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tgm4883_laptopoobe, was there something specific you were looking for?02:40
oobei have multiple tuners and i scheduled a recording using mythweb and it now appears twice in my recording schedule as if i am recording it on 2 tuners this has never happened before i tryed removing it and re adding it in mythfrontend but this did not help was wondering if anyone has ever encountered this before02:48
levanderAnybody got any idea why HOME and END are skipping commercials for me from recordings, but not from live TV?05:01
Dr_willisHmm.. you expect it to skip comercials in Live tv?05:03
Dr_willisit only records like 30 sec ahead in live tv i thought.. of coruse it dosent flag vomercials i thought untill the show was done.05:03
Dr_willisUnless thers some reallyt really neat feature that ive never noticed. :P05:04
levanderDr_willis: Oh, I had no idea.  I thought it was supposed to work...05:04
levanderDr_willis: Oh, but you know you can be behind for like 1/2 an hour.05:05
levanderDr_willis: Beind Live TV.05:05
Dr_willisRight. but i thin the flag comercials setting has to be enabled to  flag them on the fly like that.05:05
levanderDr_willis: I think I saw that setting.  It's just in the setup you get from mythtvfrontend, right?05:06
levanderIn TV Settings -> General, there's a "Commercial Flag New Recordings" button. Is that the button you're talking about?05:09
Dr_willisbut i think it does that after they are done recording. not the 'delayed' tv/pause thing05:11
levanderWell, that's definitely how my Myth box is working now...05:11
levanderIt probably is.05:12
levanderYou think there's another setting?05:12
levanderWhat you're saying is definitely how it used to work in 2004: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/98984?search_string=commercials;#9898405:14
levanderDunno if they've changed it.05:15
Dr_willisNo idea. I rarely watch live tv :)05:18
levanderThis is an interesting conecpt.  They're talking about "normalizing" audio.  So that there's no, this is really loud, that's too quiet.  So you keep having to turn things up and down.  Wish my Windows box had that.05:23
foxbuntulevander, sorry...just popped in, what are you trying to do?05:25
levanderCan you skip commercials while watching Live TV?05:25
foxbuntulevander, only with the smart skip or fast forward, obviously only if you have recorded that far ahead...ie it wa paused for some amount of time05:26
foxbuntubut not commerical break skipping like in playback of recordings05:26
levanderfoxbuntu: Cool, that's what Dr_willis was saying.  With two opinions, I can definitely lay it to rest now.05:27
levanderI think I saw that smart skip thing in Setup.  I'm gonna go look into that.05:27
foxbuntusmart skip defaults to 30 secs forward and 10 back05:27
levanderThe key to use smart skip isn't in the "Installing and Using" guide on mythtv.org.  At least it doesn't show up when I search for "smart" or "skip".05:29
levanderIn Chptr. 11, where they talk about what keys to use for everything: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.105:29
foxbuntulevander, usually defaults to Left and right (left forward, right back)05:30
foxbuntuoops05:30
foxbuntuother way around05:30
levanderfoxbuntu: I thought that was just regular fast forward and rewind, those two buttons.05:30
foxbuntulevander, no, those are just ff and rewind05:30
foxbuntusmart skip is the left and right arrow keys05:31
foxbuntuon the remote and keyboard05:31
levanderWhat is "just ff and rewind"?  Don't understand that sentence.05:31
levanderI don't have a remote setup yet.  So, don't know anything about remotes.05:31
foxbuntulevander, ok...well I thought you meant a remote05:32
levanderSo, left and right is "smart skip" on the keyboard?05:32
foxbuntu> is fastforward, and < rewind (the actualy keys not the arrows)05:33
foxbuntulevander, yes05:33
levanderfoxbuntu: Great, lemme try these.05:33
levanderbrb05:33
levanderYou know, I was wondering why FF and REW was so unsmooth and choppy.  It's because the keys weren't doing what I thought they were.05:35
levanderAlmost done figuring out enough basics of Myth.05:35
levanderJust go to figure out how to install a wireless card and a remote, then I come move the box upstairs and watch regular TV on it.  From my couch, like watching television is meant to be.05:36
foxbuntulevander, you will like remote config...just open mythbuntu-control-centre up and find a remote that is supported in there prior to buying one and you willhave no trouble at all05:38
