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kgoetz | if i blow away 70-persistent-net.rules will it be recreatd next boot? | 03:35 |
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pteague | anybody have any hardware suggestions for an ubuntu desktop? | 03:38 |
kgoetz | what sort of suggestions | 03:38 |
ScottK | pteague: Intel video for FOSS video support unless you're a gamer. | 03:40 |
kgoetz | ScottK: if your after *F*oss you'll need intel anyway :) | 03:40 |
pteague | intel video? i was thinking nvidia for xvmc | 03:40 |
pteague | i'm starting a new job on monday & they're wondering what i want as a workstation... i'm pretty much handling all their web stuff - db, webserver, site, etc | 03:42 |
kgoetz | so you *dont* want broadcom network devices :) | 03:42 |
kgoetz | you can either go with nvidia and known support, or gamble on AMD getting ATI open sooner rather then later for video | 03:43 |
pteague | was thinking amd cpu & nvidia video | 03:43 |
kgoetz | amd is ok. not been exactly cutting edge recently (on desktops), but solid still | 03:44 |
kgoetz | and less buggy then intels *grin* | 03:44 |
pteague | libc6 works on amd... certain features are borken on intel | 03:45 |
kgoetz | thats something worth remember for me i think | 03:49 |
pteague | i use chbg on occasion & discovered it wouldn't work on my laptop (intel)... went back & reinstalled the first 6 disc i had & it worked so i locked the libc6 library... i updated my desktop (amd) & chbg worked... so i thought great! it's fixed.. unlocked on laptop, downloaded updates, & it's broken! hehe | 03:52 |
kgoetz | i dont have tha ttool, what is it? | 03:54 |
pteague | screensaver, desktop changer... can use it as a slideshow as well | 03:55 |
kgoetz | aaah. | 03:55 |
pteague | i realize there's a couple different xscreensaver things that do something similar, but it has a lot of options & the really nice thing about it is i can get it to just display all the images dead center | 03:57 |
orochi2 | i had a question about apache now that i have my ubuntu server setup (i didnt use the livecd, but the server cd) i was wondering if someone was available for a few questions | 05:43 |
kgoetz | !tell orochi2 about ask | 05:46 |
orochi2 | lol ok good, someone's alive out there. I used to run a gentoo box as a LAMP, I like Ubuntu so far, but i want to do it right. What would be the best way of setting up my website. I find it a pain to deal with the files in /var/www as they are all root:root, what would be the best way to manage those files? Create a virtual host for my .com for the user i use, leave it as root and live with it what would be the best way to go abou | 05:48 |
kgoetz | depends. for personal space simply create public_html and put your files in thre | 05:50 |
kgoetz | otherwise, look into vhosts (asking about this stuff in #apache would be a good idea too) | 05:50 |
orochi2 | ok | 05:51 |
orochi2 | should I leave my vhost as root:root or what would be the owner:group i should have the files be in? | 05:52 |
kgoetz | ideally yes, tehy would stay as root, but if you will edit the fils a lot, it might make sense to go with youruser:www-data | 05:53 |
orochi2 | ok ill look into that | 05:53 |
asisak | What should I prefer nowadays if I want to run multiple (web) environments on a (Ubuntu) Linux box? | 08:06 |
asisak | E.g., some plone portal(s), some wiki(s) and some other services (like DNS or e-mail) | 08:06 |
asisak | Xen might be an overkill, but I am not sure if VServer or something similar is a good idea... | 08:06 |
macd | Seperating those services with a VM is a very good idea | 08:07 |
macd | Xen is pretty painless to setup on Gutsy now, plus you can just bootstrap a base ubuntu system, then install those services you need only | 08:08 |
asisak | You mean install the separate services in separate VMs? | 08:08 |
macd | Sure, why not | 08:14 |
macd | its a very good way to minimize risk from a securty standpoint also | 08:14 |
asisak | Sure, but you have to upgrade each machine, and you run many kernels | 08:17 |
