| nealmcb | @schedule | 00:22 |
|---|---|---|
| ubotu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: 29 Nov 14:00: Desktop Team Development | 01 Dec 19:00: Art Team | 00:22 |
| nealmcb | @schedule denver | 00:22 |
| ubotu | Schedule for America/Denver: 29 Nov 07:00: Desktop Team Development | 01 Dec 12:00: Art Team | 00:22 |
| musashi | !schedule | 01:50 |
| ubotu | Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases | 01:50 |
| ianmcorvidae | @schedule phoenix | 01:51 |
| ubotu | Schedule for America/Phoenix: 29 Nov 07:00: Desktop Team Development | 01 Dec 12:00: Art Team | 01:51 |
| nealmcb | @schedule denver | 01:56 |
| ubotu | Schedule for America/Denver: 29 Nov 07:00: Desktop Team Development | 01 Dec 12:00: Art Team | 01:56 |
| nealmcb | The colorado team will be having a meeting in here in 3 minutes | 01:57 |
| nealmcb | @time | 01:58 |
| ubotu | Current time in Etc/UTC: November 27 2007, 01:58:01 - Next meeting: Desktop Team Development in 2 days | 01:58 |
| MitchM | nealmcb, first topic :: Leadership Roles -> Deputy Team Lead | 01:59 |
| nealmcb | #startmeeting | 02:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 02:00. The chair is nealmcb. | 02:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 02:00 |
| nealmcb | [topic] attendance | 02:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: attendance | 02:01 |
| nealmcb | all here please say "aye" | 02:01 |
| FunnyLookinHat | aye | 02:01 |
| MitchM | aye | 02:01 |
| musashi | aye | 02:01 |
| btrigg | aye | 02:01 |
| nealmcb | (mootbot keeps a log of who said something) | 02:01 |
| tiborio | aye | 02:01 |
| nealmcb | [topic] Leadership Roles -> Deputy Team Lead | 02:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Leadership Roles -> Deputy Team Lead | 02:01 |
| MitchM | [IDEA] We need to assign a deputy team lead | 02:02 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: We need to assign a deputy team lead | 02:02 |
| MitchM | Are there any volunteers looking to fulfill this role? | 02:02 |
| btrigg | What are the responsibilities? | 02:02 |
| MitchM | Assiting me with planning meetings / finding locations / distributing cd's etc. | 02:02 |
| musashi | am i still education lead or is that a vote thing and not yet official? | 02:03 |
| MitchM | also acts as team lead in my absense | 02:03 |
| btrigg | Time requirements? | 02:03 |
| MitchM | You are the education lead musashi | 02:03 |
| musashi | okay, i'll stay that | 02:03 |
| musashi | if you want me to | 02:03 |
| MitchM | up to you musashi | 02:03 |
| MitchM | :) | 02:03 |
| musashi | you | 02:03 |
| musashi | 're the new dictator | 02:04 |
| MitchM | time requirements i'd say about 2 - 4 hours/week | 02:04 |
| MitchM | closer to the release party it goes up... | 02:04 |
| MitchM | as we try to find locations | 02:04 |
| MitchM | (which is still quite the project) | 02:04 |
| btrigg | Right. | 02:04 |
| musashi | might go up as we organize other events too | 02:04 |
| MitchM | aye. | 02:05 |
| MitchM | so it's hard to say overall contribution as we're trying to organize our efforts better at the current time | 02:05 |
| musashi | ask FunnyLookinHat how much time it takes | 02:05 |
| btrigg | Ok. Well, I'd love to do it, but I have school commitments that would come first, sorry. | 02:05 |
| MitchM | *nods* | 02:05 |
| MitchM | [IDEA] Ask the list again for a volunteer for the Deputy Team Lead | 02:05 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Ask the list again for a volunteer for the Deputy Team Lead | 02:05 |
| MitchM | topic -> regional leaders? | 02:06 |
| nealmcb | [topic] regional leaders? | 02:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: regional leaders? | 02:06 |
| MitchM | There was discussion at the release party to have seperate regional leaders | 02:07 |
| FunnyLookinHat | I'm sort of AFK | 02:07 |
| musashi | i think this would be a good idea but not sure how to implement | 02:07 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Sorry guys, take notes on the info you need from me. | 02:07 |
| MitchM | [idea] How can we implement a regional structure? | 02:07 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: How can we implement a regional structure? | 02:07 |
| MitchM | Does it make sense to seperate our CoLoCo into 'regions' based on current attendance and meetings? | 02:07 |
| musashi | maybe regional coordinators would be a better term | 02:08 |
| btrigg | I think we have some obvious divisions...Springs, GJ, Northern CO... | 02:08 |
| MitchM | *nods* | 02:08 |
| btrigg | But the Metro region may be a bit more packed. | 02:08 |
| musashi | i think it makes sense to have regional activities since we can't all get everywhere | 02:08 |
| btrigg | Agreed. | 02:08 |
| musashi | but team decisions need to be by the team not region | 02:09 |
| MitchM | yeah - it is very hard to organize something more than a handful of people can attend in any location... | 02:09 |
| MitchM | (i.e. meetings in boulder etc.) | 02:09 |
| btrigg | Yes. | 02:09 |
| musashi | yeah, i was the only one. thanks MitchM | 02:09 |
| btrigg | Plus, for me at least, it would be easier to have a meeting with the few folks who are interested and are close. | 02:09 |
| MitchM | I would have buddied up with ya musashi :D | 02:09 |
| MitchM | but i was detained... | 02:10 |
| musashi | no worries, i brought the family | 02:10 |
| MitchM | ah - very nice :D | 02:10 |
| MitchM | [idea] Regional events organized by 'regional coordinators' with Team decisions being done by the "team" | 02:10 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Regional events organized by 'regional coordinators' with Team decisions being done by the "team" | 02:10 |
| musashi | sounds good | 02:11 |
| btrigg | Agreed. | 02:11 |
| MitchM | So the turnout may be too small to really bring any conclusion to this; but it's a path we can pursue | 02:11 |
| MitchM | and we should bring this topic to the list | 02:11 |
| MitchM | [idea] regional meetings on the same day (with all involved logged into irc) | 02:11 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: regional meetings on the same day (with all involved logged into irc) | 02:11 |
| nealmcb | [idea] Important decisions should also be discussed on the mailing list | 02:12 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Important decisions should also be discussed on the mailing list | 02:12 |
| MitchM | +1 | 02:12 |
| btrigg | I think we've seen on the list that even irc meetings are tough to organize. | 02:12 |
| MitchM | anyone else have any leadership concerns? | 02:12 |
| MitchM | btrigg, yeah. Its a pain to be productive :D | 02:12 |
| * Whelpo mutters something about time wasting video games. | 02:12 | |
| musashi | +1 to that but are there any better options. seems a lot don't follow the list and some ignore when too much starts happening (spams the inbox and all) | 02:12 |
| btrigg | Open time is the factor for me. | 02:13 |
| musashi | we have over 100 members but only 10 -20 are moderately active it seems | 02:13 |
| btrigg | I'd love to be much more involved but it's a matter of what I can do and when. | 02:13 |
| musashi | [idea] how do we increase participation of all our members? | 02:14 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: how do we increase participation of all our members? | 02:14 |
| btrigg | laissez-faire? | 02:14 |
