[00:00] but the patch I did was not dpatch [00:01] Now I have to figure out where to change the postinst and prerm files that are created with debhelper [00:01] txwikinger: for that, you'd better do some reading... [00:02] Already found it :D [00:02] grep is always my friend :) [00:02] :-) [00:03] google's mine [00:03] well that is grep's buddy [00:06] okay, i know i'm doing something stupid or forgetting something dumb [00:06] but dpkg-buildpackage says my scret key is not available [00:06] why is that? [00:06] debsign, actually, is what is puking [00:07] did you provide the keyid? [00:07] yup [00:07] 181 debuild -rfakeroot -kD8C7693C [00:07] duh [00:07] i just imported my key on this box [00:07] and didn't assign trust to it [00:08] :) [00:09] i are moron. :-/ [00:09] oh wait, still puked for some reason [00:09] hm [00:11] derrrrrr...... [00:11] helps if i import the secret key as well as the private key, huh? [00:11] :-/ [00:20] Goodnight all! [00:20] Night mok0: [00:20] THanks for your help [00:20] txwikinger: good I could help! [00:25] bah, anybody know how to get a USB disk working on sarge with a 2.4 kernel? [00:26] Just plug it in? [00:26] heh [00:26] no such luck so far [00:27] LaserRock: Ponies! [00:29] I have a Sarge derived desktop here still and USB works on it just fine, but it has a 2.6 kernel. [00:31] ScottK: well udev only works with 2.6 kernels... [00:31] LaserRock: time to whip out your mount commands :) [00:32] jdong: well yeah, that's what I tried [00:32] sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt -t vfat -o umask=000? [00:33] err without the sudo thingie ;-) [00:33] I use sudo [00:33] it's habit now [00:33] it's a great habit [00:33] mount: /dev/sda is not a valid block device [00:34] checked dmesg for the right block dev? [00:34] I just keep getting that for various /dev/sd* [00:34] well, dmesg doesn't say much [00:34] dmesg should show the usb mass storage device being probed [00:34] I'm guessing this might not be a good sign: usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0xd49/0x3210) is not claimed by any active driver. [00:34] LaserRock: modprobe usb-storage? [00:35] yay for lack of hotplug... [00:35] haha [00:35] there we go [00:35] *cough* apt-get install linux-2.6 [00:36] can't [00:36] nice proprietary drivers that only work with 2.4 kernel [00:36] lovely :) [00:36] yes [00:37] one of the joys of working in my field [00:37] you pay $500 bucks for the board and get screwed if you want a free or Free driver [00:38] yay [00:38] we paid $1k for the software, Windows of course [00:41] aha, that darn thing must've been using USB1 [00:41] LaserRock: modprobe ehci_hcd? :) [00:42] LaserRock: maybe it's usb_ehci in 2.4 [00:42] well, the ancient computer with USB1 but running Gutsy or the new Dell with USB2 running sarge with a 2.4 kernel [00:42] It's just ehci [00:42] jdong: nah, the new one works I think ok [00:42] it's the other computer I was trying before [00:42] that was only USB1 [00:42] LaserRock: My partner works in materials science. *They* pay for their software. I really don't know why. It looks like I could knock up something that works better in a month or so. [00:46] RAOF: well, this stuff is really quite interesting, not something I could knock up in a month [00:46] although we don't need a 10th of it [00:46] you just buy everything hoping that what you need is somewhere in there :-) [00:46] LaserRock: ponies! [00:48] Hobbsee! [00:48] * Fujitsu wonders if we can get Kmos to destroy that quit message. [00:49] heh [00:49] hey ajmitch! [00:49] Fujitsu: he didn't say anything about that software actually working. [00:49] Hobbsee: That's true. [00:50] LaserRock: talk to the linux driver people [00:53] Fujitsu: There's another (similarly phrased) solution to that problem. [00:53] * Hobbsee grins [00:53] Burgundavia: what linux driver people? [00:53] yes but that's...illegal in most countries [00:54] LaserRock: The group of kernel developers who were asking for devices to write drivers for. [00:54] Fujitsu: for what? [00:54] Hobbsee: No need to mention irrelevant trivialities [00:55] Fujitsu: What? There