| Balaams_Miracle | Fujitsu: You had me curious, so i added up the percentages too. It's not exacly 100% but (according to gcalctool) 99.99%. This looks like bug #104024, with the differece that "need review" also show no translatables. | 00:06 |
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| ubotu | Launchpad bug 104024 in rosetta "Untranslated filter shows no strings, but percentage untranslated < 100%" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104024 | 00:06 |
| poolie | mpt, i'd really really like if it was easier to edit bug tags | 00:20 |
| poolie | like from the edit status dialog-thing | 00:20 |
| Fujitsu | poolie: bug #76095, bug #127138 | 00:23 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 76095 in xwpe "xwpe fails to work properly in AMD64" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76095 | 00:23 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 127138 in malone "Can't add/remove tags while changing a bug's status" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127138 | 00:23 |
| Fujitsu | Erm, first one is wrong. | 00:23 |
| Fujitsu | Bug #76085 | 00:23 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 76085 in malone "A bug report should be entirely modifiable in the bug page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76085 | 00:23 |
| poolie | uh, also i guess we need bug voting ;-) | 00:23 |
| Fujitsu | malone-me-too, targetted for 1.2.3 or so, IIRC. | 00:24 |
| Fujitsu | Or perhaps vote-system, or bug #149775. | 00:25 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 149775 in ubuntu "Adding tags and voting on bug reports" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149775 | 00:25 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #172689 in rosetta "Filter shows no strings when there are untranslated strings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172689 | 00:30 |
| * mpt hugs Fujitsu | 00:55 | |
| * Fujitsu hugs mpt back. | 00:57 | |
| Fujitsu | What did I do this time? | 00:57 |
| * Hobbsee waves | 01:04 | |
| * ajmitch waves at Hobbsee | 01:05 | |
| * Fujitsu drops a Launchpad on Hobbsee. | 01:05 | |
| Hobbsee | heya Fujitsu! | 01:06 |
| * Hobbsee catches the launchpad, and spins it around like a cube | 01:06 | |
| Fujitsu | Nooo. | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | more shiny spinning cubes... | 01:06 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: Haha. | 01:07 |
| Fujitsu | mpt: Oh, was that about the voting/UI references that I gave above? | 01:10 |
| mpt | Fujitsu, yes | 01:18 |
| Fujitsu | mpt: Ah, that makes more sense. | 01:23 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172702 in malone "Bug assignee list searches users of all launchpad projects" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172702 | 02:05 |
| jefferai | can anyone tell me how I can search for a member of launchpad? | 02:56 |
| jefferai | I'm trying to find a specific person on there | 02:56 |
| jefferai | their contact page | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | launchpad.net/people and use the search? | 02:56 |
| jefferai | see, why is there no link to that page... | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | i have no idea.... | 02:57 |
| jefferai | Hobbsee: when I see code in launchpad, is that some internal ubuntu copy, or what? | 02:57 |
| LaserJock | I've never really understood why there wasn't a link to people/ from the frontpage | 02:58 |
| jefferai | I'm specifically looking at this: https://code.launchpad.net/~taglib-developers/taglib/taglib.ext | 02:58 |
| LaserJock | jefferai: well that's code from the taglib-developers team on Launchpad | 02:58 |
| jefferai | yeah, but how do I know how that syncs up with upstream? | 02:58 |
| jefferai | there's also "trunk" and "taglib.ext" | 02:59 |
| jefferai | trunk looks to be newer | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | hard to say | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | it's up to the team members | 02:59 |
| poolie | thumper, ping? | 03:01 |
| thumper | poolie: pong | 03:01 |
| poolie | just wanted to point you to jefferai's question - and how that might be more clear in the ui | 03:01 |
| jefferai | like trunk looks like it's upstream trunk | 03:02 |
| jefferai | but in that case, is taglib.ext the one packaged with Ubuntu, or trunk? | 03:02 |
| jefferai | when are they synced up? | 03:02 |
| jefferai | etc | 03:02 |
| LaserJock | jefferai: you'd have to ask the owner | 03:02 |
| LaserJock | jefferai: it's not specific to Ubuntu I wouldn't think | 03:02 |
| poolie | well, you can see lukas merged from svn about 6 weeks ago | 03:03 |
| jefferai | right, I do see that | 03:03 |
| poolie | i agree this is not a packaging branch | 03:03 |
| thumper | jefferai: trunk is an imported branch | 03:04 |
| thumper | I have been considering badging or somehow otherwise identifying the different branch types | 03:04 |
| jefferai | so that is imported from kde svn, then? | 03:04 |
| jefferai | and that is then merged into taglib.ext? | 03:04 |
| jefferai | taglib.ext sounds like it means "external" i.e. from kde svn, but it doesn't | 03:05 |
| thumper | jefferai: https://edge.launchpad.net/taglib/trunk shows that trunk is imported from svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/kdesupport/taglib | 03:06 |
| jefferai | ok | 03:06 |
| thumper | jefferai: I'll be the first to agree that this is somewhat ackward | 03:06 |
| jefferai | whatever edge is | 03:06 |
| thumper | jefferai: and there are plans in motion now to make the UI better around import branches | 03:06 |
| thumper | jefferai: sorry, edge is running the latest code | 03:06 |
| thumper | jefferai: and as a LP developer I get automaticly redirected to use edge | 03:07 |
| thumper | jefferai: as to the launchpad beta testers | 03:07 |
| jefferai | ah, ok | 03:07 |
| LaserJock | who would know about a vcs-import that doesn't seem to be updating? | 03:21 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: File an answer against launchpad-bazaar. | 03:21 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: isn't that file aquestion? | 03:22 |
| LaserJock | *a question | 03:22 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: You file bugs in Launchpad Bugs, so therefor you file answers in Launchpad Answers. QED. | 03:22 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 03:22 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: when does has that logic ever held? ;-) | 03:23 |
| LaserJock | s/does// | 03:23 |
| * ajmitch drinks | 03:23 | |
| * Fujitsu files some translations. | 03:23 | |
| Zelut | can someone point me to a reference on how to push my project code to code.launchpad.net/projectname? | 04:03 |
| Fujitsu | Zelut: You don't push directly to project. You push to a branch. | 04:06 |
| LaserJock | https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/EasyBranching perhaps | 04:06 |
| Fujitsu | Although once you've created a branch, you can set it to be the trunk, and then you can branch/push directly from the project URL. | 04:06 |
| Zelut | I basically want to update what I already have here | 04:07 |
| Zelut | https://code.launchpad.net/folding | 04:07 |
| Fujitsu | Zelut: Right. You want to push to sftp://christer.edwards@bazaar.launchpad.net/~christer.edwards/folding/main | 04:09 |
| Zelut | I don't recall the bazaar syntax. We use cvs at the office so I always forget. | 04:10 |
| Fujitsu | Zelut: bzr push someurl | 04:11 |
| Fujitsu | Though you'll need to bzr co it first. | 04:11 |
| Fujitsu | Er, bzr branch | 04:11 |
| Zelut | from within the ~/myproject folder I assume? | 04:11 |
| Fujitsu | Is said folder a brach? | 04:11 |
| Fujitsu | *branch | 04:11 |
| Fujitsu | The link LaserJock gave above is probably a good reference. | 04:12 |
| tonyyarusso | Is the build system portion of LP OSS yet? | 04:18 |
| Fujitsu | tonyyarusso: No. | 04:18 |
| tonyyarusso | Fujitsu: phooey. | 04:18 |
| Fujitsu | The only noticeable part of Launchpad that has been released is storm, and that's not even used in the main branch yet... | 04:19 |
| tonyyarusso | That's super-lame, frankly. | 04:21 |
| lamont | dear launchpad, is there any way to identify the signer of the source.changes file? | 05:36 |
| Fujitsu | lamont: Pipe it through GPG? | 05:37 |
| Fujitsu | Query the database with the SQL powers you don't have? | 05:38 |
| lamont | heh | 05:39 |
| lamont | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/newt/0.52.2-11.1ubuntu1 would be an example | 05:40 |
