[00:14] LaserJock: I'd say that KDE3 will be the default for Hardy, so that's premature. There is still KDE3 bugfixing happening, just at a slow rate. [00:17] ScottK: right, but KDE upstream says the will be fixing it for KDE4 and it doesn't look like they will do anything for KDE3 [00:18] If that's true for a specific bug, then I think that's fine, but not as a general rule. [00:18] right [01:07] * bobesponja_ is back. === bobesponja_ is now known as bobesponja [03:15] are we releasing on time tomorrow? [03:15] anything super important you want in the release notes, speak up, or forever hold your peace [03:16] nixternal: hiya [03:16] wasabi homeskillet [03:17] sittin' in class learning some Ajax [03:17] and not the cleaning stuff, the javascript stuff :p [03:17] wow ajax [03:17] hiya nixternal, LaserJock! [03:17] wasabi Jucato [03:18] hi Jucato! [03:18] wasabi homeskillet... that just reminded me how hungry I am :/ [03:18] Jucato: remember how I told you about doing my release notes locally and what not? [03:18] nixternal: yeah [03:18] well, I decided to rm -rf ~/downloads/* [03:18] and it was in there :) [03:18] O.o [03:18] hehe [03:18] -_- [03:18] easy to recreate, no worries [03:18] 2nd time you managed to rm yourself :) [03:18] ya [03:18] probably way more than that [03:19] last time I know was your school project :) [03:19] nixternal: I doubt we care at this point, but the GPG and S/MIME by default stuff is currently broken unless Lure got another kdepim upload done today to fix it. [03:19] heh, you and the gpg/s/mime stuff :) [03:19] hm... I'm quite starving.. brb.. [03:19] me too [03:20] time for some cordon bleu... (can't spell it right) [03:20] :) [03:22] Well apparently one needs to watch this stuff full time or it gets forgotten when someone does merges. [03:32] * nixternal goes home [05:07] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Beta1/Kubuntu <-- got any reviewers? [05:10] Sure [05:11] nixternal: Beta1? [05:11] isn't that what it is? [05:11] nixternal: While I'm reading, you ought to check this one out: http://www.cheatneutral.com/ [05:11] nixternal: Alpha [05:12] shite [05:12] you know, Beta's a long ways down the road [05:12] don't touch the page, moving it :) [05:12] (moving moving moving...) [05:12] shesh, good thing we have proofreaders ;-) [05:13] gumba over here is gonna get everybody excited [05:13] ScottK: what the hell is that site? hahaha [05:13] * Jucato waits for it to be moved so he can proofread too :) [05:13] lol! cheatneutral :) [05:14] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha1/Kubuntu <-- much better :) [05:14] nixternal: Spoof on carbon offsetting. Pretty good, huh. [05:14] * Jucato wonders if that's a firefox there.... :) [05:14] ahh, hahahahaha, that is a good one there...I didn't even catch that [05:14] nixternal: heading still says BETA 1 [05:14] ScottK: I saw that the other day, can't believe somebody took the time to create that site [05:14] shush, I am fixing that...I just renamed the page [05:15] lol [05:16] nixternal: How about Kaffeine codecs autoinstallation? See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-November/002054.html [05:16] now its fixed [05:16] codecs aye [05:17] "Pre-release version of Hardy are NOT encouraged for anyone " - s/version/versions/ [05:17] so all the codec autoinstall does is install libxine1-ffmpeg now? [05:18] so I am guessing if you go to open up a file with this it will automatically install the codec then? since there isn't any documentation for it worth a damn? [05:21] "The latest updates for KNetworkManager in the Hardy Heron..." -- in Hardy Heron [05:21] hmmm... knm has added support for PPP... but still no PPPoE ADSL? O.o [05:21] codecs included, and I hate the name "Hardy Heron" by the way..it is damn tough to keep typing [05:22] "development cycle, represent" -> "development cycle, represents" ? [05:22] damn! I missed that... [05:22] !ohmy | Jucato [05:23] yeah, throw a quarter in the swear jar [05:23] that's what you get for copy and pasting that top part...it needs to be rewritten anyways [05:23] hm... I kinda find it