[00:42] %login [00:42] OK [00:42] @btlogin [00:45] %login [00:45] : ( [00:45] lol [00:45] it no likey you. [00:46] Make it like me :( [00:46] tonyyarusso, please check your client [00:46] !love [00:46] Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come. [00:46] somerville32: sorry, I don't think you and him are ever destined to be together ;-) [00:47] : ( [00:47] wait, ubotu is a him? [00:47] Pici, if you want him to be [00:47] * ompaul blinks [00:47] *resists* [00:47] Pici: it was a her in portuguese until someone changed it to a him [00:47] Pici: {s}he is whatever you want h{im,er} to be. [00:47] jdong, I wasn't going to be the one to say it... [00:48] PriceChild: don't worry I won't make the ultimate joke in here ;-) [00:48] I think i got kicked for it before... [00:48] Make it : P [00:48] Oh no. [00:48] * somerville32 chants. [00:48] i like to picture ubotu as a hermaphrodite. [00:49] * jdong shudders [00:49] isn't bisexual good enough? [00:49] that was the ultimate joke? [00:49] lol no. [00:49] * somerville32 doesn't get it. [00:49] there's something about a raging erection *and* lactating breasts while i'm being told how to reinstall GRUB that's really, really compelling. [00:49] jdong is not making the ultimate joke. [00:50] whoa [00:50] shame. [00:50] * somerville32 still doesn't get it. [00:50] I know a bot whose name's anna [00:50] mneptok: pics? [00:50] jdong: http://www.geekasaurus.com/clint/images/20050512grizzlybear.jpg [00:50] do I dare.... [00:50] OH GODDDDD [00:50] AAAAAHHHHH [00:51] *muah* [00:51] you did. [00:51] I prefer a bit less hair on my men. [00:51] Not that I ... urgh never mind [00:51] this channel isn't logged, right? [00:51] I am so no clicking. [00:51] Oh it is. [00:51] lovely. [00:51] ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H [00:51] * LjL points jdong to ubuntulog [00:51] jdong, I am bloggin this [00:51] !logs [00:51] Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [00:51] oh crap :) [00:51] You're all going straight to hell via google. [00:51] PriceChild: nothing straight about this hell ;-) [00:51] I wonder if we could get topyli to do one of his comic strips of this [00:51] It'll index you to death. [00:52] jdong: that pun was ompaulish. [00:52] haha [00:52] lol [00:52] * somerville32 doesn't get it. [00:53] * LjL seems to understand that somerville32 doesn't get it. [00:53] so why laugh? [00:53] ompaul: no soap, radio. [00:53] jdong: picture it, though. you can play "English Gentleman Big Game Hunter" and machete your way through the back hair. "Dr. Livingston, I presume. And aren't *you* the strapping lad!" [00:53] jdong: ahahahaha [00:53] jdong, whole different order of broadcast - see multicast - after several broken bones [00:54] wow even I find that hard to follow [00:54] :) [00:54] mneptok, you are the one - one what we don't know but the one none the less [00:54] * LjL thinks at this stage jdong's so ruined he could just make the ultimate joke too [00:55] lol no, I still have a slight bit of a conscience [00:55] * mneptok broke jdong! [00:55] though this channel is eroding it fast ;-) [00:55] mneptok: oh I was broken far before you came along ;-) [00:55] oh? cool, i'll get the hand cream and tile grout. [00:55] :] [00:55] I get the cream, but what's the grout for? [00:55] jdong, you had to ask [00:56] uh oh this might not be good... [00:56] do you have insurance? [00:56] * ompaul rofl [00:56] err.... for me or for my bathroom? [00:56] oh ... and is your will up-to-date? [00:56] mneptok, you are what we refer to as a sick puppy [00:56] the grout is most certainly NOT for the bathroom. how .... uninspired. [00:57] ompaul: i'm in good company ;) [00:57] mneptok, there is that and then there is this: Scorpions – Suspender Love [00:57] haha. he said "in". [00:57] all the way to the base. [00:58] lol [00:58] ompaul: ROCK YOU LIKE A HURRICANE! [00:58] hahah [00:58] grr - ever had one of those professors that feels the need to blather on about things that aren't covered by the book, b/c they aren't really relevant to the intended curriculum but he likes them anyway? [00:58] (wait, was that Scorpions?) [00:58] mneptok, actually got to go --- speedy's coming [00:58] tonyyarusso, I kinda like those moments... [00:58] tonyyarusso, they're normally slightly interesting. [00:58] tonyyarusso: *sigh* my bio professor invented cancer and the