[04:48] <nixternal> it sure is quiet in here
[04:49] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!!!!
[04:49] <Jucato> :)
[04:49] <Jucato> nixternal: it wasn't so quiet around 12 hours ago :)
[04:49] <Jucato> nixternal!!!! :)
[04:49] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[04:50] <nixternal> heh
[04:50] <nixternal> what happened 12 hours ago?
[04:50] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[04:50] <Jucato> discussion about mhb's plans for Kubuntu's future package manager :)
[04:50] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[04:50] <nixternal> I have been so busy with a clients website, final projects, and plagerizing a 1st draft so I can make it look like I am working on my final paper :p
[04:51] <nixternal> PackageKit if and when it gets done
[04:51] <Jucato> nope
[04:51] <nixternal> I would say pull Adept for the time being and use straight synaptic
[04:51] <Jucato> not packagekit
[04:51] <nixternal> we are getting way to many issues reported
[04:51] <nixternal> why not package kit?
[04:51] <nixternal> I am using it in foresight, it is pretty damn nice
[04:51] <Jucato> ah foresight uses packagekit as frontend?
[04:52] <nixternal> not yet 100%, but getting close
[04:52] <nixternal> I built it and have been using it though
[04:52] <Jucato> if I interpret him correctly, he's goal is for a browser/based front-end using something like adept-batch as backend (which is a front end to apt...)
[04:53] <nixternal> unless someone is going to actively maintain adept, scrap it
[04:53] <Jucato> sort of like getdeb (they say)
[04:53] <nixternal> why browser based?
[04:53] <Jucato> easier to search and install...
[04:54] <Jucato> not really browser based I think.. more like kio-apt? apt:/THunderbird will install thunderbird?
[04:54] <Jucato> something like that. mhb's the person to explain :)
[04:54] <nixternal> is mhb pro-pkgkit?
[04:54] <nixternal> if so, I am on his side! :)
[04:55] <Jucato> (no)
[04:55] <ScottK> nixternal: Just switch to Gnome and you'll have it no problem.
[04:55] <Jucato> oh there! ScottK can prolly explain better
[04:55] <Jucato> he was there
[04:55] <Jucato> ScottK: I still don't believe that you were told the truth about packagekit...
[04:55] <ScottK> The idea is have something simple, fast, and easy to use.
[04:55] <Jucato> afaik it's not even GNOME-centric/oriented
[04:55] <Jucato> (depends on whether you consider D-Bus not to be cross-desktop/fd.o)
[04:56]  * ScottK just doesn't get the idea of one package management front end for RPM and APT both.  It just doesn't add up.
[04:56] <Jucato> there's apt-rpm already...
[04:56] <nixternal> the day I switch to Gnome is the day I marry Steve Ballmer
[04:56] <nixternal> just ain't gonna happen
[04:56] <Jucato> and kpackage already supports both DEB and RPM
[04:57] <nixternal> and conary :p
[04:57] <ScottK> It's like crossing the streams in Ghostbusters.
[04:58] <ScottK> Fortunately for everyone I know zero about GUI programming so there's no risk of my doing any actual work on this.
[05:03] <Jucato> :)
[05:03] <Jucato> fortunately for everyone I don't know much programming yet :)
[05:10] <nixternal> GUI/Frontend is the easy part, I suck at the backend part
[05:10] <nixternal> :)
[05:10]  * Jucato huggles nixternal and Hobbsee
[05:10] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:11] <nixternal> I need to go to sleep and see if I can actually wake up at 07:00 and not 11:00 tomorrow :)
[05:11] <nixternal> I slept through 2 classes today, thankfully in my own bed :)
[05:11] <Jucato> lol
[05:11] <nixternal> so with that, g'nite and don't let the bed bugs bite!
[05:12] <Jucato> k'night! :)
[05:46] <Tm_T> Jucato: LAAAAAAAAAAA
[05:47]  * Jucato dies of shock
[05:47] <Tm_T> mission accomplished
[05:48] <Jucato> __/ + \__ "Here lies Jucato..."
[06:10] <Tm_T> Jucato: so you're liar also?
[08:23] <Hobbsee> Lure: any idea if kdepim enterprise ever released a 3.5.8 version?
[08:24] <Lure> Hobbsee: they do not "release", but they have recently merged stuff from 3.5.8
[08:24] <Hobbsee> Lure: right, that's what i thought.