_oet | Hallo | 12:57 |
pvandewyngaerde | _oet: english here | 12:58 |
_oet | Woops, english channel offcourse :P | 12:58 |
_oet | my bad ;) | 12:58 |
kraut | moin | 13:21 |
sommer | kraut: hey | 13:23 |
kraut | hi sommer | 13:23 |
kraut | interesting surname :) | 13:23 |
sommer | kraut: thx | 13:23 |
sommer | had it all my life... heh | 13:24 |
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_oet | I was wondering, whether the support for the current 7.10 server version is completely stopped in 2009 or that security updates will continue to be provided.. | 13:35 |
firecrotch | _oet: I'm pretty sure that means that there won't be any security updates after that | 13:40 |
_oet | ok, thanks for the info :) | 13:40 |
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firecrotch | _oet: 8.04 will be an LTS release though, if I'm not mistaken | 13:41 |
_oet | ok | 13:42 |
_oet | i'll keep that in mind | 13:42 |
MenZa | It will, firecrotch | 13:43 |
firecrotch | thanks, MenZa | 13:43 |
firecrotch | _oet: are you planning on using Ubuntu for a webserver or something of that nature? | 13:44 |
CyberMad | i want to install gnome.. then i did apt-get install gnome.. | 14:04 |
CyberMad | now, how to start my gnome? | 14:05 |
firecrotch | CyberMad: startx | 14:05 |
pvandewyngaerde | dont you need ubuntu-desktop ? | 14:05 |
sommer | CyberMad: you might check out this forum thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-186298.html | 14:06 |
pvandewyngaerde | or /etc/init.d/gdm start | 14:06 |
sommer | it lists all the packages you'll need | 14:06 |
CyberMad | ok thanks a lot | 14:06 |
CyberMad | so, what is the different between ubuntu-server dan ubuntu-desktop? only on the package? | 14:07 |
CyberMad | like ubuntu-desktop doesn't have samba package on cd, etc | 14:07 |
CyberMad | is that correct? | 14:07 |
pvandewyngaerde | its the packages for a GUI desktop , a server doesnt need one by default | 14:10 |
sommer | CyberMad: yep different packages on the CD, different kernel, different installer | 14:10 |
CyberMad | is this what you mean: | 14:10 |
CyberMad | sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop | 14:10 |
CyberMad | sudo apt-get install gdm | 14:10 |
CyberMad | sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start | 14:10 |
CyberMad | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg | 14:10 |
CyberMad | well, i just want to run vmware-server on ubuntu-server | 14:11 |
CyberMad | actually i don't have any idea about that | 14:11 |
CyberMad | i want running windows xp on vmware-server | 14:12 |
CyberMad | so everyone can remote that XP | 14:12 |
CyberMad | because we don't XP on every computers | 14:12 |
CyberMad | but sometime we still need XP | 14:12 |
sommer | CyberMad: you should be able to do that on Ubuntu Server | 14:14 |
CyberMad | sommer without the GUI ? | 14:22 |
CyberMad | sommer have you try the vmware-server ? | 14:22 |
sommer | CyberMad: nope I haven't tried vmware myself in quite a while... I think it can though? | 14:23 |
sommer | others in this channel I know have | 14:23 |
CyberMad | :) | 14:24 |
CyberMad | well ok, i will test it this week | 14:24 |
CyberMad | thnks | 14:24 |
sommer | CyberMad: here's a wiki page on vmware: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Server | 14:24 |
sommer | you could try that out and update the page if there's anything missing :) | 14:24 |
CyberMad | that's very cool... will help me much.. thanks | 14:24 |
sommer | np | 14:24 |
_ruben | just curious .. are there any plans whatsoever to support PF_RING on ubuntu (server)? just found catapulta.org, which does incorporate PF_RING, but is still at beta state | 14:34 |
firecrotch | _ruben: you ought to be able to enable it in Ubuntu | 14:37 |
firecrotch | _ruben: I found a tutorial that works on Debian which would be a good starting point, at least | 14:37 |
firecrotch | http://bjou.homeunix.net/blog/2006/12/advanced-packet-capturing-howto-pf_ring-napi-and-extended-libpcap-on-debian-sarge/ | 14:37 |