| Fujitsu | Ask Keybuk; MoM does it. | 05:40 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172727 in launchpad "People page (/people) is too hard to find" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172727 | 05:40 |
| lamont | oh, properly munging the changes file would have a significant effect. | 05:41 |
| Fujitsu | How are they improperly munged? | 05:42 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172729 in launchpad "show target milestone in (some?) bug lists and on the bug page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172729 | 05:45 |
| lamont | Fujitsu: if I had properly munged the chages file before I uploaded, it would be different.. | 06:26 |
| lamont | OTOH, I'm pretty sure that changes file looked just like all the other sponsored uploads I've done for debian as well, so ... | 06:26 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172735 in launchpad-bazaar "Branch page advises people to join a restricted team" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172735 | 07:01 |
| SAL123 | What is the .changes file required by dput? I have my own deb package and want to build it for more ubuntu releases. | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | SAL123: you need a source package | 07:20 |
| SAL123 | LaserJock: What is the source package? How I can create it? | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | which is made up generally of .dsc, .diff.gz, and .orig.tar.gz files | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | SAL123: well, if you can't find one from the same source you got the .deb you'll need to make one | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | !packagingguide | 07:21 |
| ubotu | packagingguide is The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | ^^ that can help you | 07:21 |
| SAL123 | Is the pbuilder package required to create my source package? | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | no required really | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | but suggested | 07:24 |
| SAL123 | It contains many dependencies and I want to leave my chrooted ubuntu small. | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | well, pbuilder actually cuts down on dependencies | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | but does take up quite a bit of disk space | 07:25 |
| SAL123 | LaserJock: PackagingGuide says about pbuilder to create the source package. Any other way? I have my .dsc and orig package build by dephelper tools (my package from debian). | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | oh ok | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | then you need to install the build depdencies | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | or way | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | *wait | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | you just want to build a source package? or a .deb? | 07:27 |
| SAL123 | LaserJock: My deb builds fine, just I can't find a source package on my disk. | 07:31 |
| SAL123 | -rw-r--r-- 1 ondrejj ondrejj 577 Oct 12 19:16 sagator_1.0.0-0beta27.dsc | 07:31 |
| SAL123 | -rw-r--r-- 1 ondrejj ondrejj 214657 Oct 12 19:15 sagator_1.0.0-0beta27.tar.gz | 07:31 |
| SAL123 | -rw-r--r-- 1 ondrejj ondrejj 361462 Oct 12 19:16 sagator_1.0.0-0beta27_all.deb | 07:31 |
| Fujitsu | Ew, native. | 07:31 |
| SAL123 | that are my packages build from my source, there is no "patch" required, because it is my own project and it has all included in sources. | 07:32 |
| Fujitsu | SAL123: The source package is that .dsc and .tar.gz. | 07:32 |
| Fujitsu | Ah... | 07:32 |
| Fujitsu | However, you need a .changes. How are you building it? | 07:32 |
| SAL123 | Fujitsu: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 07:33 |
| Fujitsu | SAL123: I recommend that you build with `debuild -S'. | 07:33 |
| SAL123 | Fujitsu: I want to avoid installing all required dependecies, if it is possible. | 07:36 |
| LaserJock | SAL123: debuild -S is what you want | 07:37 |
| Fujitsu | SAL123: You should also be test-building, so will need the build-dependencies anyway... | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | it's a wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage that also does the signing | 07:37 |
| SAL123 | A lot of X* applications, spell checkers and more packages required py pdebuild. I want to use launchpad to build my packages and free some disk space, not use more of them. :( | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | well, it's not very idea to not test your packages at all | 07:40 |
| LaserJock | *ideal | 07:40 |
| LaserJock | you can save yourself a lot of trouble using pbuilder rather than waiting for a build to fail on Launchpad | 07:41 |
| Fujitsu | You should always test the build locally first; PPAs are not a test-building dumping ground. | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | SAL123: the dependecies should take all that much disk space | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | depending on the package | 07:42 |
| Fujitsu | s/should/shouldn't./ | 07:42 |
| Fujitsu | s/\.// | 07:42 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 07:42 |
| SAL123 | hmm, my package builds well with dpkg-buildpackage | 07:43 |
| LaserJock | right | 07:43 |
| Fujitsu | Oh, you're using *p*debuild? | 07:43 |
| SAL123 | builds well on 2 debians, one ubuntu, fedora, suse, gentoo | 07:43 |
| LaserJock | ok, well if you're building it already then it shouldn't be a problem right? | 07:43 |
| SAL123 | all of them (except gentoo) builds automatically in my chroots. | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | ok, then that would be at least some for of testing, although not as thorough as pbuilder | 07:45 |
| SAL123 | Each beta/rc/stable release is built automatically in chroot and put into proper repository on my web. But I am limited with disk space and want to add more supported distributions, for example more ubuntu versions now. | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | well, pbuilders are very nice for that | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | because it is a compressed chroot environment that stays clean | 07:48 |
| SAL123 | Is it working to chroot in another chroot? | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | in any case, at a minimum if you have a .dsc and .tar.gz you can run debuild -S instead of dpkg-buildpackage and you should get a .changes file | 07:49 |
| SAL123 | I have no real ubuntu installed, just an chrooted one. :) | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | SAL123: you can install it in the chroot | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | or in a Debian install if you have one | 07:50 |
| SAL123 | LaserJock: ok, I will try, there is no other option for me :( | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | it would be nice if you didn't have it as a native package (where the debian/ director is a part of the tar.gz) but that's up to you | 07:51 |
| SAL123 | After unpacking 528MB will be used. Wrrr.... :( | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | SAL123: what is that for? | 07:53 |
| SAL123 | LaserJock: aptitude install pdebuild | 07:53 |
| LaserJock | SAL123: try aptitude -r install pbuilder | 07:53 |
| SAL123 | LaserJock: Much better, just 4 MB. It will work? | 07:54 |
| LaserJock | yep | 07:54 |
| SAL123 | LaserJock: Thanks. It's an ideal solution for me. :-) | 07:55 |
| LaserJock | well | 07:56 |
| LaserJock | it'll get bigger | 07:56 |
| LaserJock | the compressed chroot will take ~100MB | 07:56 |
| LaserJock | and you'll need enough disk space to actually build the thing, but it cleans up when it's done | 07:56 |
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| LaserJock | and it's fairly easy to have pbuilders for multiple Ubuntu/Debian versions | 07:57 |
| LaserJock | so you can have one Ubuntu chroot with multiple pbuilders to build for various releases | 07:57 |
| LaserJock | rather than creating several different chroots | 07:57 |
| SAL123 | LaserJock: I know, similiar application for Fedora is named mock. :) | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | ah yes | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | we had the guy who made mock come by the other day | 08:02 |
| carlos | morning | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | well, time for bed | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | carlos: hi .. bye | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | SAL123: good luck | 08:03 |
| carlos | LaserJock: good night! | 08:04 |
