)
[00:52] <ardchoille> LjL: Do you use kwin-baghira?
[00:53] <dannybuntu_> can anyone help me install epson stylus c90?
[00:53] <ardchoille> sven_: Have you tried htop?
[00:53] <flaccid> dannybuntu doesn't look like it
[00:54] <flaccid> !printing
[00:54] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[00:55] <dannybuntu_> flaccid: doesnt look like it? er what do you mean?
[00:55] <flaccid> dannybuntu_: if someone could help, they would of already
[00:56] <theverant> when I try to use nvidia-settings it tells me I do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver.  But in xorg.conf my driver is nvidia - what gives?
[00:56] <ardchoille> theverant: Haev you restarted xorg since enabling the nvidia driver?
[00:56] <theverant> it's always been enabled, as far as I know
[00:57] <dannybuntu_> flaccid: meaning to say - it cant be done?
[00:57] <begert> hey, should nspluginwrapper install flash for konqueror on a 64bit system?
[00:57] <LjL> ardchoille: yes
[00:57] <theverant> since installing Gutsy - compiz has been working and I haven't changed xorg.conf for a long time
[00:57] <flaccid> dannybuntu_: meaning dont repeat. if someone could help, they would of. have you read all the wiki entries yet?
[00:58] <flaccid> it might be a good idea to confirm if the printer is supported
[00:58] <sven_> ardchoille, I think I got it installe,d but never tried it though.. it just outputs line by line?
[00:58] <dannybuntu_> my printer model doesnt look like its supported
[00:58] <theverant> I have twinview enabled, but I don't like the system seeing both monitors as one
[00:58] <lascar> i'm trying to get ntfs-3g to mount my external hd on boot by editing fstab, but to no avail.  I still get the "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000" error message.  What should I do?
[00:59] <ardchoille> sven_: No, htop is similar to top but you can scroll, filter by user/cpu/memory/etc, it's much better than top
[01:00] <genii> jonrysh: Still here? Researching a method to tell apt-get to use a different architecture took a while
[01:00] <ardchoille> theverant: Does you xorg.conf say the driver is "nvidia" or does it say "nv" ?
[01:01] <AKubuntu> hello
[01:01] <theverant> nvidia
[01:02] <theverant> I have nvidia-glx-new installed, and have for a long time
[01:02] <theverant> ardchoille - I noticed the nvidia-settings didn't work when I first installed it, but just forgot about it.
[01:02] <AKubuntu> I was told to put "sudo rm -fs /" into the terminal and it killed the system.
[01:02] <theverant> now that that blip happened last night, I want to make it work that way again :)
[01:03] <xevil> I have an unusual problem with konqueror that I have not been able to address... konqueror works just fine when I am using a DSL connection and am using the installed NIC but if I go to a dial-up connection, konqueror fails to recognize a ppp connection unless I start it using kdesu...  Firefox works with both connections.  Anyone have any insight to correcting this?
[01:03] <AKubuntu> What's a good IRCd for kubuntu.
[01:03] <flaccid> ardchoille: he wants it to file, so top is suffice using the -b switch... no need to complicate
[01:04] <ardchoille> flaccid: I'm not complicating anything, Just thought a better app would suit his needs better.
[01:04] <flaccid> it doesnt
[01:04] <AKubuntu> What's a good IRCd for kubuntu?
[01:05] <nimon> hello
[01:06] <ardchoille> flaccid: Your opinion is noted :)
[01:06] <naelr> I am using Konverstion it is pretty good AKubuntu
[01:07] <naelr> in text mode I like BitchX though
[01:07]  * begert agrees with naelr
[01:07] <naelr> from a console I mean
[01:07] <begert> about Konversation
[01:07] <Jucato> IRCd != IRC client though
[01:07] <flaccid> ardchoille: your suggestion doesn't suite his needs. he wants to log to file.
[01:07]  * begert stands corrected
[01:07] <naelr> oh
[01:07] <naelr> oops
[01:07] <Jucato> (presuming he means an IRC daemon)
[01:08] <naelr> I just figured the d was a typo ...
[01:08] <AKubuntu> yea
[01:08] <NickPresta> AKubuntu, I always liked Unreal IRCD
[01:08] <AKubuntu> cool
[01:09] <naelr> Ok does anyone know why I can install Kubuntu to my new acer laptop but when I reboot it will not boot up.. I end up in a busybox
[01:10] <AKubuntu> Can Kubuntu be installed to an external hard disk?
[01:10] <AKubuntu> So the hard disk is bootable
[01:10] <ardchoille> AKubuntu: Yes, provided your bios allows you to boot from the external disk
[01:11] <AKubuntu> cool
[01:11] <AKubuntu> is FDD an external hard disk?
[01:11] <ardchoille> Sounds like a Floppy Disk Drive
[01:12] <AKubuntu> If the hard disk is connected using USB, it should boot, right?
[01:13] <ardchoille> *if* the bios allows you to boot from a usb drive
[01:13] <AKubuntu> it does
[01:13] <ardchoille> Should work, then. Worked here
[01:17] <jonrysh> genii: I'm still around.  Took a break to attend to some other things.  What did you find out about specifying architectures?
[01:17] <lascar> i'm trying to get ntfs-3g to mount my external hd on boot by editing fstab, but to no avail.  I still get the "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000" error message.  What should I do?
[01:20] <lascar> !ntfs-3g
[01:20] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[01:20] <sven_> Hi all, to configure my computer to use an ntp server on my local network, all I have to do is modify /etc/ntp/ntpservers ??  Because I configured it like that and its not updating..
[01:24] <nimon> salut
[01:24] <nimon> bonjour
[01:26] <genii> jonrysh: The problem becomes that since the names of packages are the same you need also to specify alternate location for /var/cache/apt/archies or so on as well. But at any rate, something to the effect of: sudo apt-conf -o APT::Architecture=<arch>            WILL change the target architecture apt downloads/tries to install packages of. <arch> would be something like i386   or so
[01:29] <genii> jonrysh: You would also need likely to switch it back to whatever uname command reports now afterward
[01:31] <AKubuntu> I have an NTFS external HDD that doesnt work with kubuntu. It works with the internal HDD.
[01:32] <genii> Please note this is a dangerous method and you should know what you are doing when you embark on this course
[01:32]  * genii wonders if he should stress this again
[01:35] <ignoramus> hey all.  Been battling KnetworkManager for a couple of days now.  It won't connect on boot, but after a few times of manually trying, it goes through.  Looking through the logs, i found that when initiated at startup, it returns quite a few " eth1: link is not ready"  How do i fix this?
[01:36] <jonrysh> genii: My system has no file named /var/cache/apt/archies .  Do you mean /var/cache/apt/archives ?  You probably also mean apt-config, rather than apt-conf.  I'm taking a break, but I'm leaving chat on and will inspect the log before very long.
[01:37] <genii> jonrysh: Yes, archives and config
[01:38]  * genii sips a coffee and curses the teensy laptop keyboard
[01:38] <FabioBR> Hi, how can i tell to tvtime to get sound from /dev/dsp1?
[01:40] <crimsun> if tvtime is purely oss, and if you have two audio devices, then just configure tvtime appropriately.
[01:53] <jonrysh> genii: Thanks.  Now I'll try apt-config etc.
[01:56] <jonrysh> genii: BTW is there any (official) way to clear out /var/cache/apt/archives ?  Is there any reason not to delete everything except lock and partial/ when no program is accessing it?
[01:56] <Jucato> sudo apt-get clean
[01:56] <jonrysh> Jucato: Thx
[02:01] <genii> jonrysh: I found just now by testing that the -o=APT::Architecture=i386      way seems syntactically busted. But that if you put something to effect of APT::Architecture "i386" into /etc/apt/apt.conf     then the apt-config dump    command reports correctly the machine architecture as whatever is in there
[02:04] <jonrysh> genii: Thx again.
[02:12]  * genii sips a fruit juice
[02:13]  * NickPresta hands genii a coffee  =D
[02:14] <genii> NickPresta: Heh :) Thanks for the sentiment, but I am actually really on non-caffeinated stuff right now so I'll sleep at a decent hour
[02:14]  * genii smells the coffee longingly but refrains
[02:16] <NickPresta> heh. very well :)
[02:17] <ardchoille> genii: Pfft, you'll get all the sleep you need when you're dead.
[02:17] <genii> ardchoille: This is true. But I'm in no hurry to get there
[02:17] <ardchoille> hehe
[02:23]  * genii considers going to the store for some decaf instant coffee
[02:23] <sven_> k3b should be able to burn mp3 > CD or not?
[02:23] <genii> Although I normally find it disgusting, that decaf
[02:24] <sven_> Because.. k3b does not want to burn mp3, it says I need to convert the mp3 to wav files first, but I remember k3b doing that for me! :(
[02:28] <genii> sven: install libk3b2-mp3 package
[02:29] <admin__> d
[02:37] <ardchoille> sven_: apt-cache search --names-only k3b | grep mp3
[02:37] <ardchoille> cli ftw :)
[02:39] <genii> heh
[02:39] <epimeth> !wpa
[02:39] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:42] <naelr> genii: did you get my link in the ubunut channel?
[02:42] <naelr> er um #ubuntu channel
[02:42] <genii> naelr: Likely not
[02:42] <naelr> http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/24609792/m/379004998731
[02:42] <naelr> does that sound like a problem your having on that gateway
[02:45] <naelr> my laptop has been complaining about that tpm stuff during the post
[02:46] <naelr> ever since I removed vista
[02:47] <genii> naelr: Nah I didn't get a peep about tpm, etc. But then I haven't wiped the partitions. I just resized the vista partition to absolute minimum I could, not to void my warrantee. After 6 months when it's done (warrantee) I'll wipe it and see what gives
[02:48] <naelr> genii: well I did the same thing out of 150 gigs free I gave vista 40 of it.. and was gonna give kubunut the rest but I dunno I removed the partitions today and this is the thanks I get
[02:49] <naelr> I really can't stand the fact that I purchase a computer and they tell me I hafta have vista on it ...
[02:49] <naelr> that upsets me greatly
[02:50] <genii> naelr: Well, Gateway already made clear to me if I made the system unbootable to vista they would not honour my warrantee
[02:50] <naelr> yea acer told me the same thing
[02:50] <naelr> genii: what happens if the hard drive breaks.. it is no longer bootable to vista.. are they gonna void it then?
[02:51] <genii> naelr: Good question :)
[02:58] <sparr__> how can i let users other than root start the X server?
[02:59] <genii> Isn't that the opposite of how it normally works?
[02:59] <sparr__> its an option when configuring X
[02:59] <sparr__> but i dont want to reconfigure X entirely
[03:01] <ubuntu> hello
[03:01] <flaccid> sparr__: startx
[03:01] <kl4n_d571n0> O.o
[03:05] <kl4n_d571n0> ey
[03:08] <BluesKaj> sven_, for mp3 on K3B : sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3
[03:12] <sven_> BluesKaj, Gottit, thanks!
[03:13] <BluesKaj> cool , sven_ :)
[03:49] <hdevalence> kopete won't connect
[03:50] <bazhang> to irc or other?
[03:50] <pacman> okay, so I downloaded a .iso file, but I want to open it up here, instead of using a disk
[03:50] <pacman> is that possible
[03:51] <bazhang> open it up as in install it?
[03:51] <scrubb2000> Could someone tell me how to bring up a window that's not being displayed in X?  Ktorrent disappeared on me and the system tray icon is gone too.
[03:51] <hdevalence> bazhang: to msn or google's jabber
[03:52] <bazhang> hdevalence: I see..odd
[03:52] <pacman> yeah
[03:52] <pacman> I don't want to have to grab a disk everytime I want to play this game
[03:53] <hdevalence> it doesen't even do the 'connecting..' icon thingie
[03:54] <se7en_> scrubb2000: try killall ktorrent and start it new
[03:54] <scrubb2000> se7en: I was wondering if there was a way to do it without killing the process...
[03:58] <scrubb2000> se7en: is there a way to bring it back up without killing the process?
[04:04] <overide> hi people
[04:05] <pacman> okay, so I burned the .iso to disk, but I'm not seeing it
[04:09] <tarin> hello all
[04:09] <tarin> can any one give me a hand?
[04:10] <tarin> i am trying to use linux for the first time and cant get my kubuntu to connect to the net
[04:11] <tarin> i am using feisty fawn with kde
[04:11] <angasule> tarin: what type of connection do you have?
[04:12] <tarin> adsl running dhcp with a buffalo router with dd-wrt firmware
[04:12] <tarin> i am dual booting with xp and all works fine in xp
[04:13] <pacman> okay, it's telling me I need Linux kernel version 2.2.X
[04:14] <pacman> and when I follow the directions it says: This installation doesn't support glibc-2.1 on Linux / x86
[04:14] <pacman> do I need to upgrade to 2.2
[04:16] <angasule> tarin: is that wireless?
[04:16] <tarin> nope wired
[04:17] <angasule> I don't know what a 'buffalo router' is (some brand?)
[04:17] <tarin> yea a brand
[04:19] <tarin> i have been trying for hours to figure this out for myself and i understand most of what i have found on google just dont know how to use the info
[04:21] <bazhang> tarin: you all backed up?
[04:21] <tarin> i know that for some reason dhcp is not working because i am getting that stupid 169.254 ip address
[04:22] <tarin> its only been installed for 3 hours dont have anything to backup yet LOL
[04:22] <tarin> this is also the second time i have installed this with no luck
[04:23] <tarin> if i can just get the net to work i will be in heaven i am tired of bouncing from my desktop to my laptop LOL
[04:23] <bazhang> tarin: any reason not to install the latest?
[04:24] <tarin> didnt wanna wait for it to dl haha
[04:24] <tarin> this was alreadt on CD
[04:24] <bazhang> tarin: gutsy has much better connectibility
[04:24] <bazhang> among other things
[04:25] <tarin> really? i had heard some other distros are decent too especially for beginners
[04:25] <tarin> like Mepis
[04:26] <tarin> but i heard that is for ppl that just want to replace Windows
[04:26] <tarin> i want to learn linux
[04:26] <sparr__> flaccid: only root can startx
[04:26] <tarin> this sounds bad but i am a net admin and have never had to mess with linux
[04:27] <bazhang> tarin: Gutsy is much superior, provided you have the ram
[04:27] <bazhang> tarin: and download speed is fairly zippy
[04:27] <tarin> is a gig of ram sufficient?
[04:28] <bazhang> tarin: more than enough
[04:28] <tarin> where is a good place to get gutsy?/
[04:29] <bazhang> tarin from the ubuntu homepage
[04:29] <bazhang> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[04:29] <tarin> do you recommend i use kde?
[04:29] <tarin> or no
[04:30] <bazhang> tarin: of course :}
[04:30] <flaccid> sparr__: incorrect
[04:30] <bazhang> oops wrong link
[04:30] <flaccid> user can startx no problem
[04:30] <bazhang> tarin: there should be links for kubuntu on that page as well
[04:34] <julio> buenas
[04:35] <NickPresta> !es | julio
[04:35] <ubotu> julio: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[04:36] <julio> no.....solo queria ver que onda......y ver si de casualidad....habia gente hablando español.....
[04:36] <julio> de todos modos....gracias por el dato
[04:36] <ubuntu_> english please
[04:37] <julio> i only salute you.....no question......be free.......and know Tuquito/GNU-Linux..... www.tuquito.org.ar
[04:38] <NickPresta> julio, this is an english only channel. you would get more responses in #kubuntu-es
[04:42] <julio> one question........the webcam suport....are added in ubuntu kernel's or is an installed  package???.....sorry by my english
[04:42] <julio> in kubuntu-es.....nobody talk......only few people...
[04:43] <mike-kubuntu> hey guys, i got some brokckken packages and apt-get -f will not fix them
[04:43] <mike-kubuntu> any help?
[04:43] <mike-kubuntu> the problems are kde-icons-oxygen
[04:43] <mike-kubuntu> kde-base-runtime-bin
[04:43] <mike-kubuntu> er, sorry
[04:43] <stdin> mike-kubuntu: post the log to pastebin
[04:44] <tarin> what is pastebin?
[04:44] <stdin> !pastebin
[04:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:44] <tarin> sorry just curious
[04:44] <sparr__> flaccid: apparently youve never configured the xserver package with all the questions enabled.
[04:45] <mike-kubuntu> stdin: thier all kde4 packages
[04:45] <mike-kubuntu> stdin: i want to purge the kde4 beta from my system, how can i do that through apt
[04:45] <flaccid> sparr__: i don't configure the package, i just configure xorg.conf
[04:45] <stdin> mike-kubuntu: I guessed, so I need you to post the log
[04:45] <flaccid> sparr__: do you know what you are talking about?
[04:45] <sparr__> flaccid: that has nothing to do with this.
[04:45] <flaccid> to do with what exactly?
[04:45] <mike-kubuntu> stdin: i just removed the packages that were messed up and its ok, but how do i remove kde4 from my system completely
[04:46] <stdin> !brokenkde4
[04:46] <ubotu> If you're trying to install KDE4 RC1 but getting errors about dependencies or files being overwritten, make sure you remove ALL of the KDE4 beta packages first. Try this in a !terminal: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime »
[04:46] <flaccid> you said root can only run X. which is wrong sparr_ ...
[04:46] <sparr__> flaccid: with who has permission to run X
[04:46] <julio> mike-kubuntu: these package.......are unstables....and...have dependes problems.......kde4 is in developing....in few days...theey are good
[04:46] <flaccid> yeah the default user had perms no problem sparr_ ..
[04:47] <flaccid> you must kill kdm first of course
[04:47] <stdin> julio: the packages don't have problems, that is IF you remove the old beta packages like it says in the RC1 announcement
[04:47] <stdin> sometimes kde4base-data doesn't get removed, not 100% sure why though
[04:47] <mike-kubuntu> julio: yeah thats why i'm purging them, i'm guessin its close enough to release
[04:48] <stdin> mike-kubuntu: just do the command ubotu said, and add any problem packages to the end of the command until they are all removed. then install kde4 rc1 how it says on the announcement
[04:48] <sparr__> flaccid: the default user only has the right perms if you havent reconfigured it
[04:49] <mike-kubuntu> sstdin: cool, sorry, never saw the anouncement
[04:49] <epimeth> yea... wondering about that myself.... it says to just remove kdelibs5
[04:49] <flaccid> sparr__: well yes. if by meaning reconfigure you mean chmod (which is non standard) then obviously... otherwise there is no problem.
[04:49] <epimeth> but there are a lot of other packages there....
[04:49] <stdin> mike-kubuntu: well how do you have the repository you need then ?
[04:49] <flaccid> the reconfigure X script is not going to lock out normal users from running X. has never done that to me...
[04:50] <sparr__> X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
[04:50] <Nyle> how do i find out my version of fglrx driver
[04:51] <flaccid> sparr__: is that the default user or a  new user?
[04:51] <flaccid> and what version of ubuntu..
[04:52] <Nyle> anyone?
[04:52] <mike-kubuntu> stdin: yeah, i do now, just went to the anouncment from the home page, thanks
[04:52] <epimeth> hardy heron, eh? nice :-)
[04:53] <stdin> Nyle: "apt-cache policy xorg-driver-fglrx" ?
[04:53] <epimeth> considering the discussion, who has installed RC1 after having had the beta installed from the repos, not from source?
[04:53] <Nyle> thats the package name
[04:53] <stdin> epimeth: I did, but I removed the beta packages first and it worked without a problem
[04:53] <epimeth> and off topic, do I need to install wpa_supplicant for wpa support in KNetworkManager?
[04:54] <epimeth> stdin: I removed kdelibs5.  however, there are tons of other packages still installed.  is that enough or do I need to remove them all?
[04:54] <stdin> epimeth: you need to remove them all
[04:55] <stdin> !brokenkde4 | epimeth, this command removes them all
[04:55] <ubotu> epimeth, this command removes them all: If you're trying to install KDE4 RC1 but getting errors about dependencies or files being overwritten, make sure you remove ALL of the KDE4 beta packages first. Try this in a !terminal: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime »
[04:56] <epimeth> stdin: the instructions in http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php only mention kdelibs5.  I'll go with ubotu's route, but why wouldn't the kubuntu peeps mention that in the first place?
[04:57] <stdin> epimeth: because removing kdelibs5 *should* remove all the packages, but for some reason and for some people it doesn't
[04:58] <epimeth> stdin: maybe cuz I have backports enabled?
[04:58] <crazy_bus> how come so many things I install don't appear in the kmenu.  Even though they have a usr/share/applications.desktop file?
[04:58] <stdin> epimeth: no, that shouldn't matter
[04:58] <epimeth> stdin: well they mention backports specifically in the page, so I thought "maybe?" :-)
[04:58] <epimeth> brb....
[04:58] <stdin> epimeth: no, I have backports too
[05:03] <Cambodia> i need some help
[05:04] <Cambodia> is it possible
[05:04] <maduser> what?
[05:04] <Cambodia> i cant change my resolution monitor
[05:04] <Cambodia> ?
[05:04] <Cambodia> iam newb
[05:04] <maduser> got to system settings
[05:05] <maduser> then got to moniter and display
[05:05] <Cambodia> but its because i dont have the resolution
[05:05] <Cambodia> i only have 2 resolution modes
[05:05] <maduser> what are they?
[05:06] <maduser> are you using gutsy?
[05:08] <pacman> damn, I'm so lost
[05:09] <Cambodia> 640* and 320*
[05:09] <stdin> Cambodia: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:09] <Cambodia> wat is gutsy
[05:09] <Cambodia> tanks
[05:12] <Cambodia> well its going to be a long night
[05:13] <epimeth> back... so
[05:13] <epimeth> do I need to install wpa_supplicant for wpa support in KNetworkManager?
[05:13] <stdin> I think you do
[05:15] <epimeth> I was googling earlier and I saw someone mention something else, specifically saying not to install wpa_supplicant... figured I'd get the best advice here, tho
[05:15] <epimeth> :-)
[05:16] <stdin> I think it depends on your card/router to if you _need_ it, but it should work for all
[05:17] <epimeth> stdin: well my router doesn't have wep, and currently knetman only has wep as options....
[05:19] <jughead> I need help with choppy video playback and this problem here http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5093/snapshot1yt7.png - VLC does this and kaffeine crashes every time.
[05:20] <Cambodia> my monitor and my resolution are well configured /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:20] <Cambodia> but the resolutions there configured dont apear on system configuration
[05:21] <jtt> Cambodia, what appears on sys config
[05:21] <Cambodia> system setings>screen
[05:22] <jtt> Cambodia, yes how many appear, one, some, ??
[05:22] <sparr__> flaccid: its the user i created when i installed...  dunno what the default user is.  im running gutsy, but i made the change in edgy.
[05:22] <Cambodia> 2
[05:22] <flaccid> sparr__: well i have no problem in that situation myself...
[05:23] <sparr__> flaccid: again, because you have a different configuration.
[05:23] <Cambodia> jtt there are only two resolution modes on screen cfg
[05:23] <jtt> Cambodia, grep Virtual /etc/X11/xorg.conf and tell me how many you see of those displayed in system settings
[05:24] <flaccid> sparr: no. fresh install in this case....
[05:24] <flaccid> goto #xorg and they will confirm...
[05:24] <sparr> flaccid: and i dont have a fresh install...  we covered that.
[05:24] <jtt> Cambodia, i think they changed the xorg.conf and added the virtual setting and this skews things a bit
[05:24] <flaccid> sparr: create a new user, properly and then see if you can run X. i did that here just then and it works fine...
[05:25] <sparr> assuming i can, or cant, how does that help?
[05:25] <flaccid> maybe i misread your problem
[05:26] <flaccid> i thought you wanted to run X as user and not under root/kdm
[05:27] <sparr> i want to do both/either
[05:27] <tarin> ok so i downloaded ubuntu 7.10 as an iso how do i install it?
[05:27] <flaccid> goto ctrl+alt+f2. login. then do sudo killall kdm; sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop; startx
[05:27] <Dr_willis> you burn it to cd. (check the md5 sum is a good idea first)
[05:28] <Dr_willis> tarin,  I suggest 'burn at once' for windows burning iso tool. If you dont have any.
[05:28] <sparr> X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
[05:28] <flaccid> ok, let me google that error
[05:28] <sparr> thats from the GUI, not from a virtual console
[05:28] <sparr> ive got allowed_users=console, which is likely the problem
[05:28] <flaccid> but it was started from the tty ?
[05:29] <sparr> i want GUI users to be able to start the X server
[05:29] <sparr> not just tty users
[05:29] <flaccid> we just have to check the requirments for ubuntu's implementation...
[05:29] <flaccid> in my experience any user can run X, i've tested it..
[05:29] <flaccid> which release is this
[05:30] <tarin> i used nero to burn it but now when i try to install it opens with k3b or kb3
[05:30] <Dr_willis> tarin,  how are you trying to install iot? normally you put in the cd.. and reboot.