| MitchM | [idea] Obtain a monthly schedule for meetings | 02:14 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Obtain a monthly schedule for meetings | 02:14 |
| musashi | yes, but a lot signed up as members. how do we get them involved | 02:15 |
| MitchM | I believe if we dedicate a day/time to meetings (like today) | 02:15 |
| MitchM | we'll eventaully see more 'movement' in our IRC | 02:15 |
| btrigg | A loose hierarchy of "independent" leaders/coordinators who disseminate info to their regions? | 02:15 |
| musashi | +1 | 02:15 |
| btrigg | +1 | 02:15 |
| musashi | to both | 02:15 |
| MitchM | Vote to change topic to upcomming events? | 02:15 |
| nealmcb | [topic] attendance part two: everyone please state your name, so we can get better at matching irc nicks and email | 02:15 |
| MootBot | New Topic: attendance part two: everyone please state your name, so we can get better at matching irc nicks and email | 02:15 |
| nealmcb | Neal McBurnett | 02:15 |
| btrigg | Brett Trigg | 02:15 |
| siblog | simon engelbert | 02:15 |
| acomer | Alex Comer | 02:15 |
| MitchM | Mitch Mahan, Thornton | 02:15 |
| tiborio | Tibor Hetei | 02:16 |
| musashi | jim hutchinson | 02:16 |
| nealmcb | Boulder | 02:16 |
| spoke | Craig Maxwell | 02:16 |
| btrigg | Northglenn | 02:16 |
| EricTheGrey | John Edwards | 02:16 |
| Whelpo | Daniel Galecki | 02:16 |
| tiborio | Vail | 02:16 |
| musashi | fort collins | 02:16 |
| Whelpo | Westminster | 02:16 |
| MitchM | vote: topic -> Upcomming Events | 02:16 |
| nealmcb | [topic] upcoming events | 02:16 |
| siblog | littleton | 02:16 |
| MootBot | New Topic: upcoming events | 02:16 |
| MitchM | *nods* | 02:16 |
| EricTheGrey | Thornton | 02:16 |
| MitchM | as the education team lead musashi; have you had any more thoughts about organizing a 'library' gathering? | 02:17 |
| musashi | yes, but not sure what exactly to do | 02:17 |
| MitchM | [idea] Claim library space to offer 'free-tutoring' to people interested in ubuntu | 02:18 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Claim library space to offer 'free-tutoring' to people interested in ubuntu | 02:18 |
| musashi | my idea was to advertise in local libraries for a computer support day | 02:18 |
| MitchM | Would anyone like to help musashi with this project? | 02:18 |
| musashi | bring your box, we demo ubuntu and then help them with various issues including learning about ubuntu. | 02:18 |
| MitchM | I think it's a great idea - even more so if they let us Live! Ubuntu on their library computers | 02:19 |
| siblog | location? | 02:19 |
| musashi | i think it would be good to help windows users get more foss on their boxes too and such and not push ubuntu too much | 02:19 |
| MitchM | siblog, tbd | 02:19 |
| musashi | maybe a tech support / intro to foss computer fair | 02:19 |
| btrigg | Has the idea of install races come up? Any insight on that? | 02:20 |
| musashi | someone mentioned a computer first aid day or something like that | 02:20 |
| MitchM | [idea] Computer Aid Day | 02:20 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Computer Aid Day | 02:20 |
| musashi | ah, computer fair ala the health fairs | 02:20 |
| siblog | I would not mind helping out depending on time/location | 02:20 |
| musashi | see if we can't get a little news/tv blurb too | 02:21 |
| EricTheGrey | We'll have to make certain people nnow it's NOT a computer lab. Otherwise we'll end up with people bringing their windows machines in for spyware cleaning... | 02:21 |
| nealmcb | sounds fun. and the library would hopefully put it up on their calendar of events | 02:21 |
| MitchM | musashi, would you like to try and locate a central 'library' location and see if they'd allow such an activity? | 02:21 |
| musashi | EricTheGrey, i think that might be a good thing. while cleaning their box we mention ubuntu and hand them a cd | 02:21 |
| nealmcb | remember there are also the regular CLUE installfests in north and south denver metro area | 02:21 |
| musashi | MitchM, not sure about "central" but maybe a couple libraries along the front range | 02:22 |
| MitchM | *nods* | 02:22 |
| btrigg | EricTheGrey: Yes, but that would also be a good time to show goodwill, clean the spyware (if possible) and explain how Ubuntu is more resistant...demos, etc. | 02:22 |
| MitchM | if you could look into it and report back on our next irc meeting | 02:22 |
| MitchM | (which is not scheduled) | 02:22 |
| MitchM | that would be most helpful :) | 02:22 |
| musashi | nealmcb, i would like it to NOT be an install fest. more a help desk day where we push foss as a good solution | 02:22 |
| nealmcb | musashi: right - just good to be able to point them at such things | 02:23 |
| musashi | certainly we can add that too but i wouldn't want to compete | 02:23 |
| nealmcb | I've heard the clue folks can help with ubuntu and other distros | 02:23 |
| EricTheGrey | I would not mind helping out on either, depending on my available. time. | 02:23 |
| musashi | i.e. a different day would be good | 02:23 |
| MitchM | [idea] Assist users in general Windows woes while 'advertising' Foss/Ubuntu | 02:23 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Assist users in general Windows woes while 'advertising' Foss/Ubuntu | 02:23 |
| musashi | something like that | 02:23 |
| musashi | MitchM, i will contact some of the libraries and see if they are open to loaning the space | 02:24 |
| MitchM | excellent :) | 02:24 |
| musashi | and doing some of the advertising | 02:24 |
| MitchM | [idea] musashi will ask libraries for available space/accomodations and report back to the loco | 02:24 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: musashi will ask libraries for available space/accomodations and report back to the loco | 02:24 |
| nealmcb | [idea] hand out The Open Disc also | 02:24 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: hand out The Open Disc also | 02:24 |
| musashi | yep that to | 02:24 |
| musashi | too | 02:24 |
| nealmcb | [action] musashi will ask libraries for available space/accomodations and report back to the loco | 02:24 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: musashi will ask libraries for available space/accomodations and report back to the loco | 02:24 |
| MitchM | thanks :) | 02:25 |
| musashi | ooh, that sounds official | 02:25 |
| MitchM | very. | 02:25 |
| nealmcb | note also [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 02:25 |
| musashi | maybe mootbot can get my A in gear on my dissertation :) | 02:25 |
| nealmcb | though links are automatic if you paste a url | 02:25 |
| MitchM | [idea] LoCo IRC bug day | 02:25 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: LoCo IRC bug day | 02:25 |
| MitchM | anyone interested in holding a weekly/bi-weekly semi-bug day in #ubuntu-colorado? | 02:26 |
| Whelpo | I like the bug day idea | 02:26 |
| MitchM | Where we can go around Launchpad and help triage bugs? | 02:26 |
| btrigg | There are bugs? :-) | 02:26 |
| musashi | just the one | 02:26 |
| MitchM | always. grab your fly-swatter | 02:26 |
| musashi | !bug #1 | 02:27 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 | 02:27 |
| Whelpo | I sometimes find a bug but don't have the time/motivation to post it | 02:27 |
| btrigg | lol | 02:27 |
| MitchM | Whelpo, yuck :P | 02:27 |
| Whelpo | so having a "bug day" would help with the motivation | 02:27 |