weird that we're just announcing NTFS read/write support now... even if it's already enabled since Gutsy... but since we didn't announce it back then... [05:24] Jucato: well if it was enabled in Gutsy, it sure as hell didn't work for anyone at the Gutsy install fest that installed Kubuntu, and plus there is a recent changelog that says it was added in a recent update [05:25] hm... maybe ntfs-3g was just installed by default... but not enabled? :/ [05:25] you could read NTFS drives if your machine felt like it, but you couldn't write to it [05:25] ya, it wasn't enabled for us [05:25] us = Kubuntu? but installed and enabled for Ubuntu? [05:25] I'm pretty sure it was in the Ubuntu announcement [05:26] yeah. I showed it before. [05:26] which I couuld care less if it is enabled or not...I enjoyed watching the ntfs-3g guy showing it off at a LUG meeting and it destroyed the NTFS partition on his laptop [05:26] and on a fresh Gutsy install, I got ntfs-3g installed by default... but didn't want to test it :) [05:26] it was enabled for Ubuntu, but it wasn't enabled for Kubuntu [05:26] * Jucato doesn't "own" the Windows partition... so better not mess around there [05:26] aah... phooey :P [05:27] nixternal: really? how awful *cough*sweet [05:27] and if you have vista on your partition, which many people do nowadays, and use ntfs-3g, watch out now [05:27] LaserJock: hahaha, ya we all about peed ourselves laughing at him [05:27] he said that was the first time he ever seen it, yet we had 3 other people reproduce it with vista on the 1st partition [05:27] poor guy... but serves him right :P [05:28] ya, but it didn't serve the newbs right who wanted to dual boot linux on their machines :( [05:28] this guy came to the meeting decked with a red fedora and everything...and left with a bit of humiliation [05:29] he will be at the meeting on Saturday, and I am going to ask him if he feels like wrecking another ntfs partition just for fun..then I will buy him a beer afterwards :) [05:30] Riddell: here you go mastah -> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha1/Kubuntu !!! no screenies though, hope that is OK...I will get my screeny box up and running this week so I can get some good ones for the next release notes [05:31] nixternal: you try the KDE4 LiveCD yet? [05:31] nope [05:31] I build from svn, so using the LiveCD would be regression for me unfortunately [05:32] pfft [05:32] and I am trying to use KDE 4 100% of the time now..I am at about 95% full time usage [05:32] cool [05:32] and it actually all builds? :-) [05:32] 5% being when I give presentations [05:32] all but some parts of extragear build perfectly [05:33] only thing I use out of extragear though is for plasma, and that all builds fine [05:33] nixternal: you have it set up to build with your regular account? or do you install it systemwide? [05:33] regular account [05:34] I am going to do a server install, and then build a system wide setup with it [05:37] (sounds familiar...) [05:37] :) [05:37] ya, you stole the idea from me...I patented it btw, so I think you owe me money [05:38] I can argue that I've done that since KDE 3.5.x :P [05:38] I can argue I have done that since 1.x :p [05:38] since Windows 3.1 even! [05:38] hell, I used to use Slackware remember :D [05:38] bwahahah! [05:38] hahahaha [05:38] ass [05:39] my first computer I bought came with 3.1...but nothing worked on it [05:39] researching "how to fix windows" led me to Linux [05:39] I had fun with 3.1... that was my world back then. of course MS-DOS was my first OS :) [05:40] grrr! now I have to monitor the news... stupid rebels.. :( [05:40] bbl... [05:48] nixternal: I've used Gutsy Kubuntu LiveCDs a couple of times to do A/V scans on Windows machines with NTFS partitions with no trouble (including writing to them). There was one extra bit I had to install to make it easy to mount them, but that's it. [05:49] * ScottK is trying to remember his first OS. [05:49] It was something before CP/M. [05:58] the first OS in our house that I remember was Unix Version 7 when my mom worked for ComDisco [05:59] Well the first