[00:48] <rhpot1991> so, I am looking for a way to find out if there are any recordings in my recordings directory that do not have a database record associated with them (old recordings from when I first installed and didn't know what I was doing, etc...), any ideas?
[01:49] <WcktKlwn> has anyone setup a chaintech av-710 spdif with ac3 encoding?
[02:05] <CaptainPatent> Hey, question about setting up fstab in my system...
[02:06] <CaptainPatent> I added a new hdd, looked up the UUID and placed it in my fstab file with mountpoint
[02:07] <CaptainPatent> the problem is when I go to reboot the primary harddrive gets mounted as read-only for some reason and effectively nerfs my system
[02:07] <CaptainPatent> Does anyone have any ideas what may be causing this?
[02:07] <CaptainPatent> I didn't change the -rw tag in the fstab file
[02:07] <CaptainPatent> for the root drive
[02:08] <CaptainPatent> This is Feisty-based btw
[02:41] <bluec99> what does the line for your primary HD look like in fstab?
[02:45] <CaptainPatent> the primary is something like UUID=xxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxx / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-rw 0 1
[02:45] <CaptainPatent> for the primary
[02:46] <bluec99> interesting, mine: UUID=<guid> ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro
[02:46] <bluec99> you certain the previous shutdown was clean? maybe mounted RO after improper shutdown?
[02:48] <bluec99> i had an earlier fedora install on ibm t40 that would reboot into RO.  was due to block errors on the HD. had to boot recovery disk and unmount primary HD
[02:48] <CaptainPatent> doesn't the option -ro designate as read only though?
[02:49] <CaptainPatent> pretty sure it does
[02:49] <bluec99> that is only on error though - "errors=remount-ro"
[02:49] <CaptainPatent> ahhh
[02:49] <CaptainPatent> that makes sense
[02:50] <CaptainPatent> I actually found I was missing an option in fstab for my new hdd so I'm currently getting a new set of errors
[02:50] <CaptainPatent> I'll try and change that to -ro and see what happens
[02:51] <bluec99> note  that mine was error=ro.  i don't think your has the 'error'
[02:51] <bluec99> this looks like a way to force fsck to look for possible HD failure:
[02:51] <bluec99> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=699590&postcount=2
[02:52] <CaptainPatent> it's not hdd failure though
[02:52] <CaptainPatent> If I strip out the new hdd it works fine
[02:52] <CaptainPatent> and if I mount the new hdd myself it works fine
[02:52] <CaptainPatent> but if I automount it throws a crap-fest
[02:53] <bluec99> got me then.  still seems like the new hdd could prevent a proper shutdown and thus trigger ro on reboot.
[02:53] <bluec99> what does the line for the new hd look like? especially the numbers at the end..
[02:54] <CaptainPatent> it's UUID=<drive id> /db ext3 defaults 0 1 I believe
[02:55] <CaptainPatent> yep
[02:55] <bluec99> hmm, most of my 'extra' drives go in with 0 0 man on fstab to see confirm what those are for
[02:56] <CaptainPatent> the first one is for something that became obsolete but was used in early redhat
[02:56] <CaptainPatent> the other I'll have to look up again
[02:56] <bluec99> "      The sixth field, (fs_passno), is used by the fsck(8) program to determine the order in which filesystem checks are done  at  reboot  time.       The  root  filesystem should be specified with a fs_passno of 1, and other filesystems should have a fs_passno of 2.  Filesystems within a       drive will be checked sequentially, but filesystems on different drives will be checked at the same time to utilize parallelism  availab
[02:57] <bluec99> change your last number to 0 or 2 and give it a go.
[02:57] <bluec99> only the root should have =1.
[02:58] <CaptainPatent> you're right... I just saw that
[02:58] <CaptainPatent> I'll give that a whirl
[03:01] <CaptainPatent> the thing that really sucks about all this is it induces an error which causes the primary hdd to be read only (even though I said not to) and I have to use a recovery distro to get it back to working order
[03:02] <bluec99> what if you remove the physical connxn to the 2nd hd?
[03:03] <bluec99> i.e. reboot, test(test). if error, shutdown (all ro, so no danger). remove cnxn to 2nd HD. boot.
[03:06] <CaptainPatent> honestly, it's just as easy to slip a live cd rescue disk into the cd drive
[03:07] <CaptainPatent> sweet monkey-snot I think it worked!
[03:07] <bluec99> gotta love livecd. one of the most impressive advents
[03:10] <bluec99> cool.  Good luck CaptainPatent.
[03:13] <CaptainPatent> right on... although it may not be automounting... gonna make sure my options are right
[03:15] <sslashes> my mythtv box is getting an xsession error about it lasting less than 10 seconds and my .xsession-errors file shows nothing of interest
[03:16] <sslashes> any ideas as to where i could poke around?
[03:17] <bluec99> funny, i'm working xorg error now 'restarted more than 3 times in 10 seconds' or something like that.  Found errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and working from there.
[03:17] <sslashes> it is weird - x starts fine
[03:18] <sslashes> i can fun sudo X and it starts up with no errors
[03:18] <sslashes> but when starting with gdm, the xsessions errors out
[03:20] <bluec99> X => still huge weakness.  I can never get it to behave the same way twice so far :)
[05:58] <levander> p
[06:00] <levander> Can someone tell me why my video screen is going off the bottom of the box I have it in?  I've used TV Overscan of nvidia-settings to actually make the "viewing port" on my monitor smaller than the monitor itself.  But, the video is being cut off on the bottom of the picture, where this viewing port ends.
[06:36] <Aval0n> where does openbox load mythfrontend from? I want to add -v all -l logfile
[06:37] <Aval0n> I found a menu.xml that had an execute /execute but when I entered the flag there it didn't seem to make a difference.
[06:52] <levander> What is openbox?
[06:52] <superm1> Aval0n, um openbox isn't used anymore
[06:52] <superm1> in mythbuntu
[06:53] <levander> Aval0n: I don't know answer to your question, but have you look in the ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc file of the user that runs mythtv?  I'm guessing the user is called "mythtv".
[06:54] <superm1> Aval0n, if you are using ubuntu-mythtv-frontend still (which used openbox), then it is started from a session start script in /usr/share/mythtv/
[06:55] <levander> I figured out the answer to my question above, trying to fix something, I had set Overscan settings inside MythTV Setup.  I set those back to 0, the video going out of the Viewport problem went away.
[10:11] <Varka> hi, what could be the reason that if i browse my recordings in mythfrontend every automatically recorded file is visible but every manually timed recording isnt?
[12:24] <sh> register abc123
[12:47] <MythbuntuGuest29> Hello - can anyone help me - my mythbuntu install is freezing
[12:56] <katharos> hi, I recently installed mythbuntu on my gutsy machine, backend and frontend. and I cant get back to my normal gnome desktop
[12:56] <katharos> I log in, and it's in xfce but it's dodgy
[12:57] <directhex|bsp> pick a session from the gdm login screen
[12:57] <katharos> awesome, thanx
[12:58] <katharos> will that be the default now?
[12:58] <directhex|bsp> depends on whether you clicked "just for this session" or "make default"
[12:59] <katharos> that would make sense :) i'm feeling really stupid right now...
[13:10] <michaellamothe> Hi all.
[13:16] <michaellamothe> Some friends of mine over in #ubuntu-motu said that I should ask here for testing of my DVB application.  Are you guys able to help me with testing?  Please :)
[13:21] <Varka> what could be the reason that if i browse my recordings in mythfrontend every automatically recorded file is visible but every manually timed recording isnt?
[13:23] <directhex|bsp> filters. hit m, make sure you're not filtering things
[13:23] <Varka> directhex|bsp, ill check that
[13:24] <Varka> directhex|bsp, thx
[13:25] <Varka> directhex|bsp, would you mind answering another question? ;)
[13:25] <Varka> directhex|bsp, i cant change my keybindings
[13:26] <Varka> directhex|bsp, in fact i can change them in the configurationmenu and the changes are accepted an persist but the have no effect at all
[13:31] <michaellamothe> *** Frenchy thinks that he's used up all his IRC buddy tokens on #ubuntu-motu and has no credit left.