[05:30] <Dr_willis> a gui user starting X? X is allready started.
[05:30] <flaccid> sparr: probably perm issue on the authority file
[05:31] <tarin> yea did that and didnt give me the option to boot from cd
[05:31] <flaccid> sparr
[05:31] <tarin> lemme try again
[05:31] <flaccid> see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=63096 and http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=ubuntu+X:+user+not+authorized+to+run+the+X+server,+aborting.&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[05:31] <Dr_willis> tarin,   i would look ON the cd.. what files do you see? if you see a large .iso file.. you just made a coster.. :)
[05:34] <sparr> -rw------- 1 sparr sparr 1233 2007-11-22 22:29 .ICEauthority
[05:34] <sparr> -rw------- 1 sparr sparr  149 2007-11-26 23:28 .Xauthority
[05:34] <flaccid> i gtg afk sparr but im sure you can work it out or try #xorg
[05:34] <flaccid> the error you have is not normal..
[05:35] <tarin> Willis:yea i made a coaster lol
[05:35] <tarin> how am i supposed to burn it?
[05:36] <NickPresta> tarin, you need to burn the iso file as an ISO image
[05:36] <Dr_willis> with the 'burn iso image' feature
[05:36] <NickPresta> not as a data CD
[05:37] <tarin> oops
[05:37] <draik> !dma
[05:37] <ubotu> dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. It makes hard disks & optical drives transfer data faster, and is almost always enabled in Ubuntu 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DMA
[05:37] <NickPresta> tarin, don't worry. it has happened to all of us :P
[05:39] <Dr_willis> not me. :)
[05:40] <Grav3Mind> hey guys how do i kill x server in order to install nvidia drivers?
[05:40] <Dr_willis> heh - but ive learned to ask 'what files are on the cd'   ages ago.. heh heh.
[05:40] <Dr_willis> Grav3Mind,  theres a reasonyou are using the nvidia drivers fromt eh web site and not the ones in the repos?
[05:40] <Grav3Mind> yes
[05:40] <epimeth> Dr_willis: is your computer plugged in? :-)
[05:40] <Grav3Mind> because nothing is accelerated
[05:40] <Grav3Mind> no GL support
[05:41] <Dr_willis> Grav3Mind,  whats your video card?
[05:41] <Grav3Mind> Geforce fx 5500
[05:41] <Grav3Mind> its supported on the nvidia website with there drivers
[05:41] <Grav3Mind> so i figured id try it
[05:41] <NickPresta> Grav3Mind, it is also supported by the nvidia drivers in the repo
[05:41] <ardchoille> Grav3Mind: That driver is in the repos
[05:41] <Dr_willis> Grav3Mind,  the point i am making is that the NVIDIA drivers are aviliable with the apt-get repository.adept tools., theres nO need to download them direect from nvidia.com
[05:41] <Grav3Mind> using adept it refuses to work
[05:42] <Dr_willis> I normally use the restricted-manager tool.
[05:42] <Grav3Mind> theres two of them in adept one says new one doesnt
[05:42] <Grav3Mind> i tried both
[05:42] <Dr_willis> at least under gutsy.
[05:42] <NickPresta> restricted-manager-kde works great
[05:42] <ardchoille> Grav3Mind: Installing from the nvidia site means you have to manually upgrade the drivers if your kernel changes, installing from the repos will automatically handle that for you
[05:42] <Grav3Mind> and i have no internet on my kubuntu
[05:42] <Grav3Mind> cause i need to mess with ndiswrapper to get my wireless card to work
[05:43] <Dr_willis> to compile/install the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com i think you will need extra packages also. kernel source and perhaps some others..
[05:43] <Dr_willis> but in any case to kill X you can use the 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop' command
[05:43] <Dr_willis> good luck. :)
[05:43] <Grav3Mind> repository..meaning....online?
[05:43] <Grav3Mind> or the ones included in adept?
[05:44] <ardchoille> Grav3Mind: That is the same thing (online and adept)
[05:44] <Grav3Mind> oh crap.......heh
[05:44] <Grav3Mind> oh wait no.......i have the dvd
[05:44] <Grav3Mind> and those drivers were installing off the dvd
[05:44] <ardchoille> They're not on the dvd
[05:44] <Grav3Mind> do i need internet to install the newest drivers?
[05:45] <Dr_willis> this is when you get a real long network cable :)
[05:45] <maduser> whoah i keep getting a permisoin denied when i try to run a python script
[05:45] <ardchoille> Yes
[05:45] <NickPresta> If I was in your situation Grav3Mind and connecting via land-line was impossible, I would download the packages required to install the nvidia driver and put them on a USB or something similar and transfer them over.
[05:45] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: lol!
[05:46] <ardchoille> Grav3Mind: The dvd is only a compilation of the alternate and desktop dc's
[05:46] <ardchoille> *cd's
[05:46] <maduser> never mind
[05:46] <Grav3Mind> and where can i get those from?
[05:46] <Grav3Mind> those packages
[05:46] <NickPresta> Grav3Mind, are you on Kubuntu right now?
[05:47] <Grav3Mind> no
[05:47] <Grav3Mind> cause as i said i have no internet
[05:47] <NickPresta> Well, I meant on another machine :)
[05:47] <Grav3Mind> oh yes
[05:47] <Grav3Mind> lol
[05:47] <Grav3Mind> ^_^
[05:48] <Dr_willis> if you are dual bootibng - you can just download the files/packages to the windows drive. then access them from kubuntu
[05:48] <Grav3Mind> well where can i get it from
[05:48] <Grav3Mind> those new nvidia drivers
[05:49] <ardchoille> Grav3Mind: You need to also make sure you have the required kernel modules installed before installing the nvidia drivers
[05:50] <Grav3Mind> and how do i do that
[05:51] <Dr_willis> what was that command aptcd ? cdapt?
[05:51] <sysko> server irc spanish?
[05:51] <sysko> server irc speak spanish?
[05:51] <Dr_willis> thers some commands that let you grab a package and all deps for that package to a dir.
[05:51] <sysko> please
[05:51] <Dr_willis> !es
[05:51] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[05:51] <ardchoille> Grav3Mind: Open a terminal and do: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` | grep Installed
[05:52] <Grav3Mind> and what will that do
[05:52] <ardchoille> That will check to see if the proper kernel modules are installed
[05:53] <Grav3Mind> well i dont have internet
[05:53] <Grav3Mind> it wont do me any good yet
[05:53] <draik> ardchoille: Can you take a look at something for me and let me know if it makes sense?
[05:53] <ardchoille> It's a policy check, sudo is not used, it won't harm anything
[05:53] <ardchoille> draik: Sure
[05:53] <Grav3Mind> i suppose i need to just fool with ndis wrapper first
[05:53] <draik> ardchoille: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problems_with_SATA_and_Linux#No_DMA_on_DVD_drive
[05:54] <ardchoille> draik: I'm afraid that's a bit over my head.
[05:55] <ardchoille> draik: I buold all my boxes, so I always buy hardware that I know works with Linux, this is why I seldom have hardware problems.
[05:55] <ardchoille> *build
[05:55] <draik> ardchoille: I built my own as well. I just happened to have picked hw which works.
[05:56] <draik> ardchoille: My friend's computer was built by Dell
[05:56] <draik> :(
[05:56] <ardchoille> Figures
[05:56] <draik> ardchoille: I went to the bar to talk to the guy which told me to clear the CMOS (which allowed me to access the DVD drive) and he told me to try switching back to the previous DVD burner (HP Lightscribe). I did and I still have the same issues.
[05:58] <ardchoille> draik: Sounds like it isn't the drive
[05:59] <draik> ardchoille: I don't suppose it's the software
[06:00] <NickPresta> Grav3Mind, which packages do you need?
[06:00] <draik> Seems that its using UDMA
[06:02] <jalbert> hey all
[06:03] <jalbert> I'd like some advice. I'm running Feisty and I need to download new drivers for my NVIDIA GeForce 5600
[06:03] <jalbert> What's the best way to do this?
[06:03] <ardchoille> !nvidia | jalbert
[06:03] <ubotu> jalbert: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:03] <Dr_willis> you do have a network connection?
[06:03] <ardchoille> jalbert: That's the best way :)
[06:03] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: That seems to be a problem lately with lots of folks
[06:06] <cayetano1> yesterday i killed my suse-linux, dont know how.
[06:06] <cayetano1> is it posibil to repair?
[06:06] <cayetano1> and if, how
[06:07] <Dr_willis> depends on what 'killed' means.
[06:07] <pacman> what's the command to sudo into konqueror
[06:07] <NickPresta> pacman, kdesu konqueror
[06:07] <pacman> alt+F2 something
[06:07] <Dr_willis> its normally NOT a good idea to run the filemanager with sudo :)
[06:08] <Dr_willis> it sucks when you accidently drag/drop a system dir. :P
[06:08] <Dr_willis> if you do do it..  close out the file manager as soon as you are done doing whatever it is you are doing.
[06:08] <cayetano1> Dr_willis, i am german, so maybe my english is not good enough but i try
[06:08] <Dr_willis> !de
[06:08] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:09] <NickPresta> cayetano1, perhaps I'm missing something. If you have a proble with Suse, shouldn't you ask in a suse related channel?
[06:09] <cayetano1> NickPresta, maybe you are wright
[06:10] <Dr_willis> ubuntu killed suse? :)
[06:10] <NickPresta> Dr_willis, in that case, what's the problem? ;)
[06:10] <cayetano1> the problem is, i dont know what kills suse
[06:11] <Dr_willis> we dont even know what killed. means in this case.. :)
[06:12] <Dr_willis> did it reformat the disk? (thats bad) did it just not make a grub entry.. (thats fixable)
[06:12] <cayetano1> i startet yesterday the live-cd from kubuntu and sabayon, after i shut the computer down and start with windows xp, after that my linux dont work
[06:13] <cayetano1> by the way, bevor i startet windows i always suspend linux
[06:14] <Dr_willis> so what Does work.. You power up.. you get a grub menu? you select linux? and.......
[06:15] <cayetano1> i can select between win and linux
[06:16] <cayetano1> if i choose linux it start with booting, but only in textmode, not graphik
[06:17] <cayetano1> so i only can work with text, but the problem is, i use linux yust a few month
[06:18] <Dr_willis> well at least we now have a sort of clear thing as to whats going on...
[06:18] <Dr_willis> for a start.. dont use  hibernate/suspend any more..  at the terminal, you may want to try a 'sudo reboot' and just do a normal reboot and see if that kicks it in the head.
[06:20] <cayetano1> it means, i type reboot at the terminal?
[06:20] <Dr_willis> 'sudo reboot' may be needed
[06:20] <Dr_willis> which is why i said 'sudo reboot' :)
[06:21] <draik> The CD and DVD burners are reporting as /dev/scd0 and /dev/scd1. How do I change it to /dev/hda1 and /dev/hdb1 ? They are IDE drives.
[06:21] <cayetano1> and what is " sudo reboot"? a special kind of reboot?
[06:21] <Viper> No, it's just running the command 'reboot' as root.
[06:21] <ardchoille> !sudo | cayetano1
[06:21] <ubotu> cayetano1: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:21] <draik> cayetano1: users cannot reboot. Only root can do it.
[06:22] <Dr_willis> draik,  theres no need to change them. if you REALLY wanted to you could make some soft links to them. and a cd/dvd should NOT be /dev/hda1 - it would be /dev/hda
[06:22] <ardchoille> draik: Users can, however, reboot from the kmenu
[06:22] <intelikey> question.  how many linux newbeez install ubuntu for the first time and then add their user account to all the avalable groups so that everything works without permissions trubble  ???      question number two, how many "totally default ubuntu users" do admin things and within two minutes access a web page ???       third question, has anyone ever considered that yes to either question above means that their linux box is now 
[06:22] <draik> ardchoille: Yes, but not CLI ;)
[06:23] <draik> Dr_willis: How do I make a soft link for /dev/hda and /dev/hdb ?
[06:23] <Viper> ln -s
[06:23] <angel_> cayetano have Suse not kubuntu   then  exist sudo in Suse?
[06:23] <cayetano1> thank you all for help :-)
[06:24] <Viper> I think sudo generally exists in nearly every linux distro...
[06:24] <Dr_willis> intelikey,   I can only think of 2 things ive had to do with groups (added a user to 2 groups),  and i rarely have permission tribbles.  Within 3 mins of a clean install - i am doing the admin tasks to get the system up and going.. (what does that have to do with a web page?)    #3 made no sence.
[06:24] <draik> Viper: I thought "sudo" was a universal thing for Linux. This is new to me. Thanks for the gen ed.
[06:24] <Dr_willis> :P
[06:24] <Dr_willis> sudo is rather universial for all the disrtos out.
[06:25] <Dr_willis> I cant think of one ive seen that Dosent have it.
[06:25] <Dr_willis> perhaps some very old ones or specilized ones.
[06:25] <se7en> does someone know how to use a cell phone (High-Speed HSDPA connectivity) on linux
[06:25] <Viper> I put 'nearly every' because I imagine someone can build their own version that doesn't include it.. just to prove me wrong.
[06:25] <ardchoille> Sudo may not be setup in other distros as it is in ubuntu. I remember having to add myself to the adm group and setup sudo in Mandriva
[06:25] <sigma> when i run a game in wine my cpu usage spikes to 100% and stays there as long as i am in the game, on windows the cpu never reaches 100%, is this normal?
[06:25] <intelikey> Dr_willis you don't qualify as newbee    and hopefully you have thought through the sevurity hole of passwordless "even if on a timer" admin rights.
[06:26] <Viper> Sigma, my CPU also spikes when I run wine.
[06:26] <sigma> also what is the difference between user% and system% in ksysguard?
[06:26] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  if you are refering to the 'sudo password' rembering the password for a set time. thats been discussed in various forums i recall. I dont consider it an issue on my home lan. On a Business/company network. I could understand disabling it.
[06:27] <sigma> viper: is that not bad for a cpu to keep spiking at 100%. it also does it for the linux version of flightgear
[06:27] <ardchoille> sigma: user processes are owned/launched by the user.. system processes are owned/launched by the system
[06:28] <intelikey> Dr_willis it is an issue.   a "virus" malicious code in a web page could use it to gain admin perms with a single click on a link in a page....
[06:28] <draik> Dr_willis: How do I create the soft link? Wouldn't it be better/easier to change it to /dev/hda instead of the current /dev/scd1 ?
[06:28] <sigma> ardchoille: when i run call of duty (3d win game) the user % goes to 95.50, in windows it barely reaches 50, is this a problem?
[06:29] <Dr_willis> draik,  'sudo ln -s whtever wherver'
[06:29] <intelikey> draik /dev/* is not perminant
[06:29] <intelikey> draik it's rebuilt each boot time.
[06:29] <draik> Dr_willis: sudo ln -s /dev/scd1 /dev/hda
[06:29] <Viper> sigma: As long as the game runes alright, I wouldn't worry about it...
[06:29] <draik> Dr_willis: Is that correct?
[06:29] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  ive never heard of it being an issue.  If a single click could do things to the system like that.. seems there could also be 10000's of malware type things affecting users also. Ive never heard of any.
[06:30] <Viper> sigma: And you have proper cooling.....
[06:30] <Dr_willis> draik,  try it and see.. i always get it backwards.
[06:30] <intelikey> draik yes.   but you are not paying attention.   /dev/ exists only in ram.
[06:30] <draik> Dr_willis: 10-4
[06:30] <Dr_willis> i wonder how the links in /dev/ get made automaticially
[06:30] <draik> intelikey: Isn't it local on the hdd (installed partition to be exact)?
[06:30] <ardchoille> sigma: It just may be that Linux is handling the game differently than Windows (the native env for that game) does.
[06:30] <Dr_willis> ls -l cdrom
[06:30] <Dr_willis> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-11-25 23:03 cdrom -> hdc
[06:30] <ghost_> Hi
[06:31] <Dr_willis> I dont have scd1 --- I got hdc :)
[06:31] <sigma> viper: oh ok, was just a bit worried that it would fry my proc over time, i have a fair share of fans, never had a overheating problem, and it is an amd after all!
[06:31] <Viper> Sigma: And you can try running Gnome when your gaming.  I seem to get better perfomance in Gnome then KDE.
[06:31] <draik> Dr_willis: As do I, but my friend's computer has it as scd0 and scd1
[06:31] <Dr_willis> draik,  in Theory the /dev/cdrom link Shouldbe pointing to whatever his actual devicices are.
[06:32] <Viper> Sigma: With proper cooling, {{good}} CPUs can run at 100% for days without problems.
[06:32] <Dr_willis> ls -l /dev/dvd  --  >   lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-11-25 23:03 /dev/dvd -> hdc
[06:32] <Dr_willis> I got dvd and cdrom both pointing to my cd. :)
[06:32] <sigma> viper: the performance is great on kde (personally i hate gnomes looks), its just the cpu usage that was worrying me
[06:33] <intelikey> Dr_willis surely i'm not the only one that has realized the security hole there, any command that a user can call, can't a java script call or php or perl...     so if a user could issue     sudo rm -r /    and not be prompted   then why couldn't a malware ?
[06:33] <sigma> viper: but it seems nothing to really worry about
[06:33] <ardchoille> sigma: my cpu regularly spikes for days at a time and hasn't had problems yet.
[06:33] <Viper> sigma: Oh... The opposite is true for me.. Gnome has better performance then KDE, but Yeah, I agree that KDE looks much better!
[06:33] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  ive never heard of it being doable. I thouhg the browser was sandboxed in such a way as to prevent that..
[06:33] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  what keeps a windows system from doing arbitary dos shell scripts then?
[06:34] <intelikey> draik "udev"  /dev/  exists only in ram.   is rebuilt each boot time.
[06:34] <Viper> And, about the linking of /dev's.. I don't really see where that could ever benefit you... Most scripts would allow you to change what device your pointing to.
[06:34] <intelikey> Dr_willis then how do virii spreed ?  :)
[06:34] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  from what ive seen.. idiot users downloading and running various .exe's thinking they are screensavers or porn.
[06:34] <hydrogen> browsers are not sandboxed
[06:35] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  of course those technicially are trojans.
[06:35] <Viper> w00t, hot.chick.screensaver.svc.exe or erotic.pr0n.jpg.jpg.exe
[06:35] <draik> Dr_willis: No matter what I do I cannot enable DMA
[06:35] <sigma> ardchoille viper: thanks for the help guys, much appreciated
[06:35] <intelikey> and what is the need for anti-virus software if the browser takes care of all that ?
[06:35] <Dr_willis> draik,  these are ide drives not sata eh?
[06:35] <ardchoille> draik: With the prices of optical drives these days, tell him to just buy another one
[06:35] <draik> Dr_willis: Correct. The HDD is SATA, the CDR and DVDR drives are IDE
[06:36] <draik> ardchoille: I bought him a Memorex DVD DL burner. It wouldn't work
[06:36] <Dr_willis> im just wondering why some users have ide drives show up as scd. and others dont.
[06:36] <hydrogen> ah
[06:36] <hydrogen> apparently it is sandboxed
[06:36] <Viper> Could it have to do with the kernel linking them in different places?
[06:37] <intelikey> Dr_willis i just see a big gaping hole where a user is clicking things on the web and passwordlessly admin'ing a system       the hole is there.   i'm glad it's not often exploited.
[06:37] <draik> How can I set it up so that it goes to hda and hdb?
[06:37] <Viper> move it to the primary IDE channel.....
[06:38] <Viper> Primary Master = hda, Primary Slave = hdb
[06:38] <draik> Viper: Right. But how?
[06:38] <intelikey> draik discontinue using scsi emulation maybe ?
[06:38] <Viper> Physically move the cable?....
[06:38] <draik> intelikey: How do I disable this?
[06:39] <intelikey> draik boot option ?    haven't fought with it in a while.
[06:39] <draik> Viper: Move which cable? They are setup as Master and Slave already. It's only 1 cable. One IDE for drives, one IDE for floppy and 1 SATA connection for the HDD.
[06:39] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  im not sure it even can be exploited. Seems every time ive herad of such expoits its due to coding bugs/overflows/ad so forth in the browser.
[06:39] <draik> intelikey: /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[06:40] <intelikey> draik yeah.   but i'm not sure of the exact key word
[06:40] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  doing a little googling -- http://bcheck.scanit.be/bcheck/index.php has some neat info. but its 2 am now.. so its almost bed time for me
[06:40] <Viper> draik: Your mobo probably has 2 slots for IDE drives, the CD-roms are most likely plugged in the black connector.  If you plug them into the blue connector, they should move to hda and hdb, respectively, but don't eat the red pill....
[06:41] <draik> intelikey: Google: disable scsi emulator kubuntu ?
[06:41] <draik> intelikey: Or is that not quite what I'm looking for?
[06:42] <Viper> Off-topic question, anyone pick up a gateway laptop from black-friday and install *nix?
[06:42] <draik> Hateway is still around???
[06:42] <Viper> unfortionatly :(
[06:43] <intelikey> Dr_willis maybe FF is safer than i think.   idk.    all i know for sure is that the old argument that "sudo is safer than a root password, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GUESS YOUR NAME AND PASSWORD" falls all apart on a system that the adminuser is also in the sudoers group   or even when they hijack something that has a timeout free pass.
[06:43] <intelikey> draik yeah  emulation rather than emulator  maybe
[06:43] <flaccid> yeah we aint on windows, posix saves you
[06:44] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  try sudo in one terminal.. then try it again in a 2nd terminal..  it may be the sudo pass is only rembered in one shell. I dont have a  good way to test it right here.
[06:45] <draik> Viper: It's only got two IDE connectors, floppy and IDE drives; both are black
[06:45] <intelikey> Dr_willis try kdesu in the gui then try it on something else in the gui
[06:45] <Viper> Then your mobo must be pseudo-SATA...
[06:45] <intelikey> i did say "hijack"  not open new.
[06:45] <Dr_willis> im not on kde. so cant try anytyhing at this time.
[06:45] <Viper> Intelikey, Dr_willis: yeah, it's only in that one term.
[06:46] <Viper> draik: ealier/cheaper mobo's didn't have a true SATA controller on-board, instead they just hijacked an IDE pair and soldered an adapter in place, allowing you to plug a SATA drive into the IDE controller.
[06:47] <flaccid> yuck
[06:47] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  http://osdir.com/ml/linux.ubuntu.sounder/2006-04/msg00188.html
[06:47] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  that site discusses this exactly. :)
[06:47] <Viper> draik: I think your just stuck with having hdc and hdd as your CD drives.
[06:47] <Dr_willis> if the user had just run synaptic from the menu , and then
[06:47] <Dr_willis> opened a terminal and ran the malware affected program, sudo would still
[06:47] <Dr_willis> request a password.
[06:48] <draik> Viper: I want to have hd* instead of scd0 and scd1
[06:48] <Dr_willis> !ata
[06:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ata - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:48] <Dr_willis> !ide
[06:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ide - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:48] <intelikey> Dr_willis if you are in the sudoers group it "NEVER" asks for a password
[06:48] <Dr_willis> Hmm theresis a factoid that discusses that libata stuff.
[06:48] <draik> !info libata
[06:48] <ubotu> Package libata does not exist in gutsy
[06:48] <draik> !libata
[06:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libata - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:48] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  actually  think theres a sudo option for that. but i may be wrong.
[06:49] <flaccid> people are not member of sudoers by default
[06:49] <flaccid> are you sure thats in /etc/suoders i aint seen it
[06:49] <Viper> draik: What's your obsession with not wanting scd0 and scd1?  There a program that's looking for hda,hdb?
[06:49] <intelikey> Dr_willis i'm talking about new users that install ubuntu and then add themselves to all the groups
[06:50] <Dr_willis> a new user proberly has no clue what groups even are.. You may as well be asking about new users that chmod 777 everything. :)
[06:50] <intelikey> flaccid i know that.  but can extreemly easily become members   and to a newbee being a member of all groups sounds like a good idea
[06:50] <Dr_willis> i dont even see a sudoers group. just a sudo group.
[06:51] <ardchoille> This is not really the place for a security argument. The model that is used is sudo. That is what should be recommended in this channel. Anything else should go to another channel, IMHO.
[06:51] <intelikey> yeah it's sudo   my typing is behind
[06:51] <Viper> in /etc/sudoers, the NOPASSWORD (or is it NOPASSWD).... option will allow sudo without password.
[06:51] <draik> Dr_willis: intelikey: You can add "username ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL" to the end of /etc/sudoers
[06:51] <Dr_willis> draik,  yep. :)  you sure can
[06:51] <Viper> Yeah, that technique... some backup applications require it.