| SAL123 | My package has been uploaded by dput, do I need to request a build? | 08:04 |
| SAL123 | I can't find it on Ubuntu builds page. | 08:04 |
| SAL123 | LaserJock: Thank you. :) | 08:05 |
| LaserJock | SAL123: make sure to read through the PPA Quick Start guide | 08:05 |
| LaserJock | https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart | 08:05 |
| * LaserJock out | 08:05 | |
| SAL123 | LaserJock: already read, it says only that If the build fails, you will receive a failure notification. | 08:05 |
| SAL123 | The quickstart is very quick, usable just for experienced packagers. | 08:06 |
| oly- | hi, i have my project hosted on launchpad, im looking ito getting it translated and noticed launchpad has a translation feature, but it wants a .pol file what are these and where can i find information about how to create them ? | 08:53 |
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| SAL123 | The icomming directory in dput.cf must always end with "ubuntu"? | 08:59 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172747 in soyuz "copy-package.py claims package isn't in -proposed when a -backports version exists" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172747 | 09:00 |
| soren | SAL123: For PPA's, yes. | 09:00 |
| mrevell | morning | 09:13 |
| carlos | oly-: hi | 09:14 |
| carlos | oly-: a .pot file is the file format used by gettext library to translate applications | 09:14 |
| carlos | there are some tools to convert from other file formats into .pot files so you can use Launchpad for translations | 09:15 |
| SAL123 | soren: And what if I missed and sent my package with wrong directory? | 09:18 |
| soren | SAL123: Probably nothing. | 09:19 |
| oly- | okay, carlos thxs will look into gettext library, | 09:19 |
| carlos | oly-: what application are we talking about? | 09:20 |
| oly- | a python application, basically web managment tool | 09:21 |
| oly- | its all in english at moment, never tried to add support for translations in the passed so looking into it | 09:21 |
| SAL123 | soren: Right. It's my problem. What now? I can't upload it again, because it says that it is already uploaded. | 09:21 |
| soren | SAL123: dput -f ppa asdfasdfasdf.changes | 09:21 |
| soren | SAL123: ^^ | 09:22 |
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| SAL123 | soren: thanks | 09:22 |
| SAL123 | What must be in my .dput.cf in []? The user name or the package name? Must be followed by -ppa? | 09:51 |
| doko | how can I add a hosted branch for a team in LP? | 09:59 |
| doko | "You cannot assign a +junk branch to a team. Create a project first." | 10:01 |
| carlos | oly-: python documentation documents how to use gettext | 10:13 |
| oly- | yeah found that, also found an example tutorial to look at | 10:13 |
| oly- | because the python documentation did not seem that clear to me | 10:14 |
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| carlos | oly-: ok | 10:31 |
| oly- | but thxs not heard of gettext till now :) | 10:32 |
| carlos | oly-: you are welcome :-) | 10:42 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172773 in launchpad "ProductReleaseFile doesn't have an owner column" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172773 | 10:45 |
| SAL123 | Step 4: Launchpad will give you an accepted or rejected upload notification. How it will give me this? | 11:00 |
| Fujitsu | SAL123: Email | 11:03 |
| SAL123 | Fujitsu: And if there is no one? What's wrong? | 11:03 |
| Fujitsu | SAL123: It likely means you've signed it with a key that Launchpad doesn't know about, or no key at all. | 11:05 |
| Fujitsu | SAL123: Did you find the correct upload location in the PPAQuickStart? | 11:06 |
| SAL123 | Fujitsu: incomming = ~ondrejj/ubuntu/ <- do you mean this? | 11:06 |
| SAL123 | Fujitsu: I don't know, what to replace in example .dput.cf and what to leave unchanged. | 11:08 |
| Fujitsu | SAL123: Incoming should be spelt with a single m, but that looks to be otherwise correct. | 11:09 |
| SAL123 | Fujitsu: i have proper one in my config, just typo when copying :) | 11:09 |
| SAL123 | Fujitsu: my complete config looks like this: http://pastebin.com/d3eaadd49 | 11:10 |
| Fujitsu | SAL123: That looks sane. | 11:11 |
| SAL123 | Fujitsu: And what now? dput says at end: "Successfully uploaded packages." | 11:11 |
| Fujitsu | SAL123: When did you upload it? | 11:11 |
| SAL123 | Fujitsu: But nothing found on: https://launchpad.net/~ondrejj/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all | 11:11 |
| SAL123 | Fujitsu: many times, first aprox. hald hour ago. | 11:12 |
| SAL123 | Fujitsu: half hour ago | 11:12 |
| Fujitsu | SAL123: Are you sure the .changes is signed properly? | 11:12 |
| Fujitsu | If you view it, does it have a signature visible? | 11:12 |
| SAL123 | Fujitsu: yes, there is a signature. IMHO there is no other key in my chrooted ubuntu. | 11:13 |
| SAL123 | gpg: Signature made Št 29. november 2007, 12:02:11 CET using DSA key ID 6B822FE7 | 11:14 |
| SAL123 | gpg: Good signature from "Jan ONDREJ (SAGATOR) <ondrejj@salstar.sk>" | 11:14 |
| Fujitsu | SAL123: OK, that looks fine... | 11:14 |
| cprov | morning, folks | 11:17 |
| Fujitsu | Hey cprov. | 11:17 |
| SAL123 | Fujitsu: Any ideas, what to do? | 11:18 |
| Fujitsu | SAL123: I'm trying something, I'll report back in a bit more than a minute. | 11:18 |
| SAL123 | Fujitsu: thanks, I am going to lunch :) | 11:19 |
| Fujitsu | SAL123: Are you sure you're uploading the correct .changes, and the rejected mail isn't being caught by a spam filter somewhere? | 11:21 |
| daub | how can i enable the bug report for a project? | 11:23 |
| Fujitsu | daub: Go into the `Change Details' | 11:23 |
| Fujitsu | ... page of the project, and scroll down to around the middle. | 11:24 |
| Fujitsu | There should be a selector for the bug tracker there; select Launchpad in it. | 11:24 |
| daub | ok, i'm in overview->change details. but i don't see a selector | 11:26 |
| Fujitsu | daub: Around the middle, `Bugs are tracked:' | 11:27 |
| Fujitsu | There are three option buttons with a drop-down list. | 11:27 |
| daub | https://launchpad.net/~daub/+edit | 11:28 |
| daub | is the the right url? | 11:28 |
| Fujitsu | daub: Ah, that's the page for your person. | 11:29 |
| Fujitsu | You can't file bugs on a person... | 11:29 |
| daub | :) | 11:29 |
| Fujitsu | You're looking for /forecastgnome/edit+? | 11:29 |
| Fujitsu | Er, +edit | 11:29 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172780 in rosetta "translated strings counts translations that may not be translated in Launchpad anymore" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172780 | 11:30 |
| Fujitsu | Yay, third bug like that I've seen in 24 hours... | 11:31 |
| daub | Fujitsu: now i found it. thanks | 11:31 |
| Fujitsu | daub: Great. | 11:32 |
| SAL123 | Fujitsu: I think it is the correct changes file. | 11:43 |
| SAL123 | Fujitsu: There is only one in my chroot. | 11:43 |
| SAL123 | Fujitsu: I have my own server and I can't find email with text "launchpad.net" in my spambox. | 11:45 |
| Fujitsu | cprov: Are you able to quickly look at any upload logs for ~ondrejj and see what is happening? | 11:45 |
| Fujitsu | It is signed with the correct key. | 11:45 |
| cprov | Fujitsu: PPA or primary ? | 11:48 |
| SAL123 | cprov: primary | 11:48 |
| SAL123 | cprov: oops | 11:48 |
| SAL123 | cprov: ppa :) | 11:48 |
| cprov | ta | 11:48 |
| SAL123 | cprov: sorry :) | 11:48 |
| Fujitsu | cprov: PPA. | 11:49 |
| * Fujitsu is too late. | 11:49 | |
| cprov | Fujitsu: Subject: dvd95_1.3p0-0ubuntu1_source.changes rejected -> Signer has no upload rights to this PPA ? | 11:50 |
| SAL123 | cprov: not, it's not mine | 11:50 |
| Fujitsu | cprov: That was me testing that it was actually accepting uploads, sorry. | 11:51 |
| Fujitsu | s/accepting/processing/ | 11:51 |
| cprov | I see | 11:51 |
| cprov | Fujitsu: SAL123 -> Signing key B32D056EF40213C64B47C43B08AA50066B822FE7 not registered in launchpad. | 11:52 |
| Fujitsu | cprov: That key is! Or maybe we have a collision.. | 11:52 |
| Fujitsu | 'twas the first thing I checked, though the fingerprint could be different. | 11:52 |
| SAL123 | My fist upload has been uploaded without proper registration. | 11:52 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 11:53 |
| cprov | SAL123: could you try again now ? | 11:53 |
| Fujitsu | Preferably in the next 50 seconds. | 11:54 |
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| SAL123 | cprov: sure, done | 11:54 |
| cprov | thx | 11:54 |
| cprov | Jan ONDREJ (SAL) <ondrejj(at)salstar.sk>: no @ found in email address part. | 11:55 |
| Fujitsu | Hahaha. | 11:55 |