[13:32] <directhex|bsp> some of us have jobs, and office pcs generally lack tv tuners!
[13:34] <michaellamothe> directhex|bsp: Sorry, that wasn't a dig.  Just filling in the silence :).  I'm in AU and it's 00:35.
[13:37] <michaellamothe> I might tune in at a better time slot.  Hope to talk to you again sometime.
[15:43] <rhpot1991> anyone ever see xfs get corrupted and files go missing?
[15:46] <pdragon> not myself. it's known to happen if you loose power while doing a write operation on an xfs partition, though
[15:46] <pdragon> whatever was being written could be lost/corrupted
[15:47] <pdragon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfs#Disadvantages
[15:49] <rhpot1991> I backed up my recordings to a mybook
[15:49] <rhpot1991> redid my LVM and was copying the files back to it over night
[15:49] <rhpot1991> and now the mybook is missing half of my recordings and my videos directory
[15:49] <rhpot1991> had to run xfs_repair earlier just to get it to mount
[15:51] <rhpot1991> reported a bad superblock at one point, can't be good
[15:53] <pdragon> sounds like your drive might be going bad
[15:54] <rhpot1991> its a brand new mybook
[15:54] <rhpot1991> just got it on friday
[15:56] <rhpot1991> well thats not good, just unmounted ran xfs_repair -n (which should prompt to modify, didn't ask me anything) then remounted and I am missing my recordings dir now
[15:56] <rhpot1991> and there are 3 random recordings in the root of the drive
[15:59] <pdragon> new doesn't mean it ain't broke
[16:00] <pdragon> seen many new hard drives bad right out of the box
[16:00] <pdragon> external ones being some of the worst offenders
[16:03] <rhpot1991> I agree, I'd like to rule out that I'm not doing something stupid first though
[16:03] <rhpot1991> also it was a BF special so I am not sure they will have any in stock to exchange :(
[16:04] <pdragon> i haven't done anything with LVM myself. but this is copying from an external drive to an LVM, right? so don't think that has anything to do with it
[16:04] <pdragon> tried plugging the drive into another machine?
[16:04] <rhpot1991> yap
[16:04] <pdragon> maybe USB port is bad?
[16:04] <rhpot1991> it should work just fine
[16:04] <rhpot1991> it copied to it just fine
[16:04] <rhpot1991> not yet, I'm at work and its at home
[16:04] <rhpot1991> so I am doing what I can remotely
[16:05] <[_Trimble_]> :(
[16:06] <[_Trimble_]> I need help :(   superm1 around?
[16:06] <[_Trimble_]> or anyone that's been able to get a channel change script/blaster to work?
[16:08] <Trimble_Epic> ok, i guess I'll just lurk.  thx
[16:08] <rhpot1991> not I sorry
[16:08] <Trimble_Epic> it's ok :)
[16:08] <Trimble_Epic> I leave on business for 2 weeks tomorrow.  I would REALLY like to get this working before I leave
[16:13] <alexvd_> Hi I am looking to move to mythbuntu from knoppmyth.  I had a couple of questions.  1. I have 4 identical 250 gig IDE drives that I want to mount.  I dont see a way in the control panel or xfce menus to mount them easily.  2. I wish to take advantage of storage groups.  I understand this is only available in SVN.  I realize this is unstable.  Once I upgrade to SVN to get storage groups.  Will it constantly be updating o
[16:13] <alexvd_> r can I just operate on a stable build for a while without worrying a new update is going to break it.
[16:14] <Trimble_Epic> I upgradded from knoppmyth too
[16:14] <Trimble_Epic> basically just wiped the machine and started over
[16:14] <Trimble_Epic> but I only have 1 drive, so I can't really answer your questions...
[16:14] <alexvd_> are you having issues with the directv script
[16:14] <tgm4883> alexvd_, it's not going to update unless you tell it to
[16:14] <Trimble_Epic> I do know, however, that I read a post on the mythbuntu forum about LVM or something like that to merge drives
[16:14] <alexvd_> thank tgm
[16:15] <alexvd_> dont want to use LVM, storage groups is better
[16:15] <tgm4883> LVM can be used to make multiple drives look like one
[16:15] <tgm4883> storage groups are better
[16:15] <tgm4883> a few of us do use trunk
[16:15] <alexvd_> yeah but you lose the whole vollume if one drive fails
[16:15] <tgm4883> for that reason
[16:16] <alexvd_> right so tgm are you using it
[16:16] <Trimble_Epic> I'm not having issues with directTV.  I use dishnetwork.. the channel changing script itself seems to be working fine.  however, the tuner isn't being set to the proper channel (3) if the channel change script is entered in setup
[16:16] <tgm4883> heh, not me yet, as I only have 1 large hard drive for recordings and multiple backends
[16:16] <alexvd_> did you set the script to start in mythtv -setup
[16:16] <alexvd_> i have a slave backend
[16:16] <tgm4883> I do have it on my testing machine, but not for testing trunk, but rather something else
[16:17] <tgm4883> brb coffee time :)
[16:17] <alexvd_> did you setup nfs to stream to the main backend or do all the boxes have their own drives
[16:17] <Trimble_Epic> I added the channel change script to the input selection in mythtv setup, yes.  I can see it trying to change the channel when I activate liveTV.  If I unplug the cord fromt he dish receiver and put it into the tv, i can see the the dish is doing the right thing
[16:17] <alexvd_> what does the log say
[16:17] <Trimble_Epic> dunno how to check it
[16:18] <alexvd_> hehehe
[16:18] <alexvd_> ok
[16:18] <alexvd_> have to check logs
[16:18] <Trimble_Epic> i'm a newb that's managed to get this far ;)
[16:18] <alexvd_> especially for channel change
[16:18] <alexvd_> so did you set the permissions
[16:18] <Trimble_Epic> what log am I looking for?
[16:18] <alexvd_> it should be the same as knoppmyth
[16:19] <Trimble_Epic> yes, I made the channel change script executable.  it's working, i can see it work.  it's just that the hauppage 150 card isn't tuning in channel 3 to see it
[16:19] <alexvd_> why do you need it to tune to channel 3
[16:19] <Trimble_Epic> I never used the channel change thing back in knoppmyth.
[16:19] <alexvd_> are u using coax
[16:19] <alexvd_> or svideo output
[16:19] <Trimble_Epic> heh.. i can't yet find the dongle for the 150 so that I can input composite
[16:20] <Trimble_Epic> bad me i know. :(
[16:20] <alexvd_> really want to use svideo
[16:20] <Trimble_Epic> wife "cleaned" the office.
[16:20] <alexvd_> the composite
[16:20] <alexvd_> or coax is real bad
[16:20] <alexvd_> ok
[16:20] <alexvd_> hold for sec
[16:20] <alexvd_> let me make sure the logs are in the same place
[16:20] <Trimble_Epic> well, it's going through a stereo received that can only do as good as composite anyway
[16:20] <alexvd_> on mythbuntu
[16:20] <alexvd_> for video
[16:21] <alexvd_> wait you have the composite coming from dish to the back of the 150 right
[16:21] <alexvd_> and you have the audio cable right
[16:22] <Trimble_Epic> no.. currently, the composite is coming off the dish and going directly tot he receiver for when I need to bypass the myth.  (Since it hasn't been working yet)
[16:23] <Trimble_Epic> the audio is working fine - audio comes out of the soundcard and feeds into the stereo receiver, and is routed to where I expect it to go...
[16:23] <Trimble_Epic> but I still HEAR static when I try to watch live TV because the tuner isn't tuning in the channel that the dishnetworkrecevier is putting the signal on.
[16:26] <alexvd_> sorry my wife is pregnant
[16:27] <Trimble_Epic> Grats!
