[00:22] @schedule [00:22] Schedule for Etc/UTC: 29 Nov 14:00: Desktop Team Development | 01 Dec 19:00: Art Team [00:22] @schedule denver [00:22] Schedule for America/Denver: 29 Nov 07:00: Desktop Team Development | 01 Dec 12:00: Art Team [01:50] !schedule [01:50] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [01:51] @schedule phoenix [01:51] Schedule for America/Phoenix: 29 Nov 07:00: Desktop Team Development | 01 Dec 12:00: Art Team [01:56] @schedule denver [01:56] Schedule for America/Denver: 29 Nov 07:00: Desktop Team Development | 01 Dec 12:00: Art Team [01:57] The colorado team will be having a meeting in here in 3 minutes [01:58] @time [01:58] Current time in Etc/UTC: November 27 2007, 01:58:01 - Next meeting: Desktop Team Development in 2 days [01:59] nealmcb, first topic :: Leadership Roles -> Deputy Team Lead [02:00] #startmeeting [02:00] Meeting started at 02:00. The chair is nealmcb. [02:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [02:01] [topic] attendance [02:01] New Topic: attendance [02:01] all here please say "aye" [02:01] aye [02:01] aye [02:01] aye [02:01] aye [02:01] (mootbot keeps a log of who said something) [02:01] aye [02:01] [topic] Leadership Roles -> Deputy Team Lead [02:01] New Topic: Leadership Roles -> Deputy Team Lead [02:02] [IDEA] We need to assign a deputy team lead [02:02] IDEA received: We need to assign a deputy team lead [02:02] Are there any volunteers looking to fulfill this role? [02:02] What are the responsibilities? [02:02] Assiting me with planning meetings / finding locations / distributing cd's etc. [02:03] am i still education lead or is that a vote thing and not yet official? [02:03] also acts as team lead in my absense [02:03] Time requirements? [02:03] You are the education lead musashi [02:03] okay, i'll stay that [02:03] if you want me to [02:03] up to you musashi [02:03] :) [02:03] you [02:04] 're the new dictator [02:04] time requirements i'd say about 2 - 4 hours/week [02:04] closer to the release party it goes up... [02:04] as we try to find locations [02:04] (which is still quite the project) [02:04] Right. [02:04] might go up as we organize other events too [02:05] aye. [02:05] so it's hard to say overall contribution as we're trying to organize our efforts better at the current time [02:05] ask FunnyLookinHat how much time it takes [02:05] Ok. Well, I'd love to do it, but I have school commitments that would come first, sorry. [02:05] *nods* [02:05] [IDEA] Ask the list again for a volunteer for the Deputy Team Lead [02:05] IDEA received: Ask the list again for a volunteer for the Deputy Team Lead [02:06] topic -> regional leaders? [02:06] [topic] regional leaders? [02:06] New Topic: regional leaders? [02:07] There was discussion at the release party to have seperate regional leaders [02:07] I'm sort of AFK [02:07] i think this would be a good idea but not sure how to implement [02:07] Sorry guys, take notes on the info you need from me. [02:07] [idea] How can we implement a regional structure? [02:07] IDEA received: How can we implement a regional structure? [02:07] Does it make sense to seperate our CoLoCo into 'regions' based on current attendance and meetings? [02:08] maybe regional coordinators would be a better term [02:08] I think we have some obvious divisions...Springs, GJ, Northern CO... [02:08] *nods* [02:08] But the Metro region may be a bit more packed. [02:08] i think it makes sense to have regional activities since we can't all get everywhere [02:08] Agreed. [02:09] but team decisions need to be by the team not region [02:09] yeah - it is very hard to organize something more than a handful of people can attend in any location... [02:09] (i.e. meetings in boulder etc.) [02:09] Yes. [02:09] yeah, i was the only one. thanks MitchM [02:09] Plus, for me at least, it would be easier to have a meeting with the few folks who are interested and are close. [02:09] I would have buddied up with ya musashi :D [02:10] but i was detained... [02:10] no worries, i brought the family [02:10] ah - very nice :D [02:10] [idea] Regional events