[00:12] <MagicFab> ogra, do you happen to have a digital pen with the classmate PC ?
[00:58] <codenamekt> hey guys
[01:30] <yotux> can I have 2 ltsp version side by side?
[01:30] <yotux> i386 and amd64
[01:30] <kgoetz> yep.
[01:31] <yotux> do you know what the flag is to install the i386
[01:32] <yotux> found it
[01:32] <yotux> --arch i386
[01:32] <yotux> currrently have amd64 installed
[02:59] <yotux> I  just installed gusty amd64 classroom ltsp boot is broken
[03:00] <yotux> tftp not found
[03:00] <yotux> anyone else have this issue?
[03:12] <Burgundavia> yotux: you have run through the gettingstarted guide?
[04:15] <yotux> Burgundavia:  yes I have been threw that guide
[05:59] <scrapbunny> is there anyone still on tonight that could help a newbie?
[06:00] <Burgundavia> scrapbunny: what is your issue?
[06:03] <kgoetz> win 27
[06:03] <scrapbunny> i have been working on setting up an elementary school computer lab and am running into speed issues
[06:06] <scrapbunny> i have 15 dell gx110's running as thin clients and the speed was pretty good at first but now apps like firefox and tux paint are almost unusable they are so slow
[06:10] <scrapbunny> any ideas?
[06:12] <stgraber> ogra: I have the new italc release packaged and correctly building on i386/amd64, I'll now think of how I can integrate my two launcher scripts (as they are ltsp specific, it'll probably be something like : ltsp-ica and ltsp-italc), add them to the package and then it'll be ready for upload
[08:45] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: ping?
[08:53] <RichEd> hi Hobbsee ... sbalneav is prolly asleep ...
[08:58] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: it is 4am for him
[08:58] <Hobbsee> ah
[08:58] <Burgundavia> freezing in the snow of Manitoba
[08:58] <Burgundavia> sorry, 3
[08:58] <Burgundavia> for that matter, it is 1 here and I should go to bed
[08:59] <Hobbsee> friendly warning from the ubuntu release team:  someone needs to merge nbd-server, if you guys want to have edubuntu cds for the alpha
[09:06] <Hobbsee> er, nevermind.  it's an outstanding sync.
[10:07] <ogra> Hobbsee, heh, morning :)
[10:10] <RichEd> hi ogra
[10:10] <ogra> hey RichEd
[10:10] <RichEd> what was that edubuntu video link from yesterday ? i loaded the first one to view later and my machine hung
[10:18] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuVideoIntroduction
[10:27] <Hobbsee> hiya ogra!
[10:53] <stgraber> ogra: What is the best way of naming the launcher scripts for Italc/ICA ? ltsp-ica and ltsp-italc ?
[10:54] <stgraber> first one make sure ICA runs on a different port (based on the client IP), the oher generates the config file from the list of opened ssh connection
[10:55] <ogra> and they are both ltsp specific ?
[10:56] <stgraber> yes
[10:56] <ogra> then the name sounds sane
[10:56] <stgraber> ok, I'll check those two then add them to the package and it'll be ready for upload to universe
[10:57] <ogra> yay
[10:57] <ogra> did you talk to the DD of italc ?
[10:57] <stgraber> final 1.0.4 seems 100% identical to the one I had in SVN, all the patches applied without a warning
[10:58] <ogra> he would probably like to use your packaging work ;)
[10:59] <stgraber> it all depends on whether or not he wants our UI fixes and LTSP integration, packaging itself is just about adding a CC option so it builds on amd64 and add the libitalc thing
[10:59] <johnny> that sounds like the student control panel, but beefier
[10:59] <ogra> he'll surely want the ltsp bits
[11:00] <ogra> johnny, right
[11:00] <ogra> it can also control workstations and vnc actually works :)
[11:00] <johnny> aha.. i tried the vnc thing,thought i did something wrong
[11:01] <ogra> well, it works for me here using the wiki howto
[11:01] <ogra> but it eats a lot of bandwith and is very immature in TCM
[11:01] <johnny> luckily i'm happy enough with just the blank screen option
[11:01] <ogra> (i never actually made the effort to try it with more than 3 clients ... i suspect 10 would saturate your network right away)
[11:02] <stgraber> ogra: it does :)
[11:02] <ogra> heh
[11:02] <stgraber> I tried TCM with 7 on 100Mb/s and it was laggy :)
[11:02] <ogra> well, you can tweak the x11vnc commandline you run on the client for that
[11:02] <ogra> for example i'D automatically scale to 800x600 or 640x480 ...