is such a group? [00:55] * Fujitsu finds a link. [00:56] LaserRock: http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome [00:56] That looks right. [00:56] Yay, Novell vs. SCO is unstayed. [00:56] they are actively looking for devices to support [00:57] Is that the thing GregKH is working on? [00:57] they are actively looking for specs for devices [00:57] yes [00:58] Can someone walk me through updating someone else's package? [00:59] LaserRock: I would expect if they cannot get specs, they might want access to a machine with the device plugged in [00:59] LaserRock: I would also personally email/mail the company as well get the Uni to make an official request for specs [01:00] Burgundavia: Having being involved in driver development, just having access to the device isn't enough [01:00] Burgundavia: well, open drivers mostly exist already [01:01] Burgundavia: they just don't do what I want [01:01] * StevenK pokes firefox. Start! [01:01] to either use a 2.6 kernel or the open drivers I have to redesign my data aquisition program [01:04] ah well, supposedly I'm gonna get out of here soonish [01:04] When they unlock the doors? [01:04] LaserRock: if the drive is not the in vanilla kernel, they can help with that too [01:04] when I get my butt into gear [01:05] then you'll be in the real world & earning big money? [01:05] Burgundavia: this is for rarely used scientific hardware, I sort of doubt anybody wants to work on that much [01:05] ajmitch: more like completely broke and unemployed [01:05] ajmitch: No, then he'll have time to release the Ponies. [01:05] LaserRock: they want all drivers [01:05] LaserRoc can be our unofficial MOTU sponsor [01:05] But no internet connection to post them. [01:05] Being completely broke and unemployed [01:06] LaserRock: http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/ols_2006_keynote.html [01:07] StevenK: sadly perhaps [01:07] I really hope I can get a decent job [01:07] He can post them from the library. [01:07] Or hit up his grandpa [01:08] ScottK: i don't know if they allow that kind of stuff in the Library ;-) [01:08] StevenK: more likely ;-) [01:08] LaserRock: I think there's been a thread on Piled Higher and Deeper recently. [01:08] ScottK: yes yes, been reading that [01:08] story of my life [01:09] http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=937 for the rest of you. [01:09] That or the current one. [01:09] ;-) [01:10] yep, I read that this morning and thought to myself, "so true" [01:10] So, Firefox! Why did you not start when I asked you, but you start when I click on the link ScottK pasted. [01:10] StevenK: cause it hates you [01:11] StevenK: Because it wants you to use Epiphany. [01:11] ewww ;-) [01:11] * StevenK takes a pony and beats LaserRock with it. [01:12] dude ... I'm a rock [01:12] * StevenK beats you with paper [01:12] with a freakin' laser beam attached [01:12] ;-) [01:13] * LaserRock atomizes StevenK's paper into a puff of smoke [01:14] * StevenK "accidently" dumps some HCl on LaserRock [01:15] StevenK, What concentration? [01:15] Damn, I could never remember that bit. [01:15] * somerville32 dumps HClO4 on StevenK [01:16] Don't recognise that one [01:17] It's been nine years since I did any chemistry, though [01:17] it's been about the same for me ;-) [01:17] HClO4 is Perchloric acid [01:18] I'm sure I have some HF around here somewhere [01:19] Hydrofluoric acid? === persia changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Hardy Heron is in active development. | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | Go Merging! http://dad.dunnewind.net/universe.php | http://www.ubuntuwire.com is back [01:19] Heya persia :) [01:19] somerville32: Hi [01:20] persia, How goes you? [01:20] somerville32: Network and equipment annoyances, but otherwise reasonably [01:20] Okay. I want to take mugshot_1.1.56-1.diff.gz, mugshot_1.1.56-1_i386.changes, mugshot_1.1.56-1.dsc, mugshot_1.1.56.orig.tar.gz and build a proper package. Can someone help me with this? [01:20] :) [01:20] oh, persia, hi :) [01:21] Rotund: That looks like you have a proper package. Do you perhaps want to