[08:24] <Lure> Hobbsee: I will ask if they are now 3.5.8 complete
[08:24] <Hobbsee> Lure: it's too late for this alpha if they are.  *shrug*
[08:24] <Lure> Hobbsee: I plan to update enterprise snapshot for hardy this weekend
[08:24] <Hobbsee> cool
[08:25] <Hobbsee> please do actually test them :)
[08:25] <Lure> Hobbsee: I did not want to mess kdepim for first alpha, but somebody else did ;-)
[08:25] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:25] <Hobbsee> well, i'm about to properly fix it now, so...
[08:25] <Lure> Hobbsee: sure, I depend 100% on kdepim and I am running my work laptop on hardy
[08:25] <Lure> Hobbsee: thanks for fixing package dependancy mess
[10:10]  * buz wonders why usb mass storage devices that were already connected upon boot dont show up in media:/
[11:09] <Tm_T> wow, I sent mail to list
[11:10] <Tm_T> my first?
[11:11] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:12] <Tm_T> yeah, I have also written 4 (!!!!) posts to forums this month
[11:13] <Tm_T> I must be seriously sick
[11:21] <mhb> hi folks
[11:28] <Riddell> nazdar mhb
[11:31] <mhb> Riddell: thanks, what a nice greeting!
[11:31] <mhb> Riddell: hello to you too
[11:33] <Tm_T> mhb: cyfarchion
[11:33] <mhb> nixternal: I am against packagekit, because I disagree with the design ... it will work, but it is far too complex to just work fast
[11:34] <mhb> nixternal: I like simple and fast applications, Adept was not one of them, but PackageKit will be even more complex than that
[11:35] <mhb> Tm_T: is that welsh?
[11:35] <Tm_T> aye
[11:36] <Tm_T> mhb: google revealed?
[11:37] <mhb> Tm_T: yup, I never heard that language before.
[11:37] <Tm_T> heh
[11:37] <mhb> Unfortunately, I guess.
[11:37] <Tm_T> me neither in "real life"
[11:40] <mhb> nixternal: my point (and not just mine, I admit I am influenced by a presentation ast had on our uni this week) is that because of overly complex software like packagekit, software is getting slower faster than hardware is getting faster (Wirth's law)
[11:46] <mhb> so, with me having given up, is anyone else organizing the meeting?
[11:46] <Tm_T> ?
[11:47] <mhb> Tm_T: we have tons of topic for a meeting, yet we cannot agree on a date
[11:47] <Tm_T> ahha
[11:47] <mhb> I tried to get together one, but I gave up in the end
[11:48] <Tm_T> aye
[11:48] <mhb> every week there is someone saying "oh, this date is no good, there are holidays in U.S./China/South Africa..."
[11:49] <mhb> or someone from the council is too busy
[11:49] <Tm_T> I know that issue way too well
[11:50] <mhb> I am not the type to organize this kind of things, I always go crazy when there is a deadlock, I like things simple and fast and immediately, preferably :o)
[11:51] <Tm_T> I'm just constantly "out"
[11:52]  * Tm_T is eating now two drugs to head and one occasionally to pain
[11:52] <Tm_T> all of them are, well, drugs
[11:54] <mhb> Tm_T: hmm, sorry to hear that
[11:54] <Tm_T> no need to be :)
[11:54] <Tm_T> it's sort of, hum, improvement
[11:54] <Hobbsee> ah yes, meeting!
[11:54] <Hobbsee> there will be a meeting on my saturday night.
[11:55] <Lure> Hobbsee: which is when in UTC terms?
[11:55] <Hobbsee> just figuring now
[11:55] <mhb> Hobbsee: good! has it been sent to the ML yet?
[11:55] <Hobbsee> mhb: no
[11:55] <Hobbsee> 11am UTC good?
[11:56] <mhb> fine here (I am quite adaptable, though)
[11:56] <Hobbsee> Lure: Riddell?
[11:56] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ?
[11:57] <Lure> Hobbsee: I have to work on my daughter's school on Sat, so it might be tough for me
[11:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, should be ok
[11:59] <Lure> Hobbsee: I will try to get one hour free around that time and come around
[11:59] <Hobbsee> cool, OK :)
[12:07] <Jucato> Hobbsee: no problem (like always...)
