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Balaams_MiracleFujitsu: You had me curious, so i added up the percentages too. It's not exacly 100% but (according to gcalctool) 99.99%. This looks like bug #104024, with the differece that "need review" also show no translatables.00:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 104024 in rosetta "Untranslated filter shows no strings, but percentage untranslated < 100%" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10402400:06
pooliempt, i'd really really like if it was easier to edit bug tags 00:20
poolielike from the edit status dialog-thing00:20
Fujitsupoolie: bug #76095, bug #12713800:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 76095 in xwpe "xwpe fails to work properly in AMD64" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/7609500:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 127138 in malone "Can't add/remove tags while changing a bug's status" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/12713800:23
FujitsuErm, first one is wrong.00:23
FujitsuBug #7608500:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 76085 in malone "A bug report should be entirely modifiable in the bug page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/7608500:23
poolieuh, also i guess we need bug voting ;-)00:23
Fujitsumalone-me-too, targetted for 1.2.3 or so, IIRC.00:24
FujitsuOr perhaps vote-system, or bug #149775.00:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 149775 in ubuntu "Adding tags and voting on bug reports" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14977500:25
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ubotuNew bug: #172689 in rosetta "Filter shows no strings when there are untranslated strings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17268900:30
* mpt hugs Fujitsu00:55
* Fujitsu hugs mpt back.00:57
FujitsuWhat did I do this time?00:57
* Hobbsee waves01:04
* ajmitch waves at Hobbsee 01:05
* Fujitsu drops a Launchpad on Hobbsee.01:05
Hobbseeheya Fujitsu!01:06
* Hobbsee catches the launchpad, and spins it around like a cube01:06
FujitsuNooo.01:06
ajmitchmore shiny spinning cubes...01:06
Fujitsuajmitch: Haha.01:07
Fujitsumpt: Oh, was that about the voting/UI references that I gave above?01:10
mptFujitsu, yes01:18
Fujitsumpt: Ah, that makes more sense.01:23
ubotuNew bug: #172702 in malone "Bug assignee list searches users of all launchpad projects" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17270202:05
jefferaican anyone tell me how I can search for a member of launchpad?02:56
jefferaiI'm trying to find a specific person on there02:56
jefferaitheir contact page02:56
Hobbseelaunchpad.net/people and use the search?02:56
jefferaisee, why is there no link to that page...02:57
Hobbseei have no idea....02:57
jefferaiHobbsee: when I see code in launchpad, is that some internal ubuntu copy, or what?02:57
LaserJockI've never really understood why there wasn't a link to people/ from the frontpage02:58
jefferaiI'm specifically looking at this: https://code.launchpad.net/~taglib-developers/taglib/taglib.ext02:58
LaserJockjefferai: well that's code from the taglib-developers team on Launchpad02:58
jefferaiyeah, but how do I know how that syncs up with upstream?02:58
jefferaithere's also "trunk" and "taglib.ext"02:59
jefferaitrunk looks to be newer02:59
LaserJockhard to say02:59
LaserJockit's up to the team members02:59
pooliethumper, ping?03:01
thumperpoolie: pong03:01
pooliejust wanted to point you to jefferai's question - and how that might be more clear in the ui03:01
jefferailike trunk looks like it's upstream trunk03:02
jefferaibut in that case, is taglib.ext the one packaged with Ubuntu, or trunk?03:02
jefferaiwhen are they synced up? 03:02
jefferaietc03:02
LaserJockjefferai: you'd have to ask the owner03:02
LaserJockjefferai: it's not specific to Ubuntu I wouldn't think03:02
pooliewell, you can see lukas merged from svn about 6 weeks ago03:03
jefferairight, I do see that03:03