[11:03] <ogra> that should lower the requirement a lot
[11:03] <ogra> also cutting down the colors would help etc
[11:03] <stgraber> btw, do you have any idea of when we'll have a more or less working local apps in LTSP ?
[11:03] <ogra> nope
[11:03] <stgraber> I would really like to have shutdown/reboot working :)
[11:03] <ogra> scott was very busy at work the last days
[11:03] <stgraber> yeah, I saw that :)
[11:03] <ogra> and im busy with the upstream repackaging
[11:04] <ogra> which is hard and sow now that i always have to wait for the others
[11:04] <ogra> i'm happy if i get something in that works as good as in gutsy ...
[11:04] <ogra> not sure the feature will make it in time upstream ...
[11:05] <ogra> hardy == LTS .... we have many constraints this time
[11:07] <johnny> fun..
[12:10] <ogra> RichEd, which meeting do we have today, early or late ?
[12:11] <RichEd> late i thought ... lemme check the last logs ...
[12:14] <RichEd> ogra: nov 21 was daytime ... although the fridge says otherwise ... that makes today's one tonight
[12:14] <RichEd> how do the meetings get to the fridge ... that needs sorting out now that the fridge events appear to be functional again
[12:15] <stgraber> you need to ping a fridge admin or e-mail them (I can't remember if they have a mailing-list) but there is (or was) no way to add that yourself
[12:16] <stgraber> and IIRC you can't set something has happening every 1-2 weeks, you have to enter all the dates :) Maybe that changed
[12:21] <RichEd> ta stgraber ... i will follow up
[12:41] <Mirv> Does someone happen to know who owns copyrights to (or if it's licensed to be freely usable) http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/edubuntu-kids-thanks.jpg? I'd like to use a small version of it at our new site http://www.vapaasuomi.fi/ about libre software and content.
[12:41] <Mirv> (it has an own section about educational usage)
[12:50] <RichEd> Mirv: i think i have the original submission email somewhere ... let me take a look for you
[12:51] <RichEd> I'd assume however that if you use the image #1 on behalf of ubuntu (for whom it was created and to who it was submitted) #2 for non-profit / exploitative reasons ... that would constitute fair use
[12:52] <Mirv> RichEd: yeah well Finland doesn't have similar fair use rights as US, and also the site I mentioned is about libre software/content in general and not only Ubuntu :( so some permission would be needed, but maybe I'll think of other education-themed photos or such.
[12:53] <Mirv> that image is just basically awesome :)
[13:00] <RichEd> Mirv: there is also a great malaysia/indonesia image as well ... adult education ... give me a few mins to check my mail
[13:06] <Mirv> ok :)
[13:13] <RichEd> Mirv: while I am hunting ... also check out:
[13:13] <RichEd> 1.  http://dtrask.wordpress.com/ david trask's blog
[13:13] <moquist> ogra: remember those crappy laptops that I was fighting with in May-June? Feisty: 103 seconds from DHCP-success->login prompt. Gutsy: 197s.
[13:14] <RichEd> 2. http://vassalborocommunityschool.blogspot.com/ david's school
[13:14] <moquist> I haven't started trying to figure out why yet.
[13:14] <ogra> woah
[13:14] <RichEd> Mirv: he will give you permission to use absolutely anything that promotes edubuntu
[13:17] <moquist> I didn't believe my boss when he told me gutsy took longer...but he was right. :(
[13:18] <Mirv> RichEd: thanks, I'll probably ask him since google image search doesn't provide me with proper CC or otherwise licensed photos.. though http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2007/04/22/ seems to be CC-BY
[13:18] <moquist> "Starting system log daemon" takes 44 seconds
[13:18] <johnny> flickr does
[13:18] <johnny> err yahoo does rather
[13:20] <moquist> 55s from "X" on the screen to the login prompt
[13:20] <moquist> ogra: would you be interested in us sending you one of these craptops?
[13:20] <moquist> or should it really go to sbalneav, or somewhere else?
