| glatzor | hello, I cannot commit any changes to my branch hosted at Launchpad anymore | 00:32 |
|---|---|---|
| glatzor | I always get the following error: No handlers could be found for logger "bzr" | 00:33 |
| glatzor | afterwards bzr hangs forever | 00:33 |
| glatzor | bzr+ssh://glatzor@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Edisplayconfig-gtk/python-xrandr/main/ | 00:33 |
| lifeless | glatzor: AIUI its actually pushing, unless you have hit ctrl-C, which actually breaks it | 00:34 |
| mwhudson | glatzor: or it might be locked | 00:34 |
| mwhudson | try sftp | 00:34 |
| glatzor | mwhudson: lifeless: I already made a break-lock | 00:35 |
| mwhudson | glatzor: but that's a bit erratic over bzr+ssh too :/ | 00:35 |
| glatzor | this happened after I was asked for my ssh passphrase, but I was to busy to enter it immediately. entering it after some minutes resulted in this situation | 00:36 |
| glatzor | ok, using sftp is a workaround | 00:39 |
| glatzor | thanks | 00:39 |
| LaserJock | cprov-out: how long are you gonna be up? | 00:49 |
| cprov-out | LaserJock: dunno, 20 minutes or so | 00:50 |
| LaserJock | k, trying to get the source | 00:52 |
| LaserJock | cprov-out: hmm, where are you getting the source? | 00:54 |
| LaserJock | from what's on the PPA? | 00:54 |
| cprov-out | LaserJock: http://ppa.launchpad.net/schooltool-owners/ubuntu gutsy | 00:54 |
| LaserJock | ok | 00:55 |
| LaserJock | well, I found the source that they have on the schootool.org site too | 00:55 |
| LaserJock | hmm, that's some lovely packaging | 00:57 |
| cprov-out | LaserJock: do you suspect of something in the package itself ? | 00:58 |
| carlos | good night! | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | cprov-out: well, apt has been around for a long time ;-) | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | my first guess is always packaging | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | cprov-out: have you by chance reproduced it? | 01:03 |
| cprov-out | LaserJock: well, it could also be the indexes generated by LP :( | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | cprov-out: could be yes | 01:04 |
| cprov-out | yes, it's trying to update the package in my machine | 01:04 |
| cprov-out | LaserJock: do you know how to make apt *verbose* on its actions ? | 01:05 |
| LaserJock | cprov-out: do you think this could possibly be caused by the ogre-model crush? | 01:05 |
| LaserJock | like what happens if it gets confused about component? is that a possibility? | 01:06 |
| LaserJock | cprov-out: try apt-get -V | 01:07 |
| cprov-out | LaserJock: no luck | 01:09 |
| LaserJock | cprov-out: I'm trying it now as well | 01:13 |
| LaserJock | cprov-out: I just don't know dude | 01:22 |
| LaserJock | I don't see anything obvious | 01:22 |
| cprov-out | LaserJock: yes, me neither ... better go to bed and try this again tomorrow. | 01:23 |
| cprov-out | LaserJock: thanks for the help and g'night. | 01:23 |
| LaserJock | cprov-out: yeah, I gotta get home, I'll try to poke it again some and let you know if I figure anything out | 01:23 |
| === cprov-out is now known as cprov-zZz | ||
| cprov-zZz | LaserJock: great, thank you. | 01:23 |
| j1mc | hi all. i'm getting an error when trying to push something to launchpad via bzr. (http://pastebin.ca/798862) can anyone help? | 02:21 |
| Fujitsu | j1mc: You can't push over HTTP... | 02:29 |
| Fujitsu | You need to use sftp or bzr+ssh. | 02:30 |
| j1mc | Fujitsu: here's the command i'm using: bzr push bzr+ssh://jwcampbell@bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/xubuntu-hardy | 02:31 |
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| beuno | j1mc, did you do bzr unbind? | 02:32 |
| j1mc | beuno: i tried it. it gave errors, too. might it because i did a lightweight checkout? | 02:33 |
| beuno | j1mc, let's take this back to #bzr <---- :D | 02:34 |
| j1mc | ok | 02:34 |
| Fujitsu | j1mc: You'll have to rebind. Just bind to bzr+ssh, etc. | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | cprov-zZz: erm, why did i get subscribed to a spec that i cant read? :) | 02:35 |
| j1mc | Fujitsu: pardon me, but how would i rebind? i am new to bzr. | 02:37 |
| beuno | j1mc, maybe bzr bind bzr+ssh...? | 02:37 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: because you know if something going on with that something | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: eparse? | 02:38 |
| j1mc | beuno: i'll try. thx. | 02:39 |
| Hobbsee | oh, as in, i'll see when it's all done, or what it's general status is - just not how they're going to do it? | 02:39 |
| LaserJock | exactly | 02:39 |
| === ember_ is now known as ember | ||
| ubotu | New bug: #165322 in ubuntu "Launchpad bug reporting needs a 'me too' button (dup-of: 149775)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165322 | 03:00 |
| jml | Hello hello | 06:01 |
| thumper | hello hello | 06:01 |
| jml | Shall we have a reviewer meeting? | 06:01 |
| thumper | lifeless may not be around for the meeting | 06:02 |
| jamesh | hello hello hello | 06:02 |
| thumper | and I am one handed as I'm eating dinner | 06:02 |
| jml | I feel that we've become stalled. | 06:05 |
| jml | Shall I run it then? | 06:05 |
| thumper | jml: go for it! | 06:05 |
| jml | = Meeting Starts = | 06:05 |
| jml | Welcome to the Launchpad Reviewer meeting! | 06:06 |
| jml | * Roll call | 06:06 |
| thumper | here | 06:06 |
| jml | BjornT, jamesh, jtv, lifeless: ping | 06:06 |
| BjornT | hi | 06:07 |
| jamesh | hi | 06:07 |
| thumper | and that's a quorum | 06:07 |
| jml | * Next meeting | 06:07 |
| jml | Same time next week, I assume. | 06:07 |
| jml | I'm happy to chair. | 06:07 |
| * thumper would really like it earlier | 06:07 | |
| thumper | but then we'd have EU problems | 06:07 |
| thumper | I'll live | 06:08 |
| jml | OK. | 06:08 |
| jml | Nov 27+7, 0600 UTC | 06:08 |
| jml | * Action items | 06:08 |
| jml | I see there are two here for me | 06:08 |
| jml | jml, create a ReviewerMeetingTemplate wiki page similar to BazaarMeetingTemplate with template for minutes and instructions on preparing the email. | 06:09 |
| jml | * | 06:09 |
| jml | jml to confirm that SteveA's email about using properties rather than no-arg functions on view classes is in a relevant checklist on wiki | 06:09 |
| jml | I'll get to those this week. Sorry about the delay. | 06:09 |
