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| nixternal | it sure is quiet in here | 04:48 |
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| Jucato | Hobbsee!!!!! | 04:49 |
| Jucato | :) | 04:49 |
| Jucato | nixternal: it wasn't so quiet around 12 hours ago :) | 04:49 |
| Jucato | nixternal!!!! :) | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | hey Jucato! | 04:49 |
| nixternal | heh | 04:50 |
| nixternal | what happened 12 hours ago? | 04:50 |
| nixternal | hiya Hobbsee | 04:50 |
| Jucato | discussion about mhb's plans for Kubuntu's future package manager :) | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | ah yes | 04:50 |
| nixternal | I have been so busy with a clients website, final projects, and plagerizing a 1st draft so I can make it look like I am working on my final paper :p | 04:50 |
| nixternal | PackageKit if and when it gets done | 04:51 |
| Jucato | nope | 04:51 |
| nixternal | I would say pull Adept for the time being and use straight synaptic | 04:51 |
| Jucato | not packagekit | 04:51 |
| nixternal | we are getting way to many issues reported | 04:51 |
| nixternal | why not package kit? | 04:51 |
| nixternal | I am using it in foresight, it is pretty damn nice | 04:51 |
| Jucato | ah foresight uses packagekit as frontend? | 04:51 |
| nixternal | not yet 100%, but getting close | 04:52 |
| nixternal | I built it and have been using it though | 04:52 |
| Jucato | if I interpret him correctly, he's goal is for a browser/based front-end using something like adept-batch as backend (which is a front end to apt...) | 04:52 |
| nixternal | unless someone is going to actively maintain adept, scrap it | 04:53 |
| Jucato | sort of like getdeb (they say) | 04:53 |
| nixternal | why browser based? | 04:53 |
| Jucato | easier to search and install... | 04:53 |
| Jucato | not really browser based I think.. more like kio-apt? apt:/THunderbird will install thunderbird? | 04:54 |
| Jucato | something like that. mhb's the person to explain :) | 04:54 |
| nixternal | is mhb pro-pkgkit? | 04:54 |
| nixternal | if so, I am on his side! :) | 04:54 |
| Jucato | (no) | 04:55 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Just switch to Gnome and you'll have it no problem. | 04:55 |
| Jucato | oh there! ScottK can prolly explain better | 04:55 |
| Jucato | he was there | 04:55 |
| Jucato | ScottK: I still don't believe that you were told the truth about packagekit... | 04:55 |
| ScottK | The idea is have something simple, fast, and easy to use. | 04:55 |
| Jucato | afaik it's not even GNOME-centric/oriented | 04:55 |
| Jucato | (depends on whether you consider D-Bus not to be cross-desktop/fd.o) | 04:55 |
| * ScottK just doesn't get the idea of one package management front end for RPM and APT both. It just doesn't add up. | 04:56 | |
| Jucato | there's apt-rpm already... | 04:56 |
| nixternal | the day I switch to Gnome is the day I marry Steve Ballmer | 04:56 |
| nixternal | just ain't gonna happen | 04:56 |
| Jucato | and kpackage already supports both DEB and RPM | 04:56 |
| nixternal | and conary :p | 04:57 |
| ScottK | It's like crossing the streams in Ghostbusters. | 04:57 |
| ScottK | Fortunately for everyone I know zero about GUI programming so there's no risk of my doing any actual work on this. | 04:58 |
| Jucato | :) | 05:03 |
| Jucato | fortunately for everyone I don't know much programming yet :) | 05:03 |
| nixternal | GUI/Frontend is the easy part, I suck at the backend part | 05:10 |
| nixternal | :) | 05:10 |
| * Jucato huggles nixternal and Hobbsee | 05:10 | |
| Hobbsee | :) | 05:10 |
| nixternal | I need to go to sleep and see if I can actually wake up at 07:00 and not 11:00 tomorrow :) | 05:11 |
| nixternal | I slept through 2 classes today, thankfully in my own bed :) | 05:11 |
| Jucato | lol | 05:11 |
| nixternal | so with that, g'nite and don't let the bed bugs bite! | 05:11 |
| Jucato | k'night! :) | 05:12 |