[16:27] <alexvd_> had to run and take care of something
[16:27] <Trimble_Epic> my wife WANTS to be pregnany
[16:27] <alexvd_> yeah second one in two years fun fun fun
[16:28] <alexvd_> Ok
[16:28] <tgm4883> back
[16:28] <alexvd_> so the
[16:28] <Trimble_Epic> :)
[16:28] <alexvd_> lags should be in
[16:29] <Trimble_Epic> logs
[16:29] <tgm4883> no i have a seperate drive in each backend
[16:29] <alexvd_> /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[16:29] <tgm4883> yep
[16:29] <alexvd_> you want to do the command
[16:29] <alexvd_> cat /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |more
[16:30] <alexvd_> that will tell you what the issue with the channel change script is
[16:30] <alexvd_> Eric do you know how to use terminal and get intot the box
[16:31] <Trimble_Epic> the channel change script is working correctly.  it's just that the tuner isn't ont he righ tchannel
[16:31] <alexvd_> Alright maybe i dont understand
[16:31] <alexvd_> You want to use the tuner to change channels right
[16:32] <tgm4883> Trimble_Epic, are you saying the the receiver is puting out on channel 3, but the tuner is tuned to something else?
[16:32] <alexvd_> The mythbox to change the channel on the dish receiver
[16:32] <Trimble_Epic> I want the hauppage pvr150 to STAY on channel 3, and the blaster script to change the dishreceiver's channels
[16:32] <alexvd_> Ok
[16:32] <alexvd_> it doesnt work like that
[16:32] <Trimble_Epic> but the hauppauge seems to be set to something OTHER than 3 when live tv starts
[16:32] <alexvd_> the pvr 150
[16:33] <alexvd_> only captures
[16:33] <Trimble_Epic> right
[16:33] <alexvd_> everytime you change the channel in the script.  LiveTC
[16:33] <alexvd_> will start on that channel
[16:33] <Trimble_Epic> whats LiveTC?
[16:33] <alexvd_> Sorry LiveTV
[16:33] <Trimble_Epic> ok
[16:34] <tgm4883> right, but it shouldn't work that way
[16:34] <alexvd_> Can you try just plugging in the composite cable into the happaugge
[16:34] <Trimble_Epic> I dont have the dongle otherwise I would
[16:35] <alexvd_> have you searched the board on the gossammer threads mythtv site.  I have never done what you are looking to do.
[16:35] <Trimble_Epic> ok, stupid me - it doesn't take a dongle, it takes yellow composite and a stereo phono jack... I suppose I could test that
[16:35] <alexvd_> yes
[16:36] <alexvd_> it will be poor quality
[16:36] <tgm4883> I don't see how it would be worse quality, they should both be 480i right?
[16:37] <alexvd_> well not really
[16:37] <Trimble_Epic> my old ATI card needed a dongle for composite in.. silly me.  however - it SHOULD still work.
[16:37] <Trimble_Epic> it DOES work if - I have no channel change script entered into the mythtv setup.
[16:37] <alexvd_> Ok I am so confused.
[16:37] <Trimble_Epic> if I have no channel change script entered, then I can manually change the hauppage's internal tuner to channel 3 and I can see the picture from the dish receiver just fine in LIVE tv.
[16:37] <Trimble_Epic> yes, I'mconfused too
[16:38] <alexvd_> Ok
[16:38] <Trimble_Epic> if I then change to channel 4, I get static/snow... (cuz the dish receiver doesn't put any signal on 4)
[16:38] <alexvd_> you dont ever use the tuner in the happauge
[16:38] <Trimble_Epic> sure I do
[16:38] <alexvd_> you only use it to capture
[16:38] <alexvd_> No you dont
[16:38] <Trimble_Epic> um... I did for a year
[16:38] <alexvd_> hmmmm
[16:38] <alexvd_> I am missing something
[16:38] <Trimble_Epic> when I was using basic cable, the hauppage 150's internal tuner did the channel changing.
[16:39] <alexvd_> right
[16:39] <alexvd_> exactly
[16:39] <Trimble_Epic> now I moved.  I live with a family with dishnetwork receivers.
[16:39] <alexvd_> but now you are using the external box
[16:39] <alexvd_> to change channels
[16:39] <alexvd_> you setup your input connections right
[16:39] <Trimble_Epic> right
[16:39] <alexvd_> composite
[16:39] <alexvd_> vs tuner1
[16:39] <Trimble_Epic> no, still using coax.  which WORKS... so long as the channel change script isn't in place
[16:39] <alexvd_> Ok
[16:40] <alexvd_> thats your issue
[16:40] <alexvd_> you have to go into the mythtv-setup
[16:40] <alexvd_> and change the input connections
[16:40] <tgm4883_laptop> Trimble_Epic, im not trying to pawn you off on them, but have you tried in #mythtv-users?  They should have more people there, someone who may have done this very thing you are trying to do
[16:40] <Dr_willis> coax from the external tuner box  which outputs only on channel 3 or 4 going into the Coax in on the tv card?
[16:40] <Trimble_Epic> I probably should be in there, tgm, but I didn't think to go in there ;)
[16:40] <alexvd_> Wait I know what he is doing
[16:40] <Dr_willis> sounds about like my setup that i need to do also.
[16:40] <Trimble_Epic> correct, dr willis
[16:41] <Dr_willis> Which i gave up on actually. :)
[16:41] <Trimble_Epic> heh
[16:41] <tgm4883_laptop> Dr_willis, Trimble_Epic, i'd like to have a small writeup on this eventually
[16:41] <alexvd_> Right but you dont need to use the coax anymore to the card
[16:41] <Trimble_Epic> sigh
[16:41] <alexvd_> if you are ouputting from svideo or the composite
[16:41] <Trimble_Epic> right now I need to due the the spagetti mess behind the tv.
[16:41] <alexvd_> from the dish box
[16:41] <Dr_willis> COrrect - you could be using the video/audo out from the digital box to the tuner card.
[16:41] <alexvd_> right so you setup your input connection
[16:41] <alexvd_> in mythtv-setup
[16:42] <alexvd_> for composite not tuner 1
[16:42] <alexvd_> tuner 1 is the coaz
[16:42] <alexvd_> coax
[16:42] <Trimble_Epic> at the moment, the composite output from the dishreceiver is being used to feed directly into the dish when i need to bypass the myth.  being able to bypass is a requirement for my setup.
[16:42] <alexvd_> if you use external box and not analog cable
[16:42] <alexvd_> why do you need to bypass myth
[16:43] <Trimble_Epic> because "mom and dad" refuse to "Fuck with this thing" when they "Want to watch regular tv"
[16:43] <alexvd_> heh eheheh
[16:43] <alexvd_> ok but could you just test for now
[16:43] <Trimble_Epic> so i have a 4 way switch box that feeds input to the stereo receiver.
[16:43] <alexvd_> ahhhh
[16:43] <alexvd_> Ok so you really want to be complicated
[16:43] <alexvd_> Thier is a way to do what you want
[16:43] <Trimble_Epic> raw dish is input 1, dvd is input 2, myth is input 3, and wii is input 4
[16:44] <alexvd_> with Myth no dvd necessary
[16:44] <alexvd_> and you could eliminate the raw dish too
[16:44] <Trimble_Epic> what I want to know is what freakin channel the hauppauge's tuner is set to when a channel change script is entered into the field for channel change script in mythtv-setup
[16:44] <alexvd_> if they can use the dish box and guide
[16:44] <alexvd_> they can use mythtv
[16:45] <alexvd_> Ok so I could be wrong but you need to go into mythtv setup
[16:45] <alexvd_> and their is an option for that
[16:45] <Trimble_Epic> trust me, alexvd, in a perfect world, I'd have everything going through the myth, and myth frontends in every room for them to work with
[16:45] <alexvd_> thats what i have
[16:45] <alexvd_> except wii
[16:45] <alexvd_> you cant play video games through myth
[16:46] <Varka> are there any other live tv OSD themes available for mythbuntu/mythtv?
[16:46] <alexvd_> yes
[16:46] <alexvd_> isthmus
[16:46] <alexvd_> a bunch
[16:46] <alexvd_> you can select them from the menu
[16:46] <alexvd_> if you have other themes loaded
[16:46] <alexvd_> bluetube has one
[16:46] <alexvd_> as well
[16:47] <tgm4883_laptop> Varka, are the live tv OSD different that the recorded OSD?
