[08:03] <dholbach> good morning
[13:04] <StevenK> ToddBrandt: When you're around can you look at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mobile/2007-November/001355.html and let me know what you think? I can upload a fix for 0.9 (probably 0.9ubuntu1), or upload any version you want to Hardy.
[14:06] <ian_brasil> caramba, some heavy stuff about gnome mobile here http://www.murrayc.com/blog/permalink/2007/11/26/gnome-board-2007-candidates-the-bad/
[14:09] <henrix> outch!
[16:58] <lool> ian_brasil: I don't think Murray has sufficient access to attest the issues he raises concerning mobile
[17:13] <ian_brasil> lool: the failings so far have been issues of transparency and failing to define standards/components IMO and i don't see how any one person can be responsible for this when it is a company which has contributed most of the code.....and anyway calling someone psychotic is just one step removed from calling them Hitler and a good candidate for invoking Godwin's law if you ask me
[17:19] <lool> ian_brasil: Right, I doubt Jeff is to blame on the transparency of the mobile stuff
[17:22] <guardian> the company being ? nokia ?
[17:26] <ian_brasil> guardian: right, and even this I believe is not intentional..just a large company finding its way into open source and getting some things wrong and learning from its mistakes 
[17:26] <lool> I think things take time in large companies, and they do things differently, such as press releases :)
[17:53] <ToddBrandt> StevenK: I'll look at it today, sorry for the delay
[18:32] <raji> asac: Are you there?
[18:36] <asac> raji: not anymore :) .. will be back later most likely
[18:39] <raji> asac: I posing a question about nm-applet, please answer it when you have time, what is the purpose of the 'Create new wireless network'. I am expecting that a new adhoc network will be created , but that feature does not work on our moblin environment, I meant no new network is created.
[18:46] <agoliveira> ian_brasil: Nasty stuff about Jeff Waugh
[22:04] <davidm> HappyCamp, HappyCamp_ubuntu , what is your name?
[22:08] <HappyCamp> davidm, John Villalovos
[22:09] <HappyCamp> davidm, https://launchpad.net/~happycamp
[22:09] <davidm> Thanks John
[22:10] <davidm> Your  IRC client was defeating me, it's says your "Somebody" or "New Now Know How" :-)
[22:10] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> davidm: Oh, I should probably fix that.
[22:12] <davidm> I use that a lot to track who I'm talking with until I memorize the NICK which sometimes takes me a bit...  Too many nicks too few brain cells... ;-)
[23:33] <robr> amitk / davidm : ping
[23:39] <StevenK> ToddBrandt: I'm around now if you want to bug me to do something.
[23:41] <davidm> robr, pong
[23:42] <robr> davidm: paul p tells me of a disconnect with what you're asking for on the Gfx drivers and what requests i received from your engineers
[23:43] <davidm> Not sure yet, apparently Amit pushed back on something but Paul and Don don't know why he pushed back ie: is is broken or is it just not the "newest"
[23:43] <davidm> If it's broken there is no real issue, if it's not "newest" it might be
[23:43] <robr> davidm: you were copied on the email
[23:43] <robr> i will forward it to you again
[23:44] <davidm> Thanks I must have missed it or not understood that we were raising a flag.
[23:44] <davidm> I'll look for it and read carefully
[23:45] <robr> i got the same request on libexa from bryce and others supporting X to use the version of libexa that comes with the version in either gutsy or hardy
[23:46] <robr> davidm: the version of libexa in gutsy is 2.1 and in hardy it's 2.2 , PSB Gfx drivers require 2.2 plus some changes
[23:46] <davidm> I know that we need hardy support so that is 2.2 and Paul wants hardy support
[23:47] <robr> davidm: the problem with drm.ko is the gfx driver requires the upstream version from the xorg project not the downstream 2.6.24 kernel -- it basically means you have to maintain two incompatible versions of drm.ko 
[23:48] <robr> davidm: amit's request is actually rather reasonable 
[23:48] <davidm> OK, perhaps I need to read the email completely to understand the issue.  
[23:49] <davidm> I would actually expect that from Amit
[23:52] <davidm> robr  I'm reading now.
[23:54] <davidm> robr are you registered here on FreeNode?
[23:55] <robr> this alias is