poolie i agree this is not a packaging branch03:03
thumperjefferai: trunk is an imported branch03:04
thumperI have been considering badging or somehow otherwise identifying the different branch types03:04
jefferaiso that is imported from kde svn, then?03:04
jefferaiand that is then merged into taglib.ext?03:04
jefferaitaglib.ext sounds like it means "external" i.e. from kde svn, but it doesn't03:05
thumperjefferai: https://edge.launchpad.net/taglib/trunk shows that trunk is imported from svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/kdesupport/taglib03:06
jefferaiok03:06
thumperjefferai: I'll be the first to agree that this is somewhat ackward03:06
jefferaiwhatever edge is03:06
thumperjefferai: and there are plans in motion now to make the UI better around import branches03:06
thumperjefferai: sorry, edge is running the latest code03:06
thumperjefferai: and as a LP developer I get automaticly redirected to use edge03:07
thumperjefferai: as to the launchpad beta testers03:07
jefferaiah, ok03:07
LaserJockwho would know about a vcs-import that doesn't seem to be updating?03:21
FujitsuLaserJock: File an answer against launchpad-bazaar.03:21
LaserJockFujitsu: isn't that file aquestion?03:22
LaserJock*a question03:22
FujitsuLaserJock: You file bugs in Launchpad Bugs, so therefor you file answers in Launchpad Answers. QED.03:22
LaserJockhehe03:22
Hobbseehaha03:22
LaserJockFujitsu: when does has that logic ever held? ;-)03:23
LaserJocks/does//03:23
* ajmitch drinks03:23
* Fujitsu files some translations.03:23
Zelutcan someone point me to a reference on how to push my project code to code.launchpad.net/projectname?04:03
FujitsuZelut: You don't push directly to project. You push to a branch.04:06
LaserJockhttps://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/EasyBranching perhaps04:06
FujitsuAlthough once you've created a branch, you can set it to be the trunk, and then you can branch/push directly from the project URL.04:06
ZelutI basically want to update what I already have here04:07
Zeluthttps://code.launchpad.net/folding04:07
FujitsuZelut: Right. You want to push to sftp://christer.edwards@bazaar.launchpad.net/~christer.edwards/folding/main04:09
ZelutI don't recall the bazaar syntax.  We use cvs at the office so I always forget.04:10
FujitsuZelut: bzr push someurl04:11
FujitsuThough you'll need to bzr co it first.04:11
FujitsuEr, bzr branch04:11
Zelutfrom within the ~/myproject folder I assume?04:11
FujitsuIs said folder a brach?04:11
Fujitsu*branch04:11
FujitsuThe link LaserJock gave above is probably a good reference.04:12
tonyyarussoIs the build system portion of LP OSS yet?04:18
Fujitsutonyyarusso: No.04:18
tonyyarussoFujitsu: phooey.04:18
FujitsuThe only noticeable part of Launchpad that has been released is storm, and that's not even used in the main branch yet...04:19
tonyyarussoThat's super-lame, frankly.04:21
lamontdear launchpad, is there any way to identify the signer of the source.changes file?05:36
Fujitsulamont: Pipe it through GPG?05:37
FujitsuQuery the database with the SQL powers you don't have?05:38
lamontheh05:39
lamonthttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/newt/0.52.2-11.1ubuntu1 would be an example05:40
FujitsuAsk Keybuk; MoM does it.05:40
ubotuNew bug: #172727 in launchpad "People page (/people) is too hard to find" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17272705:40
lamontoh, properly munging the changes file would have a significant effect.05:41
FujitsuHow are they improperly munged?05:42
ubotuNew bug: #172729 in launchpad "show target milestone in (some?) bug lists and on the bug page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17272905:45
lamontFujitsu: if I had properly munged the chages file before I uploaded, it would be different..06:26
lamontOTOH, I'm pretty sure that changes file looked just like all the other sponsored uploads I've done for debian as well, so ...06:26