organized by 'regional coordinators' with Team decisions being done by the "team" [02:10] IDEA received: Regional events organized by 'regional coordinators' with Team decisions being done by the "team" [02:11] sounds good [02:11] Agreed. [02:11] So the turnout may be too small to really bring any conclusion to this; but it's a path we can pursue [02:11] and we should bring this topic to the list [02:11] [idea] regional meetings on the same day (with all involved logged into irc) [02:11] IDEA received: regional meetings on the same day (with all involved logged into irc) [02:12] [idea] Important decisions should also be discussed on the mailing list [02:12] IDEA received: Important decisions should also be discussed on the mailing list [02:12] +1 [02:12] I think we've seen on the list that even irc meetings are tough to organize. [02:12] anyone else have any leadership concerns? [02:12] btrigg, yeah. Its a pain to be productive :D [02:12] * Whelpo mutters something about time wasting video games. [02:12] +1 to that but are there any better options. seems a lot don't follow the list and some ignore when too much starts happening (spams the inbox and all) [02:13] Open time is the factor for me. [02:13] we have over 100 members but only 10 -20 are moderately active it seems [02:13] I'd love to be much more involved but it's a matter of what I can do and when. [02:14] [idea] how do we increase participation of all our members? [02:14] IDEA received: how do we increase participation of all our members? [02:14] laissez-faire? [02:14] [idea] Obtain a monthly schedule for meetings [02:14] IDEA received: Obtain a monthly schedule for meetings [02:15] yes, but a lot signed up as members. how do we get them involved [02:15] I believe if we dedicate a day/time to meetings (like today) [02:15] we'll eventaully see more 'movement' in our IRC [02:15] A loose hierarchy of "independent" leaders/coordinators who disseminate info to their regions? [02:15] +1 [02:15] +1 [02:15] to both [02:15] Vote to change topic to upcomming events? [02:15] [topic] attendance part two: everyone please state your name, so we can get better at matching irc nicks and email [02:15] New Topic: attendance part two: everyone please state your name, so we can get better at matching irc nicks and email [02:15] Neal McBurnett [02:15] Brett Trigg [02:15] simon engelbert [02:15] Alex Comer [02:15] Mitch Mahan, Thornton [02:16] Tibor Hetei [02:16] jim hutchinson [02:16] Boulder [02:16] Craig Maxwell [02:16] Northglenn [02:16] John Edwards [02:16] Daniel Galecki [02:16] Vail [02:16] fort collins [02:16] Westminster [02:16] vote: topic -> Upcomming Events [02:16] [topic] upcoming events [02:16] littleton [02:16] New Topic: upcoming events [02:16] *nods* [02:16] Thornton [02:17] as the education team lead musashi; have you had any more thoughts about organizing a 'library' gathering? [02:17] yes, but not sure what exactly to do [02:18] [idea] Claim library space to offer 'free-tutoring' to people interested in ubuntu [02:18] IDEA received: Claim library space to offer 'free-tutoring' to people interested in ubuntu [02:18] my idea was to advertise in local libraries for a computer support day [02:18] Would anyone like to help musashi with this project? [02:18] bring your box, we demo ubuntu and then help them with various issues including learning about ubuntu. [02:19] I think it's a great idea - even more so if they let us Live! Ubuntu on their library computers [02:19] location? [02:19] i think it would be good to help windows users get more foss on their boxes too and such and not push ubuntu too much [02:19] siblog, tbd [02:19] maybe a tech support / intro to foss computer fair [02:20] Has the idea of install races come up? Any insight on that? [02:20] someone mentioned a computer first aid day or something like that [02:20] [idea] Computer Aid Day [02:20] IDEA received: Computer Aid Day [02:20] ah, computer fair ala the health fairs [02:20] I would not mind helping out depending on time/location [02:21] see if we can't get a little news/tv blurb too [02:21] We'll have to make certain people nnow it's NOT a computer lab. Otherwise we'll end up with people bringing their windows machines in for spyware cleaning... [02:21] sounds fun. and the library would hopefully put it up on their calendar of events [02:21] musashi, would you like to try and locate a central 'library' location and see if they'd allow such an activity? [02:21] EricTheGrey, i think that might be a good thing. while cleaning their box we mention ubuntu and hand them a cd [02:21] remember there are also the regular CLUE installfests in north and south denver metro area [02:22] MitchM, not sure about "central" but maybe a couple libraries along the front range [02:22] *nods* [02:22] EricTheGrey: Yes, but that would also be a good time to show goodwill, clean the spyware (if possible) and explain how Ubuntu is more resistant...demos, etc. [02:22] if you could look into it and report back on our next irc meeting [02:22] (which is not scheduled) [02:22] that would be most helpful :) [02:22] nealmcb, i would like it to NOT be an install fest. more a help desk day where we push foss as a good solution [02:23] musashi: right - just good to be able to point them at such things [02:23] certainly we can add that too but i wouldn't want to compete [02:23] I've heard the clue folks can help with ubuntu and other distros [02:23] I would not mind helping out on either, depending on my available. time. [02:23] i.e. a different day would be good [02:23] [idea] Assist users in general Windows woes while 'advertising' Foss/Ubuntu [02:23] IDEA received: Assist users in general Windows woes while 'advertising' Foss/Ubuntu [02:23] something like that [02:24] MitchM, i will contact some of the libraries and see if they are open to loaning the space [02:24] excellent :) [02:24] and doing some of the advertising [02:24] [idea] musashi will ask libraries for available space/accomodations and report back to the loco [02:24] IDEA received: musashi will ask libraries for available space/accomodations and report back to the loco [02:24] [idea] hand out The Open Disc also [02:24] IDEA received: hand out The Open Disc also [02:24] yep that to [02:24] too [02:24] [action] musashi will ask libraries for available space/accomodations and report back to the loco [02:24] ACTION received: musashi will ask libraries for available space/accomodations and report back to the loco [02:25] thanks :) [02:25] ooh, that sounds official [02:25] very. [02:25] note also [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [02:25] maybe mootbot can get my A in gear on my dissertation :) [02:25] though links are automatic if you paste a url [02:25] [idea] LoCo IRC bug day [02:25] IDEA received: LoCo IRC bug day [02:26] anyone interested in holding a weekly/bi-weekly semi-bug day in #ubuntu-colorado? [02:26] I like the bug day idea [02:26] Where we can go around Launchpad and help triage bugs? [02:26] There are bugs? :-) [02:26] just the one [02:26] always. grab your fly-swatter [02:27] !bug #1 [02:27] Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [02:27] I sometimes find a bug but don't have the time/motivation to post it [02:27] lol [02:27] Whelpo, yuck :P [02:27] so having a "bug day" would help with the motivation [02:27] * nealmcb nods [02:27] Another decision for the list [02:27] I'd prefer Sunday nights (when nothing is going on) [02:27] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay [02:28] great idea but not my strength [02:28] but we'll have to get a general time assertation from the list [02:28] a weekend would definetly be better [02:28] musashi, not all bugs deal with programming ;) [02:28] The next Hug Day is 28 November 2007, in all timezones. It will take place in #ubuntu-bugs on Freenode. [02:28] musashi, some are simple and most just need closing/modifying [02:28] no but most are beyond me [02:28] see you then! [02:28] :D [02:28] i put in a lot of time on answers [02:29] i'll someone else do bugs [02:29] maybe bug day could be added to the Coloco calender? [02:29] vote -> LoCo Bug day? :: (to be brought to the