[02:29] <ctjctj> How do I install one apt from hardy into gutsy?
[02:31] <hydrogen> undoable
[02:31] <hydrogen> probablyh
[02:58] <DanaG> Odd: I've never had apport offer to file reports on app crashes, either during Gutsy beta, after Gutsy release, or even now during Hardy pre-alpha.
[02:59] <IdleOne> DanaG: neither have I
[03:00] <IdleOne> that is what apprt is supposed to do right
[03:00] <Hobbsee> they need to turn it on for alpha 1
[03:00] <DanaG> I've only had it work in Gutsy fresh installs.
[03:01] <DanaG> But I've done so much on this system that I don't want to have to remember everything I've installed and customized.
[04:43] <davidrawson> hello
[04:53] <DanaG> WTF?  I just hotplugged my sound card and had the login sound play.
[04:53] <DanaG> WTF?
[04:54] <davidrawson> why
[04:55] <davidrawson> is that bad?
[04:55] <DanaG> For a moment it made me think I had somehow logged out and then in again.
[04:55] <DanaG> It should use a shorter sound.
[04:56] <davidrawson> I'm running programs on wine
[04:57] <davidrawson> it works except for sound
[04:57] <DanaG> Try setting Wine to use esound, if you're using PulseAudio.
[04:57] <DanaG> And install the esd-compat thingy.
[04:57] <davidrawson> nvm, the entire system has no sound now
[04:58] <davidrawson> there's something wrong with kubuntu
[04:58] <davidrawson> which one's better, kubuntu or ubuntu?
[04:59] <DanaG> They're essentially the same distro with a different desktop environment.
[04:59] <DanaG> It comes down to personal preference between KDE and Gnome.
[05:00] <davidrawson> Is it just the style of the desktop then?
[05:00] <DanaG> You can install ubuntu-desktop on kubuntu, and vice versa, if you want to try both desktop environments.
[05:00] <DanaG> KDE and Gnome also have some differences in philosophy, I believe.
[05:01] <davidrawson> How can I format to ntfs?
[05:01] <DanaG> Gparted can do it, I believe.
[05:01] <DanaG> Formatting is one of those things to make sure you're sure you want to do, before you do it.
[05:01] <davidrawson> not QTparted
[05:02] <davidrawson> I can't find Gparted
[05:02] <DanaG> It's a package that might not be installed by default.
[05:06] <davidrawson> NTFS doesn't work, im just going to use ext3 on my external hard disk....
[05:06] <DanaG> It's easier to write to, for sure.
[05:06] <davidrawson> It is?
[05:06] <DanaG> With NTFS, you have to be sure to cleanly unmount, or you must chkdsk.
[05:06] <DanaG> And to do that, you have to reboot to Windows.
[05:07] <davidrawson> Mine doesn't do that.....
[05:07] <davidrawson> My computer's vista though
[05:08] <DanaG> I mean for writing NTFS in Linux.
[05:08] <davidrawson> you could also force it to mount
[05:09] <davidrawson> mount "dev/sdb1" "media/sdb1" -o force
[05:09] <DanaG> Naah, that can cause some file loss of newly written files, I believe.
[05:09] <davidrawson> but ext3 cant be read by windows
[05:10] <DanaG> It can if you use http://fs-driver.org
[05:10] <DanaG> but the control panel doesn't work under Vista.  You'd have to re-run the installer to change drive letters.
[05:10] <DanaG> NTFS is still better if you intend to use the drive with other computers, and if you intend to unmount it safely most of the time.
[05:11] <davidrawson> Nah, I always shut down windows the bad way....it shuts down too slowly
[05:13] <DanaG> Well, you can do "safely remove" in Windows, and "Unmount Volume" in Linux.
[05:14] <DanaG> Oh, and don't use NTFS compression -- it renders NTFS (even 3g) not writeable on files that have been created in Windows with compression on.
[05:16] <davidrawson> I think it's cool that you can use command line to mount disk images
[05:19] <DanaG> You can even make an ntfs file system on a non-block device.
[05:19] <DanaG> Same with any other file system.
[05:26] <davidrawson> what do you mean by that?
[05:29] <DanaG> You can create an empty file with a specific size, then make it into a file system, and then loop mount it.
[05:29] <DanaG> It's one way of testing filesystem drivers, for example.
[05:30] <davidrawson> oh, like making an image file
[05:31] <davidrawson> could you use it as an image?
[05:33] <davidrawson> how do you make an empty file?
[05:34] <davidrawson> using the terminal
[05:34] <DanaG> dd if=/dev/zero of=filename bs=1M count=X      where X is number of megabytes.  Or use bs (blocksize) = larger and count = smaller.
[05:36] <davidrawson> linux uses the full power of the PC i guess
[05:37] <davidrawson> it has built in support for image files
[05:38] <DanaG> Well, since many devices can be accessed as files, you can do interesting things.
[05:38] <DanaG> For example, try doing cat filename > /dev/dsp
[05:38] <DanaG> where filename is any random thing you feel like trying.
[05:38] <DanaG> Turn down volume first, though.
[05:39] <davidrawson> my sound doesn't work
[05:39] <davidrawson> what does that do?