[12:21] <Jucato> stdin: ping me when you're not to busy in support. need to ask a kde4 (from svn) setup question
[12:23] <stdin> ping -c1 Jucato
[12:23] <Jucato> unknown host
[12:23] <Jucato> stdin: you built kde4 from svn before right? and run it as your primary user?
[12:23] <stdin> I have
[12:24] <stdin> it's been a while since I've done it though
[12:24] <Jucato> hmm.. just gonna ask, did you keep your kde3 apps' $KDEHOME separte from kde4's? and how? or did you just set $KDEHOME to ~/.kde for all?
[12:25] <stdin> I had KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde4
[12:26] <Jucato> and kde3 apps use that as their home too?
[12:26] <stdin> yeah, if you run them after you export that setting
[12:27] <Jucato> hmm ok :)
[12:27]  * Jucato wonders what to do when running a full kDE4 session as his main user, but still keep kde3 app data and configs...
[12:27] <stdin> if the kde3 apps see a settings in a config file that they don't understand, they usually just leave it alone
[12:30] <stdin> Jucato: you could (if you have the inclination) just make wrapper scripts in ~/bin for the kde3 apps that have "export KDEHOME=~/.kde ; exec YourKDE3App"
[12:30] <stdin> at least for the kde3 apps you really need to keep separate from kde4 settings
[12:30] <Jucato> hm.. yeah... I think that's in the bashrc script... thanks for reminding me :)
[12:35] <Lure> Jucato: there is start3app function that can help to run kde3 apps from origiginal KDEHOME
[12:35] <Jucato> Lure: yeah I forgot :)
[13:03] <Riddell> you should be able to run kde 4 without settings KDEHOME now
[13:03] <Riddell> testers for that welcome
[13:16] <nixternal> mornin'
[13:16] <nixternal> mhb: packagekit thus far is faster than synaptic from what I have witnessed
[13:22] <Riddell> nixternal: what habe you witnessed?
[13:22] <Riddell> have
[13:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: 11 is fine for me, shall we declare that final?
[13:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sounds good to me.
[13:25] <nixternal> Riddell: I have been using package kit in foresight and it is blazingly fast and I have seen others at the LUG messing with it
[13:39] <Riddell> nixternal: fancy adding kubuntu meeting at 11:00UTC to fridge?
[13:42] <nixternal> sure
[13:42] <nixternal> when though?
[13:43] <Hobbsee> 11 utc, my saturday night
[13:43] <Hobbsee> which i believe is your saturday day
[13:44] <nixternal> saturday morning (05:00)
[13:46] <nixternal> added to the fridge
[13:56] <nixternal> Hobbsee: if we have any candidates for Saturday, besides stdin, let me know so I can give a preview and email my votes
[13:58]  * Jucato will keep quiet there... but assures stdin of his support...
[13:58] <stdin> :)
[13:59] <nixternal> I already gave Hobbsee my vote for stdin, and it wasn't pretty :p
[13:59] <Hobbsee> :P
[13:59] <Jucato> :P
[13:59] <sebastian^> hi folks :)
[13:59] <nixternal> if it were a model, it would look something like this -> - | 1
[13:59] <nixternal> howdy sebastian^
[14:00] <Jucato> !hi
[14:00] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu-devel!
[14:00] <Jucato> :)
[14:01] <sebastian^> what a boring day and what a damn weather here in ffm :-/
[14:02] <nixternal> it be a cold one today in Chicago...we are supposed to get some good snow this week though I heard
[14:02]  * nixternal checks weather.com
[14:02] <Jucato> ffm?
[14:02] <Jucato> 80.7 ºF over here... at night... :/
[14:03] <sebastian^> i think we wont get any snow here in frankfurt
[14:04] <sebastian^> only cold and wet weather :-/
[14:41] <nixternal> hey, I would love to stay and chat, but I have to go learn something today :p
[14:43] <Serega> greetings
[14:44]  * Hobbsee waves
[14:45]  * Jucato drawns
[14:45] <Jucato> er.. drowns...
[14:45] <Jucato> even in dying I can't spell...
[14:47] <stdin> that's what spell checkers are for
[14:47] <jpatrick> buz: ok, I think this patch looks uploading to my ppa soon
[15:08] <stdin> I feel I've done my good deed for the day, just removed all instances of "use sudo vi ..." from the help.u.c :)
[15:09] <jpatrick> hi Serega
[15:10] <Riddell> stdin: what did you replace them with?