ubotuNew bug: #172735 in launchpad-bazaar "Branch page advises people to join a restricted team" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17273507:01
SAL123What is the .changes file required by dput? I have my own deb package and want to build it for more ubuntu releases.07:14
LaserJockSAL123: you need a source package07:20
SAL123LaserJock: What is the source package? How I can create it?07:20
LaserJockwhich is made up generally of .dsc, .diff.gz, and .orig.tar.gz files07:20
LaserJockSAL123: well, if you can't find one from the same source you got the .deb you'll need to make one07:20
LaserJock!packagingguide07:21
ubotupackagingguide is The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports07:21
LaserJock^^ that can help you07:21
SAL123Is the pbuilder package required to create my source package?07:23
LaserJockno required really07:24
LaserJockbut suggested07:24
SAL123It contains many dependencies and I want to leave my chrooted ubuntu small.07:24
LaserJockwell, pbuilder actually cuts down on dependencies07:24
LaserJockbut does take up quite a bit of disk space07:25
SAL123LaserJock: PackagingGuide says about pbuilder to create the source package. Any other way? I have my .dsc and orig package build by dephelper tools (my package from debian).07:25
LaserJockoh ok07:26
LaserJockthen you need to install the build depdencies07:26
LaserJockor way07:26
LaserJock*wait07:26
LaserJockyou just want to build a source package? or a .deb?07:27
SAL123LaserJock: My deb builds fine, just I can't find a source package on my disk.07:31
SAL123-rw-r--r-- 1 ondrejj ondrejj    577 Oct 12 19:16 sagator_1.0.0-0beta27.dsc07:31
SAL123-rw-r--r-- 1 ondrejj ondrejj 214657 Oct 12 19:15 sagator_1.0.0-0beta27.tar.gz07:31
SAL123-rw-r--r-- 1 ondrejj ondrejj 361462 Oct 12 19:16 sagator_1.0.0-0beta27_all.deb07:31
FujitsuEw, native.07:31
SAL123that are my packages build from my source, there is no "patch" required, because it is my own project and it has all included in sources.07:32
FujitsuSAL123: The source package is that .dsc and .tar.gz.07:32
FujitsuAh...07:32
FujitsuHowever, you need a .changes. How are you building it?07:32
SAL123Fujitsu: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot07:33
FujitsuSAL123: I recommend that you build with `debuild -S'.07:33
SAL123Fujitsu: I want to avoid installing all required dependecies, if it is possible.07:36
LaserJockSAL123: debuild -S is what you want07:37
FujitsuSAL123: You should also be test-building, so will need the build-dependencies anyway...07:37
LaserJockit's a wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage that also does the signing07:37
SAL123A lot of X* applications, spell checkers and more packages required py pdebuild. I want to use launchpad to build my packages and free some disk space, not use more of them. :(07:39
LaserJockwell, it's not very idea to not test your packages at all07:40
LaserJock*ideal07:40
LaserJockyou can save yourself a lot of trouble using pbuilder rather than waiting for a build to fail on Launchpad07:41
FujitsuYou should always test the build locally first; PPAs are not a test-building dumping ground.07:41
LaserJockSAL123: the dependecies should take all that much disk space07:41
LaserJockdepending on the package07:42
Fujitsus/should/shouldn't./07:42
Fujitsus/\.//07:42
LaserJockyeah07:42
SAL123hmm, my package builds well with dpkg-buildpackage07:43
LaserJockright07:43
FujitsuOh, you're using *p*debuild?07:43
SAL123builds well on 2 debians, one ubuntu, fedora, suse, gentoo07:43
LaserJockok, well if you're building it already then it shouldn't be a problem right?07:43
SAL123all of them (except gentoo) builds automatically in my chroots.07:44
LaserJockok, then that would be at least some for of testing, although not as thorough as pbuilder07:45
SAL123Each beta/rc/stable release is built automatically in chroot and put into proper repository on my web. But I am limited with disk space and want to add more supported distributions, for example more ubuntu versions now.07:45