| * nealmcb nods | 02:27 | |
| MitchM | Another decision for the list | 02:27 |
| MitchM | I'd prefer Sunday nights (when nothing is going on) | 02:27 |
| nealmcb | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay | 02:27 |
| musashi | great idea but not my strength | 02:28 |
| MitchM | but we'll have to get a general time assertation from the list | 02:28 |
| Whelpo | a weekend would definetly be better | 02:28 |
| MitchM | musashi, not all bugs deal with programming ;) | 02:28 |
| nealmcb | The next Hug Day is 28 November 2007, in all timezones. It will take place in #ubuntu-bugs on Freenode. | 02:28 |
| MitchM | musashi, some are simple and most just need closing/modifying | 02:28 |
| musashi | no but most are beyond me | 02:28 |
| nealmcb | see you then! | 02:28 |
| MitchM | :D | 02:28 |
| musashi | i put in a lot of time on answers | 02:28 |
| musashi | i'll someone else do bugs | 02:29 |
| Whelpo | maybe bug day could be added to the Coloco calender? | 02:29 |
| MitchM | vote -> LoCo Bug day? :: (to be brought to the list for judgement) | 02:29 |
| MitchM | +1 Whelpo | 02:29 |
| btrigg | [AGREED] | 02:29 |
| nealmcb | there are lots of ways both really easy and really advanced, to help with bugs - see the page for details | 02:29 |
| MitchM | [AGREED] | 02:30 |
| nealmcb | who will put the 28th on the calendar and wiki and web site and mail list or whereever else people look? | 02:30 |
| MitchM | Nick ! | 02:30 |
| nealmcb | [agreed] coloco will participate in bug day on the 28th | 02:30 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: coloco will participate in bug day on the 28th | 02:30 |
| musashi | nealmcb, i'm sure that's true but i already spend my fair share on launchpad. i'll be happy to support a bug day but probably won't participate. just not my forte | 02:30 |
| nealmcb | musashi: np! | 02:30 |
| nealmcb | you are awesome on answers! | 02:30 |
| musashi | well average maybe | 02:31 |
| musashi | i help when i can | 02:31 |
| MitchM | i'd prefer the loco bug day as opposed to the Ubuntu one; where i have time on sundays to triage (but lack motivation) | 02:31 |
| musashi | usually those dumber than me :) | 02:31 |
| musashi | s/dumber/less knowledgeable | 02:31 |
| MitchM | [AGREED] LoCo Bug Day -> Present Idea to List | 02:31 |
| MitchM | :P | 02:31 |
| MitchM | topic -> General Discussion | 02:31 |
| MitchM | topic -> CD's and Who Needs Them!? | 02:32 |
| MitchM | :D | 02:32 |
| musashi | just got my small batch but may not last long | 02:32 |
| nealmcb | [topic] CD's and Who Needs Them!? | 02:32 |
| MootBot | New Topic: CD's and Who Needs Them!? | 02:32 |
| Whelpo | I could use some CDs | 02:32 |
| MitchM | [idea] Send whelp CD's | 02:32 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Send whelp CD's | 02:32 |
| MitchM | :P | 02:33 |
| MitchM | whelpo* ! | 02:33 |
| siblog | I would like to help distribute some CDs | 02:33 |
| nealmcb | hmm - event I forgot - the BWA meeting at ncar tomorrow night, where we'll need lots of disks | 02:33 |
| Whelpo | I had to order some recently myself... only went for 2 | 02:33 |
| MitchM | [idea] Siblog would like to distribute CD's | 02:33 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Siblog would like to distribute CD's | 02:33 |
| MitchM | [idea] Bring CD's to BWA Meeting | 02:33 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Bring CD's to BWA Meeting | 02:33 |
| Whelpo | having CDs handy at work would be also good... been spready the joy slowly around | 02:33 |
| Whelpo | *spreading | 02:34 |
| MitchM | work has been a great place to spread ubuntu for me | 02:34 |
| MitchM | i placed some CD's in our lunch room | 02:34 |
| MitchM | most of them disspeared | 02:34 |
| MitchM | dissapeared* | 02:34 |
| siblog | me too :-) | 02:34 |
| Whelpo | hopefully didn't end up as coasters ;) | 02:34 |
| musashi | lol | 02:34 |
| MitchM | Whelpo, product placement ! | 02:34 |
| MitchM | all the better :P | 02:34 |
| Whelpo | lunchroom may = coasters | 02:35 |
| musashi | shove them in linux books at the book store (or windows books) | 02:35 |
| Whelpo | I like that one | 02:35 |
| tiborio | good one | 02:35 |
| nealmcb | MitchM: hopefully the cleaning crew or security didn't take them | 02:35 |
| MitchM | nealmcb, it was in the nicely presented 'cd box' | 02:35 |
| MitchM | so i doubt it :D | 02:35 |
| nealmcb | those boxes are great! | 02:36 |
| MitchM | yeah - they look so professional. | 02:36 |
| MitchM | brilliant idea | 02:36 |
| MitchM | alright -> whelpo needs cd's; maybe siblog | 02:36 |
| === Whelp1 is now known as Whelpo | ||
| MitchM | i'll try and get with you guys to give you some | 02:36 |
| Whelpo | Mitch, do you live where you hosted the release party? | 02:37 |
| musashi | i will need some eventually too but not right away | 02:37 |
| nealmcb | MitchM: are you coming to bwa? with a very professional box, and kubuntu also? | 02:37 |
| MitchM | Whelpo, not anymore; that was temporary | 02:37 |
| * nealmcb can be demanding | 02:37 | |
| nealmcb | :-) | 02:37 |
| siblog | yes please...I have some people at work interested | 02:37 |
| MitchM | nealmcb, url ? | 02:37 |
| Whelpo | ah, too bad since that's like right by me | 02:37 |
| MitchM | [idea] siblog also needs cd's | 02:37 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: siblog also needs cd's | 02:37 |
| nealmcb | on email - let me dig it out | 02:38 |
| MitchM | Whelpo, i live about 12 minutes away from there :) | 02:38 |
| Whelpo | oh, not too bad then | 02:38 |
| acomer | re: bwa meeting... are we actually invited? is this meeting open to the public? reading their page i got the impression that bwa expects folks to be a member to participate | 02:38 |
| MitchM | nah | 02:38 |
| nealmcb | http://www.bwa.org | 02:38 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://www.bwa.org | 02:38 |
| nealmcb | acomer: ahh - good question | 02:38 |
| nealmcb | but it was advertised to the rmiug... | 02:39 |
| acomer | from bwa.org: "Standard dues are $50/year (for new and nonvolunteering members)." | 02:39 |
| MitchM | http://www.bwa.org/calendar/general.htm | 02:39 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://www.bwa.org/calendar/general.htm | 02:39 |
| MitchM | acomer, "All meetings of Boulder Writers Alliance are free and open to the public." | 02:39 |
| acomer | hmm ok | 02:40 |
| btrigg | My personal opinion is that being militant at something like that drives more people away that causes them to join. | 02:40 |
| MitchM | on their calendar page | 02:40 |
| acomer | free buffet! | 02:40 |
| MitchM | ecellent !! | 02:40 |
| MitchM | ;D | 02:40 |
| acomer | i vote we attend all their meetings ;) | 02:40 |
| MitchM | topic -> IRC Meeting Times | 02:40 |
| acomer | hehe | 02:40 |
| musashi | MitchM, you need the [] for that to work :) | 02:41 |
| MitchM | no | 02:41 |
| MitchM | i need the anvil for that to work :D | 02:41 |
| nealmcb | btrigg: yeah. I would be upset if folks were anything but respectful and welcoming and not annoying | 02:41 |
| tiborio | yes. because they know where you live. | 02:41 |
| musashi | i meant the [topic] bit | 02:41 |
| nealmcb | [topic] irc meeting times | 02:41 |
| MootBot | New Topic: irc meeting times | 02:41 |
| musashi | like that ^^ | 02:41 |
| MitchM | Last monday of the month at 7pm ? | 02:41 |
| Whelpo | sounds good to me | 02:42 |
| MitchM | [topic] Why doesn't this work? | 02:42 |