foxbuntu(I wrote that support :) )05:38
levanderProblem is, I really, really wanna Logitech Harmony 550.  I didn't see that remote in there.05:39
foxbuntulevander, yeah everyone wants that remote...lol05:39
levanderMyabe if I get motivated, I can figure out what I need to send in to get it supported...05:39
levanderfoxbuntu: Well, I'm spending the $80 to get it.  I've done too much work not to be happy with the remote.05:40
foxbuntulevander, tell you what...if you find the documentation or the lircd.conf for that remote I will at it to the new version of the remote support I am building05:40
levanderfoxbuntu: Yeah, definitely.  I used to send in little bug fixes and stuff for free software.  But, haven't done anything for awhile.  I need to start contributing again, at least in small ways.05:41
levanderAnd no, I don't have time to work on Myth basically full time like a lotta you guys manage somehow.05:41
foxbuntulevander, it always starts small...I couldn't even code much more than a basic script before I started working with this team05:41
levanderYou're kidding me, you're not a programmer?05:42
foxbuntunope05:42
levanderOr, at least, not a programmer outside of Myth?05:42
levanderfoxbuntu: That's something.  I went to school to learn this stuff.05:42
foxbuntuI am a network engineer (hardware guy)05:42
levanderfoxbuntu: But you know, I've only worked professionally with a few guys cutting code that didn't finish school.  All of them were some of the best I've worked with.05:43
levanderI think college just acts like a filter.05:43
levanderIf you can get through the filter without going to school, it means you're pretty good.05:43
levanderIf I see a resume with five graduate degrees on it, I throw it away right off.05:44
levanderIf I see a resume with no college on it, I put it on top.05:44
foxbuntuI sure hope I am for what client pay to have me around (I am a Consultant for Enterprise Businesses)05:44
foxbuntu..as a Network Engineer05:44
levanderConsultant, like you tell them what Network Infrastructure they need?05:44
levanderyeah, that was my guess, network engineer.05:44
foxbuntusometimes05:44
levanderWhat else are they willing to pay consultants for?05:45
foxbuntuIm kinda of a jack of all trades05:45
levanderIs some of the work basically just regular contract work?05:45
foxbuntusometimes05:45
foxbuntumost of the time big projects05:46
levanderLike configuring all the network, getting it up and going?  That would be a big project?05:46
foxbuntuthats an easy one...I like those05:46
levanderActually, I see it now.  Lots of companies probably just have network engineering work at irregular times.  They don't need someone at all times, but they have to have someone they can call.05:47
levanderThat's basically what you do?05:47
foxbuntunormally its, ...here is the goal...figure out 3 options with what we have, what we will need to get and how much all the options cost, then make it work seemless05:47
levanderOkay, so they typically already have some, then need to extend it, but don't know how.05:48
foxbuntuexactly...05:48
foxbuntuthey are paying for my expertise05:48
levanderI'm thinking about going out on my own doing some web development.05:48
levanderI need to do more research about the kinds of projects people are willing to pay for.05:48
levanderI could just go straight graphics design, I'm okay with that.05:49
levanderBut, I really like writing software.05:49
levanderHope to find a niche where I can get projects writing web software for people.05:49
levanderI guess I'll see..05:49
foxbuntulevander, in my experience most medium to large businesses have internal staff that write their custom apps05:50
levanderYeah, that's what I'm thinking.05:50
levanderI know there are a lot of freelance web developers, but I think it's like 80% graphic design they do.05:50
foxbuntuYeah, I have seen that allot too05:51
levanderThen maybe configuring some stuff, or finding a little bit of custom software they need online somewhere.05:51
foxbuntulevander, so are you a software engineer then?05:52
levanderYeah, I'm writing Java apps for the web.05:52
* foxbuntu shivers from the cold breeze at the mention of Java05:52
foxbuntulol05:53
levanderI like Java.05:53
levanderI been looking into Rails, and I've learn it.05:53
levanderBut, fom reading around, Rails is too slow.05:53
levanderYOu couldn't really do a big corporate site on it.05:53