tests, homeworks, and lectures are basically turning into his life memoirs. [00:59] jdong, don't you have like a young professor for any subject? [00:59] ompaul: I wish.... [00:59] tonyyarusso: "Can we please cover the material I paid for?" [00:59] PriceChild: it's a computer science course taught by a guy who probably witnessed the invention of the punchcard. [00:59] ompaul: they're all old and not good for daydreaming during lectures. [00:59] right I am gone [00:59] jdong: isn't he a bit ashamed he invented cancer [00:59] you know, it's not something I'd boast about [01:00] oh don't get jdong started on this... [01:00] lol he discovered the first oncogene and tumor suppressor genes [01:00] so I think it evens out [01:00] sure "discovered" [01:00] a wrong and then a right makes a forgotten wrong. [01:00] :) [01:00] he also lamented al gore getting the nobel peace prize.... [01:01] fortunately no notes for that lecture ;-) [01:01] jdong: does that mean Germany gets a pass on the Holocaust because of Technoviking? [01:01] * Hobbsee thinks mneptok is just plain insane. [01:01] mneptok: nah the german fetish stuff already made up for it ;-) [01:01] wow I'm losing it [01:02] technoviking? [01:02] * jdong wonders if people actually read the log to this channel [01:02] jdong: only your mother [01:03] PriceChild: http://www.break.com/knockedupdvd/all-hail-technoviking.html [01:03] ^^ Technoviking ^^ [01:03] Oh lordy, this should be interesting [01:03] Now he thinks he's qualified to talk about brain structure [01:04] aparently one of my lecturers worked with bourne for a while [01:04] Jason? [01:04] dunno. forgot. [01:04] [01:07] lol [01:07] lmao [01:07] don't encourage him with laughter [01:08] Wait... doesn't MikeB- use TechnoViking as his nick on irc now? [01:08] rza [01:08] *imagines MikeB dancing like that* [01:08] err that's yes. [01:08] jdong, not qwerty? [01:10] not dvorak either [01:10] PriceChild: offset -1 key and a dyslexic swap [01:10] :) [01:11] the only thing that's offset -1 is the s, and even if you swap the other two, "ye" doesn't come up :P [01:15] LjL, which channels for ubotu? [01:15] PriceChild: ah, i thought my watchlist changing would mean something. [01:15] LjL, pardon? [01:15] PriceChild: [Watched nicks] dutchman is now online [01:15] :) [01:17] wait, you can watch for nicks? [01:17] Do you watch for me? :) [01:22] meh [01:23] choudesh called the ops in #ubuntu (oobe) [01:46] LjL: err, how do you set a forward in mlock? [01:47] tonyyarusso: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/MovingChannels [01:47] please forward to any other contacts who may need to move [01:47] LjL: yeah, that's what I did. /cs info #ubuntu-minnesota though - it shows a +f, but not the channel it's supposed to go to. [01:48] tonyyarusso: well, it does forward to the right channel [01:48] odd [01:48] it's just that chanserv doesn't show it [01:48] all righty [01:50] chanserv never shows it [01:50] just +f [01:50] and whatever else [01:50] mode-wise [01:59] omg wii [02:00] yes [02:00] just kickban him [02:00] * Tm_T cant [02:00] unless you allow me [02:01] where and with what nick? [02:02] crdlb: erm? [02:02] crdlb: who are you? [02:02] LjL: pretty please [02:03] * crdlb is an op in #compiz-fusion [02:03] not that [02:03] but thanks :) [02:03] * mjr wrote up a short piece on Censorship, IRC and the Ubuntu Code of Conduct for fun, profit, and future efficiency of arguing about it. Those interested, http://mjr.iki.fi/ubuntu/coc_censorship [02:03] Tm_T, seems he's begging for me to. [02:04] meh [02:04] where his ban is from there? [02:05] Tm_T: he's not banned, but ompaul removed a lot of bans earlier because the banlist was full, let me check [02:05] hmmmm [02:06] he was banned twice from there I'm sure [02:06] one of them was removed [02:06] I thought he was k-lined :( [02:07] crdlb: twice atleast [02:07] mjr: That seems like a reasonable argument for society in general, but not so much for Ubuntu-land. [02:08] Tm_T, both bans were removed on oct 15 by pici pruning bans. on one of them, he states in the comment that there is another banmask covering the same ban, however it seems he removed that one by mistake too [02:08] so, i say it's a ban [02:08] LjL: if and when you are sure that we can remove him again, please let me ;) [02:08] mjr: nice essay [02:09] :( [02:09] mjr, Do you mind if I blog about