[16:47] <Varka> hm, i searched configuration but i only found something to configure the menues but not the osd
[16:47] <alexvd_> it in the tv section of setup
[16:47] <Trimble_Epic> it's in playback settings i think
[16:47] <alexvd_> right sorry
[16:47] <alexvd_> Eric goto the gossammer threads users list and search
[16:47] <alexvd_> i know people are doing what you do
[16:48] <alexvd_> and using myth as just a dvr
[16:48] <Varka> ok, ill search for it. thx. anyway, where to download additional themes?
[16:48] <alexvd_> you have to download other themes goto juski homepage
[16:48] <alexvd_> alot come in mythtv
[16:48] <Trimble_Epic> ok, i know that in Input Sources > Tuner 1, I have options to set: External channel change command, and I can set "Preset tuner to channel:"  as well as "Starting Channel".  I understand what those settings SHOULD be.
[16:49] <Varka> alexvd_, thank you
[16:49] <tgm4883_laptop> Trimble_Epic, sounds like preset tuner to channel should be set to 3
[16:49] <alexvd_> so preset tuner sounds like what you want select that to 3
[16:49] <Trimble_Epic> that's what I have it set to.
[16:49] <Trimble_Epic> but that's not what it's doing.
[16:49] <Trimble_Epic> is there a log entry that would tell me when i start live tv that it's setting the tuner to 3?
[16:51] <Varka> a last question, i cant change keybindings. in fact i can change them in the configuration menu and change persists but it has no effect at all.
[16:51] <Trimble_Epic> the problem I'm having SEEMS TO BE that myth is either ignoring that setting "Preset tuner to channel:", or it's getting it wrong.  maybe I need to spell out three or maybe there's a code for 3 that I don't understand..
[16:53] <tgm4883> Trimble_Epic, no it should just be 3
[16:53] <alexvd_> Eric yes the logs would tell you what channel it is tuning too. Is that what you want
[16:53] <tgm4883> Trimble_Epic, you have an external script filled in right?
[16:54] <alexvd_> Mythweb would show what channel it is tuned to
[16:54] <alexvd_> as well
[16:54] <Trimble_Epic> i've tried 3 and 03  but neither seem to have the desired results.   keep in mind that if I blank out the channel change script, I can then manually tune to channel 3 using Watch Live TV and i get the picture just fine.
[16:54] <tgm4883> Trimble_Epic, do this
[16:54] <Trimble_Epic> as in - i leave the hauppage set to 3 and I can then using my dish remote to change the channels on the dish receiver and see them just fine.
[16:55] <Trimble_Epic> so long as the hauppage is set to channel 3
[16:55] <Trimble_Epic> and while i'm bitching, Hauppauge is a damned hard word to type.  @#$%
[16:55] <Trimble_Epic> lololol
[16:55] <tgm4883> with the channel change script in there and the preset to channel 3 in there, go into live tv (it should not be working at this point) and check mythweb and see what it's tuned to
[16:55] <pdragon> type hp150 instead :)
[16:55] <Varka> alexvd_, any idea why i cant change keybindings?
[16:56] <alexvd_> Varka in mythweb?
[16:56] <Trimble_Epic> i havn't used mythweb.  crash course please.. do i http:  into my mythbox's ipaddress?
[16:56] <alexvd_> Eric yes
[16:57] <tgm4883> Trimble_Epic, http://backendip/mythweb/status
[16:57] <Varka> alexvd_, doesnt matter where i change them, mythfrontend, mythweb. the changes are taken and stay but have no effect
[16:57] <alexvd_> I think you have to restart mythfrontend
[16:57] <alexvd_> pkill xinit
[16:57] <Varka> alexvd_, i restarted frontend, backend, computer, everything
[16:58] <alexvd_> are you changing global bindings?
[16:58] <alexvd_> you may have to much with the lirc
[16:58] <alexvd_> configs
[16:58] <Trimble_Epic> ok, got mythweb running
[16:58] <Varka> alexvd_, im using a keyboard right now, no lirc
[16:59] <alexvd_> shoot my mythbox is down right now :)
[16:59] <Trimble_Epic> now, tgm, where in mythweb do i check to fid out what channel the tuner is on?
[16:59] <Trimble_Epic> backend status i bet
[16:59] <alexvd_> yes
[17:00] <Varka> alexvd_, im just trying to change the keys for volume up and down from F10/F11 to + and - on the numblock
[17:01] <rhpot1991> anyone have any idea if you can restores files from lost+found in an xfs partition without having a dump?
[17:01] <alexvd_> Varka i cant get into mythweb right now
[17:02] <alexvd_> is thier a save settings function
[17:02] <Trimble_Epic> this doesn't help me: Encoder 1 is local on Mythbuntu and is watching Live TV: 'Jewelry' on WHKY. This recording will end at 12:00 PM.
[17:02] <tgm4883> k
[17:02] <Varka> alexvd_, the settings ARE saved, but remain at the default setting in reality
[17:03] <tgm4883> lets try upping your log level
[17:03] <Trimble_Epic> please :)
[17:03] <Trimble_Epic> oops, pizza is done.. afk
[17:03] <Varka> alexvd_, ok, thank you anyway, i will show up later again
[17:05] <tgm4883> Trimble_Epic, you should be able to edit /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend
[17:06] <tgm4883> Trimble_Epic, search for EXTRA_ARGS=
[17:06] <tgm4883> and make it
[17:06] <tgm4883> EXTRA_ARGS="-v important -l /var/log/mythtv/backend.log"
[17:06] <Trimble_Epic> ok :)
[17:07] <Trimble_Epic> is the channel change script and preset tuner channel settings stored in this file?
[17:07] <Trimble_Epic> oh duh no heh
[17:07] <tgm4883> no, were upping the loggin
[17:09] <Trimble_Epic> ok, that setting has been added.   restart backend?
[17:09] <tgm4883> yep, then try it
[17:09] <Trimble_Epic> what's the restart command for that?
[17:09] <tgm4883> /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart
[17:10] <alexvd_> tgm does laga still come here
[17:10] <Trimble_Epic> ok, restarted
[17:10] <tgm4883> alexvd_, not often, did you need him for something
[17:11] <alexvd_> he helped me before I wanted to ask if he had plans to add the ability to have a section to easily mount drives in the control panel
[17:11] <Trimble_Epic> that would be NICE - easily mounting drives...   /sigh I had to tackle that beast
[17:12] <tgm4883> hmm, good questions
[17:12] <Trimble_Epic> i have myth feeding video from my desktop, my wife's desktop, and my NAS
[17:12] <alexvd_> with storage groups
[17:12] <Trimble_Epic> now I HATE the sorting system used in mythVideo heh
[17:12] <alexvd_> that will be even bigger request
[17:13] <alexvd_> Trimble do you have those mounted via NFS
[17:13] <Trimble_Epic> CIFS
[17:14] <tgm4883> Trimble_Epic, did you try to watch the live tv yet?
[17:14] <Trimble_Epic> i used the info i found here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=288534&highlight=mount+network+drive
[17:14] <Trimble_Epic> yup, looking at snow
[17:14] <alexvd_> yeah i no that well
[17:14] <tgm4883> good
[17:14] <tgm4883> go ahead and exit that
[17:14] <tgm4883> and look at /var/log/mythtv/backend.log
[17:14] <tgm4883> actually, post that to a pastebin
[17:15] <Trimble_Epic> :/
[17:15] <Trimble_Epic> post to pastebin?  tell me how.. god I feel like a weenie today
[17:15] <tgm4883> !pastebin
[17:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[17:16] <tgm4883> open the log, copy and paste it to this pastebin service, then give us the link
[17:16] <tgm4883> that way we can see the log
[17:17] <alexvd_> tgm i was screwing around with control panel and I screwed up access to the mysql database and now I cannot connect.  I forgot to check load mysql for the remote frontends and then added it and applied for some reason it then changed my backend profile to no backend and removed the backend. Then I added it back and now I cant access the database.