levanderPython's environment is too piece meal.05:53
levanderPHP is for people who don't know how to program.05:53
foxbuntuits great for oo web apps05:53
foxbuntuI am a big Ajax fan...but dont know mcuh yet05:54
levanderfoxbuntu: Yeah, and in a corporate environment, because there's so little to the Java language, it kind of protects you from the lesser engineers you are inevitably gonna work with.05:54
levanderThere's so much less harm you can do in Java than in Ruby.  There's just not as much power in Java.05:54
levanderThe creativity in Java comes in laying out the OO framework.  Making stuff work together in ways that make sense.05:55
levanderYou don't put much thought into the individual lines of code.05:55
levanderBut, then there end up being a *lot* more lines of code.05:55
foxbuntuI guess the little schooling I did in code made me a C/C++ guy and Java seems a little fat...kinda like C# to me05:56
foxbuntuwhich is prob why I like Python and Perl05:57
levanderI started in C++ too.  Java is kind of similar to C++.  Just no low level stuff in Java.  Which you don't need in enterprise development.05:57
foxbuntulevander, agreed05:57
levanderPython and Perl are lots better for small groups of talented developers.05:57
levanderYou just don't get that in corporate America.05:57
foxbuntunope05:57
foxbuntuI know that much all the places I have worked in05:57
levanderI'd give Rails a try, if it weren't slow.05:58
levanderWell, slow for large capacities.05:58
levanderIt's fine if just like 20 guys are hitting a web site.05:58
levanderYou want 20 queries all at the same time, the problem is a lot easier to solve in Java.05:59
levanderYou just don't have to worry about stuff like caching.05:59
levanderWhich affects performance in its own way.05:59
foxbunturight...I am a big fan of PHP frontends and SQL Backends for Websites05:59
foxbuntuand running a webserver like lighttpd with fastcgi and php cache06:00
levanderReally though, it's only a few nooks and crannies I've seen people complain about high capacity sites in Rails.  But, there's not a lot of them, and I haven't seen anyone brag about performance of high capacity Rails.06:00
levanderI've just seen it mentioned on blogs and the such.06:00
levanderWikipedia is done in PHP. I believe like 90% of it is PHP.06:01
levanderPHP for whatever reason is handling high capacity sites.06:01
foxbuntuI think becuase it handles SQL so well06:01
levanderDon't most people just hard code SQL queries as strings in their PHP code?06:02
foxbuntudepends...some stuff is dynamic...depends on the purpose06:02
levanderYeah, I shouldn't have said hard code.  I just mean don't they just construct strings and use those as SQL Queries?06:03
foxbuntuyes06:03
foxbuntuIm not sure how it would be done elsewise06:04
levanderAll languages can do that.  The trick is when you start automatically translating objects into queries.  That's always slow.06:04
levanderWell, the OORMS trick (just above) and caching.06:04
levanderLike that PHP cache thing you mentioned above.06:04
foxbuntu(just my inexperience with coding I guess)06:05
michaellamotheHi there.09:54
michaellamotheAre there any MOTUs who are interested in road-testing my GNOME based DVB application?  It's all packaged and ready to go.  I just need advocates.09:56
michaellamotheI have a few people that have said they'll second it but they don't have DVB cards so they want someone with a DVB card to ack it first.09:57
frink_hello?14:32
rhpot1991hello14:36
frink_hello rhpot199114:52
rhpot1991hows it going?14:52
frink_oright15:24
frink_I am knackered15:24
frink_have too much work to do15:24
frink_too many kids who make too much noise15:24
rhpot1991http://www.woot.com/16:05
rhpot1991I wonder if anyone has any luck with that tuner16:05
rhpot1991http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Pinnacle/800e16:06
rhpot1991that seems to indicate yes16:06
bendaileyrhpot1991: I just was looking at that myself16:08
bendaileyIt looks very promising16:09
tgm4883i've been looking for a usb one for my laptop.  I wonder how well that would work in the car?16:10
bendaileywhat kind of antenna are you planning on using in your car? are you in the same city as the towers you want to recieve?16:10
rhpot1991I have no idea what kind of return policy woot has though16:11
rhpot1991only ever got roombas from them16:11
tgm4883well, i was planning on using it as a extra HD tuner, then when I go on vacation take it with me for the freeway16:11