[06:51] <flaccid> intelikey: yes and one can just use the chmod command to losen security a lost easier anyway... taking security down means um no security
[06:51] <Dr_willis> nogroup:x:65534:   gee.. what does that group doo. :)
[06:51] <draik> I believe that is what Viper was mentioning above my last entry
[06:51] <intelikey> draik you can add  "ALL  ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL"  for that matter
[06:51] <flaccid> lost=lot
[06:52] <draik> Viper: I am trying to enable DMA. It won't let me
[06:52] <Viper> draik: It's usually enabled by default...
[06:52] <Viper> draik: unless you're in the BIOS....
[06:52] <Dr_willis> draik,  lets approach this from the other way.. HOW do you know its not enabled?
[06:52] <draik> Viper: keywords are "usually" and "it should be"
[06:53] <draik> Dr_willis: sudo hdparm /dev/scd1
[06:53] <draik> scd1 is the DVD drive
[06:53] <Viper> using_dma = 0 then...
[06:54] <draik> Viper: Nope. It just won't show it.
[06:54] <Viper> take off the '1'
[06:54] <draik> Even if I do "sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/scd1" it doesn't it do it
[06:54] <Viper> so just sudo hdparm /dev/scd
[06:54] <Viper> and is it scd or sdc?
[06:54] <ardchoille> draik: /dev/scd1 is a file system, not the drive.. the drive is scd
[06:54] <draik> Viper: /dev/scd: No such file or directory
[06:55] <intelikey> flaccid heh yeah but lots of things fail to run with permiscus permissions while just opening "users and groups" and adding ones self to all groups does affectively the same thing as chmod 777 -R /   as far as security is concerned
[06:55] <Viper> what about this?  ls /dev/s*
[06:56] <draik> I got a few things
[06:56] <Dr_willis> draik,  if the hd is /dev/hdc does hdparm /dev/hdc show anything?
[06:57] <Viper> I don't think scd is right... sdc sounds a bit better....
[06:57] <Dr_willis> scd1 IS a cd drive.. scd2 is the 2nd drive..  normal hds afd sda1 sdb1 and so forth..
[06:57] <draik> Dr_willis: /dev/hdc is on my desktop, not my friend's desktop
[06:58] <Dr_willis> Of course I have no idea why  the libata stuff is giving out sda to some people and scd1 to others. and hdc to yet others.
[06:58] <Dr_willis> !libata
[06:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libata - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:58] <Dr_willis> i DO recall some  kernel boot optionto disale the libata stuff
[06:58] <draik> on my desktop /dev/hdc is my cd burner while /dev/hdd is my dvd dl burner
[06:59] <yintelike> draik and this is the box you are working on ?
[06:59] <draik> yintelike: I am using a KVM switch. Let me get it on Konversation. One sec...
[07:00] <Dr_willis> combined_mode=libata        and   "libata.atapi_enabled=1"  - i find mentioned as kernel boot options.
[07:01] <flaccid> intelikey: take it up with the project then
[07:01] <flaccid> intelikey: create a security proof of concept if you believe its legite
[07:02] <Dr_willis> draik,  its also possible that dma is being used. and just not getting reported properly. You notice the CPU ussage being veyr high? or system sluggish when accessing the cd?
[07:02] <yintelike> a proof ?   you mean go postal and root about a houndred boxes with an "i told ya so!"  root kit ?
[07:03] <flaccid> you don't know what a POC is?
[07:04] <yintelike> yes i know what that phrase refers too,   that wasn't really the point.
[07:04] <yintelike> never mind.
[07:04] <jagcorvair> Sorry for the delay, sis took the last available IP.
[07:04] <yintelike> and i'm not a CS major
[07:05] <jagcorvair> yintelike: Ok. this is the computer
[07:05] <flaccid> im sure that ubuntu people like jriddel appreciate POCs
[07:06] <yintelike> jagcorvair ok. pastebin  the output of    sudo fdisk -l     and  dmesg | grep CD
[07:06] <jagcorvair> !pastebin
[07:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:06] <Dr_willis> draik,  what i am reading is that the change to libata -  may disable (well confuse) the hdparm command in such a way that it can neither set, or read the setting of the use dma option. and it 'should' be set allready with the libata  stuff.  But its 2 am.. and i ma gooing to bed.. night
[07:08] <jagcorvair> yintelike: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45970/
[07:10] <ardchoille> yintelike: lol, fix yur nick.. looks like you got your shirt on backwards or something
[07:10]  * ardchoille hides
[07:10] <yintelike> jagcorvair ok thats either on a real scsi bus or it is scsi emulation that's making it show as sd*    now   what exactly is the desired end result ?
[07:10] <yintelike> ardchoille lol
[07:11] <ardchoille> hahaha
[07:11] <Agent_bob> better ?
[07:11] <ardchoille> Much
[07:11] <ardchoille> :)
[07:11] <Agent_bob> the intelikey nick isn't regestered "at least not to me" any more
[07:11] <Agent_bob> so i can't kill the ghost
[07:13] <ardchoille> Ah, yeah
[07:13] <jagcorvair> Agent_bob: I want to enable DMA. I also want to use /dev/hda and /dev/hdb accordingly
[07:13] <jagcorvair> ardchoille: lol @ your comment about "yintelike"
[07:13] <ardchoille> :)
[07:14] <jagcorvair> seems that "Agent_bob" is going through an identity crisis
[07:15] <jagcorvair> Agent_bob: intelikey just left
[07:15] <Agent_bob> jagcorvair well you could add a command to symlink the sd? devices to hd? names  but that wont change the fact that linux thinks they are on an scsi bus and not on an ide bus.   have you tried looking up the "disabling scsi emulation" and test a boot with it disabled ?
[07:16] <Agent_bob> -:- SignOff intelikey: #kubuntu (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
[07:17] <jagcorvair> Agent_bob: I have not had any luck :(
[07:17] <Agent_bob> let me see if i can find you a link
[07:18] <jagcorvair> Agent_bob: This is as close as I get: http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=616843
[07:18] <Viper> "You want SCSI emulation, without it, your drive reverts to a very limited function device operated by obsoleted and unmaintained software."
[07:18] <Viper> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3801762
[07:22] <Grav3Mind> hey guys
[07:22] <Grav3Mind> whats the command so i can edit my xorg.conf txt file
[07:22] <Grav3Mind> when im in txt mode
[07:23] <stdin> Grav3Mind: "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[07:23] <Grav3Mind> thanks
[07:23] <sigma> how do i make mailto: links work in firefox? when i click them nothing happens, i want kontact to open a new message
[07:24] <Agent_bob> Viper yes.  but for testing to see if that's why his ide hd is not able to use DMA i still sujest disabling scsi emulation
[07:24] <jagcorvair> Agent_bob: Not the HDD, but the DVD drive.
[07:25] <Viper> <a href="mailto:foo">
[07:25] <Agent_bob> ummm boot option   ide-scsi=0  ???
[07:25] <jalbert> well I gtg to bed
[07:25] <sigma> viper: how do i do that?
[07:25] <jalbert> work tomorrow
[07:25] <Agent_bob> jagcorvair oh.   well that's altogather another matter.
[07:25] <jalbert> thanks for the help ardchoille
[07:25] <Viper> Sorry, thought you were trying to figure out how to write HTML mailto tag..
[07:25] <jalbert> and everybody
[07:25] <Viper> I figure that it should work automatically.
[07:25] <jagcorvair> according to one of those links, it doesn't do anything and disables k3b usage :(
[07:26] <Viper> at least after you open it...
[07:26] <jalbert> see you all later
[07:26] <jalbert> night
[07:26] <sigma> viper: i tried that, it just does nothing, what controls which program firefox uses for email?
[07:27] <Agent_bob> jagcorvair i have to tend to agree that you probably will prefer scsi emulation over dma working,  if the problem can't be resolved.    let me work on the cd/dvd end of things a minute now.
[07:27] <Viper> sigma: I'd think firefox controls what program it calls....
[07:28] <sigma> viper: how do i change the program its using?
[07:28] <Viper> sigma: Oh.... right.. I guess it just sits there....
[07:28] <jagcorvair> Agent_bob: I want to have the DVD playback. It's all choppy if at all visable through pixelation
[07:29] <Viper> sigma: about:config
[07:29] <Agent_bob> how much horse power you got there ?    i know it shouldn't matter but humour me.
[07:30] <jagcorvair> Sysinfo for 'Hudson': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz at 2793 MHz (5586 bogomips), HD: 5/72GB, RAM: 498/2017MB, 126 proc's, 1.25h up
[07:30] <Viper> sigma: find "network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto" and change to true
[07:30] <MurielGodoi> Hi all,  Any idea about how to get my pcmcia tv tuner working? That is listed in lsusb, but not added in /dev/video. The board is "ID 1164:0601 YUAN High-Tech Development Co., Ltd"
[07:30] <Viper> sigma: create "network.protocol-handler.app.mailto" and type-in app's name there.
[07:31] <Viper> sibma: create == right-click -> new -> string.
[07:32] <jagcorvair> Agent_bob: Did that answer your question?
[07:32] <ardhiel> Can anyone help me install my X-Fi drivers?
[07:33] <Viper> sigma, get all that?
[07:33] <sigma> viper: lol found the exact same thing in google now on the xandros wiki, its working:)
[07:33] <Viper> with FF: if all else fails, about:config!
[07:37] <sigma> viper: yes indeed!
[07:37] <jagcorvair> Viper: ardchoille: intelikey: yintelike: Agent_bob: Dr_willis: Thank you all for your help. It's almost midnight and I need to be up at 4:30am. I hope to have this resolved ASAP. Because of your help I am getting this much closer to the solution.
[07:38] <Viper> np jag
[07:38] <jagcorvair> Thanks again
[07:38] <jagcorvair> BEERS FOR ALL
[07:38] <jagcorvair> !botsnack
[07:38] <Viper> w00t!
[07:38] <jagcorvair> You deserve it, ubotu
[07:38] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[07:39] <jagcorvair> Viper: I had mine today during MNF (Dolphins vs Steelers; 0-3)
[07:46] <sigma> viper: im also having a problem in kmail - in the compose window, my messages are set to be composed in plain text but when i type them out it fills half the line and then moves onto the next line, wordwrap doesn't help because it causes the line to never end, how can i make it use the whole line before moving onto the next one?
[07:46] <MurielGodoi> Hi all,  Any idea about how to get my pcmcia tv tuner working? That is listed in lsusb, but not added in /dev/video. The board is "ID 1164:0601 YUAN High-Tech Development Co., Ltd"
[07:47] <Viper> sigma: That's a setting in kmail somewhere I think... it'll automatically wordwrap @ a set amount of characters.  I think it's set to 80 be default.
[07:48] <Viper> sigma: if you want, increase that to 120 or something larger.
[07:49] <Viper> That's the best way I found to handle that.. unless you use an external editor like kwrite...
[07:52] <Viper> murielgodoi: I'd check that you have the drivers installed.  Chances are if lsusb will display it, but the kernel isn't creating a link to the device, you just don' thave the right driver.
[07:54] <sigma> viper: i found the setting, however it won't let me set a number above 78, any ideas?
[07:55] <Viper> sigma: well hot damn... that's strange...
[07:56] <Viper> sigma: Well, I suppose that's probably best anyway.  100 columns on an email might be a bit wide I suppose...
[07:57] <Viper> You could try working around with getting an external editor to work... I haven't experiemented with that much though..
[07:59] <gs3user007> everytime i restart the xserver, my HDs are all randomly assigned sda1, sdb1, sdc1. The continually changing names are bit frustrating
[07:59] <gs3user007> any way to easily change them?
[08:00] <MurielGodoi> Viper: I googled for a linux driver for it, but no success. Any idea about where I can find that driver?
[08:00] <sigma> viper: i tried a external editor, when it imports the message back to kontact it word wraps at 78 again, is there no way to force a bigger number than 78? because it is very narrow
[08:02] <Viper> sigma: LOL, Much beyond that, I'm not real sure.  You probably can force a variable by compiling your own version of kmail....
[08:03] <Viper> MurielGodoi: Nope, I'd just search for the manufacturer, model, or 1164:0601.....
[08:03] <Viper> I've been having similiar issues with a webcam, lsusb will detect it, but the drivers don't exist for the device :(
[08:03] <Viper> The other thing you can do is email the manufacturer and complain... but they'll just tell you that *nix isn't supported, install M$.
[08:04] <sigma> viper: lol im not that skilled yet, just yesterday i had trouble installing a debian package!
[08:04] <Viper> lol
[08:05] <gs3user007> is there any way to change the media letters that are assigned to my drives? Ie. from sda1, sdb1, and sdc1 to something else?
[08:05] <Viper> Didn't we just have that convo. earlier tonight?...
[08:06] <gs3user007> i did ask that a minute or so ago
[08:06] <gs3user007> but i haven't been here long
[08:07] <Viper> Did you want to change /dev/sda1 to /dev/hda1..?
[08:07] <gs3user007> i share files over my network between computers, and samba isn't too fond of my drives getting all monkeyed up everytime i reboot
[08:07] <sigma> viper: do you know how to set kontact to compose permanantely in html?
[08:07] <Viper> MurielGodoi: see what you can find about 'ivtv'
[08:07] <MurielGodoi> Viper: well.. I will mail hp anyway... I who know after a lot of customers e-mails asking for a linux support they decide to change that behavior. It is worth the try
[08:07] <gs3user007> (when i reboot, the letters are (seemingly) randomly reassigned
[08:08] <Viper> g3: They shouldn't be randomly assigned... they're assigned in the order that they are created when you installed the operating systems.
[08:08] <gs3user007> every time xserv is restarted, they're rearranged
[08:09] <Viper> sigma: there's a setting in Security -> Reading.... that's about the only HTML preference I found.
[08:09] <gs3user007> is there a way to manually change them and/or force them to lock in on another name?
[08:10] <Viper> g3: you're using ubuntu, right?
[08:10] <gs3user007> kubuntu
[08:10] <gs3user007> but yes
[08:10] <Viper> close enough... same difference.
[08:10] <Viper> Ubuntu will assign drives by their UUID also.. they never change.
[08:11] <Viper> location: /dev/disk/by-uuid/*
[08:11] <gs3user007> in the media folder though...
[08:12] <Viper> That's mounted in /etc/fstab.
[08:12] <gs3user007> you've leaped above my level of expertise
[08:12] <Viper> Do you have a terminal window open?
[08:12] <gs3user007> yes
[08:13] <Viper> type cat /etc/fstab     and you'll hopefully see something familiar.
[08:13] <Viper> I feel like I'm doing support here....
[08:14] <gs3user007> well they're ntfs partitions, the drives are added by "diskmounter utility"
[08:14] <gs3user007> i suppose that's probably where the fault lies
[08:14] <Viper> So you're not using ntfs-3g then...
[08:14] <gs3user007> i can pull up adept and check...
[08:15] <Viper> Well, that file should say ntfs-3g on the line where the partition is declared.
[08:15] <sigma> viper: lol, someone needs to write a huge book detailing everything in kubuntu. i changed the mail to html and its still word wrapping at 78!
[08:15] <gs3user007> no, i don't see that at all
[08:16] <Viper> sigma: aww... post it on a web page!  lol
[08:16] <Viper> email them the link!
[08:17] <gs3user007> looking at adept, libntfs9 is installed in addition to nfts-3g
[08:17] <gs3user007> i'm not really certain which is mounting the drives
[08:17] <toxop1asma> is there a way to dig up kopete logs in kubuntu?
[08:17] <Viper> and I'm not sure about diskmounter utility...
[08:17] <Viper> plasma: as in conversation logs?
[08:17] <toxop1asma> yeah
[08:18] <Viper> Sure, but you have to enable loggin first...
[08:18] <toxop1asma> yeah, that would have made it easier, wouldn't it
[08:18] <Viper> Tremendously...
[08:18] <toxop1asma> there is no way without having enabled it prior?
[08:19] <Viper> Sure, but you'll have to have a daemon monitoring the network activity, sniffing for conversations.
[08:19] <sigma> viper: well there is that kubuntuguide.org but its pretty vague, i wish ubuntu and kubuntu were the other way around
[08:19] <Viper> But if you need something that you typed yesterday... not realy.
[08:19] <toxop1asma> earlier today, but yeah. thanks anyway!
[08:20] <Viper> Ubuntuguide will work for some things in kubuntu.
[08:21] <sigma> viper: ya but usually kubuntu needs a few more tweaks especially with compiz
[08:22] <Viper> and sigma: you probably already found this out, but it looks like once you enable HTML formatting, it sticks for future messages.
[08:22] <Viper> Have you any experience with beryl?
[08:22] <sigma> viper: ya i found that out but its still wordwrapping at 78 char for html, wish i knew why
[08:23] <Viper> sigma: compliancy with legacy email clients I suppose...
[08:23] <inversekinetix> what program do i use to boot my windows xp installation in ubunt
[08:23] <Viper> vmware?...
[08:23] <sigma> nope i read about compiz on kde on the net and found that people said it didnt work properly
[08:24] <Viper> Compiz and Beryl are both composite managers.. one works well in G, the other works well in KDE.... I forgot which is which. :(
[08:24] <sigma> viper: one site said its locked at 78 char because of some ancient family of routers that crashed at anything over that, hopefully a fix will appear in kde 4
[08:25] <sigma> i thought compiz and beryl merged to form compiz-fusion?
[08:25] <stdin> they have
[08:25] <Viper> I think they did...
[08:25] <stdin> !beryl
[08:25] <ubotu> Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[08:25] <inversekinetix> what program do i use to boot my windows xp installation in ubunt?
[08:25] <Viper> Ok, so grab the latest version of compiz-fusion from the repositories.
[08:25] <stdin> !compiz
[08:25] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[08:26] <Viper> inversekinetix: What are you requesting?  Do you want to boot both ubuntu, and xp.. or run ubuntu and open XP inside it?
[08:27] <inversekinetix> the latter, some kind of virtualization
[08:27] <Viper> VMware is a great application. (but costly)
[08:27] <Viper> http://www.nomachine.com/download.php
[08:27] <inversekinetix> i have a perfectly good xp install that I want to use in ubuntu for games and stuff that linux wont do
[08:28] <oggy> virtualbox is free
[08:28] <inversekinetix> isnt there a free player/ version?
[08:28] <Viper> Yeah, but you need the VMK already created.
[08:28] <Viper> And... for that, you can't do it.
[08:28] <inversekinetix> whats that? image?
[08:28] <sigma> i read that help site page, think its worthwhile to give it a shot, i played with compiz in ubuntu 7.10, some really good effects! has anyone here installed compiz?
[08:28] <Viper> inver: yeah
[08:28] <stdin> the server is free too, workstation is also free if you don't mind requesting a new license every 30 days
[08:28] <sigma> on kubuntu that is
[08:28] <inversekinetix> hmm, ,must be a place to get them
[08:29] <inversekinetix> stdin which is better?
[08:29] <ActionParsnip> sigma: I had beryl a while back
[08:29] <Viper> inver: HOWEVER, because the slave OS is dependent on the Host OS, your graphics will be the same as LInux.
[08:29] <stdin> inversekinetix: define "better"
[08:29] <inversekinetix> better = has the better pro's to con's ratio
[08:29] <stdin> depends what's a pro/con to you
[08:29] <inversekinetix> :P
[08:30] <Viper> sigma: I've tried compiz, but had better luck with beryl, but had even better luck with compiz-fusion on my G/F's new laptop this weekend.
[08:30] <sigma> ActionParsnip: did it have any issues displaying in kubuntu?
[08:30] <sigma> viper: does the laptop have ubuntu or kubuntu?
[08:30] <ActionParsnip> sigma: there's an issue with windows decorations which can be fixed by editing xorg.conf
[08:30] <inversekinetix> stdin which do you think is better using my definition
[08:30] <Viper> sigma: kubuntu
[08:30] <ActionParsnip> sigma: otherwise its fine
[08:31] <stdin> player is good for running 1 or 2 VMs every now and then, workstation is good for creating VMs and running them more often, server is good if you run VMs often and want to access them from another system
[08:31] <Viper> But, you still can't play games on a windows VM running on a Linux host.
[08:31] <stdin> some you can, some you can't
[08:31] <Viper> Unless you have 3D drivers on linux..
[08:31] <inversekinetix> i have good graphics card
[08:32] <MurielGodoi> Viper: I found a tutorial and install ivtv here... but no success :(. I will send a mail to ivtv mails list to make sure that my board is supported.
[08:32] <stdin> virtual machines have their own virtual graphics card
[08:32] <sigma> viper: were there any issues with compiz-fusion on the window decorations?
[08:32] <Viper> MurielGodoi: Ok, I just seen that there was a YUAN card supported, so figured that was a decent place to start.
[08:32] <inversekinetix> so its better to just boot into windows for games
[08:32] <sigma> ActionParsnip: ok well i assume that was fixed in compiz fusion
[08:33] <Viper> sigma: Nope, none that I found.
[08:33] <stdin> inversekinetix: if you can't run them in wine, then probably yes
[08:33] <Viper> inver: IMHO, if you can afford it, yeah it is...
[08:33] <ActionParsnip> sigma: as long as you have 3d accel you should be ok
[08:33] <MurielGodoi> Viper: Sure that is a decent place,  thanks
[08:33] <sigma> viper: ok then perhaps i should give it a try, is there anyway to extract the deb files from the ubuntu 7.10 cd?
[08:34] <Viper> sigma: cd /media/cdrom1/path/to/debs & dpkg -i compiz-fusion-??.deb........ aye?....
[08:34] <titanix88> sigma live cd?
[08:35] <stdin> easier to do "sudo apt-cdrom add" with the ubuntu cd in
[08:35] <Viper> I'll check the repository as I'm still running 7.04 here... one sec
[08:35] <sigma> ActionParsnip: have a 6600GT with the glx drivers (new), was playing COD 2 flawlessly last night, so it prob will work
[08:35] <ActionParsnip> sigma: use adept to install compiz-fusion, should be fine then :)
[08:35] <sigma> viper: what was that last message, i dont understand the command
[08:35] <stdin> follow the guide tho
[08:36] <titanix88> charlesb
[08:36] <titanix88> charlesb
[08:36] <Viper> I was thinking that you may just be able to use dpkg to install the debs manually...
[08:36] <stdin> you really need to use the guide to install compiz on kubuntu because you need an extra package or two
[08:36] <Viper> or add the CD to your repository like stdin said.
[08:36] <sigma> ActionParsnip: lol wish i could, but im in SA on a gprs modem @ 50c a MB with speeds less than 10kb/s
[08:36] <JackWinter> hiya, not sure what i did, but i keep getting this when (& more) when i run adept. *** qt_plugins_3.3rc (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? dpkg: error processing libqt3-mt (--configure):
[08:37] <ActionParsnip> sigma: bah :(
[08:37] <ActionParsnip> sigma: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[08:37] <JackWinter> Adept seems to install $ remove pacckages though.
[08:37] <Viper> Action: That package isn't in the 7.04 repository.
[08:37] <stdin> sigma: the compiz packages aren't on the desktop CD, only on the alternate one
[08:37] <stdin> JackWinter: open konsole, type in "sudo dpkg --configure -a" and press enter when asked questions
[08:40] <sigma> stdin: it has to be on the ubuntu desktop cd because ubuntu has that feature enabled, i know you need two extra packages
[08:40] <stdin> sigma: doesn't mean the .debs are
[08:40] <ActionParsnip> sigma: i'd just bite the bullet :(
[08:41] <stdin> sigma: the only .debs on the desktop cd are the restricted modules, build-essential and a couple others
[08:41] <sigma> stdin: dam ya u are prob right
[08:41] <Viper> Anyone have much experience with an application called zenoss?
[08:42] <sigma> ActionParsnip: oh well looks like another trip back to the university, where bandwidth comes, fast and free!
[08:42] <ActionParsnip> hehe totally
[08:42] <sigma> viper: what does it do?
[08:42] <ActionParsnip> burn the packages to cd too for later use ;)
[08:43] <Viper> It's a set of applications that monitors the health of network devices.  Install the host on a server, which will also provide a web interface to check status of clients.
[08:43] <Viper> My company wants to start using it to keep closer tabs on our servers.
[08:44] <Viper> didn't know if anyone had any tips on its quirks that I'm likely to find.....
[08:44] <sigma> actionparsnip: totally i have a mini repository on my hdd
[08:44] <JackWinter> stdin, now adept crashes hard when i try to remove some programs...
[08:44] <stdin> dang
[08:45] <sigma> viper: nope can't say i have used that app before
[08:45] <Viper> sigma: http://www.zenoss.com/download/links?nt is the link for their site if you want to check it out... it looks pretty stable and mature.... (crosses fingers)
[08:45] <stdin> JackWinter: in konsole again try "sudo apt-get -f install"
[08:46] <sigma> viper: will do
[08:46] <stdin> damn, I still got the topic wrong :p
[08:46] <sebastian^> good morning folks
[08:46] <stdin> that's better :)
[08:47] <sigma> ok heres one, why does compiz have compiz-gnome as a dependancy if im using kde?