[17:17] <alexvd_> My masterbackend is 192.168.11.50
[17:17] <tgm4883> hmm, I would bet money that mysql-server got removed
[17:18] <Trimble_Epic> :) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46008/
[17:18] <alexvd_> yeah it did but then I readded it
[17:18] <alexvd_> now its grayed out
[17:18] <alexvd_> Should I just redo the installation?
[17:19] <alexvd_> it was really slow
[17:19] <alexvd_> for some reason
[17:19] <tgm4883> bug 156089
[17:19] <Trimble_Epic> ? TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1
[17:19] <alexvd_> tgm is that bug for me?
[17:19] <tgm4883> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/156089
[17:19] <tgm4883> alexvd_, ^^
[17:19] <tgm4883> yea, but ubotu is being slow
[17:20] <alexvd_> shoot reinstall
[17:21] <alexvd_> Ok have to remember that one.  They also have a bug with pchdtv cards and static ip adress
[17:21] <alexvd_> So tgm I want to do the following please tell me if this is the right way to go:
[17:21] <alexvd_> 1. Install mythbuntu to scsi 9gig drive.
[17:22] <alexvd_> 2. Then upgrade to svn trunk to storage groups
[17:22] <alexvd_> 3. mount all the drives
[17:22] <alexvd_> 4. Edit storage groups to have hda 1 and 2 for livetv
[17:22] <alexvd_> 5. enable nfs streaming to backend for all frontends.
[17:23] <tgm4883> theres a bug with pchdtv and static ip?  how are those related?
[17:23] <alexvd_> tgm is that the best order?  can mythbuntu somehow detect the other drives
[17:24] <tgm4883> for #5, is that for music, video, etc, or just recording storage?
[17:24] <alexvd_> Sorry their are two additional bugs, that I got hit by.  1. on initial setup on capture card setup the cards cannot be intialized till you reboot. 2 cant set static ip adress for the mastebackend on intial setup
[17:25] <tgm4883> whats the number for the pchdtv one?
[17:25] <alexvd_> What do you mean the bug number
[17:25] <tgm4883> do you have  a link to the said bug?
[17:27] <alexvd_> Oh I read about it on another site review of mythbuntu and i experienced it.  For some reason on initial setup. The backend is not stopped properly so that if you try to add the pchdtv cards they will say card not found.  You can still add them if you know what you are doing and all is fine but its a bug.
[17:27] <alexvd_> for #5 I prefer to have all my drives in one big box in the basement.  the masterbackend.
[17:28] <alexvd_> So all the frontends stream over nfs
[17:29] <alexvd_> So the answer is  backend has 500 gig for livetv with storage groups and then 900 gig (and growing) for videos,music
[17:29] <alexvd_> thats what i want to do
[17:29] <tgm4883> k
[17:29] <alexvd_> So is that the best order
[17:29] <alexvd_> to install then upgrad to svn then mount drives
[17:29] <tgm4883> i'm not sure you need the nfs for storage groups, although i haven't used them
[17:30] <alexvd_> no you dont
[17:30] <alexvd_> storage groups says you just mount the drives
[17:30] <tgm4883> k
[17:30] <tgm4883> looks good
[17:30] <alexvd_> and they should be available in mythtv setup storage groups tab
[17:30] <alexvd_> i have never upgraded to svn trunk
[17:30] <alexvd_> so i dont know for sure
[17:31] <tgm4883> right, just mount them to something like /mythtv/recordings/1, /mythtv/recordings/2, etc
[17:31] <tgm4883> i'd use something a little more descriptive though like /mythtv/recordings/300, /mythtv/recordings/400, for the drive size
[17:32] <tgm4883> makes it a little easier if I plan on taking a drive out or upgrading
[17:34] <alexvd_> hmm good point
[17:34] <Trimble_Epic> can someone recommend a VNC client for windows xp?
[17:34] <alexvd_> tight vnc
[17:34] <Trimble_Epic> thx
[17:42] <Trimble_Epic> so, any luck decyphering that log for my tuner problem?
[17:45] <Trimble_Epic> ok, i got vnc working :) that was easy.. except - it doesn't seem to show mythfrontend's menus right
[17:53] <rhpot1991> http://www.dealhack.com/archives/2007/11/logitech_harmony_550_remote_co.html
[17:53] <rhpot1991> ramony 550 for $40
[17:53] <Trimble_Epic> ?
[17:53] <rhpot1991> harmony
[17:53] <Trimble_Epic> i like my 880
[17:53] <rhpot1991> I still run with my hauppauge grey
[17:53] <rhpot1991> can never justify spending money to replace something that is working
[17:54] <rhpot1991> and instead buy more hard drives
[17:54] <Trimble_Epic> im the same way.. except - i inherited a AV receiver that didn't have it's remote
[17:54] <Trimble_Epic> so i eBay'd a used 880 instead of paying for a replacement remote :)
[17:55] <rhpot1991> does it do anything special thats worth the money?
[17:55] <Trimble_Epic> probably not
[17:56] <Trimble_Epic> 880 has a color screen and you can load icons for specific tv channels into it... big whoop, i know
[17:57] <Trimble_Epic> it also has a lame "slide show" mode, for which you can load photos.  I have photos of the family kids in it.. keeps the grandparents happy lol
[17:58] <Trimble_Epic> BIGGEST problem with the harmony remote - the wife keeps INSISTING on turning off the TV by hand instead of with the remote.
[17:58] <Trimble_Epic> but, i've figured out how tocorrect that without using it's help system ;)
[18:16] <laga> heya guys
[18:16] <laga> alexvd_: what kind of drives do you want to mount?
[18:16] <Trimble_Epic> yo
[18:43] <alexvd_> laga
[18:43] <alexvd_> I have ide drives
[18:43] <alexvd_> That I want to mount
[18:43] <laga> ah, so nothing fancy
[18:43] <laga> hm
[18:43] <alexvd_> It would be great to have a easy way via the control panel to mount drives
[18:43] <alexvd_> more of a suggestion or enhancement.
[18:44] <laga> i wonder if there's a standard ubuntu way to do that
[18:44] <laga> i'd hate to re-invent the wheel for that
[18:44] <alexvd_> I know i can do it ubuntu but mounting drives in ubuntu is not straightforward
[18:44] <alexvd_> especially over NFS
[18:45] <alexvd_> This would be a huge benefit when storage groups gets released in .21
[18:45]  * laga installs mythbuntu-control-centre on this box
[18:46] <alexvd_> I have sata drives and the main mythbuntu right now is in scsi.  It worked very well
[18:46] <alexvd_> that is one of the reasons i am looking to move from knoppmyth
[18:46] <alexvd_> I like mythbuntu so far!!!
[18:47] <laga> that's great to hear :)
[18:50] <alexvd_> So would it be possible to have a control panel item that had drive management.  I would love it if thier was a way you could see all the drives and shares and then have tools to format them with questions on what is the best format jfs, xfs or ext 3 and ways to mount them.
[18:50] <alexvd_> Mythtv has good way to manage tuners but not drives.
[18:51] <laga> yeah, because managing drives is a responsibility of the OS (partially at least)
[18:52] <laga> your suggestion sounds very good, but it might make more sense to use some pre-existing software. i use _k_ubuntu so i don't know what there's in gnome
[18:52] <laga> can you turn your suggestion into a blueprint?
[18:53] <alexvd_> Right I understand that. but that is what a good gui is for.  Especially for new users.  In particular setting up NFS to centrally store all recordings vs having each box setup as frontend backend with a drive is a pain.
[18:53] <alexvd_> Blueprint hmmmmm I am not sure what you mean.  Do something in visio?
