[00:29] Ashfire908 called the ops in #ubuntu () === vorian is now known as vorian_afk === no0tic_ is now known as no0tic [01:16] hm the bot in #gentoo seems to ban some exploit attempts automatically [01:16] Hello requesting a cloak, https://launchpad.net/~j.bourne [01:16] LjL: what sort of exploits? [01:17] LjL, wasn't that a normal person? [01:17] PriceChild, no. well, the normal person banned hoperator (but that was a NOTICE, which the bot probably doesn't parts), but the bot banned... another clueless guy who asked what that command would do :) [01:17] Seeker`: /server mail specifically [01:18] that guy caught the k-train [01:18] i know [01:18] Seeker`, wait rej is a bot? [01:18] err no [01:18] mzbot is a bot [01:19] ahhh missed that one :D [01:22] Bourne: please type /msg nickserv set master Bourne [01:22] /msg nickserv set master Bourne [01:23] * Bourne done [01:24] * ST47 stares at +l 1190 [01:24] ST47, what's up? [01:24] * ST47 ponders idly the use of such a high limit [01:24] sigh [01:24] ST47, the bot is in testing... that's what it'll be setting in #ubuntu some time soon perhaps [01:25] ah :) [01:25] ST47: nah, we're just really popular on weekends [01:25] ;) [01:35] If someone tries to flood with 1141 bots, they will be thwarted! [01:38] that would be seriously impressive [01:40] i think they would probably deserve to flood the channel if they had that many bots :P [01:42] "Botnet, I choose you!" [01:43] pffft, Pikachu wins! [01:49] Synced to #ubuntu, 1185 users present [01:56] debugcount [01:56] 1182 users in #ubuntu - limit at 1191 === Pici` is now known as Pici === vorian is now known as vorian_afk [02:01] debugcount [02:01] 1176 users in #ubuntu - limit at 1191 [02:01] :] [02:05] !ops | Mass join [02:05] WARNING: Channel CTCP on #ubuntu (ACTIO) [02:05] kahrytan called the ops in #ubuntu () [02:06] That was colourful [02:07] LjL: <3 floodbot [02:08] ACTIO? [02:08] * BaD_CrC has quit (K-lined) [02:08] * BaD-Laptop has quit (K-lined) [02:08] was there actually a CTCP ACTIO, or was that the bot acting up? [02:08] yeah weren't those legitimate? [02:08] seen those for some time... was that intentional? [02:08] seen them around [02:08] Hes a 'usual' in offtopic [02:09] !staff | the above two nicknames might have been k-lined mistakenly [02:09] the above two nicknames might have been k-lined mistakenly: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2 or Christel, I could use a bit of your time :) [02:09] LjL: are you sure? [02:09] LjL, I don't see any ctcp [02:10] nalioth: i'm sure they were k-lined, and i'm also pretty sure they weren't part of the botswarm. they were in other channels too (#debian for instance), and they've been around for some time. then if there were other reasons to k-line them, i don't know them [02:10] LjL: unklined [02:15] I didn't get any messages about a CTCP ACTIO [02:15] perhaps clients interpret it as an ACTION anyway [02:15] in which case my bots are ok [02:15] I think thats what it was trying to say [02:15] but perhaps my bots stripped the last characters for some reason [02:15] in which case that would be a Very Bad Thing (tm) [02:16] but aren't actions usually sent to the whole channel? [02:16] yup [02:16] Seeker`: not always [02:16] well if you're in a query, you send them in the query [02:16] but it's the only kind of CTCP that's normally tolerated in channels [02:17] why did the bot detect that one then? [02:17] hmm anyway, i think it was the bots. and i think it happened because their read buffer overruns when there's too much stuff coming... which might also explain the mis-count yesterday after the splits [02:17] somerville32, /me *is* the command that causes a CTCP ACTION [02:18] Seeker`: because there were a lot of CTCP ACTIONs sent to the whole channel. the bot is programmed to ignore them. only, it detected a CTCP "ACTIO" [02:18] which