| troy_s | somerville32: Xubuntu changing looks? Thank god. | 01:55 |
|---|---|---|
| somerville32 | : O | 01:55 |
| somerville32 | Whats wrong with our look? | 01:55 |
| somerville32 | I lovei t. | 01:55 |
| somerville32 | Gutsy was amazing. | 01:55 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Uh... moving on then. | 01:56 |
| somerville32 | lol | 01:56 |
| somerville32 | No no, you don't get off that easy | 01:57 |
| troy_s | somerville32: I fear I must. :) | 01:57 |
| somerville32 | :P | 01:58 |
| somerville32 | troy_s, You're now expected to help with Xubuntu artwork. | 01:59 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Nope. You have jmak and he has been loyal and dedicated. | 01:59 |
| troy_s | somerville32: I gurgled to myself when I saw the Gutsy work though. It scared me. | 01:59 |
| somerville32 | ... | 02:00 |
| somerville32 | We got a lot of positive reviews for Gutsy's artwork | 02:00 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Evaluating design in our little world is a sheltered and closed circle filled with a lot of people who like to play follow the leader. | 02:01 |
| somerville32 | Well, don't spit at it unless you're willing to polish it :P | 02:02 |
| troy_s | somerville32: It isn't spitting honestly. | 02:03 |
| troy_s | somerville32: My main issue (and it generally echoes some of the feedback I have received from more 'mainstream' folks) was that it was an extremely heavy handed replication of duplication. | 02:03 |
| troy_s | somerville32: In terms of the suffering wet-floor-itus. | 02:03 |
| troy_s | somerville32: But don't take my word for it. | 02:04 |
| * somerville32 blinks. | 02:04 | |
| Toma- | troy_sā id love to hear what you have to say about UI design :) | 02:05 |
| troy_s | Toma-: I dont' think anyone cares about what I have to say about anything really. It is why I idle in this little cave. | 02:06 |
| troy_s | lol | 02:06 |
| Toma- | awww :< | 02:06 |
| troy_s | Toma-: Do you subscribe to the ubuntu art mailing list? | 02:07 |
| Toma- | no, but i probably should | 02:07 |
| troy_s | Toma-: There are some interesting discussions at times. | 02:09 |
| Toma- | I just subscribed | 02:09 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Sorry... where are the reviews that you were speaking of? I would be interested to read them. | 02:09 |
| troy_s | Toma-: Be warned. But you might find something interesting. | 02:09 |
| Toma- | troy_sā Im one of those folks that wants desperatly to break free of the mould | 02:10 |
| troy_s | Toma-: In what respect? You mean for default Ubuntu design? | 02:10 |
| Toma- | doubt itll happen in ubuntu | 02:10 |
| Toma- | general UI design | 02:10 |
| Toma- | my current desktop im making http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17fireball.png | 02:11 |
| Toma- | works faster than KDE or gnome | 02:11 |
| troy_s | Toma-: Well the main stumbling block is probably twofold on that count. 1) Free software requires that certain things are constant in the realm of UI or else you break stuffs. | 02:11 |
| troy_s | 2) Breaking into interesting ground requires folks who code things. Thus far, the more 'exemplary' candidates are byproducts of imitation. Rather like stage one of art -- first you imitate / mimic. | 02:12 |
| troy_s | Toma-: And yes, rasterman has done quite a bit of benchmarking and memtesting to prove that E is pretty top shelf in terms of lean. | 02:13 |
| Toma- | gtk and qt are such horrible pigs on a design level and on a memory level :( | 02:15 |
| troy_s | kwwii: Ping. | 02:29 |
| troy_s | somerville32: So what are the changes that JMak is trying to implement? | 02:31 |
| somerville32 | troy_s, Panel layout | 02:31 |
| somerville32 | New icon | 02:31 |
| somerville32 | New the | 02:31 |
| somerville32 | *icons | 02:31 |
| somerville32 | *themes | 02:31 |
| troy_s | somerville32: What stylings is he thinking? | 02:31 |
| somerville32 | I'm not an artist and can't articulate | 02:32 |
| somerville32 | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork | 02:32 |
| troy_s | somerville32: So clearly there is a little 'shakeup' in the Xubuntu camp? | 02:33 |
| somerville32 | Well, it won't be me committing the changes to revert the our panel layout policy | 02:34 |
| troy_s | ? | 02:35 |