| Tm_T | Jucato: LAAAAAAAAAAA | 05:46 |
| * Jucato dies of shock | 05:47 | |
| Tm_T | mission accomplished | 05:47 |
| Jucato | __/ + \__ "Here lies Jucato..." | 05:48 |
| Tm_T | Jucato: so you're liar also? | 06:10 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: any idea if kdepim enterprise ever released a 3.5.8 version? | 08:23 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: they do not "release", but they have recently merged stuff from 3.5.8 | 08:24 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: right, that's what i thought. | 08:24 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: I will ask if they are now 3.5.8 complete | 08:24 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: it's too late for this alpha if they are. *shrug* | 08:24 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: I plan to update enterprise snapshot for hardy this weekend | 08:24 |
| Hobbsee | cool | 08:24 |
| Hobbsee | please do actually test them :) | 08:25 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: I did not want to mess kdepim for first alpha, but somebody else did ;-) | 08:25 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 08:25 |
| Hobbsee | well, i'm about to properly fix it now, so... | 08:25 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: sure, I depend 100% on kdepim and I am running my work laptop on hardy | 08:25 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: thanks for fixing package dependancy mess | 08:25 |
| * buz wonders why usb mass storage devices that were already connected upon boot dont show up in media:/ | 10:10 | |
| === Shely is now known as MJ086 | ||
| Tm_T | wow, I sent mail to list | 11:09 |
| Tm_T | my first? | 11:10 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 11:11 |
| Tm_T | yeah, I have also written 4 (!!!!) posts to forums this month | 11:12 |
| Tm_T | I must be seriously sick | 11:13 |
| mhb | hi folks | 11:21 |
| Riddell | nazdar mhb | 11:28 |
| mhb | Riddell: thanks, what a nice greeting! | 11:31 |
| mhb | Riddell: hello to you too | 11:31 |
| Tm_T | mhb: cyfarchion | 11:33 |
| mhb | nixternal: I am against packagekit, because I disagree with the design ... it will work, but it is far too complex to just work fast | 11:33 |
| mhb | nixternal: I like simple and fast applications, Adept was not one of them, but PackageKit will be even more complex than that | 11:34 |
| mhb | Tm_T: is that welsh? | 11:35 |
| Tm_T | aye | 11:35 |
| Tm_T | mhb: google revealed? | 11:36 |
| mhb | Tm_T: yup, I never heard that language before. | 11:37 |
| Tm_T | heh | 11:37 |
| mhb | Unfortunately, I guess. | 11:37 |
| Tm_T | me neither in "real life" | 11:37 |
| mhb | nixternal: my point (and not just mine, I admit I am influenced by a presentation ast had on our uni this week) is that because of overly complex software like packagekit, software is getting slower faster than hardware is getting faster (Wirth's law) | 11:40 |
| mhb | so, with me having given up, is anyone else organizing the meeting? | 11:46 |
| Tm_T | ? | 11:46 |
| mhb | Tm_T: we have tons of topic for a meeting, yet we cannot agree on a date | 11:47 |
| Tm_T | ahha | 11:47 |
| mhb | I tried to get together one, but I gave up in the end | 11:47 |
| Tm_T | aye | 11:48 |
| mhb | every week there is someone saying "oh, this date is no good, there are holidays in U.S./China/South Africa..." | 11:48 |
| mhb | or someone from the council is too busy | 11:49 |
| Tm_T | I know that issue way too well | 11:49 |
| mhb | I am not the type to organize this kind of things, I always go crazy when there is a deadlock, I like things simple and fast and immediately, preferably :o) | 11:50 |
| Tm_T | I'm just constantly "out" | 11:51 |
| * Tm_T is eating now two drugs to head and one occasionally to pain | 11:52 | |
| Tm_T | all of them are, well, drugs | 11:52 |
| mhb | Tm_T: hmm, sorry to hear that | 11:54 |