[18:53] <laga> heh, not quite
[18:53] <laga> let me get you the URL
[18:54] <laga> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/
[18:54] <laga> ^^ you click on "register a blueprint" there and enter yours
[18:54] <laga> assuming you're registered with launchpad
[18:54] <alexvd_> woah i am way out of my league but i will try :)
[18:55] <rhpot1991> gparted will let you manage your drives pretty well
[18:55] <alexvd_> yeah i have used that.  However can you use gparted without the cd
[18:55] <rhpot1991> ya
[18:55] <rhpot1991> well in ubuntu itself
[18:55] <alexvd_> hmmm please tell me how in mythbuntu
[18:55] <laga> registering with launchpad is good because you get to complain to us when something breaks
[18:55] <rhpot1991> I'm not positive it is there in mythbuntu
[18:55] <laga> sudo apt-get install gparted
[18:55] <alexvd_> ok thats simple
[18:56] <alexvd_> i use ubuntu now for my main desktop
[18:56] <alexvd_> so i know ubuntu somewhat
[18:56] <alexvd_> The reason I learned linux and ubuntu was so I could interact with knoppmyth
[18:56] <laga> or just use synaptic or whatever package management tool you like :)
[18:57] <alexvd_> I have learned how to use terminal :)
[18:57] <rhpot1991> gparted doesn't do much with LVM's though
[18:57] <alexvd_> dont want LVM
[18:57] <alexvd_> i want storage groups
[18:57] <rhpot1991> ah ok
[18:57] <rhpot1991> isn't that in svn?
[18:57] <alexvd_> yes
[18:57] <alexvd_> i will have to upgrade mythbuntu to run svn trunk
[18:58] <laga> do you know that we have packages?
[18:58] <alexvd_> it is frankly a bit scary because then if i screw something up Mike whats his name on gossammer threads will yell at me that I am using svn
[18:58] <laga> hehe
[18:58] <laga> michael t dean? :)
[18:58] <alexvd_> yeah think that is him
[18:59] <alexvd_> he types looooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggg emails
[18:59] <alexvd_> you have the packages so that i just need to enable the sources right
[18:59] <laga> yeah
[18:59] <alexvd_> and get the key
[19:00] <laga> i think the packages are signed with the same key
[19:00] <alexvd_> thats my project for today
[19:00] <alexvd_> get it runninng with storage groups and get my slavebackend frontend running
[19:00] <rhpot1991> laga how stable is it?
[19:00] <laga> um, depends
[19:00] <bendailey> alexvd_: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[19:00] <laga> 0.20.2 is more stable IMHO
[19:00] <laga> but it's pretty stable i'd say
[19:01] <laga> but remember what they say: never change a running system
[19:02] <alexvd_> thanks bendaily saw that last night.  That is why I like ubuntu.  I love Cecil and the guys at Knoppmyth but everytime i have to upgrade i fubar my system
[19:02] <laga> having a backup is always a very good idea
[19:05] <alexvd_> i have tried that.  they have good scripts but the latest build screwed me up
[19:05] <bendailey> alexvd_: switching to trunk builds with mythbuntu is literally a 4 step process described at the url above I would add a 5th step reboot
[19:05] <alexvd_> i had old nvidia card in my backend and i could not get it to load the old nvidia drivers
[19:05] <alexvd_> Ben thats why I am here ?
[19:06] <alexvd_> Ben thats why I am switching to mythbuntu :)
[19:08] <Tracy_Work> Hey!
[19:09] <alexvd_> Laga one question though...  For some reason it took a really long time to install just the backend for mythbuntu.  On knoppmyth I could install in like 15 minutes.
[19:09] <Tracy_Work> Trying to figure out how to configure a kworld plustv hd pci card
[19:09] <laga> alexvd_: the backend? like, the whole distro in a backend configuration or just mythbackend itself?
[19:09] <alexvd_> it may be its just the first time but it seemed to take along time.
[19:09] <Tracy_Work> I've got mythtv recognizing it but now I'm having trouble setting it up to detect channels
[19:10] <alexvd_> Installing mythbuntu from the dvd and then just configuring backend only
[19:10] <laga> hm
[19:10] <laga> alexvd_: never heard that before
[19:10] <alexvd_> It is an old 1ghz machine with 256 memory but for a backend its just fine
[19:10] <laga> alexvd_: you might w..
[19:10] <laga> ah
[19:10] <laga> well
[19:11] <laga> 256M RAM might be enough for the knoppmyth text installer
[19:11] <alexvd_> ahhhh
[19:11] <laga> but since mythbuntu is based on a live cd, it's certainly not a lot of memory for that
[19:11] <alexvd_> its RDRAM so its expensive I may have to upgrade
[19:11] <alexvd_> ok thats fine,
[19:11] <laga> well
[19:11] <laga> if it works now, just dont care too much about it
[19:12] <alexvd_> yep
[19:12] <alexvd_> thanks
[19:12] <laga> upgrading just to make our installer run faster seems silly ;)
[19:12] <alexvd_> Yes,  where is the best guide for mounting drives in ubuntu and setting up nfs so that i can stream my frontends to the backend and record everything in one place
[19:13] <Tracy_Work> Has anyone gotten a PlusTV HD PCI (ATSC 115) to work in mythbuntu?
[19:13] <alexvd_> i sort of hacked my way through ubuntu but it was ugly
[19:13] <alexvd_> Sorry Knoppmyth which is based on debian too
[19:14] <alexvd_> Tracy sorry I dont have that card.  Did you check the gossammer threads mythtv user list
[19:14] <laga> i'd just use a generic guide to nfs on ubuntu :)
[19:14] <alexvd_> Laga thanks
[19:15] <Tracy_Work> Have no idea where to find those threads. :D This is my first experience with mythtv and I figured I'd use mythbuntu as a baby step
[19:15] <laga> "baby step"? what's next? linux from scratch? ;)
[19:15] <Tracy_Work> I read something about an atsc 110 card and how to make that work on the mythtv site and now I've got it being detected
[19:15] <Tracy_Work> welll
[19:16] <Tracy_Work> perhaps doing straight debian first ;)
[19:16] <Tracy_Work> Then onto linux from scratch
[19:16] <Tracy_Work> :D
[19:16] <laga> im sure you'll find that our packages are maintained better than marillat's (no offense to him)
[19:17] <Tracy_Work> laga are you one of the mythbuntu developers then?
[19:17] <Tracy_Work> Because I'm really impressed by it
[19:18] <laga> yeah, kinda
[19:18] <laga> glad to hear that
[19:18] <laga> (suck-up ;))
[19:18] <Tracy_Work> :D hey doesn't hurt to boost the ole ego now and again
[19:18] <tgm4883> trust me, laga's ego doesn't need any more boosting
[19:18] <Tracy_Work> *lol*
[19:19] <tgm4883> he's almost to the level of foxbuntu ego
[19:19] <tgm4883> ;)
[19:19] <Tracy_Work> Wow!
[19:20] <Tracy_Work> Must say I've only been tinkering with linux for about 7 months, nothing major just trying some things like clark connect and ubuntu and I definetly have fallen in love with Linux
[19:21] <Tracy_Work> Figured that setting up a mythbox would help me learn more, especially if I used some not so easily installed hardware like the kworld card I'm using
[19:23] <Tracy_Work> Hey stupid question, when I was configuring it in mythtv it was as dvb, when I was doing a channel scan it scanned all the way up to 78 and listed channels but didn't show anything. Would it find things if I hooked it straight up to the cable box?
[19:24] <tgm4883> Tracy_Work, it would find channel 3 :)
[19:24] <laga> heh
[19:25] <Tracy_Work> ah.....................*smacks forhead* and if it finds channel three it will need to hook up to the cable box to change the channel
[19:25] <tgm4883> yes
[19:25] <tgm4883> you could stream via firewire if your in the US
[19:25] <Tracy_Work> Thanks for helping me see the forest :)
[19:26] <Tracy_Work> I'm in the US but......my cable box is one of the older motorola boxes with the serial port. I thought that was weird so looked up a bit of info on it.
[19:27] <tgm4883> you should call your cable company, they are required by law to give you one with a working firewire port
[19:27] <Tracy_Work> Really?
[19:27] <tgm4883> yep
[19:27] <tgm4883> i'll see if I can look the law up
[19:27] <Tracy_Work> What's the law so I can quote it to them if they don't want to listen?