[05:39] <davidrawson> make noises that's in the file?
[05:39] <DanaG> Makes random (sometimes horrid) noises, depending on the type and content of the file.
[05:40] <davidrawson> what if we used a wave file?
[05:40] <DanaG> Hopefully it'd play properly.
[05:40] <DanaG> Every file system sounds different, so you can sudo cat /dev/sda1 > /dev/dsp
[05:40] <davidrawson> what's the most raw sound file, without any compression?
[05:41] <DanaG> Note that the sudo is on cat, which only reads from the device.
[05:41] <DanaG> Be wary of anything telling you to do a command that writes to a file on a partition.
[05:41] <davidrawson> what can you do with the display?
[05:41] <davidrawson> have you heard of rockbox?
[05:41] <DanaG> That's harder -- you have to have framebuffer enabled, and you have to be on a console.
[05:42] <hydrogen> its also stretching the topic of this channel!
[05:43] <davidrawson> Into TAFFY!
[05:46] <davidrawson> is solaris a linux distro?
[05:47] <Tm_T> no
[05:47] <davidrawson> linux is better?
[05:47] <Tm_T> depends
[05:47] <Hobbsee> ...i think you want ##linux
[05:47] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: bah, was just about to say that
[05:48]  * DanaG changes mode from 'off-topic' to 'lurk'.
[05:53] <davidrawson> I also like how if the drive is preventing you from copying files to it, you can force it to using the terminal
[05:53] <DanaG> One reeeeally nice thing that I severely miss when in windows: dmesg.
[05:54] <davidrawson> dmesg?
[05:54] <davidrawson> what's that?
[05:54] <davidrawson> i wonder if myspace IM works in linux (not that I use it anymore)
[05:55] <DanaG> Sometimes in Windows, I'll have a driver mysteriously break, but in Linux, you can often find out at least partly why.
[05:55] <davidrawson> linux usually fixes it
[05:55] <davidrawson> for me
[05:56] <davidrawson> what's dmesg?
[05:57] <Hobbsee> again, that's  a #ubuntu question, or a ##linux one
[05:58] <DanaG> Here's why I like using +1: I find it oddly fun fixing things when they break.
[05:59] <FunnyLookinHat> DanaG, join the club   : )
[05:59] <davidrawson> linux doesn't seem to slow down while copying files....
[05:59] <DanaG> I joined the club back in Edgy, actually.
[05:59] <FunnyLookinHat> Hahaha
[06:00] <FunnyLookinHat> I've been there a while too..  sadly because I used to have poor distros to use
[06:00] <hydrogen> I've graduated from that club
[06:00] <FunnyLookinHat> LoL
[06:00] <hydrogen> now I just want my os to work
[06:00] <hydrogen> theres plenty of other things I can spend my time breaking and fixing
[06:00] <pwnguin> i just use ubuntu+1 because if i dont things dont work when release rolls around =(
[06:01] <FunnyLookinHat> true that, if I had more time to bug report and troubleshoot (stupid school takes up all my time) then I'd do it too
[06:02] <DanaG> I'm also not afraid to do things such as hacking at my DSDT (to fix brightness control).
[06:04] <DanaG> One thing I don't do so well at is coming up with creative hostnames.
[06:05] <DanaG> For a while, my laptop (Gateway M685) had the really lame hostname of:  "m685".
[06:05] <DanaG> Finally a friend suggested I change it to GLaDOS, so I did.
[06:06] <hydrogen> hydrogen@Yes
[06:06] <hydrogen> mines better :)
[06:07] <DanaG> http://trac.phidev.info/trac/wiki/AptZeroconf
[06:07] <DanaG> cool idea.
[06:08] <davidrawson> i'm not using pure-ftpd without the gui :/
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[12:37]  * Hobbsee wonders if anyone has found a solution to totem video playing yet
[13:43] <MartinW> How many megabytes of updates per day for hardy?
[13:43] <Hobbsee> lots
[13:59] <mrsno> mm i love how gb.archive.ubuntu.com peaks out my 20meg connection
[14:00] <mrsno> makes updating so quick
[14:26] <mrsno> wee just killed my hardy virtual machine, gdm frozen
[14:30] <Hobbsee> hah
[14:31] <Hobbsee> that sounds like my normal hardy
[14:31] <mrsno> i was about to say yay for snapshots :) but now virtualbox has keeled over
[14:32] <mrsno> hmm  VERR_SSM_LOAD_CPUID_MISMATCH
[23:12] <hashbrowncipher> does anyone here know why i would not have a /proc/slabinfo file?
[23:24] <crimsun> probably because we no longer use slab.
[23:24] <crimsun> i.e.,
[23:24] <crimsun> CONFIG_SLUB=y
[23:24] <crimsun> CONFIG_SLUB_DEBUG=y
[23:25] <crimsun> and, of course,
[23:25] <crimsun> # CONFIG_SLAB is not set
[23:25] <hashbrowncipher> what replaces it?
[23:26] <crdlb> s/A/U/
[23:27] <hashbrowncipher> as in, where can i get similar diagnostic info
[23:29] <crimsun> /sys/slab/*
[23:31] <hashbrowncipher> crimsun: thanks for the help
[23:31] <crimsun> np.