tgm4883more of a i think i'll try it, and if it works then cool16:12
tgm4883if not, no biggie16:12
tgm4883although i'd rather grab a hdhomerun16:12
bendaileyyeah it would be interesting to try it in a mobile setting16:12
rhpot1991I'm just looking at it as an extra tuner for $6016:13
tgm4883youmean 7516:13
rhpot1991hmmm apparently I can't read16:13
rhpot1991thats a little less tempting16:13
tgm4883it's regular 10916:13
bendaileyI would rather have an hdhomerun also but for 100 difference plus ntsc it is tempting16:14
superm1the me-tv author just added atsc too.16:14
rhpot1991I can get another pvr150 for less than that16:14
superm1so that would mean mobility wise that could be used16:14
tgm4883superm1, for the software?16:14
superm1perhaps we can have a suite of apps on disk for TV usage with some sort of custom frontend for launching them16:14
superm1tgm4883, well if you have a laptop and no myth with you16:14
superm1but you wanted to watch some atsc stuff16:15
tgm4883eh, i'll just write up a spec for foxbuntu :)16:15
superm1hm where on there does it mention that it is the 800e?16:16
superm1pinnacle has a ton of sticks like that i thought16:16
rhpot1991it doesn't16:16
superm1well i wouldn't jump to the conclusion that its the 800e then...16:17
rhpot1991unfortunately woot doesn't normally spell out a model number16:17
bendaileysuperm1: it has the same model name minus the woot part as the 800e16:18
superm1well i don't need one, so someone snap up and grab one and we'll find out :)16:18
rhpot1991ya I just matched up PCTV HD PRO STICK16:19
tgm4883http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/us/Products/Consumer+Products/PCTV/PCTV/16:19
tgm4883i don't even see an 800e16:19
tgm4883just one that says pro16:19
bendaileyanyone know rf or ir remote?16:22
bendaileyshoot appears to be an ir remote my mythbox is behind my tv :(16:27
rhpot1991just buy a mce remote or something16:27
superm1or a usb extension cable16:28
tgm4883or a serial ir receiver16:29
tgm4883or a second mythbox that will go in front of your tv that will grab the ir command and transfer it over rs232 to the other mythbox16:30
tgm4883or a child from a third world country that will change the channel for you in exchange for food16:30
rhpot1991heh16:31
* tgm4883 does the third option16:31
* rhpot1991 searches amazon for "human remote control"16:32
* tgm4883 had "tgm4883 MCE" tattood on their forehead16:32
tgm4883it's kinda sad though when they crash and I have to run the kill command16:32
bendaileyI will just continue to use my rf keyboard16:34
ndzhey rhpot1991!  What about PCTV HD PRO STICK???   I own one of em16:41
rhpot1991does it work with mythtv?16:42
ndzhaven't tried.  I use it on a win box16:42
rhpot1991http://www.woot.com/16:42
rhpot1991is what we are all looking at16:42
ndzyep.  I paid 100 I think16:43
rhpot1991its useless to me if it doesn't work in linux though16:43
ndzthere's supposed to be a newer one coming out (if not out already) where you can get input w/o the Pinnacle software16:43
ndzI would guess the newer one would have a better chance of working with myth/linux16:44
ndzthats a good deal if you want to watch some HD on your Win box.  I never saw a linux driver for it though16:46
rhpot1991I saw words about pctv hd pro stick working, but who knows if this is the exact same thing, as it is a woot branded version16:52
rhpot1991I'd hate to order it and have it have some different chipset inside16:52
ndzdoes woot do that often?  I have never bought from them16:53
rhpot1991well they don't normally tell you model numbers on a lot of things, so its hard to tell as far as linux support16:55
michaellamotheHi All21:14
michaellamothesuperm1: Are you there?21:14
tgm4883_laptopmichaellamothe, whats up21:15
tgm4883_laptopi saw you had a gnome DVB app for testing?21:15
michaellamothetgm4883_laptop: Yes, are you interested?21:16
tgm4883_laptopI am, although im not motu21:16
michaellamothetgm4883_laptop: That's ok.  Hope you like it.21:16
michaellamothetgm4883_laptop: Where are you from?21:17
tgm4883_laptopWest coast USA21:17
tgm4883_laptopOregon21:17
michaellamothetgm4883_laptop: You'll be happy to know that last night I added ATSC support to my development/unstable branch.21:18
tgm4883_laptopsweet21:18
tgm4883_laptopwhere can i get this to test21:18
michaellamothetgm4883_laptop:  Download from https://launchpad.net/me-tv/+download21:19