| SAL123 | :-) | 11:55 |
| Fujitsu | Shouldn't it then email the signer at their default email address? | 11:56 |
| cprov | Fujitsu: possibly, first time I've seen this error | 11:56 |
| SAL123 | Which email? In key or in package? | 11:56 |
| * Hobbsee waves | 11:57 | |
| Fujitsu | Hey Hobbsee. | 11:57 |
| cprov | Fujitsu: debuild and/or dput should scream before. Does dak support this ? | 11:57 |
| SAL123 | There is only a Maintainer: tag in .dst and .changes file with (at) string. I can't find other. | 11:57 |
| Fujitsu | cprov: That's a good question. I haven't looked at much of dak. | 11:58 |
| Fujitsu | cprov: It's fine to fail on it, but it should at least email the signer, as it knows a contact address from the key. | 11:59 |
| * SAL123 is trying to upload a modified package with maintainer without (at). | 11:59 | |
| Fujitsu | Black-holing uploads is a bad idea unless there is no alternative. | 11:59 |
| elmo | dak will reject that | 12:00 |
| elmo | Fujitsu: that's not necessarily a good idea | 12:00 |
| Fujitsu | elmo: Why not? | 12:00 |
| elmo | Fujitsu: e.g. I could take some anti-ubuntu debian's persons uploads and feed them to PPA. soyuz certainly shouldn't mail him/her just because they signed the upload | 12:00 |
| Fujitsu | elmo: That's true, but there are much worse things that can be done like that. They'll get accepted emails otherwise. | 12:01 |
| elmo | no, they won't get accepted emails | 12:01 |
| elmo | because the upload has to be targeted for ubuntu/ppa to get accepted | 12:01 |
| Fujitsu | elmo: I can upload a package from the primary archive to my PPA using the same .changes. | 12:02 |
| elmo | the primary _Ubuntu_ archive | 12:02 |
| elmo | and that's still a bug | 12:02 |
| Fujitsu | Right. | 12:02 |
| elmo | which is getting fixed, AFAIK | 12:02 |
| Fujitsu | You have a point. | 12:02 |
| Fujitsu | elmo: But I can upload something signed by me to an arbitrary person's PPA (indeed, I did that just before to test), and it will give me a rejected mail. | 12:03 |
| Fujitsu | I can presumably do that with lots of DD's packages too. | 12:03 |
| Fujitsu | And generally spam the hell out of everybody. | 12:03 |
| * Hobbsee wonders waht the discussion is on | 12:03 | |
| elmo | Fujitsu: with what as the target suite? | 12:03 |
| Fujitsu | elmo: hardy. | 12:04 |
| Hobbsee | oh, mailing the person on a reject. right | 12:04 |
| * Fujitsu tries to upload something targetted at sid to PPA. | 12:04 | |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: an anti-debian person wouldn't upload to hardy. | 12:04 |
| Hobbsee | er, anti-ubuntu person wouldn't target stuff to hardy | 12:04 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: Right, but I think it'll still reject them... Unknown suite, or so. | 12:04 |
| Hobbsee | this seems to be an argument about why we should, or should not have public signed changes files, then. | 12:05 |
| elmo | not really | 12:05 |
| elmo | I'm just saying with the current passive reject stuff, who it mails has to be very very carefuly thought through with maliciousness in mind | 12:05 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: It is specifically an argument over whether this corner case shouldn't be emailed. | 12:06 |
| elmo | IIRC, cprov was looking at changing uploads to something that would allow for active/real time feedback and avoid almost all of this | 12:06 |
| Fujitsu | There is more malicious stuff that can be done with PPAs than emailing signers because they used incorrect email syntax. | 12:06 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: and far more efficient ways of spamming big groups of people through lauchpad, too | 12:07 |
| elmo | Fujitsu: dude, you're arguing for doing something bad, because there are existing bugs in this area | 12:07 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: This is true. | 12:07 |
| elmo | Hobbsee: in terms of Debian/Ubuntu relations, using Launchpad to spam Debian folks is about as efficently destructive as it gets | 12:07 |
| Hobbsee | elmo: agreed. | 12:08 |
| Hobbsee | elmo: i was thinking globally over LP, but i see your point. i now also see what your corner case actually *is*. | 12:08 |
| Fujitsu | elmo: You are correct on both counts. | 12:08 |
| Fujitsu | elmo: Is there a better way to notify people, though? | 12:10 |
| Fujitsu | Wait, why would an anti-Ubuntu person have their key registered in LP anyway? | 12:10 |
| elmo | Fujitsu: well, if we stopped using ftp, and moved to something which gave more immediate feedback - directly to the person doing the upload, that would avoid this entire class of problems | 12:10 |
| Fujitsu | If they thought it was that evil.. | 12:10 |
| cprov | Fujitsu: not on a anonymous ftp server. | 12:10 |
| Fujitsu | That's true | 12:11 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: to put crap on the bug reports and specs, etc, etc, etc. | 12:11 |
| Fujitsu | I wouldn't have imagined Soyuz would be planning to diverge from the norm so much, but that is a good thing. | 12:12 |
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| SAL123 | My bulid request has been accepted. When it will be displayed on: https://launchpad.net/~ondrejj/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all ? | 12:14 |
| Fujitsu | SAL123: Within about 10 minutes, I believe, but cprov will be able to tell you for sure. | 12:15 |
| cprov | SAL123: 30 minutes in average. | 12:16 |
| Fujitsu | cprov: Is queue-builder still taking ages, or is there another thing that creates the build records? | 12:17 |
| SAL123 | There is no "waiting build" status on a page? When displaying "All states" this does not display my job after accepting immediatelly in a waiting state? | 12:19 |
| Fujitsu | SAL123: Build records are not created immediately upon upload. | 12:20 |
| cprov | Fujitsu: exactly, not yet. | 12:20 |
| Fujitsu | cprov: It would be a lot less confusing to have the incoming processor create them, I think. Is that on the roadmap? | 12:21 |
| cprov | Fujitsu: yes, 1.1.12 | 12:23 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, good. | 12:23 |
| === kiko-afk is now known as kiko | ||
| * Fujitsu wonders if we can steal usernames that appear to have not been used for anything (perhaps only ShipIt) | 12:37 | |
| kiko | Fujitsu, you can, yes. | 12:38 |
| === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde | ||
| Fujitsu | kiko: Can I please transform into william, then? They control @ubuntu.com emails address, so it'd be nice to have a better one. | 12:40 |
| kiko | Fujitsu, what is it today? | 12:40 |
| Fujitsu | kiko: fujitsu | 12:40 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: Staying for a while this time? | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | grrr | 12:41 |
| * Fujitsu finds the uiv2-inline-navigation spec to look counterproductive. | 12:41 | |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: if my X doesn't crash a third time in ~5 mins, yes. | 12:41 |
| kiko | Fujitsu, you know, it is going to be much harder to find you on launchpad if you use fujitsu as your IRC nick though | 12:42 |
| Fujitsu | kiko: That's true. I was planning to change my IRC presence to something else (say, wgrant) at some point, but never got around to it. | 12:43 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: you're not a canonical employee. that only happens for them :P | 12:43 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: tepsipakki is lost, tseng is, soon to be me too! | 12:44 |
| kiko | Fujitsu, if you want we can change everything at once and be consistent :) | 12:44 |
| Fujitsu | kiko: Perhaps. I might become wgrant across the board then, which I can probably do without duck intervention. | 12:45 |
| kiko | Fujitsu, ok. think it over and let me know; I'm happy to give you william as you are a most valued member, but I don't want to leave things more confusing than they are :) | 12:46 |
| * Fujitsu probably shouldn't be polluting namespaces with such common names, either. | 12:47 | |
| kiko | we could blacklist william. that'd be most evil. :) | 12:49 |
| Hobbsee | incomming soyuz bug. | 12:49 |
| * Hobbsee has pondered taking over sarah. | 12:49 | |
| ubotu | New bug: #172798 in soyuz "Builddmaster leaves buildlogs behind in /tmp" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172798 | 12:55 |
| daub | daub can i upload a package to the ppa without creating a source package? | 13:05 |
| daub | because my project is python based | 13:06 |
| Fujitsu | daub: No. Binary packages must be built from source inside Launchpad; manual binary uploads will be rejected. | 13:06 |