build it? [01:22] persia: yes, I'd like to build it and hopefully update it from this (from debian) to Ubuntu such that it could be uploaded to universe potentially [01:22] persia, Do you know which of the zim bugs are fixed in 0.23 or do I have to go manually check? [01:23] persia, still ok to continue (or finish?) the review of prism ? btw, no one else stepped up [01:23] Rotund: Anything in Debian should be automatically uploaded to universe by 14th December. In Ubuntu we upload source, so that is the correct form for an upload. For building, debuild, pbuilder, and sbuild will give you binaries. If you want to update you probably want dpkg-source -x foo.dsc to unpack. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing for discussion of process and links to a list of Documentation [01:24] somerville32: I'd guess most of them, but have no firm ideas. You'll need to check. [01:24] Ubulette: I don't have the resources for proper review right now (network issues). I'll look again when I have time and resources. [01:24] ok [01:31] anyone else to double check Prism ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=prism (described here https://edge.launchpad.net/prism/ or http://labs.mozilla.com/2007/10/prism/) [01:37] Heya gang [01:38] bddebian, :) [01:38] Hi somerville32 [01:40] How would I create a local repository? [01:40] ol [01:40] I want to build zim the new version of libfile-basedir-perl isn't published yet [01:40] There used to be a wiki page on it [01:42] somerville32: use ppa? [01:42] Hobbsee, I still have to wait for it to build [01:43] this is true [01:43] Oh wait [01:43] It says published. [01:44] I must need to update my tarball [01:45] somerville32: They are only published to the public after around :42 of the hour. [01:45] :45 atm? [01:46] That's true, so it should be there. [01:56] hey [01:58] Hi zul. [02:01] Guh, it isn't working :/ [02:01] -> Considering build-dep libfile-basedir-perl (>= 0.03) [02:01] Tried versions: 0.02-1 [02:03] Did you update your pbuilder? [02:03] somerville32: The source has published, but the binaries are largely yet to build, let alone be published. [02:03] Hmm. [02:03] Actually, what... [02:04] Ubulette: I've had a brief look at prism. One of the changelog entries mentions that you install something because it requires xulrunner 1.9 beta 1. That's in the archives - is there any reason why you don't just have stricter versioned dependencies? [02:04] It says published :/ [02:04] somerville32: Are you looking at the source? [02:04] Probably [02:05] Gaah, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+package/libfile-basedir-perl is rather misleading. [02:05] oh [02:05] i386 is built [02:05] But probably not published yet [02:05] 64 isn't though, and I'm building on 64bit [02:05] somerville32: It's arch: all, so is the only one. It will be published in 40 minutes. [02:07] And probably hit the mirror in about 70 [02:07] Er, s/the mirror/archive.u.c/ [02:07] It was built an hour ago though [02:08] StevenK: Is a.u.c really that far out of sync with drescher? [02:08] Fujitsu: a.u.c is pushed to during the publisher run, and the publisher takes a while to run [02:08] StevenK: Publisher starts at :03, and finishes around :42, doesn't it? [02:09] RAOF: i expected to have prism in hardy sooner than xul 1.9b1 (in which i've changed the path for plugins and addons), I've got xul (and firefox 3) sponsored first, a few hours ago, so I can now update prism with the final path for its addon (or update prism later, it doesn't matter much) [02:09] Fujitsu: Roughly [02:09] StevenK: So your 70 minute figure seems quite arbitrary. [02:09] Shush [02:09] * Fujitsu shushes. [02:10] I see what you're doing now -- evidently my addition skills need polishing [02:10] ? [02:10] RAOF, you mentioned changelogs, persia made me empty them. are you sure you're watching the last update in revu ? [02:10] Fujitsu: Never mind me [02:11] StevenK: How did you obtain 70? [02:11] * persia never makes anyone do things, just offers suggestions [02:11] Fujitsu: I took your 40 and added 30, so yes, arbitrary. [02:11] StevenK: Ahh. [02:11] StevenK: I should have clarified my use of `published' there, sorry. [02:12] Ubulette: I may have missed the last upload. [02:13] Ubulette: Also, I'm not sure that clearing those changelog entries is the right thing to do (since those packages have been published somewhere public), although I would probably change the format somewhat. [02:15] I notice you still don't close a needs-packaging bug in the changelog, though :). [02:16] RAOF, i was for keeping them, persia kind of convinced me to drop them [02:16] Where was it published before? [02:16] ScottK: In a PPA. [02:16] How public? How many users? Was the previous place supported? [02:16] RAOF, oh, forgot to open a bug on lp. I'll do that tomorrow (it's 3am here) [02:17] RAOF: I'd say that doesn't count then and it's appropriate to start fresh, but that's just me. [02:17] I'd rather follow the Debian model, where first upload is first upload (as with the case where Ubuntu changelogs are dropped when a package is included in Debian) [02:17] * ScottK too [02:17] Fair enough. [02:18] * RAOF squirrels that away. [02:18] * persia notes, for the record, that Debian mentors currently suggests multiple changelogs during the sponsoring process, but that this is not the normal case for Debian uploads. [02:18] Yeah, I found that stupid but what do I know [02:19] persia: who are you referring to when you say "Debian mentors"? [02:19] it's certainly helpful to use distinguishing version numbers when exchanging packages with a sponsor, unless you've got a nice VCS between you [02:20] * ScottK envisions slangasek magically transforming himself into the superhero vorlon and vanquishing evil on the continent of OFTC. [02:20] slangasek: That's an interesting question :) My data comes from the contents of mentors.debian.net and a number of posts I've seen in response to package candidates that ask for changelog updates when uploading a new revision to mentors.d.n [02:20] * persia advocates REVU for Debian [02:21] I talked to pabs about that [02:21] persia: right; mentors.debian.net involves exchanging packages publically, so it's useful to be able to number them distinctly :) [02:21] I can't see Debian doing that, but again what do I know? :-) [02:21] slangasek: Maybe. On the other hand, from working in the sponsors queue, I frequently get a bunch of different candidates for the same upload revision, and as long as I can differentiate them locally, it's not an issue. [02:21] Well that's one of the features REVU has that mentors is currently missing. [02:22] slangasek: Sure, but REVU exchanges packages publically, with the same revision, and changing dates. It's unsupported, but if it ever gets uploaded, the packaging tools will auto-upgrade to the released version, even for users who grabbed the early version. [02:23] Anyway, this discussion has already happened lots of times on OFTC and in threads on l.d.o, so it's not worth rehashing now :) [02:24] * ScottK has never experienced that on mentors. Just fix this, fixed, dget the new .dsc and done. [02:25] Easier with the VCS in common, but not really an issue either way. [02:25] I don't think I've ever had a "fix this" on mentors [02:25] * bddebian decides not to comment [02:25] although i think I may have only tried one package on mentors back in the day [02:25] so that's not much of a stat to go by ;-) [02:26] I just sent a RFS: and two days later it was uploaded [02:26] I could be wrong though, that was back in 2006 [02:26] * ScottK tried the whine on #debian-mentors approach. [02:26] * ScottK saw bddebian whining there too. [02:27] * bddebian hasn't had success with either [02:27] hehe [02:27] * RAOF has always used the "prod StevenK" approach. [02:27] I do think it goes much smoother if a package has passed REVU [02:27] Agreed. [02:28] normally you might just need a tweak or two to make sure it doesn't have any Ubuntuizations [02:29] bddebian: have you had a package just plain not get uploaded? [02:30] Nah, I've finally gotten most of them in except for adanaxisgpl and the updates to pybliographer and valknut [02:31] that's good at least [02:31] I just uploaded pybliographer