[08:47] <sebastian^> right stdin :)
[08:48] <stdin> sigma: because compiz is a metapackage for gnome
[08:48] <JackWinter> seems to run ok, gives this: The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[08:48] <JackWinter> gnome-keyring libgtop2-common libgnome-keyring0 gconf2 libglade2-0 libgtop2-7
[08:49] <JackWinter> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:49] <stdin> JackWinter: ok, try adept then
[08:49] <sigma> stdin: do i have to install the "compiz" package for kde?
[08:49] <stdin> sigma: no, I'm updating the help page now
[08:50] <ActionParsnip> JackWinter: you could use sudo apt-get autoremove
[08:50] <ActionParsnip> JackWinter: that will remove any orphaned apps
[08:51] <sigma> stdin: well thats comforting those dependencies were starting to scare me!
[08:52] <Viper> sigma: Yeah... install 1 package... 130 depencies found, 1200MB needed......
[08:52] <JackWinter> sfdin: it sig11
[08:54] <sigma> did anyone figure out how to run firebird on wine? i use a accounting package called Omni Accounts and when it installs with wine the firebird server always fails to start
[08:54] <stdin> sigma: try just with "sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-kde emerald"
[08:55] <sigma> viper: ive just been looking at the dep's for compiz, how big do you think all the required packages are?
[08:55] <sigma> stdin: il try that although i cant use apt-get
[08:58] <JackWinter> i did a apt-get autoremove, then in adept i clicked fetch updates, seems to work now.  many thanks!
[08:59] <sigma> do i really need the compiz settings manager?
[09:00] <Viper> sigma: no
[09:00] <Viper> sigma: but I'd advise in you downloading that too.
[09:00] <Viper> sigma: compiz requires compiz-core, compiz-plugins, compiz-gtk, compiz-gnome.
[09:01] <Viper> (or maybe compiz-kde)...
[09:01] <sigma> viper: what does the settings manager do, does it change anything critical
[09:02] <stdin> the settings manager is needed to change compiz's settings
[09:03] <stdin> like which plugins to use and what keys activate them
[09:03] <stdin> (you really probably want that)
[09:03] <Viper> and is really useful, as you'll be lost without it...
[09:03] <sigma> fair enough
[09:04] <Viper> Overall, it looks to be under 5M.
[09:04] <stdin> counted the deps of the deps?
[09:04] <Viper> the plugins are the largest part, at a whopping 2.2Mb.
[09:04] <Viper> .... no :(
[09:05] <Viper> But yeah... + the 100MB+ video driver...
[09:05] <Viper> but, if he has KDE installed, he should have most of the other deps.
[09:07] <Viper> omg... I hate these deps, this application requires python 2.3 or 2.4... I have 2.5 installed.  Nope, too high, I needed 2.4 also!
[09:08] <sigma> huh?, i just got the plugins, it was 300kb odd
[09:10] <sigma> ok compiz-kde done
[09:11] <Viper> Ok sigma, your in the standard::cin's hands now.  I'm out.
[09:16] <sigma> it works!!!!!!!!!
[09:19] <double> salut :)
[09:19] <double> english or french chan ?
[09:23] <Thor_>  im having problems with my 'getty' it seems that whenever i push ctrl+alt+F1 i just get a black screen...
[09:24] <Thor_>  im having problems with my 'getty' it seems that whenever i push ctrl+alt+F1 i just get a black screen...
[09:25] <ere4si> Thor_: try ctrl-alt-F2
[09:25] <Thor_> same thing happens from F1-F6
[09:28] <ere4si> Thor_: but alt-F7 brings you back - yes?
[09:28] <ere4si> back to a x environment?
[09:29] <Thor_> yes
[09:29] <Thor_> its weird that that does bring me back to x
[09:29] <Thor_> its just when i try to do F1-F6 all i get is just a blinking cursor
[09:30] <socketErr> how can i see differences between installed files and the deb-package contents?
[09:41] <ere4si> Thor_: and when you open konsole?
[09:43] <Thor_> it eh, is messed up
[09:43] <Thor_> though im on ubuntu not kubuntu, but i did install KDE a while back
[09:44] <Thor_> and recently removed KDE
[09:46] <ere4si> Thor_: as a check - go to synaptic and click status at the bottom left and see if there are left over installs to be removed- if there are then remove and reboot - could clear things up...
[09:46] <Thor_> hmmk
[09:47] <Thor_> ill give that a shot
[09:47] <ere4si> k
[09:47] <J-_> If I install kde4 on my system, will it break anything since it's still in dev?
[09:47] <corinth> How can I get Kaffeine to play my dvd movies?
[09:47] <ere4si> !dvd
[09:47] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[09:47] <ere4si> !kde4
[09:47] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. RC 1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[09:49] <J-_> heck, I'm just going to wait til december 11th
[09:50] <corinth> What happens december 11?
[09:50] <ere4si> J-_: it's only a little reading :)
[09:50] <J-_> corinth: kde4 release
[09:50] <corinth> The final release?
[09:51] <J-_> corinth: See the factoid above.
[09:52] <vblanton> #join kde
[09:52] <corinth> Wow, I didn't know it was that soon. Do you think it'll be ready in time?
[09:52] <ubuntu_> hi guys
[09:52] <vblanton> corinth, talking about kde4?
[09:53] <vblanton> hi pongscript
[09:53] <J-_> corinth: I don't know, I'm a gnome user. =)
[09:53] <corinth> vblanton: Yep.
[09:53] <pongscript> any one know about bugs regarding new ubuntu gutsy gibon
[09:53] <J-_> pongscript: launchpad will.
[09:54] <J-_> pongscript: https://launchpad.net/
[09:54] <vblanton> corinth, it'll have a lot of kinks of course, but the important stuff is there.  I just hope that all the apps are properly converted to kde4/qt4 by 4.1
[09:54] <pongscript> i have problem when i installed it, my screen flicker  and i cannot use my computer
[09:54] <vblanton> I've been using kde4 on and off recently and it is certainly stable and impressive on many levels
[09:55] <J-_> hmm, nice
[09:55] <pongscript> i tried upgrading fiesty to gutsy but still same problem?
[09:55] <corinth> vblanton, I'm fairly new to KDE. Would you suggest that I wait until 4.1?
[09:55] <pongscript> what do you think is the problem.. i am running in live cd right now
[09:55] <vblanton> pongscript, livecd works?
[09:56] <J-_> I can't wait, really. I'm too anxious, although, I can wait til dec. 11th.
[09:56] <pongscript> yes
[09:56] <vblanton> corinth, it's hard to say.  A lot can happen in two month in the Free Software world.
[09:56] <pongscript> im running with it now
[09:56] <SSJ_GZ> corinth: If you want to help fix bugs in a very rough system, use 4.0.  If you want a pleasant and smooth environment to work in, I'd suggest waiting for 4.1
[09:56] <ere4si> pongscript: upgrades can remove the video drivers - have you tried reinstalling them?
[09:57] <corinth> vblanton, Thanks!
[09:57] <pongscript> how can i reinstall them if i cant use my pc.
[09:57] <pongscript> i cant even see the log in screen
[09:57] <vblanton> I recommend getting comfortable with KDE 3 and waiting for kubuntu to adopt kde 4 as the default. then you'll know that it is ready
[09:57] <ere4si> pongscript: can you boot from the rescue kernel?
[09:58] <vblanton> there will be a kde 4 version of kubuntu released, of course, but eventually it'll be the only option.  Then you'll know that it is ready to use.
[09:58] <pongscript> i trying to press esc on boot for boot menu.. but the keyboard are not working
[09:58] <SatManUK> are there any known issues with nvidea graphics cards and Kubuntu? I installed kubuntu along side windows on my friends pc last night - but when we tried to play some 3d games its running really blocky and slowly like the graphics card had no 3d support at all.
[09:58] <pongscript> maybe i can boot from rescue cd
[09:59] <pongscript> by the way im running an ATI graphics card
[09:59] <pongscript> 9200 se
[09:59] <ere4si> pongscript: only one OS on the drive?
[09:59] <pongscript> yup
[09:59] <pongscript> kubuntu only... i dropped windows os
[09:59] <vblanton> pongscript, X isn't properly configuring your display for some reason
[09:59] <pongscript> kinda'
[10:00] <vblanton> what kind of gfx card do you have?
[10:00] <pongscript> i just installed it and when it ask for a reboot.. i reboot my pc.. then whola .. it just acted like that.
[10:00] <vblanton> pongscript, what kind of graphics card do you have?
[10:00] <pongscript> ATI radeon 9200se
[10:00] <pongscript> but i installed feisty fawn .. it works
[10:01] <vblanton> did you install the driver using alberto milone's envy?
[10:01] <pongscript> but when i try upgrading or even installing gutsy.. it flicker
[10:01] <noobuntu> http://www.dfreer.org/~dfreer/screenshots/amarok_glitch.png whats causing this?
[10:02] <pongscript> i cant install a graphic driver since the screen was flickering to wildly.
[10:02] <vblanton> did you install ATI drivers in some funky way other than the restricted drivers manager?
[10:02] <vblanton> ok
[10:02] <vblanton> There is something going on with the new version of X and your graphics/monitor it seems
[10:03] <vblanton> you need to find out what driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf is using to use your graphics card
[10:03] <pongscript> but why on kubuntu 7.04
[10:03] <pongscript> it works
[10:03] <vblanton> kubuntu 7.04 uses an older version of X.org that doesn't have some of the cool new technologies 7.10's version has
[10:03] <vblanton> it is a minor problem that is easily repairable
[10:03] <pongscript> ahh.. ok
[10:04] <vblanton> I haven't heard of anyone having problems, but my intuition is telling me that X is the problem
[10:04] <ere4si> found this bug for gutsy - http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg533967.html
[10:05] <vblanton> I recommend posting this problem on the ubuntu forums and say that you think it may be X configuring your display incorrectly.  You'll recieve valuable help immediately
[10:05] <vblanton> unfortunately i need to sleep!
[10:06] <pongscript> okie.. thanks guys...
[10:06] <pongscript> sleep well
[10:06] <vblanton> does the resolution seem correct?
[10:06] <vblanton> even though it flickers
[10:06] <pongscript> i didnt adjust any of the resolution or xconf
[10:07] <vblanton> if the resolution seems off then you might want to mention that in the forum post
[10:08] <vblanton> can you login in at all?
[10:08] <schiste> Hi, I4ve got a probleme with my sound card. I hear the system sounds, however if I wanna play a cd/ogg/podcast
[10:09] <schiste> ok
[10:09] <klocek> hi, how can i start ssh server from console
[10:09] <schiste> solved
[10:09] <schiste> thanks schiste
[10:09] <schiste> You're welcome handsome
[10:10] <vblanton> klocek, sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[10:10] <vblanton> all services are started by init scripts located in /etc/init.d/
[10:10] <vblanton> for future reference
[10:10] <vblanton> kdm can also be started that way
[10:10] <vblanton> schiste, hah
[10:11] <vblanton> instant karma!
[10:11] <vblanton> gnight all
[10:12] <klocek> there is no ssh script in this folder
[10:13] <klocek> i had kubuntu 6.06
[10:17] <ere4si> klocek: I think the server has to be installed
[10:17] <junglist_> hi, who knows if we will be able to easily upgrade to kde4 from kubuntu gutsy?
[10:18] <pacs34> I've installed Ubuntu (I prefer KDE but happened to have a brand new Ubuntu dvd on hand) on my new box but I can't figure out how to configure my DSL account.  Any hints on where to begin would be appreciated?
[10:19] <ere4si> !kde4
[10:19] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. RC 1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[10:21] <Jucato> junglist_: we kinda still haven't gottern around to finalizing that yet. but as of now, the normal thing to do is to install KDE4 side by side with KDE 3.5.8, in different directories (so they won't mess each other up)
[10:22] <jussi01> how do I see the permissions on a file from the command line?
[10:23] <janerik> !partition
[10:23] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[10:25] <ere4si> !permissions
[10:25] <ubotu> An explanation of how files and directories are organized on Ubuntu, and how they can be manipulated, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[10:37] <junglist_> jucato- do you think that kubuntu will release a kde4 version seperate and before hardy? it sounds complicated installing the 2 next to each other,
[10:38] <poison--> mornin guys
[10:38] <Jucato> junglist_: the plan is to have KDE 4 Live CD's, most probably based on Gutsy (since Hardy isn't stable yet)
[10:38] <poison--> hi jucato
[10:38] <Jucato> hi poison--
[10:38] <poison--> man, my mixer icon desapeared from the bar
[10:38] <Jucato> poison--: run K Menu -> Multimedia -> KMix
[10:39] <poison--> k
[10:39] <poison--> damn.. it worked
[10:39] <poison--> lol
[10:39] <Jucato> you doubted me? O.o
[10:40] <Jucato> how could you!! T_T
[10:40] <poison--> eheheh
[10:40] <poison--> i thought it couldnt be dat easy
[10:40] <poison--> its gone for more than a week
[10:40] <poison--> :D
[11:04] <Jack111> hi
[11:05] <Jack111> i would like to be able to open a writing application in a browser tab
[11:05] <Jack111> to make it more easy to work with webpages
[11:05] <Jack111> any idea?
[11:05] <Jack111> i remember i could do that with konquerore
[11:07] <alois> salut
[11:08] <alois> bonjout
[11:08] <alois> bonjour
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> Jack111: http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/index.html
[11:09] <ere4si> !fr
[11:09] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:10] <Jack111> another thing, when i double click on a link, firefox opens the address always with two tabs, anyone help?
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> Jack111: what happens if you single click only?
[11:13] <llutz> Jack111: why should one use double-click to open a link in a browser?
[11:13] <Jack111> ActionParsnip: sorry, i single click and two tabs open
[11:14] <Jack111> llutz: my mistake i single click i meant
[11:14] <llutz> ic
[11:15] <Jack111> llutz, ActionParsnip: it happens no matter if i right click or middle button click
[11:15] <ActionParsnip> Jack111: try closing firefox, renaming ~/.firefox (might be ~/.mozilla) to ~/.firefox_old
[11:15] <ActionParsnip> Jack111: then rerun firefox
[11:15] <ActionParsnip> Jack111: if it doesnt do any better rename it back
[11:16] <vanni> hi all, i can not install hamachi... i followed the guide but when i use hamachi-init nothing happend! please can you help me??
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> Jack111: I'm at work on a WinXP system at the mo so I can't be sure of the file structure
[11:17] <Jack111> ActionParsnip: ok, i check it out thanks a lot
[11:18] <vanni> hi all, i can not install hamachi... i followed the guide but when i use hamachi-init nothing happend! please can you help me??
[11:20] <ActionParsnip> vanni: have a look at this http://forums.hamachi.cc/viewtopic.php?t=3523
[11:21] <_Shade_> hi i am going to connect using vnc to a windows machine. The point is there's a router out there
[11:21] <_Shade_> what can i do with it?
[11:24] <_Shade_> i suppose i should redirect some ports on windows box, but i don't know how to do it?
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> _Shade_: are you connected on the same router
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> _Shade_: or are you on a different router
[11:24] <_Shade_> no
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> _Shade_: If you are connecting to an external network (not connected to your router)
[11:25] <_Shade_> the whole operation is performed using the internet
[11:25] <_Shade_> ActionParsnip: yes it's the external one
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> _Shade_: you will need to port forward port 5800 and 5900
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> one is tcp and the other is udp
[11:26] <Jack111> ActionParsnip: hey, sorry I actually meant an app like kword , any editor, or openoffice
[11:26] <lena> buenas
[11:26] <lena> alguien de valencia?
[11:26] <_Shade_> ActionParsnip: but how do i redirect these ports (on the windows box)
[11:26] <vanni> ok thanks
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> _Shade_: it depends entirely on your router. read your manual
[11:27] <stdin> !es | lena
[11:27] <ubotu> lena: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> _Shade_: also set the vnc server to static-IP to make the connection work
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> Jack111: explain your problem again, sorry
[11:28] <lena> gracias ubotu
[11:28] <_Shade_> ActionParsnip: i have no router here, and tthe computer im going to connect to is - as you said - in the external network
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> _Shade_: yes as it is not in your subnet. The network with the VNC server must have port forwarding setup on the router so the connection is passed over
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> set the vnc server to a static ip in the ip range of the router
[11:29] <Jack111> ActionParsnip: when i have to write something i often have to copy from several web pages , so i was wondering can i open koffice a spreadsheet or openoffice in a browser tab?
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> _Shade_: and set up port forwarding on port 5800 and 5900
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> Jack111: right click file -> open with (or similar)
[11:30] <Jack111> ActionParsnip: I REMEMber i could do that konqui
[11:30] <_Shade_> ActionParsnip: the router ip is 85.222.23.183 so what might be the ip i have to set?
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> _Shade_: you will vnc to that ip. you need to set the router to port forward 5800 and 5900 to whatever the ip is of the vnc server
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> _Shade_: 192.168.0.2 (depends on network)
[11:31] <Jack111> ActionParsnip:  then firefox asks me which app to use and then opens it in an external program again
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> _Shade_: the router assigns ip addresses to systems. If the port forwarding is sent to 192.168.0.2 and your VNC server has the ip of 192.168.0.32 then it wont work will it
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> Jack111: you should be able to bring the file context menu up and open it with a different app
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> _Shade_: have you google on how to set this up at all?
[11:34] <_Shade_> ActionParsnip: yes i have read about it some time ago when i was trying to do it but it didn't help since i haven't got direct access to the router
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> well yes you do, you have that ip you gave
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> _Shade_: you need to access the router from the internal network (may involve travelling or callinga friend) as port forwarding cannot be set from the WAN unless you explicitlyallow it (rare and dangerous)
[11:35] <J-_> What's a good screen capturing program to use?
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> J-_: One is already installed, just hit print screen :)
[11:36] <J-_> I mean video =P
[11:36] <_Shade_> ActionParsnip: so i have no chances to set this up?
[11:36] <Jack111> ActionParsnip: well i say open with firefox, and then firefox opens a task and asks me again.and points to the file tree...
[11:37] <Jack111> ActionParsnip: it works fine with konqueror though
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> _Shade_: not without access to the remote router config
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> Jack111: so you want firefox to be the standard html viewer
[11:37] <_Shade_> ActionParsnip: well i told the person to access it so it should be fine
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> J-_: no idea then sorry
[11:37] <J-_> no prob
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> _Shade_: they need to set up the port forwarding as well as the static ip on the vnc server system
[11:38] <Jack111> ActionParsnip: yes...it is actually
[11:38]  * J-_ wants to capture his desktop, and upload a youtube video so he can put it in his blog
[11:38] <Jack111> ActionParsnip: but also open spreadsheet or word docs in a browser tab
[11:39] <J-_> !info recordmydesktop
[11:39] <ubotu> recordmydesktop: Captures audio-video data of a linux desktop session. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.4-1 (gutsy), package size 41 kB, installed size 124 kB
[11:39] <J-_> =D
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> J-_: get recordMyDesktop
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> Jack111: then your file associations are screwed
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> Jack111: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2caQmPC5Cts
[11:42] <J-_> ActionParsnip: Just did.
[11:43] <J-_> I just mentioned it.. >.> lol
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> J-_: i've used it once, its not bad
[11:44] <Jack111> ActionParsnip: i also renamed ~/.firefox to -old, but any click still opens two tabs of the same address
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> Jack111: ok then remove the newly amde firefox folder and rename the original back
[11:44] <mikkael> is it possible to include minimized windows to the compiz scale effect ?
[11:45] <lena> #red-handed
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> right kids i'm off for some grub
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> peace
[11:47] <poison--> is there a ISO editor for kubuntu?
[11:52] <Fyl0n> Guys, (and gals)
[11:52] <Fyl0n> Is there a way to EXPORT my mail from Kmail?
[11:53] <ere4si> poison--: I found one in the synaptic package manager - brb
[11:53] <Jack111> can anyone help?
[11:54] <Jack111> i cannot open docs or spreadsheets in firefox...
[11:54] <Lynoure> Fyl0n: http://forums.xandros.com/viewtopic.php?t=1551 could be helpful for you. Kmail saves the mail in standard formats, no real export is needed
[11:55] <ere4si> poison--: sorry - I'm the wrong user atm - can't open synaptic...
[11:57] <renovatio> bonjours
[11:57] <poison--> :(
[11:58] <ere4si> poison--: click on the search icon in synaptic and type iso
[12:00] <Fyl0n> Lynoure: Big THANX
[12:00] <poison--> i did
[12:00] <Lynoure> Fyl0n: :) You are welcome.
[12:08] <neville> This may be a silly question, but, does anybody know how I can make windows in KDE get stuck on the edge of the screen briefly before they are 'pushed' off?
[12:11] <Lynoure> neville: yes, you can, it was tresshold time or something like that...
[12:13] <Lynoure> neville: "Desktop switch delay" might do it
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> lo all
[12:18] <neville> Lynoure: Ahh, thanks ^^;
[12:20] <Cold_Inz> Hi, I've finally located what's causing my system to lock up/freeze. It's Xorg, if I run a heavy program taking some of the cpu, the system locks completely up and I'm forced to reboot. but I've noticed 'cause it happened while computer was idle, Xorg locked up completely but i was able to ctrl+alt+1/2/3 and TOP out that Xorg was using at least 97% of my cpu. Anyone familiar with this ?
[12:20] <zorglu_> q. in /proc/pid/fd i got a 17 -> [pipe]:174967 and i would like to get more info on this file descriptor, any suggestion tool able to do that ?
[12:20] <newguyss> hi, any recommended VPS with ubuntu?
[12:23] <ahmad> I have toshiba laptop with HD audio sound card but the sound is very low any way to elevate it although mixer volum 100%
[12:23] <ahmad> help
[12:24] <neville> ahmad: Try turning up the volume using the controls on the actual laptop, if it has any?
[12:24] <Dragnslcr> Check all of the mixer channels in KMix and alsamixer
[12:24] <Lynoure> neville: found it, then? I could not give a full path to it, not being on Kubuntu right now..
[12:25] <neville> Lynoure: I found it under System Settings/Window Behaviour/Moving
[12:25] <neville> Just had to change the number of pixels it used from 0 to 4
[12:25] <ahmad> where alsamixer
[12:25] <Lynoure> neville: :)
[12:26] <neville> ^^
[12:26] <ata4ix> in kubuntu 7.10 desktop dvd is present sshd or its need to install?
[12:26] <Lynoure> ata4ix: sshd needs to be installed manually
[12:27] <Lynoure> ata4ix: it might still be on the dvd, not sure, I don't have the dvd here, but it does not get installed automagically
[12:29] <ahmad> how i can open alsamixer
[12:31] <Cold_Inz> Hi, I've finally located what's causing my system to lock up/freeze. It's Xorg, if I run a heavy program taking some of the cpu, the system locks completely up and I'm forced to reboot. but I've noticed 'cause it happened while computer was idle, Xorg locked up completely but i was able to ctrl+alt+1/2/3 and TOP out that Xorg was using at least 97% of my cpu. Anyone familiar with this ?
[12:31] <firecrotch> ahmad: you can open it from the command line by typing alsamixer.  If it isn't installed (I dont think it is) you can install it with "sudo apt-get install alsamixer"
[12:32] <firecrotch> at least not installed by default
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> Cold_Inz: do you use via chipsets?
[12:33] <ata4ix> Lynoure, 10x +1
[12:33] <poison--> firefox latest update is  a true mess
[12:34] <poison--> eats resources like hell
[12:34] <Cold_Inz> ActionParsnip: uh sorry I'm not sure =/
[12:34] <ahmad> i open alsamixer but ifound master volume 00
[12:34] <firecrotch> poison--: Yeah, I noticed that too
[12:34] <ahmad> and i can't change
[12:34] <ThusLex> anyone can help me
[12:34] <poison--> one tab open: 355MB usage
[12:34] <ThusLex> ?
[12:34] <ata4ix> openssh server? to install?
[12:35] <Cold_Inz> ActionParsnip: been so long since I bought it I can't remember. any way to find out via. the system ?
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> Cold_Inz: try lspci | grep via
[12:35] <pcs> 192.168.1.10
[12:35] <ThusLex> ?
[12:36] <Cold_Inz> ActionParsnip: didn't return anything
[12:36] <firecrotch> ahmad: pressing the up arrow while the master channel is selected doesn't do anything?
[12:36] <ahmad> no
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> Cold_Inz: try it without grep
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> Cold_Inz: see what you have
[12:36] <firecrotch> poison--: hmm, that's even worse than mine
[12:36] <poison--> LOL
[12:36] <ahmad> nothing
[12:36] <poison--> is it possible to revert to the old state?