| musashi | i'd go for bi-monthly | 02:42 |
| MitchM | [idea] bi-monthly meetings | 02:42 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: bi-monthly meetings | 02:42 |
| nealmcb | uh - dec 31st? | 02:42 |
| btrigg | [agreed] | 02:42 |
| MitchM | [agreed] Hold bi-monthly meetings | 02:42 |
| MitchM | nealmcb, of course not! | 02:42 |
| MitchM | nealmcb, goof :P | 02:42 |
| musashi | maybe only nealmcb can do that | 02:42 |
| MitchM | aye. | 02:42 |
| MitchM | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot | 02:43 |
| nealmcb | you just need to put text after [agreed].... | 02:43 |
| nealmcb | but to say "aye" the custom is to say just "+1" | 02:43 |
| nealmcb | it stands out nicely | 02:43 |
| btrigg | [agreed] Hold bi-monthly meetings | 02:43 |
| MitchM | only the chair can issue [agreed] | 02:43 |
| btrigg | Sorry. Got it. | 02:43 |
| MitchM | :D | 02:43 |
| * btrigg is a noob | 02:43 | |
| nealmcb | I think the topic is the only thing that only the person who said "#startmeeting" can do | 02:43 |
| musashi | +1 to meetings | 02:44 |
| nealmcb | or maybe votes also | 02:44 |
| tiborio | I would recommend monthly IRC meetings instead of bi-monthly | 02:44 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Yup. Monthly is better. | 02:44 |
| nealmcb | MitchM: cool - a guy that reads doc! | 02:44 |
| MitchM | perhaps to be revised at the next meeting? | 02:44 |
| MitchM | nealmcb, you bet ya! | 02:44 |
| Whelpo | I'm leaning towards Monthly myself | 02:44 |
| musashi | you'll hit more people with bi-monthly since some may miss one and 30 days is a long time to wait | 02:44 |
| * nealmcb considers whether to agree to bimonthly meetings.... | 02:44 | |
| nealmcb | :-) | 02:44 |
| MitchM | action -> Next meeting; January 28th 7pm | 02:45 |
| MitchM | +1 | 02:45 |
| nealmcb | I though bimonthly was twice a month.... | 02:45 |
| musashi | that's 2 months away | 02:45 |
| Whelpo | I was thinking that getting more people with bi-monthly may be good but anyone not attending both would be missing out | 02:45 |
| musashi | right, twice a month | 02:45 |
| MitchM | doh. | 02:45 |
| musashi | Whelpo, well, we can only do so much | 02:45 |
| btrigg | lol | 02:46 |
| MitchM | i was thinking every _2_ months. | 02:46 |
| Whelpo | lol | 02:46 |
| MitchM | [idea] Hold a meeting every 2 months ? | 02:46 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Hold a meeting every 2 months ? | 02:46 |
| nealmcb | dec 24th might hit some conflicts also.... | 02:46 |
| btrigg | What's 12/24? ;-) | 02:46 |
| * nealmcb likes monthly or every 2 weeks | 02:46 | |
| MitchM | Vote? | 02:46 |
| MitchM | monthly +1 | 02:46 |
| musashi | well dec may be a bad month but if we do 2 a month then months like dec are less an issue | 02:46 |
| Whelpo | monthly +1 | 02:46 |
| musashi | we'd still get one in | 02:46 |
| tiborio | monthly +1 | 02:46 |
| siblog | monthly +1 | 02:47 |
| nealmcb | [vote] all in favor of meetings every 2 weeks | 02:47 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: all in favor of meetings every 2 weeks. | 02:47 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 02:47 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 02:47 |
| MitchM | +1 | 02:47 |
| musashi | i still think bi will get more involvement even if most only go to one of them | 02:47 |
| MootBot | +1 received from MitchM. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 02:47 |
| musashi | we can stillhave the log | 02:47 |
| nealmcb | +1 | 02:47 |
| MootBot | +1 received from nealmcb. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 02:47 |
| nealmcb | for the time being at least | 02:47 |
| btrigg | +1 | 02:47 |
| MootBot | +1 received from btrigg. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 02:47 |
| MitchM | aye. | 02:48 |
| MitchM | it can always be revised | 02:48 |
| Whelpo | 0 | 02:48 |
| Whelpo | +0 | 02:48 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from Whelpo. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 02:48 |
| nealmcb | next we can vote on monthly, then every 2 months | 02:48 |
| nealmcb | or someone can figure out a better voting method :-) | 02:48 |
| musashi | +0 | 02:48 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from musashi. 3 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 02:48 |
| Whelpo | is there anyway to recover one's own password from NickServ? | 02:48 |
| * nealmcb wonders if there is a way to find out who hasn't voted | 02:49 | |
| nealmcb | [endvote] | 02:49 |
| MootBot | Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 2 abstained. Total: 3 | 02:49 |
| MitchM | bad results :S | 02:49 |
| nealmcb | [vote] all in favor of meetings every month | 02:49 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: all in favor of meetings every month. | 02:49 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 02:49 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 02:49 |
| nealmcb | -1 | 02:49 |
| MootBot | -1 received from nealmcb. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1 | 02:49 |
| tiborio | +1 | 02:49 |
| MootBot | +1 received from tiborio. 1 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0 | 02:49 |
| btrigg | -1 | 02:50 |
| MootBot | -1 received from btrigg. 1 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1 | 02:50 |
| MitchM | 0 | 02:50 |
| nealmcb | though actually I may prefer monthly - hard to think and scribe at the same time.... | 02:50 |
| MitchM | aye. | 02:50 |
| siblog | 0 | 02:50 |
| MitchM | +1 | 02:50 |
| MootBot | +1 received from MitchM. 2 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0 | 02:50 |
| musashi | didn't we just do this? | 02:50 |
| * MitchM has changed his tide. | 02:50 | |
| Whelpo | +1 | 02:50 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Whelpo. 3 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 02:50 |
| nealmcb | this is monthly, not every 2 weeks - we'll compare totals | 02:50 |
| MitchM | this is for monthly as oppsed to bi-monthly | 02:50 |
| musashi | i thought monthy was the first. | 02:51 |
| MitchM | me too. | 02:51 |
| * musashi is confused | 02:51 | |
| MitchM | *chuckles* | 02:51 |
| tiborio | For the future: we should have an online surveying capability on our website and post about specific surveys on the list to get more people to vote? | 02:51 |
| MitchM | [idea] add vote mechanism to website | 02:51 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: add vote mechanism to website | 02:51 |
| siblog | good idea ;-) | 02:51 |
| nealmcb | it doesn't matter who casts the votes - all that matters is who counts them muu hooo wwaaaaa | 02:51 |
| MitchM | [idea] set next meeting then plan 'reoccurence' of meetings | 02:51 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: set next meeting then plan 'reoccurence' of meetings | 02:51 |
| musashi | okay, i'm +1 for monthly but still think bi would be better so +2 for that | 02:51 |
| nealmcb | would someone be willing to send this one to the list? | 02:52 |
| MitchM | I will | 02:52 |
| nealmcb | [endvote] | 02:52 |
| MootBot | Final result is 3 for, 2 against. 0 abstained. Total: 1 | 02:52 |
| nealmcb | +1 to mitch | 02:52 |
| MitchM | [idea] ask list for occurence of meetings | 02:52 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: ask list for occurence of meetings | 02:52 |