[15:10] <stdin> Riddell: sudo nano
[15:10] <Riddell> stdin: can you make the meeting on saturday?
[15:11] <stdin> Riddell: I'm pretty sure I can
[15:11] <stdin> unless, ya know, someone dies, I'll be here :p
[15:11]  * Hobbsee dies
[15:12] <stdin> nooo, we need the LPSoD
[15:12] <jpatrick> Riddell: the other candidates are the kubuntu-es admins, but.. looks like I'm the only one that can +1 them, would they count?
[15:13] <Riddell> jpatrick: sure
[15:13] <jpatrick> ok, cool
[15:15] <jpatrick> buz: just finished uploading the LUKS enabled kdebase to my ppa
[15:15] <jpatrick> hope it builds..
[15:17] <Serega> jpatrick: hey
[15:26] <Serega> has anyone tried my patch?
[15:28] <Riddell> Serega: I'm afraid it hasn't got to the top of my todo list yet
[15:28] <Riddell> it should do sometime today
[15:35] <buz> jpatrick: lemme see
[15:35] <buz> oh its still building :)
[16:56] <mhb> nixternal: have you tested that on our minimum requirements?
[16:57] <mhb> nixternal: Vista is also fast, provided you have a new machine... speed is a) relative b) not always the right value to measure.
[17:00] <mhb> nixternal: it is an implication - simplicity => speed, but the other way around does not have to be true.
[17:01] <mhb> besides, does daemonized package management actually solve any of our problems?
[17:02] <mhb> do we have problems with the current way, except that Adept sucks?
[17:03]  * mhb should stop asking silly questions to an empty room :o)
[17:05] <Riddell> the problem with the current way is there's nobody to maintain a package manager.  if we can do it cross distro that going to be less of a problem
[17:08] <mhb> Riddell: like I said before, although it is a wicked idea, I dont see a reason for a "classical" PM at the moment
[17:09] <mhb> I see a reason for a way to install and remove applications, users do that
[17:09] <mhb> advanced users will use apt tools because it offers much more than a conventional PM will ever offer
[17:12] <mhb> but we dont need a robust tool as Adept was ... IMHO we need an updater, a batch mode installer and gdebi. Everything else either lacks a target user base, or can be substituted by an advanced kio-apt.
[17:43] <mhb> heh
[17:44] <mhb> http://www.alweb.dk/gallery/engelsk/oxygen_menu
[17:44]  * nosrednaekim is mad! there is no GHOP KDE projects!!
[19:19] <mhb> come on people, lets not make this a silent channel
[19:20] <jjesse> maybe we are all busy working on kubuntu?
[19:21] <Riddell> very busy!
[19:21] <mhb> Riddell for sure
[19:21] <mhb> the others I am not that sure ...
[19:22] <mhb> look at nix, for example, jumping ship and working on foresight
[19:22] <mhb> :o)
[19:22]  * jpatrick grrs ppa
[19:22] <jpatrick> mhb: I'm trying to implement LUKS support into kdebase :p
[19:22] <jpatrick> all most got it
[19:23] <Riddell> jpatrick: shouldn't kubuntu-es.org be working?
[19:24] <jpatrick> Riddell: someone else has the domain name, and we're waiting for it to become unregistered, however the site can be access for {x|edu}buntu-es
[19:29] <jpatrick> now... anyone know how I can get the Makefile's in /kioslave/media/mounthelper/ to make a decryptdialog.ui into a *.h?
[19:31] <Riddell> jpatrick: just add it to the foo_SOURCES target
[19:31]  * jpatrick adds to kio_media_la_SOURCES
[19:32] <Riddell> you might also need to run make -f Makefile.cvs after editing Makefile.am files
[19:33] <jpatrick> but.. that will mean adding it to debian/rules no?
[19:35] <Riddell> no, it just needs to be run once
[19:35] <Riddell> make -f debian/rules buildprep   does the same thing
[19:36] <jpatrick> ok, cool, don't want to break anything there
[19:39] <buz> jpatrick: did the sources compile for you  locally?