[13:21] <ogra> i guess both would be fine
[13:21] <ogra> i suspect it to be somehow kernel related
[13:21] <moquist> heh; we have to pick one, and I'm not sure they'll let me send one off anyhow. :)
[13:21] <moquist> ogra: I'll try noacpi...any other top-of-your-head suggestions?
[13:21] <ogra> what kind of CPU is in there ? how much L2 cache ?
[13:21] <ogra> nolapic
[13:22] <ogra> is there any disk inside ?
[13:22]  * moquist is getting the stats (just set chroot password, rebuilding image...)
[13:23] <moquist> yes, there's a hdd inside, I'm sure. dunno how big.
[13:23] <moquist> (or anything else about it)
[13:23] <ogra> ok
[13:24] <ogra> i had the case on some HW that it started to probe the IDE port over and over ...
[13:32] <moquist> ogra: added noacpi and nolapic to the append line and got 202s from DHCP-success->login 8-(
[13:32] <ogra> heh
[13:32] <moquist> 128MB RAM (with shared video I believe)
[13:32] <johnny> is acpi disabled by default somewhere ?
[13:33] <moquist> celeron 647MHz, 128K cache
[13:34] <moquist> WTF.../proc/partitions says there's a 5.8G drive recognized as /dev/sda. Weird.
[13:34] <ogra> no, thats fine
[13:38] <moquist> it's definitely an IDE drive, though...this is normal?
[13:38] <moquist> I just removed it.
[13:39] <ogra> yes, thats normal
[13:40] <moquist> johnny: I don't believe so. That's why I had to turn it off explicitly just now for testing...
[13:41] <johnny> well i added acpid and tried to get the powerbtn script working, but it just dies
[13:41] <johnny> instead of shutting down
[13:42] <moquist> ogra: I should stop testing. I removed the HDD, and with noacpi and nolapic still in the kernel cmd line it took 214s from DHCP-success->login prompt.
[13:42] <ogra> woah
[13:45] <moquist> I don't remember how, but IIRC there's somehow I can turn on really detailed boot-time logging, so we can see exactly what's happening when, down to hundredths of a second. How do I turn that on?
[13:49] <ogra> install bootchart in the client chroot
[13:49] <ogra> but beware, its using java to generate the final image ... that can take ages on slow HW
[13:50] <ogra> the ebox 1000 from jim tok about 10 mins for that
[13:50] <ogra> *took
[13:51] <moquist> wheeee
[13:57] <moquist> poo. must I bind-mount /proc under the chroot to get bootchart to install?
[13:57] <ogra> oh, that might be
[13:57] <ogra> i didnt use it for ages
[13:57]  * moquist nods
[13:59] <moquist> this is updating initrd.img in the chroot; I suppose I need to copy the new initrd to my tftp server, too...
[14:07] <yotux> is there a how to on using local devices on thin clients
[14:07] <ogra> pulg them in ?
[14:07] <ogra> *plug
[14:08] <moquist> yotux: make sure your user is in the fuse group
[14:08] <ogra> they are enabled by default
[14:11] <yotux> I don't see my printer or my cdrom on my thin cleint
[14:11] <yotux> I am in the fuse group
[14:12] <yotux> using Gusty AMD 64 with ltsp i386 & AMD64
[14:13] <moquist> Hmm. I dunno about CDROMs, but the local printers mechanism doesn't have anything to do with FUSE AFAIK (which isn't too far). Do USB drives work?
[14:14] <moquist> If USB drives work and the CDROM doesn't, that's an indicator that the mechanism is different (or that CDROMs need extra mucking about, anyway).
[14:14] <moquist> I believe the printer needs at least one setting in lts.conf to work.
[14:16] <ogra> right
[14:16] <yotux> no my pen drive doesn't work
[14:16] <yotux> I think that I need to edit lts.conf
[14:16] <ogra> PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/lp0 (or /dev/usblp0)
[14:16] <ogra> not for local devices
[14:17] <ogra> there is something wrong, but changing lts.conf wont help you
[14:17] <yotux> does this require a mac address to identify the thin cleint?
[14:17] <ogra> !localdev
[14:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about localdev - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:17] <ogra> meh
[14:17] <ogra> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
[14:17] <ogra> look at that page ...
[14:18] <moquist> yotux: you should put PRINTER_0_DEVICE in your lts.conf, but the local devs problem isn't related to lts.conf.