| nealmcb | next meeting - can we manage one in dec? e.g. the 17th? | 02:52 |
| MitchM | [idea] Next Meeting -> dec 17th ? | 02:53 |
| nealmcb | (3 weeks :-) | 02:53 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: Next Meeting -> dec 17th ? | 02:53 |
| musashi | should work for me | 02:53 |
| MitchM | shound about right. | 02:53 |
| tiborio | works for me | 02:53 |
| MitchM | sounds* | 02:53 |
| nealmcb | woot! | 02:53 |
| btrigg | yes. | 02:53 |
| MitchM | topic -> last words ! | 02:53 |
| tiborio | famous? | 02:53 |
| nealmcb | [agreed] next meeting monday dec 17th | 02:53 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: next meeting monday dec 17th | 02:53 |
| musashi | but getting more than 6 or 7 would be nice | 02:53 |
| nealmcb | [topic] any more agenda items? | 02:54 |
| MootBot | New Topic: any more agenda items? | 02:54 |
| MitchM | [idea] ask for mootbot 24 hours ahead of time for #ubuntu-colorado | 02:54 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: ask for mootbot 24 hours ahead of time for #ubuntu-colorado | 02:54 |
| musashi | ubucon? | 02:54 |
| MitchM | [idea] ask for mootbot in #ubuntu-scribes | 02:54 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: ask for mootbot in #ubuntu-scribes | 02:54 |
| nealmcb | [topic] ubucon | 02:54 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ubucon | 02:54 |
| MitchM | When... where!? | 02:54 |
| MitchM | :D | 02:54 |
| musashi | boulder? | 02:54 |
| nealmcb | ubucon: The other night I peeked into the new Google office in Boulder - nice, good location. Prominent pingpong table and climbing wall just inside the entrance :-) We should do an ubucon there in January. Dates? | 02:54 |
| musashi | whenever it can be planned | 02:54 |
| musashi | +1 nealmcb | 02:55 |
| MitchM | +1 nealmcb | 02:55 |
| musashi | climbing wall? what a place to work | 02:55 |
| tiborio | yes. the stress make you climb up the wall! | 02:55 |
| tiborio | ;-) | 02:55 |
| musashi | idea --> how does a high school teacher get a job at google? | 02:55 |
| nealmcb | sat jan 12th? | 02:55 |
| tiborio | musashi: start it | 02:56 |
| siblog | noob question: what be ubucon? | 02:56 |
| MitchM | [idea] ubucon -> sat jan 12th? | 02:56 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: ubucon -> sat jan 12th? | 02:56 |
| MitchM | I'll probably be snowboarding - but i may be coerced into Ubuconing ! | 02:56 |
| nealmcb | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubucon-Boulder | 02:56 |
| musashi | !ubuncon | 02:56 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuncon - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 02:56 |
| musashi | !ubucon | 02:56 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about ubucon - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 02:56 |
| tiborio | how about asking the list on that? | 02:56 |
| musashi | darn | 02:56 |
| MitchM | +1 nealmcb to ask the list | 02:56 |
| nealmcb | [idea] if there is room, we should invite all the local lugs etc | 02:57 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: if there is room, we should invite all the local lugs etc | 02:57 |
| MitchM | +1 | 02:57 |
| musashi | but not the gentoo people :) | 02:57 |
| tiborio | is the space guaranteed? nealmcb | 02:57 |
| nealmcb | [agreed] nealmcb will check it out a bit more then post to the list about jan 12th ubucon at google | 02:57 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: nealmcb will check it out a bit more then post to the list about jan 12th ubucon at google | 02:57 |
| nealmcb | tiborio: they are very helpful, but specific dates need to be worked out | 02:58 |
| MitchM | idea -> all hail mitchm ! (Meeting closing?) | 02:58 |
| musashi | already? | 02:58 |
| nealmcb | [topic] more agenda items? | 02:58 |
| MootBot | New Topic: more agenda items? | 02:58 |
| MitchM | -1 : done with topics. | 02:59 |
| tiborio | about the leadership?? ;-) | 02:59 |
| MitchM | i'm bringing that to the list | 02:59 |
| nealmcb | tiborio: specifically? | 02:59 |
| MitchM | aye; specifics? | 02:59 |
| tiborio | never mind just kidding. :-) | 02:59 |
| nealmcb | the emperor has no clothes! [well we don't know, do we :-) | 02:59 |
| MitchM | :D | 02:59 |
| nealmcb | but the emperor doesn't have an irc cloak :-) | 03:00 |
| musashi | emperor == MitchM ? | 03:00 |
| * nealmcb nods | 03:00 | |
| nealmcb | "/whois mitchm" | 03:00 |
| nealmcb | anything else folks? | 03:00 |
| MitchM | n=mitchmah@unaffiliated/MitchM | 03:00 |
| MitchM | :DS | 03:00 |
| musashi | we can get a cloak right? just need to know where to ask and how | 03:01 |
| MitchM | you have to have the 'contacts' | 03:01 |
| MitchM | :D | 03:01 |
| tiborio | nothing else here :) | 03:01 |
| musashi | well, ubuntu members get one | 03:01 |
| nealmcb | "/whois mitchm" | 03:01 |
| nealmcb | much better.... | 03:01 |
| Whelpo | instead of shirts we should have gone for cloaks? | 03:01 |
| MitchM | :D | 03:01 |
| musashi | MitchM, is our leader | 03:01 |
| nealmcb | anyone can get a cloak, but special cloaks have special requirements | 03:02 |
| nealmcb | Whelpo: great idea. the goth look? | 03:02 |
| musashi | i want an invisibility cloak. that would be cool | 03:02 |
| nealmcb | or white cloaks? | 03:02 |
| MitchM | :D | 03:02 |
| nealmcb | time for #endmeeting? | 03:02 |
| MitchM | [:end:] | 03:02 |
| MitchM | *nods* | 03:02 |
| nealmcb | #endmeeting? | 03:02 |
| nealmcb | #endmeeting | 03:03 |
| MitchM | off-topic to -> -colorado | 03:03 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 03:03. | 03:03 |
| nealmcb | utc | 03:03 |
| MitchM | thanks everyone :D | 03:03 |
| tiborio | thank you all | 03:03 |
| musashi | yep-er-oni | 03:03 |
| MitchM | nealmcb, can you post a link to the meeting notes in our topic? | 03:03 |
| * nealmcb cheers for a quick meeting! | 03:03 | |
| nealmcb | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot | 03:03 |
| nealmcb | http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-meeting.20071127_0200.html | 03:04 |
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| kraut | moin | 13:21 |
| zul | @schedule montreal | 14:23 |
| ubotu | Schedule for America/Montreal: 29 Nov 09:00: Desktop Team Development | 01 Dec 14:00: Art Team | 14:23 |
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| nealmcb | @schedule denver | 15:57 |
| ubotu | Schedule for America/Denver: 29 Nov 07:00: Desktop Team Development | 01 Dec 12:00: Art Team | 15:57 |
| nealmcb | unscheduled server team meeting in 3 minutes.... | 15:57 |
| sommer | nealmcb: hey | 15:57 |
| nealmcb | sommer: howdy! | 15:57 |
| nijaba | hello | 15:57 |
| dendrobates | hi all. | 15:58 |
| nealmcb | thanks for the doc team commit | 15:58 |
| sommer | nealmcb: no problem at all | 15:58 |
| nealmcb | I just hope the gurus agree - and a more definitive statement on the lack of need for commercial certs for email would be nice | 15:58 |
| mathiaz | hi all ! | 15:59 |
| * coffeedude waves to * | 15:59 | |
| * ogra lurks | 15:59 | |
| dholbach | hey nealmcb | 16:00 |
| nealmcb | mathiaz: at the beginning of the meeting I suggest the first topic be "attendance" in which people say their names - that will help mootbot keep attendance and help improve communication and let us know who is here | 16:01 |
| * nealmcb hugs dholbach | 16:01 | |
| dendrobates | mathiaz will be running the meeting today, but I am here, just preoccupied. | 16:01 |