it? [02:09] mjr: My post from a while back is somewhat relevant as well (see http://blog.tonyyarusso.com/politics/what-free-speech-isnt/) [02:09] somerville32, go ahead [02:09] mjr: of course, i'd be interested to see #ubuntu-offtopic actually have a conversation about politics, which didn't turn into a mega-long rant about the state of politics, where nothing else could be said at all. [02:09] mjr: which is why the politics stuff was added in there [02:10] Tm_T: sorry, i had already switched to -offtopic [02:10] mjr: I agree that it would be nice if enforcement were more uniform, but frankly I think that's hard to do without making it automated by bots, which I think would be far scarier. [02:11] mjr: btw - most of that stuff was added, as Hobbsee pointed out, due to past experience. The channel used to be much more allowing to various topics, but unfortunately restricted out of necessity as it grew. (Things are very different with 150 people compared to 25) [02:11] mjr: also, #ubuntu-offtopic isn't really a great place to get psychatric help. [02:11] mjr: what essay? [02:12] "we're a linux distribution. not a psychiatric ward" [02:12] Hobbsee: sure? [02:12] Tm_T: last i checked. [02:13] mjr: also, i find it unhelpful when people rant about women in the channel - it's often mroe discouraging to women to see that, than to have it not beign discussed at all. [02:13] mjr: the aim of -offtopic is so that everyone can have a say, and can have multiple conversations at once if they wish. if you're having a massive flamewar on some subject, ti's very hard to do that. [02:15] mjr: of course, one could then go and write another rant, saying that because stuff like politics *is* allowed, it was too busy to discuss what they wanted to, and that they didn't care about a particularly country's politics, and so it's a violtaion of their free speech to talk. [02:15] er, to have that in there. [02:15] * Hobbsee is still a big fan of forwarding #ubuntu-offtopic to ##offtopic, so it has no relevance to ubuntu at all. [02:17] * LjL is still a big fan of the idea that #ubuntu-offtopic should at least in theory be considered a channel where the main topic is Ubuntu, just not Ubuntu *support*, while digressions are allowed to some extent [02:17] Hobbsee, not an entirely bad idea [02:17] * jdong sides with LjL on this [02:17] Tm_T, see above [02:17] LjL: agreed [02:17] LjL: yeah well. that'd be even nicer. [02:17] there needs to be an IRC place for Ubuntites to just chill and get to know each other... [02:17] but not rage political war ;-) [02:18] Hobbsee: that happens. there's a lot of Ubuntu-related talk in -offtopic, although there's also a lot of unrelated talk. [02:18] as an australian, i don't overly care about american politics. why should i not be able to talk in there about what i want, due to an hour long discussion on something i'm not interested in, which is very busy? [02:18] jdong: may i suggest #debian ? >:) [02:19] do you actually have a good solution to that? [02:19] mneptok: meh but what if I'm bidistro? :) [02:19] Hobbsee: as an American, i'm not quite sure what this "Australia" you speak of actually *is*. [02:19] mneptok: :P [02:19] mneptok wins [02:19] all in all, I think it's an impossible line to draw :) [02:20] Hobbsee: oh! wait! "Koala England," right?! [02:20] I think the policy should be worded roughly like the ops are fully within their rights to stop any discussion [02:20] jdong: that won't stop the paranoi [02:20] a [02:20] jdong: what, it isn't?! [02:20] mjr: interesting [02:20] LjL: well technically it is, but without an explicit policy you'll get a lot of bickering when you do it [02:21] LjL: it actually specifies what some of the inappropriate stuff is [02:21] jdong: tss, says you. remember the changes we made to the guidelines during the last meeting? [02:21] I'd say "Ubuntu-related topics are fair game, you can try other topics but don't whine if you're asked to take it outside" [02:21] http://www.mneptok.com/staticpages/index.php?page=unixirc <--- feel free to appropriate any parts of "The Rules" that would be helpful. [02:22] jdong: "ubuntu-related topics are fine, anything else goes to ##offtopic" [02:22] :) [02:22] Hobbsee: jdong LjL I would also say that all "op games" should be kept out from -offtopic [02:23] he asked for it [02:23] since when have they been in -offtopic anyway? not