list for judgement) [02:29] +1 Whelpo [02:29] [AGREED] [02:29] there are lots of ways both really easy and really advanced, to help with bugs - see the page for details [02:30] [AGREED] [02:30] who will put the 28th on the calendar and wiki and web site and mail list or whereever else people look? [02:30] Nick ! [02:30] [agreed] coloco will participate in bug day on the 28th [02:30] AGREED received: coloco will participate in bug day on the 28th [02:30] nealmcb, i'm sure that's true but i already spend my fair share on launchpad. i'll be happy to support a bug day but probably won't participate. just not my forte [02:30] musashi: np! [02:30] you are awesome on answers! [02:31] well average maybe [02:31] i help when i can [02:31] i'd prefer the loco bug day as opposed to the Ubuntu one; where i have time on sundays to triage (but lack motivation) [02:31] usually those dumber than me :) [02:31] s/dumber/less knowledgeable [02:31] [AGREED] LoCo Bug Day -> Present Idea to List [02:31] :P [02:31] topic -> General Discussion [02:32] topic -> CD's and Who Needs Them!? [02:32] :D [02:32] just got my small batch but may not last long [02:32] [topic] CD's and Who Needs Them!? [02:32] New Topic: CD's and Who Needs Them!? [02:32] I could use some CDs [02:32] [idea] Send whelp CD's [02:32] IDEA received: Send whelp CD's [02:33] :P [02:33] whelpo* ! [02:33] I would like to help distribute some CDs [02:33] hmm - event I forgot - the BWA meeting at ncar tomorrow night, where we'll need lots of disks [02:33] I had to order some recently myself... only went for 2 [02:33] [idea] Siblog would like to distribute CD's [02:33] IDEA received: Siblog would like to distribute CD's [02:33] [idea] Bring CD's to BWA Meeting [02:33] IDEA received: Bring CD's to BWA Meeting [02:33] having CDs handy at work would be also good... been spready the joy slowly around [02:34] *spreading [02:34] work has been a great place to spread ubuntu for me [02:34] i placed some CD's in our lunch room [02:34] most of them disspeared [02:34] dissapeared* [02:34] me too :-) [02:34] hopefully didn't end up as coasters ;) [02:34] lol [02:34] Whelpo, product placement ! [02:34] all the better :P [02:35] lunchroom may = coasters [02:35] shove them in linux books at the book store (or windows books) [02:35] I like that one [02:35] good one [02:35] MitchM: hopefully the cleaning crew or security didn't take them [02:35] nealmcb, it was in the nicely presented 'cd box' [02:35] so i doubt it :D [02:36] those boxes are great! [02:36] yeah - they look so professional. [02:36] brilliant idea [02:36] alright -> whelpo needs cd's; maybe siblog === Whelp1 is now known as Whelpo [02:36] i'll try and get with you guys to give you some [02:37] Mitch, do you live where you hosted the release party? [02:37] i will need some eventually too but not right away [02:37] MitchM: are you coming to bwa? with a very professional box, and kubuntu also? [02:37] Whelpo, not anymore; that was temporary [02:37] * nealmcb can be demanding [02:37] :-) [02:37] yes please...I have some people at work interested [02:37] nealmcb, url ? [02:37] ah, too bad since that's like right by me [02:37] [idea] siblog also needs cd's [02:37] IDEA received: siblog also needs cd's [02:38] on email - let me dig it out [02:38] Whelpo, i live about 12 minutes away from there :) [02:38] oh, not too bad then [02:38] re: bwa meeting... are we actually invited? is this meeting open to the public? reading their page i got the impression that bwa expects folks to be a member to participate [02:38] nah [02:38] http://www.bwa.org [02:38] LINK received: http://www.bwa.org [02:38] acomer: ahh - good question [02:39] but it was advertised to the rmiug... [02:39] from bwa.org: "Standard dues are $50/year (for new and nonvolunteering members)." [02:39] http://www.bwa.org/calendar/general.htm [02:39] LINK received: http://www.bwa.org/calendar/general.htm [02:39] acomer, "All meetings of Boulder Writers Alliance are free and open to the public." [02:40] hmm ok [02:40] My personal opinion is that being militant at something like