| * dholbach hugs nealmcb back :))) | 16:01 | |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: mootboot keeps track of who talks during the meeting. | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: it generates such a list at the end of the meeting. | 16:01 |
| nealmcb | mathiaz: right - and attendance gives folks a chance to say they were here even if they don't otherwise have something to say | 16:02 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: moreover people can arrive late withouth being noticed. | 16:02 |
| nijaba | mathiaz: I think nealmcb meant real names | 16:02 |
| nealmcb | that too | 16:02 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: irc nicknames make more sense I think. | 16:02 |
| nealmcb | e.g. valuable lurkers like ogra :-) | 16:02 |
| ogra | :) | 16:02 |
| nealmcb | mathiaz: well the nick would be saying the name so we'd have both | 16:02 |
| mathiaz | ok. let's get started then. | 16:02 |
| mathiaz | #startmeeting | 16:03 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 16:03. The chair is mathiaz. | 16:03 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:03 |
| * soren wanders in (confused) | 16:03 | |
| mathiaz | as suggested by nealmcb: who's around ? | 16:03 |
| nealmcb | Neal McBurnett | 16:03 |
| nijaba | Nicolas Barcet | 16:03 |
| soren | Soren Hansen | 16:03 |
| sommer | Adam Sommer | 16:03 |
| * ScottK is here | 16:03 | |
| coffeedude | Jerry Carter | 16:03 |
| mathiaz | Mathias Gug | 16:04 |
| dendrobates | Rick Clark | 16:04 |
| ScottK | ivoks sent regrets in the agenda, so he gets all the actions. | 16:04 |
| soren | \o/ | 16:04 |
| mathiaz | Today's agenda is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting | 16:05 |
| mathiaz | There isn't so much for now. | 16:06 |
| mathiaz | Anyone wants to add an item for discussion ? | 16:06 |
| soren | We need testing of the server stuff here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html kthxbye | 16:06 |
| soren | I just wanted to shout that. No discussion. Just do it. :) | 16:07 |
| coffeedude | mathiaz: re: the LDAP client tools I signed up for at UDS... | 16:07 |
| soren | coffeedude: Are the done? Whee! | 16:07 |
| coffeedude | soren: nope. | 16:07 |
| nxvl_work | soren: yes sir! | 16:07 |
| soren | aw.. | 16:07 |
| coffeedude | mathiaz: it will be a few more weeks before I can find the time. But still on the list. | 16:07 |
| coffeedude | mathiaz: do we have a spec up? | 16:08 |
| mathiaz | coffeedude: ok. | 16:08 |
| mathiaz | coffeedude: I think there is one somewhere. | 16:08 |
| coffeedude | mathiaz: I'll follow up after the meeting and track it down. | 16:08 |
| mathiaz | dendrobates was supposed to draft the client side of the ldap integration. | 16:08 |
| ScottK | When can we start doing MIR for stuff on the Hardy package list spec? | 16:09 |
| coffeedude | mathiaz: fair enough. I'll chat with dendrobates later then. | 16:09 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: that one of the spec too. | 16:09 |
| mathiaz | Ok so - let's move on to the next topic | 16:09 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: Yes. So when can we do the MIR? | 16:09 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting. | 16:10 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting. | 16:10 |
| * nealmcb forgets what MIR is, besides peace | 16:10 | |
| soren | And world. | 16:10 |
| ScottK | Main Inclusion Request | 16:10 |
| soren | Report. | 16:10 |
| ScottK | Yeah. That | 16:10 |
| mathiaz | Last meeting log: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20071120 | 16:10 |
| soren | We fixed the sudo bug thing. | 16:10 |
| mathiaz | Re sudo bug discussion: fixed ! | 16:11 |
| soren | Er... Well... We found it. | 16:11 |
| soren | And made an ammendment to the release notes about not using the "no config" option for postfix. | 16:11 |
| mathiaz | soren: yes... | 16:11 |
| nealmcb | should we talk about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgrey/+bug/135038 | 16:11 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 135038 in db4.4 "postgrey fails regularly : "fatal: Can't call method "txn_commit" on an undefined value at /usr/sbin/postgrey line 223." (dup-of: 153996)" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:12 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 153996 in db4.4 "libdb4.4 in gutsy breaks postgrey and subversion" [Unknown,Fix released] | 16:12 |
| mathiaz | I've spent some time working on the Ruby On Rails spec | 16:12 |
| jdstrand | soren: is the installer fixed for hardy? | 16:12 |
| soren | jdstrand: Yes. | 16:12 |
| mathiaz | it has been approved. | 16:12 |
| jdstrand | soren: praise be to soren :) | 16:12 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: what about your JeOS tutorial ? | 16:12 |
| zul | hey | 16:12 |
| nijaba | mathiaz: first draft in review | 16:12 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: where ? | 16:13 |
| soren | It's awaiting my review. Just like 27.000 other things. But I'm not bitter. | 16:13 |
| nijaba | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOS | 16:13 |
| mathiaz | ivoks started to work on dovecot+postfix integration. | 16:13 |
| nealmcb | nijaba: cool - I'll look at it!! | 16:14 |
| mathiaz | the proposal is to use a postinst script in the mail-server task. | 16:14 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: I asked a guy I work with on a consulting project who does lots of Ruby stuff to look at the spec and he said, "It's on the right track" - meaning good enough he didn't think he needed to invest time in making it better. | 16:14 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: excellent ! Thanks. | 16:14 |
| * ScottK would like to throw in some praise for ivoks on dovecot + postfix. It's good and important work he's doing. | 16:14 | |
| dendrobates | nijaba: I read through it, great job! | 16:15 |
| nijaba | dendrobates: thanks | 16:15 |
| mathiaz | Ok. Seems that last meeting actions were taken. | 16:16 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Review each section of the ServerTeam/Roadmap | 16:17 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review each section of the ServerTeam/Roadmap | 16:17 |
| nijaba | I dd find out that lvm has a problem in JeOS in the process of writing the tuto | 16:17 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: did you filed a bug ? | 16:17 |
| nijaba | soren says that it is in the seed but not in the package list | 16:17 |
| nijaba | nope, soren said not necessary... should I ? | 16:18 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: I don't think so. | 16:18 |
| soren | I think it's pointless. | 16:18 |
| mathiaz | The roadmap can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap | 16:18 |
| nealmcb | is it fixed? | 16:18 |
| nijaba | in the tuto: yes | 16:18 |
| mathiaz | I've started to update the wiki page wrt the plan for Hardy. | 16:19 |
| soren | We're going to completely redo the cd building stuff for it. | 16:19 |
| soren | ...and the bug is in the old cd building system. | 16:19 |
| nealmcb | so is it just an iso problem? | 16:19 |
| soren | Er.. Yes. | 16:19 |
| nealmcb | not ubuntu-jeos-builder? | 16:19 |
| soren | No. (Maybe now you see why it's a good idea to rename one of those) | 16:20 |
| nealmcb | well the whole point of jeos is that there are lots - one per application in some sense. so maybe the iso shouldn't be jeos? | 16:20 |