[19:27] <Tracy_Work> thans tgm4883
[19:28] <tgm4883> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire#FCC_regulations
[19:29] <rhpot1991> I think that only applies to HD boxes
[19:29] <rhpot1991> not SD
[19:29] <Tracy_Work> Ok, 3 questions for ya
[19:29] <Tracy_Work> 1, I've got digital cable that comes with certain HD channels, does this apply to that?
[19:30] <tgm4883> whose your cable company?
[19:30] <Tracy_Work> 2. does the firewire allow me to control and watch tv?
[19:30] <tgm4883> 1. I believe so
[19:30] <tgm4883> 2.  Yes
[19:30] <Tracy_Work> and 3 does hd degrade gracefully into regular cable?
[19:30] <Tracy_Work> I don't have an HD tv yet
[19:30] <Tracy_Work> I'm using Suddenlink
[19:31] <tgm4883> 3.  Not sure, I have a HDTV, I would think that you would get black bars on the top and bottom, but would be fine otherwise
[19:31] <Tracy_Work> Cool!
[19:31] <rhpot1991> I think they are only required to dive you access to locally broadcasted HD channels
[19:31] <rhpot1991> they can encrypt the rest
[19:31] <rhpot1991> s/dive/give/
[19:31] <tgm4883> rhpot1991 is right, they are also required to give you locally broadcast channels , but can encrypt the rest
[19:31] <tgm4883> they may or may not do that though
[19:32] <Tracy_Work> hmmm I'm going to need to check them out when I get home, if its showing any other than the basic hd and I can view them I'll know more
[19:32] <Tracy_Work> Shouldn't be a problem was only planning on one myth box for now anyways
[19:33] <Tracy_Work> Guys thanks for the help and advice, I'll let you all know how it works out.
[19:33] <tgm4883> be carefull how you procede, starting with one mythbox may lead to many many more :)
[19:33] <rhpot1991> heh, clearly having multiple backends is the way to be
[19:34] <Tracy_Work> *lol* true
[19:34] <Tracy_Work> Will probably head down that way, but before I did I'd need to set up a file server first to store all my mp3's and my dvd's so I wouldn't have to worry about anymore fingerprints on them
[20:13] <Tracy_Work> So how can a guy who's not a coder or graphics artist get more involved with mythbuntu?
[20:15] <laga> bug triaging, helping out in the forums, write documentation, propose enhancements
[20:15] <laga> etc ;)
[20:15] <Tracy_Work> cool!
[20:15] <Tracy_Work> Well I'll definetly write up some documentation on how to do this card once I've got it working
[20:16] <Tracy_Work> If I can put it in plain english might help everyone out :D
[20:16] <laga> heh+
[20:17] <laga> or you can do my homework so i can spend more timing coding ;)
[20:18] <Tracy_Work> What can I say, the more I learn about Linux the more I love it
[20:18] <Tracy_Work> laga I doubt you'd be saying that if you saw my grades :D Hell I only graduated 2 years ago with a 2.75 GPA and a bachelors in business mgmt
[20:18] <laga> wonder when the bugs are gonna make you bitter
[20:18]  * laga hides
[20:19] <Tracy_Work> *chuckles* Hell I do IT for a living, bugs are par for the course
[20:19] <Tracy_Work> besides its always better than Vista
[20:19] <Tracy_Work> :D
[20:21] <laga> true
[20:21] <laga> anything is better than vista
[20:21] <Tracy_Work> I think Vista is the biggest nightmare of any IT person
[20:21] <Tracy_Work> I've flat out told my bosses that we won't upgrade to Vista
[20:22] <laga> ffs.
[20:22] <Tracy_Work> If we have to stay with windows desktops better XP Pro than Vista
[20:22] <laga> my laptop hard drive keeps spinning up and down although i've set the timeout to 150s
[21:20] <michaellamothe> Hi everyone.
[21:22] <laga> hi
[21:22] <michaellamothe> Some friends of mine over in #ubuntu-motu said that I could ask here for testing of my DVB application.  Are you guys able to help me with testing?  Please :)
[21:23] <michaellamothe> It's a GNOME based DVB application.
[21:23] <michaellamothe> Pretty please.
[21:26] <michaellamothe> I'm really just trying to get an advocate for Hardy.  It's quite stable now but there aren't many MOTUs that have DVB cards who are on GNOME.
[21:28] <michaellamothe> I've been told (by some MOTUs) that the package is in great health.  All I'm asking is that you play with the application to make sure that it works.
[21:29] <laga> try #linuxtv? :)
[21:29] <michaellamothe> laga: Thanks for the response.
[21:29] <laga> oops
[21:29] <laga> didn't read your last few sentences
[21:30] <laga> my wlan is a bit annoying sometimes.
[21:30] <laga> i'm not using gnome so i can't help you a lot
[21:30] <michaellamothe> Tell me about it.
[21:31] <michaellamothe> laga: This is problem I'm facing.  All the guys with DVB cards are on KDE.  That's probably because KDE has much cooler DVB applications.  Hence why I wrote the program.
[21:31] <laga> ubuntu forums mkight be another good place to ask
[21:32] <laga> god, this power saving mode is making my connection lag like hell
[21:33] <laga> michaellamothe: my dvb cards reside in a box without an X server, which is another problem you might be facing with mythtv users :)
[21:33] <michaellamothe> Thanks for your help.  What type of laptop is it?
[21:34] <laga> it's intel's new santa rosa platform. _almost_ working well with linux ;)
[21:35] <michaellamothe> I bought the most cheap-ass Dell I could find and it works great.  But yes, the power saving options don't seem to work.
[21:35] <laga> i suppose you have already found powertop?
[21:35] <michaellamothe> No, but I have now.
[21:36] <laga> www.lesswatts.org is a great ressource
[21:37] <laga> but some of their tips only work with newer kernels/newer X drivers
[21:37] <michaellamothe> I'm on 64.  Has it made it in?
[21:37] <laga> i was referring to 2.6.24 ;)
[21:38] <laga> eg the aggressive link power management for SATA and a few other goodies
[21:38] <laga> never mind though, even the "basic" stuff can save you some power
[21:40] <michaellamothe> Ta ... I'll give that a go.
[21:41] <laga> and don't break anything :)
[21:47] <superm1_> woah
[21:47] <superm1_> what happened ot the world
[21:47] <superm1_> laga is in here.
[21:47] <superm1_> michaellamothe, what app?
[21:48] <superm1_> are you the me-tv guy?
[21:48] <michaellamothe> superm1_: Hi there, yep, I'm the Me TV guy.
[21:48] <superm1_> ah
[21:49] <superm1_> michaellamothe, so you haven't tested the app yet?
[21:49] <superm1_> or what's the situation?
[21:51] <michaellamothe> superm1_: I've tested the application.  My wife uses it everyday.  I have people using it from Australia, Spain, France and Germany that I know of.
[21:52] <superm1_> so what is the issue in -motu then?
[21:52] <superm1_> do you need another ack?
[21:52] <superm1_> or what?
[21:52] <michaellamothe> I'm not getting a lot of reponse from them ... some guys are really nice (persia) but because they don't have a DVB card they are not going to advocate it.
[21:53] <superm1_> michaellamothe, do atsc cards work?
[21:53] <michaellamothe> I need my first advocate.
[21:53] <superm1_> since they are dvb based?
[21:53] <superm1_> if so i can give it a run and take a look
[21:54] <michaellamothe> superm1_: Haven't tried but I would bet they wouldn't unless they are reported as one of the other T/S/C type of card, very sorry.
[21:55] <michaellamothe> superm1_: But now that I know that you people do exist, I'll start adding support now.
[21:55] <superm1_> michaellamothe, i'll be glad to test it with my hardware once the support is there
[21:56] <superm1_> laga can you try it even though your kubuntu?
[21:56] <superm1_> laga, you've got some dvb stuff
[21:56] <superm1_> michaellamothe, i
[21:56] <michaellamothe> superm1_: Thank you, it's really hard to test without people with the hardware.  I currently have this problem with DVB-S.