for a while. [02:23] afaik. [02:23] mneptok: those look good. [02:24] oh, uhm, err. [02:24] ... [02:24] i'm starting to think all the ops should quit from -offtopic, stick people like somerville32 and mjr in there, and let them deal with it - and see hwo they do. [02:25] Hobbsee: are you recruiting for Fedora or something? ;) [02:25] we'll see what they end up doing, and whether they'll take an ideological stance, or a practical one, after they've had some experience. [02:25] talk about trial by fire ... [02:25] mneptok: well, they want to change it, they think they can do a better job, and they think we suck at it. [02:26] I don't get the point. Why out there are people that whine about op's "censorship" on #ubuntu-* channels? Nobody forbids them to join ##offtopic or to open a new channel in which they would be kings of their realm. [02:26] give 'em a trial, see fi they change their tune. [02:26] * mjr notes how some counterarguments for censorship by subject have been presented, while nobody has counterargued by vocabulary. Interesting :] [02:26] no0tic: because ##offtopic is apparently scary, and doesn't have the same people [02:26] mjr: you probably have a point aobut the vocabulary. to a point. [02:26] Hobbsee, then.. create a new channel and invite every user you want, what's the problem? [02:27] We believe in free speech ... to a point. A well-placed epithet can often be used to great effect. But excessive profanity is silly. Ad hominem abuse (personal attack) is a no-no. Trolling is a no-no. Use of your client for CTCP, DCC and other actions is also covered by this. Don't engage in client abuses. What constitutes each of these things? When an op asks you to cut it out, you'll know you've gone too far. [02:27] sums it up quite well [02:27] mjr: official Ubuntu IRC channels are censored. deal with it. [02:27] mjr: trust me, you're glad they are. [02:27] no0tic: people's lazyness. [02:27] mneptok: and you yourself are censored in them :P [02:27] _Of course_ I deal with it. Why do you think I'm still there? [02:27] Hobbsee: oh, i self censor. trust me. [02:28] mjr: so what is your issue? [02:28] or does "dealing with it" mean not pointing out hypocrisy? [02:28] Personally, I've came to the conclusion that I'll never feel the same way about IRC policy as some of the ops and I've come to accept that. [02:28] mjr: such as? [02:28] mneptok, such as noted in the essay [02:29] You want to join ubuntu community? well, there are rules to follow, period. You dislike ops' behaviours? Think about why they became ops [02:29] mjr: kees can commit security patches directly to the repos. MOTUs can't. is this "hypocrisy?" [02:29] mneptok, of course not. But being arrogant, petty and disrespectful while pounding on the CoC is. [02:29] somerville32, indeed. different channels are run in many very different ways... and i don't have a prejudice against those channels that are run in opposite ways from the ones we run ours. they've chosen a different path, and each may work fine, if there are the conditions [02:30] mjr: the fact is, IRC is not a democracy. it's not a republic. it's a meritocracy in the best cases, and despotism in the worst. [02:30] mneptok, please keep telling me stuff I've known probably for longer than you've been online [02:30] mjr: if you have specific examples, and logs, the IRC Council wants to talk to you. [02:31] mjr: *now* who's being arrogant, petty, and disrespectful? [02:31] My biggest tift about the IRC council is the lack of equal representation. [02:31] mneptok, I freely admit I answer to those in kind pretty quickly [02:31] mjr: how long *have* you been online? [02:31] mjr: i said nothing petty, arrogant, or disrespectful. [02:32] mneptok, Who are you kidding? :P You _are_ arrogant and disrespectful :P Thats why we love you. [02:32] mjr: i stated my opinion. you find it repetetive. it's no good reason to be insulting. [02:32] mneptok, you were stating and restating obvious things to me as if I'm an idiot, all the while staying clear of all relevance to the actual matter, which isn't if it's a democracy, but if it's a hypocracy [02:33] somerville32: who else would you want on there? [02:33] somerville32: why is it not equal? [02:33] mjr: "hypocrisy" [02:33] mneptok, it's a "play on words". Look it up. [02:34] Hobbsee, The IRC Council mainly represents the management of the three (four?) main support channels and their offtopic equivs and that the IRC Council should have a seat for each group. [02:34] somerville32: the point of a council is that it isn't huge. [02:34] * tonyyarusso sighs at that point, yet again [02:34] somerville32: presumably you're upset that you didn't get a chance to be on it, so are bringing all this up? [02:35] mjr: as i'm weary of your attitude, i'm going now. [02:35] mneptok, good. [02:35] Hobbsee, I wouldn't be interested in being on it but I wouldn't mind seeing another xubuntu op on it. [02:35] mjr: you might get better results after a juice box and a nap. [02:35] somerville32: do you feel there's times your interests were underrepresented in decision making? [02:36] * jdong thinks there doesn't have to be a rep from each group on the council to have that group's needs addressed [02:36] somerville32: for one, i'm glad that you're *not* on it - as you don't appear to be able to keep your jealousy separate from the issues at hand - like the running of *ubuntu* related channels. [02:36] somerville32: who would your suggestion be for an xubuntu-related op? [02:36] mneptok, well, you go get those and then reread your lines and consider carefully whether you might've been a tiniest bit condescending [02:36] somerville32: and have you seen the council behave badly towards kubuntu, as there is no kubuntu-based op on the council? [02:37] I wouldn't know and I wouldn't even know if the current setup works. I'm thinking purely about why there is the IRC and how I think it should be composed fairly. [02:37] Since the IRC is a body of power. [02:37] as far as i can see, the problem with mjr's argument is the apparent assumption that everyone has rights on all ubuntu channels and that it is a democracy. But it isn't - it is a "private" network, where certain people have been chosen to run it. What they say goes - end of story [02:37] mjr: if you found my opinions repetitive, sorry. it's still no excuse for the "i'voe been online longer than you" swordfight [02:37] Seeker`, get better glasses [02:38] its not like anyone is forced to be here, they can set up unofficial ubuntu channels on this server, or other servers [02:38] somerville32: all i seem to see from you is how it doesn't work, consistently, yet you offer little-to-no solutions on how it can be fixed - apart from creating more beaurocracy. [02:38] mjr: stop the caustic comments. now. [02:38] But I'm not sure I want to get into this discussion because we often fight and I'd rather have a good working relationship with you. [02:38] and IRC isn't the end of the world. Fair enough if it was Real Life, but its just a chat system [02:38] somerville32: i have no interest in fighting with you - all i'm doing is suggesting why your comments are not taken entirely seriously. [02:38] guys, can we please move this political discussion to #offtopic? [02:38] *ducks* [02:38] Seeker`, the point is that the operator practices on major ubuntu channels are disrespectful, arrogant, and petty, whiles _supposed_ to being governed by the CoC [02:39] somerville32: and why you didn't get asked to be on the council. [02:39] mneptok, you mean comments like "deal with it"? You know, your opener [02:39] mjr: I have not seen any actions like that, and I have been hanging around here for quite a while [02:39] bloody hell. [02:39] * jdong blinks [02:39] uh. [02:39] whuddeye do? [02:39] mneptok: see /query [02:40] * Seeker` hopes he didn't do anything wrong [02:41] ok, i suggest that this discussion is stopped now. continue in #ubuntu-irc if you feel the need to. this is a flamewar now, actually it's been a flamewar for the last 20 minutes at least, with personal attacks and everything. [02:41] have you never heard the logic of bashing kid's heads together when they keep arguing, so they both step down and think about what they're doing? [02:41] (independant of who's right and wrong?) [02:42] Hobbsee: can i go ride bikes now? [02:42] sure! [02:42] YAY! [02:42] mneptok: put on your helmet! [02:42] probably too late though [02:42] i always wear a helmet. [02:42] and i'm not on any teams. :/ [02:43] I was going to say put on your protective gear, but thought better of it :) [02:43] of course.. [02:43] that's like asking Miami to buy snowplows. [02:44] * Hobbsee fully realises that that will be used in mjr's or somerville32's next essay on