| jml | * Queue status | 06:09 |
| jml | How are your queues guys? | 06:09 |
| jamesh | I didn't get round to allocating reviews yesterday | 06:10 |
| thumper | mine is empty | 06:10 |
| thumper | except for one | 06:10 |
| jml | thumper: heh | 06:10 |
| jml | jamesh: I see you have a massive branch in your queue | 06:11 |
| thumper | well, visibly empty, but secretly not | 06:11 |
| jamesh | jml: which one? | 06:11 |
| thumper | SteveA's queue | 06:11 |
| jml | oh, I misread | 06:11 |
| jamesh | oh. SteveA rubberstamped that | 06:11 |
| jml | I can't see anything else to comment on here. Let's move on. | 06:12 |
| jml | * Mentoring update | 06:12 |
| jml | Anyone here a mentor? | 06:12 |
| thumper | not me | 06:12 |
| jml | Moving on. | 06:13 |
| jml | * Review process changes | 06:13 |
| jml | Were these discussed at last week's meeting? | 06:13 |
| * thumper doesn't think so | 06:13 | |
| jml | I don't feel qualified to chair a discussion on these without knowing what sort of outcome we are expecting from that discussion. | 06:14 |
| jml | You've got five seconds to say something :) | 06:15 |
| jml | Done. | 06:15 |
| jml | * Any other business | 06:15 |
| jml | 3 | 06:15 |
| jml | 2 | 06:15 |
| jml | 1 | 06:15 |
| thumper | me | 06:15 |
| jml | thumper: go | 06:15 |
| thumper | what to people think about flacoste's idea of team leads not doing on call reviewing? | 06:16 |
| thumper | BjornT ? | 06:16 |
| jml | thumper: it has a practical ring to it. | 06:17 |
| BjornT | i think that's a quite sane idea. we should have enough reviewers to go around anyway, and there's nothing stopping team leads from helping out doing reviews, even though they are not officially on-call | 06:17 |
| thumper | right, that's generally my thoughts too | 06:17 |
| * thumper is done now | 06:18 | |
| jml | ok. | 06:18 |
| jml | Then so am I. | 06:18 |
| jml | = Meeting ends = | 06:18 |
| jml | I'll talk to Barry to understand the agenda better. | 06:18 |
| thumper | thanks jml | 06:18 |
| jamesh | thanks jml | 06:18 |
| jml | np. | 06:19 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172248 in launchpad "milestone pages should (optionally) hide finished bugs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172248 | 06:30 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172253 in rosetta "Translation overview pages for distro and project should link to filtered PO file pages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172253 | 07:35 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172256 in launchpad "Builds page erroneously reports no packages building" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172256 | 08:15 |
| === LaserJock is now known as LaserRock | ||
| carlos | morning | 08:24 |
| Fujitsu | Hi carlos. | 08:25 |
| === \sh_away is now known as \sh | ||
| === mpt_ is now known as mpt | ||
| glatzor | mpt: where can I enable the bug tracker for my launchpad project? the option seems to be quite hidden | 09:04 |
| mpt | glatzor, wow, coincidence | 09:04 |
| mpt | I'm just right now transcribing one of the user test videos where someone has the same problem | 09:04 |
| glatzor | :) | 09:05 |
| mpt | So until we fix it, the steps are: (1) tabs > "Overview" (2) Actions > "Change details" (3) scroll down to "Bugs are tracked in: [ ] Launchpad" | 09:05 |
| * Fujitsu has helped a few people find that in the past, too. | 09:05 | |
| glatzor | mpt: would be nice to have this on the bugs tab | 09:07 |
| mpt | I think it should be visible directly from the table on the right of the Overview page, and on the Bugs tab, yes | 09:07 |
| glatzor | mpt: thanks. | 09:07 |
| glatzor | mpt: how can I add files to the download section? | 09:08 |
| * Fujitsu thinks you need to add a series, then a release, then add files within that release. | 09:09 | |
| mpt | glatzor, what Fujitsu said | 09:10 |
| mpt | ... which also should be more obvious | 09:11 |
| Fujitsu | Or perhaps there could be some documentation. | 09:11 |
| Fujitsu | Preferably both, I guess. | 09:11 |
| mpt | Writing documentation would be quicker for us. Fixing the dang problem would make it quicker for users. | 09:12 |
| Fujitsu | Some content in the help tab (that must be a first, except for launchpad-bazaar) of +download might help once Launchpad stops crying wolf. | 09:13 |
| mpt | We have a plan for the wolf problem | 09:13 |
| Fujitsu | That is very probably a good thing. | 09:14 |
| Fujitsu | What are you going to do to it? | 09:14 |
| mpt | It's not approved yet. Ask me again in two weeks. :-) | 09:14 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 09:14 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172275 in soyuz "vmware-server in feisty-commercial keeps getting reinstalled" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172275 | 10:31 |
| chx | mwhudson: hi. thanks for fixing the Drupal main branch! Would it be possible to mirror DRUPAL-5 and when it comes (soon), DRUPAL-6 too? | 11:06 |
| * mwhudson blinks | 11:07 | |
| mwhudson | chx: was that me? :) | 11:07 |
| chx | mwhudson: I do not know but someone fixed the Drupal branch. | 11:07 |
| chx | mwhudson: it stoppped updating I complained here to you, I fild a question on launchpad | 11:07 |
| chx | mwhudson: and now, it seems like up to date. | 11:08 |
| mwhudson | chx: ok, cool :) | 11:08 |
| mwhudson | chx: but in general we only mirror the trunk series of development | 11:08 |
| chx | mwhudson: the last commit as of liek ~40 minute ago is not yet mirrored but i guess it will eb soon. i do not know how often the mirror script runs | 11:08 |
| chx | mwhudson: fine, fine | 11:08 |
| mwhudson | chx: cvs repos get updated every 12 hours by default | 11:09 |
| chx | mwhudson: ouch. may I get a speedier update :) ? | 11:10 |
| mwhudson | yes, it should be possible | 11:10 |
| chx | mwhudson: http://ubuntu.com is Drupal. Does this give us some special position :D ? | 11:11 |
| mwhudson | chx: probably :) | 11:11 |
| chx | mwhudson: so, every 30 min :) ? | 11:11 |
| mwhudson | eh, that's probably a bit too often | 11:12 |
| chx | 31 min :D ? | 11:12 |
| chx | sure. Hourly? | 11:12 |
| mwhudson | the systems that run the imports are pretty heavily loaded | 11:12 |
| chx | Whatever works for you, works for me. | 11:12 |
| mwhudson | oh, haha | 11:13 |
| mwhudson | it is already set to hourly | 11:13 |
