[03:03] <LaserJock> ryanakca: should I just add it to the end of the current topic?
[03:04] <ryanakca> LaserJock: sure, or before the Open Week blurb... up to you. Knock off the transcripts part if you need to and I'll add it back Thursday.
[03:09] <LaserJock> ryanakca: darn, I need ops to change the topic
[03:09] <LaserJock> ryanakca: can you take ops?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> you should have been able to do that yourself, LaserJock
[03:10] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I can't remember the command and I'm still in irssi
[03:11] <LaserJock> is that all right or we need more description
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ah yes, true
[03:12] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I did try once though
[03:13] <LaserJock> mwuahahaha, I figured it out
[03:13] <ryanakca> :D
[03:13] <LaserJock> yes, I am an IRC newb ;-)
[03:13]  * ryanakca wonders if opping someone else shows who it's from... LaserJock... you'll mind being the guinea pig? No? Thanks :D
[03:14] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: no it doesnt, as i op'd him first
[03:14] <ryanakca> hmmm... what's the deop command
[03:14] <ryanakca> Ah... I thought he had figured that out himself
[03:14] <Hobbsee> well, depends if you use the op/deop thing on screen, or msg chanserv for it, i think
[03:15] <ryanakca> Ah, I see see. So, if you're ops, and use /op or /deop, it shows from you... but chanserv is by chanserv.
[03:15] <ryanakca> Hmm... But I would think that ChanServ might want to show who sends the command... that way some rogue corrupt person on the access list can't take over the channel without anybody knowing who the rogue person is.
[03:16] <Hobbsee> well, my /op and /deop are aliases - no idea what yours do
[03:16]  * ryanakca shrugs... irssi defaults... maybe /mode +o nick or /mode #channel -o nick... *shrugs*
[03:40] <IdleOne> ryanakca: a person could not take over the channel because there is a registered "owner" with chanserv who could always just take it back
[03:41] <IdleOne> unless that person had the owner password and changed the ownership
[03:42] <IdleOne> not to mention this channel is reg'ed to nalioth who is a Staffer so forget about taking the channel
[03:43] <ryanakca> IdleOne: yeah, but, the "owner" would have to question each and every person on the list to find out who at least kick-banned everybody, right?
[03:43] <ryanakca> IdleOne: no, but in general...
[03:43] <IdleOne> chanserv logs all that
[03:43] <ryanakca> eh, I guess :)
[03:43] <IdleOne> opers can check and see if they needed to
[03:44] <IdleOne> well the services admin could check
[03:44] <IdleOne> not just any staffer
[03:44] <Hobbsee> the channel, in practice, belongs to the irc council
[03:44] <ryanakca> ₥e nods
[03:44] <ryanakca> wow... fancy /me there... herm. wonder how that happened.
[03:44]  * ryanakca nods
[03:45] <IdleOne> Hobbsee: the ubuntu irc council?
[03:45] <IdleOne> hmmm interesting
[03:45] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:45] <Hobbsee> (because it falls in the #ubuntu* namespace
[03:48] <IdleOne> takeovers are a thing of the past anyway even on networks like EFnet where there is no chanserv if a channel for some reason loses all ops there is a service that will join and give ops to the last know ops in that channel according to the logs
[03:51] <Hobbsee> irc council is known to take over "official" channels that don't follow the COC (and are not helpful to anyone - troll channels, basically)
[03:51] <Hobbsee> but apart from that, yes.
[03:52] <IdleOne> official troll channels? that makes no sense how did they get permission to start an official channel and then become trolls
[03:53] <Hobbsee> anyone can register a channel on freenode
[03:53] <Hobbsee> they didn't get permission - they registered it anyway
[03:56] <IdleOne> I see
[04:18] <nalioth> ryanakca: IdleOne: we have logs of _everything_ that goes on
[04:18] <nalioth> nobody can get away with any hijinx
[04:21] <IdleOne> nalioth: I did not doubt it. freenode is way to well organised to let some packet kiddies mess things up from what I can tell
[04:22] <nalioth> well, only ubuntu members can get ops here
[04:22] <nalioth> and select others
[04:22] <IdleOne> such as?
[04:22] <nalioth> so it's not likely that there will be any troubls
[04:22] <nalioth> IdleOne: the access list is public
[04:22] <IdleOne> does canonical staff get ops auto?
[04:22] <nalioth> nobody gets auto ops
[04:22] <IdleOne> or do they have to apply
[04:23] <IdleOne> well I mean are they added to the list of ubuntu ops
[04:23] <IdleOne> just because they work for canonical
[04:24] <IdleOne> besides Mark lol
[04:24] <nalioth> IdleOne: does the janitor that works for canonical need ops in here?
[04:24] <IdleOne> nalioth: if he comes on irc perhaps
[04:24] <IdleOne> hehe
[04:24] <IdleOne> I get your point
[04:24] <nalioth> or, how about anyone who manages to piggyback on canonicals wireless ?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: canonical people often don't need, nor want ops.  they're quite busy, and likely not interested in the operation of irc
[04:25] <IdleOne> I guess so
[04:26] <Hobbsee> they're not out to get you
[04:27] <IdleOne> out to get me?
[04:27] <IdleOne> hmmm
[04:28] <IdleOne> that is a strange comment
[04:29] <Hobbsee> as in, out to stop you doing sane things
[04:31] <IdleOne> Hobbsee: I am not exactly sure what you mean. I was not trying to imply that the staff of canonical was trying to stop me from doing anything. was just a question
[04:31] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: oh.  staff of canonical have nothing to do with irc.  none of them are on the council, and only one of them has ops in #ubuntu, and the like.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: i've seen lots of paranoia from various people
[04:31] <IdleOne> Hobbsee: lol nahh Im not like that
[04:32] <IdleOne> mnemtok right?>
[04:32] <IdleOne> or something like that
[04:32] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:32] <Hobbsee> mneptok
[04:32] <IdleOne> thats it
[04:32] <IdleOne> he rarely uses the @ though
[08:04] <Awe_Schitt> who is here?
[08:08] <Awe_Schitt> o well
[08:09] <Awe_Schitt> later