why ubuntu censorship is evil - the kicking of both of them, to restore general channel sanity. [02:44] one gets blasted for acting, or one gets blasted for not acting. pick your poison. [02:45] * Seeker` => bed [02:45] I rather focus my efforts on packaging than the politics of Ubuntu IRC [02:45] Hobbsee: sounds like a case of Jdub Syndrome [02:45] mneptok: how so? [02:45] Hobbsee: not been folowing the GNOME soap opera the past 48 hours? [02:45] +l [02:47] http://planet.gnome.org [02:47] only vaguely [02:47] 21:43 < Hobbsee> one gets blasted for acting, or one gets blasted for not acting. pick your poison. (sounds like something jdub would be thinking) [02:48] ah yes, true [02:48] has that drama calmed down yet? [02:49] or is Gentoo Now Hiring? [02:49] emerge sanity [02:49] sorry, hard-masked ~arch :) [02:49] the gentoo guys certainly look 200% saner than us from what i can see. [02:49] perhaps 2000%, although perhaps i just haven't seen enough. [02:51] i'd rather have an insane community than an insane build system. [02:51] but that's me. [02:51] * jdong used to be deep into Gentoo-dom :) [02:52] it was a bit hectic and flaky at times... [02:52] can't say i disagree, but while i have nothing to contribute to the build system, i deal with the community to some extent. [02:52] mneptok: our build system is already crackful enough as it is. it doesn't need more crack, thanks. [02:53] Hobbsee: what we need are binary packages for *every configure option the app has* [02:54] * Hobbsee kills mneptok [02:54] sudo apt-get install apache2-with-threads-no-ssl-no-persistent-with-cgi [02:54] hehe :) [02:54] wooo! we'll show those --fomg-fast Gentooists! [02:55] argh. I shouldn't've looked at this channel when I'm this tired and...that...is being "discussed". my mind's natural defences to such things are in a weakened state. [02:56] * mneptok configures Dave2 with --background-enabled [02:56] * Dave2 looks behind him, sees his wall replaced with an Ubuntu logo [02:57] Dave2: don't. turn. around. [02:57] Dave2: are you following me? [02:57] oh man, did I miss a nice long debate again? [02:58] that's just not fair [02:58] nalioth, I couldn't if I tried! [02:58] "nice long debate" [02:58] uhm, yes [02:58] ah, nalioth... just the one I wanted to hunt down :) [02:59] * nalioth didn't do it [03:00] heh [03:00] unregistered (non-ubuntu) channel, ~10 people, noone has ops [03:00] what can I do? [03:00] depends on the channel [03:00] ask them all to leave? :) [03:01] asking them all to leave works if people aren't idling [03:01] which is a popular pastime on IRC [03:02] ajmitch: set +l 1 and wait for /quits and /parts and splits to do the work [03:02] oh. [03:03] duh. sorry. brain fart. [03:03] :) [03:03] * mneptok goes back to cleaning his brain with meth [03:03] if I could, it wouldn't be a problem [03:03] mneptok: no ops :| [03:05] oo! i know! [03:05] figlet 'YO YO YO HOMIES' | cowsay [03:05] then paste paste paste until everyone can't stand it anymore and leaves [03:05] we could always do it the efnet way [03:08] err [03:08] :) [03:51] vorian: +m only makes people not able to change nicks, it doesn't keep them from talking in other channels [03:52] Amaranth: it's the +i i was worried about [03:52] i i :) [03:52] same with +i [03:52] it just means they can't go there [03:53] vorian: Also, do you run some loco group? [03:53] yep :) [03:53] Ohio [03:53] you should move here [03:53] No, I meant some overarching group [03:54] hmm [03:54] difficult to explain [03:55] Amaranth: this will explain better than I could https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USTeams [03:56] btw, i would but the buckeyes suck :P [03:56] :) [03:56] I was going to say you should move here because it's always dreary [03:56] and flat [03:58] It's pretty flat in nebraska too [03:59] pfft, and you say the buckeyes suck [03:59] * vorian hides [04:02] Amaranth: since when are you in .ne? [04:03] vorian: I hate the cornhuskers too [04:03] nebraska has its own TLD? :o [04:03] mneptok: Well as far as the government is concerned I'm still in Iowa, at least until after the primaries :P [04:03] lol [04:03] Yay voter fraud [04:04] Amaranth: please use the term "gubmint" as long as a Texan is in the White House [04:04] Amaranth: don't you have to pay to vote in Iowa primaries? [04:04] *shrug* [04:04] mneptok: he's from Connecticut :) [04:04]