[19:40] <jpatrick> buz: no, but I just have to add the decryptdialog.ui to the Makefile and that should be it :)
[19:41] <buz> aight
[19:50] <yuriy> aw KDE isn't participating in this http://code.google.com/opensource/ghop/2007-8/
[19:57] <buz> i have never even heard of silverstipe
[19:57] <buz> stripe
[19:58]  * mhb neither
[19:59] <buz> looks like ajaxified typo3
[20:08] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: ping
[20:09] <stdin> CPrgmSwR2: pong
[20:10] <CPrgmSwR2> Are you going to re-build kde4 or wait until its released to rebuild it
[20:10] <stdin> haven't really decided yet, I'll build it from svn a few times and see if there's any point
[20:11] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: the one you built previously has the windows listed with 50% of the bar
[20:11] <CPrgmSwR2> and uses the blue bar rather than the new black bar
[20:12] <stdin> I'm sure that'll be fixed sometime by kde, but there's no exact time for it
[20:13] <CPrgmSwR2> its already fixed
[20:13] <stdin> so I'd have to build it from svn, test it, reppackage it then re-upload it
[20:13] <CPrgmSwR2> its just not in the builds that you made
[20:13] <stdin> I know, I built what kde released :p
[20:13] <CPrgmSwR2> ah okay
[20:14] <stdin> I'd also have to get some sort of system going where I can test the builds and upload if they're ok
[20:15] <stdin> and my bandwidth will definitely suffer if i decide to do that
[20:15] <CPrgmSwR2> oh okay
[20:16] <stdin> it's also dependant on the state of the PPAs, there's not guarantee the quota won't come into force soon
[20:16] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: then how will kde4 get built in the future
[20:16] <stdin> same way the betas were, the'll be uploaded to the ubuntu archive
[20:17] <stdin> by Riddell most likely
[20:17] <CPrgmSwR2> okay
[20:17] <stdin> (he has more package-foo than me)
[20:17] <CPrgmSwR2> I will just wait another 2 weeks then
[20:18] <stdin> if you're really interested in seeing the current state of KDE4 then SVN is always the best way to go
[20:18] <stdin> the source changes so much by the time I packaged it and released it, it'd be out-of-date
[20:19] <CPrgmSwR2> yeah thats true
[20:19] <stdin> CPrgmSwR2: there'll also be some Kubuntu+KDE4 LiveCDs available, like the one for RC1 now
[20:22] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: okay thnx
[20:22]  * bobesponja is away: Gone away for now.
[20:41] <mhb> like I said before - http://www.alweb.dk/gallery/engelsk/oxygen_menu - is a good benchmark on how KDE4.0 will be ready
[20:42] <mhb> the oxygen menu is really strange, and the theme wont be ready even for 4.0 release
[20:43] <Riddell> the theme is totally unready
[20:43] <Riddell> oxygen icons are one of the best parts of KDE 4
[20:43] <mhb> icons are nice, true ... but I fear "not-ready" parts of KDE 4.0 will be spread throughout the system
[20:44] <mhb> is the plasma panel movable yet?
[20:44] <Riddell> not sure, waiting for the new snapshot to package
[20:44] <Riddell> the release will probably be delayed until january anyway
[20:45] <mhb> oh will it?
[20:45] <mhb> I havent heard the news yet
[20:45] <Riddell> that's the vibe from release-team
[20:47] <mhb> hmm
[20:49] <mhb> someone slap me, I am slowly starting to stop being delusional about the great, slow moving cathedral being KDE
[20:50] <Tm_T> =)
[20:50] <Tm_T> mhb: I had something fun in my KDE4
[20:51] <Tm_T> mhb: almost like it was software accelerated
[20:51] <nixternal> Riddell: shh, you weren't supposed to talk about pushing it back another month :p
[20:51] <nixternal> mhb: no jumping ship to foresight here....I am Kubuntu blue through and through :)
[20:51] <buz> a delay sounds like a sensible thing
[20:51] <Tm_T> meh
[20:52] <buz> its only approaching beta quality about now in my book
[20:52] <nixternal> buz: I tend to agree
[20:52] <Tm_T> depends on parts
[20:52] <nixternal> Konqueror is probably the buggiest thing I have seen yet, and less than a month isn't going to be enough time to work out all of its kinks
[20:52] <Tm_T> Konsole has some weird painting issues
[20:53] <Tm_T> or is it Oxygen style, who knows
[20:53] <nixternal> Tm_T: forgot about that....plus if I can't make konsole transparent, then it isn't ready in my book :)
[20:53] <ScottK> nixternal: Then you must not use Adept.