| Tm_T | no need to be :) | 11:54 |
| Tm_T | it's sort of, hum, improvement | 11:54 |
| Hobbsee | ah yes, meeting! | 11:54 |
| Hobbsee | there will be a meeting on my saturday night. | 11:54 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: which is when in UTC terms? | 11:55 |
| Hobbsee | just figuring now | 11:55 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: good! has it been sent to the ML yet? | 11:55 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: no | 11:55 |
| Hobbsee | 11am UTC good? | 11:55 |
| mhb | fine here (I am quite adaptable, though) | 11:56 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: Riddell? | 11:56 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: ? | 11:56 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: I have to work on my daughter's school on Sat, so it might be tough for me | 11:57 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: yes, should be ok | 11:58 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: I will try to get one hour free around that time and come around | 11:59 |
| Hobbsee | cool, OK :) | 11:59 |
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| Jucato | Hobbsee: no problem (like always...) | 12:07 |
| Jucato | stdin: ping me when you're not to busy in support. need to ask a kde4 (from svn) setup question | 12:21 |
| stdin | ping -c1 Jucato | 12:23 |
| Jucato | unknown host | 12:23 |
| Jucato | stdin: you built kde4 from svn before right? and run it as your primary user? | 12:23 |
| stdin | I have | 12:23 |
| stdin | it's been a while since I've done it though | 12:24 |
| Jucato | hmm.. just gonna ask, did you keep your kde3 apps' $KDEHOME separte from kde4's? and how? or did you just set $KDEHOME to ~/.kde for all? | 12:24 |
| stdin | I had KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde4 | 12:25 |
| Jucato | and kde3 apps use that as their home too? | 12:26 |
| stdin | yeah, if you run them after you export that setting | 12:26 |
| Jucato | hmm ok :) | 12:27 |
| * Jucato wonders what to do when running a full kDE4 session as his main user, but still keep kde3 app data and configs... | 12:27 | |
| stdin | if the kde3 apps see a settings in a config file that they don't understand, they usually just leave it alone | 12:27 |
| stdin | Jucato: you could (if you have the inclination) just make wrapper scripts in ~/bin for the kde3 apps that have "export KDEHOME=~/.kde ; exec YourKDE3App" | 12:30 |
| stdin | at least for the kde3 apps you really need to keep separate from kde4 settings | 12:30 |
| Jucato | hm.. yeah... I think that's in the bashrc script... thanks for reminding me :) | 12:30 |
| Lure | Jucato: there is start3app function that can help to run kde3 apps from origiginal KDEHOME | 12:35 |
| Jucato | Lure: yeah I forgot :) | 12:35 |
| Riddell | you should be able to run kde 4 without settings KDEHOME now | 13:03 |
| Riddell | testers for that welcome | 13:03 |
| nixternal | mornin' | 13:16 |
| nixternal | mhb: packagekit thus far is faster than synaptic from what I have witnessed | 13:16 |
| Riddell | nixternal: what habe you witnessed? | 13:22 |
| Riddell | have | 13:22 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: 11 is fine for me, shall we declare that final? | 13:24 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: sounds good to me. | 13:25 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I have been using package kit in foresight and it is blazingly fast and I have seen others at the LUG messing with it | 13:25 |
| Riddell | nixternal: fancy adding kubuntu meeting at 11:00UTC to fridge? | 13:39 |
| nixternal | sure | 13:42 |
| nixternal | when though? | 13:42 |
| Hobbsee | 11 utc, my saturday night | 13:43 |
| Hobbsee | which i believe is your saturday day | 13:43 |
| nixternal | saturday morning (05:00) | 13:44 |
| nixternal | added to the fridge | 13:46 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: if we have any candidates for Saturday, besides stdin, let me know so I can give a preview and email my votes | 13:56 |