| troy_s | aside from the panel moving to the left, what is different? | 02:35 |
| troy_s | looks virtually identical. | 02:35 |
| troy_s | or am i stupid and or missing something. | 02:36 |
| troy_s | lol | 02:36 |
| troy_s | (also immensely possible) | 02:36 |
| troy_s | somerville32: What do you mean it 'wont be you'? | 02:39 |
| somerville32 | Look at Hardy | 02:42 |
| somerville32 | The panel is like the default xfce desktop | 02:42 |
| somerville32 | and the NouveX icons I think | 02:42 |
| somerville32 | And I mean what I say, I won't make the changes | 02:43 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Ah. So you are grounding your feet on the move then? | 02:45 |
| somerville32 | Well, I'm not just going to go ahead and make it | 02:46 |
| somerville32 | and we've been clear that we're not going to change the panel layout -we want it like gnome's default layout | 02:46 |
| troy_s | well then, all is well and good, no? | 02:49 |
| somerville32 | I do want to see progress with the look and feel | 02:53 |
| somerville32 | This is a LTS | 02:53 |
| troy_s | somerville32: So you want more blue then? | 02:56 |
| somerville32 | Not although blue is in heavy in our pallet | 02:56 |
| somerville32 | *No | 02:56 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Oh you have a palette. Great. Where is it? | 02:56 |
| * somerville32 grovels. | 02:57 | |
| somerville32 | I dunno :P | 02:58 |
| somerville32 | Our art team is a one man effort, all our eggs are in one basket | 02:58 |
| somerville32 | There is no documentation, no anything | 02:59 |
| somerville32 | It is locked in | 02:59 |
| troy_s | somerville32: He has been loyal and true it seems. Perhaps, given that, the team should let him have a kick at the can? | 02:59 |
| troy_s | brb ... restarting x. BOrK3d. | 02:59 |
| somerville32 | I don't have a problem with Jmak | 02:59 |
| somerville32 | I think he has done excellent work | 02:59 |
| somerville32 | I don't have a problem with Jmak | 03:00 |
| somerville32 | I think he has done excellent work | 03:00 |
| troy_s | evil nasty little panels that won't go away. | 03:00 |
| troy_s | grr. | 03:00 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Let me rephrase this... and it applies across the board to all of Free Software... | 03:00 |
| troy_s | somerville32: What are you fearful of? The 'product' is free. Heaven knows that with the awful default design and work present in the offical *buntus that we know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that art / design won't scare people away. | 03:01 |
| troy_s | somerville32: As a result, I am curious as to what everyone's worry is exactly... | 03:01 |
| troy_s | somerville32: It isn't like there is a hotbed of millions of customers paying and waited with baited breath... | 03:02 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Follow me? | 03:02 |
| somerville32 | There is a hotbed of people, though | 03:03 |
| troy_s | somerville32: There are some very minor limited numbers... yes. | 03:03 |
| somerville32 | I'd rather try to please than not to please | 03:04 |
| somerville32 | Thats why I'm working on the distro | 03:04 |
| somerville32 | To make it better | 03:04 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Ahhhhhhhhhhh the root of the issue. | 03:04 |
| troy_s | somerville32: And please is a universal term that is easy to point to correct and incorrect approaches when it comes to art and design? | 03:04 |
| somerville32 | I | 03:05 |
| somerville32 | am not an artist. | 03:05 |
| somerville32 | I just want something that looks good for my users | 03:05 |
| troy_s | somerville32: If that were the case, one could make a strong case that in fact all of the *buntu's have gotten it completely incorrect as current user base is far behind even the distant second place Apple. | 03:05 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Your users? | 03:05 |
| troy_s | somerville32: And you think you are in a clear position to make that decision? | 03:05 |
| somerville32 | I take personal responsibility for Xubuntu | 03:05 |
| somerville32 | There is only like 3 of us working on it | 03:06 |
| somerville32 | (Directly) | 03:06 |
| somerville32 | I don't feel that I can pick the best theme | 03:06 |
| somerville32 | Or the best colours | 03:06 |