thing in our house was a Radio Shack TRS-80 Model i (with 4K RAM). [05:59] hmm, my first computer was a 386 with DOS and shortly thereafter Windows 3.1 [06:00] hehe, that was the first computer I really played with [06:00] I'm a newb [06:00] Youngster [06:00] ScottK: do you remember the Tandy RS-...I swore they called it a trash80, but it was just a very streamlined silver and black keyboard that you would hook up to your tv [06:00] * Jucato grumbles and mumbles... [06:00] I need to google for it [06:01] my dad worked for Panasonic at the time and they were in cahoots with Tandy at the time and he brought about 100 of these damn keyboards home...everyone in the neighborhood had a computer [06:01] That's the one. Trash 80 was the colloquial name for TRS-80. It fit. [06:01] ya [06:01] hahaha [06:01] My Dad decided the kids needed a computer for Christmas. [06:01] I had the big ass trash 80 to start with [06:02] then I had an atari, then the vic20 and then the commodore64 [06:02] He knew about TRS-80 and Apple ][ === _czessi is now known as Czessi [06:02] * LaserJock has never even seen an atari or commodore64 [06:02] One was $600 and the other was $1350. Guess which one we got? [06:02] hehe [06:03] * ScottK never owned a Vic-20 or a Commodore 64, but I did sell them. [06:03] I remember the first PC my parents bought, it was like $4000, and it was a damn 286 [06:03] We later got an Apple ][. [06:03] only Apple I ever used was in school [06:03] Then I went Mac. [06:04] we were to poor for an Apple :) [06:04] The first PC I ever owned was a P133 laptop I bought in 1996 because there was no Office 95 for Mac on the horizon at all. [06:05] I dealt with CP/M on my Apple ][ with a Z80 board. [06:05] So I guess I've never actually used DOS much at all. [06:05] But CP/M ~ DOS from a user perspective anyway. [06:08] * ScottK needs to get to bed. [06:09] * Jucato waves good night as he monitors some uprising/coup brewing... [06:31] hi, guys! [06:46] Riddel: Jonathan? === Shely is now known as MJ086 === \sh_away is now known as \sh === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde === Lure_ is now known as Lure [13:12] mornin' [13:13] Hobbsee: are you going to send out an e-mail announcing the meeting? [13:13] hola nixternal [13:13] mm. i really should. [13:14] yasoo [13:14] everyone is stealing my latin thunder, so now I shall go greek! [13:15] so did we release alpha 1 today? (and not beta 1) :) [13:15] :P [13:15] nixternal: ? [13:15] aaa [13:15] hehe [13:15] Alpha definately [13:15] we got cdimages to stop making gutsy CDs [13:16] but the hardy CDs don't boot [13:16] lol [13:16] lovely [13:16] * Tm_T got 5 Kubuntu cds from shipit today [13:16] ...I asked a "few" more than that though [13:16] out of 300 CDs sent from shipit for the loco, that is about how many Kubuntu CDs you get [13:17] yeh [13:17] the loco? [13:17] or the locos? [13:19] for ubuntu chicago [13:20] heh [13:20] IIRC whole finnish loco have had only ~30 Kubuntu cds total this far [13:27] hey folks :) [13:27] well hello sebastian^ [13:29] * nixternal wishes crimsun would come back and work on audio stuff again...once again the intel audio is freakin' goofy [13:30] mornin' johnny boy [13:40] morning nixternal [13:40] Lure: you seem to be down for the digikam merge, have you looked at it? [13:41] I remember something about waiting for a new version [13:42] current digikam shouldn't be installable. [13:42] oh, might be, if the old binaries are still there [13:42] Hobbsee: I see you're down for libmtp, got time for such merging? [13:43] what, again? [13:43] is the alpha this week or next week? [13:43] oh [13:43] jjesse: this one [13:43] Riddell: no, as I am waiting for digikam 0.9.3 rc to get in debian first [13:43] Riddell: currently there is not much value in merge [13:43] Riddell: doko's commented in a bug about it, someone's done the merge on LP, nad i'm quite happy continuing to ignore it [13:43] Riddell: and 0.9.3 will need more work due to updated dependancies [13:43] er, in the bug that i uploaded a fix for [13:43] about how mine was wrong, iirc [13:44] jjesse: when it's