| chx | really? | 11:13 |
| chx | great, great! | 11:13 |
| mwhudson | but there are too many jobs being processed currently | 11:13 |
| chx | I see. | 11:13 |
| mwhudson | which is why it hasn't been updated for over an hour right now | 11:13 |
| chx | Would donating help? Do you guys need funding or sabdfl provides practically infinite funds :) ? | 11:14 |
| mwhudson | um | 11:14 |
| mwhudson | we need more time and less other things to do i guess :) | 11:14 |
| mwhudson | we're working hard on a more flexible code import system | 11:15 |
| chx | great! we are working hard to provide a better CMS for all of you :) | 11:15 |
| mwhudson | that would let us, e.g., give certain jobs higher priority | 11:15 |
| mwhudson | chx: not my end of things at all :) | 11:15 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172286 in launchpad-bazaar "timing out a branch puller worker leaves a locked branch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172286 | 11:15 |
| mwhudson | chx: but seriously man, cvs? :) | 11:15 |
| === cprov-zZz is now known as cprov | ||
| chx | mwhudson: going over to svn is on the plate for 2.5yrs now | 11:16 |
| chx | mwhudson: it looks more realistic after this SoC but it's extremely hard | 11:16 |
| chx | mwhudson: we have.... what the stats was... um I remember 5000 projects maintained by 1000 people. | 11:17 |
| chx | or something like that. | 11:17 |
| mwhudson | i suppose svn would be a bit better ... :) | 11:18 |
| chx | yes but what I am saying that we educated a legion of people to use cvs and no matter how easy it is , we will have another set of problems | 11:20 |
| chx | we have integrated cvs pretty heavily | 11:20 |
| chx | one of the most important parts, as said above, was rewritten in an RCS independent way during SoC with a CVS plugin and the SVN plugin has recently been written | 11:21 |
| chx | but it's not easy | 11:21 |
| chx | also, believe me I would be happier with bzr or git | 11:21 |
| chx | but the lack of integration and fancy GUI shells makes it impossible. Think Tortoise here. | 11:22 |
| mwhudson | ah right, that one | 11:23 |
| chx | yes, that one | 11:24 |
| mwhudson | the problem here is that the people who most understand bzr are the least likely to be using windows :) | 11:24 |
| mwhudson | and most happy at the command line | 11:24 |
| chx | well there is a tortoisebzr now | 11:24 |
| chx | and believe me, the heaviest Drupal guns do not run Windows | 11:25 |
| chx | especialyl the early DrupalCons looked like macfests :D | 11:25 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172292 in rosetta "Don't offer Download translations to anonymous users" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172292 | 11:26 |
| chx | still, when nine of us walked into a bar in Barcelona to spend the evening with something good (read core hacking), there were like... what, two PCs, one being mine? Apple hardware does not fit my needs, sorry. | 11:26 |
| mwhudson | i'm running gutsy on a macbook | 11:26 |
| mwhudson | the wifi is occasionally infuriating but other than that it's a very nice machine | 11:26 |
| chx | well, a macbook, from my viewpoint, and especially the macbook pro, is extremely heavy | 11:27 |
| chx | and also, very fragile. | 11:27 |
| chx | I am running a Panasonic CF-Y5 which is very light and very very durable | 11:28 |
| mwhudson | i feel this is getting off topic :) | 11:28 |
| chx | it is :) | 11:28 |
| chx | so back to RCS... | 11:28 |
| chx | You also need the local "whatever RCS" guru | 11:28 |
| chx | we have a CVS guru | 11:28 |
| chx | we possibly can pull SVN off | 11:28 |
| chx | but even if TortoiseBZR matures | 11:29 |
| chx | I have no idea who will be the bzr "captain" | 11:29 |
| chx | there are a few people using bzr | 11:29 |
| chx | but aside from bzr pull -- bzr revert -- bzr diff we do not use bzr really. | 11:29 |
| chx | as usual, the challenges are more human resources than technical | 11:30 |
| mwhudson | it's hard to change this sort of thing because the costs are immediate and the benefits long term and often a bit vague seeming | 11:34 |
| chx | the big problem here is that SVN would solve little at all of our problems | 11:35 |
| chx | which are, people have a problem with grasping tags and branches | 11:35 |
| mwhudson | what problems does cvs give you? | 11:35 |
| mwhudson | ah | 11:35 |
| chx | this is hardly cvs specific | 11:35 |
| mwhudson | i've never understood branches in cvs :) | 11:35 |
| chx | SVN is somewhat easier -- but then again, tags there are highly artifical unless you introduce some commit script nothing stops changing a tag, if i understand correctly | 11:36 |
| === kiko-zzz is now known as kiko | ||
| Hobbsee | sky fallen in yet? | 11:50 |
| kiko | not yet. we're waiting. | 11:55 |
| Hobbsee | ah. pity | 11:55 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: when should i hope for an email? | 12:04 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: ideally soon, but it's unlikely, sorry. BTW, do you have some time to help me to follow the soren's hint on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/165230 ? | 12:06 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 165230 in soyuz "PPA generates an endlessly upgrading package" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov) | 12:06 |
| soren | cprov: I'm right here, if you need me? | 12:06 |
| cprov | soren: ahh, good. I wonder how the conflicting binary metadata was generated. Can you explain ? | 12:08 |
| soren | cprov: Are the PPA's using apt-ftparchive? | 12:09 |
| thegodfather | soren: same bug as partner | 12:09 |
| soren | thegodfather: It smeels quite similar, yes. that's how I stumbled upon it. | 12:09 |
| thegodfather | i am pretty sure it is | 12:09 |
| thegodfather | PPA doesn't use apt-f-a IIRC | 12:09 |
| === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee | ||
| Fujitsu | !primary uses NoMoreFTPArchive, I'm pretty sure. | 12:10 |
| Fujitsu | +Apt there somewhere. | 12:10 |
| soren | cprov: pkg-binarymangler replaces the maintainer, afair. | 12:10 |
| cprov | soren: let's check the buildlog | 12:10 |
| soren | cprov: I suppose it's debatable whether that should even be installed in ppa buildd's. | 12:10 |
| * Hobbsee curses hardy | 12:11 | |
| * soren pats Hobbsee | 12:11 | |