| somerville32 | Thats why I want people to get involved in Xubuntu artwork | 03:06 |
| troy_s | somerville32: I have studied art and design for a good five years, as well as practised art, photography, and several other worthless creative tidbits for a good 12 after that. I would say that with that rather limited experience, I have _no_ clue what is 'good' for a given user base when it comes down to it. | 03:06 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Which is why, I suppose, I question your authoritarian position on 'good' -- being a nebulous and completely empty term if not mired in context. | 03:07 |
| somerville32 | Obviously our perspectives on the issue are different but I think we can both agree that the goal is develop something, at the LCD, is attractive | 03:07 |
| somerville32 | I think what we have is "good" | 03:07 |
| somerville32 | I enjoy i | 03:07 |
| somerville32 | *it | 03:07 |
| somerville32 | Looks nice but I'm sure it could look better, can't it? | 03:08 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Sure, but you are but one of many many many people. Do you think Xubuntu attracts people based on its default look / design / work? | 03:08 |
| _MMA_ | somerville32: 3 active? Wow. I feel a little better about our position. | 03:08 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Better and good. I have a tough time following those terms. | 03:08 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: How do you kill the damn gnome panel. I did it once, now I can't do it again. | 03:09 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: I thought it was pkill but it refuses to die. | 03:09 |
| _MMA_ | Oh hell I forgot. Ill look. | 03:09 |
| nothlit | killall gnome-panel | 03:09 |
| somerville32 | All I know is that how it looks may affect how people interact and/or appreciate the distribution. | 03:09 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Sure, and one could argue that given the seriously amazing technology that the Ubuntus are flailing poorly at that. | 03:10 |
| troy_s | nothlit: No good... it resurrected itself. | 03:10 |
| Toma-- | screenshots are easier to download than isos | 03:10 |
| nothlit | oh | 03:10 |
| nothlit | then take it out of system -> Preferences -> Sessions | 03:10 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Again, if Xubuntu isn't in a position to at least experiment with its rather conservative changes, does that bode well for anything / anyone? | 03:10 |
| somerville32 | We're open to change | 03:11 |
| somerville32 | But we are conservative, it seems | 03:11 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Clearly that isn't the case. | 03:11 |
| Toma-- | _MMA_ā any thoughts on a new ubuntustudio concept? | 03:11 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Is there perhaps a middle ground that the three of you can agree upon? | 03:12 |
| somerville32 | I think I can we're happy to consider artwork changes | 03:12 |
| somerville32 | But I'm tired of unproductive discussion on the developer mailing list | 03:13 |
| somerville32 | I'd like to see more art-art people get involved | 03:13 |
| somerville32 | Get other ideas flowing | 03:13 |
| troy_s | somerville32: My only thing to say would be that perhaps, in our current world, if Free Software isn't free to make changes and morph (perhaps 'radical' ones at times) -- do we have any lifeblood or strength left? | 03:13 |
| troy_s | somerville32: How do you plan on attracting +real+ artists (who are known historically to challenge norms and perception) when you aren't willing to even make a change that a loyal team mate is considering? | 03:14 |
| somerville32 | We are considering all the changes he proposes | 03:14 |
| somerville32 | But whats happening is just random banter | 03:14 |
| troy_s | somerville32: So the question is, if you would like to see "more art-art people" -- how do you see them fit into the picture? | 03:15 |
| troy_s | nothlit: HELP IT WONT DIE | 03:15 |
| troy_s | lol | 03:15 |
| troy_s | nothlit: ITS LIKE A BAD ED WOOD MOVIE | 03:15 |
| troy_s | (how the hell did I do it?) | 03:16 |
| Toma-- | xkill, then click it? | 03:16 |
| === Toma-- is now known as Toma- | ||
| somerville32 | As an effective working body that develops concrete art proposals | 03:16 |