ready (due today but unlikely to happen) [13:45] oh cool [13:48] however we may have CDs at some point for testing [13:48] i'll help test cds if and when they are ready [14:03] hey, and we have release notes for it as well :) [14:12] go go nixternal [14:20] is that like inspector gadget? go go nixternal rockets [14:24] Currently we expect preliminary CD images to become available Thursday for [14:24] testing, but Alpha 1 should not be expected until Friday. We'll keep you [14:24] informed as things progress. [14:25] | Please help testing the Alpha 1 images: https://iso.qa.stgraber.org". [14:29] libqtwebkit0d - Web content engine library for Qt [14:29] * nixternal huggles Riddell! [14:29] Hobbsee: Ubuntu only? [14:30] nothing to do with me, webkitkde is still in New to actually do something with it [14:30] Jucato: no idea. [14:30] * nixternal can't wait [14:30] I was playing with webkit and epiphany a couple of weeks ago...pretty nifty [14:30] Hobbsee: only Ubunu ALternate amd64 and i386 on that page [14:30] Jucato: then presumably kubuntu is still going, ask Riddell [14:31] * nixternal can only imaging Konqi has WebKit and not KHTML....drooling as we speak [14:31] * nixternal can't spell either [14:31] Hobbsee: wokey :) [14:31] nixternal: noticed :) [14:31] imagine is that one word that always gets me when typing [14:31] I always add the *g* instead of the *e* [14:31] it's teh for me [14:31] :) [14:32] that's alright....we did an impromptu writing in class yesterday, and I did the unthinkable [14:32] I spelled my last name wrong [14:32] lol [14:32] O.o [14:33] I used to joke the only reason I got points on a test was because I spelled my name correctly...if that was the case, yesterday would have been a 0 [14:34] * nixternal goes to class [14:34] later [14:35] good luck :) [14:35] i all, where is the best place to report kubuntu specific kde bugs in Hardy? I'm asking because it seems that the bugs on Launchpad are completely unmaintained.... :-( [14:37] RoadRunnR: It only seems that way. [14:37] ScottK: depends on the package [14:37] True [14:38] * ScottK was reading a lot into 'completely'. [14:38] RoadRunnR: launchpad is the official place, you can also try moaning here [14:38] ScottK: I was reading a lot into "unmaintained" :) [14:38] RoadRunnR: we're not really in bug fixing mode currently, it's the start of the cycle [14:38] don feel like moaning ;-) .... although debian had the fix like 2 weeks ago.... and it's kdm [14:39] * Hobbsee will admit to not looking at bugs for kde for the last while, with plans to start up again unlikely [14:39] Hobbsee: sob :( [14:39] RoadRunnR: what's the issue? [14:39] Hobbsee: but whatever make you happy, makes me glad :) [14:40] missing consolkit support in kdm, breaks mounting USB sticks in Doplhin... [14:40] RoadRunnR: oh aye, that's on my radar indeed [14:41] ok, i did file a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/172281 but it was only 2 days ago, so i think its to early to "moan" ;-) [14:41] Launchpad bug 172281 in kdebase "kdm: Please add support for ConsoleKit" [Undecided,New] [14:41] RoadRunnR: if you fancy doing a debdiff I can upload straight away, otherwise I'll get round to it today or tomorrow === \sh is now known as \sh_away [14:43] Riddell: mhh, i'll have a look, might still be tomorrow before i have time for it :-( [14:44] RoadRunnR: let me know if you need any help [14:45] Riddell: the problem is more finding the time for it [14:47] a common problem that [14:53] Mr Riddell testing time is here again :) [14:54] yo davmor2 [14:54] high five [14:54] I see we're oversized, I wonder if I need to rebuild the livefs [14:54] higher I'm further up than you :) [14:56] Probably let you know asap just wiping gutsy in order to burn hardy :) By the way only testing 64 bit at heno's request as his are in oslo and he is now in oxford [14:58] davmor2: these won't be the final images, but still worth testing since they are the first ever hardy images and anything could go wrong [14:59] heno has just vbox'ed kub 32bit and it's fine [14:59] wow, impressive [14:59] got a new laptop too so might find new flaws :) [15:05] Riddell: ruphy said we would send you a link to 100 or so best wallpapers [15:06] ouch [15:07] kwwii: and I don't get anything... as usual -.