| sommer | mathiaz: it may be a good idea to add something about ivoks postfix+dovecot work to the packager corner. | 16:21 |
| nealmcb | but I'm happy for both to be jeos - enough jeos for all. but I'll read the wiki and think some more | 16:21 |
| mathiaz | sommer: good idea. | 16:21 |
| mathiaz | sommer: wanna add it ? | 16:22 |
| sommer | sure will do | 16:22 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] sommer to add a section about dovecot+postfix in packager section of the roadmap. | 16:23 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: sommer to add a section about dovecot+postfix in packager section of the roadmap. | 16:23 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: I've seen your proposal for the factoids. | 16:23 |
| nealmcb | :-) | 16:23 |
| nealmcb | more to come, but that is a start for the mail-related ones | 16:23 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: when do you plan to add them to ubotu ? | 16:24 |
| nealmcb | as soon as ScottK or lamont or some guru says they look ok | 16:24 |
| soren | As I wrote in my e-mail half an hour ago, I don't see any particular reason why we can't just add them now. Changing them later is easy, afaik? | 16:24 |
| mathiaz | soren: yes. I've done that already. | 16:25 |
| nealmcb | sounds good | 16:25 |
| soren | mathiaz: Er.. I just tried in #ubuntu-server? No go. | 16:25 |
| soren | mathiaz: Or are we talking about different things? | 16:25 |
| nealmcb | mathiaz: what is it you did? | 16:25 |
| mathiaz | soren: I didn't add the factoids | 16:26 |
| mathiaz | I meant that I already fixed some entries a couple of weeks ago and that it was a simple process. | 16:26 |
| soren | mathiaz: Oh! | 16:26 |
| nealmcb | good | 16:26 |
| ScottK | There was a fun thread on postfix-users today (speaking of factoids makes me think of webmin) http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2007-11/1324.html | 16:26 |
| soren | Great. In that case, just add them. We'll change them as we go along. There's not need to bureaucratise it :) | 16:27 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: up for that ^^ ? | 16:27 |
| nealmcb | yup | 16:27 |
| lamont | nealmcb: hip deep in day-job stuff right now, I'll make time this week to review that | 16:27 |
| nealmcb | lamont: thanks | 16:28 |
| nealmcb | bother, those day jobs :-) | 16:28 |
| mathiaz | sommer: what are you plan for the server guide ? | 16:29 |
| mathiaz | sommer: is the section about ServerGuide for Hardy still relevant ? | 16:29 |
| sommer | mathiaz: currently working on updating the DNS seciton. | 16:29 |
| sommer | yes, I'm not sure about Paul's link though | 16:29 |
| sommer | also ScottK and lamont are in the process of reviewing a Mail Filtering section. | 16:30 |
| mathiaz | sommer: could you cleanup the help.ubuntu.com section also ? | 16:31 |
| ScottK | For some definition of "in the process" that means I'm planning on doing it. | 16:31 |
| sommer | mathiaz: sure, no problem | 16:31 |
| mathiaz | sommer: so that we have more visibility on what needs to be done. | 16:31 |
| mathiaz | sommer: you could also add new ones, so that people can start contributing if they're interested. | 16:31 |
| sommer | mathiaz: back before the Gutsy release there was sort of a "theme" as far as bugs go... are we going to continue that? | 16:32 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] sommer to update the section about wiki page on help.ubuntu.com | 16:32 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: sommer to update the section about wiki page on help.ubuntu.com | 16:32 |
| sommer | because I could update the h.u.c section based on that | 16:32 |
| mathiaz | sommer: hum... That would be a good idea. | 16:33 |
| nealmcb | I guess we need to get some web site admins to help with https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-doc/+bug/122297 | 16:33 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 122297 in ubuntu-doc "Server Guide draft has higher Google rank than released version" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:33 |
| lamont | nealmcb: send me a pointer to the factoids, ok? | 16:33 |
| nealmcb | lamont: you bet | 16:33 |
| mathiaz | sommer: I've added a section to triage samba bugs. | 16:34 |
| mathiaz | sommer: may be you could list wiki pages on h.u.c related to samba that needs to be updated ? | 16:34 |
| sommer | sure, sounds good to me | 16:34 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] sommer add samba related pages from h.u.c that needs to be cleaned up. | 16:35 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: sommer add samba related pages from h.u.c that needs to be cleaned up. | 16:35 |
| mathiaz | For the developer corner, I've removed the old spec from Gutsy. | 16:35 |
| mathiaz | I'll add the new specs we're working on for Hardy. | 16:36 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: That will include the MIR spec. | 16:36 |
| ScottK | nealmcb: Surely that's invalid as a bug. | 16:37 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] mathiaz will update the Developer section of the Roadmpa with the specs for hardy. | 16:37 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: mathiaz will update the Developer section of the Roadmpa with the specs for hardy. | 16:37 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: So how do I know when to start working on actually doing the MIR? | 16:38 |
| nealmcb | website bug? the bad pages should redirect or link to somewhere useful | 16:38 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: the plan is to create a wiki page with the list of MIR we wanna do. | 16:38 |
| ScottK | I don't think Google's ranking of pages is a valid bug. | 16:38 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: I thought we had that already from UDS? | 16:38 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: and then start doing them :) | 16:38 |
| nealmcb | ScottK: the point is that our website shows outdated information, and people searching for info should get good info | 16:39 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: yes. There was a lot of them. We just need to create/update the wiki page so that we can track correctly what has been done. | 16:39 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: OK. | 16:39 |
| ScottK | nealmcb: OK. I just looked at the title of the bug. | 16:40 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: OTOH it should not stop you from writing MIR | 16:40 |
| nealmcb | and there are things we can do to improve the rank of good pages | 16:40 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: OK. That's what I wanted to hear. | 16:40 |
| nealmcb | like site maps | 16:40 |
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| mathiaz | ScottK: Anyone can write a MIR. | 16:40 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: Yes, I know. I've done them before, just didn't want to get ahead of the plan. | 16:41 |
| nijaba | mathiaz: about MIR, do you want me to change the spec to a table with owner and status for each package ? | 16:41 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: that would be great ! | 16:41 |
| nijaba | I'll do it tonight then | 16:41 |
| ScottK | nijaba: Would you put me down for amavisd-new? | 16:42 |
| nijaba | ScottK: sure | 16:42 |