[14:18]  * moquist clarifies
[14:18] <ogra> right, thanks
[14:18] <moquist> multi-threaded IRC doesn't always work out so well. ;)
[14:18] <yotux> I understood that
[14:18] <moquist> great. Just making sure, 'cuz I had to go back and re-parse to be sure I followed it. :)
[14:22] <yotux> thanks for the help I did some digging and I am not in fuse so I need to log out and then back in
[14:22] <moquist> yotux: Yes.
[14:24] <pmvalente> hello
[14:24] <pmvalente> some one could help me please
[14:25] <pmvalente> I want to put my thin clients language different from server language, is this possible?
[14:29] <moquist> ogra: do I have to do something special with the initrd to get bootchart to go? I have the initrd loading from a different TFTP server...perhaps I should copy the one from /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/ to my TFTP server...?
[14:29] <pmvalente> test
[14:29] <moquist> pmvalente: yes.
[14:30] <pmvalente> how, please
[14:30] <moquist> pmvalente: possibly depending on what you mean. you want the default language to be different?
[14:30] <ogra> moquist, yes, bootchart is executed from initramfs ...
[14:30] <moquist> nah, should still be possible.
[14:30] <pmvalente> my server in english
[14:30] <pmvalente> but this is for a public portuguese school
[14:30] <moquist> pmvalente: gdm default to english, ldm default to <other-language>
[14:30]  * moquist isn't sure how to change the LDM default
[14:30] <pmvalente> so portuguese in thin clients should be better :)
[14:30] <moquist> prolly an lts.conf setting
[14:31] <ogra> you cant yet ... i mean you can, but there are no translations
[14:31] <ogra> (for ldm)
[14:31] <ogra> so it will always show "Username:" "Password:"
[14:31] <moquist> right, but LDM could surely pass <portuguese> on to x-session, right?
[14:31]  * moquist assumed pmvalente was more concerned about the session than the LDM screen itself
[14:31] <ogra> sure, thats why we have the language selector in the ldm menu
[14:31] <pmvalente> of course
[14:32] <ogra> the session lang is independent from the login window translation
[14:32] <moquist> pmvalente: I figured you meant that you want the language selector in the LDM menu to default to Portuguese. Is this right?
[14:32] <pmvalente> yes, portuguese to the session it self
[14:32] <ogra> for all users ?
[14:32] <pmvalente> yes
[14:33] <ogra> so make sure you have te langpacks for pt_(BR/PT whatever you need) installed
[14:33] <ogra> then just change it in /etc/environment and reboot the server
[14:33] <pmvalente> because they are kids, and don't understand English very well
[14:33] <ogra> it should default to pt then
[14:34] <pmvalente> ok I will try
[14:34] <pmvalente> thanks very much
[14:34] <ogra> or even better use the language selector in the system menu
[14:34] <ogra> it should set all that automatically
[14:34] <ogra> system->settings->language
[14:34] <ogra> or so
[14:34] <ogra> (non english desktop here)
[14:36] <stgraber> System->Administration->Language Support
[14:36] <ogra> ah
[14:40] <pmvalente> restart system now, and I will see. bye
[14:51] <yotux> is there a way that I can find out my thin cleints mac ID
[15:09] <yotux> how do I add my printer to the client so that I can use it?
[15:09] <ogra> PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/lp0 (or /dev/usblp0) in lts.conf
[15:09] <yotux> I have made the entry in lts.conf
[15:09] <ogra> depending what kind of printer that is
[15:09] <yotux> now how do I get it to work with cups on the server
[15:09] <ogra> ah
[15:09] <yotux> usb
[15:09] <ogra> you open the printer tool and add a jetdirect printer with the ip of the client (seen on the login screen)
[15:10] <ogra> use the default port for it (9100)
[15:11] <yotux> Thankz  it works :)
[15:12] <yotux> now to fix the udev for my pen drive
[15:13] <ogra> is it partitioned ?
[15:14] <ogra> some windows tools just format the drive directly ...