| * Hobbsee would appreciate it if X did not freeze | 12:11 | |
| soren | cprov: pkgmaintainermangler: Maintainer field overridden to "Ubuntu Core Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>" | 12:12 |
| soren | cprov: Where does NoMoreAPTFTPArchive get its info from? | 12:13 |
| cprov | soren: when it process the incoming deb control-file | 12:14 |
| soren | cprov: -v | 12:14 |
| soren | cprov: That doesn't add up, IMO. | 12:16 |
| Fujitsu | It looks like it's getting the maintainer from the source, not the post-mangling binary. | 12:16 |
| soren | cprov: The Packages file does not match the control file from the control.tar.gz in the ar archive. | 12:16 |
| soren | Fujitsu: Yeah, but it's got the right Depends.. | 12:17 |
| Fujitsu | soren: That's true. | 12:17 |
| cprov | soren: and the difference is only the 'Maintainer' field ? | 12:17 |
| soren | cprov: For the package, I looked at, yes. | 12:18 |
| soren | cprov: I've reported another similar bug that bigjools is looking at. | 12:18 |
| soren | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/172275 | 12:19 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 172275 in soyuz "vmware-server in feisty-commercial keeps getting reinstalled" [High,New] - Assigned to Julian Edwards (julian-edwards) | 12:19 |
| === meduxa is now known as toscalix | ||
| cprov | soren: uhm, the inconsistency source is that we use the Maintainer field set in the source metadata in the index and not the one coming in the binary controlfile | 12:22 |
| * Fujitsu headdesks. | 12:22 | |
| soren | cprov: I see. | 12:22 |
| soren | cprov: Ok, that doesn't explain the missing Pre-Depends, though. | 12:22 |
| * Fujitsu suspects somebody left that out of the field whitelist... | 12:23 | |
| cprov | soren: 'pre-depends' is not modeled in NoMoreAF | 12:23 |
| soren | cprov: It probably should be. | 12:24 |
| thegodfather | cprov: EH? | 12:24 |
| cprov | soren: ok, let's make it a bug. | 12:24 |
| Hobbsee | should my crack alert be going off? | 12:24 |
| === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch | ||
| Hobbsee | cprov: is there any visible documentation on NMAFA? either current, or future plans? | 12:28 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: there is a spec, but it's private. We should indeed cook a public documentation for it | 12:29 |
| Hobbsee | yay. | 12:30 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: you know, i really think that cprov should make the use of yada mandatory for packages to build in PPAs. | 12:32 |
| Fujitsu | YES! | 12:32 |
| Hobbsee | mutating packaging files would be fun! | 12:33 |
| Fujitsu | Heh heh heh. | 12:33 |
| Hobbsee | and oh so much simpler, when there's only one file of importance | 12:33 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: I have no idea what are you talking about. Can you point me to some doc on this ? | 12:34 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: you don't want to know, and you want to run away and hide before Fujitsu gets violent | 12:34 |
| === doko_ is now known as doko | ||
| Hobbsee | oh my goodness, it's mutated into something mroe evil! | 12:35 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172308 in soyuz "BinaryPackageRelease should store 'Pre-Depends'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172308 | 12:35 |
| Fujitsu | cprov: yada is one of the most evil of packaging `aids' to ever exist. It mutates control files and such on each build, and was just brought up by myself in #-motu. | 12:35 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: dude....please file a removal request for it, before it takes over. | 12:35 |
| Hobbsee | Description: Yet Another Debianisation Aid | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | YADA is a Debian packaging helper. It parses a special file, | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | debian/packages, in a source package, and generates an appropriate | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | debian/rules to control building of the package. | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | . | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | This package provides YADA script. | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | . | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | The /usr/bin/yada script can be also copied as source package's debian/yada | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | file if this package won't be available on system for package building. | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | the latter part is new. | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | even purging yada is not enough - you now need to purge all yada-infested files. it's a virus! | 12:36 |
| cprov | aff .. | 12:37 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: well, now you're not annoyed at NMAFA, are you? :) | 12:38 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: Heh. | 12:38 |
| Fujitsu | cprov: In Soyuz's current state, sources are semi-published on upload, so we sort of have build-from-accepted? | 12:39 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: we've got binaries in the accepted queue already. unsure if you can see them | 12:40 |
| Hobbsee | iirc | 12:40 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: or replace sbuild with checkinstall, if you really want some crack. | 12:42 |
| kiko | wake up launchpad | 13:03 |
| Hobbsee | it's sleepy. you should feed it more | 13:04 |
| === mrevell-lunch is now known as mrevell | ||
| PriceChild | cprov, my ppa still hasn't cleared :/ | 13:43 |
| cprov | PriceChild: the indexes or the pool ? | 13:44 |
| PriceChild | well there's nothing on my ~archive page... but it still shows all the source and binaries still there. | 13:44 |
| PriceChild | * +archive | 13:44 |
| PriceChild | apart from the upload i made last night that you said i should do | 13:45 |
| cprov | PriceChild: URL ? | 13:45 |
| PriceChild | https://edge.launchpad.net/~pricechild/+archive | 13:45 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172320 in rosetta "Empty translations must be always represented with a TranslationMessage without translations" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172320 | 13:45 |
| cprov | PriceChild: http://ppa.launchpad.net/pricechild/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/source/Sources seems to be correct | 13:46 |