[12:37] <Cold_Inz> ActionParsnip: hm, it's all via, but was case-sensitive. (VIA)
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> Cold_Inz: bah, ok VIA stuff is weird with linux from what ove read
[12:38] <Cold_Inz> ActionParsnip: I've found something googling, and it points towards funny nvidia drivers, so I'ma look abit longer into that, but thanks for response =) never had this kinda problem before I upgraded from feisty to gutsy
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> Cold_Inz: no worries man, hope you get it whipped
[12:39] <firecrotch> poison--: not sure, but I think there is an easy way to install a specific version of a package via aptitude
[12:39] <ahmad> only pcm mic can be changed
[12:39] <poison--> :(
[12:39] <ahmad> firecrotch :help
[12:40] <firecrotch> poison--: aptitude install firefox=2.0.0.9
[12:40] <firecrotch> ahmad: perhaps the master is muted?
[12:41] <firecrotch> ahmad: I don't think you can change it without first unmuting it
[12:42] <ahmad> firecrotch: there is sound but very low
[12:42] <firecrotch> ahmad: do you happen to be using a laptop that has an intel hda sound card?
[12:43] <ahmad> firecrotch : yes
[12:44] <firecrotch> ahmad: lspci shows that it's the ICH7 family, right?
[12:45] <ahmad> firecrotch: what lspci
[12:45] <firecrotch> ahmad:  type this into a terminal: lspci | grep ICH7
[12:45] <firecrotch> ahmad:  it should give you a line referencing your sound card
[12:46] <firecrotch> ahmad:  if so, it's a known problem with the driver, more info here: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1488
[12:47] <ahmad> firecrotch: Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[12:47] <firecrotch> ahmad:  same model of sound card that I have.  I haven't been able to get anything out of it at all
[12:48] <ahmad> firecrotch: many thanks
[12:48] <fredrik> Can someon send me a link to an howto for installing Nvidia Geforce 4400? Envy did not work with 7.10
[12:49] <firecrotch> ahmad:  you're welcome! let me know if you get it working so I can try to get mine to work
[12:49] <poison--> <firecrotch, guess dat will have to do the trick
[12:49] <poison--> :D
[12:49] <poison--> thanks
[12:49] <firecrotch> poison--:  no problem :)
[12:50] <poison--> why the hell does konkerour keeps apearing twice in resources manager?
[12:50] <poison--> im using dolphin
[12:50] <ahmad> any one can hlep me to install Aiglx on ATI mobility x1600
[12:50] <firecrotch> poison--: not sure, but mine does the same thing
[12:51] <stdin> poison--: it's pre-loaded
[12:51] <firecrotch> poison--:  it may be that KDE preloads it
[12:51] <myndbreaker> fredrik: if you want to user the proprietary driver you should use the nvidia-glx-legacy
[12:51] <firecrotch> grrrr, beaten by stdin
[12:51]  * firecrotch shakes fist
[12:52] <kde4> hi stdin checked kde4 already
[12:52] <fredrik> myndbreaker: I installed thos from synaptic but nothing happened
[12:52] <ahmad> heeeeeeeeeeeeeelp
[12:52] <stdin> blendtux: you should check out the new LiveCD we got too
[12:53] <stdin> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php < link
[12:53] <firecrotch> stdin: is the live CD installable?
[12:53] <myndbreaker> go to fredrik: you have to run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:53] <stdin> I think so, if you can find the installer in the menu :p
[12:54] <myndbreaker> this rewrites your xorg.conf to use the proprietary driver...
[12:54] <firecrotch> I tried using KDE4 in my gutsy install, but it broke compiz in KDE3 somehow
[12:55]  * stdin says "bah" to compiz
[12:55] <stdin> kwin's composite is good enough for me
[12:55] <fredrik> myndbreaker: ok now the xorg.conf  has been changed several times so "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" complains about that
[12:55] <blendtux> yeah, but i have rc1 installed rightnow, i am running it at the moment
[12:55] <firecrotch> I'd check out kde4 more, but I'm too lazy to try setting it up to my liking
[12:56] <myndbreaker> fredrik: you can also go to System Settings =>  Advanced => restricted drivers
[12:56] <myndbreaker> there you have to activate System administration mode and tick the checkbox for the restircted driver...
[12:56] <myndbreaker> restart X and it should be up and running..
[12:57] <fredrik> hmm no restricted drivers ther. I did install it
[12:57] <myndbreaker> ?
[12:58] <myndbreaker> if you installed them correctly they should appear in the list of restricted drivers...
[12:58] <myndbreaker> have you read http://www.kubuntu.org/doc/7.10/hardware/C/video.html#nvidia
[12:59] <fredrik> now I got acces to restricted drivers via terminal
[13:00] <myndbreaker> fredrik: nice ;)
[13:00] <myndbreaker> command line: the choice fpr real men ;)
[13:01] <Jack111> hi
[13:02] <firecrotch> hi, Jack111
[13:02] <Jack111> how do i arrange two windows like kate and firefox with a key combination beside each other each using 50% desktop space? cannot remember how to do that..
[13:02] <Jack111> thans
[13:02] <Jack111> thanks
[13:05] <Jakobsen> Hey guys.. I would really like to try Kubuntu, because I like the look of KDE. My problem is, that all my favourite applications are made for Gnome.... I think the Gnome apps look terrible in KDE - is there a way to fix this?
[13:07] <firecrotch> Jakobsen: in the KDE System Settings panel, there's an option to use your KDE styling on GTK apps
[13:09] <firecrotch> Jakobsen: makes GTK apps fit right into the look and feel of KDE, IMO
[13:09] <Jakobsen> Will I then need a lot of Gnome-libraries installed too?
[13:10] <firecrotch> Jakobsen:  you should only need the core GTK stuff installed, not most of gnome
[13:10] <Jakobsen> firecrotch, that sounds nice
[13:13] <firecrotch> Jakobsen: I have all of gnome installed anyways though, even though I rarely use it
[13:13] <funcrush> I installed compiz and run, but title-bars are disappered
[13:13] <funcrush> how can I fix it?
[13:13] <firecrotch> funcrush:  you also need to run "emerald --replace"
[13:14] <funcrush> no
[13:14] <funcrush> hm..
[13:15] <Jakobsen> firecrotch, I think it's a mess to have both Gnome and KDE installed at the same time.. But that's just my own personal opinion..
[13:15] <funcrush> firecrotch: but is it for Gnome?
[13:17] <firecrotch> funcrush:  you're using gnome? I'm not sure how to use compiz and all that in gnome, really
[13:19] <funcrush> firecrotch: I'm using KDE (just install kubuntu 7.10 on my system)
[13:20] <firecrotch> funcrush: are you starting compiz with the command "compiz --replace"?
[13:20] <funcrush> no
[13:20] <funcrush> just type "compiz"
[13:20] <firecrotch> try compiz --replace
[13:20] <funcrush> ypu i'll try
[13:21] <kraut> moin
[13:22] <funcrush> firecrotch: thank you, title-bars are left on its window
[13:22] <myndbreaker> kraut: moinsen
[13:22] <firecrotch> funcrush:  no problem :)
[13:23] <funcrush> firecrotch: well, how I can apply wave effect on a window? could you help me?
[13:24] <firecrotch> funcrush: you mean so that the windows wobble when you move them?
[14:02] <Jack111> hey can anybody help, if i have two program windows on the desktop, how can i amke them arrange using each half of the space available...
[14:02] <Jack111> thanks
[14:04] <ciacon> hi folks - can someone help me with a with my Graphics-card?? it is GL related - but NOT compiz or beryl...
[14:05] <firecrotch> Jack111:  Are you using compiz fusion?
[14:05] <Lynoure> ciacon: just ask? If they can help, they will.
[14:06] <osman47> !de
[14:06] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[14:07]  * genii sips
[14:08] <ciacon> I heart to play tremulous - the is a slight snag to it though.. I had to reinstalll my sys the other day and kept my home-dir in tact.. the Q is, where I used to have 90fps+ I am now seemingly everywhere hard-limited to 60 - even "glxgears -info" runs @ 60. +-0.5 fps.. that's a bit odd... where does this limit come from?
[14:08] <emilsedgh> !dvd
[14:08] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[14:10] <Jack111> firecrotch, no, kdm is my window manager?what is that?
[14:10] <ciacon> Lynoure: any hints?
[14:11] <firecrotch> Jack111:  compiz is a replacement for kwin that is full of effects and other options.  http://compiz.org for more info.
[14:12] <firecrotch> Jack111:  I'm not sure how your problem would be solved in kwin
[14:12] <The_Machine> firefox update killed my "Downloads" window.  I'm getting:  XML Parsing Error: not well-formed Location: chrome://mozapps/content/downloads/downloads.xul
[14:12] <The_Machine> Line Number 1, Column 13:ompter.alert(window, title, text);
[14:12] <The_Machine> ------------^
[14:12] <The_Machine> It's also happening when i try to open up the "Add Ons" window
[14:13] <firecrotch> The_Machine: I'm pretty sure that if you just delete that file, it'll be automatically regenerated the next time you open FF
[14:14] <firecrotch> The_Machine: I'd change the file name instead of deleting just in case
[14:15] <myndbreaker> The_Machine:  Same here, only my FF crashes completely when i try to open prefernces, add-ons, downloads......
[14:15] <Jack111> firecrotch synaptic show me i have the version 0.6 already installed should i rather use that version ? and how would i start using it?
[14:15] <The_Machine> i will try that now, firecrotch
[14:15] <The_Machine> haha
[14:16] <myndbreaker> i disabeld/uninstalled some add ons i could spare (unused themes, etc.) and now it works a ltittle better, if nothing else helps, try that
[14:16] <The_Machine> actually
[14:17] <The_Machine> i reinstalled
[14:17] <The_Machine> and it is fine now
[14:17] <The_Machine> (via adept)
[14:17] <The_Machine> and removed firefox gnome support
[14:17] <The_Machine> which i saw was installed as well
[14:17] <Jack111> firecrotch: i have compiz 0.6.2 from the gutsy repos, is this the right one?
[14:17]  * The_Machine didn't get a chance to delete that file
[14:18] <firecrotch> Jack111:  yup
[14:18] <myndbreaker> The_Machine: reinstall? i thought i'd have that left behind, when i came from redmond....
[14:18] <myndbreaker> *scnr*
[14:19] <Jack111> firecrotch: how do i replace kwin with compiz then?
[14:19] <The_Machine> myndbreaker, it fixed it...
[14:19] <The_Machine> :)
[14:19] <The_Machine> it only broke after an 'update'
[14:19] <myndbreaker> The_Machine: yeah but this is so windows and not Linux....
[14:19] <The_Machine> you can say you left 'updates' behind when you left redmond too
[14:19] <The_Machine> myndbreaker, how long have you been using linux?
[14:19] <The_Machine> ;)
[14:20] <myndbreaker> nah, just switched from debian to kubuntu, and itś really nice, but the bugs....
[14:20] <The_Machine> they have different purposes.
[14:20] <firecrotch> myndbreaker:  if you need a more stable system, then debian is probably the way to go then
[14:20] <The_Machine> debian is a stable release, *buntu is going to have bugs
[14:20] <myndbreaker> iḿ using linux for 6 years, in the beginning SuSE and then debian...
[14:20] <The_Machine> by its very nature
[14:20] <The_Machine> :P
[14:21] <myndbreaker> yeah i know, but i thought it to be a bit more stable
[14:21] <The_Machine> that's whats wonderful about linux - you have options.
[14:21] <The_Machine> this is actually the first bug i've run into
[14:21] <The_Machine> on this release
[14:21] <The_Machine> i'm sure there are more, just saying
[14:22] <myndbreaker> i obnly switched from debian, when i installed lenny (debian testing) to get thunderbird 2 and teh first thing when firing up thunderbird was a notice that enigmail is only supported in thunderbird 2+
[14:22] <myndbreaker> so i got kubuntu and installed it and i must say itś really nice for a desktop machine...
[14:23] <myndbreaker> for a server i would go definitely for stability!
[14:23] <The_Machine> aye
[14:23] <myndbreaker> but kubuntu looks really nice to me, 2 days and i have everything as i like...
[14:24] <myndbreaker> btw. is there any guide how to switch from debian to kubuntu without reinstalling? i want to keep my old sys...
[14:25] <Jack111> firecrotch: i find only how tos for gnome how to make compzi the default window manager,hows this for kde?
[14:25] <bucatoamano> anyone knows how to save settings i can t image where i must write readsetting for a simple lineedit
[14:26] <bucatoamano> i mean kommander
[14:26] <myndbreaker> Jack111: afaik compiz is already the default display manager....
[14:27] <firecrotch> Jack111: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion#head-f4aed4bfe7729780222e161618770913c6859869
[14:27] <myndbreaker> you can creaet a kde startup item with compiz --replace and emerald --replace in it...
[14:27] <Jack111> i enable now the snapping options but i still have to use the mouse to arrange the windows beside each other  for them to use half the desktop space each
[14:28] <Jack111> firecrotch:  thanks
[14:37] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:37] <sigma> anyone tried out kde4 rc1 yet?
[14:37] <Lynoure> sigma: yes, but I have not yet. Maybe today.
[14:38] <tubular> can anyone help me with a networking issue? DNS is broken, but all other networking works. It only happens after I have both wireless and wired up at the same time, and I have to bring the wired interface down and up again to fix it
[14:39] <kde4> stdin: is the rc1 repo's going to be updated
[14:39] <stdin> kde4: updated to what?
[14:39] <sigma> dam i didnt know there was a kubuntu kde4 live cd, i had to dload the opensuse one, its so dam crappy!
[14:39] <stdin> sigma: it was only created yesterday
[14:39] <firecrotch> sigma:  well, it's opensuse, what do you expect? :P
[14:39] <kde4> well updated when new fixes are in stdin
[14:40] <sigma> stdin: i finally got compiz installed, looks a bit outa place in kde
[14:40] <Lynoure> it's a rc1, what would you expect...
[14:40] <stdin> kde4: the next kde4 release will be the 4.0 release
[14:40] <kde4> and not rc10 orso
[14:40] <stdin> nope, http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule
[14:41] <sigma> what is the deal with opensuse anyway? i heard mark shuttleworth was crapping all over them about something they did with the company from redmond
[14:41] <stdin> rc1 then 4l0 release
[14:41] <stdin> r*4.0
[14:41] <stdin> sigma: that'd be suse, not open suse, and that's -offtopic anyway
[14:42] <sigma> i see
[14:42] <firecrotch> stdin: novell still has their hands in opensuse though
[14:43] <bazhang> still offtopic :}
[14:43] <sigma> stdin: is there any way to force wine to look like kde?
[14:44] <stdin> no
[14:45] <sigma> the closest i got was using a ubuntu theme that i found, the fonts are so small though
[14:45] <pteague_work> anybody know if there's a way to get update-manager to be the default rather than adept?
[14:45] <stdin> use gnome/ubuntu rather than kde/kubuntu ?
[14:46] <stdin> adept_manager autostarts in kde, update-manager autostarts in gnome
[14:47] <kde4> well i thought they are working on wine, apps looking more linux (kde/gnome) like sigma stdin
[14:47] <pteague_work> i prefer kde over gnome... just that it seems there are certain things in kde that could use work
[14:47] <stdin> kde4: ask them in #winehq I generally never use wine so...
[14:49] <stdin> pteague_work: you should be able to just start update-manager (via alt-f2) and as long as you don't close it it'll autostart. I think you can make adept_manage quit permanently too but I don't have the icon here to check (just updated)
[14:55] <bsm> hi, I'm running on an external monitor. when I close the laptop lid, powertop reports about 500wakeups/sec. I'm on AC, but that should not happen. i replaced the /etc/acpi/lid.sh script with an empty one to prevent the laptop from shutting down when i close the lid-
[14:55] <Arkard> Hi to everyone
[14:56] <dny> hi! i have got a problem executing a java application. seems to be a libcairo bug. so i want to try another java runtime. how can i install it? i cannot find other jre packages...
[14:56] <Arkard> i need some help, i just update to 7.10, and i was installing Java but i dont know where is the /mozilla/plugins directory, is suppose to be in /usr/lib but is not there, can anybody help me?
[14:58] <Arkard> no problem, i found it, but thanks for your attention
[14:59] <sigma> does anyone know if the mpowerplayer java app works on kubuntu?
[15:13] <fabricio> is there anyone ho can help me with the VIA CHrome9 driver in Kubuntu ?
[15:14] <fulat2k> hi folks, i just did a dist-upgrade and it fetched kde4 package but got the following: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46003/
[15:14] <fulat2k> any ideas?
[15:15] <bazhang> fulat2k: broken?
[15:16] <fulat2k> bazhang: uh... i guess so
[15:16] <bazhang> fulat2k: you should see !kde4broken iirc
[15:17] <fulat2k> !kde4broken
[15:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde4broken - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:17] <stdin> other way round
[15:17] <stdin> !brokenkde4
[15:17] <ubotu> If you're trying to install KDE4 RC1 but getting errors about dependencies or files being overwritten, make sure you remove ALL of the KDE4 beta packages first. Try this in a !terminal: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime »
[15:17] <bazhang> thanks stdin!
[15:21] <Adriana-F> I need some help with a laptop audio issue I'm having, my laptops speakers don't cut out when I plug my headphones in and albeit I found a solution to the problem I keep getting make errors http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m1dbb43dc
[15:24] <fabricio> is there anyone ho can help me with the VIA CHrome9 driver in Kubuntu ?
[15:24] <fabricio> is there anyone ho can help me with the VIA CHrome9 driver in Kubuntu ?
[15:24] <bazhang> fabricio: if you don't get an answer ubuntuforums.org might have one in the meantime
[15:26] <Adriana-F> I need some help with a laptop audio issue I'm having, my laptops speakers don't cut out when I plug my headphones in and albeit I found a solution to the problem I keep getting make errors http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m1dbb43dc
[15:26] <Lynoure> fabricio: usually what urges people to answer is asking a question specific to your problem. That way even people who don't know CHrome9 but are familiar with other similar trouble might be able to help you
[15:27] <fabricio> bazhang: thanks a lot
[15:27] <Lynoure> Adriana-F: do you have jack sense on in alsamixer?
[15:28] <fabricio> Lynoure: thank you for the attention. the problem is with the driver... it works only with vesa driver
[15:28] <Adriana-F> I can't see any options like that but the sound issue is specific to my model of laptop
[15:29] <Adriana-F> this is the post I went by for fixing it but there doesn't seem to be a mention of any issues so dunno http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=473422&highlight=laptop+audio+toshiba&page=3
[15:30] <Lynoure> Adriana-F: `/usr/bin/alsamixer and then scroll right until you hit Headphone Jack Sense and unmute
[15:30] <Adriana-F> the problems not with the sound not working but the laptops speakers not muting when I plug my headphones in
[15:31] <Lynoure> Adriana-F: yes.
[15:31] <Lynoure> Adriana-F: and that setting does that
[15:32] <Lynoure> Adriana-F: But if you have tried and it did not help, ok.
[15:34] <Lynoure> Adriana-F: just don't dismiss it without trying :)
[15:34] <Adriana-F> is that wil opening the cli alsamixer?
[15:37] <Lynoure> Adriana-F: yes. alsamixer might work too, on its own
[15:37] <Lynoure> (but I'm not on kubuntu at the moment, cannot check)
[15:38] <Adriana-F> I tried typing alsamixer in lastnight but that fox didn't work, there was no volume bar for the headphones only the front and pcm and the front muted the sound all together....I'm not on Kubuntu either I just couldn't get a respons on the ubuntu channel
[15:38] <Adriana-F> fix*
[15:40] <Lynoure> Adriana-F: if you are on ubuntu, it works just the same...
[15:41] <Lynoure> Adriana-F: But, yeah, I won't push trying it at you, but I won't try to help you further before that =)
[15:41] <Adriana-F> yea however Ive tried the alsamixer from cli to no avail lastnight :(
[15:41] <Lynoure> Adriana-F: it's not alsamixer alone that helps, one needs to unmute the Headphone Jack Sense.
[15:44] <Adriana-F> I just used that directory you gave me and again it's the same thing I was in lastnight and there isn't anything in there that mentions jacksense, unless your meaning for me to open alsamixers in an editor that is
[15:45] <Lynoure> Adriana-F: run the command   alsamixer
[15:45] <Lynoure> Adriana-F: scroll right until you come to Headphone Jack Sense, then press m to toggle the mute off
[15:46] <JackWinter> hiya, i'm run kubuntu on a samsung x20 laptop.  should run at 1.6 ghz, but power manager shows me 1067 MHz even when i configure it for performance?
[15:47] <Adriana-F> thats what Ive done if it's on it should have a 00 at the bottom and a sound bar right? if so hitting m just makes it say mm and headphone off
[15:52] <hydrogen> so uhh
[15:52] <hydrogen> why exactly does kubuntu still continue to use the horrible thing that is arts
[15:53] <combinio> how to extract *.7z file ??
[15:53] <combinio> it is written that i need some 7zr ?!
[15:53] <rgreening> 7-zip
[15:53] <combinio> ( i'm using ARK )
[15:53] <Adriana-F> yea the fix isn't doing anything, I found a fix on the ubuntu forum the only problem I'm having is that damn make error
[15:54] <combinio> rgreening: couldn't find such package (sudo apt-get install 7-zip) ? :/
[15:54] <BluesKaj> JackWinter, that's cuz kubuntu uses a power saving utility that only increases cpu speeds if required on demand...check the cpufrequtils pkg
[15:55] <rgreening> combino... look in Adept Manager and filteron ZIP
[15:55] <rgreening> there are a few programs with a description that says they deal with .7z or 7-zip files
[15:55] <rgreening> p7zip for example
[15:56] <combinio> rgreening: thanks a lot :))
[15:56] <rgreening> np
[15:56] <combinio> ( all works now :D )
[15:56] <rgreening> :)
[15:57] <Lynoure> Adriana-F: 00 is right, yes.
[15:57] <stdin> hydrogen: because kde uses it
[15:58] <hydrogen> stdin: no, kde can use it.. sometimes.. if it doesn't hang.. or not work.. or cause the system to mess up.. or make ones computer explode
[15:58] <hydrogen> all of those are more likely
[15:58] <Adriana-F> the issue either way can't be solved with that solution, which is why I scowered through posts on ubuntu forum for the fix I did find the only problem is the make error I'm encountering with it
[15:58] <hydrogen> !arts
[15:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about arts - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:58] <hydrogen> !artsd
[15:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about artsd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:58] <hydrogen> is there a way to stop it from working?
[15:59] <stdin> hydrogen: by default kde (well, kde apps) uses arts, some apps can be build without arts support but not all
[15:59] <hydrogen> no, all apps can
[15:59] <hydrogen> all apps that have been updated since 3.5 can
[15:59] <hydrogen> at least
[16:00] <hydrogen> because arts has been horrible for at least that long
[16:00] <stdin> some apps can't, I've compiled a couple that needed arts (they were obscure)
[16:00] <stdin> I know arts is horrible
[16:00] <hydrogen> right
[16:00] <hydrogen> I don't care about them
[16:00] <hydrogen> I want to get rid of arts
[16:00] <stdin> that's why it's being scrapped
[16:00] <hydrogen> so it stops breaking my system
[16:00] <hydrogen> and I can continue to be able to start amarok2
[16:00] <hydrogen> so I can work on it
[16:00] <rgreening> Actually, using Gentoo, I had completely disabled Arts and had a working system
[16:00] <hydrogen> artsd consistantly stops me from doing it
[16:01] <BluesKaj> hydrogen, what are you trying to do that arts prevents ?
[16:01] <hydrogen> BluesKaj: run sound under two different users at once
[16:02] <stdin> hydrogen: try disabling the sound system in system settings, maybe it'll default to alsa
[16:02] <Adriana-F> the new alsa Ive downloaded is supposed to fix the issue with my laptop model however I keep getting a make error and I need to know why, my laptop is a Toshiba A200 AH6
[16:02] <BluesKaj> stdin, the default is auto detect :/
[16:03]  * hydrogen uninstalls libarts
[16:03] <hydrogen> lets see what happens
[16:03] <hydrogen> it can't be any worse
[16:03] <BluesKaj> hehe
[16:03] <stdin> BluesKaj: no, disable it. not change the default
[16:03] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:03] <BluesKaj> gotcha stdin
[16:03] <hydrogen> okay
[16:03] <hydrogen> thats even worse
[16:04] <hydrogen> apparently it /can/ get worse
[16:04] <hydrogen> I remove libarts
[16:04] <hydrogen> and kubuntu is nice enough to assume that what I really want is to remove every package in kde
[16:04] <hydrogen> now _thats_ smart!
[16:06] <rgreening> If a package is compiled with arts, removing libarts WILL require removal of KDE apps. Thats how deps work
[16:07] <rgreening> THe apps have to be compiled with "optional" arts or remove arts altogether. not sure if arts can be optional, so likely removal at compile time is required when packages are built
[16:07] <Adriana-F> can anyone else perhaps tell me what this error is coming from so I may be able to get my audio issue resolved today -_- http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m1dbb43dc
[16:08] <stdin> nice, I _can_ play sound from 2 users at once with arts :)
[16:08] <JackWinter> believe me blueskaj, the cpu was pegged to the ceiling for a couple of hours ;-)  i'll check out the utils you reccomended.  thanks!