[21:57] <superm1_> michaellamothe, i'll be glad to review the packaging and ack it after reviewing it later this week
[21:57] <superm1_> michaellamothe, i've got a lot going on until fri/sat or so, so it will have to wait until then at least
[21:57] <laga> superm1_: only in my master backend w/o X
[21:58] <superm1_> laga, you should still be able to x forward this
[21:58] <superm1_> laga, just to make sure "basic" stuff works
[21:58] <superm1_> right?
[21:59] <michaellamothe> superm1_: I doubt that I'd have ATSC support by then ... even so, it'd be in my development (unstable) branch which is not the one I'm promoting for Hardy.  But I'd really like to get ATSC working.  Thanks for the offer of help.
[21:59] <michaellamothe> superm1_, laga: I've tried this and it works.  Damn slow though.
[21:59] <superm1_> michaellamothe, well if someone else in here will ack the dvb functionality (even if its someone you know who has it working coming in here to say so), i'll be glad to ack on their basis after reviewing packaging and stuff
[21:59] <S10loridr> i am having an issue with my mythbuntu front end, im sure i am missing something simple. When i do the "test" to connect to the backend it is successful. When i go to "Watch Videos" on the front end I do not see any of the videos that I have on the backend, it is just empty. What am i missing?
[22:00] <superm1_> michaellamothe, i know how hard it is to get something like this in otherwise
[22:01] <michaellamothe> superm1_: I hear that.  You've heard me "banging-on" over on at -motu and now the packaging is done and in a very healthy state.
[22:01] <michaellamothe> superm1_ so hopefully you won't have to much work to do.
[22:03] <michaellamothe> The URL for REVU is http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=me-tv.
[22:04] <superm1_> michaellamothe, okay, i'll be able to get to it later this week.  i've got some other things i'm busy with until then.  if you manage to get another ack before that, i'll upload with my ack
[22:05] <michaellamothe> superm1_: Awesome, thanks.
[22:06] <michaellamothe> laga: Are you able to help me?
[22:06] <laga> will it work on feisty?
[22:07] <michaellamothe> laga: It requires GTK 2.12, so no.  Is that an issue?
[22:08] <Trimble_Lurks> Hiya SuperM1 :)
[22:09] <michaellamothe> laga: I mean, it would be possible to upgrade GTK but then that's not really feisty, is it?
[22:10] <laga> looks like feisty has 2.10
[22:11] <laga> sorry, no unstable packages on a stable box :/
[22:11] <michaellamothe> laga: Sure, are you running Etch?
[22:11] <laga> no, feisty
[22:11] <laga> :)
[22:13] <michaellamothe> laga: Oh well, thanks for the chat.  Do you know if there's someone else I can pester later?
[22:13] <laga> try the ubuntu forums?
[22:15] <michaellamothe> It just seems really hard to find GNOME people with DVB using Ubuntu that are also MOTUs.  I have plenty of non-MOTUs who love the application.
[22:15] <laga> probably becasuse the more knowledgeable prefer kde
[22:15] <laga> no offense
[22:16] <superm1_> michaellamothe, like i said if you bring a non motu in who just says that its working, that will be good enough
[22:16] <michaellamothe> That's ok, no offence taken.  It's true.
[22:16] <superm1_> laga isn't a motu even.
[22:17] <superm1_> laga, that is an overzealous generalization
[22:17] <michaellamothe> My wife is not the "more knowledgeable" ... :)
[22:17] <laga> superm1_: i know.
[22:17] <michaellamothe> michaellamothe: That's my audience.
[22:17] <michaellamothe> michaellamothe: not geeks.
[22:18] <laga> superm1_: but remember what torvalds said ;)
[22:18] <superm1_> i don't care what he said.
[22:18] <superm1_> he is a kernel developer, not a usability expert
[22:19] <laga> *sigh*
[22:19] <laga> behold. angry gnome users.
[22:20] <superm1_> i'm not angry
[22:20] <superm1_> i'm just saying you can't make such a generalization with no basis
[22:21] <michaellamothe> Thanks for the char guys.  Gotta go.
[22:21] <laga> yeah, i know. i should have made it clearer that i wasn't entirely serious about that.
[22:21] <superm1_> haha
[22:21] <superm1_> i figured as much :)
[22:22] <laga> kde has more knobs which attracts the geeks, i suppose. i dont care whether someone uses gnome, kde or xfce
[22:22] <laga> it's just that the sad state of kde in kubuntu makes me sad sometimes. one of these days i'll do something about it
[22:25] <laga> besides, has anyone seen proof that gnome actually has interface designers? :)
[22:25] <superm1_> they're gnome people, why would they lie!
[22:46] <Trimble_Epic> i still can't get my tuner to stick to channel 3 when a channel change script is in place :(
[22:47] <superm1_>  Trimble_Epic i'm actually wondering if maybe you encountered a bug?
[22:47] <Trimble_Epic> maybe I have :(
[22:47] <superm1_> Trimble_Epic, i haven't been able to follow all day, as i've been a bit busy
[22:47] <Trimble_Epic> would you like a recap?
[22:47] <superm1_> but did you get around to trying composite / svid yet?
[22:48] <Trimble_Epic> I tried.  I couldn't get it to come in.  the options in setup has 2 different svideo and 2 different composite inputs.. i tried both of the composites, and i couldn't get a picture to come in,
[22:48] <Trimble_Epic> in both cases, it didn't even show snow - it just fell back to the main menu.
[22:48] <superm1_> that sounds like you didn't properly bind it in mythtv-setup
[22:49] <Trimble_Epic> perhaps.
[22:49] <superm1_> if it just fell back to the menu
[22:49] <Trimble_Epic> I did go into input sources and attached Schedules Direct to each of composite 1 and composite 2, and I also went into the video source and selected composite 1 and composite 2 (2 tries) as the default input...
[22:50] <Trimble_Epic> but i'm very willing to admit i may have made a mistake/left out a setting
[22:50] <superm1_> i dont have mythtv-setup in front of me where i'm at, but that sounds right
[22:50] <superm1_> did you look at the log?
[22:51] <superm1_> /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[22:51] <Trimble_Epic> i think so, but I wasn't sure what to look for
[22:52] <superm1_> something about why it couldn't activate the device
[22:53] <Trimble_Epic> i mean, I did see that the external channel change script exited without error, but what I wanted to see was that the pvr150 was getting set to channel 3, then the external channel change script was executing.  I didn't see that.  Instead I saw something like "TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1
[22:53] <Trimble_Epic> "
[22:53] <Trimble_Epic> but i;m not sure that's related to the internan tuner getting set to channel 3.
[22:53] <Trimble_Epic> there's a dump at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46008/
[22:54] <Trimble_Epic> though, if you look at the bottom of it, I obviously did an accidental paste into my putty (hehehe oops)
[22:55] <superm1_> hm
[22:55] <superm1_> okay so these probably arent good: MythSocket(823d0a0:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket w
[22:55] <superm1_> ent unconnected.
[22:55] <Trimble_Epic> greek to me :(
[23:03] <superm1_> um
[23:03] <superm1_> well i'm not sure what to say
[23:03] <superm1_> can you try to configure it once more with svid/comp
[23:03] <superm1_> and make sure that you don't miss out on any settings
[23:03] <superm1_> or get confused by anything along the way?
[23:04] <Trimble_Epic> i can try it, sure.  but it's not really what my goal to get working is
[23:06] <superm1_> well those errors are usually very transient
[23:06] <superm1_> so i'm hoping that this time around they dont crop up
[23:06] <superm1_> and if they do, we can put things into a more verbose mode
[23:07] <superm1_> to find out why
[23:18] <Trimble_Epic> ok, i went through setup 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.  set to composite 1, everything appears right.
[23:18] <Trimble_Epic> but it still just comes back to menu when i do Watch TV.  lemme go check the log.  if I can remember how ;)
[23:21] <Trimble_Epic> :(
[23:32] <superm1_> hm
[23:38] <Trimble_Epic> ya know what, super, don't worry about it today.. i'm gonna play some wow and worry about it again in 2 weeks when i get back from my trip :(
[23:43] <superm1_> okay