[15:14] <ogra> ltspfs doesnt understand such devices
[15:14] <yotux> I not sure if it is i think that it is fat32
[15:15] <ogra> thats the filesystem ... i'm talking about the partition table
[15:15] <yotux> I plug it into the server
[15:15] <ogra> right and check dmesg
[15:15] <yotux> how can I write a partion table to this drive is there a howto
[15:15] <ogra> if it comes up like /dev/sdX and not as /dev/sdX1 or so, its unpatitioned
[15:16] <ogra> use gparted (you need to install that )
[15:17] <yotux> it comes up as disk its not partioned
[15:17] <yotux> no number disk1
[15:22] <yotux> ok I was mistaken fat16 /dev/sdb1
[15:22] <ogra> sounds ok
[15:24] <yotux> something that I will have to play with later
[15:24] <yotux> dmesg see it but I can't seem to find the udev rules for it
[15:24] <yotux> do you know where the udev rules would be located for gusty?
[15:28] <ogra> in the client in /etc/udev somewhere
[15:29] <yotux> ok I have tried something need to restart cleint
[15:29] <yotux> is there a way to give the client the same ip everytime?
[15:30] <stgraber> statically assigning the IP in the DHCP configuration
[15:31] <yotux> ok that would be using the mac Id to set the static IP correct
[15:31] <yotux> threw dhcp config
[15:31] <ogra> usually it will reuse the same ip all the time
[15:32] <yotux> thankz guys and gals
[15:38] <moquist> ogra: bootchart has made a pretty picture that doesn't seem to have much info
[15:38] <moquist> heh; nm
[15:38] <moquist> was looking at an old png
[15:40] <moquist> ogra: http://www.majen.net/pics/gutsy-20061112-1.png
[15:47] <ogra> well, its definately the CPU
[15:47] <ogra> see the graph at the top
[15:47] <ogra> its running at 100% all the time
[15:47] <moquist> The boot itself is taking 85s (according to bootchart), and the other 115-130s are when X/LDM is firing up.
[15:47] <moquist> ogra: yes...is 100% CPU during boot unusual?
[15:48]  * moquist hasn't done this enough times to know
[15:48] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/feisty-20070405-1.png
[15:48] <ogra> one to compare
[15:49] <moquist> thx
[15:49] <ogra> thats a 43secs boot (+X)
[15:51] <moquist> the critical path seems quite a bit more apparent in your bootchart.
[15:51] <methods> in gutsy can i use security as well as gutsy-security ?
[15:51] <LaserJock> methods: what do you mean?
[15:52] <methods> in my sources there appears to be gutsy-security but the package i need i believe is only in security
[15:52] <LaserJock> security is just a general term
[15:53] <LaserJock> gutsy-security is the security repo for Gutsy (7.10)
[16:10] <moquist> ogra: I've asked if I can send one of these laptops to you.
[16:26]  * RichEd off to dinner and then back for the edubuntu meeting
[16:34] <mhz> hi guys!
[16:35] <mhz> according to what RichEd said, today there's a meeting but I do not see that info on #ubuntu-meeting
[16:35] <mhz> will it take place somewhere else?
[16:36] <mhz> plus, on https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Community/MeetingAgenda
[16:36] <mhz> I see no info regarding a meeting
[16:39] <LaserJock> mhz: it should be at 20:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting
[16:39] <stgraber> mhz: it'll be in #ubuntu-meeting, but it's not on the fridge
[16:40] <mhz> oh, i see. Got it. Thanks guys!
[16:41] <mhz> LaserJock: who from Edubuntu people is forum addict?
[16:41]  * mhz is not
[16:41] <LaserJock> umm, I don't know
[16:41] <LaserJock> I might be the closest
[16:42] <mhz> ok, in Chile, forum people have implemented a "collaborative support" idea which is: "we help you us"
[16:42] <mhz> "we help you help us"
[16:43] <mhz> LaserJock: basically, if a users requests for support we provide it but only after he's welcome and asked about providing us with information we help him collect
[16:44] <mhz> (logs, hw info, etc.)
[16:44] <LaserJock> k
[16:44] <mhz> PLUS, he is to take notes of the steps he's following towards a solution
[16:45] <mhz> so, in the end, once we provide a solution for his problem, he provides a document/howto for his issue
[16:45] <mhz> Basically, we usually encourage users to provide more support to others
[16:46] <LaserJock> right
[16:46] <mhz> and so, we try to make support instances more "sutainalbe"
[16:46] <mhz> because more and more users are coming, we end up getting very short of hands
[16:47] <mhz> so, "we help you help us" kind of forces users to give hands  too
[16:47] <mhz> :D
[16:47] <mhz> else, support gets more reduced to only read, read, read and google, hehehe.