LaserJockwell, pbuilders are very nice for that07:48
LaserJockbecause it is a compressed chroot environment that stays clean07:48
SAL123Is it working to chroot in another chroot?07:49
LaserJockin any case, at a minimum if you have a .dsc and .tar.gz you can run debuild -S instead of dpkg-buildpackage and you should get a .changes file07:49
SAL123I have no real ubuntu installed, just an chrooted one. :)07:50
LaserJockSAL123: you can install it in the chroot07:50
LaserJockor in a Debian install if you have one07:50
SAL123LaserJock: ok, I will try, there is no other option for me :(07:50
LaserJockit would be nice if you didn't have it as a native package (where the debian/ director is a part of the tar.gz) but that's up to you07:51
SAL123After unpacking 528MB will be used.     Wrrr.... :(07:52
LaserJockSAL123: what is that for?07:53
SAL123LaserJock: aptitude install pdebuild07:53
LaserJockSAL123: try aptitude -r install pbuilder07:53
SAL123LaserJock: Much better, just 4 MB. It will work?07:54
LaserJockyep07:54
SAL123LaserJock: Thanks. It's an ideal solution for me. :-)07:55
LaserJockwell07:56
LaserJockit'll get bigger07:56
LaserJockthe compressed chroot will take ~100MB07:56
LaserJockand you'll need enough disk space to actually build the thing, but it cleans up when it's done07:56
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LaserJockand it's fairly easy to have pbuilders for multiple Ubuntu/Debian versions07:57
LaserJockso you can have one Ubuntu chroot with multiple pbuilders to build for various releases07:57
LaserJockrather than creating several different chroots07:57
SAL123LaserJock: I know, similiar application for Fedora is named mock. :)08:00
LaserJockah yes08:02
LaserJockwe had the guy who made mock come by the other day08:02
carlosmorning08:03
LaserJockwell, time for bed08:03
LaserJockcarlos: hi .. bye08:03
LaserJockSAL123: good luck08:03
carlosLaserJock: good night!08:04
SAL123My package has been uploaded by dput, do I need to request a build?08:04
SAL123I can't find it on Ubuntu builds page.08:04
SAL123LaserJock: Thank you. :)08:05
LaserJockSAL123: make sure to read through the PPA Quick Start guide08:05
LaserJockhttps://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart08:05
* LaserJock out08:05
SAL123LaserJock: already read, it says only that If the build fails, you will receive a failure notification. 08:05
SAL123The quickstart is very quick, usable just for experienced packagers.08:06
oly-hi, i have my project hosted on launchpad, im looking ito getting it translated and noticed launchpad has a translation feature, but it wants a .pol file what are these and where can i find information about how to create them ?08:53
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SAL123The icomming directory in dput.cf must always end with "ubuntu"?08:59
ubotuNew bug: #172747 in soyuz "copy-package.py claims package isn't in -proposed when a -backports version exists" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17274709:00
sorenSAL123: For PPA's, yes.09:00
mrevellmorning09:13
carlosoly-: hi09:14
carlosoly-: a .pot file is the file format used by gettext library to translate applications09:14
carlosthere are some tools to convert from other file formats into .pot files so you can use Launchpad for translations09:15
SAL123soren: And what if I missed and sent my package with wrong directory?09:18
sorenSAL123: Probably nothing.09:19
oly-okay, carlos thxs will look into gettext library, 09:19
carlosoly-: what application are we talking about?09:20
oly-a python application, basically web managment tool09:21
oly-its all in english at moment, never tried to add support for translations in the passed so looking into it09:21
SAL123soren: Right. It's my problem. What now? I can't upload it again, because it says that it is already uploaded.09:21
sorenSAL123: dput -f ppa asdfasdfasdf.changes09:21
sorenSAL123:      ^^09:22
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SAL123soren: thanks09:22