[20:53] <nixternal> ya, the oxygen style isn't my favorite :)
[20:53] <nixternal> ScottK: I only use adept_updater
[20:53] <buz> and i sure cant get compositing to work
[20:53] <ScottK> Well there you go.
[20:54] <nixternal> I have a dpkg -l > foo that I use to install all of the apps I use when I create a new system
[20:54] <mhb> has anyone tested KDE4 when it comes to speed?
[20:54] <mhb> I mean doing a non-debug build and then compare startup times, etc.
[20:55] <nixternal> mhb: slow, but not deadly slow...i run it on a celern m 1.6 with 1.5gb of ram
[20:55] <buz> mhb: some things seemed pretty quick, others pretty slow
[20:55] <nixternal> not the fastest machine, but unlike compiz, all of the composite stuff actually works on this intel chipset
[20:55] <onairlogger> intel++
[20:55] <mhb> nixternal: slow? aww.
[20:55] <buz> nixternal: what intel chipset do you have?
[20:55] <nixternal> 945? something like that
[20:55]  * onairlogger notes to do some speed testing
[20:55] <mhb> OTOH, my intel chipset doesnt work at all
[20:55] <buz> i can run compiz but not kwin_composite
[20:55] <buz> mhb: same here
[20:56] <buz> 965
[20:56] <nixternal> Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME,
[20:56] <nixternal> ya
[20:56] <buz> could you post your xorg somewhere?
[20:56] <buz> xorg.conf that is ;)
[20:56] <nixternal> me?
[20:56] <mhb> ntel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller
[20:56] <buz> yeah
[20:56] <nixternal> sure buz, one sec
[20:56] <buz> mhb: the 943 is some sort of castrated chip
[20:56] <nixternal> !pastebin
[20:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[20:57] <mhb> nixternal: was that to me?
[20:57] <buz> i think that was to himself ;)
[20:57] <nixternal> buz: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46150/
[20:57] <mhb> nixternal: I just posted one line :o( please do sentence me to life
[20:57] <buz> thanks
[20:57] <buz> will try it tomorrow
[20:57] <nixternal> mhb: no, I couldn't remember the pastebin url :)
[20:58] <onairlogger> -.-
[21:00] <mhb> why is every new piece of software so slow :o(
[21:00] <buz> nixternal: you're using another driver
[21:00] <buz> that one doesnt work with my 965
[21:00] <buz> :(
[21:01] <onairlogger> oh
[21:01] <onairlogger> I has a 965 as well I think
[21:01] <buz> got composite to work on that?
[21:02] <mhb> I solemnly swear the next piece of software I am going to develop, I am going to make sure the minimum requirements will stay fixed throughout the releases and that speed would either stay the same or increase
[21:02] <onairlogger> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46151/
[21:02] <mhb> also, I solemnly swear that I am up to no good.
[21:02] <onairlogger> buz: what's your issue?
[21:02] <jjesse> argh can't remember what is that line from mhb?
[21:02] <jjesse> harry potter right
[21:03] <buz> kwin_composite complains "No compositing"
[21:03] <buz> even though compiz works just fine
[21:03] <onairlogger> Oo
[21:03] <onairlogger> buz: packages or self compiled?
[21:04] <buz> stdin's packages
[21:05] <onairlogger> is compositing actually enabled in these pacakges?
[21:05] <stdin> it is, I got it working
[21:05] <onairlogger> hm
[21:05] <stdin> < intel 945
[21:06] <stdin> relevant section of ~/.kde4/share/config/kwinrc > http://stdin.pastebin.com/m65a121d1
[21:06] <buz> Xrender is painfully slow
[21:06] <buz> and doesnt seem to work, anyhow
[21:06] <stdin> not slow for me
[21:07] <onairlogger> +1
[21:08] <jjesse> +1 for which comment?