and valknut to Hardy [02:32] hi folks! [02:32] imbrandon: are you around? [02:33] * LaserRock tries a way to stay here while taking a shower [02:33] *tries to find [02:33] er why? [02:33] I hate it when stupid tasks like eating, sleeping, etc. get in the way of my Ubuntu time [02:33] LaserRock: you need an acuatic n800 for that [02:33] :P [02:34] hmm, surely there is a gum for this [02:34] ;-) [02:38] RAOF, ok, fixed both, I've updated my bzr branch and re-pushed to REVU. [02:38] feel free to review that one. [02:52] LaserRock: ponies! you still here? [02:53] poor LaserRock [02:53] always getting hassled about ponies [02:54] and poor me, always getting hassled abou tmy uni work. [02:56] Hobbsee: poor me, always getting hassled about my uni work *and* ponies [02:57] Hobbsee: yeah, you know what pony you're gettin ;-) [02:57] LaserRock: the one about bugging the hell out of you? [02:57] LaserRock: or having a go at people? [03:01] Hobbsee: no, http://sc.tri-bit.com/No,_You_Can't_Have_a_Pony (for lack of a better URL) [03:02] Is there a reason a Mugshot package would be rejected? [03:03] I mean just generally. Something about lack of freedom for the server or some such. [03:03] Rotund, the reason me or jdub neither put the packages in the archive is mugshot updates far too often [03:03] to be usefull in the archive [03:03] imbrandon, I think it has slowed down quite a bit === asdfasdf is now known as ^4nDr3s [03:04] Rotund: possibly, i havent looked in a few months === ^4nDr3s is now known as RoAkSoAx [03:05] imbrandon, 20 of June, 28 of June (bug fix) and 14 of Oct. [03:05] imbrandon, That's the last 3 releases. They were much closer before than [03:06] s/than/then/ [03:06] it might be worth a re-look, i'm a tad worried though that 3 years worth of security on it might be a pita [03:06] imbrandon, I think I'll at least set up a PPA for it. I'm I think DLove has slowed way down. Security? [03:07] Rotund: hardy will require security updates for 3 years [03:07] imbrandon, I mean DLove hasn't kept up w/ new releases (no Gutsy yet for instance) [03:07] Rotund: its already packaged by jdub and updated by me but its not in the archive [03:07] Dlove? [03:08] imbrandon, I don't think jdub has updated it in a while [03:08] yea i did the last updates ( as i just said ) [03:08] anyhow yea its worth a re-look [03:09] imbrandon, David Love is the place pointed to on the mugshot download page [03:09] http://developer.mugshot.org/wiki/Downloads [03:09] imbrandon, you up to 1.1.56? [03:09] no [03:09] but it would be much easier to update an existing package than re-package it [03:09] imbrandon, ahhh. Okay. I just built such a beast. [03:10] imbrandon, I took the one from Heikki Henriksen (debian) [03:10] updated that one [03:10] cool, if you already have it done rockin, was it based on jdubs packages ? [03:10] ahh ok [03:10] now to figure out how to set up a ppa =) [03:10] stick it on REVU/PPA then and point me to it [03:10] and i'll revu / possibly sponsor it [03:11] okay. Super. I want to double-check a couple things first. Is there a wiki page on how to upload it? [03:11] revu would be the best [03:11] Or did you mean REVU or a PPA [03:11] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com [03:12] you mentioned Heikki Henriksen packages, its not in debian is it? [03:13] I don't think so [03:13] I think it's just on his personal page. That's where mugshot points you to at least [03:14] http://svn.debian.org/~heikkih-guest/mugshot/ [03:14] not in unstable even [03:14] Rotund: right but there is probably a itp for it [03:14] * imbrandon looks [03:14] itp? [03:15] intent to package, e.g he intends to upload those [03:15] are there changes from those or just rebuilt ? [03:15] Some changes. Renaming the iceweasel stuff to say firefox mostly [03:15] ahh ok [03:15] yeah. [03:16] what is the dpkg gui tool (gtk) called [03:16] yea , upload it to REVU please, and it is based on mugshot_1.1.56-1 from HH ? [03:22] speaking of, heh thats the first use of mod userdir on alioth [03:27] hmm? [03:27] It'll take me a second to get my ducks in a row (first contribution) [03:28] Rotund: no problems i'll be here a few hours, if you get stuck just poke me [03:28] * StevenK pokes imbrandon [03:28] might be afk for a few here and there but i'll be generaly arround next ~6 hours [03:28] I'm stuck, fix *my* problem. :-P [03:28] heya StevenK :) [03:29] StevenK: heh i probably cant if you cant :) [03:29] StevenK: heya btw, i dident know ~/public_html was "allowed" on alioth ? [03:29] Like I've used alioth [03:29] hehe [03:29] ok [03:30] * StevenK picks up his shovel and goes back to digging through ./configure === zakame_ is now known as zakame [03:33] imbrandon, I think it's uploading right now [03:36] * StevenK uses his shovel to beat upstream about the head [03:36] could someone resync the uploaders keyring? [03:38] yea one sec [03:38] syncing now , it will take a few minutes [03:39] "Minutes" ? [03:39] Not running dinstall. Is that a problem? [03:39] Rotund: Nope, dinstall is a Debian-ism [03:39] imbrandon, I'm pretty sure it actually uploaded, just don't have an account on REVU =) [03:40] I think I might patch running dinstall out of dput, it hasn't been useful for *years* [03:40] Rotund: right, means it will be rejected, once the key syncs you can reupload ( after deleting *.upload localy ) [03:40] StevenK: yes, there are a few of those kinds of things that'd be nice [03:40] StevenK: hehe yea only takes ~15 minutes [03:41] LaserRock: Ponies! Ponies! Ponies! Ponies! Oh, and file bugs. [03:41] heya LaserRock [03:41] yeah, see that's why I'm not fixing dput ;-) [03:41] ugh now not only did my fast computer leave me running a p200, NOW my monitor decided to quit, /me goes back to a 15 inch [03:42] man payday cant come fast enough [03:42] imbrandon: Buy better hardware [03:42] yea really [03:43] imbrandon: What are you buying? === LaserRock is now known as LaserJock [03:44] StevenK: that *was* dell [03:46] imbrandon: And? Buy better hardware. :-) [03:46] imbrandon: If you don't buy comsumer-level Dell, you should be okay [03:46] heh yea i'll likely be getting high end HP or ..... something else [03:47] I think I'm gonna get a System76 for my church =) [03:47] system76 are nice but dont have the systems i'm interested in :) [03:47] I told them they're gonna use Linux. [03:47] what are you interested in? [03:48] either high end desktops ( not gaming high end ) or sub-notebooks [03:48] Afternoon folks. [03:48] heya TheMuso [03:48] boy that key thing takes a while, huh? [03:49] Rotund: basicly anything with more than 4GB of ram and over dual core 3ghz [03:49] yea it takes a bit, lots of keys to grab [03:49] running 64-bit? [03:49] its on "S" 's now , Sean Rains [03:49] shouldnmt be much longer [03:50] hmmm. Must it finish all them first? [03:50] yea i run 64bit vm's host OS is normaly 32bit + PAE though [03:50] Rotund: yea [03:50] which VM? [03:51] depends on the machine :) [03:51] vmware mostly [03:51] why? [03:51] I got a paid version of VMWare, but I'm looking at virtualbox [03:51] just interested... and waiting =) [03:51] i use most of the paid VMware products at work :) [03:51] The VM server my old employer got just before I left was nice. [03:52] ahhh. We talked about it, but then only did it on the servers. [03:52] Quad core 2.4GHz Xeon, 4GB RAM, SATA-II [03:52] StevenK: heh they just got some 32GB Ram quad core ( dual, dual core ) boxen here [03:52] very nice [03:52] Why not go right to the fibre hdds (forget the name) [03:52] + fiber connected SAN :) [03:53] That isn't quad core that's SMP dual core :-) [03:53] its 4 cores :) [03:53] On 2 chips [03:53] This was 4 cores on one chip :-) [03:53] oh i know, thus i made the distenction [03:54] I've been considering getting my wife a quad-core for video production (cinelerra) [03:54] Oh, what's the reason cinelerra is being blocked? [03:54] because it's authors are on crack [03:54] vid production is much more RAM/HDD blocked isnt it, vs the cpu [03:54] *its, I think [03:54] LaserJock, which? HeroineWarrior or the community guys? [03:55] Rotund: kinda both [03:55] but mostly Heroine [03:55] imbrandon, depends on the effects. [03:55] Perhaps, but it's the only decent one for Linux. [03:55]