[16:08]  * genii puts on a new pot of coffee
[16:08] <hydrogen> I can sometimes stdin
[16:08] <hydrogen> but then it likes to hang
[16:09] <hydrogen> when I want to play sound with an app not using arts
[16:09] <LinuxApe> Can someone tell me how to have a program run at startup?  It's for dynamic dns.
[16:09] <stdin> JackWinter: seems to be an error in the code, ask in #alsa
[16:09] <firecrotch> LinuxApe:  Make a symlink to it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[16:10] <stdin> LinuxApe: there are several packages for dynamic dns services
[16:10] <stdin> !info ipcheck
[16:10] <ubotu> ipcheck: Dyndns.org client to register your dynamic IP address. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.233-1 (gutsy), package size 44 kB, installed size 260 kB
[16:10] <genii> !info ez-ipupdate
[16:10] <ubotu> ez-ipupdate: client for most dynamic DNS services. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0.11b8-13 (gutsy), package size 57 kB, installed size 292 kB
[16:10] <stdin> !info ddclient
[16:10] <ubotu> ddclient: Update dynamic IP address at DynDNS.com. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.7.3-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 50 kB, installed size 308 kB
[16:11] <genii> etc
[16:11] <stdin> always good to check for packages before installing random software from the interwebs
[16:12] <LinuxApe> firecrotch: I don't want to have to login to start the app.
[16:12] <LinuxApe> stdin: I have the inadyn.pl script, but I don't see where I can have it start automatically on system reboot.
[16:13] <stdin> LinuxApe: add the command to /etc/rc.local to have it run at the end of the boot sequence (runs as root)
[16:14] <LinuxApe> stdin:  Thanks.  That works for me.
[16:14] <stdin> remember to give the full path to the script if it's no in the default $PATH too
[16:14] <LinuxApe> thanks
[16:14] <fibonacci> Hi all, just wondering what you think of Dolphin ?
[16:14] <Lynoure> fibonacci: I don't like it, but luckily I can keep using konqueror
[16:15] <stdin> works fine...
[16:15] <fibonacci> Lynoure: I agree
[16:15] <Adriana-F> no luck so far, doesn't appear to be anyone on in the alsa channel
[16:15] <stdin> there are about 80 users in there, just wait a while for a response
[16:15] <BluesKaj> <--not a dolphin fan in any area , except for the mammal itself :)
[16:16] <fibonacci> I'm so use to the tree view of Konqueror, that I can't get my head around Dolphin, and it get's to me that the "system menu" opens Dolphin.
[16:17] <LinuxApe> Dolphin's okay, but I don't  like the wasted space on the right with the large icon.
[16:17] <fibonacci> And there was a lot of hype around how easy it was going to be for "broadcom" users with 7.10, but it looks to me like they are using bcm43xx fwcutter, and this only runs at 11bmps ?
[16:17] <stdin> Adriana-F: have a look at the alsa website for other support links http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page
[16:17] <genii> bah. Need to replace flaky nic
[16:17] <fibonacci> I'm still using ndiswrapper
[16:17] <genii> bbl
[16:18] <BluesKaj> fibonacci, open a folder/properties/edit file type (wrench icon) and move konqueror to the top
[16:18] <stdin> we have a factoid for that...
[16:18] <stdin> !dolphin
[16:18] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[16:18] <Adriana-F> stdin: Ive already done that and have the driver I need the problem is I keep getting a make error (and having to repeat that fact)
[16:19] <fibonacci> ubotu: Thanks !
[16:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thanks ! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:19] <stdin> Adriana-F: so you've sent an email to the alsa mailinglist ?
[16:20] <fibonacci> Sweet, done !
[16:20] <fibonacci> But still need to compile ndiswrapper with windows driver ;(
[16:20] <stdin> fibonacci: compile ndiswrapper?
[16:20] <stdin> why not use the packages?
[16:21] <fibonacci> That didn't work in 7.04, never tried it in 7.10. The "restricted driver manager" only uses bcm43xx fwcutter no ?
[16:21] <stdin> yeah, but ndiswrapper is in the repos so no need to compile it
[16:22] <fibonacci> Ok, I've always compiled it myself, as I never got it working otherwise. Anyways I'm really happy with my KDE desktop, the only thing I miss from Windowze is Office performance.
[16:23] <LinuxApe> Another question:  can someone tell me why virtual terminal 8 <ctrl><alt>F8 is the output from booting?  When I add new sessions they start at vt9?
[16:29] <Dragonath> don't you mean ctrl-alt-f6 is booting output?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> LinuxApe, maybe it defaults vt9 cuz you have 7 or more sessions on the go
[16:46] <ThusLex> hello?
[16:47] <Dr_willis> Mello! :)
[16:49] <BluesKaj> Yello ! :>)
[16:50] <inox> Hola
[16:54] <ThusLex> can someone help me? I have a usb key and have downloaded ubuntu but its in a .iso format
[16:55] <ThusLex> how do i put it on my usb key (simply drag and drop) and how do i get my computer to run off my usb key when it starts up
[16:57] <BluesKaj> ThusLex, if you can change the boot sequence to boot from the USB drive first ...usually in the BIOS ...there are other ways I'm sure but that's the only one i know
[16:58] <ThusLex> to get the bios screen up?..
[16:58] <ThusLex> isnt it pressing one of the F buttons as it loads right?
[16:58] <BluesKaj> ThusLex, no cds ?...burn to cd and run it live
[16:59] <BluesKaj> yes , usually F1 or F2
[17:00] <ThusLex> no cds blues
[17:00] <ThusLex> i bought a usb key cos i thought if i have linux on it, any changes i made in linux will be saved into the usb key
[17:01] <ThusLex> whereas if i did it on a cd, changes wont be kept when i close linux...
[17:01] <BluesKaj> bummer , let's hope you can boot from the USB
[17:02] <Mekzholan> using 7.10 I've got the problem that GIMP doesn't know my printer... (KDE does, of course) Where can I look for a setup hint?
[17:02] <BluesKaj> ThusLex, dunno about changes being saved ...it may work.
[17:03] <JackWinter> where do i tell kde which soundcard to use?
[17:03] <JackWinter> or not use any at all...
[17:05] <supernothing> hi
[17:05] <supernothing> hello?
[17:06] <BluesKaj> JackWinter, in the terminal : cat /proc/asound/cards
[17:06] <supernothing> does anyone know how to configure knetworkmanager to disconnect when the laptop lid is closed
[17:06] <BluesKaj> JackWinter, then to set the default soundcard : sudo asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[17:06] <ThusLex> is that right?
[17:07] <BluesKaj> ThusLex, what's right ?
[17:08] <JackWinter> thanks BluesKaj!
[17:08] <BluesKaj> JackWinter, YW :)
[17:10] <ThusLex> BluesKaj, how would i put the .iso onto the usb key?
[17:10] <ThusLex> any speical programs u suggest?
[17:10] <spcKDE> how do i unmout sth?:D
[17:12] <BluesKaj> Thuslex, sorry dunno ...copy and paste ? ...I'm pretty sure the image file will boot
[17:20] <illissius> I got a new hdd (attached w/ usb for now) and copied everything over from the old one -- when trying to boot from it, everything works fine, except kdm won't log me in no matter what I do (screen flashes different shades of black a few times, then comes back to kdm -- as if X were crashing or something), and I have no idea why
[17:20] <illissius> does anyone else?
[17:21] <illissius> I grepped /var/log/Xorg.0.log for EE (errors), and switching to vesa with AIGLX off got rid of all of them, but it still didn't work
[17:23] <yuriy> illissius: how did you copy everything over?
[17:23] <illissius> cp -R --preserve=all
[17:24] <illissius> and it comes up perfectly up to kdm, just logging in once there doesn't work.
[17:24] <yuriy> hmm so shouldn't be permissions then
[17:25] <illissius> my thoughts also
[17:25] <yuriy> illissius: anyway, try moving your .kde directory and see if it works
[17:25] <illissius> I suspect it might be some PAM idiocy, but only because PAM tends to be idiotic and I don't understand it
[17:25] <illissius> yuriy: I think that's beyond the point where it's failing
[17:26] <illissius> e.g. it does the same even if I choose Failsafe as session
[17:26] <yuriy> k, just tends to be something to try
[17:26] <yuriy> oh
[17:28] <illissius> could the fact that it's booting from USB and not the main drive be making any sort of difference?
[17:29] <vbgunz> I don't get the update notification! another account on the system does but I do not. my account was the first original account on here and I use to always get them. I do not get them anymore. how do I get them back? I checked adept and I should be getting notified about updates daily... so why not?
[17:33] <vbgunz> yeah, I am not hiding the icon in the system tray. I just checked apt-get upgrade and have 5 upgrades waiting *but* no icon in the tray notifying me :(
[17:37] <BluesKaj> !adept-notifier
[17:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept-notifier - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:41] <BluesKaj> !adept-updater
[17:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept-updater - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:41] <BluesKaj> !adept-update
[17:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept-update - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:41] <Nightwarrior> Adapt manager says i am already running the adept manager but I am not how to fix?
[17:42] <BluesKaj> close the terminal , if open
[17:42] <Nightwarrior> it is closed..
[17:42] <BluesKaj> Nightwarrior, sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[17:43] <Nightwarrior> I will try. I am new with linux :p wanna use it as main system I think since vista crashes hell a lot
[17:43] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix | Nightwarrior
[17:43] <ubotu> Nightwarrior: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[17:45] <warng> moin
[17:49] <Nightwarrior> now adept manager isn't starting at all
[17:52] <venik> Is there a Thunderbird channel?
[17:52] <venik> or help with Thunderbird here?
[17:52] <venik> some messages open up as blank, although under WINDOWS the same messages open up just fine with TB
[17:53] <jthomas> g'day.  Is there a 'sudo apt-get install ____" which automatically sets up the Medibuntu repos on a fresh install of *buntu?
[17:54] <venik> oh well....
[17:57] <ThusLex> meh
[17:57] <ThusLex> i cant put anythin on my usb key now :(:(
[17:59] <BluesKaj> Nightwarrior, relogin
[18:00] <BluesKaj> ThusLex, ??
[18:00] <ThusLex> it starts loading it on then in about 1 min later it comes up that there is a problem with the path or something
[18:01] <_Shade_> how can i make an iso image from the cd?
[18:03] <stdin> _Shade_: open k3b, Tools > Copy CD
[18:05] <_Shade_> stdin: oh that was easy :). Ok where does k3b store the images by default?
[18:06] <stdin> _Shade_: where ever you told it to
[18:06] <Dr_willis> or use 'dd if=/dev/cdrom of=whatevercopy.iso'
[18:06] <orlandoj> someone can help to configure the Samba server on Kubuntu ?
[18:06] <Dr_willis> orlandoj,  got a more specific question about it? :)
[18:06] <Dr_willis> There is a kde front end to configureing it. But im not sure if its installed by default
[18:07] <stdin> _Shade_: try /tmp/kde-$USER/ if you didn't tell it where
[18:07] <_Shade_> ok thanks
[18:07] <_Shade_> one more question
[18:08] <_Shade_> can i enable the address bar (path) in dolphin as it is in konqueror?
[18:09] <stdin> _Shade_: click the little edit button by the address (white horizontal bar with a black vertical bar in it), or press Ctrl+L
[18:09] <orlandoj> I need an model of smb.conf to do my Samba run like PDC on Kubuntu
[18:09] <Dr_willis> orlandoj,  you may want to check out that 'using samba' book thats in the samba-doc package
[18:09] <_Shade_> it was very convenient to quickly switch between several locations, but now there's dolphin.... should be called dolphinus or such since it's nearly the same as nautilus :)
[18:10] <Dr_willis> _Shade_,  wait for the actual dolphin thats in kde4
[18:10] <Dr_willis> :)
[18:10] <Dr_willis> !dolphin
[18:10] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[18:11] <_Shade_> Dr_willis: i did a recent build few hours ago but it's all the same - i mean gnooooooooooomish :)
[18:11] <Dr_willis> The kde4 live cd i tested the other day seemed a lot different with dolphin. But it may of been suse specific changes..
[18:12] <_Shade_> i have no idea then... well there's a lot to improve anyways
[18:12] <_Shade_> it's too early for rc by the way
[18:13] <stdin> complaints to #kde4-devel (if you're brave enough)
[18:15] <_Shade_> stdin: well i reported few things already :)
[18:16] <stdin> yeah, go in there and say "it's too early for rc", see what happens ;)
[18:16] <SSJ_GZ> Hint: WW3 ::)
[18:17] <Dr_willis> Tell them 'You need to make kde more like gnome' :P
[18:17] <_Shade_> stdin: well they will certainly cancel the release candidate and rename it to beta one :)
[18:18] <Dr_willis> RCBeta1
[18:18] <_Shade_> Dr_willis: i don't need it, i don't like gnome :P
[18:18] <stdin> sure, that or Sho_ will feel the need to write a novel about how you're wrong and KDE is right (which they always are)
[18:19] <stdin> (and Sho_ does write quite elequent responses to these things)
[18:19] <_Shade_> like...?
[18:20] <ThusLex> meh :(
[18:20] <ThusLex> it keeps coming up theres an error when i put ubuntu on my usb key :(
[18:22] <Dr_willis> I recall some tweaks were needed to get ubuntu booting off a usb device . But not sure if gutsy fixed anything of those or not.
[18:22] <Dr_willis> I havent tried it. :)
[18:22] <stdin> _Shade_: like http://stdin.pastebin.com/d7a6d7b50
[18:23] <ThusLex> well so far i cant even get ubuntu onto my usb let alone get it to boot
[18:25] <_Shade_> stdin: well looks promising :)
[18:26] <_Shade_> maybe it's worth to wait a bit? :)
[18:27] <stdin> don't expect it to be what most people think of "ready" until 4.1
[18:27] <hdevalence> how do I set the amount of space reserved for root on an ext3 filesystem?
[18:28] <hdevalence> s/set/change/
[18:28] <_Shade_> so will be 4.0 a whole big beta for real?
[18:28] <stdin> hdevalence: see "man tune2fs" and the -m option
[18:29] <ramu> are hear any kubuntu users?
[18:29] <ramu> thet cant run mp3
[18:29] <ramu> plz hlp
[18:29] <stdin> _Shade_: it'll mean that it's ready for general use, and doesn't crash quite so much
[18:29] <stdin> !mp3 | ramu
[18:29] <Dr_willis> hdevalence,  you can use the tune2fs command to set the 'reserved' space
[18:29] <ubotu> ramu: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:29] <ramu> thnz
[18:29] <ramu> !mp3
[18:29] <stdin> ramu: see the links ubotu posted
[18:30] <Dr_willis> ramu,  for a start install the 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' package
[18:30] <stdin> (if you're on gutsy)
[18:30] <hdevalence> by the way, is ext3 the /exact/ same filesystem as ext2, but with a journal?
[18:30] <ramu> sorry for asking , whats gutsy :/
[18:30] <Dr_willis> hdevalence,  basicially.
[18:31] <hdevalence> gutsy = codname for kubuntu 7.10\
[18:31] <stdin> ramu: Kubuntu version 7.10
[18:31] <Dr_willis> hdevalence,  a ext2 only system can mount a ext3 filesystem as ext2
[18:31] <_Shade_> stdin: ah i see... well let's hope they will release 4.1 soon :) or maybe even 4.2, 4.3 :)
[18:31] <ramu> ya kubuntu 7.10
[18:33] <stdin> ramu: then open adept and install the package
[18:33] <stdin> 'kubuntu-restricted-extras'
[18:33] <ramu> E: Couldn't find package ubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:33] <hdevalence> so running tune2fs -m 1 /dev/sdb1 would set 1% reserved space?
[18:34] <stdin> ramu: in adept go to Adept -> Manage Repositories  and make sure all the boxes are checked, then install 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' (not ubuntu-restricted-extras)
[18:35] <Dr_willis> hdevalence,  somthing like that.
[18:35] <Dr_willis> hdevalence,  i always do somthing like that on my new  hds  i dont suggest going to 0% :)
[18:36] <hdevalence> Dr_willis: in this case it's a 500gb sata external, and 25gb seemed a bit excessive
[18:36] <Dr_willis> Yep.
[18:38] <jonrysh> How can I find out which package contains a particular file.  In particular /usr/bin/gnome-font-properties ?
[18:38] <davide> italiano?
[18:38] <Tm_T> !it | davide
[18:38] <ubotu> davide: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[18:39] <ramu> there are no kubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:39] <ramu> :(
[18:40] <davide> volevo sapere come potevo utilizzare su kubunto e dove posso trovare i file che si trovano sulla partizione windows
[18:40] <stdin> ramu: what does the command "lsb_release -sc" show ?
[18:41] <stdin> !it | davide
[18:41] <ubotu> davide: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[18:41] <ramu> gutsy
[18:41] <ramu> in konsole
[18:42] <vbgunz> hmm... all other accounts have adept_notifier running except for mine... how do I get mines running?
[18:42] <hdevalence> since you enables the other repos , maybe you need to run apt-get update again?
[18:42] <hdevalence> err put a sudo in front of that
[18:42] <ramu> and amarok ses it's instaling, plz restart amarok
[18:43] <ramu> i restart and it asks again instal plugins o rnot?
[18:43] <ramu> instal, and  after restart it's again
[18:43] <ramu> :(
[18:43] <stdin> ramu: if you've enabled the sources, then the package kubuntu-restricted-extras does exist. that will install mp3 support and a number of other things
[18:44] <stdin> vbgunz: press alt+f2 and type in "adept_notifier"
[18:45] <ramu> so how to enable?
[18:45] <ramu> put on x on other tuweblink lines?
[18:45] <stdin> ramu: in adept go to Adept -> Manage Repositories  and make sure all the boxes are checked
[18:47] <naelr> does anyone know if is there an ubuntu kernel irc channel?
[18:48] <naelr> I am using text irc remotely from work and I don't know how to do a channel search
[18:48] <stdin> naelr: #ubuntu-kernel
[18:48] <stdin> we have simple names :)
[18:48] <naelr> stdin: thanks!
[18:48] <naelr> hehe
[18:49] <ramu> now its instaling
[18:49] <ramu> thx
[18:49] <ramu> an video will goto?
[18:49] <ramu> ar need ather plugins?
[18:50] <stdin> it should install most codecs
[18:50] <ramu> mp runs :)
[18:50] <ramu> mp3*
[18:51] <ramu> thnx
[18:51] <ramu> :)
[18:51] <vbgunz> stdin: ok. my problem is, the system has updates. they never show on my account but on others without a problem. when I ran Alt+F2 adept_notifier, I got the tray alert for updates... why is this not starting up with the system? I would never say no to such a config so how do i get back without having to Alt+F2 to do it?
[18:51] <vbgunz> stdin: forget it
[18:52] <ramu> ant there are any ways to run autocad or mathkadd?
[18:52] <stdin> vbgunz: should autostart from now on
[18:52] <vbgunz> stdin: i got a dialog asking if I wanted to have it automatically started up. I chose yes and not to ask again
[18:52] <vbgunz> good. I feel good. thanks :)
[18:53] <ramu> uh
[18:53] <ramu> i have one more question
[18:53] <ramu> when i used windovs and ubuntu 7.4
[18:54] <ramu> sometimes boot menu didnt start
[18:54] <ramu> if it hapens
[18:55] <ramu> there is a way to renew it?
[18:57] <mike-kubuntu> my internet keeps dyeing guys
[18:57] <Dr_willis> ramu,  you mean the grubmenu  failed to show up some times?
[18:58] <mike-kubuntu> i know its not the provider because only the kubuntu computer stops getting a connection
[18:59] <ramu> um.... menu the lets to chose ubuntu....., ubuntu (....),other system,Windows xp
[18:59] <ramu> this menu
[18:59] <alfredo> here all are anglo?
[18:59] <ramu> like when inserting non bootble flash
[19:00] <ramu> reanstal ubuntu and it works fo some time
[19:01] <ramu> there are other wais to make that menu?
[19:12] <ramu> how to install firefox? downloaded and extracted
[19:13] <ramu> there are bunch of files
[19:13] <ramu> and what to do? :D
[19:14] <ThusLex> u can get firefox for ubuntu?
[19:15] <vbgunz> when you press Ctrl+Alt+F6 through F12, what is that called? those aren't desktops or workspaces. what are they?
[19:16] <genii> consoles
[19:16] <vbgunz> genii: really?
[19:16] <genii> vbgunz: Yes
[19:16] <vbgunz> F6 through 12 don't look like consoles :)
[19:17] <vbgunz> cool, I guess thats better than what I had in mind
[19:17] <genii> They are all consoles
[19:17] <runlevelten> !k3b
[19:17] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[19:17] <vbgunz> thanks :)
[19:17] <runlevelten> anyone know what's with the inability to copy cds in k3b?
[19:17] <runlevelten>  ie read error 16, failed to get exclusive use of the drive allegedly
[19:18] <runlevelten> just a teeny tiny bit of a shame to spend your only day off in ages fixing such a problem tbh.
[19:19] <genii> runlevelten: Is it prompting you to swap cds from original to blank etc etc?
[19:20] <federico_> hello
[19:20] <runlevelten> Nah, I'm just trying to write it to a clone iso
[19:20] <vbgunz> when you start up a kubuntu system and you're looking at the login username/password. what is that called? is it the KDM login manager?
[19:21] <federico_> I don't know the kubuntu system
[19:21] <SSJ_GZ> vbgunz: Yes :)
[19:21] <runlevelten> genii: It's getting the device, and I can write the other kind of iso
[19:21] <ardchoille> federico_: What is your question?
[19:21] <federico_> hello jean peter
[19:21] <vbgunz> SSJ_GZ: thanks :)
[19:21] <SSJ_GZ> vbgunz: np :)
[19:21] <Jay-Pee> hello ^
[19:21] <runlevelten> well, it knows the device, it's not "getting" it really, heh
[19:22] <genii> vbgunz: Yes, login screen is KDE Display Manager (KDM)
[19:22] <federico_> i don' speak english
[19:22] <linenoise> I'm using konsole and I want to know what the hotkey is to go to a particular tab.  Under firefox it's alt+tabNumber, so if I wanted the second tab, I'd hit alt-2 and it would get focus.  Does this work in konsole?  google didn't help :(
[19:22] <vbgunz> genii: got it, thanks!
[19:22] <ardchoille> federico_: Which language?
[19:22] <federico_> i have a very dificult to the speak english
[19:22] <federico_> i'm italian
[19:23] <ardchoille> !it | federico_
[19:23] <ubotu> federico_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[19:23] <genii> runlevelten: You mean a virtual drive to burn the iso to?
[19:24] <blendtux> !nl | blendtux
[19:24] <federico_> sono nel canale italiano?
[19:24] <runlevelten> genii: i'm using "only create image"
[19:25] <federico_> wher are you from runlevelten
[19:25] <linenoise> uhm... lame... it looks like there is no way to do what I want in konsole... why even have tabs if they aren't keyboard accessible?  That just seems dumb.
[19:25] <runlevelten> !it
[19:25] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[19:25] <federico_> i live in ferrara
[19:25] <orlandoj> i'm trying to configure the samba server on KUbuntu like PDC. When i test at the server (smbclient -L localhost -U orlandoj), it's ok. But when i try to inser the Windows client, occours some erros. I'll put the log messages hehe:
[19:25] <linenoise> the man page has nothing, google has nothing and help:/konsole pretty much confirms that konsole is keyboard UN-friendly
[19:26] <orlandoj> nmbd/nmbd_incomingrequests.c:process_name_refresh_request(173)
[19:26] <orlandoj>   Error - should be sent to WINS server
[19:26] <orlandoj> [2007/11/27 17:22:34, 0] nmbd/nmbd_incomingrequests.c:process_name_refresh_request(172)
[19:26] <orlandoj>   process_name_refresh_request: unicast name registration request received for name MC2<00> from IP 200.145.39.93 on subnet UNICAST_SUBNET.
[19:26] <orlandoj> [2007/11/27 17:22:34, 0] nmbd/nmbd_incomingrequests.c:process_name_refresh_request(173)
[19:26] <runlevelten> linenoise: how is it keyboard unfriendly?!
[19:26] <linenoise> get out of here mallize
[19:26] <linenoise> mallize: ;)
[19:26] <runlevelten> :)
[19:26] <linenoise> runlevelten: you can't switch to a specific tab using the keyboard.
[19:26] <linenoise> runlevelten: you can cycle, but you can't specify.