| daub | ok | 13:07 |
| lamont | Hobbsee: what if sarah doesn't want to be taken over? | 13:16 |
| Fujitsu | lamont: ... then she'll get attacked with a certain stick. Duh. | 13:16 |
| lamont | lol | 13:16 |
| Hobbsee | lamont: oh...there really is a sarah now. there wasnt' before. | 13:17 |
| lamont | the one I'm thinking of has existed for 15 years or so. :-) | 13:17 |
| lamont | but I realize now that you just want to take over a _nick_. not some other corpus. | 13:20 |
| lamont | my bad | 13:20 |
| Hobbsee | lamont: no, i'll take over every sarah on earth, i think :) | 13:22 |
| Fujitsu | Taking over Nicks and Sarahs? There go my two siblings. | 13:24 |
| ubotu | New bug: #160683 in ubuntu "vmware-server: Package requests recursive update (dup-of: 172275)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160683 | 13:31 |
| ubotu | New bug: #164277 in vmware-server (partner) "vmware-server upgrade problem (dup-of: 172275)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164277 | 13:35 |
| kiko | t-10 | 13:48 |
| * Hobbsee wonders when the ext user meeting is | 13:49 | |
| Hobbsee | er, next | 13:49 |
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| kiko | t-1 | 13:57 |
| * kiko winks at BjornT | 13:57 | |
| BjornT | welcome to this weeks Launchpad developers' meeting | 14:00 |
| BjornT | we'll talk about Launchpad development for the next 45 minutes | 14:01 |
| ddaa | me | 14:02 |
| BjornT | == Agenda == | 14:02 |
| BjornT | * Roll call * Agenda * Next meeting * Actions from last meeting * Oops report (Matsubara) * Critical Bugs (Rinchen) * Bug tags * Operations report (mthaddon) * DBA report (stub) * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen) * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) | 14:02 |
| BjornT | ---- * Death to `[trivial]` (SteveA) * Clear up old work-in-progress branches (mwhudson) | 14:02 |
| BjornT | ---- * Blockers | 14:02 |
| mwhudson | me | 14:02 |
| BjornT | who's here? | 14:02 |
| barry_ | me | 14:02 |
| flacoste | me | 14:02 |
| gmb | me | 14:02 |
| allenap | me | 14:02 |
| sinzui | me | 14:02 |
| ddaa | me | 14:02 |
| stub | me | 14:02 |
| salgado | me | 14:02 |
| EdwinGrubbs | me | 14:02 |
| carlos | me | 14:02 |
| adeuring | me | 14:02 |
| bac | me | 14:02 |
| jtv | me | 14:02 |
| kiko | me | 14:02 |
| schwuk | me | 14:03 |
| mrevell | me | 14:03 |
| jtv | Apology: Danilo is at a conference | 14:04 |
| BjornT | jamesh, Rinchen, matsubara, jsk send their apologies | 14:04 |
| BjornT | SteveA_ might be a bit late | 14:04 |
| BjornT | * Next meeting | 14:06 |
| BjornT | will anyone not be able to attend next week? | 14:06 |
| stub | Assuming my leave is (finally) approved, me | 14:06 |
| kiko | I'll be here | 14:06 |
| mrevell | I'll be sprinting along with mpt, matsubara, mthaddon and Rinchen, but I assume we'll be at the meeting | 14:06 |
| jamesh | BjornT: I think that apology is old for me. Didn't realise it was there | 14:07 |
| carlos | I'm on leave | 14:07 |
| carlos | until next year... | 14:07 |
| SteveA_ | BjornT: me | 14:07 |
| jtv | jamesh: a standing apology, cool idea. | 14:07 |
| BjornT | ok, that should be fine. next meeting will be 2007-12-06 at 1400 UTC | 14:07 |
| BjornT | * Actions from last meeting | 14:08 |
| BjornT | there doesn't seem to a log from last meeting, so i don't know if there were any actions. anyone remember? | 14:08 |
| SteveA_ | BjornT: I will be on vacation next week | 14:08 |
| BjornT | SteveA_: ah, i thought wanted to raise your present. who will chair the meeting next week? | 14:09 |
| SteveA_ | BjornT: would you like to do it again? | 14:09 |
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| BjornT | SteveA: sure | 14:09 |
| BjornT | * Oops report (Matsubara) | 14:10 |
| BjornT | matsubara isn't here. did he delegate the oops report to anyone? | 14:10 |
| salgado | First congratulations to the Translations guys for nailing down bug 30602. The new top timeout contender is bug 50617, which intellectronica is already taking care of. | 14:10 |
| salgado | BjornT: Rinchen asked me to keep an eye on +filebug timeouts. We had five timeouts on +filebug yesterday: OOPS-697C31, OOPS-697C318, OOPS-697E26, OOPS-697C1706, OOPS-697D1789. Can you investigate and check if they're regressions of bug 86361? | 14:10 |
| salgado | That's all for today. | 14:10 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 - Assigned to Jeroen T. Vermeulen (jtv) | 14:10 |
| BUGabundo | hay | 14:10 |
| BUGabundo | I'm on edge | 14:10 |
| BUGabundo | and something really strange is going on | 14:10 |
| ubotu | Bug 50617 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/50617 is private | 14:10 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 86361 in malone "Search for duplicate and similar bugs on +filebug sometimes timeout" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86361 - Assigned to Francis J. Lacoste (flacoste) | 14:10 |
| ubotu | https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/697C31 | 14:10 |
| ubotu | https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/697C318 | 14:10 |
| ubotu | https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/697E26 | 14:10 |
| ubotu | https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/697C1706 | 14:10 |
| ubotu | https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/697D1789 | 14:10 |
| BUGabundo | there's no text box to insert the package for bug submits! | 14:10 |
| salgado | yep, that's his report, BjornT | 14:10 |
| BUGabundo | mdz: hya | 14:11 |
| kiko | BUGabundo, please /msg me, we're mid-meeting. | 14:11 |
| BjornT | ok, i'll look at the +filebug timeouts later | 14:12 |
| BjornT | * Critical Bugs (Rinchen) | 14:12 |
| mrevell | Hi | 14:12 |
| mrevell | I'm standing if for Rinchen this week | 14:12 |
| mrevell | as he's away. | 14:12 |
| mrevell | Joey sent me an email with two bugs to look at. My email provider is down at the moment, so I don't have the email to hand. However, carlos tells me that he's just commited a fix for bug n #165218 | 14:13 |
| mrevell | and cprov I see you have a private critical bug. Can you tell me what the status is, please for bug 157552? | 14:13 |
| ubotu | Bug 157552 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/157552 is private | 14:13 |
| cprov | shh ... | 14:14 |
| cprov | me | 14:14 |
| mrevell | cprov: /msg me if necessary | 14:14 |
| cprov | mrevell: k, continue | 14:14 |
| mrevell | Does anyone else have a message they want me to pass to Rinchen regarding critical bugs? | 14:14 |
| mrevell | 5 | 14:15 |
| mrevell | 4 | 14:15 |
| mrevell | 3 | 14:15 |
| mrevell | 2 | 14:15 |
| mrevell | 1 | 14:15 |
| Hobbsee | mrevell: fix them all :) | 14:15 |
| mrevell | Thanks BjornT | 14:15 |
| BjornT | * Bug tags | 14:15 |
| SteveA | cprov: would you update the bug report on 157552 to give an idea of the current situation? | 14:15 |
| carlos | Hobbsee: ;-) | 14:15 |
| cprov | SteveA: will do, julian has 90% of the code done | 14:16 |
| Hobbsee | carlos: oh, and have it done by 3 weeks ago :) | 14:16 |
| BjornT | there are three tags proposed: bugtag, hwdb, and feeds | 14:16 |
| bigjools | I'm here, sorry I'm late | 14:16 |
| BjornT | i think we discussed these tags last week. has anything changed since then? | 14:17 |
| intellectronica | i'm also here, b.t.w - only missed the first few minutes | 14:17 |
| SteveA | well | 14:17 |
| SteveA | the link against bugtag now returns no bugs | 14:17 |
| SteveA | because it goes to bugtags | 14:17 |
| kiko | right | 14:18 |
| SteveA | but there are many bugs tagged with 'bugtag' | 14:18 |
| SteveA | which is what we agreed | 14:18 |
| kiko | we fixed | 14:18 |
| kiko | them | 14:18 |
| SteveA | so this tag can now become official on that page | 14:18 |
| kiko | Rinchen updated all of them manually | 14:18 |
| kiko | very good | 14:18 |
| kiko | SteveA, about hwdb, were you against it? | 14:18 |
| BjornT | so, is 'bugtag' approved? | 14:18 |
| SteveA | yes | 14:18 |
| SteveA | BjornT: yes | 14:18 |
| SteveA | kiko: I'm not totally against it. More like -0 when there's only one bug that seems to apply | 14:19 |
| SteveA | I wonder also if it should be a project | 14:19 |
| kiko | SteveA, but there will be more bugs as the feature moves on. | 14:19 |
| kiko | it might be a separate project.. it sort of depends. | 14:19 |
| kiko | there are more bugs actually I believe | 14:19 |
| kiko | pity abel is on vac | 14:19 |
| kiko | schwuk? | 14:19 |
| adeuring | I'm here :) | 14:20 |
| SteveA | hi abel! | 14:20 |
| adeuring | hi SteveA | 14:20 |