| _MMA_ | Toma--: For now it will be a flatter look still. Use photos where we can and use the current logo. Will look like this minus the desktop icons. http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2778/screenshot3nr7.png | 03:16 |
| _MMA_ | And the icons are up in the air for now. | 03:16 |
| troy_s | AHHHH DID IT. phew... sessions tab. Thanks nothlit | 03:17 |
| _MMA_ | Shit. I have to host it somewhere else. | 03:17 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Hrm. So jmak's aren't concrete? | 03:17 |
| Toma- | Hmmm a photo you say | 03:17 |
| somerville32 | I didn't say that | 03:17 |
| somerville32 | Thats how I see "more art-art people" fitting in | 03:18 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Ah. | 03:18 |
| * Toma- doesnt even have a camera ;( | 03:18 | |
| somerville32 | troy_s, Are you interested? :] | 03:18 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Not a chance. | 03:18 |
| somerville32 | Why not? lol | 03:19 |
| _MMA_ | Toma-: http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/9370/screenshot3tj6.jpg | 03:19 |
| _MMA_ | (minus the icons. | 03:19 |
| troy_s | somerville32: I think it would be a disservice to jmak (who regardless of what one thinks of his work has gotten the job done reliably for gosh knows how long). | 03:20 |
| Toma- | _MMA_ā gloss is back hey? | 03:20 |
| troy_s | somerville32: As well as well... making blue cloudy curves isn't... uh... | 03:20 |
| troy_s | somerville32: Remotely good for Free Software. | 03:20 |
| _MMA_ | Toma-: There's no gloss. | 03:20 |
| Toma- | that panel is gloss | 03:20 |
| _MMA_ | No. | 03:20 |
| troy_s | Toma-: Have you seen _MMA_ 's attempt to illustrate the DIY look? | 03:20 |
| Toma- | no.. | 03:21 |
| Toma- | ive seen some interesting concepts for it tho | 03:21 |
| troy_s | Toma-: He did some very very good work in accumulating what DIY is to a layman that might not be aware of it. | 03:21 |
| Toma- | hehe | 03:21 |
| troy_s | Toma-: It is evocative of the punk era (and in fact that is where it originated) and generally 'feels' like photocopied and distressed work. | 03:22 |
| _MMA_ | Ill get it done. Even if it doesnt make this release. ;) | 03:22 |
| Toma- | :P | 03:22 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: Yeah... _that_ is a great attitude. The will to stick with it and realize that it might not happen is damn respectable and admirable. | 03:22 |
| _MMA_ | I gotta. I made hoodies with the distressed logo all over it. :) | 03:22 |
| Toma- | i chucked a couple of my things up on gnome look | 03:22 |
| troy_s | Toma-: Have a look at _MMA_ 's page. | 03:23 |
| Toma- | link? | 03:23 |
| troy_s | Toma-: The hard thing is to try and take the classic stylings and contemporize them possibly. | 03:23 |
| _MMA_ | Toma-: you've seen that damn link 100 times. | 03:23 |
| Toma- | ....the wiki link? | 03:24 |
| _MMA_ | Si | 03:24 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: Where are you on wallpapers, just so I know that these mocks aren't a complete waste of time (Did that already once this cycle thanks (not with you) :) ). | 03:24 |
| Toma- | Did you see this nilux guys idea for a GTK theme? | 03:25 |
| Toma- | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/DIYConcept/Theme | 03:25 |
| Toma- | I dont think theres a gtk engine that could do it, but it would be rather spiffy | 03:25 |
| _MMA_ | troy_s: I got a bunch of wall ideas. Thats really not the problem. Its that damn icon set. Along with the fact that I really dont think out theme fits no matter how flat I make it. :( | 03:26 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: Well... erm... granted the iconscape is pitiful -- what is wrong with offering a contrast on that level? | 03:26 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: The bulk of the execution is going to fall on the standard keystones -- that usplash / logon / wallpaper. | 03:27 |
| _MMA_ | I dont know what you mean by the latter half. "contrast on that level"? | 03:27 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: I am just wondering if it will end up being too pedantic and monotonous maybe if it tries to 'be like the bigger picture'? | 03:27 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: Maybe a highly realistic set devoid of the nasty 'hey let's do that hideously dated gloss' thing might work? | 03:28 |