- [15:08] kwwii: that would be great [15:08] Serega! [15:08] Riddell: Hi! [15:08] that kaffeine patch works a charm [15:09] apachelogger: I told him to hide them from you :p [15:09] of course you did, everyone does ... I might become too allmighty :P [15:09] still, you can't prevent this [15:09] muhahahahaa [15:09] Riddell: I wish to ask you about an immodest thing ;) can we addCredit my name in main.cpp? [15:10] Riddell: If it is too early to do this, just say me [15:10] Riddell: is that like a nicorette patch but to keep dev awake :) [15:11] Oo [15:11] davmor2: ho ho ho [15:11] best description of that patch ever heard [15:11] Serega: don't see why not, so long as the patch is sent upstream when it's ready [15:11] davmor2: ye should patent that [15:12] * Serega is happy :) [15:13] Riddell: I'm quite idle for performing the next task [15:13] hi, the "service menu" for deb packages, is removed from gutsy? [15:13] snikker: yes [15:14] replaced by gdebi-kde [15:16] Riddell: seemed to burn am testing now [15:17] * Serega scrolls up and thanks Riddell for compliment [15:18] * apachelogger gives everyone a cookie [15:18] apachelogger: thank you for answer. i install it now :-) [15:20] Riddell: can you email? i can't think of anything witty to say, and my head is hurting [15:22] Hobbsee: sure [15:23] Serega: well that css script could do with being written [15:23] thx [15:25] Riddell: with pleasure [15:27] * Serega learns PyQt4 so the script likely will be rewritten in python [15:27] hi rdieter [15:28] Serega: for downloading and installing something it might actually be easier in bash, using kdialog and xdg-copy or the like [15:28] I say might since nothing is very easy in bash [15:28] Riddell: hiya [15:28] and we do like python [15:29] I started to like it too :) [15:30] Riddell: as I understand the general strategy is to download the package via wget and just install it via gdebi [15:30] right? [15:32] Riddell: another one: do it simultaneously with the libxine installation or DVD is a standalone case dur to law issues? [15:32] s/dur/due [15:33] Serega: we want it to be graphical so kfmclient rather than wget [15:33] infact `kfmclient exec http://foo/..deb` might be all that's needed [15:34] Riddell: ooh, thanks [15:34] I don't really mind if it's separate or not, it can be easily remove either way if there's objections [15:35] Riddell: what temprorary area to use? [15:35] ooh... [15:35] shouldn't care with 'exec' [15:35] exactly [15:35] Serega: we also need to install libdvdread3 [15:35] pretty nice [15:36] I've frogot it, so libxine-ffmpeg, dvdcss and dvdread? [15:38] Riddell: I got a pop up window saying that a new 78gb drive had become available. Don't think that should happen :( [15:45] davmor2: during install? [15:45] yes on the live cd [15:45] Serega: yep [15:45] desktop sorry [15:45] davmor2: but during the install or just starting the live session? [15:46] during install I think it happen after it had wiped the hard drive but it throws up a window with cancel on it [15:47] above the install progress window sorry premature enter hitting [15:49] Riddell: other than that everything seems okay :) [15:50] well not a critical beastie for a first alpha [15:52] Riddell: kdesudo not working on admin mode for setting might be though :) [15:54] just clicked onto system settings. Then monitor and display and hit the administor mode button and got error kdesudo command not found window [15:57] when will be the first alpha? [15:57] Serega: tomorrow I believe [15:57] ooohh... [15:58] there was an announcement that alpha1 testing owuld start friday [15:58] kool [15:58] where can I read more about it? [15:59] kubuntu.org is silent :( [15:59] it was sent to ubuntu-announce mailing list [16:07] Riddell: heno just went for the install and got the same new device issue as me [16:20] Heya [16:23] bddebian: Hello. [16:23] Hi ScottK [17:43] Lure: do you know if there's plans for