| * Jucato will keep quiet there... but assures stdin of his support... | 13:58 | |
| stdin | :) | 13:58 |
| nixternal | I already gave Hobbsee my vote for stdin, and it wasn't pretty :p | 13:59 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 13:59 |
| Jucato | :P | 13:59 |
| sebastian^ | hi folks :) | 13:59 |
| nixternal | if it were a model, it would look something like this -> - | 1 | 13:59 |
| nixternal | howdy sebastian^ | 13:59 |
| Jucato | !hi | 14:00 |
| ubotu | Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu-devel! | 14:00 |
| Jucato | :) | 14:00 |
| sebastian^ | what a boring day and what a damn weather here in ffm :-/ | 14:01 |
| nixternal | it be a cold one today in Chicago...we are supposed to get some good snow this week though I heard | 14:02 |
| * nixternal checks weather.com | 14:02 | |
| Jucato | ffm? | 14:02 |
| Jucato | 80.7 ºF over here... at night... :/ | 14:02 |
| sebastian^ | i think we wont get any snow here in frankfurt | 14:03 |
| sebastian^ | only cold and wet weather :-/ | 14:04 |
| nixternal | hey, I would love to stay and chat, but I have to go learn something today :p | 14:41 |
| Serega | greetings | 14:43 |
| * Hobbsee waves | 14:44 | |
| * Jucato drawns | 14:45 | |
| Jucato | er.. drowns... | 14:45 |
| Jucato | even in dying I can't spell... | 14:45 |
| stdin | that's what spell checkers are for | 14:47 |
| jpatrick | buz: ok, I think this patch looks uploading to my ppa soon | 14:47 |
| stdin | I feel I've done my good deed for the day, just removed all instances of "use sudo vi ..." from the help.u.c :) | 15:08 |
| jpatrick | hi Serega | 15:09 |
| Riddell | stdin: what did you replace them with? | 15:10 |
| stdin | Riddell: sudo nano | 15:10 |
| Riddell | stdin: can you make the meeting on saturday? | 15:10 |
| stdin | Riddell: I'm pretty sure I can | 15:11 |
| stdin | unless, ya know, someone dies, I'll be here :p | 15:11 |
| * Hobbsee dies | 15:11 | |
| stdin | nooo, we need the LPSoD | 15:12 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: the other candidates are the kubuntu-es admins, but.. looks like I'm the only one that can +1 them, would they count? | 15:12 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: sure | 15:13 |
| jpatrick | ok, cool | 15:13 |
| jpatrick | buz: just finished uploading the LUKS enabled kdebase to my ppa | 15:15 |
| jpatrick | hope it builds.. | 15:15 |
| Serega | jpatrick: hey | 15:17 |
| Serega | has anyone tried my patch? | 15:26 |
| Riddell | Serega: I'm afraid it hasn't got to the top of my todo list yet | 15:28 |
| Riddell | it should do sometime today | 15:28 |
| buz | jpatrick: lemme see | 15:35 |
| buz | oh its still building :) | 15:35 |
| mhb | nixternal: have you tested that on our minimum requirements? | 16:56 |
| mhb | nixternal: Vista is also fast, provided you have a new machine... speed is a) relative b) not always the right value to measure. | 16:57 |
| mhb | nixternal: it is an implication - simplicity => speed, but the other way around does not have to be true. | 17:00 |
| mhb | besides, does daemonized package management actually solve any of our problems? | 17:01 |
| mhb | do we have problems with the current way, except that Adept sucks? | 17:02 |
| * mhb should stop asking silly questions to an empty room :o) | 17:03 | |
| Riddell | the problem with the current way is there's nobody to maintain a package manager. if we can do it cross distro that going to be less of a problem | 17:05 |
| mhb | Riddell: like I said before, although it is a wicked idea, I dont see a reason for a "classical" PM at the moment | 17:08 |
| mhb | I see a reason for a way to install and remove applications, users do that | 17:09 |
| mhb | advanced users will use apt tools because it offers much more than a conventional PM will ever offer | 17:09 |