[21:09] <onairlogger> the not slowy one :)
[21:09] <buz_kde4> could paste the url again? i cant copy paste between sessions :)
[21:09] <stdin> in fact, it's fast enough for me to use on the liveCD, so it more than enough from a real session
[21:10] <stdin> http://stdin.pastebin.com/m65a121d1
[21:10] <buz_kde4> thx
[21:10] <stdin> you can access the kwin composite settings by running "kcmshell4 kwincompositing" too
[21:11] <buz_kde4> mhh doesnt seem to very much
[21:11] <buz_kde4> dim inactive windows doesnt do anything at all
[21:11] <buz_kde4> can also click in the window title bar
[21:11] <buz_kde4> no shadows anywhere, either
[21:11] <stdin> try tweaking the settings with the command I gave
[21:12] <buz_kde4> mhh it works with alt tab
[21:12] <buz_kde4> thats weird
[21:13] <buz_kde4> yeah thats the same as you get with right click title bar -> configure window behavior -> desktop effects
[21:13] <stdin> did you restart kwin after pasting the section in kwinrc?
[21:13] <buz_kde4> yes
[21:14] <buz_kde4> some effects appear
[21:14] <buz_kde4> like dimming with alt-tab
[21:14] <stdin> well, then composite is working
[21:15] <buz_kde4> but dim inactive windows for example is not
[21:15] <buz_kde4> and it creates no end of graphic errors
[21:15] <buz_kde4> like broken menu
[21:16] <buz_kde4> or disappearing windows
[21:16] <buz_kde4> which then reappear later
[21:17] <onairlogger> buz_kde4: bug report
[21:17] <buz_kde4> hard to describe
[21:17] <buz_kde4> i might try doing a video
[21:18] <onairlogger> well, you can first bug lubos on irc
[21:18] <onairlogger> whatever his nick might be -.-
[21:18] <buz_kde4> looks like the disappearing stuff is related to the fall apart plugin
[21:18] <buz_kde4> without that, it doesnt seem to happen
[21:19] <buz_kde4> mhh the thumbnail at side of screen is neat
[21:25] <ryanakca> stdin: you a member yet?
[21:25] <jjesse> i thought we voted him in :)
[21:25] <stdin> not yet :(
[21:28] <ryanakca> stdin: pitty... bug them all :)
[21:29] <stdin> I could, but there's a meeting on saturday anyway
[21:29] <stdin> few days won't kill me, hopefully :p
[21:36] <kwwii> hrm, a meeting on saturday?
[21:37] <jpatrick> yep
[21:37] <kwwii> guess I missed an email somewhere then
[21:38] <stdin> kwwii: it was only decided today
[21:38] <stdin> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1245
[21:39] <kwwii> cool, thanks for that link
[21:43] <kwwii> which reminds me, we are having an art team meeting if someone other than myself would like to represent kubuntu
[21:43] <kwwii> mhb, would you be interested in this?
[21:44] <Riddell> I don't think hobbsee has sent an e-mail
[21:45] <Riddell> kwwii: do you think we could search through the entries in the oxygen wallpaper contest for something to use in hardy?
[21:46] <kwwii> Riddell: I don't see why not
[21:46] <Riddell> kwwii: do you know where we can find them?
[21:46] <kwwii> Riddell: I was just looking on my disk to find them
[21:47] <kwwii> it appears that I erased them already, I'll ask ruphy for them
[21:49] <kwwii> Riddell: he is asleep for today...I'll find out in the morning
[21:52] <Riddell> cool
[21:53] <mhb> kwwii: when?
[21:53] <kwwii> mhb: sat night at 20:00 CET
[21:53] <mhb> okay, will be there
[21:53] <mhb> kwwii: thanks for notifying me!
[21:53] <Riddell> thanks mhb
[21:54] <kwwii> mhb: no problem, good to hear that you can come
[22:54] <jpatrick> Riddell: bug 128863 awaiting upload (test pkgs in my ppa) - buz isn't around tho...
[22:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128863 in kdebase "[WISH] Merge patch for LUKS support from SuSE" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128863
[23:04] <jpatrick> and, I'm off, see you all tomorrow!
[23:30] <LaserJock> hola
[23:30] <LaserJock> I'm wondering what you guys have been doing with bugs filed against KDE3 packages that are gonna be fixed in KDE4?
[23:33] <crimsun> mass-reassign to laserjock, derh.
[23:34] <LaserJock> crimsun: haha, just what I need
[23:35] <LaserJock> I was thinking of making it "Won't Fix" with a nice link to the upstream bug report and explaination that it's going to be done in KDE4