_ruben | firecrotch: i know that url .. its a bit outdated since it mentions a cvs repo intead of svn .. and i expect PF_RING to integrate into ubuntu/debian kernels 'nicer' than our current SuSE kernels (old kernels with tons of security backports) | 14:39 |
_ruben | bit curious though if there were any plans on actually offering support on it and providing the appropriate kernels/libpcap libs for it | 14:40 |
firecrotch | Ah, well, I'm definitely not the person to find out about that from | 14:41 |
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nealmcb | server team meeting in 4 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting: | 15:56 |
nealmcb | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting | 15:56 |
sommer | nealmcb: I think they will... can always update it later :) | 15:59 |
sommer | the cert statement that is | 16:00 |
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nxvl_work | isn't today the meeting? | 16:05 |
sommer | nxvl_work: yep #ubuntu-meeting | 16:06 |
soren | !mda | 16:25 |
ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about mda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 16:25 |
Gargoyle | Can anyone help me reconnect my split-brained drbd? | 16:41 |
Gargoyle | I have them both set to secondary/unknown, but can't get them to connect. Not bothered which is primary, only testing at the mo. | 16:42 |
ScottK | nealmcb: It's probably worth mentionind that although Postfix is primarily an MTA, it can serve as an MSA and and MDA too. | 17:00 |
nealmcb | ahh - got it | 17:00 |
soren | MSA? | 17:02 |
ScottK | Mail Submission Agent. | 17:02 |
soren | Which does what? | 17:02 |
* lamont tries to decide if he cares what the 'S' and 'D' stand for | 17:02 | |
ScottK | MUA -> MSA -> MTA -> MTA -> MDA -> MUA. | 17:02 |
nealmcb | so postfix with a smarthost is an msa? | 17:03 |
nealmcb | any other msas? | 17:03 |
ScottK | I'd say yes, but there are probably protocol police that would disagree. | 17:03 |
nealmcb | (anything with a smarthost....) | 17:03 |
lamont | MSA means that it listens on the 'submission' port, for MUAs to talk to. | 17:03 |
nealmcb | ahh | 17:04 |
lamont | MTA means it listens on the 'smtp' port | 17:04 |
* ScottK likes lamont's definitions | 17:04 | |
lamont | MDA means that it delivers to local/virtual/whatever mailboxes, from whence MUAs grab it | 17:04 |
lamont | MUA means a user interacts with it directly | 17:04 |
lamont | MUI == mail using idiot | 17:05 |
lamont | aka, user | 17:05 |
soren | So Postfix is an MSA because an MUA can poke stuff into its queue by way of /usr/sbin/sendmail ? | 17:05 |
lamont | MUI -> MUA -> MSA -> MTA -> MTA -> MDA -> MUA -> MUI. :-) | 17:05 |
keescook | so are pop/imap servers actually MDAs then? | 17:05 |
soren | No. | 17:05 |
soren | Did my mail not reach the mailing list yet? | 17:05 |
lamont | keescook: they don't deliver to mailboxes. they provide access to them | 17:05 |
lamont | soren: MSA is, IMO, kinda stupid. | 17:06 |
lamont | the concept, that is. | 17:06 |
soren | lamont: Agreed. | 17:06 |
keescook | soren: no it did, and I thought the same you did -- I was just trying to figure out what to call the pop/imap piece | 17:06 |
lamont | an MSA is an MTA that listens on the 'submission' port. | 17:06 |
soren | lamont: It's something that only marginally makes sense on a design diagram of postfix and *nowhere* else. :) | 17:06 |
keescook | MSA makes sense for ISPs that want to block MTA traffic. :P | 17:06 |
nealmcb | I think the goal of the submission port is to help fight spam by separating submission from transfer at the port leel | 17:06 |
lamont | which it, therefore, assumes is an MUA talking to it, not some random MTA, or spamware. | 17:06 |
keescook | nealmcb: yup | 17:06 |
keescook | so pop/imap is an Mailbox Access Agent? (between the MDA and the MUA?) | 17:07 |
* keescook loves making stuff up | 17:07 | |
lamont | nealmcb: which does next to nothing for you when the spamware connects to the MSA | 17:07 |
* lamont ^5s keeskook. | 17:07 | |
lamont | what are we gonna make the rest of the letters?? | 17:08 |