| PriceChild | cprov, its still rejecting my upload of version 3.4 (different md5sum to original) | 13:47 |
| cprov | PriceChild: right, it is still published in http://ppa.launchpad.net/pricechild/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gizmod/ | 13:49 |
| PriceChild | So how do we unpublish it? | 13:51 |
| Hobbsee | "you don't" | 13:52 |
| Hobbsee | or you madly petition bigjools to code you a way to do it :P | 13:53 |
| PriceChild | Hobbsee, I know I can't yet (feature on way?)... but surely there must be a way for them to do it seen as other people have had this fixed for them... | 13:55 |
| cprov | PriceChild: right, the information I passed you yesterday was inaccurate, gizmod _3.4-0ubuntu1~ppa1 source will be removed after 2007-11-27 17:40:16.293285 UTC, i.e, tonight. It was submitted to the 24 hours quarantine period. | 13:57 |
| PriceChild | Great so 3 and a bit hours :) | 13:58 |
| PriceChild | Thanks cprov. | 13:58 |
| cprov | PriceChild: bear in mind that the removal procedure only runs at 3am, you will have to wait a little bit more, sorry. | 13:59 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: 3am UTC? | 14:00 |
| _MMA_ | Sorry. I can imagine this might have been asked a bunch. I cant log in to LP. Is there a issue right now? I cleared cookies and all. | 14:01 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: yes | 14:01 |
| PriceChild | cprov, wait I'm confused then... when you mark something for deletion, It has to wait for at least 24 hours before it is queued for deletion incase I change my mind? | 14:02 |
| cprov | PriceChild: yes for the first part, but it's not exactly to cover the changing-mind case. | 14:04 |
| * Hobbsee wonders if it has then had time to definetly hit the backups | 14:05 | |
| cprov | PriceChild: it's just to allocate in-progress work of new versions possibly depending on what you are removing. | 14:05 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: which means what, in laymans terms? | 14:09 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: what difference does it make when you remove it, if other stuff depends on it? | 14:09 |
| Hobbsee | it's still going to break, no matter when you remove it | 14:09 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: no, new versions depending on the same orig would hold the file in disk, for instance | 14:10 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: depending? why? | 14:10 |
| Hobbsee | oh! | 14:10 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: so...then you're assuming that the packages will have built within the 24 hours, so then you can remove part of the source? | 14:11 |
| cprov | I'm not sure if the exactly intent of this feature in the real world, but it's one of the effects it causes | 14:11 |
| * Hobbsee thought you removed by entire package, not just a version of a package | 14:11 | |
| PriceChild | ah so like removing ~ppa1 means it needs to wait 24 incase there's a ~ppa2 scheduled to build? | 14:11 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: what other things does it cause? | 14:12 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: gives time for daily backup-procedure | 14:12 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: which means that data is never removed from LP fully, then - even deleted stuff. | 14:13 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: but currently it's done hourly ;) | 14:13 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: what...because LP is likely to fall over more regularly than once a day? :P | 14:13 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: it will be removed fully when a new sources series is started, so the old orig is not need anymore | 14:14 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: i dont understand "sources series" | 14:14 |
| Hobbsee | i've never understood launchpad's series stuff. | 14:14 |
| Hobbsee | unless it's a form of mozilla-esque | 14:14 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: versions that share the same upstream source (orig.tar.gz) | 14:14 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: do you remove by versions of a package, or do you nuke the entire package? | 14:15 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: by version | 14:15 |
| cprov | {source,binary}packagerelease | 14:15 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: right, that explains a bit more... | 14:16 |
| * Hobbsee still thinks there's some botched logic there, but it makes somewhat more sense. | 14:17 | |
| cprov | Hobbsee: I believe we could get rid of the quarantine period for PPA deletions. | 14:19 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: erm...how does soyuz blow up if it's published a source package, but can't find the original tarball to build? | 14:20 |
| Hobbsee | does sbuild curl up and die, and lock up the builld in question, or? | 14:21 |
| * Hobbsee has no running sbuild, so cannot check. | 14:21 | |
| Hobbsee | hang on, i could ssh into a friends machine and check - if i actually knew the runes to call sbuild. | 14:21 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: builders grab sources directly from librarian, so they won't blow if they are not in the archive. | 14:23 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: oh, so you're not actually deleting the files (orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz, .dsc) from librarian at all? | 14:23 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: although we would detect the lack of source when processing the binary (it has never happened, since deletions are done carefully) | 14:23 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: no, librarian has the *world* and the files are offered via LP UI | 14:24 |
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| Hobbsee | cprov-lunch: so when you're talking about "delete", you actually mean "hiding it from the user, so it appears to be deleted, but isn't" | 14:25 |
| * Hobbsee wonders if the buildds then pick it up from librarian or the LP UI, then. | 14:26 | |
| cprov-lunch | Hobbsee: well, the immediate deletion result is 'exclude it from the archive indexes' | 14:26 |
| Hobbsee | if librarian, then surely hiding it on the UI wouldn't help you. | 14:26 |