it is not programmed to ignore, but which never really happened [02:18] hmm [02:19] I bet once the bots are in use properly, there wont be any mass joins for ages :P [02:20] Seeker`, they'll !ops | mass join anyway when the limit is hit [02:21] Plus I'm betting that the bots have some sort of throttling that causes them to retry a join if that happens [02:22] nope, they don't. legitimate users being left out should just not happen [02:22] if it happens (at least more than once a week) the parameters should just be re-tuned [02:23] LjL: I think Pici meant the spam bots [02:23] I did. [02:24] Pici, Seeker`: ah well, in that case they'll still fail, when there's more than 10 or so of them already in [02:24] oh, and while we're talking about modes, can we keep +z in #ubuntu? I think someone keeps removing it. [02:25] Pici, +z is "bad" because, when +R is set, people who aren't registered cannot realize that they aren't being heard [02:25] hm [02:25] * PriceChild smiles at [02:26] LjL: aren't we usually paying attention and telling them then anyway? [02:26] LjL: its also bad when we're trying to mute for paste floods and not knowing when they're over [02:26] tonyyarusso, err... you /whois everyone who speaks and check whether or not they're registered? [02:26] Pici, i just kick, and i think that's better. still, you can set it when doing that... [02:27] I'll just keep note of it. [02:27] sleep time [02:27] night [02:27] night [02:28] LjL: point [02:28] LjL, #ubuntu is yours [02:29] if i left +r set for two more minutes i'd insult the idiots in -unregged. [02:30] Did that person who joins -unregged before we get bot attacks show up? [02:30] LjL, I wouldn't -r until nalioth says its cool and quietenned down. [02:30] uhm nope [02:31] well i'm not seeing k-lines in the other big channels i'm in [03:02] Synced to #ubuntu, 1173 users present [03:02] EXCEPTION: Line without linefeed () [03:07] Synced to #ubuntu, 1170 users present [03:11] Synced to #ubuntu, 1170 users present [03:17] LjL: *please* do something to reduce the channel mode spam in here? [03:18] please? [03:18] mneptok: /ignore the bots [03:18] mneptok: we'll let you know when they quit crying wolf [03:18] so you can unignore them [03:20] the ChanServ and LjL mode changes will still be seen. is there a reason this pre-deployment testing is happening on a channel we actually use? [03:20] mneptok, like stop fixing bugs in them? [03:20] mneptok, so that everybody can spot problems. [03:20] can't this be tested in #ubuntu-bots? [03:20] LjL: like get them off public channels until you're reasonably certain the bug count is low? [03:21] mneptok, how can i be reasonably certain the bug count is low if the only guy trying to spot bugs is the programmer i.e. myself? [03:21] LjL: ask people to help rather than recruiting help through forced spamminess? [03:22] debugquit [03:22] Exiting due to debug command [03:23] it's a great idea, and i think they'll be very useful. and it rocks you're dealing with it. but at this point 75% of this channel's traffic the past week has been bet mode changes. [03:23] *bot [03:23] It isn't like this is a high traffic channel, mneptok :P [03:23] mneptok: not to mention that the "!ops | mass join" in here actually helped me, and i guess others, react quickly to the attack earlier. [03:23] somerville32: yeah because everything said here tends to be important and needs to be read by all ops [03:24] meh I'm pretty neutral on this [03:24] said != mode change [03:24] * Hobbsee would just use ignores [03:24] slightly bothered by a modechange every 5 minutes [03:24] anyway, please join #ubuntu-ops-monitor if you want to help and/or receive warning messages from the bot. nalioth, please either restart your bot in that channel or wait a minute for new code (you should, there's plenty of changes) [03:26] i think /ignore-ing bots