that drives more people away that causes them to join. [02:40] on their calendar page [02:40] free buffet! [02:40] ecellent !! [02:40] ;D [02:40] i vote we attend all their meetings ;) [02:40] topic -> IRC Meeting Times [02:40] hehe [02:41] MitchM, you need the [] for that to work :) [02:41] no [02:41] i need the anvil for that to work :D [02:41] btrigg: yeah. I would be upset if folks were anything but respectful and welcoming and not annoying [02:41] yes. because they know where you live. [02:41] i meant the [topic] bit [02:41] [topic] irc meeting times [02:41] New Topic: irc meeting times [02:41] like that ^^ [02:41] Last monday of the month at 7pm ? [02:42] sounds good to me [02:42] [topic] Why doesn't this work? [02:42] i'd go for bi-monthly [02:42] [idea] bi-monthly meetings [02:42] IDEA received: bi-monthly meetings [02:42] uh - dec 31st? [02:42] [agreed] [02:42] [agreed] Hold bi-monthly meetings [02:42] nealmcb, of course not! [02:42] nealmcb, goof :P [02:42] maybe only nealmcb can do that [02:42] aye. [02:43] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot [02:43] you just need to put text after [agreed].... [02:43] but to say "aye" the custom is to say just "+1" [02:43] it stands out nicely [02:43] [agreed] Hold bi-monthly meetings [02:43] only the chair can issue [agreed] [02:43] Sorry. Got it. [02:43] :D [02:43] * btrigg is a noob [02:43] I think the topic is the only thing that only the person who said "#startmeeting" can do [02:44] +1 to meetings [02:44] or maybe votes also [02:44] I would recommend monthly IRC meetings instead of bi-monthly [02:44] Yup. Monthly is better. [02:44] MitchM: cool - a guy that reads doc! [02:44] perhaps to be revised at the next meeting? [02:44] nealmcb, you bet ya! [02:44] I'm leaning towards Monthly myself [02:44] you'll hit more people with bi-monthly since some may miss one and 30 days is a long time to wait [02:44] * nealmcb considers whether to agree to bimonthly meetings.... [02:44] :-) [02:45] action -> Next meeting; January 28th 7pm [02:45] +1 [02:45] I though bimonthly was twice a month.... [02:45] that's 2 months away [02:45] I was thinking that getting more people with bi-monthly may be good but anyone not attending both would be missing out [02:45] right, twice a month [02:45] doh. [02:45] Whelpo, well, we can only do so much [02:46] lol [02:46] i was thinking every _2_ months. [02:46] lol [02:46] [idea] Hold a meeting every 2 months ? [02:46] IDEA received: Hold a meeting every 2 months ? [02:46] dec 24th might hit some conflicts also.... [02:46] What's 12/24? ;-) [02:46] * nealmcb likes monthly or every 2 weeks [02:46] Vote? [02:46] monthly +1 [02:46] well dec may be a bad month but if we do 2 a month then months like dec are less an issue [02:46] monthly +1 [02:46] we'd still get one in [02:46] monthly +1 [02:47] monthly +1 [02:47] [vote] all in favor of meetings every 2 weeks [02:47] Please vote on: all in favor of meetings every 2 weeks. [02:47] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [02:47] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [02:47] +1 [02:47] i still think bi will get more involvement even if most only go to one of them [02:47] +1 received from MitchM. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [02:47] we can stillhave the log [02:47] +1 [02:47] +1 received from nealmcb. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [02:47] for the time being at least [02:47] +1 [02:47] +1 received from btrigg. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [02:48] aye. [02:48] it can always be revised [02:48] 0 [02:48] +0 [02:48] Abstention received from Whelpo. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3 [02:48] next we can vote on monthly, then every 2 months [02:48] or someone can figure out a better voting method :-) [02:48] +0 [02:48] Abstention received from musashi. 3 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 3 [02:48] is there anyway to recover one's own password from NickServ? [02:49] * nealmcb wonders if there is a way to find out who hasn't voted [02:49] [endvote] [02:49]