| mhb | but we dont need a robust tool as Adept was ... IMHO we need an updater, a batch mode installer and gdebi. Everything else either lacks a target user base, or can be substituted by an advanced kio-apt. | 17:12 |
| mhb | heh | 17:43 |
| mhb | http://www.alweb.dk/gallery/engelsk/oxygen_menu | 17:44 |
| * nosrednaekim is mad! there is no GHOP KDE projects!! | 17:44 | |
| === apachelogger is now known as onairlogger | ||
| === apachelogger is now known as onairlogger | ||
| mhb | come on people, lets not make this a silent channel | 19:19 |
| jjesse | maybe we are all busy working on kubuntu? | 19:20 |
| Riddell | very busy! | 19:21 |
| mhb | Riddell for sure | 19:21 |
| mhb | the others I am not that sure ... | 19:21 |
| mhb | look at nix, for example, jumping ship and working on foresight | 19:22 |
| mhb | :o) | 19:22 |
| * jpatrick grrs ppa | 19:22 | |
| jpatrick | mhb: I'm trying to implement LUKS support into kdebase :p | 19:22 |
| jpatrick | all most got it | 19:22 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: shouldn't kubuntu-es.org be working? | 19:23 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: someone else has the domain name, and we're waiting for it to become unregistered, however the site can be access for {x|edu}buntu-es | 19:24 |
| jpatrick | now... anyone know how I can get the Makefile's in /kioslave/media/mounthelper/ to make a decryptdialog.ui into a *.h? | 19:29 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: just add it to the foo_SOURCES target | 19:31 |
| * jpatrick adds to kio_media_la_SOURCES | 19:31 | |
| Riddell | you might also need to run make -f Makefile.cvs after editing Makefile.am files | 19:32 |
| jpatrick | but.. that will mean adding it to debian/rules no? | 19:33 |
| Riddell | no, it just needs to be run once | 19:35 |
| Riddell | make -f debian/rules buildprep does the same thing | 19:35 |
| jpatrick | ok, cool, don't want to break anything there | 19:36 |
| buz | jpatrick: did the sources compile for you locally? | 19:39 |
| jpatrick | buz: no, but I just have to add the decryptdialog.ui to the Makefile and that should be it :) | 19:40 |
| buz | aight | 19:41 |
| yuriy | aw KDE isn't participating in this http://code.google.com/opensource/ghop/2007-8/ | 19:50 |
| buz | i have never even heard of silverstipe | 19:57 |
| buz | stripe | 19:57 |
| * mhb neither | 19:58 | |
| buz | looks like ajaxified typo3 | 19:59 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | stdin: ping | 20:08 |
| stdin | CPrgmSwR2: pong | 20:09 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | Are you going to re-build kde4 or wait until its released to rebuild it | 20:10 |
| stdin | haven't really decided yet, I'll build it from svn a few times and see if there's any point | 20:10 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | stdin: the one you built previously has the windows listed with 50% of the bar | 20:11 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | and uses the blue bar rather than the new black bar | 20:11 |
| stdin | I'm sure that'll be fixed sometime by kde, but there's no exact time for it | 20:12 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | its already fixed | 20:13 |
| stdin | so I'd have to build it from svn, test it, reppackage it then re-upload it | 20:13 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | its just not in the builds that you made | 20:13 |
| stdin | I know, I built what kde released :p | 20:13 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | ah okay | 20:13 |
| stdin | I'd also have to get some sort of system going where I can test the builds and upload if they're ok | 20:14 |
| stdin | and my bandwidth will definitely suffer if i decide to do that | 20:15 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | oh okay | 20:15 |