[19:33] <RichEd> [19:33] <RichEd> [19:37] <LaserJock> oh geeze
[19:38] <RichEd> hi LaserJock
[19:38] <LaserJock> hi RichEd
[19:38] <LaserJock> get my email about Fridge?
[19:39] <RichEd> let me check ... just back in from dinner
[19:41] <RichEd> LaserJock: yep ... thanks
[19:41] <LaserJock> RichEd: it's really stupid what we have now
[19:42] <LaserJock> RichEd: I have to create each individual meeting
[19:42] <LaserJock> putting in the times
[19:42] <RichEd> how ? as a database entry ? web form ?
[19:42] <LaserJock> web form
[19:42] <LaserJock> drop-down form in fact
[19:43] <LaserJock> which is really annoying because you have to set the beginning and the end
[19:43] <LaserJock> RichEd: if you could send me a list of dates and times it'd help
[19:44] <LaserJock> last time I got a bit confused on where we were in the rotation and didn't want to mess things up
[19:44] <RichEd> yep ... i saw last week's one was in the wrong slot
[19:45] <juliux> hi all
[19:45] <RichEd> ^ well how does that form get processed ? insert into a mysql database ?
[19:45] <juliux> does somebody allready gets an eee pc from asus to test it with edubuntu?
[19:46] <RichEd> juliux: one of the guys in the montreal support office has a personal unit i think
[19:46] <juliux> ok
[19:46]  * juliux will try to get some from asus-de;)
[19:46] <RichEd> but as far as i have heard Aesus was not particularly interested in ubuntu
[19:46] <juliux> hmmm
[19:47] <LaserJock> RichEd: yeah, it's a drupal node
[19:47] <RichEd> maybe a local office would be interested ... go ahead and ask them
[19:47] <RichEd> because there should be no reason why you couldn't go automated into the database direct ?
[19:48] <LaserJock> RichEd: I think that'd be quite a bit more messy than filling out the form
[19:48] <LaserJock> we're waiting on getting a real event module where we can set up recurring events
[19:58]  * highvoltage is already having trouble keeping his eyes open
[19:59]  * LaserJock slaps highvoltage around a few times
[19:59]  * highvoltage doesn't resist and falls over
[20:00] <highvoltage> juliux: I would think that the Eee PC would run quite similarly than the classmate pc
[20:01] <highvoltage> *bong*
[20:01] <juliux> highvoltage, perhaps but an eee pc can buy everybody;)
[20:01]  * RichEd drags the prone body of highvoltage across into #ubuntu-meeting
[20:01] <stgraber> ==> #ubuntu-meeting
[21:08] <highvoltage> goodnight edubuntu'ers
[21:09]  * highvoltage > much needed sleep
[21:14] <ogra> sleep tight highvoltage
[21:33] <LaserJock> ogra: hmm, there is a sweet chemistry app that'd be a great addition if we do do KDE4
[21:33] <LaserJock> it shares some code with Kalzium and is Qt4
[21:34] <LaserJock> but it's kinda young, I'll have to see if they'll have a nice stable release in time
[21:34] <LaserJock> but it would be a great replacement for Rasmol
[21:35]  * jbrefort should try avogadro ;)
[21:35] <LaserJock> hehe
[21:35] <LaserJock> it's rather nice
[21:35] <jbrefort> yes, but it's qt4 based
[21:36] <LaserJock> yeah, but all you need is the qt4 library, no KDE stuff
[21:36] <jbrefort> it takes a long time to compile on my gentoo
[21:36] <LaserJock> the only deps I had to install where cmake, libqt4-dev, and libeigen-dev
[21:36] <jbrefort> so I added -qt3 -qt4
[21:37] <jbrefort> I might try on the laptop
[21:46] <ogra> RichEd, seen barrys mail ? you need to buy even more bandwith
[21:47] <RichEd> which ? the 800MB  or another ?
[21:48] <ogra> the oggs
[21:49] <ogra> 46 pieces
[21:49]  * RichEd rolls eyes
[21:49] <RichEd> too much information :)
[21:49]  * RichEd heads to bed ... night all
[21:50] <ogra> night :)