nealmcb | msa? mui? :-) | 17:08 |
soren | ffs... | 17:08 |
soren | :p | 17:08 |
lamont | nealmcb: I assume that MSA was someone elses. MUI is all mine. | 17:08 |
lamont | soren: ffs is a very nice kernel routine, returning the first set bit in a word | 17:08 |
keescook | msa is real (as ScottK says: Mail Submissions Agent) | 17:08 |
lamont | MAA... mail authentication agent? | 17:09 |
keescook | (without the trailing s) | 17:09 |
* nealmcb nods | 17:09 | |
lamont | MBA: masters of business administration. | 17:09 |
soren | lamont: ffs == first f???? set? | 17:09 |
nealmcb | mba mail bs agent? aka spammer? | 17:09 |
lamont | find first set | 17:09 |
soren | lamont: of course. | 17:09 |
ScottK | IIRC there's an Internet Draft somewhere that defines all these. | 17:09 |
* lamont was thinking mail breaking agent | 17:09 | |
nealmcb | same thing | 17:09 |
ScottK | Ah, that would be Exchange. | 17:09 |
keescook | ah-ha, Mail Retrieval Agent | 17:10 |
dthacker | sorry, missed the meeting. when will transcripts be up? | 17:10 |
keescook | http://wiki.mutt.org/?MailConcept | 17:10 |
lamont | ScottK: stop introducing facts into the discussion (internet draft) | 17:10 |
nealmcb | time we all moved to jabber and rss and left this mail morass to die a slow death :-) | 17:10 |
lamont | MYA: mame your a** | 17:10 |
lamont | hrm... IP-over-bullhorn. | 17:11 |
ScottK | Speaking of such, rfc2821bis is in IETF last call now. | 17:11 |
nealmcb | keescook: nice one | 17:13 |
lamont | ScottK: prior to being voted on, yes? | 17:14 |
ScottK | lamont: Yes. | 17:14 |
ScottK | So this would be the time to look at it and kvetch. | 17:14 |
ScottK | http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-klensin-rfc2821bis-06.txt | 17:14 |
nealmcb | ScottK: thanks | 17:14 |
ScottK | nealmcb: No trouble. | 17:15 |
lamont | keescook: I think they're onto us. | 17:16 |
keescook | lamont: dangit | 17:17 |
nijaba | Table create at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerPackageReview | 17:43 |
nijaba | Volunteers should now run to put their names along the best packages ;) | 17:44 |
ivoks | hi | 18:13 |
ivoks | ScottK: you'll work on amavis? | 18:13 |
ivoks | lamont, ScottK ping? | 18:23 |
ScottK | ivoks: Yes. | 18:24 |
ScottK | ivoks: I think the package itself is in good shape. I'd be curious if you have comments. | 18:25 |
ivoks | defaults are ok | 18:26 |
ivoks | from my experience, i had problems only with systems with misconfigured /etc/hosts | 18:26 |
ivoks | and that's quite often :/ | 18:26 |
ivoks | other than that, package is in great shape | 18:27 |
ivoks | maybe we could work on some rules for ubuntu | 18:27 |
ivoks | i have a dream when amavis will become part of default mail server installation :) | 18:27 |
ScottK | Right, well that'd be a big part of the point for moving it to main. | 18:28 |
ScottK | I did make a change to make it easier to fix the config if you've got a /etc/hosts problem and don't know Perl syntax. | 18:28 |
ivoks | great | 18:29 |
ivoks | i'll work on drbd | 18:30 |
ivoks | nad maybe we could push postgrey to main too? | 18:30 |
ivoks | it had only one CVE entry, IIRC, in couple of years... | 18:31 |
ScottK | ivoks: I'm not convinced on postgrey. I think Greylisting is useful now, but the benifit is only transient. More and more spammers are retrying now, so it's value is dimishing. I don't see supporting it for 5 years. | 18:31 |
ivoks | they are retrying, with same ip | 18:31 |
ivoks | that's when other antispam tools kick in | 18:32 |
ivoks | i use it and it does more than all other anti spam tools at the moment | 18:32 |
ivoks | there are installations where i use it for 2 years | 18:32 |
ivoks | 0 problems | 18:32 |
ivoks | but i understand your point | 18:33 |
ivoks | anti-spam protection is very dynamic area... | 18:33 |
sommer | ivoks: speaking of anti-spam I've added a section on Mail Filtering to the server guide... I was wondering if I could send it to you for review? | 18:35 |