| Hobbsee | right, yes | 14:26 |
| cprov-lunch | Hobbsee: later on it will result in remove the file from the archive disk | 14:26 |
| Hobbsee | cprov-lunch: the archive disk - but never librarian too? | 14:27 |
| cprov-lunch | Hobbsee: exactly, librarian will stored the sources and binaries as long as we think it's useful | 14:27 |
| * Hobbsee suddenly is reminded of "google: do no evil" | 14:28 | |
| cprov-lunch | or better s\will store\can store | 14:28 |
| * Hobbsee checks what the LP privacy policy says about that | 14:28 | |
| cprov-lunch | err ... evil word was mentioned, it definitely means "lunch-time" :) | 14:29 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 14:29 |
| Hobbsee | cprov-lunch: ah, it is there. "Launchpad retains all data submitted by users permanently. " | 14:30 |
| Hobbsee | unless it's inappropriate. great. | 14:31 |
| Hobbsee | ah, yes, and then you use the "delete", which means "hide from view", not delete as in real delete - but never actually say that. | 14:31 |
| Hobbsee | as it's not mutually exclusive with the "Launchpad retains all data submitted by users permanently. " statement. | 14:32 |
| kiko | Hobbsee, we sometimes delete porn spam if it's bad porn. | 14:34 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: this would be covered under the "canonical deems it inappropriate" clause, yes. | 14:34 |
| * kiko had a weird dream about porn tonight. yes, insert random quote about porn in dreams and disturbed engineers | 14:34 | |
| kiko | I was at a race conference, having dinner | 14:35 |
| kiko | and I gave the organizers a DVD to show which was of a race that happened this year | 14:35 |
| kiko | and it had racing but it then clipped into a porn video much to my chagrin | 14:35 |
| Hobbsee | now, i wasn't going to say that....but | 14:35 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 14:35 |
| kiko | it was horribly embarassing. but nobody but me seemed to care | 14:36 |
| Hobbsee | maybe they liked it. *shrug* | 14:36 |
| Hobbsee | maybe it was more interesting than the race :P | 14:36 |
| kiko | I think it's more an artifact of it being in a dream | 14:37 |
| Hobbsee | yeah well. you clearly have strange dreams. | 14:37 |
| kiko | I shouldn't have dinner that late | 14:40 |
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| welterde | anyone an idea why antargis-trunk failed importing? | 15:27 |
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| mrevell | LaserJock: Hi | 15:57 |
| LaserJock | hi mrevell | 15:58 |
| mrevell | Hey LaserJock. Do you have a few minutes to chat about tomorrow's PPA 101 session? | 15:58 |
| LaserJock | sure | 15:58 |
| Hobbsee | anything interesting? | 15:59 |
| mrevell | LaserJock, Hobbsee: I think the most useful thing would be to adopt the same intro section as last time and devote most of the session to Q&A. Would you agree? | 16:00 |
| LaserJock | yep | 16:00 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee and I talked about it a little last night | 16:01 |
| Hobbsee | mrevell: yes, although depends on how long the intro section is | 16:01 |
| LaserJock | long lectures just end up wasting time | 16:01 |
| Hobbsee | mrevell: for next time, it would be wise to stick the documentation in the blog post, and suggest that people read it to get full benefit out of the session | 16:01 |
| mrevell | If you subtract the questions, last time we spent around 15 minutes on the intro, I think | 16:01 |
| mrevell | Hobbsee: Thanks for the idea. I'll update the blog post. | 16:02 |
| Hobbsee | 15 mins of reading text from one person is....less than fascinating, no matter the content | 16:02 |
| LaserJock | perhaps an overview of what PPA is and what it's designed to deliver | 16:03 |
| LaserJock | then we can launch into Q&A? | 16:03 |
| mrevell | LaserJock: Yeah, that sounds good to me. | 16:03 |
| mrevell | In which case, there isn't a great deal more to discuss right now :) I can give the intro to PPA and leave you guys to answer the questions :) | 16:04 |
| Hobbsee | mrevell: i'd like to see your intro to the ppa before you present it then, please. | 16:05 |
| LaserJock | haha | 16:05 |
| Hobbsee | i would presume LaserJock would also like a CC. | 16:05 |
| LaserJock | yes, it would be helpful | 16:05 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: that being discussed...ponies! | 16:05 |
| mrevell | Hobbsee, LaserJock: Would either of you prefer to present the intro? | 16:06 |
| LaserJock | well, seems like an official LP person should do that | 16:07 |
| Hobbsee | mrevell: would also be wise to send all ppa docs through knowledgable (about ppa) people. ia64 != amd64, and those who know stuff about build systems would have spotted this earlier | 16:07 |
| LaserJock | we're just the volunteer help ;-) | 16:07 |
| Hobbsee | s/those who know stuff/those who know *far* too much stuff/ | 16:08 |
| Hobbsee | mrevell: i'm fine with someone else presenting it. it's a LP thing, not a MOTU thing, and i think that if either LaserJock or I present it, it'll be seen as a MOTU thing. | 16:08 |
| mrevell | Hobbsee: You are more than welcome to join the Launchpad Documentation Team that, time allowing, I'm planning to announce this week. | 16:09 |
| Hobbsee | mrevell: of course, if it gets seen as a MOTU thing, then the MOTU's will get bugged about why certain bugs in it arent fixed...which is suboptimal. | 16:09 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172353 in rosetta "Icon emblem names aren't translated." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172353 | 16:10 |
| Hobbsee | mrevell: like the above with MOTU, i'd be hesitant to be too far involved in PPA, without an employment contract on it - because people then think i can fix things in it, which I actually can't. That also leaves me open to being blasted for things breaking, etc, which aren't my fault. | 16:12 |
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| Hobbsee | and i get blamed enough for stuff i cant control as it is :P | 16:12 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 16:12 |
| * LaserJock knows the feeling | 16:12 | |
| Hobbsee | mrevell: and it goes without saying that the level of a person's involvement of a project is direclty proportional to their frustration when they see things, which they really want to fix, but can't. | 16:15 |