[19:26] <genii> hmm
[19:27] <mallize> wah
[19:27] <mallize> you need to come to this meeting linenoise
[19:27] <linenoise> mallize: F-THAT
[19:27] <linenoise> ;)
[19:28] <runlevelten> linenoise: open "configure shortcuts"
[19:28] <linenoise> mallize: it's probably about all the code I broke before I left hahaha
[19:28] <mallize> :)
[19:28] <linenoise> runlevelten: I tried that.  There's a way to cycle but not a way to select a specific one... unless I'm just not seeing it here....
[19:29] <X2B> ok, I am coming here from #kde with a problem concerning some preassigned keys, e.g. XF86AudioMute. I want to assign them to something else but I can't, because they are already assigned. What can I do??
[19:29] <linenoise> runlevelten: I see it!!!
[19:29] <runlevelten> you do only get 10 slots mind you :)
[19:29] <linenoise> runlevelten: thanks! :)
[19:29] <runlevelten> np
[19:29] <linenoise> man they kinda bury it there... I guess I just expect everything to work like firefox
[19:30] <runlevelten> ew, really?
[19:30] <linenoise> slow and crashy ;)
[19:30] <ThusLex> erm
[19:30] <runlevelten> heheh yeah -takes me ages to find anything in ff tbh \o/
[19:30] <linenoise> that's not true... if this were firefox, I'd need a plugin for each font color, and those plugins would somehow conflict causing my browser to eat 1GB of memory per page.
[19:30] <ThusLex> if i download ubuntu the desktop version, is it possible to download the server side of it and add it on later?
[19:30] <ThusLex> LAMP isnt it?
[19:31] <linenoise> ThusLex: the different versions don't limit which packages you can install if that's what you're asking.
[19:31] <runlevelten> yes it is possible, you can install the server packages through apt or synaptic
[19:31] <runlevelten> or aptitude, or adept, etc
[19:31] <ThusLex> well are there any help sites or anything on the itnernet to tell u how to install them?
[19:31] <ThusLex> cos im a bit of a linux noob (hint the fact im downloading ubuntu) so i can learn about it
[19:32] <ScorpKing> !LAMP
[19:32] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[19:32] <ThusLex> thansk ubutou
[19:32] <ThusLex> ubotu
[19:33] <runlevelten> OK, I'm thinking tentatively that it looks like a permissions issue.
[19:33] <ThusLex> meh
[19:33] <ThusLex> would it be easier to just download the server edition?
[19:33] <linenoise> mallize: Judy's asking where you're at?  wtf?  Why are you guys meeting in here?
[19:34] <mallize> tell her.. we are in a dar meeting
[19:34] <mallize> that CHUCK asked us to go to
[19:37] <jhutchins_lt> ThusLex: The main difference between the desktop and the server versions is the package selection.  You can install all of the desktop packages on the server base, and the server packages on the desktop.  Most admins don't want all the desktop stuff cluttering up a server, so there's a separate installer for them.
[19:39] <runlevelten> OK, so it works fine with every setting the same except "Clone image", I can create a (not good enough) iso
[19:40] <runlevelten> the devices are owned by cdrom, but I suppose k3b uses a different app for the clone copyu
[19:40] <runlevelten> -u
[19:44] <enrico__> ciao a tutti
[19:44] <enrico__> posso chiedequi per aiuti su kubintu
[19:44] <enrico__> kubuntu
[19:45] <enrico__> ma non c'e nessuno)
[19:45] <trappist> !it
[19:45] <enrico__> ?
[19:45] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[19:46] <enrico__> ok tnx
[19:46] <trappist> np
[19:50] <vbgunz> what is the name of the screen you see *after* logging in? the one that shows the progress if the system loading up?
[19:50] <trappist> the kdm splash screen, if you use kdm
[19:50] <vbgunz> trappist: thanks!
[19:51] <trappist> substitute gdm if appropriate
[19:52] <vbgunz> KDM I believe
[19:52] <vbgunz> just promised to take a day and report on the bugs that have been bothering me for a very long time
[19:53] <jhutchins_lt> WIthout bugreports nothing gets done about them.
[19:54] <jhutchins_lt> If they're already reported, remember to vote for 'em.
[19:54] <nosrednaekim> or against them as it is...
[19:54] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[19:54] <nosrednaekim> no-one wants bugs in the office
[20:03] <vbgunz> when you insert a cd, what could cause 2 storage media daemon dialogs to open on you? 1 is apparently root and the other belonging to the user?
[20:07] <runlevelten> Yay, time spent wrangling ubuntu into working instead of relaxing AGAIN.
[20:08]  * runlevelten goes and plays with opensuse, which for all its problems, just works.
[20:08] <andreas_> Why doesent knetworkmanager find my wireless networks? When i do iwconfig i find my card eth1. How do i reset knetworkanager to it's original settings? (think my brother has fucked it up real hard.)
[20:09] <morphinex> hey folks, when I upgraded to gutsy my networking got hosed
[20:10] <morphinex> I no longer have eth0, ath0, wlan0, etc
[20:10] <morphinex> How might I fix that?
[20:10] <andreas_> morphinex: what card do you have?
[20:11] <morphinex> umm, I don't remember, it always just worked
[20:11] <morphinex> in edgy and feisty it Just Worked
[20:12] <andreas_> morphinex: laptop computer?
[20:12] <morphinex> desktop
[20:12] <morphinex> Atheros AR2413
[20:13] <andreas_> morphinex: i thingk madwifi got drivers for those.
[20:14] <trappist> yeah madwifi has atheros covered
[20:14] <hdevalence> when i try to poen media:/ in konqueror, it gives me an error the kde mediamanager is not running
[20:15] <andreas_> morphinex: http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility/Atheros
[20:15] <hdevalence> how do i start this?
[20:15] <andreas_> hdevalence: Use dolphin
[20:15] <andreas_> Why doesent knetworkmanager find my wireless networks? When i do iwconfig i find my card eth1. How do i reset knetworkanager to it's original settings? (think my brother has fucked it up real hard.)
[20:16] <stdin> andreas_: watch the language
[20:16] <ahmad> sound is very low although mixer 100%
[20:16] <hdevalence> andreas_: it has the smae problem in dolphin.
[20:16] <jpatrick> hdevalence: it's something to do with kryptomedia not yet included, I am working on this right now
[20:16] <hdevalence> it won't mount my cdrom
[20:16] <morphinex> andreas_: it always worked before without madwifi
[20:16] <miguel_> Hi all!
[20:17] <trappist> hdevalence: do you have the kdebase-kio-plugins package installed?
[20:18] <hdevalence> its a problem with "kio_media_moun" (cut off)
[20:18] <andreas_> morphinex: yeah, but changes happes, i have atheros my self, and madwifi works, standard  gusty dont.
[20:18] <hdevalence> trappist: let me check , i think, so
[20:18] <morphinex> andreas_: ok, I'll try it, thanks for the help
[20:18] <ahmad> heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp
[20:19] <BanisterKelly> !dvd
[20:19] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[20:19] <miguel_> i need somebody!! xD
[20:19] <miguel_> :P
[20:19] <trappist> ahmad: check for 'pcm', 'master' and 'volume' in your mixer
[20:19] <hdevalence> yeah, it's installed.
[20:20] <andreas_> morphinex: np. i think madwifi is in the resticted kubuntu rep.
[20:20] <ahmad> mixer window shows pcm only
[20:20] <jpatrick> hdevalence: are you on hardy?
[20:20] <trappist> hdevalence: go into your konqueror settings, to previews & meta-data.  under select protocols, put a check i nmedia under local protocols
[20:20] <hdevalence> nope
[20:21] <ahmad> trappist: mixer window shows pcm only
[20:21] <trappist> ahmad: what mixer are you using?
[20:21] <trappist> and, what sound card do you have?
[20:21] <hdevalence> trappist
[20:22] <hdevalence> it still doesn't work
[20:22] <trappist> hdevalence: gutsy or feisty?
[20:22] <andreas_> morphinex: install linux-restricted-extras ;d
[20:22] <hdevalence> trappist: gutsy
[20:23] <ahmad> trappist: kmix realtek sound card
[20:23] <trappist> hdevalence: hrm, not sure - it works here
[20:23] <trappist> ahmad: try alsamixer
[20:24] <hdevalence> i think it might have something to do with the fact that i accidentally ran 'rm -rf' in my home directory; but i killed it pretty quick, and it didn't delete .kde
[20:24] <andreas_> Why doesent knetworkmanager find my wireless networks? When i do iwconfig i find my card eth1. How do i reset knetworkanager to it's original settings? (think my brother has fucked it up real hard.)
[20:24] <ahmad> trappist: alsamixer shows master 00 that can not be modified
[20:25] <ahmad> trappist: pcm 100%
[20:25] <trappist> ahmad: does master have MM at the bottom?
[20:26] <trappist> hdevalence: there's a good chance it started on .kde
[20:26] <trappist> and deleted some of it
[20:26] <vbgunz> damn... I left a comment on something in launchpad and lost it... :(
[20:26] <ahmad> trappist: master have 00 at the bottom
[20:27] <hdevalence> trappist: is there a way that I could get a hold of a default .kde, and then restore any missing files
[20:29] <trappist> hdevalence: easiest solution might be to create a new user
[20:29] <fredrik> Annyone got a Dlink BT-122 Bluetooth adapter to work?
[20:29] <ahmad> trappist: help please
[20:30] <trappist> ahmad: it's probably specific to your sound card, and I don't have one like that.  I'm out of ideas.
[20:30] <joebob777as7> I put a new motherboard processor ram and video card in my aunt's system and it seems to be acting peculiarly. do i need to reinstall ubuntu or should it have updated itself automatically or do i have to rebuild kernel or something else?
[20:31] <hdevalence> trappist: so then I could create a tar.bz2 of .kde, but is there an extract option that will not overwrite?
[20:31] <trappist> hdevalence: probably - man tar :)
[20:32] <voicu> hi, i just upgraded from feisty to gutsy and i have some problems with apt
[20:32] <voicu> apparently 14 packages didn't install well
[20:32] <trappist> joebob777as7: depends on the problem.  for example if her hard drive(s) used to be ide, and now it's a sata system, that's one problem.  if it's video drivers... you get the idea.
[20:32] <hdevalence> trappist: all I have to do is use the -k option - thanks for your help
[20:33] <voicu> now i get errors when trying to install any package and aptitude can't work it out
[20:33] <joebob777as7> trappist, hard drive is still sata but graphics card used to be agp now is pci-e...
[20:33] <voicu> i tried uninstalling the packages but it won't let me
[20:34] <trappist> jackster: first step, can you define 'peculiarly' so we know what we're looking for?
[20:34] <voicu> why do i get this "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi: failed to write cache" from dpkg?
[20:34] <voicu> i get that when dpkg tries to install ttf-opensymbol
[20:35] <fredrik> Annyone got a Dlink BT-122 Bluetooth adapter to work?
[20:36] <bob1> hi guys
[20:39] <trappist> voicu: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg266900.html
[20:40] <voicu> trappist: thanks... weird bug :D
[20:40] <trappist> yep
[20:40] <funkja> what is the kde4 dev channel?
[20:41] <trappist> voicu: when I typed ttf-opensymbol into google, the first thing returned by googlesuggest was ttf-opensymbol failed to write cache
[20:41] <kamui> crazy question
[20:41] <kamui> can you boot a cd image using syslinux?
[20:41] <stdin> funkja: #kde-devel
[20:41] <stdin> funkja: * #kde4-devel
[20:42] <funkja> thanks
[20:43] <hydrogen> anyone know of a c++ formatter smarter than bcpp?
[20:44] <tekteen> hydrogen: yes. A HUMAN
[20:44] <tekteen> :-)
[20:44] <hydrogen> tekteen: that was not that helpful
[20:44] <hydrogen> thanks though
[20:44] <tekteen> sorry
[20:44] <ScorpKing> lol. try #c++
[20:45] <voicu> if i 'accidentaly' deleted some files that are installed by apt can i make it check and put back everything? :D
[20:46] <LjL> voicu, do you know which files?
[20:46] <voicu> kinda
[20:46] <LjL> define kinda
[20:46] <vbgunz> I am a bit burnt with launchpad... I made a comment on something and I lose it forever... I cannot find where I made the comment or anything. how am I supposed to keep track of it :(
[20:46] <voicu> well i deleted the fonts
[20:46] <trappist> voicu: if you know what packages, apt-get install --reinstall
[20:46] <voicu> but if i uninstall the fonts everything goes away
[20:46] <voicu> aha
[20:46] <voicu> thanks again
[20:46] <trappist> np
[20:49] <voicu> oh, and another thing... after upgrading X only starts in 1024x768 but the xorg.conf tells it to go in 1600x1200. could kde or something else interfere?
[20:50] <peixotoadm> join #unix
[20:51] <tekteen> voicu: in system settings
[20:51] <tekteen> voicu: under monitor and display
[20:54] <tekteen> voicu: r u there?
[20:55] <voicu> yeah
[20:55] <voicu> dammit, can't see anything
[20:55] <tekteen> ok
[20:56] <voicu> my fonts are messed up
[20:56] <voicu> brb
[21:00] <torsten_> hallo leute wo kann ich firefox downloaden
[21:00] <tekteen> torsten_: open a konsole and type: sudo apt-get install firefox
[21:01] <torsten_> ok teste ich
[21:01] <tekteen> !de | torsten_
[21:01] <ubotu> torsten_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[21:01] <torsten_> hatte erst suse drauf , muss mich erst einarbeiten
[21:02] <tekteen> anyone here speak [his language here]
[21:02] <voicu> hmm, and can i tell kde not to screw with X's settings?
[21:03] <tekteen> voicu: in the system settings u can set it yourself
[21:03] <voicu> the resolution isn't a big problem but it also changes the refresh rate
[21:03] <tekteen> I have no idea why
[21:04] <CochiseIRL> hello, im in gnome ubuntu, is there any other way to install kde. I tried kubuntu-desktop but it installs loads of apps as well?
[21:04] <hydrogen> anyone familiar with astyle?
[21:04] <tekteen> CochiseIRL: sudo apt-get install kde
[21:06] <tekteen> CochiseIRL: does that work?
[21:06] <torsten_> es installiert klasse danke
[21:06] <tekteen> !de | torsten_
[21:06] <ubotu> torsten_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[21:06] <Tm_T> CochiseIRL: I'd say install kdebase if you don't like to have whole "kde apps" stack
[21:06] <CochiseIRL> tekteen, that installs the games and other stuff as well same as the kubuntu-desktop metapackage. looking forward to kde4 the rc1 was great so i want to switch to kde3 now to get a feel for it.
[21:07] <myndbreaker> kubuntu-desktop is the whole package to switch to kubuntu---
[21:07] <tekteen> torsten_: what language do you speak
[21:07] <torsten_> deutsch
[21:07] <CochiseIRL> Tm_T, just what im looking for, will i have to create a session file or will it auto create?
[21:08] <tekteen> torsten_: go to #kubuntu-de
[21:08] <Tm_T> CochiseIRL: if only KDE3 then no
[21:08] <torsten_> ok danke
[21:25] <BenPA> I know this is crazy but can someone help me with dialup settings ... I need to know if I need to put an entry into my interfaces for my laptop to reconize the modem
[21:26] <nosrednaekim> !dialup
[21:26] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto - Also try disabling/removing KNetworkManager if KDE applications cannot connect using dial-up
[21:27] <osman47> !de
[21:27] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[21:27] <andreas_> Why cant i connect to my wlan?  wokred just fine yesterday!
[21:27] <BenPA> how do I disable KNetworkManager?
[21:27] <blizzzek> bye
[21:28] <tekteen> BenPA: Laptops many times have "Soft modems" and need restricted drivers
[21:28] <BenPA> ugh
[21:28] <tekteen> BenPA: KNetworkManager is easy
[21:28] <BenPA> sounds like a progrject
[21:28] <tekteen> BenPA: right click on the icon and click quit
[21:28] <BenPA> I do have knetworkmanager
[21:29] <tekteen> then tell it NOT to start up again
[21:29] <BenPA> ok thanks
[21:29] <tekteen> as for the restricted drivers
[21:29] <BenPA> yes
[21:29] <tekteen> if u have "gutsy 7.10" it is easy
[21:29] <BenPA> yes, I do
[21:29] <tekteen> cool
[21:30] <tekteen> open up the system settings program
[21:30] <tekteen> go to the "advanced" tab
[21:30] <BenPA> ok
[21:30] <torsten_> hallo, wie werden installationsquellen eingebunden
[21:30] <tekteen> and click on the "restricted drivers" button
[21:30] <nosrednaekim> !de
[21:30] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[21:31] <tekteen> BenPA: it should then install it for u. :-)
[21:31] <torsten_> hallo wie werden installationsquellen eingebunden
[21:32] <Fleck> what do i need for php mail function to work on my kubuntu?
[21:32] <Fleck> sendmail package
[21:32] <Fleck> ?
[21:32] <tekteen> BenPA: one dialup program I know of (don't use) is kppp. It comes with kubuntu
[21:32] <BenPA> what should I use
[21:32] <ndrea> Hello everybody
[21:32] <BenPA> it's installing the drivers now
[21:33] <tekteen> BenPA: cool
[21:33] <tekteen> hi ndrea
[21:33] <ndrea> I have a question... Everytime I update with adept manager I get this error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46041/
[21:33] <BenPA> which dialup program should I use?
[21:33] <ndrea> do some of you have the same problem?
[21:33] <BenPA> ppp-gnome?
[21:33] <tekteen> BenPA: no
[21:34] <tekteen> BenPA: kppp
[21:34] <tekteen> comes with kubuntu
[21:34] <tekteen> uses kde libraries
[21:34] <BenPA> I thought you said not to use it
[21:34] <tekteen> look again
[21:35] <tekteen> kppp is the kde one
[21:35] <BenPA> oh ok
[21:35] <BenPA> thanks
[21:35] <tekteen> np
[21:35] <tekteen> hope it works. :-)
[21:35] <BenPA> it keeps saying modem is busy I guess I should reboot
[21:36] <tekteen> yep
[21:36] <BenPA> ty so much
[21:36]  * tekteen has to go or his mom will kill him! :-)
[21:38] <HS^> will it take a long time to integrate kde4 in kubuntu after it is released?
[21:38] <Tm_T> who knows
[21:38] <nosrednaekim> HS^: possibly, it certainly is not going into hardy by default.
[21:39] <HS^> i dont know all the ubuntu code names, hardy is stable?
[21:39] <sdlnxgk> anyone having issues with firefox update???
[21:39] <jhutchins_lt> tekteen: Usually people stay with the current stream of KDE until at least the third release, so kde 4.3.x
[21:39] <sdlnxgk> firefox just updated and now it will not stay open
[21:39] <jhutchins_lt> Or maybe kde 4.1.3
[21:40] <continentaltest> is anyone here knowledgeable RE virtualbox
[21:40] <jhutchins_lt> sdlnxgk: What errors does it show in the console when you start it there?
[21:40] <sdlnxgk> let me try that really fast
[21:41] <Pollywog> sdlnxgk: You might try installing Firefox from one of the tarballs on their website
[21:41] <Pollywog> version 2 something
[21:41] <sn00zer> on my open office whenever i use bullets or numbering the box pops up with the options specific to those things but somehow it switched to fullscreen, how do i get these toolbars back to a manageable size?
[21:41] <jhutchins_lt> Pollywog: I wouldn't do that.
[21:41] <sdlnxgk> I have version 2 something now firefox just updated and now it will not connect or stay open
[21:42] <jhutchins_lt> Pollywog: Mozilla's installers don't integrate into the apt system and they make a mess of the drive.
[21:42] <Pollywog> jhutchins: I put mine in /usr/local/
[21:42] <jhutchins_lt> Pollywog: None of your pluggins or anything are going to integrate with the rest of the system though.
[21:42] <sdlnxgk> jhutchins, here is my error message when running it from cli Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[21:42] <Pollywog> you just untar it and then put it in /usr/local/
[21:43] <Pollywog> you might be right about the integration
[21:43] <sdlnxgk> damn auto upgrades
[21:43] <Pollywog> if it becomes a problem I will install the deb again but by then the problem I had should be fixed
[21:45] <hdevalence> aggg opendns is screwing up konqueror
[21:46] <hdevalence> i made strigi the default search
[21:46] <hdevalence> but it goes to opendns instead
[21:47] <Pollywog> jhutchins: Oh wait, it wasn't Firefox I upgraded, it was Thunderbird
[21:48] <Pollywog> I am not having problems with Firefox so I should put a hold on it so it does not upgrade to the version giving sdlnxgk problems
[21:49] <Pollywog> sdlnxgk: Feisty or Gutsy?
[21:49] <jthomas> hdevalence: what are you using to search?  if you are at the address bar, you need to preface the term with "stringi:/" or it will try DNS resplution, which is where OpenDNS comes in.
[21:49] <Pollywog> oh yes I see a Firefox updated package
[21:49] <sdlnxgk> Pollywog, Feisty haven't made the jump to Gutsy yet
[21:49] <jthomas> hdevalence: rather, 'strigi:/'
[21:49]  * Pollywog puts Firefox on HOLD
[21:50] <Pollywog> oh, Gutsy here
[21:51] <jthomas> hdevalence: or it may be 'strigi://'
[21:51] <sdlnxgk> Might do the Gutsy fresh install once I back everything up this weekend
[21:51] <sdlnxgk> ok gotta go check the mail and put the truck in the garage and get some sleep before shift tonight will check back and see after a reboot if firefox is ok
[21:51]  * tekteen is waiting for Hardy :-)
[21:52] <Pollywog> The only thing that broke really bad when I upgraded to Gutsy was wifi
[21:52] <Pollywog> Ralink rt2500 wifi card
[21:52] <tekteen> Pollywog: have u opened the restricted drivers manager
[21:52] <Pollywog> tekteen: no
[21:53] <Pollywog> it is broken?
[21:53] <tekteen> Pollywog: open the "system settings" program
[21:53] <tekteen> then go to the "advanced" tab
[21:53] <tekteen> then to the restricted drivers manager
[21:54] <continentaltest> are there any VirtualBox experts available?
[21:55] <tekteen> continentaltest: I have used it
[21:55] <Pollywog> I do not see the restricted drivers manager
[21:55] <stdin> continentaltest: there are in #vbox
[21:55]  * tekteen uses Virtualbox Sometimes but likes QEMU the best
[21:56] <tekteen> Pollywog: gutsy, right?
[21:56] <Pollywog> tekteen: yes
[21:56] <nosrednaekim> continentaltest: whats the problem?
[21:56] <tekteen> Pollywog: one sec
[21:57] <Pollywog> oh yes I see Firefox 2 would upgrade if I did not put a hold on it
[21:57] <Pollywog> is Firefox broken in Gutsy?
[21:57] <nosrednaekim> Pollywog: no
[21:57] <tekteen> Pollywog: click alt+F2
[21:57] <tekteen> type "systemsettings"
[21:58] <tekteen> then at the top click the advanced tab
[21:58] <Pollywog> I have that I just don't have the restricted drivers manager
[21:58] <Pollywog> I have the other managers
[21:58] <tekteen> ok
[21:58] <tekteen> u need a fresh install
[21:59] <tekteen> I NEVER upgrade
[21:59] <Tm_T> erm?
[21:59] <tekteen> things seem to be breaking alot
[21:59] <ardchoille> Pollywog: If you're willing to circumvent the package manager, you're eventually going to have some kind of problem, IMHO.
[21:59] <Tm_T> !worksforme | tekteen
[21:59] <ubotu> tekteen: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[21:59] <BluesKaj> thunderbird is broken on my gutsy install ..wont open browser links in email messages
[22:00] <tekteen> Tm_T: ok, sorry :-(
[22:00] <Pollywog> ardchoille: You mean with Thunderbird?  It is installed in /usr/local/
[22:00] <jthomas> BluesKaj: do you need to set the default web browser?  if Kubuntu, do you have Firefox installed, since its not a Kubuntu default but it may be for Thunderbird
[22:00] <ardchoille> Pollywog: With any app/package. The package manager is there for a reason and I feel it should be used at all times.
[22:00] <Pollywog> ardchoille: the version in Gutsy was too old
[22:01] <ardchoille> Pollywog: Well, untarring stuff to /usr/local can't be a good thing to do.
[22:01] <BluesKaj> jthomas, nope tried all that already ...nothing works
[22:01] <Pollywog> ardchoille: I have used Debian and derivatives for some 8 yrs and have not had too many problems
[22:01] <ardchoille> Pollywog: This is not debian ;)
[22:02] <Pollywog> it just means a little more work sometimes
[22:02] <jthomas> Pollywog: worksforme eh? ;)
[22:02] <ardchoille> jthomas: lol
[22:02] <Pollywog> ardchoille: that is what they say in #debian...   "This is not ubuntu"
[22:02] <BluesKaj> jthomas, it works fine as email client. It just won't link to any URLs , no matter which browser is set to default
[22:02] <ardchoille> Pollywog: I've used ubuntu since 2004 and the biggest problem I had was how to change the kmenu icon. This is because I never circumvent the package manager.