| ScottK | Thanks | 16:42 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] nijaba will update the MIR spec to make it easy to track the state of writting the MIRs. | 16:42 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: nijaba will update the MIR spec to make it easy to track the state of writting the MIRs. | 16:42 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] ScottK will write the amavisd-new MIR. | 16:42 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ScottK will write the amavisd-new MIR. | 16:42 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] AOB | 16:43 |
| MootBot | New Topic: AOB | 16:43 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: you mentionned a postgrey bug | 16:44 |
| nealmcb | ahh - any other business.... | 16:44 |
| soren | Did I mention http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html ? | 16:44 |
| nealmcb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgrey/+bug/135038 | 16:44 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 135038 in db4.4 "postgrey fails regularly : "fatal: Can't call method "txn_commit" on an undefined value at /usr/sbin/postgrey line 223." (dup-of: 153996)" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:44 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 153996 in db4.4 "libdb4.4 in gutsy breaks postgrey and subversion" [Unknown,Fix released] | 16:44 |
| mathiaz | soren: I'm not sure... But better more than never :) | 16:44 |
| nealmcb | I'd love lamont to look at that - db4.4 bug that also affects svn | 16:45 |
| soren | mathiaz: Yeah, totally. I really wasn't sure if I had already brought up that we need to test the stuff on http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html | 16:45 |
| sommer | soren: just an fyi... I bookmarked the link | 16:45 |
| * soren hugs sommer | 16:45 | |
| mathiaz | soren: The link should be added to the server roadmap then. | 16:45 |
| nealmcb | and maybe apache, etc. maybe needs an sru? lamont added the patch that is proposed to be reverted | 16:46 |
| nijaba | soren: I think that you already mentioned that we need to test the stuff on http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html | 16:46 |
| * nijaba waves at kees | 16:46 | |
| soren | nijaba: Oh, good. I really wouldn't be good if we forgot to talk about http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html, so it's good that I remembered to mention http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html. | 16:46 |
| nealmcb | soren: what was that url again? | 16:46 |
| lamont | nealmcb: I feel no ownership for apache... | 16:46 |
| soren | I forget :( | 16:46 |
| sommer | lol | 16:46 |
| nealmcb | lamont: it was a db4.4 patch | 16:47 |
| nealmcb | to default to posix threads or something | 16:47 |
| lamont | that'd be a doko question | 16:48 |
| nealmcb | ok | 16:48 |
| * lamont was just a puppet | 16:48 | |
| * nealmcb has a hard time picturing that, but moves on :-) | 16:48 | |
| mathiaz | Anyone wants to add something ? | 16:48 |
| nijaba | just for fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6L51uZjaZU | 16:49 |
| * soren resists the tempatation to bring up http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html again | 16:49 | |
| nealmcb | nijaba: what is the history of that video? | 16:51 |
| nijaba | nealmcb: we are running a test on some web site in NA to see how people respond to adds | 16:51 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time. | 16:52 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time. | 16:52 |
| nealmcb | nijaba: cute :-) | 16:52 |
| mathiaz | Do we need another meeting next week ? | 16:52 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: I think frequent short meetings are good. | 16:52 |
| nijaba | nealmcb: I don't like that one as much: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkMlCeDu-0c | 16:52 |
| mathiaz | We should have the lest of specs for Hardy. | 16:52 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: Do we need an action on the db4.4 bug? | 16:52 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: what would be needed ? | 16:53 |
| ScottK | Fixing it. | 16:53 |
| nealmcb | someone who knows hime contacting doku? | 16:53 |
| ScottK | That or hounding doko until he fixes it. | 16:53 |
| nealmcb | preparing an sru? | 16:53 |
| nealmcb | or is that different? | 16:53 |
| nijaba | don't forget that we also need doku for idedtea | 16:54 |
| nealmcb | Sure - I'll have a refill! | 16:54 |
| ScottK | nealmcb: We'd need a patch and then someone would need to fix Hardy (assuming it's broken too) and then an SRU. | 16:54 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: Is the bug fixed in Hardy ? | 16:54 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: I've no idea. | 16:55 |
| nealmcb | the patch is there | 16:55 |
| nealmcb | I don't think it is in hardy | 16:55 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: yes. First it needs to be fixed in Hardy (which is probably the case as debian fixed it. | 16:55 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: It's in Main, so I don't worry about it. | 16:55 |
| nealmcb | it is a 2line patch to revert a previous patch | 16:55 |
| * ScottK looks around for a core-dev | 16:55 | |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: so first it needs to be fixed in hardy. | 16:55 |
| nealmcb | what I don't know is why folks wanted the original patch - maybe performance with threads? | 16:55 |
| nealmcb | fixed in debian I think | 16:55 |
| mathiaz | ok. We're running out of time. | 16:56 |
| mathiaz | Next meeting: next week, same time, same place ? | 16:56 |
| sommer | sounds good to me | 16:56 |
| nealmcb | yeah | 16:56 |
| ScottK | nealmcb: On your factoid list, I don't think you should use the word default since none of them are in fact installed by default. | 16:57 |
| nealmcb | ScottK: good point | 16:57 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: Who's following up on db4.4? | 16:57 |
| nealmcb | soren - 27001? | 16:57 |
| nealmcb | :-) | 16:57 |
| soren | :( | 16:57 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: I'll have a look into it. | 16:58 |
| nealmcb | :-) | 16:58 |
| ScottK | nealmcb: Also, I'd mention Postfix and Mail Tranfer Agent in there too | 16:58 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: Thanks. | 16:58 |
| * soren hugs mathiaz | 16:58 | |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] mathiaz to follow up on bug 153996 | 16:58 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 153996 in db4.4 "libdb4.4 in gutsy breaks postgrey and subversion" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153996 | 16:58 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: mathiaz to follow up on bug 153996 | 16:58 |
| nealmcb | ScottK: I talk about them - where are you looking? | 16:58 |
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| nealmcb | ahh - full factoids for them? | 16:58 |
| ScottK | nealmcb: At the message you sent to the ML. | 16:58 |
| mathiaz | Next meeting: next week, same time, same place. | 16:59 |
| mathiaz | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 16:59. | 16:59 |
| nealmcb | thanks all! | 16:59 |
| mathiaz | Thanks all - happy merging ! | 16:59 |
| nijaba | thanks, see you next week! | 16:59 |
| sommer | later all | 17:00 |
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