| mrevell | Okay, well, thanks guys for your help with tomorrow's PPA meeting and to Hobbsee for the public beating. | 16:16 |
| Hobbsee | mrevell: sorry :) | 16:16 |
| LaserJock | haha | 16:16 |
| * Hobbsee hugs mrevell | 16:16 | |
| LaserJock | mrevell: she's good at that ;-) | 16:16 |
| * LaserJock runs from the Ponies | 16:16 | |
| Hobbsee | oy! | 16:16 |
| Hobbsee | mrevell: then again, i do have the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ™ for a reason. | 16:19 |
| mrevell | :) | 16:19 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #172373 in soyuz "Upload system error on duplicated version upload is misleading" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172373 | 17:45 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172377 in soyuz "PPA emails should have rationale header" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172377 | 18:10 |
| keescook | say, with inkscape having moved its bug tracker to LP, there is some weirdness with links back to the old tracker. e.g. 16724 shows a link to sf 1204566, but that bug is now lp 170381. Is there some way to fix all those mappings? | 18:30 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 170381 in inkscape "gnome-print still unsupported (causes segfault)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/170381 | 18:30 |
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| thumper | morning | 20:12 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #172418 in launchpad "Show package updates by Ubuntu versions and/or programs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172418 | 20:56 |
| bd_ | https://launchpad.net/+builds/samarium <-- this buildd seems to have been stuck on a looping shell script somewhere for over a day | 20:59 |
| kiko | yeah, who submitted it again? | 21:01 |
| somerville32 | Is lp dead? | 21:04 |
| somerville32 | Everything keeps timing out on me | 21:05 |
| somerville32 | OOPS-696EB107 | 21:05 |
| kiko | yes, hang on for a bit while we do an update. | 21:05 |
| LaserJock | ah | 21:06 |
| LaserJock | I wondered | 21:07 |
| kiko | it was unexpected | 21:07 |
| kiko | I had hoped it was going to be live but.. life being what it is. | 21:07 |
| bd_ | kiko: looks like the MOTU media team submitted it for their PPA | 21:10 |
| kiko | bd_, do you have the URL for the build? | 21:11 |
| bd_ | https://launchpad.net/~motumedia/+archive/+build/456133 | 21:11 |
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| somerville32 | Why aren't the bugs that are assigned to me listed under the bugs I'm working on? | 21:25 |
| kiko | somerville32, in progress. | 21:26 |
| somerville32 | Oh | 21:26 |
| nouri | Hi. We're thinking about migrating file downloads from Google Code to Launchpad for Plone. Does Launchpad allow files to be downloaded from everywhere in the world? | 21:33 |
| kiko | nouri, wow, that's very cool to hear. | 21:34 |
| kiko | nouri, right now we don't have local mirrors, no, but it is planned. | 21:34 |
| lifeless | nouri: yes it does | 21:34 |
| lifeless | well, I guess it depends what you mean :) | 21:34 |
| kiko | :) | 21:34 |
| nouri | I mean, can people from Cuba download from Launchpad :) | 21:34 |
| lifeless | nouri: yes. | 21:34 |
| nouri | Okay, that's good to hear (that's not the case for Google code btw) | 21:34 |
| lifeless | we're not a US service. | 21:34 |
| nouri | Even better | 21:34 |
| lifeless | ... we're in the free world :) | 21:35 |
| nouri | I wonder who's the owner of the Plone project on Launchpad; where can I see that; I'm looking at https://launchpad.net/plone | 21:35 |
| nouri | Oh, it has no Driver | 21:36 |
| kiko | nouri, expand the box to the left | 21:36 |
| kiko | registered by: https://edge.launchpad.net/~plone | 21:36 |
| kiko | nouri, sounds like you want to be a member of that team. I can do that, but maybe you want to talk to Hanno? | 21:36 |
| nouri | Yeah, I can talk to Hanno, but he's not online today, and I'd rather get started NOW :) | 21:37 |
| nouri | I'm a Plone developer, see http://plone.org/news/plone-3.0-released/ | 21:38 |
| kiko | nouri, what's your LP ID? | 21:38 |
| nouri | kiko: daniel.nouri | 21:38 |
| kiko | nouri, added. please notify Hanno if you can. :) | 21:44 |
| nouri | kiko: Thanks a lot! | 21:44 |
| kiko | nouri, but tell me about this cuba problem. | 21:44 |
| nouri | kiko: Do you guys have limits on file size? | 21:45 |
| kiko | nouri, no. | 21:45 |
| nouri | kiko: Well, Google Code doesn't serve them | 21:45 |
| kiko | nouri, that is absolutely fucked. | 21:45 |
| kiko | are you serious? | 21:45 |
| nouri | Yes | 21:45 |
| nouri | It *is* fucked | 21:45 |
| nouri | One more thing kiko; do you guys have download stats? | 21:45 |
| kiko | wtf | 21:45 |
| kiko | nouri, not yet public. working on getting those public. | 21:45 |
| nouri | kiko: It's available thorough the admin interface? | 21:46 |
| kiko | nouri, no, just in the datacenter logs. | 21:46 |
| nouri | kiko: I see; is there an ETA for landing this feature? | 21:46 |
| kiko | nouri, I can make up an ETA if you want one. :) | 21:47 |
| nouri | Hehe | 21:47 |
| kiko | you know how ETAs and software go.. | 21:47 |
| kiko | but we need to do this work the next year. | 21:47 |
| nouri | I see | 21:47 |
| nouri | kiko: But tell me, these stats, they are available, just need to be made public? | 21:47 |
| nouri | kiko: So you're collecting right now? | 21:47 |
| kiko | nouri, yes, we do track accesses to our webapp instance | 21:48 |
| kiko | yes | 21:48 |
| kiko | we need to parse them and then offer them for browsing via launchpad | 21:48 |
| kiko | if you really really need this soon then I can put extra effort into doing it | 21:48 |
| nouri | I know I'm annoying, but can we request getting these stats every month until the feature is available? :) | 21:48 |
| nouri | It looks as if it's kinda important to some of us. | 21:48 |
| kiko | find some undernourished engineer and give him some food, etc | 21:48 |
| nouri | Hehe | 21:48 |
| kiko | well | 21:48 |
| kiko | for plone? sure we could do something. | 21:49 |
| lifeless | kiko: re cuba, remember the US has an embargo; and various electronic export requirements | 21:50 |
| lifeless | kiko: google code would either have to check and enforce that all their hosted content does not qualify as munitions (e.g. doesn't link to openssl :)), or they do location blacklisting | 21:51 |