is a bit more risky than having to /join a special channel to interact with them. they *are* useful, so an /ignore is something i'd do lightly [03:26] NOT do [03:26] bah. [03:26] they're muted in #ubuntu anyway, so they'd hardly do anything in there [03:27] * mneptok goes to write his "Murray Cumming Is A Bigger Ass Than Is Jeff Waugh, But I Am A Bigger Ass Than Murray Cumming So There" blag post === LjL changed the topic of #ubuntu-ops to: Welcome to the home of the Ubuntu IRC Team operators | This channel is for operator/abuse questions only | Support in #ubuntu, #kubuntu etc... | IRC team info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam | Operators, please join #ubuntu-ops-monitor and help hunting down bugs in the FloodBots | The IRC council reserves the right to remove idlers from the channel [03:40] * ajmitch looks at the topic & wonders if he counts as an idler [03:42] reserve the right != do it always [03:48] ajmitch: nah it's more of a problem for trolls who will lurk in here to gather info to call out ops in realtime [03:50] * ajmitch de-trolls [03:50] like that pesky jdong troll [03:50] I only tend to troll in special places [03:50] :) [03:50] what's up with GNOME recently? [03:50] nothing new in GNOME [03:51] lol, so what about me? :) [03:51] no0tic: can we help you? [03:53] uhm... why did you nazi operators have banned me out of #ubuntu?!! :) [03:54] did you deserve it? :) [03:54] no0tic: one moment please, let me check the ban tracker. [03:54] let me check my logs, you ba***rd [03:54] :D [03:55] ok, I stop here [03:55] no0tic: I noticed you said envision, which is almost like envy. This is unacceptable. Come back in 40 years and ask again please. [03:55] lol that's enough parody for one night ;-) [03:55] if Pricey were here I'd add a few britishisms. [03:55] * ajmitch looks for a banhammer [03:55] * jdong cowers [03:57] jdong, I think I would not understand them :) [03:57] jdong: re: GNOME. the murrayc vs jdub bit? [03:59] mneptok: yeah I've been noticing a bit of clamoring in that dept [03:59] some leakage onto planet ubuntu [04:00] mneptok: you should get them all together for a group hug [04:00] from GIMPnet: [04:00] 16:46 <@mneptok> hooboy - http://www.murrayc.com/blog/permalink/2007/11/26/gnome-board-2007-candidates-the-bad/ [04:00] 16:46 <@mneptok> remain in your isolation cocoons until the green smoke is released. [04:00] * ajmitch nods [04:01] you know that "i'm going to not make eye contact, and back up *veeeeeeeeeeeeeeery* slowly" reaction a LOT of people have with me? i'm hawing that feeling now. [04:01] *having [04:02] mneptok: is that your public or private life? [04:02] at the same time, i'm not leaving visual range of the intersection until i'm sure there's not going to be a pile-up. [04:02] jdong: my privates are pubic. [04:02] :) [04:03] * jdong tries to figure out if that is a typo or pun [04:03] * mneptok woggles an eyebrow [04:03] and in case you think i'm some sort of aberration, i got this from my sister tonight: [04:03] Emma will be dancing in the Nutcracker this weekend, so we've been looking at, talking about and singing tunes about nutcrackers. [04:03] you, an aberration? never! [04:03] Tonight at bedtime, I turned off the light and told the story of the ballet to her by soft night light - subbing in names of those she knows... sorta'... The little girl was "Clemma" - her brother was, "Davitz" - Uncle Drosselmeyer became Uncle Kurtlemeyer, the prince became the Dince (Daddy-prince - since he's been dancing with Emma). [04:04] Going through the story, I got to the part where the Nutcracker and soldiers battle the mouse king and mice... [04:04] Me (quite voice, hint of mystery/awe): "And the Nutcracker and all his soldiers won the battle. And because he was so brave and defeated the mouse king, the Nutcracker turned into a real prince." [04:04] Emma: "Did they slice the skin off the mice?" [04:04] (Emma is my 4yo niece) [04:04] yes. four. [04:04] :D [04:04] she takes after Uncle Kurt, it seems. :) [04:04] you've corrupted the child [04:05] Kurt is such a nice name :] [04:05] corrupted, or liberated? [04:05] I'm going to name my child Kurt. [04:06] that poor child [04:32] * Hobbsee pokes mneptok with the crazy-stick. [04:34] * nalioth watches the crazy-stick go from 'crazy' to 'BSI' [04:38] bsi? [04:38] oh, batshit insane, i presume. [04:38] maybe i should use that on my customers. [04:40] "Sir please try the BSI line" === crdlb_ is now known as crdlb [05:09] Who was that person that I used to talk to here that was from #gaygeeks? [05:09] is #gaygeeks quite literally what the channel name describes? [05:09] somerville32: GazzaK/Gary ? [05:10] jdong, Yea. [05:10] Didn't mneptok hang out there too? [05:10] Maybe it was Garry [05:12] somerville32: probably Gary [05:13] are there a lot of gaygeeks? :) [05:13] I would imagine, lol [05:13] :) [05:13] A number of them hang out at #gaygeeks [05:14] do you have to be gay to lurk? :) [05:14] I don't think so [05:15] you do to lurk in -ask tho [05:15] *-asl [05:15] not ask :p [05:15] lol [05:15] * jdong goes pop into #gaygeeks [05:17] I wish Scott would idle in there so I'd feel better about trying to hit on him :/ [05:17] lol [05:20] odd.... [05:20] why can't I find the package linux-kernel-devel with apt? [05:20] tonyyarusso: linux-headers-generic? [05:20] :) [05:20] l-k-d is a debianism [05:20] !info linux-kernel-devel [05:20] linux-kernel-devel: Linux kernel hacking dependencies. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22-14.46 (gutsy), package size 45 kB, installed size 72 kB [05:21] jdong: It's listed on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile?highlight=%28kernel%29 and http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/devel/linux-kernel-devel [05:21] oh it's build-essential for kernels [05:21] got it [05:21] forgot about that [05:22] seems it's missing in my mirror [10:05] gordonjcp called the ops in #ubuntu (a-arschi) === GazzaK is now known as Gary === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee [13:03] PriceChild: why -z? [13:04] because it gets very confusing in bot attacks when we do +rR [13:04] Hey Bourne. [13:04] * Bourne Hello PriceChild. [13:08] oh, is *that* why the -z's never seem to be in the channels? [13:08] Hobbsee, whatcha mean? [13:08] are you secretly +z'ing during the day then me fighting back in the night? [13:08] well, i keep having to turn them on when i want to use them [13:08] nah [13:08] * Pici too [13:08] not usually [13:09] hehe [13:09] ah for when you mute a troll? [13:09] yes [13:09] yes [13:09] Perhaps I'll just make it part of my mute/unmute script [13:09] or just kick them. [13:10] I remember several months ago +m'ing a random reasonably active channel... then getting completely confused when people kept talking. :P [13:13] You +m'ed a random channel?? [13:14] how random? [13:14] :-D [13:14] by random I mean something probably not to do with ubuntu, can't remember [13:14] * jussi01 has visions of #ubuntu +m'ed... [13:14] I've had to +m #ubuntu before. [13:15] and it was all -z'd and nice :) [13:43] uh, why am i here? [13:44] Take a wild stab in the dark. [13:44] lol, it was the nigger wasn't it? [13:45] lol? [13:45] ok, can u unban me? :{ [13:45] i'll be a good boy =[ [13:45] !guidelines | Sharpie [13:45] Sharpie: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [13:45] Please go and read them. [13:46] PriceChild: yeah i know, read them, it was a random act of thoughtless malfeasance =[ [13:46] Sharpie, go read them again. [13:46] PriceChild: won't do it again =[ [13:46] !coc [13:46] The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ [13:46] Read that too. [13:46] wtf [13:46] is this #library? :| [13:47] !wtf [13:47] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [13:47] No, this is Ubuntu. [13:47] are you serious? [13:47] Linux for Human Beings. [13:47] wtf can be "what the fruit" [13:47] or "what the fudge" [13:47] And along with that tag line, we try and back it up, lowering barriers to entry and attempting to make it open to all. [13:48] But it wasn't. [13:48] it was what the fuck! [13:48] yes it was. [13:48] wait, what?! [13:48] you just passed the rules worse than i did >_> [13:49] ok, Price, i'm sorry, can i go back? :{ [13:49] no you can't [13:49] why not? [13:49] Because I don't think you've changed one bit. [13:49] people don't change. [13:50] sucks to be you then I guess. [13:50] come on >_< [13:50] No you come on. [13:50] i will if you unban me [13:50] I'm not bargaining here. [13:51] ok, what do I need to do to get unbanned? [13:51] I've already suggested you go and read those pages. That's a start, to realise what is acceptable in ubuntu channels. [13:52] i've read them [13:52] For some reason I really don't believe you. [13:52] quiz me. [13:53] Those pages are quite long... go and read them instead of looking at them. [13:53] but i already read them [13:54] Then please come back in 72 hours. [13:54] comon you gotta be kidding >_< [13:54] 72 hours is like...more than 71.5 hours [13:58] PriceChild: "After staying in #ubuntu for a while, ops tend to get a bit trigger-happy. Don't forget that accidents happen and forget that accidents happen. Please don't put too severe punishments on accidental mishaps." [13:58] seems like the case [13:58] Ahh you decided to go read it :) [13:58] i read it [13:59] then i went to the mod guidelines >_> [13:59] sneaky [13:59] i've already finished reading when you sent me when i told you i did [14:00] -anyway-, /unban is a rly 1337 function =[ [14:01] depends what you alias it to [14:02] * jussi01 hi fives Hobbsee! [14:02] Hobbsee, would you consider the word "nigger" to be offensive when said without a target? [14:02] hey jussi01! [14:02] Sharpie: i'm fairly certain if you said that in some locations in my country, it would get you beaten up, so, yes. [14:02] hiya Hobbsee :D Nice to see you again :) [14:03] nono, but it wasn't said to anyone [14:03] it was just like....thrown in the air [14:03] it's still offensive [14:03] then it tneds to refer to everyone, no? [14:03] no it doesn't [14:03] if you can't see the problem wi [14:04] th saying it, then don't expect to be unbanned [14:04] ok, but speaking generally here, if i were a black guy, saying nigger would be completely appropriate. right? [14:04] No [14:04] have you ever listened to a rap song? [14:04] God I hate rap [14:04] The #ubuntu channels are not a rap song [14:04] me too [14:04] and no it doesn't make it any different depending on your ethnicity [14:05] i listen to death metal [14:05] but regardless...=\ [14:07] ok, then i was disciminated for having Tourette's syndrome [14:07] the thing about tourettes is it doesn't involve involuntarily typing out things [14:08] i have textual tourette's syndrome. [14:08] and i have to live with the shame every day, and still get banned from irc channels [14:08] oh the suffering [14:08] come back with a doctors not [14:08] *note [14:08] tempt not a desperate man! [14:08] I thought this was -offtopic for a second... [14:09] Sharpie, 72 hours, I'll then unban you if your attitude has changed and you agree to abide by the channel guidelines. [14:09] but i already have [14:10] comon, lindsey lohan was in jail for far less for uh..was it drugs or alcohol, i can't recall [14:21] PriceChild: Thanks for taking on these issues, I'm really distracted by work today. [14:22] Also, are we forwarding to here for quit messages now? [14:23] erm.... up to you [14:24] Okay. :) [14:28] Anything else we can help you with Sharpie? [14:29] stop acting like a