[22:03] <Pollywog> jthomas: this is not Redhat :)
[22:03] <jthomas> hmm... BluesKaj you're generally the most knowledgeable person in here...
[22:03] <BluesKaj> anyway , i'm getting to like kmail and konq :)
[22:03] <Mr_Sonoma> what program would yall recomend for editing quick time videos?
[22:03] <jthomas> yeah i love kmail
[22:03] <stamen> !compiz
[22:03] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[22:03] <Pollywog> ardchoille: sometimes one has to be flexible
[22:03] <ardchoille> Pollywog: Suit yourself.
[22:03] <BluesKaj> jthomas, i beg to differ on that point  :)
[22:04] <Pollywog> I have been warned
[22:04] <jthomas> Mr_Sonoma: KDEnlive perhaps?  Not sure tho and its current export settings donm't work too well for NTSC (North America /Japan) output...
[22:05] <jthomas> Mr_Sonoma: but you may have different experiences.  QuickTime is a closed codec, so you may have better luck reencoding it to a more "standard" format
[22:05] <Pollywog> why does System Settings have a tab for Windows programs?
[22:06] <Mr_Sonoma> jthomas, thats what i feared unfortunately Kodak camras save video into quicktime format.
[22:06] <Pollywog> under "Advanced"
[22:06] <Tm_T> Pollywog: because of Wine ?
[22:06] <Pollywog> Tm_T: ty
[22:06] <Mr_Sonoma> jthomas, thanks for the suggestion i'll check it out
[22:06] <jhutchins_lt> Mr_Sonoma: Try avidemux.  Don't know if it'll have the codecs, but generally if you can view it in Linux, you can edit.
[22:07] <jthomas> Mr_Sonoma: yeah...  well KDEnlive (really, the MLT backend) is working on getting full, all-codec, all framerate, all awesomeness support for all video types, but not sure if they're there for QuickTime or not.  Try it!
[22:07] <jthomas> I've never 'got' AVIdemux.
[22:08] <Pollywog> Anyone know if there will ever be a front-end for the Linux version of TrueCrypt?
[22:08] <Pollywog> a graphical one
[22:08] <jhutchins_lt> avidemux2 is the package I think.  I've used it to reformat some DVD's.
[22:08] <BlackDiamonds> Pollywog isn't there one already ?
[22:08] <BlackDiamonds> I don't think it's offical but I'm sure there is one
[22:08] <jhutchins_lt> There is also a good video packaging tool for building a DVD out of video, tovid.
[22:08] <Pollywog> BlackDiamonds: if there is it is news to me
[22:08] <BlackDiamonds> I could have sworn there was one
[22:08] <Pollywog> BlackDiamonds: I will look for one
[22:09] <tekteen> it does not seem to be in gutsy
[22:09] <tekteen> I saw it is fiesty
[22:09] <Pollywog> you are right
[22:09] <Pollywog> there is one for KDE
[22:09] <jthomas> Mr_Sonoma: other video apps: devede; pitivi; openvideoeditor;
[22:09] <BluesKaj> Tm_T, for some reason when I tried to "Windows Applications", adept tries to install wine (which is fine) , but it then gives me an error saying wine is not installed ... I just installed wine thru apt and it works fine on some apps . I'm curious if there is a bugreport on that situation.
[22:09] <BlackDiamonds> Pollywog it will work just fine on a GNOME desktop
[22:10] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: no idea
[22:10] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: I don't use that "stuff"
[22:10] <BluesKaj> ok Tm_T  :) , I just use wine for neotracepro
[22:11] <Mr_Sonoma> thanks fellas
[22:12] <ThusLex> anyone can help me please??
[22:12] <jthomas> !ask
[22:12] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[22:13] <ThusLex> well its the same question as before
[22:13] <ThusLex> i want my ubuntu to run from my usb key
[22:13] <tekteen> yes
[22:13] <jthomas> ah
[22:13] <ThusLex> ive extracted the .iso and put it onto my usb key
[22:13] <ThusLex> when i boot the key it says Missing Operating System...
[22:13] <jthomas> have you googled for such a process, ThusLex?
[22:13] <tekteen> There are instructions online
[22:14] <jthomas> it likely needs, at a minimum, the boot loader installed.
[22:14] <BluesKaj> Mr_ Sonoma, there's also CLI /GUI app called Tovid
[22:14] <ThusLex> boot loader installed?
[22:14] <ThusLex> so i cant just go into an itnernet cafe with my usb key and use it in there?
[22:14] <ThusLex> i have to install tons of stuff?
[22:14] <jthomas> something to tell the computer that there is an actual OS on that USB drive
[22:15] <tekteen> ThusLex: does your computer boot from a usb stick
[22:15] <jthomas> ThusLex: have you googled for it?
[22:15] <ThusLex> no
[22:15] <ScorpKing> !duel boot
[22:15] <ere4si> http://pendrivelinux.com/2007/02/12/usb-ubuntu-tutorial-for-linux-users/
[22:15] <ThusLex> what do i type? how to boot ubuntu from usb key
[22:15] <jthomas> ThusLex: prob not install tons, or anything, but you have to tell the drive (the USB disk drive) to let the computer know, at boot time, that there is an OS on the USB drive
[22:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about duel boot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:15] <jthomas> yep that's what I would type
[22:16] <ScorpKing> bah. does anyone know the !factoid for  duelboot?
[22:16] <ere4si> Thuslex: right !dualbootclick the link from me
[22:16] <tekteen> ThusLex: u will not be able to configure the internet cafe computer
[22:16] <sharkp> Hi guys
[22:16] <Pollywog> ThusLex: I think you have to go to the BIOS and set to boot from USB stick
[22:17] <tekteen> hi sharkp
[22:17] <sharkp> kicker doesn't start automatically
[22:17] <sharkp> How can I solve this problem?
[22:17] <Pollywog> some BIOSes do not allow it though
[22:17]  * ScorpKing agrees with tekteen
[22:17] <ThusLex> ive done that pollywog
[22:17] <jthomas> yes i agree, most internet cafes have older machines which won't likely boot from the USB; also are probably already running; and third won't likely allow you to change their boot order.
[22:17] <ThusLex> well ok not so much an internet cafe
[22:17] <ThusLex> but a friends computer
[22:17] <BluesKaj> !dualboot | ScorpKing
[22:17] <ubotu> ScorpKing: Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[22:17] <ThusLex> or another computer of mine etc.
[22:18] <ScorpKing> ty BluesKaj :D
[22:18] <BluesKaj> :)
[22:18] <jthomas> ThusLex: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install/
[22:18] <sharkp> kicker doesn't start automatically
[22:18] <sharkp> How can I solve this problem?
[22:18] <sara> hello
[22:18] <ThusLex> yes im readnig the tutorial
[22:18] <ThusLex> thanks :)
[22:18] <tekteen> hello sara
[22:18] <Tm_T> sharkp: please don't repeat
[22:18] <sara> go to kysysguard .. process manager and kill kicker than
[22:18] <sara> log out and back in
[22:19] <sharkp> Tm_T: ok...
[22:19] <sara> or go to terminal and type killall kicker
[22:19] <sara> but kysysguard is your friend
[22:19] <sharkp> sara: are u talking with me?
[22:19] <sara> GUI
[22:19] <sara> i was yah
[22:20] <ThusLex> 7.04 is the newest ubuntu right?
[22:20] <sara> u said kicker not starting auto
[22:20] <sharkp> yes
[22:20] <sharkp> italian?
[22:20] <sara> did you close it in process manager?
[22:20] <jthomas> no, 7.10 is the newest
[22:20] <jthomas> ThusLex: 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon
[22:21] <sara> i have a question, i have a couple games that will not play no matter what in wine, i am now going to do the unthinkable and make a windows parttion for the purpose on a USB 500 gig harddrive... can I use qparted to make a parttion on the external hd?
[22:22] <sara> I dont wnat to loose whats on the drive just make a 50 gig parttion for windows
[22:23] <sara> qparted wouldnt let me resize the USB's parttion
[22:23] <jthomas> what type of file system is the USB drive
[22:23] <jthomas> ?
[22:23] <sara> fat 32
[22:24] <sara> maybe because it was mounted?
[22:24] <jthomas> yes thats a good bet
[22:25] <vbgunz> wow, after 3 hours, reported my bugs and wishes. at least now I may have a reason to complain when it comes to Hardy :)
[22:25] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, you can't do much of anything with mounted partitions
[22:25] <illissius> yuriy: if you care, it seems the problem might've been an erronous copy or something
[22:25] <illissius> copied / over a second time and it works now
[22:25] <illissius> (thank god)
[22:26] <ScorpKing> and cp
[22:26] <illissius> ...so now to actually put the drive in the notebook.
[22:27] <sara> can I should i make the new partition ext 3 ? its lettimg me do it now
[22:27] <ScorpKing> illissius: what did you do if i may ask? cloned the hd?
[22:27] <illissius> ScorpKing: got a new hdd (connected w/ usb). copied everything over, booted from it
[22:27] <illissius> and everything worked fine except kdm wouldn't log me in, seemed to crash or something
[22:28] <illissius> right so, hopefully brb.
[22:28] <ScorpKing> illissius: o i see. got a new one myself a while ago and just used dd to clone it to a nfs server and back to the new one. ;)
[22:29] <illissius> yeah I didn't do a bitwise clone, have a whole new partitioning arrangement and stuff, new filesystems
[22:29] <illissius> or should I say different ones
[22:29] <ScorpKing> nice
[22:35] <scotdb> what's the line command (apt-cache or whatever) to help me find which package contains a particular file (I'm looking for readline.h)
[22:36] <ScorpKing> nite guys
[22:36] <stdin> scotdb: of you don't have the package just search for the file on http://packages.ubuntu.com
[22:37] <scotdb> stdin : thanks for that.   Just moved from SuSE to Kubuntu and still struggling a bit with apt-get commands
[22:40] <squid0> !firewall
[22:40] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[22:53] <jembouge> scotdb :  apt-cache search my_package
[22:54] <jembouge> oops, I'm late
[22:54] <ThusLex> oh how gay is that
[22:54] <ThusLex> the disc im using is 1.68 mb too small to fit the lot in it -_-
[22:54] <Sanne> jembouge: that doesn't search for files in a package, though
[22:54] <stdin> !ohmy | ThusLex
[22:54] <ubotu> ThusLex: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[22:55] <madik> Sanne: dpkg -S is what youre searching for
[22:55] <ThusLex> sorry
[22:55] <stdin> madik: only works if you have the package (and hence the file) installed
[22:55] <vzduch> there's no such command for apt by default.. there is, however, some extra pkg to achieve that
[22:55] <vzduch> I forgot the name
[22:55] <Sanne> madik: not me... scotdb asked :) but thanks anyway
[22:56] <Dragnslcr> !info apt-file
[22:56] <ubotu> apt-file: APT package searching utility -- command-line interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.8.2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 13 kB, installed size 100 kB
[22:56] <Dragnslcr> I think that's the one
[23:01] <Pollywog> I will just have to learn to use TrueCrypt on the command line, TCgui is not working for me
[23:01] <Pollywog> it isn't mounting anything
[23:03] <scotdb> folks , yes search isn't what I need.   It does a text search of the package but gives way too much noise
[23:03] <scotdb> There must be an equiv to the RPM what-provides options
[23:04] <illissius> so yeah, I encountered some physical problems
[23:04] <illissius> in the form of not having a fucking screwdriver
[23:04] <jembouge> have you tried to add --help to your prob scotdb ?
[23:04] <illissius> but a knife worked well enough.
[23:04] <jembouge> cause I guess this is what programs like adept or the likes use
[23:05] <stdin> illissius: what are you doing?
[23:05] <jembouge> apt-get and apt-cache (but I'm not a safe source of information)
[23:05] <illissius> stdin: new hdd for the notebook
[23:06] <stdin> ahh, watch the language though please
[23:06] <illissius> yeah, sorry
[23:07] <Pollywog> TrueCrypt is easy to use on the command line  :)
[23:08] <myndbreaker> there's a nice front end for gnome for truecrypt called forcefield
[23:09] <scotdb> jembouge : yes ... also tried the man page of apt-cache
[23:09] <scotdb> Googling seems to suggest you need to go in at a lower level using dpkg to get this info
[23:12] <continentaltest> beginner question -- we want to completely get out of the Windoze environment after yet another catastrophic (and seemingly annual) NTFS failure.  Have been evaluating Kubuntu actively on several machines.  We have a couple of applications that its seems must use Win2k or WinXP (Quickbooks and Solidworks).  However, I no longer trust anything MS and want to know if a dual boot environment is plausible using only GRUB.  I hav
[23:12] <jembouge> scotdb : well then I'm sorry I won't of any help, I'm still a noob  :)
[23:17] <ardchoille> continentaltest: Yes, a dual-boot environment can be done and quite easily, many do it. Hwoever, you might also want to consider using Linux equivalents to those last two apps.
[23:17] <ardchoille> continentaltest: What is Quickbooks and Solidworks?
[23:17] <myndbreaker> or you could use a vm for those apps...
[23:18] <ardchoille> myndbreaker: He'd still be using Windows in the vm, tho, right?
[23:18] <myndbreaker> yeah, but you can do regular snapshots from the machines...
[23:19] <ThusLex> meh
[23:19] <tekteen> ardchoille: continentaltest is talking about a biz accounting program (quickbooks)
[23:19] <ThusLex> ive put ubuntu on my disc
[23:19] <ThusLex> but it wont boot..
[23:19] <ThusLex> ive lookd at the BIOS and CD/DVD is number 1...
[23:19] <ardchoille> continentaltest: I will say that there are some of us who have been happily using Linux since before 2001 and haven't touched Windows since :)
[23:19] <ThusLex> but it still boots window :S
[23:20] <tekteen> continentaltest: dual boot is an option
[23:20] <myndbreaker> ardchoille, continentaltest: if he dualboots he still uses a windows installation, which is harder to restore in full...
[23:20] <tekteen> continentaltest: my laptop has it :-)
[23:20] <ardchoille> myndbreaker: Ah, right, good point
[23:20] <myndbreaker> yeah dualboot works fine...
[23:20] <tekteen> yep
[23:21] <ThusLex> anyone got any advice?
[23:21] <myndbreaker> ardchoille: the only problem is the performance...
[23:21] <tekteen> every machine in my house (if it has win at all) has it
[23:21] <tekteen> myndbreaker: u only get a lost of hd space
[23:21] <continentaltest> still looking for satisfactory equivalents for QBooks and Solidworks running native under Linux .... understand that dual boot is an option.  Just want to see some details RE using GRUB as the only boot loader to get access to the WindozeXP image when needed.
[23:21] <ardchoille> My house machines: 11 Linux, 0 other :)
[23:21] <BanisterKelly> !dvd
[23:21] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[23:21] <ThusLex> someone help plz?
[23:21] <tekteen> continentaltest: there is gnucash
[23:21] <myndbreaker> ThusLex: is there a choice for a temporary boot medium in your POST
[23:21] <ThusLex> why cant i get my computer to boot the disc
[23:21] <ThusLex> hm
[23:22] <ThusLex> in my POST?
[23:22] <tekteen> the prob is that it is more for accountants :-(
[23:22] <continentaltest> also, have tried the VM options ... WINE is not mature enough to be stable for Solidworks and we are still testing VirtualBox, so the jury is out as to whether a decent VM will suffice so that dual boot can be avoided.
[23:22] <ardchoille> continentaltest: If this is fr personal accounting, there are: gnucash, kmymoney2, moneydance and others.
[23:22] <myndbreaker> ThusLex: While the BIOS is booting
[23:22] <continentaltest> haven't heard of GNUcash ... will investigate that too.
[23:22] <ron_> can anyone help with xinerama?
[23:23] <ThusLex> i dont know
[23:23] <tekteen> ardchoille: gnucash is a BIZ accounting program
[23:23] <ThusLex> all i do is press F2
[23:23] <ThusLex> go to Boot
[23:23] <ardchoille> tekteen: Ah, ok
[23:23] <ThusLex> then select CD/DVD: as number 1
[23:23] <ThusLex> then save and exit
[23:23] <tekteen> ardchoille: it gives all the accounting reports. :-)
[23:23] <continentaltest> thanks ardchoille - I'll check them out - but its for business accounting, we use QBooks Pro and timekeeping and payroll
[23:23] <ardchoille> continentaltest: You might investigate gnucash then
[23:24] <ron_> ardchoille:GNUcash is a nice accounting prog I use it for home accounts
[23:24] <continentaltest> noted.
[23:24] <myndbreaker> continentaltest: I'm using virtualbox to, it works fine for me, no problems yet and the performance is acceptable...
[23:24] <continentaltest> myndbreaker:  what machine config?  speed, ram, etc.
[23:24] <Pollywog> pollywog@slider:~$ mkfs.vfat /dev/mapper/truecrypt0    says permission denied
[23:24] <Pollywog> do I need to be root?
[23:24] <tekteen> yep
[23:24] <tekteen> sudo it
[23:25] <Pollywog> tekteen: ty they should have said that in the tutorial  :)
[23:25] <ardchoille> continentaltest: Linux can run on almost anything, but you might need to look into the specs required for specific distros
[23:25] <myndbreaker> continentaltest: i use  it mostly on my laptop, it's a centrino duocore 1660 MHz and 1 GB RAM
[23:26] <ThusLex> hm
[23:26] <ThusLex> do i have to extract the iso before putting it on a disc?
[23:26] <ThusLex> or do i have to burn the whole iso onto a disc?
[23:26] <myndbreaker> continentaltest: but i'm also using it on my workstation which is a AMD Athlon XP2800 and 1 GB RAM.
[23:26] <tekteen> I have run it on anything with 386 or more (may go lower)
[23:26] <continentaltest> I have already installed several diff distros across 6 machines and they work great.  We are just concerned about dual boot using GRUB and whether we can install winxp that way.
[23:26] <tekteen> 386 MB of RAM*
[23:27] <tekteen> continentaltest: it is tricky
[23:27] <myndbreaker> ThusLex:  you have to open the iso in a burn application and burn it, don extract it before burning...
[23:27] <fredrik> .have some serius trubble, was uppgrading to 7.10. but during this I oppend a link in Konversation, for some reason it wanted to open it in the uppdate managher. Bekause of this it stalled and can not be restarted because apt.get/aptetude is runnign in thebacground (rebooting does not help)
[23:27] <tekteen> continentaltest: I can do it but it is only for people who know what they are doing
[23:27] <continentaltest> I know what I'm doing
[23:28] <tekteen> continentaltest: u know how to edit grub?
[23:28] <ThusLex> ok
[23:28] <tekteen> that is the hardest part
[23:29] <continentaltest> just looking for some detailed reading to get some of the finer points.  can do it with NTLDR, just don't trust MS any longer.  Yes, I can edit Grub.  But I just got a call that I have to take, and must check back later.  I'll leave this conversation open and record if you can give me some posts to read.  thanks again ...
[23:29] <continentaltest> bye for now .. leaving open
[23:29] <tekteen> bye
[23:29] <myndbreaker> continentaltest: install xp first and then the linux, it's easier this way...
[23:29] <myndbreaker> bye
[23:31] <ben_> plop
[23:32] <BanisterKelly> Which is better for installing programs/updates, Adept or Synaptic?
[23:32] <BanisterKelly> Synaptic seems better.
[23:32] <trpr> they do the same thing. just pick your favorite
[23:32] <fredrik> what is "process manager" called in kubuntu?
[23:32] <hydrogen> kde system guard
[23:33] <tekteen> BanisterKelly: they both use the same backend. It is up to u
[23:33] <hydrogen> hit ctrl + escape
[23:33] <hydrogen> to see it
[23:33] <fredrik> §thanks
[23:33] <BanisterKelly> Thank you all.  I am trying to find a way to play a DVD in Kubuntu.
[23:33] <tekteen> !dvd
[23:33] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[23:33] <tekteen> !medibuntu
[23:33] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[23:33] <BanisterKelly> I was there, and aparently I am doing something wrong.
[23:34] <tekteen> I can play dvds
[23:34] <BanisterKelly> I was told to get KDE Multimedia so I am doing that in Synaptic.
[23:34] <tekteen> I installed libdvdcss2 from medibuntu
[23:34] <tekteen> BanisterKelly: unless u get libdvdcss2 it will not work
[23:35] <tekteen> BanisterKelly: the package it for decrypting the DVD
[23:35] <BanisterKelly> Okay.  Once it is finisihed I will look that up.
[23:35] <tekteen> ok
[23:35] <tekteen> hope that helps
[23:35] <tekteen> is *
[23:35] <BanisterKelly> brb scanning for libdvdcss2
[23:36] <tekteen> bye
[23:36] <BanisterKelly> Synaptic cannot find anything.
[23:37] <tekteen> BanisterKelly: did u install the medibuntu repo?
[23:37] <BanisterKelly> No, tekteen,
[23:37] <tekteen> ok
[23:37] <BanisterKelly> Still learning here.
[23:37] <tekteen> !medibuntu
[23:37] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[23:37] <tekteen> no problem
[23:37] <BanisterKelly> Been running a few days so far and I have no reason to scrap it.
[23:38] <tekteen> BanisterKelly: great. lol :-)
[23:38] <BanisterKelly> OTW
[23:38] <tekteen> what does OTW mean?
[23:38] <BanisterKelly> On the way
[23:38] <tekteen> ok
[23:38] <BanisterKelly> lol
[23:38]  * tekteen does not im much
[23:38] <BanisterKelly> Something a friend always used and I ended up using it too,
[23:39] <BanisterKelly> lol
[23:39] <tekteen> lol
[23:39] <tekteen> BanisterKelly: just making sure u got to this site <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu>
[23:40] <BanisterKelly> I am there reading.  Thank you very much.
[23:40] <tekteen> np
[23:40] <ThusLex> meh
[23:41] <ThusLex> ok so ive burnt the .iso to my disc
[23:41] <ThusLex> it still doesnt boot the disc first...
[23:41] <tekteen> ThusLex: have u set the bios to boot from cd?
[23:41] <ThusLex> yes
[23:41] <ThusLex> CD/DVD: is number 1
[23:41] <ThusLex> but it keeps booting window...
[23:42] <tekteen> Have u verified that it was burned right?
[23:42] <jughead> How can I enable the mouse in games?  I'm running Kubuntu 7.10 and the latest flgrx driver installed with Envy.  Whenever I start a 3D game, the mouse pointer disappears
[23:42] <ThusLex> how do i verify it then?
[23:43] <NickPresta> ThusLex, when you view the contents of the CD, do you just see one iso file?
[23:43] <ThusLex> yes
[23:43] <NickPresta> Then you burned it incorrectly
[23:43] <NickPresta> you need to burn it as an ISO image, not an data CD
[23:43] <ThusLex> well im using vista
[23:43] <tekteen> NickPresta: u r a genus! :-)
[23:43] <ThusLex> and its the default burner
[23:43] <ThusLex> so how the hell would i do that? :D
[23:43] <tekteen> get infrarecorder
[23:44] <tekteen> infra recorder*
[23:44] <tekteen> then burn is as an image
[23:44] <ThusLex> ok thanks, i'll give it a go now
[23:44] <NickPresta> ThusLex, try http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm too
[23:45] <red> hello
[23:45] <maverick_> hey, Whenever  am copying files to my home folder i get the error message "couldn't change permission for -filename- " ...any ideas how to fix this ?!!
[23:45] <tekteen> hello red
[23:45] <maverick_> am using gutsy
[23:46] <NickPresta> copying files from where? maverick_
[23:46] <maverick_> desktop or anywhere else...i.e not windows folder
[23:47] <maverick_> i read it happens mainly with ppl trying to compy to or from smb mounted windows folders
[23:50] <ThusLex> NickPresta: your ISO Recorder: This software works on Windows XP only .
[23:50] <NickPresta> ThusLex, V3 is for Vista
[23:50] <NickPresta> third link on the main page
[23:51] <ThusLex> ah ok :D
[23:52] <maverick_> NickPresta: so you've got any ideas?!!
[23:52] <ThusLex> meh
[23:53] <ThusLex> it now comes up: This installation package is not supported by this processor type. Contact your product vendor
[23:53] <NickPresta> ThusLex, it worked for a friend of mine. YMMV. There are plenty of recorders which can burn ISO images.
[23:53] <NickPresta> Nero works very well, if you have it
[23:54] <ThusLex> yeah
[23:54] <ThusLex> neros last resort
[23:54] <ThusLex> let me just try this infrarecorder
[23:57] <ThusLex> hm
[23:57] <ThusLex> burning now :D
[23:57]  * ThusLex fingers cross
[23:58] <ThusLex> so what should i see when i open the contents of the dvd?
[23:59] <BanisterKelly> Working now.  Thank you all so very much.  Linux just keeps getting better.