a libgphoto2 merge? === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [18:05] * apachelogger fires up amarok [18:06] ahoy krasu [18:06] I do love amarok daap, I just wish it didn't play every track twice [18:06] apachelogger: hi [18:06] Riddell: that doesn't sound like expected behaviour, did you tell eean? [18:07] not yet [18:07] krasu: I was working on the ksquirrel package the whole afternoon [18:07] * apachelogger is quite exhausted [18:08] krasu: you might consider to not reuse that much code :P [18:08] I have to list all the copyrights and licenses [18:08] awful work for the libs [18:08] apachelogger: reusing code is OSS advantage :) [18:09] krasu: well, you could just introduce a build dependency against $SOURCEFILE ;-) [18:09] anyway [18:09] I also noticed some other quirks [18:09] apachelogger: I'm working on Konqueror interation now, it's almost done... [18:10] integration [18:10] please tell me that you didn't import code from konqueror :-P [18:10] if not I have to say.. ARRRR :D [18:11] krasu: is there a special reason why libksquirrel-libs-png.so is installed into lib and not lib/ksquirrel? [18:11] hehe, no. it's KPart object to let Konqueror open images with KSquirrel's code [18:11] sounds awesome [18:11] apachelogger: it's not a ksquirrel-libs codec, so it is installed in /usr/lib [18:12] Riddell: alt kubuntu crashes out [18:12] davmor2: at what point? [18:12] krasu: well, technically I'd have to create a seperate package for it since the soname doesn't match the package name [18:12] just checking now [18:13] apachelogger: Should I change soname? [18:14] debootstrap: E: No pkgdetails available [18:14] krasu: I think that would cause problems ;-) [18:14] W: libksquirrel0: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libksquirrel-libs-png0 libksquirrel-libs0 [18:15] though I think we can ignore that issue if you can't think of a solution [18:15] Riddell: right? [18:15] davmor2: I suspect that's a known problem [18:15] riddell: it happen on xub alt too [18:15] davmor2: yeah, must be then, new images should be around at some point [18:15] np [18:15] apachelogger: you don't need to create separate packages for each library if the library is just used by the one app [18:15] apachelogger: the solution is to give libksquirrel-libs-png same soname, for example 0.7.6 ? [18:16] Riddell: ok [18:16] apachelogger: currently it is 0.0.0 [18:16] if the library is only used by one application just keep it all within the one package [18:16] krasu: just forget about it [18:16] * apachelogger marks as ignore [18:17] krasu: also a master of the universe asked if you could keep changelogs [18:17] apachelogger: ChangeLog is in source package [18:17] oh [18:17] krasu: for the libs as well [18:18] well [18:18] apachelogger: aha. ksquirrel-libs doesn't have changelog:) [18:18] 0.7.6 will be the first :) [18:19] ok :) [18:19] And I don't know what to write there:) [18:19] krasu: the changes :P [18:19] well, best thing is to just keep one changelog and ensure it gets included in both tarballs [18:20] I forgot that KSquirrel has ChangeLog for both :) [18:20] apachelogger: well, what about fork()-s? [18:21] I think I misunderstood you there [18:21] krasu: you just access the libs, right? [18:21] apachelogger: right [18:21] krasu: ok, but the note about dcraw is wrong [18:21] * CAMERA library installs its own dcraw version 8.60. dcraw is by (C) Dave Coffin, [18:21] which is free redistributable if no source code modification were applied [18:22] dcraw is free as by GPL, only it got special section which have to be made available at all costs, if one doesn't do that one needs to get a license from the author, rewrite or remove entirely [18:24] *If you have not modified dcraw.c in any way, a link to my homepage qualifies as "full source code". [18:25] krasu: I suggest just copy'n'paste the description [18:26] into COPYNG file? [18:26] yep [18:26] or maybe just the most important information [18:30] apachelogger: Well, was dcraw the only problem? [18:30] hm [18:30] no [18:30] krasu: where is the redeye code copyright in ksquirrel? [18:30]