| stdin | it's also dependant on the state of the PPAs, there's not guarantee the quota won't come into force soon | 20:16 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | stdin: then how will kde4 get built in the future | 20:16 |
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| stdin | same way the betas were, the'll be uploaded to the ubuntu archive | 20:16 |
| stdin | by Riddell most likely | 20:17 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | okay | 20:17 |
| stdin | (he has more package-foo than me) | 20:17 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | I will just wait another 2 weeks then | 20:17 |
| stdin | if you're really interested in seeing the current state of KDE4 then SVN is always the best way to go | 20:18 |
| stdin | the source changes so much by the time I packaged it and released it, it'd be out-of-date | 20:18 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | yeah thats true | 20:19 |
| stdin | CPrgmSwR2: there'll also be some Kubuntu+KDE4 LiveCDs available, like the one for RC1 now | 20:19 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | stdin: okay thnx | 20:22 |
| * bobesponja is away: Gone away for now. | 20:22 | |
| === bobesponja is now known as bobesponja_ | ||
| mhb | like I said before - http://www.alweb.dk/gallery/engelsk/oxygen_menu - is a good benchmark on how KDE4.0 will be ready | 20:41 |
| mhb | the oxygen menu is really strange, and the theme wont be ready even for 4.0 release | 20:42 |
| Riddell | the theme is totally unready | 20:43 |
| Riddell | oxygen icons are one of the best parts of KDE 4 | 20:43 |
| mhb | icons are nice, true ... but I fear "not-ready" parts of KDE 4.0 will be spread throughout the system | 20:43 |
| mhb | is the plasma panel movable yet? | 20:44 |
| Riddell | not sure, waiting for the new snapshot to package | 20:44 |
| Riddell | the release will probably be delayed until january anyway | 20:44 |
| mhb | oh will it? | 20:45 |
| mhb | I havent heard the news yet | 20:45 |
| Riddell | that's the vibe from release-team | 20:45 |
| mhb | hmm | 20:47 |
| mhb | someone slap me, I am slowly starting to stop being delusional about the great, slow moving cathedral being KDE | 20:49 |
| Tm_T | =) | 20:50 |
| Tm_T | mhb: I had something fun in my KDE4 | 20:50 |
| Tm_T | mhb: almost like it was software accelerated | 20:51 |
| nixternal | Riddell: shh, you weren't supposed to talk about pushing it back another month :p | 20:51 |
| nixternal | mhb: no jumping ship to foresight here....I am Kubuntu blue through and through :) | 20:51 |
| buz | a delay sounds like a sensible thing | 20:51 |
| Tm_T | meh | 20:51 |
| buz | its only approaching beta quality about now in my book | 20:52 |
| nixternal | buz: I tend to agree | 20:52 |
| Tm_T | depends on parts | 20:52 |
| nixternal | Konqueror is probably the buggiest thing I have seen yet, and less than a month isn't going to be enough time to work out all of its kinks | 20:52 |
| Tm_T | Konsole has some weird painting issues | 20:52 |
| Tm_T | or is it Oxygen style, who knows | 20:53 |
| nixternal | Tm_T: forgot about that....plus if I can't make konsole transparent, then it isn't ready in my book :) | 20:53 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Then you must not use Adept. | 20:53 |
| nixternal | ya, the oxygen style isn't my favorite :) | 20:53 |
| nixternal | ScottK: I only use adept_updater | 20:53 |
| buz | and i sure cant get compositing to work | 20:53 |
| ScottK | Well there you go. | 20:53 |
| nixternal | I have a dpkg -l > foo that I use to install all of the apps I use when I create a new system | 20:54 |
| mhb | has anyone tested KDE4 when it comes to speed? | 20:54 |
| mhb | I mean doing a non-debug build and then compare startup times, etc. | 20:54 |
| nixternal | mhb: slow, but not deadly slow...i run it on a celern m 1.6 with 1.5gb of ram | 20:55 |
| buz | mhb: some things seemed pretty quick, others pretty slow | 20:55 |
| nixternal | not the fastest machine, but unlike compiz, all of the composite stuff actually works on this intel chipset | 20:55 |