ScottK | I think adding amavisd-new is a sensible, stable core to allow people to hang whatever they want off of it. | 18:35 |
ScottK | ivoks: Do you read postfix-users? | 18:35 |
sommer | ScottK: not that I don't value your input, but the more reviews the merrier | 18:36 |
ScottK | sommer: Of course. | 18:36 |
ivoks | sommer: sure | 18:36 |
ivoks | ScottK: no... :) | 18:36 |
sommer | ivoks: cool, there's also an update to the Postfix SASL section using Dovecot. | 18:37 |
ScottK | ivoks: OK. There was a funny bit today about an Ubuntu user writing in with a Postfix problem that turned out to be webmin adding 'sudo' to their smtpd_recipient_restrictions. | 18:37 |
ivoks | :) | 18:37 |
ivoks | i'll check archives :) | 18:38 |
ivoks | webmin is evil. | 18:38 |
sommer | ivoks: I'll get that to you this evening, thanks again. | 18:38 |
ivoks | sommer: great | 18:38 |
ivoks | i have to get rid of desktop related packages i maintain :) | 18:40 |
ivoks | they hunt me while i'm a sleep :) | 18:40 |
ScottK | ivoks: Don't sleep then. Sleep is for the weak. | 18:40 |
ivoks | you can't imagine how little sleep i had last two weeks | 18:41 |
ivoks | i'm working on a quite big project... it will go public in 20 days | 18:42 |
ScottK | Sounds fun. I've done things like that. | 18:42 |
ivoks | fun... hm, i don't think there's a good word for that :) | 18:44 |
ivoks | see you later | 18:46 |
nealmcb | sommer: can you send me the mail filtering section also? | 18:51 |
sommer | nealmcb: absoluteley | 19:02 |
nealmcb | sommer - a section in the server guide on how server differs from desktop (kernel, no x11, etc) would be handy I bet. those articles from http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3710641 have more detail than we want, but touching on a few of them would make savvy users feel more comfortable | 19:30 |
sommer | nealmcb: good idea... I'll add that to the list, and try to get it in before hardy. | 19:33 |
nealmcb | dthacker: you can find raw recent meeting logs at http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/ | 19:36 |
nealmcb | e.g. http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-meeting.20071127_1603.html for today | 19:36 |
nealmcb | but those get moved I think later on | 19:36 |
nealmcb | sommer: you rock :-) | 19:37 |
sommer | heh party! | 19:37 |
macd | mathiaz, around? | 20:33 |
mathiaz | macd: yes. | 20:34 |
macd | I saw the meeting minutes, do you have a link on the wiki to using tasksel? | 20:35 |
macd | ohh, and I added a few tihngs to it the other day detailing the exact configuration changes | 20:35 |
mralphabet | nijaba: are you around? | 20:47 |
mralphabet | nijaba: I am looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOS and made some minor corrections (spelling). | 20:48 |
mralphabet | nijaba: there is one spot that I can't seem to fix. Under 'Installing VMware Tools', 'Next should ask VMware to mount the VMwareTools CD', VMwareTools shows as a link, but only 'MwareTools' is actually linked. When I edit the page to correct it, there is no link in the wiki code. | 20:50 |
mralphabet | nijaba: so not sure where it is getting the link from, but I thought I would mention it. | 20:50 |
nijaba | mralphabet: Thanks for your corrections. Regarding the Link, I came to the conclusion of a bug in InterWiki... | 21:42 |
mathiaz | macd: the documentation I've found about tasksel is its README file | 21:44 |
mathiaz | macd: in /usr/share/doc/tasksel/ | 21:44 |
soren | mralphabet: It's a link because it has at least two capital letters in it separated by lower case letters. It doesn't matter if a page exists with that name. | 22:00 |
nijaba | mralphabet: regarding your edit of sudo apt-get install lamp-server^, the ^ is not a mistake, it is actually required :) | 22:00 |
mralphabet | nijaba: oh, heh, sorry about that ;( | 22:01 |
nijaba | mralphabet: np. soren just fixed the link btw: VMware{{{}}}Tools | 22:01 |
mralphabet | nijaba: I'll put the ^ back in | 22:02 |
nijaba | mralphabet: thanks | 22:03 |
macd | mathiaz, thanks. | 22:22 |
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