cock (and when i say cock, i mean a male chicken, not a male genital) [14:30] pointing to arrogance o= [14:30] I hope I didn't offend him by removing him... :/ [14:30] ? [14:30] he called you a cock [14:31] * Pici wonders when that became an insult like that. [14:32] hmm? [15:12] PriceChild: stop acting like a male chicken man..... [15:15] I'm sorry. [15:16] jdong: what are your thoughts on backporting poppler? [15:19] Hehe popplers as in the crunchy food from futurama? [15:19] Hobbsee: is it ABI/API compatible? [15:19] PriceChild: no I think it's some sort of male chicken too.... [15:21] jdong: with what's currently in the archive? [15:21] Hobbsee: right [15:22] uh, no [15:24] it's needed for kde4 [15:43] Hobbsee: would the backport not break evince and whatever else uses it in Gutsy without a recompile? [15:43] jdong: eparse. double negative. [15:43] jdong: i think youd' have to rebuild it all [15:44] Hobbsee: that's what I thought.... it is a messy and also slightly risky backport [15:44] Hobbsee: in that poppler's had a history of needing security patches [15:44] and I'm not sure how easy dealing with those would be in the future should something bad happen [15:44] speak to stdin [15:51] In ubotu, soren said: foo is bar [15:55] jdong: evince works fine with the new poppler (had to install it to test) === os2mac is now known as jimmacdonald [18:38] * jussio1 is trying to get used to irssi... [18:40] jussio1: it's well worth it IMO :) [18:40] I have trouble using gui clients now [18:40] I like my slash commands [18:40] and alt-#keys [18:41] yeah, im liking that. [18:41] how does it work wit double figures though? [18:41] it's also not bound to a GUI [18:41] jussio1: qwerty should be somewhat bound [18:41] jussio1: and /win commands are your friends too [18:41] jdong: alt-q through alt-p (on qwerty) [18:41] jdong: Mine goes to "q, w, e..." after 0 [18:42] I dont usually have more than 15 windows open [18:42] :D ahh, i see... [18:42] hmmm, and there is no nicklist? [18:42] alt+a is also helpful :) [18:42] jussio1: /names? [18:43] * jussio1 was a konversation user.. [18:43] you can also do stuff like /names -ops [18:43] ctrl+n/p go next/previous too [18:43] and alt-left alt-right, but that is bugged in gnome-terminal [18:43] works fine in putty on windows though [18:44] jdong: /names could e interesting in #ubuntu ... [18:44] jussio1: it's not terribly bad [18:44] * jussio1 is on konsole [18:44] a bit nasty to your scrollback, but not as bad as /who ;-) [18:44] /names -ops [18:45] who let the ops out? [18:45] ;-) [18:45] i only use /names -count [18:45] I have the count on my irssi status bar [18:45] nalioth: is there a way to swap alt and ctrl keys in irssi? [18:46] jdong: you can keymap anything you like [18:46] http://nullcortex.com/upload/desktop/091807.png (although I fixed the missing symbols) [18:46] hmmm... so what benefit is screen to me? there is an option in konsole's menu for a new screen session... Im using that now. but why? [18:47] nalioth: I'm interested in remapping all the alt-N to ctrl-N, wouldnt' keymapping be very tedious? [18:47] jussio1: screen allows you to reattach to your irssi over any terminal, any ssh session, etc [18:47] jussio1: with screen, you can log out (or suffer xorg failure) and still have a functioning irssi client (or whatever console app is running in screen) [18:47] and that, too (logging into your irssi from across town is cool) [18:47] aha [18:47] jdong: probably not check out /bind [18:48] 75% of the time I'm sshed through screen into irssi [18:52] hmmm, is there a way to get it to display chnnel names as well as the numbers? [18:53] yeah there's a script [18:55] http://f0rked.com/articles/irssi [18:55] see the bit about awl [18:58] !IRC [18:58] A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines [18:58] beautiful! [18:58] !Guideline [18:58]