| onairlogger | intel++ | 20:55 |
| mhb | nixternal: slow? aww. | 20:55 |
| buz | nixternal: what intel chipset do you have? | 20:55 |
| nixternal | 945? something like that | 20:55 |
| * onairlogger notes to do some speed testing | 20:55 | |
| mhb | OTOH, my intel chipset doesnt work at all | 20:55 |
| buz | i can run compiz but not kwin_composite | 20:55 |
| buz | mhb: same here | 20:55 |
| buz | 965 | 20:56 |
| nixternal | Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, | 20:56 |
| nixternal | ya | 20:56 |
| buz | could you post your xorg somewhere? | 20:56 |
| buz | xorg.conf that is ;) | 20:56 |
| nixternal | me? | 20:56 |
| mhb | ntel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller | 20:56 |
| buz | yeah | 20:56 |
| nixternal | sure buz, one sec | 20:56 |
| buz | mhb: the 943 is some sort of castrated chip | 20:56 |
| nixternal | !pastebin | 20:56 |
| ubotu | pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | 20:56 |
| mhb | nixternal: was that to me? | 20:57 |
| buz | i think that was to himself ;) | 20:57 |
| nixternal | buz: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46150/ | 20:57 |
| mhb | nixternal: I just posted one line :o( please do sentence me to life | 20:57 |
| buz | thanks | 20:57 |
| buz | will try it tomorrow | 20:57 |
| nixternal | mhb: no, I couldn't remember the pastebin url :) | 20:57 |
| onairlogger | -.- | 20:58 |
| mhb | why is every new piece of software so slow :o( | 21:00 |
| buz | nixternal: you're using another driver | 21:00 |
| buz | that one doesnt work with my 965 | 21:00 |
| buz | :( | 21:00 |
| onairlogger | oh | 21:01 |
| onairlogger | I has a 965 as well I think | 21:01 |
| buz | got composite to work on that? | 21:01 |
| mhb | I solemnly swear the next piece of software I am going to develop, I am going to make sure the minimum requirements will stay fixed throughout the releases and that speed would either stay the same or increase | 21:02 |
| onairlogger | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46151/ | 21:02 |
| mhb | also, I solemnly swear that I am up to no good. | 21:02 |
| onairlogger | buz: what's your issue? | 21:02 |
| jjesse | argh can't remember what is that line from mhb? | 21:02 |
| jjesse | harry potter right | 21:02 |
| buz | kwin_composite complains "No compositing" | 21:03 |
| buz | even though compiz works just fine | 21:03 |
| onairlogger | Oo | 21:03 |
| onairlogger | buz: packages or self compiled? | 21:03 |
| buz | stdin's packages | 21:04 |
| onairlogger | is compositing actually enabled in these pacakges? | 21:05 |
| stdin | it is, I got it working | 21:05 |
| onairlogger | hm | 21:05 |
| stdin | < intel 945 | 21:05 |
| stdin | relevant section of ~/.kde4/share/config/kwinrc > http://stdin.pastebin.com/m65a121d1 | 21:06 |
| buz | Xrender is painfully slow | 21:06 |
| buz | and doesnt seem to work, anyhow | 21:06 |
| stdin | not slow for me | 21:06 |
| onairlogger | +1 | 21:07 |
| jjesse | +1 for which comment? | 21:08 |
| onairlogger | the not slowy one :) | 21:09 |
| === kde4 is now known as buz_kde4 | ||
| buz_kde4 | could paste the url again? i cant copy paste between sessions :) | 21:09 |
| stdin | in fact, it's fast enough for me to use on the liveCD, so it more than enough from a real session | 21:09 |
| stdin | http://stdin.pastebin.com/m65a121d1 | 21:10 |
| buz_kde4 | thx | 21:10 |
| stdin | you can access the kwin composite settings by running "kcmshell4 kwincompositing" too | 21:10 |
| buz_kde4 | mhh doesnt seem to very much | 21:11 |
| buz_kde4 | dim inactive windows doesnt do anything at all | 21:11 |
| buz_kde4 | can also click in the window title bar | 21:11 |
| buz_kde4 | no shadows anywhere, either | 21:11 |
| stdin | try tweaking the settings with the command I gave | 21:11 |
| buz_kde4 | mhh it works with alt tab | 21:12 |
| buz_kde4 | thats weird | 21:12 |