michaellamotheIt's not the debs though.  Just the source ... but you can dpkg-buildpackage from that source.21:19
tgm4883_laptopk21:20
tgm4883_laptop4.6?21:20
tgm4883_laptopor are you needing testing for 4.5?21:20
michaellamothetgm4883_laptop: Yep 4.6.  You'll need to supply a channels.conf.21:20
tgm4883_laptopOK21:20
tgm4883_laptopoh, quiz time, gotta go.  I'll grab it later, thanks21:20
michaellamothetgm4883_laptop: 4.5 is the one I'm promoting for Hardy.  It's tested by people all over the work ... just not Hardy.21:21
michaellamothetgm4883:  I'll put the ATSC code into stable right after someone tells me that it works because there's nothing to it.21:22
michaellamothetgm4883: cya ... gotta go to work soon.21:22
rhpot1991so did anyone order the card from woot?21:25
rhpot1991I swung by best buy on lunch, and it looks the same as the retail hd pro stick21:25
rhpot1991new futurama movie seemed like a safer/better investment though21:33
directhexi want that in HD21:34
rhpot1991what, futurama?21:35
directhexyeah21:35
directhexit seems to me "classic" cell-shaded animation is something that really shows up the difference between hd & sd21:35
rhpot1991I doubt you will see it any time soon21:36
rhpot1991took them long enough to get new content21:36
rhpot1991let alone recycle old21:36
rhpot1991I hear the new movie is good though21:38
rhpot1991did you get it yet?21:38
directhexnot yet. i may wait for it on something hd. i've waited this long since season 4 ended...21:41
rhpot1991eh21:41
rhpot1991pick it up, will only help your odds of getting it in HD21:41
hendrixskihey,  has anybody packaged up that new mythpython thing yet?22:50
hendrixskiI see potential in it, so it probably wouldn't hurt to have a few debs floating around.  I'm thinking of making one if nobody hasn't already.22:50
directhexick, python22:51
directhexwake me when there's libmythtv-cil22:51
hendrixskidirecthex, cil???22:51
directhexhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Intermediate_Language22:52
hendrixskioh.. ha ha22:53
hendrixskinah, it's not bindings... it's this guy who wants to make it easily mod-able like the xbox MC22:53
directhexas long as it doesn't lead to a flood of low-quality code22:54
hendrixskihow would it do that?22:54
hendrixskimodders != developers22:54
hendrixskithey just make scripts that do cool things, like download trailers off the apple website for examplle... if it's a good idea, then a coder will pick it up and write good code to include it into mythtv22:55
hendrixskidirecthex, so I'm going to assume you haven't heard of anybody else who's picked this up yet?22:56
directhexhendrixski, nope22:57
hendrixskik22:57
hendrixskiand, you know anything about packaging?22:57
hendrixskithis thing is compiled using cmake, and I wonder if there aren't any surprises with packaging cmake-based programs22:57
directhexi'd just try feeding it through dh_make first. it might JustWork(tm). maybe22:58
hendrixskiright23:00
hendrixskiwell, I'll give it a go23:00
* hendrixski doesn't think mythtv is exactly what one would call "high quality" code to begin with... anyways... off to packaging mythpython :-)23:01
directhexmyth's code is frightening in places, yes. perhaps that's why i'd rather see effort on doing things like making libmythui not suck, than on bringing a torrent of random scripts to it23:01
directhexmyth looks old and tired compared to proprietary alternatives. featurewise it's good, but presentation is poor23:02
hendrixskiyeah23:03
hendrixskiwell, hopefully some companies might pick it up and start working with it23:03
hendrixskikind of like Apache, or the kernel itself23:03
directhexonly one company's done anything - and their product only uses myth on the backend23:06
hendrixskidirecthex, which company is that?23:12
directhexpluto23:13
hendrixskiah, right right23:13
hendrixskiwell, some guys posted to the list a few weeks ago that they had done a project for a client that was mythtv based23:13
hendrixskibut their code kinda sucks23:13
hendrixskiI couldn't get it to compile, and their build-script was actually a debian-packaging script... which sucked a huge one23:14
hendrixskiI guess it was a prototype.  but there may be another company in the middle-east coming out with another such project :-p23:14
hendrixskianyways... gotta go for a dinner appointment.   I found another package using cmake, so I'll use their debian/rules as a guide for mythpython23:15
hendrixskilater23:15

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