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| gmb | !~ | 21:58 |
| nouri | kiko-phone: (I understand you're in a phone call -- and I can wait) | 21:59 |
| nouri | kiko-phone: I'll be writing an e-mail to the Plone developers list; I'd like to get funding for the stats feature; if you could tell me if this would help, and in any case, when we could land this, that'd be very helpful | 21:59 |
| kiko-phone | nouri, hmmm. so you can tell them this: | 22:00 |
| kiko-phone | a) you can host file downloads and give them to anyone in the world, unlimited space, unlimited bandwidth. even brazilians can download. | 22:01 |
| kiko-phone | b) we can give you webstats for plone downloads through a monthly report of some sorts | 22:01 |
| nouri | kiko-phone: That's great! | 22:01 |
| kiko-phone | c) we are committed to making this public with minimal hassle and while it does require engineering we can prioritize it for you. | 22:01 |
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| nouri | Thanks kiko! That's surely good news. | 22:02 |
| kiko | you're most welcome | 22:02 |
| kiko | launchpad is more fun because we care about you | 22:02 |
| kiko | that was meant to be d) but maybe they will find it cheesy | 22:03 |
| nouri | I sure have the feeling | 22:03 |
| nouri | hehe | 22:03 |
| kiko | phew my phone will not stop ringing | 22:03 |
| kiko | nouri, there are a lot of improvements we will do to file downloads in the near future | 22:03 |
| kiko | so it's a good place to be | 22:04 |
| nouri | Nice | 22:04 |
| nouri | I'm sure everyone will agre | 22:04 |
| kiko | well we will find out about that. I know that sidnei has been talking about bug tracking and it's been mixed. if you need help ask me | 22:04 |
| nouri | Yeah, I've followed that discussion | 22:05 |
| kiko | sidnei is well-meaning but we will see if we can find a way of addressing the other concerns | 22:05 |
| kiko | okay let me get something to eat and reflect upon. | 22:11 |
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| ian_brasil | oo | 22:22 |
| bd_ | hmm, is it expected behavior that PPA builds should show 'pending' while there are idle xen builders? | 22:24 |
| bd_ | eg https://launchpad.net/~bdonlan/+archive/+build/457025 - iridium (xen-i386) is idle atm | 22:25 |
| kiko-fud | bd_, not really. | 22:25 |
| bd_ | I've noticed there are delays of a few hours in there anyway - I figured they might be deliberate, to discourage upload-builderror-tweak cycles. | 22:26 |
| bd_ | but otoh it could also be a bug :) | 22:26 |
| kiko-fud | looks like something's wrong. | 22:27 |
| bd_ | also do arch-indep builds always happen on i386? | 22:27 |
| bd_ | seems like rotating them might catch some more FTBFS errors :) | 22:28 |
| kiko-fud | bd_, it's just something specific to the implementation in soyuz I think. | 22:28 |
| kiko-fud | there is some rationale behind it but.. | 22:28 |
| bd_ | which is, the i386 arch-indep builds or the delays? | 22:29 |
| mpt_ | Gooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! | 22:31 |
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| bd_ | kiko-fud: seems to be going now | 22:34 |
| kiko-fud | bd_, it's kinda my fault. | 22:35 |
| bd_ | hm? | 22:35 |
| Rinchen | bd_, everything is kiko-fud's fault ;-) | 22:35 |
| bd_ | heh | 22:35 |
| Rinchen | bd_, like, making LP work :-) | 22:35 |
| bd_ | kiko-fud: what's with the samarium builder btw? It's been stuck in some sort of loop for ... well, since PPA was unveiled :) | 22:35 |
| bd_ | (perhaps there should be a more obvious place to report possible builder problems? There's no bugtracker or whatever for the Build Daemon Maintainers group) | 22:36 |
| kiko-fud | bd_, I'm waiting for celso to come back to fix it | 22:37 |
| kiko-fud | bd_, you have a very good question there. we will soon! | 22:38 |
| bd_ | ah, good to hear :) | 22:38 |
| bd_ | Will the PPA repositories purge superseded binaries to save space? I know you can't purge the sources for a few years in order to comply with the GPL, but the binaries should be fair game. | 22:39 |
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| kiko-fud | if the binaries are gone the source can go too | 22:40 |
| kiko-fud | and yes we purge both, bd_ | 22:41 |
| bd_ | kiko-fud: wouldn't the sources need to be distributed for three years under gpl-2 section 3.b? You're not actually sending the sources with the binaries... and the homepage linked from debian/copyright may not include patches applied to the debian source... | 22:42 |
| kiko-fud | bd_, I'm not sure, to be 100% honest, but I do know that Debian and Ubuntu do garbage collect sources and binaries. | 22:46 |
| somerville32 | The GPL is evil :/ | 22:47 |
| kiko-fud | so are kittens | 22:47 |
| somerville32 | But they're cute | 22:48 |
| bd_ | kiko-fud: mmm, debian has snapshot.debian.net of course... well, I'm no lawyer, so whatever. not my liability, right? :) | 22:49 |
| kiko-fud | we have everything in the librarian, too. just not linked to. :) | 22:49 |
| LaserJock | Ubuntu has the source archived, I believe for 3 years | 22:50 |
| bd_ | kiko-fud: ah, well, if it's in the librarian then I guess it's still available :) | 22:50 |
| LaserJock | although you may have to request the source rather than apt-get source | 22:51 |
| bd_ | though - does the quota only count stuff live at ppa.launchpad.net, or does it include archived/superceded stuff? | 22:51 |
| kiko-fud | bd_, only live stuff. | 22:52 |
| bd_ | ah, okay | 22:52 |
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| Flare183 | When is the PPA Class going to start? | 23:31 |
| LaserRock | 15:00 UTC | 23:33 |
| Flare183 | What's that in EST? | 23:33 |
| LaserRock | umm, 11:00 maybe | 23:34 |
| Flare183 | am? or pm? | 23:34 |
| LaserRock | am | 23:34 |
| LaserRock | it's 8am PST | 23:34 |
| Flare183 | ok thanks | 23:34 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172455 in malone ""Project" menu in project group bug-reporting page should be radio buttons" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172455 | 23:50 |
| kiko-fud | go mpt go | 23:50 |
| aa_ | hi, would be great (imo) if each project came with a built in wiki. Something really simple, maybe even with a mximum of 10 pages or so. Has this idea been discussed? | 23:57 |
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