| SteveA | I'm thinking the hwdb should be a project, and the hwdb-client should be a project | 14:20 |
| schwuk | kiko: I believe that the consensus last week was that there weren't enough bugs to justify the tag being official yet, but we wanted your input | 14:20 |
| SteveA | I don't feel very strongly on it though | 14:20 |
| kiko | SteveA, the client is a project indeed. | 14:21 |
| adeuring | Regrading the tag, I think too we can define it, when we need it | 14:21 |
| kiko | the backend is.. possibly best modeled as a project | 14:21 |
| kiko | okay | 14:21 |
| kiko | thanks guys | 14:21 |
| kiko | i'll update the page | 14:21 |
| schwuk | SteveA: hwdb-client actually exists as as separate project already - hwtest | 14:22 |
| SteveA | thanks \sh | 14:22 |
| BjornT | and what about 'feeds'? it has 14 examples | 14:22 |
| SteveA | thanks schwuk | 14:22 |
| SteveA | I think we need a tag for feeds. Should it be called 'feeds' or 'feed' ? | 14:22 |
| * barry_ thinks feeds | 14:23 | |
| BjornT | considering we renamed 'bugtags' to 'bugtag', maybe we should be consistent and call it 'feed' | 14:23 |
| mrevell | "feed" would sound odd | 14:23 |
| schwuk | BjornT: except that feeds are rarely referred to in the singular | 14:23 |
| bac | i prefer "feeds" | 14:23 |
| kiko | feeds | 14:23 |
| kiko | I think it should have been bugtags | 14:24 |
| SteveA | schwuk: "a line feed" ? "a data feed" | 14:24 |
| kiko | but I don't care enough | 14:24 |
| schwuk | SteveA: with regard to RSS/Atom/XML feeds | 14:24 |
| * radix has an RSS feed. | 14:24 | |
| BjornT | schwuk: well, the same applies for bugtag. you usally talk about 'tags' | 14:24 |
| schwuk | BjornT: so I agree with kiko | 14:24 |
| BjornT | well, me too actually | 14:25 |
| kiko | it should have been bugtags | 14:25 |
| kiko | but anyway | 14:25 |
| SteveA | let's go with 'feeds' | 14:25 |
| schwuk | radix: you may have one, but LP has multiple feeds | 14:25 |
| BjornT | so, let's approve 'feeds' then? we can consider renaming 'bugtags' later | 14:25 |
| BjornT | ok | 14:25 |
| kiko | yes | 14:25 |
| kiko | FINE | 14:25 |
| BjornT | * Operations report (mthaddon) | 14:25 |
| SteveA | I think 'feed' implies it's about an individual feed, and feeds says to me it's about the infrastructure | 14:25 |
| kiko | right | 14:26 |
| kiko | agred | 14:26 |
| SteveA | which also suggests 'bugtags' :-) | 14:26 |
| BjornT | mthaddon doesn't seem to be here | 14:26 |
| BjornT | anyone has his report? | 14:26 |
| SteveA | which would mean I was rooting for the wrong side a couple of weeks ago, but anyway ... ;-) | 14:26 |
| BjornT | ok, moving on. i'll ask mthaddon to send his report to the list | 14:27 |
| BjornT | * DBA report (stub) | 14:27 |
| stub | All postgres instances are now running 8.2.5. The fixes in 8.2.4 and 8.2.5 did have a significant impact on some of our queries and things are now running nicer. | 14:27 |
| stub | I would like to know *right now* if we can reboot carbon for some fs tweaks | 14:28 |
| SteveA | BjornT: please ask him to include in his report the current state of bug 157552 from his side | 14:28 |
| ubotu | Bug 157552 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/157552 is private | 14:28 |
| stub | Nothing else to report. | 14:28 |
| jtv | stub: we're running a test. | 14:28 |
| BjornT | SteveA: ok | 14:28 |
| stub | jtv: Please let elmo know when you are done then. | 14:28 |
| jtv | stub: ack | 14:28 |
| SteveA | BjornT: or better yet, leave a comment on the bug | 14:28 |
| jtv | stub: it'll be a while | 14:28 |
| SteveA | stub: I don't believe we're running any demos for people on there just now. | 14:29 |
| sinzui | could the DB upgrade be related the timeouts that bugs is experiencing? | 14:29 |
| kiko | 253 timeouts. wow! | 14:30 |
| stub | More timeouts than usual, or are they just noticeable now Rosetta isn't hogging the reports? | 14:30 |
| BjornT | i don't think there are more timeouts than usual. let's look at that later. | 14:31 |
| stub | Unlikely but possible. I don't think we will be going back though unless we have a dataloss or security type situation though so we need to deal anyway. | 14:31 |
| BjornT | * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen) | 14:32 |
| BjornT | mrevell: are you handling this as well? | 14:32 |
| kiko | I think there are much less timeouts in general | 14:32 |
| stub | We have a *gasp* metric for this don't we? | 14:32 |
| mrevell | BjornT: I don't have anything for sysadmin requests, no. | 14:32 |
| mrevell | However | 14:33 |
| SteveA | kiko: 253 time-outs total -- and not so many from bugs. am I looking at the right stats? | 14:33 |
| kiko | stub, ha ha | 14:33 |
| mrevell | does anyone have something they'd like Joey's help in getting actioned? | 14:33 |
| kiko | SteveA, that's the right stats. 253 total. I was positively impressed | 14:33 |
| mrevell | Anyone have an RT request number they want Joey's help with? | 14:33 |
| kiko | 5 4 3 2 1 | 14:34 |
| BjornT | ok, let's move on | 14:34 |
| BjornT | * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) | 14:34 |
| mrevell | Me again :) | 14:34 |
| mrevell | Looking at the Answers requests for Launchpad, there are two recurring questions: | 14:34 |
| mrevell | "Please delete xxx from my PPA" and "Please rename project xxx". | 14:34 |
| mrevell | We have plans to allow deleting packages from PPAs. | 14:34 |
| mrevell | Do we have plans to allow project owners to rename their projects without involving a Launchpad admin? | 14:35 |
| kiko | not right now | 14:35 |
| ddaa | We used to have, Mark insisted that we don't. | 14:35 |
| mrevell | There's actually a third question that comes up a bit - regarding project deletion, but I realise that's a bigger deal. | 14:35 |
| mrevell | Okay, that pretty much answers it, thanks. | 14:36 |
| BjornT | mrevell: done? | 14:36 |
| kiko | well | 14:36 |
| kiko | I think we can reconsider project renames | 14:36 |
| kiko | and definitely deletion | 14:37 |
| cprov | mrevell: yes, PPA deletion UI is planned for 1.2.1 | 14:37 |
| kiko | but this work has not been scheduled yet | 14:37 |
| stub | We need to dig up or remember the use cases for us disabling it. There was a reason at the time, I'm sure, but there is a good chance it is no longer valid. | 14:37 |
| mrevell | We're not getting hundreds of requests, obviously but I wanted to see if it was something we could reconsider. | 14:37 |
| BjornT | ok, we don't have time to discuss this now, so let's have that discussion elsewhere, and move on | 14:37 |
| BjornT | * Clear up old work-in-progress branches (mwhudson) | 14:37 |
| mrevell | thanks guys | 14:37 |
| * mwhudson runs away, ddaa will take this | 14:38 | |
| ddaa | After the lean training at UDS | 14:38 |
| ddaa | the code team decided to look for the status of all work-in-progress branches | 14:38 |
| ddaa | and clean up those that will never land | 14:38 |
| ddaa | we found this was a worthwhile exercise | 14:38 |
| ddaa | and encourage other teams to do the same | 14:39 |
| ddaa | I think that's it. | 14:39 |
| BjornT | ddaa: might consider sending a mail to the list about it | 14:40 |
| BjornT | * Death to `[trivial]` (SteveA) | 14:40 |
| BjornT | SteveA: | 14:40 |
| SteveA | thanks BjornT | 14:40 |
| SteveA | the review team discussed removing our use of the [trivial] tag to land code without review | 14:40 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172816 in launchpad "launchpad focus browser on summary and "hides" package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172816 | 14:40 |
| SteveA | now that we have processes that allow more timely reviews | 14:41 |
| SteveA | there should be much less overhead in getting small branches reviewed | 14:41 |
| SteveA | and the bzr project has had success with requiring a review for all landings, however trivial | 14:41 |
| kiko | wow. | 14:41 |
| kiko | this is a big step! | 14:42 |
| SteveA | so, I propose we remove the [trivial] tag for 2 months, and see what happens | 14:42 |
| SteveA | we need to introduce a different tag | 14:42 |
| * ddaa raises hand | 14:42 | |
| SteveA | to allow, for example, stub | 14:42 |
| === \sh is now known as \sh_away | ||
| SteveA | and mthaddon | 14:42 |
| flacoste | we have rs= | 14:42 |
| kiko | they could use rs= | 14:42 |
| SteveA | to do procedural things that need doing via PQM | 14:42 |
| sinzui | sa= | 14:42 |
| stub | I was thinking db landings could go past the review team to see what happens. Might be confusion, might be helpful. | 14:42 |
| SteveA | so I propose we add [rollout] or something like that, for such tags | 14:42 |