| Toma- | Those icons remind me of the high contrast themes available in KDE and the gnome accessability themes. | 03:28 |
| Toma- | and to a lesser extent, the gtk theme aswell | 03:28 |
| _MMA_ | Oh sure, but which. I just started to get the feeling that this concept is too much trial and error than I could handle by myself. Especially where the icons were concerned. | 03:29 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: Well icons are such a strange creature. I am simply thinking hey -- maybe anchor the look with a lovely bold and well designed wallpaper -- round it out with the gdm usplash variant -- and test fly a few icon sets against the wallpaper? | 03:30 |
| Toma- | what if you were to use a icon theme from mattahan (gant/buuf)? | 03:31 |
| _MMA_ | I could create the parts, and independently they look good but together some things were starting to look a mess. Thats where I needed halp. Another eye. And while wallpapers are appreciated, it almost seems any monkey can make one. Its much harder to do a icon theme, usplash or GDM. | 03:32 |
| _MMA_ | Toma-: While I love them, it wouldnt fly. | 03:32 |
| Toma- | Why not? | 03:32 |
| _MMA_ | Too cartoonish. | 03:32 |
| troy_s | buuf | 03:32 |
| troy_s | lol | 03:32 |
| troy_s | i was just looking at them | 03:32 |
| Toma- | fantastic for punk | 03:32 |
| troy_s | lol | 03:32 |
| _MMA_ | And Im unsure about the license. | 03:32 |
| troy_s | buuf is so stylized... | 03:33 |
| _MMA_ | No. I dont think they fit at all for it. | 03:33 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: Actually, I honestly think the wallpaper is probably the biggest hitchpin to the thing working or not. | 03:33 |
| _MMA_ | Beautiful but no. | 03:33 |
| * Toma- gets to work on a Buuf+Wallpaper :) | 03:33 | |
| troy_s | it needs to be one part diy with that ever soooooooo delicate contemporary twist of something.. | 03:33 |
| _MMA_ | troy_s: Sure its key but its easy to get people to make 'em. | 03:34 |
| Toma- | Buuf = "Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 License." | 03:34 |
| _MMA_ | I needed help on the rest. | 03:34 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: Have you considered trying to get Lith? | 03:34 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: Lith is pretty much spot on is it not? | 03:34 |
| _MMA_ | "troy_s: it needs to be one part diy with that ever soooooooo delicate contemporary twist of something.." I completely agree. And its driving me nuts. | 03:34 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: And who knows... maybe a decently executed contemporary icon set (ack hate to say vista inspirate) or something would provide good contrast in terms of content to almost work? | 03:35 |
| _MMA_ | troy_s: Sure. I thought about it. Im honestly a little hesitant about asking and unsure if I would get .svg's. (or .ai's) | 03:36 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: Lith is still feels as close to 'yep' but maybe its too much. | 03:36 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: Who knows... maybe ask him? Surely he must know of the buntu's and who knows how he woudl respond. | 03:36 |
| _MMA_ | troy_s: Problem was with playing with Lith on top of a similarly styled wallpaper is that it got messy. | 03:36 |
| _MMA_ | Hard to see the icons on the desktop. | 03:37 |
| _MMA_ | In Nautilus they were ok. | 03:37 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: Well that is what I mean (although again, it is hard to know without a decent wallpaper and even then, in context of natilus is probably more important than purely on desky) | 03:37 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: Grr... you typed it before I said it. | 03:37 |
| _MMA_ | ;) | 03:37 |
| _MMA_ | But I've resigned myself to making it a longer term project. This Hardy theme will come along fine. I removed the gloss but have a slight sheen. Slight gradient. I'm gonna use photos where I can. I have emailed Tonic about the Usplash with concepts. | 03:40 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: Even 'gnomish' might work? | 03:40 |
| _MMA_ | I have one guy that did a nice GDM Ill contact again. | 03:41 |
| * _MMA_ looks. | 03:41 | |