| buz_kde4 | yeah thats the same as you get with right click title bar -> configure window behavior -> desktop effects | 21:13 |
| stdin | did you restart kwin after pasting the section in kwinrc? | 21:13 |
| buz_kde4 | yes | 21:13 |
| buz_kde4 | some effects appear | 21:14 |
| buz_kde4 | like dimming with alt-tab | 21:14 |
| stdin | well, then composite is working | 21:14 |
| buz_kde4 | but dim inactive windows for example is not | 21:15 |
| buz_kde4 | and it creates no end of graphic errors | 21:15 |
| buz_kde4 | like broken menu | 21:15 |
| buz_kde4 | or disappearing windows | 21:16 |
| buz_kde4 | which then reappear later | 21:16 |
| onairlogger | buz_kde4: bug report | 21:17 |
| buz_kde4 | hard to describe | 21:17 |
| buz_kde4 | i might try doing a video | 21:17 |
| onairlogger | well, you can first bug lubos on irc | 21:18 |
| onairlogger | whatever his nick might be -.- | 21:18 |
| buz_kde4 | looks like the disappearing stuff is related to the fall apart plugin | 21:18 |
| buz_kde4 | without that, it doesnt seem to happen | 21:18 |
| buz_kde4 | mhh the thumbnail at side of screen is neat | 21:19 |
| ryanakca | stdin: you a member yet? | 21:25 |
| jjesse | i thought we voted him in :) | 21:25 |
| stdin | not yet :( | 21:25 |
| ryanakca | stdin: pitty... bug them all :) | 21:28 |
| stdin | I could, but there's a meeting on saturday anyway | 21:29 |
| stdin | few days won't kill me, hopefully :p | 21:29 |
| kwwii | hrm, a meeting on saturday? | 21:36 |
| jpatrick | yep | 21:37 |
| kwwii | guess I missed an email somewhere then | 21:37 |
| stdin | kwwii: it was only decided today | 21:38 |
| stdin | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1245 | 21:38 |
| kwwii | cool, thanks for that link | 21:39 |
| kwwii | which reminds me, we are having an art team meeting if someone other than myself would like to represent kubuntu | 21:43 |
| kwwii | mhb, would you be interested in this? | 21:43 |
| Riddell | I don't think hobbsee has sent an e-mail | 21:44 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | 7.10 out, you all rock! | Merge away: http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | Meeting Saturday 11UTC | ||
| Riddell | kwwii: do you think we could search through the entries in the oxygen wallpaper contest for something to use in hardy? | 21:45 |
| kwwii | Riddell: I don't see why not | 21:46 |
| Riddell | kwwii: do you know where we can find them? | 21:46 |
| kwwii | Riddell: I was just looking on my disk to find them | 21:46 |
| kwwii | it appears that I erased them already, I'll ask ruphy for them | 21:47 |
| kwwii | Riddell: he is asleep for today...I'll find out in the morning | 21:49 |
| Riddell | cool | 21:52 |
| mhb | kwwii: when? | 21:53 |
| kwwii | mhb: sat night at 20:00 CET | 21:53 |
| mhb | okay, will be there | 21:53 |
| mhb | kwwii: thanks for notifying me! | 21:53 |
| Riddell | thanks mhb | 21:53 |
| kwwii | mhb: no problem, good to hear that you can come | 21:54 |
| === jpatrick_ is now known as jpatrick | ||
| === onairlogger is now known as apachelogger | ||
| jpatrick | Riddell: bug 128863 awaiting upload (test pkgs in my ppa) - buz isn't around tho... | 22:54 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 128863 in kdebase "[WISH] Merge patch for LUKS support from SuSE" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128863 | 22:54 |
| jpatrick | and, I'm off, see you all tomorrow! | 23:04 |
| LaserJock | hola | 23:30 |
| LaserJock | I'm wondering what you guys have been doing with bugs filed against KDE3 packages that are gonna be fixed in KDE4? | 23:30 |
| crimsun | mass-reassign to laserjock, derh. | 23:33 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: haha, just what I need | 23:34 |
| LaserJock | I was thinking of making it "Won't Fix" with a nice link to the upstream bug report and explaination that it's going to be done in KDE4 | 23:35 |
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