| kiko | SteveA, I think stub's more on the right track | 14:43 |
| SteveA | sure, I'm in favour of keeping it consistent with no special cases | 14:43 |
| stub | [rollout] useful for ops stuff though - fixing configs and whatnot. | 14:43 |
| SteveA | if that's workable | 14:43 |
| barry_ | iirc, mthaddon had no problem w/using existing procedures (sans trivial) for doing what he needs to do | 14:43 |
| SteveA | we can review use of [trivial] at the end of january | 14:44 |
| BjornT | so, do we remove the [trivial] tag, or does it need more discussion? time is running out, so we won't have time to discuss it in this meeting. | 14:44 |
| SteveA | and see how the experiment went | 14:44 |
| elmo | barry: (actually, I'm pretty sure he asked for a [sysadmin]) | 14:44 |
| SteveA | BjornT: I will write a concrete proposal to the list | 14:44 |
| barry_ | elmo, he did, but in a follow up agreed that it's probably not necessary | 14:44 |
| BjornT | ok, let's move on then | 14:44 |
| BjornT | * Blockers | 14:44 |
| SteveA | BjornT: I'd like everyone to note that [trivial] will be turned off next month | 14:45 |
| ddaa | Code: not blocked | 14:45 |
| * barry_ can dig up the email if necessary (or just ask mthaddon again ;) | 14:45 | |
| SteveA | SC: not blocked | 14:45 |
| BjornT | Bugs Team: no | 14:45 |
| flacoste | Foundations Team: not blocked | 14:45 |
| bigjools | Soyuz Team: Not blocked | 14:45 |
| flacoste | elmo: do you time today to do this meeting with barry? | 14:45 |
| jtv | Translations team: not blocked | 14:46 |
| mrevell | Release team not blocked | 14:46 |
| bac | Commercialization team: not blocked | 14:46 |
| BjornT | adeuring, schwuk: hwdb? | 14:46 |
| adeuring | HWDB team: not blocked | 14:46 |
| BjornT | is that everyone? | 14:46 |
| BjornT | ok, meeting ended | 14:47 |
| mrevell | thanks BjornT, good job :) | 14:47 |
| barry_ | thanks BjornT ! | 14:47 |
| kiko | thanks guys! | 14:47 |
| * kiko waves | 14:47 | |
| * carlos too | 14:48 | |
| SteveA | thank you BjornT ! | 14:51 |
| SteveA | great meeting chairing. | 14:51 |
| === cprov is now known as cprov-lunch | ||
| ubotu | New bug: #172825 in malone "Bug status import should happen outside transaction blogs" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172825 | 15:25 |
| === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch | ||
| dneary | Hi | 15:29 |
| dneary | When I download .po files from launchpad, I get some translations with "#-#-#-#-# - (PACKAGE VERSION) #-#-#-#-#" lines in the middle | 15:30 |
| dneary | This ruins the translation presentation when I pull these down to my program and run po2ts - any idea why they're there? | 15:31 |
| dneary | And how to avoid them? | 15:31 |
| carlos | dneary: they come from a merge of two po files, that comes from gettext tools, not from Launchpad | 15:37 |
| carlos | dneary: is a way to denote that the merge had a conflict so the user needs to resolve it manually | 15:37 |
| dneary | carlos: Thanks | 15:50 |
| dneary | So I need to tell some people off, or could this happen when uploading a .po into launchpad? | 15:50 |
| carlos | we don't do that kind of merge | 15:50 |
| carlos | so it's something your translators introduced | 15:50 |
| carlos | it may stay in Launchpad as a suggestion | 15:51 |
| carlos | but just like any other bad translation | 15:51 |
| dneary | Is there any way to search for all of these? | 16:04 |
| dneary | Across all languages? | 16:04 |
| dneary | And stamp them out? | 16:04 |
| dneary | It's pretty widespread in the wengophone translations - I have 5 affected translations | 16:05 |
| bud3030 | Were can i get info on my gpg | 16:26 |
| bud3030 | I get this when I try to get a new gpg Invalid character | 16:40 |
| intellectronica | bud3030: what do you mean by "try to get a new gpg"? | 16:41 |
| intellectronica | bud3030: are you trying to upload a new gpg public key into launchpad? | 16:41 |
| Hobbsee | probably tryign to create a new gpg key | 16:42 |
| bud3030 | yes what is going on I change the the wiki namen to my real name | 16:42 |
| bud3030 | now it ask for a new gpg to activate ppa | 16:43 |
| bud3030 | Hobbsee thank for the reply | 16:43 |
| === cprov-lunch is now known as cprov | ||
| intellectronica | bud3030: so, you take your public key and import it into launchpad by going to https://edge.launchpad.net/~bud3030/+editpgpkeys | 16:45 |
| bud3030 | Hobbsee: it is tell me to but name prase and email | 16:45 |
| Hobbsee | bud3030: are you trying to use a strange character that isnt on a default english keyboard, by any chance? | 16:46 |
| Hobbsee | like, something you have to use the compose key for? | 16:46 |
| bud3030 | no | 16:46 |
| Hobbsee | what characters are you typing in? | 16:46 |
| bud3030 | at first I typeed it in double quots the with out | 16:46 |
| bud3030 | the qutos | 16:47 |
| Hobbsee | you shouldn't need to use quotes with it at all | 16:47 |
| intellectronica | bud3030: try a program called "seahorse", which is a nice GUI to GPG. you may find it easier | 16:48 |
| bud3030 | I all so deleted my ssh and old email | 16:48 |
| bud3030 | intellectronica : I have seahorese install I will give it a try | 16:49 |
| bud3030 | hobbsee: thanks for help also intellectronica | 16:52 |
| intellectronica | bud3030: np | 16:53 |
| doko | how long does it take until a branch gets published on launchpad? | 17:00 |
| === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado | ||
| === kiko-zzz is now known as kiko | ||
| bbartek | Hi all | 19:05 |
| kiko | afternoon | 19:05 |
| bbartek | I just received my ubuntu membership on #ubuntu-members | 19:05 |
| kiko | well.. congratulations! | 19:06 |
| bbartek | is it possible to get an other launchpad name | 19:06 |
| bbartek | thank you kiko | 19:06 |
| bbartek | https://launchpad.net/~bart | 19:06 |
| kiko | it might be possible. | 19:06 |
| bbartek | is from somebody who is not active | 19:06 |
| bbartek | https://launchpad.net/~broeckx | 19:07 |
| kiko | well | 19:07 |
| bbartek | this is the one i have wright now | 19:07 |
| kiko | isn't it better to use bbartek? | 19:07 |
| bbartek | Yes, i can use that one to but it's a short name | 19:08 |
| bbartek | my real name | 19:08 |
| kiko | well, it's also going to make it harder to identify you | 19:08 |
| bbartek | and from someone who probably doesn't even use ubuntu anymore | 19:08 |
| kiko | i.e. you make an administrative request and I can't figure out who you are | 19:08 |
| kiko | or I can't guess who to assign the bug to | 19:08 |
| kiko | it's always much (much!) better to have a uniquish name | 19:09 |
| kiko | even if it's cooler to have bart or fred or jane :) | 19:09 |
| bbartek | I do marketing and promotional activities | 19:09 |
| bbartek | I'm not so active on launchpad | 19:09 |
| bbartek | i don't file bugs | 19:09 |
| bbartek | well a few | 19:09 |
| bbartek | bbartek is also poosible if it's better for you | 19:10 |
| kiko | well, I'm fine either way. that was just my advice as someone who deals with this sort of thing every day. :) | 19:10 |
| bbartek | if it's possible and not to much work i prefer bart | 19:11 |
| bbartek | but i will settle for bbartek to | 19:11 |
| bbartek | bart@ubuntu.com is cooler ;) | 19:12 |
| kiko | bbartek, okay, bart is freed now. | 19:12 |
| bbartek | kiko: thx | 19:13 |
| kiko | you can change your name in your +edit page | 19:13 |
| bbartek | ok i'll do it now | 19:13 |
| bbartek | thanks a lot | 19:13 |
| bbartek | done :) | 19:14 |
| cyberix | How am I supposed to credit translators? | 19:20 |
| kiko | cyberix, I'm not sure how you mean credit. | 19:26 |
| kiko | do you mean the translator-credits string? | 19:26 |
| cyberix | I collected latest po-files from Launchpad and I'm planning to include them in my upstream package. | 19:36 |
| cyberix | I'm talking about copyright | 19:36 |
| cyberix | The translators have copyright in their translations | 19:36 |
| cyberix | But I don't know who the translators are. | 19:37 |
| LaserJock | carlos: ping | 19:58 |
| === Kmos_ is now known as Kmos | ||
| lifeless | kiko: ping | 20:23 |
| kiko | lifeless! | 20:23 |
| lifeless | why was debian-bzr merged into registry? debian-bzr is the debian bzr packaging team | 20:23 |
| lifeless | (oh, and how are you :)) | 20:24 |
| jelmer | lifeless: no, debian-bazaar is the debian bzr packaging team | 20:28 |
| jelmer | debian-bzr is a team I accidently created because I didn't know about debian-bazaar | 20:29 |
| lifeless | jelmer: ahha. | 20:30 |
| lifeless | kiko: so it sounds like I'm confused; is merging to registry how we delete teams ? | 20:30 |