| _MMA_ | troy_s: You have a link? | 03:41 |
| * _MMA_ cant readily find them. | 03:41 | |
| troy_s | _MMA_: I think they are pretty flat toned... and monochromaticish... | 03:42 |
| troy_s | http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Gnomish+SVG?content=21296 | 03:42 |
| _MMA_ | Ahh yes. I remember. | 03:43 |
| troy_s | its such a hard thing to try and add a compliment to | 03:43 |
| _MMA_ | I can hear now the amount of people screaming how ugly it is. | 03:43 |
| troy_s | LOL | 03:43 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: Yeah well they are the same ones voting the ninja ubuntu cof up to 80% | 03:43 |
| troy_s | llooool | 03:43 |
| _MMA_ | :) | 03:44 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: Honestly, I would probably worry as hell on the default wallpaper and how to present the Usplash (as the GDM would probably be a wallpaper variant (NOT the same fricking thing)) | 03:44 |
| _MMA_ | For the DIY look? | 03:45 |
| hbons | be sure not to get rid of the gdm "drum" sound, i love it:) | 03:45 |
| _MMA_ | hbons: We're talking about Ubuntu Studio. | 03:45 |
| hbons | oh well:) | 03:46 |
| _MMA_ | troy_s: For Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio-Hardy I git this guy in the channel. Not that I like the glossy look but I think there are some interesting ideas in this set. http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Minimal-perception?content=68146&PHPSESSID=7de31c485c5a07c247b67dffbb37e750 | 03:46 |
| _MMA_ | s/git/got | 03:46 |
| _MMA_ | He sent me some variants with the gloss removed and some color variants. | 03:47 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: I know you have, but you went to kde-look too right? | 03:50 |
| _MMA_ | Not lately. | 03:50 |
| troy_s | although i am convinced that if more people spent less time dreaming up names and more time on the work it might be better. | 03:51 |
| troy_s | lol | 03:51 |
| _MMA_ | :) | 03:51 |
| _MMA_ | And on that note, I'm gonna try to sleep. I'm getting sick and want to try to get to bed before I feel too bad. | 03:52 |
| troy_s | aight | 03:53 |
| troy_s | night | 03:53 |
| zniavre | hello is it possible to get roundness menus in gnome please ? | 10:05 |
| kwwii | zniavre: right, I'll get right on that | 10:23 |
| andreasn | hi kwwii | 10:30 |
| kwwii | hi andreasn | 10:31 |
| kwwii | andreasn: how's things? | 10:31 |
| andreasn | what's up? | 10:31 |
| kwwii | hehe, you first :-) | 10:31 |
| andreasn | pretty good, finishing up some work | 10:31 |
| kwwii | yeah, I am still working on putting this presentation together | 10:31 |
| andreasn | I was thinking of trying to learn how to do patches today | 10:31 |
| andreasn | let's see how it goes | 10:31 |
| kwwii | we'll make a geek of you yet | 10:31 |
| andreasn | when were you going to held the presentation? | 10:31 |
| kwwii | dec. 5th | 10:32 |
| andreasn | hope it goes well, and that you're able to decide on the colors | 10:32 |
| andreasn | so you can return home somethime this year :) | 10:32 |
| kwwii | yeah, me too | 10:32 |
| kwwii | hi nothlit | 10:46 |
| kwwii | I have a definite answer on the artwork licence, if anyone is interested | 10:46 |
| kwwii | we will be using cc-sa for the artwork (and no, there is no reason to discuss it as it is not my decision) | 10:47 |
| === Toma-- is now known as Toma- | ||
| _MMA_ | Mandarancid: We wont know anything "from the boss" until after the 5th of December. | 14:33 |
| Mandarancid | _MMA_:OK Thanks!! | 14:34 |
| _MMA_ | No problem. | 14:34 |
| Toma- | I propose all check boxes be replaced with smileys in next release. http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/smiley.png | 14:47 |
| Toma- | :) | 14:47 |
| _MMA_ | No. Ponies. | 14:49 |
| Toma- | Hmm. Ill have to work the gradients! lets see if its possible | 14:49 |
| _MMA_ | :P | 14:49 |
| === andreasn_ is now known as andreasn | ||
| lapo | hi | 15:14 |
| === d33p__ is now known as luisbg | ||
| knowmad | hi, is this an appropriate channel for discussion usplash customization issues? | 21:01 |
| === cody-somerville_ is now known as somerville32 | ||
| troy_s | <zniavre> hello is it possible to get roundness menus in gnome please ? | 23:59 |
| troy_s | No. | 23:59 |
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