| kiko | lifeless, yes. | 20:30 |
| kiko | well, it's how /I/ delete teams | 20:30 |
| kiko | nobody else does! | 20:30 |
| lifeless | kiko: the message to the user is very confusing | 20:31 |
| kiko | lifeless, there are worse things in life; I prefer admins to clear out membership first, but jelmer gets special treatment | 20:32 |
| kiko | lifeless, mpt has kept the bug on doing it properly open | 20:32 |
| lifeless | kiko: I see; its cool then. | 20:32 |
| lifeless | blame jelmer for me squawking | 20:32 |
| lifeless | jelmer: so debian-bazaar has just you in it | 20:33 |
| jelmer | huh | 20:35 |
| jelmer | bleh, time to quit drinking or something.. had this happen before | 20:36 |
| * jelmer filed two bugs about "bzr selftest -j", within a couple of months | 20:36 | |
| jelmer | lifeless, kiko: Sorry for the trouble | 20:37 |
| kiko | nah | 20:37 |
| lifeless | jelmer: so what team am I meant to be in ? | 20:37 |
| jelmer | debian-bazaar - I'll add everybody to debian-bazaar | 20:38 |
| carlos | LaserJock: pong | 20:38 |
| LaserJock | carlos: was just talking to the gcompris author | 20:38 |
| carlos | LaserJock: indeed, the bug is fixed... let me retry it... | 20:39 |
| LaserJock | carlos: he says that the translations people are getting are incomplete, but do exist | 20:39 |
| LaserJock | I don't quite get why there should be any translations if there wasn't a .pot | 20:39 |
| carlos | hmm, no, the template was already imported (sorry I'm so busy I even forgot I already did it...) | 20:39 |
| === cprov is now known as cprov-out | ||
| carlos | LaserJock: we copy translations from one release to the other | 20:40 |
| carlos | LaserJock: so it would be for Feisty | 20:40 |
| LaserJock | he said he didn't think it was Feisty | 20:40 |
| LaserJock | so either it was maybe messed up in Feisty too | 20:40 |
| LaserJock | or something else | 20:40 |
| carlos | that's easy to check... | 20:40 |
| LaserJock | but my brain is hurting over trying to figure out this translations stuff :-) | 20:41 |
| carlos | indeed, Feisty was broken too | 20:41 |
| carlos | LaserJock: last update was 2006-05-11 21:00:08.796834+00:00 | 20:42 |
| carlos | LaserJock: I think last update we got was from Dapper... | 20:43 |
| LaserJock | oh ... | 20:43 |
| LaserJock | ok, so to be clear, we're shipping the Dapper translations in Edgy, Feisty, and Gutsy? | 20:44 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172907 in launchpad "Deleting an email address that's used in subscriptions cases referential integrity error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172907 | 20:45 |
| LaserJock | carlos: am I correct? ^^ | 20:51 |
| carlos | LaserJock: yes, although each one will have some translation updates | 20:54 |
| carlos | LaserJock: the problem is that message changes to the English string will be missing | 20:55 |
| LaserJock | yep | 20:55 |
| LaserJock | so that would account for the weird incomplete translations people are complaining about | 20:55 |
| LaserJock | since there have been new upstream releases, etc. since Dapper | 20:55 |
| LaserJock | carlos: ok, now with the new .pot I sent you will the upstream translations be given preference over what is in LP? | 20:58 |
| carlos | right | 20:58 |
| LaserJock | carlos: hmm, can I give you a Feisty .pot as well? | 20:59 |
| LaserJock | if we've got bad translations back to Edgy I'm thinking some Feisty users may benefit as well | 21:00 |
| mpt | Gooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! | 21:03 |
| carlos | LaserJock: please, send it to rosetta@launchpad.net I'm leaving right now for some days | 21:18 |
| carlos | LaserJock: so danilo or jtv do the upload | 21:18 |
| LaserJock | carlos: ok thanks, and how often are new lang-packs created? | 21:18 |
| Kmos | OOPS-698EC85 | 21:19 |
| carlos | LaserJock: it's supposed to be done monthly, although that's not always true... is better that you talk with pitti about it | 21:19 |
| Kmos | I'm at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/elfutils/+publishinghistory and clicked on version 0.127-4 and it goes at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/elfutils/0.127-4 | 21:19 |
| Kmos | but got OOPS | 21:19 |
| carlos | see you all!! | 21:20 |
| LaserJock | carlos: thanks again | 21:20 |
| carlos | you are welcome | 21:20 |
| carlos | enjoy!!! | 21:20 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172911 in launchpad "+publishinghistory causes OOPS when click in removed release version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172911 | 21:35 |
| xp_prg | hi all! I created my vmware image with jeOS but it is working on my computer and not on another computer, can anyone help me? | 21:40 |
| xp_prg | I get error rejecting I/O to offline device | 21:41 |
| xp_prg | at the initramfs prompt | 21:41 |
| bigon | could someone schedule a new try to build https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/lablgtk2/2.10.0-2 | 21:43 |
| bigon | ? | 21:43 |
| xp_prg | can anyone help me please: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-jeos/+question/18996 | 21:44 |
| daub | hi, i want to upload my package to the ppa. but i get following error: | 21:46 |
| daub | http://rafb.net/p/oc8gs094.html | 21:46 |
| xp_prg | does anyone see me? | 21:46 |
| daub | does anyone know something about it | 21:46 |
| daub | the output comes from dput | 21:47 |
| mpt | xp_prg, #launchpad is about the Launchpad site. It is not a jeOS support channel. | 21:47 |
| xp_prg | ok oops | 21:49 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172915 in launchpad "Download files view on a release does not show "Delete Files" button" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172915 | 21:50 |
| ubotu | New bug: #172919 in launchpad "Need a "Delete" icon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172919 | 21:56 |
| Fujitsu | bigon: You want to ask for a give-back on #ubuntu-devel. | 22:30 |
| bigon | thx | 22:35 |
| poolie | hi | 22:54 |
| cyberix | How long does it take after dput for packages to appear in PPA? | 22:59 |
| Fujitsu | cyberix: It processes them every 5 minutes. | 23:00 |
| cyberix | Will source packages be built automagically into binary packages? | 23:07 |
| Fujitsu | cyberix: Yes. | 23:08 |
| cyberix | How long does this take then? | 23:09 |
| Fujitsu | cyberix: Builds should be created within around 30 minutes of your upload, and then build soon (probably less than an hour) after that, depending on the load on the build machines. | 23:10 |
| cyberix | ok | 23:11 |
| cyberix | thanks | 23:12 |
| Fujitsu | Hm, I see the launchpad-bazaar merging feature is used so often. I just created the 34th merge... | 23:12 |
| somerville32 | Fujitsu, My project will be using it heavily soon | 23:27 |
| dennda | can I somehow subscribe myself to all bugs that are reported for an entire project? | 23:40 |
| Fujitsu | dennda: Yes, just set yourself as the bug contact. | 23:41 |
| imbrandon | hrm i requested that my PPA have all packages removed ( prior to 1.1.11 rollout ) and they were marked "deleted" in the UI ( on edge ) within 24 hours, but now its been a week ( or more ) and they are still in the /pool , ideas ? | 23:42 |
| dennda | Fujitsu: how? (I am not the one who registered the project) | 23:42 |
| imbrandon | https://edge.launchpad.net/~imbrandon/+archive and http://ppa.launchpad.net/imbrandon/ubuntu are the relevant urls | 23:43 |
| Fujitsu | dennda: Ah, then I don't think you can do it yourself at the moment. | 23:43 |
| dennda | Fujitsu: The one who actually registered the project could do so? | 23:43 |
| dennda | (/me wonders why that isn't possible for users who are eager to fix bugs) :D | 23:45 |
| Fujitsu | dennda: Bug #3067. | 23:45 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 3067 in malone "Subscribe to a project's bugs" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3067 | 23:45 |
| dennda | I'll ask the 'owner' then. | 23:46 |
| dennda | I see :) | 23:46 |
| Fujitsu | Being a bug contact implies additional privileges, unfortunately. | 23:46 |
| dennda | Oh, that thing has been registered a while ago... | 23:47 |
| Fujitsu | ? | 23:48 |
| dennda | thanks for the hints, Fujitsu. I will get some rest now | 23:48 |
| dennda | (the blueprint) | 23:48 |
| dennda | good night | 23:48 |
| dennda | and thanks again | 23:48 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, yes, LP development isn't entirely rapid. | 23:48 |
| Fujitsu | Night, and no problem. | 23:48 |
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