SAL123What must be in my .dput.cf in []? The user name or the package name? Must be followed by -ppa?09:51
dokohow can I add a hosted branch for a team in LP?09:59
doko"You cannot assign a +junk branch to a team. Create a project first."10:01
carlosoly-: python documentation documents how to use gettext10:13
oly-yeah found that, also found an example tutorial to look at10:13
oly-because the python documentation did not seem that clear to me10:14
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carlosoly-: ok10:31
oly-but thxs not heard of gettext till now :)10:32
carlosoly-: you are welcome :-)10:42
ubotuNew bug: #172773 in launchpad "ProductReleaseFile doesn't have an owner column" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17277310:45
SAL123Step 4: Launchpad will give you an accepted or rejected upload notification. How it will give me this?11:00
FujitsuSAL123: Email11:03
SAL123Fujitsu: And if there is no one? What's wrong?11:03
FujitsuSAL123: It likely means you've signed it with a key that Launchpad doesn't know about, or no key at all.11:05
FujitsuSAL123: Did you find the correct upload location in the PPAQuickStart?11:06
SAL123Fujitsu: incomming = ~ondrejj/ubuntu/      <- do you mean this?11:06
SAL123Fujitsu: I don't know, what to replace in example .dput.cf and what to leave unchanged.11:08
FujitsuSAL123: Incoming should be spelt with a single m, but that looks to be otherwise correct.11:09
SAL123Fujitsu: i have proper one in my config, just typo when copying :)11:09
SAL123Fujitsu: my complete config looks like this: http://pastebin.com/d3eaadd4911:10
FujitsuSAL123: That looks sane.11:11
SAL123Fujitsu: And what now? dput says at end: "Successfully uploaded packages."11:11
FujitsuSAL123: When did you upload it?11:11
SAL123Fujitsu: But nothing found on: https://launchpad.net/~ondrejj/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all11:11
SAL123Fujitsu: many times, first aprox. hald hour ago.11:12
SAL123Fujitsu: half hour ago11:12
FujitsuSAL123: Are you sure the .changes is signed properly?11:12
FujitsuIf you view it, does it have a signature visible?11:12
SAL123Fujitsu: yes, there is a signature. IMHO there is no other key in my chrooted ubuntu.11:13
SAL123gpg: Signature made Št 29. november 2007, 12:02:11 CET using DSA key ID 6B822FE711:14
SAL123gpg: Good signature from "Jan ONDREJ (SAGATOR) <ondrejj@salstar.sk>"11:14
FujitsuSAL123: OK, that looks fine...11:14
cprovmorning, folks11:17
FujitsuHey cprov.11:17
SAL123Fujitsu: Any ideas, what to do?11:18
FujitsuSAL123: I'm trying something, I'll report back in a bit more than a minute.11:18
SAL123Fujitsu: thanks, I am going to lunch :)11:19
FujitsuSAL123: Are you sure you're uploading the correct .changes, and the rejected mail isn't being caught by a spam filter somewhere?11:21
daubhow can i enable the bug report for a project?11:23
Fujitsudaub: Go into the `Change Details'11:23
Fujitsu... page of the project, and scroll down to around the middle.11:24
FujitsuThere should be a selector for the bug tracker there; select Launchpad in it.11:24
daubok, i'm in overview->change details. but i don't see a selector11:26
Fujitsudaub: Around the middle, `Bugs are tracked:'11:27
FujitsuThere are three option buttons with a drop-down list.11:27
daubhttps://launchpad.net/~daub/+edit11:28
daubis the the right url?11:28
Fujitsudaub: Ah, that's the page for your person.11:29
FujitsuYou can't file bugs on a person...11:29
daub:)11:29
FujitsuYou're looking for /forecastgnome/edit+?11:29
FujitsuEr, +edit11:29
ubotuNew bug: #172780 in rosetta "translated strings counts translations that may not be translated in Launchpad anymore" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17278011:30
FujitsuYay, third bug like that I've seen in 24 hours...11:31
daubFujitsu: now i found it. thanks11:31
Fujitsudaub: Great.11:32
SAL123Fujitsu: I think it is the correct changes file.11:43
SAL123Fujitsu: There is only one in my chroot.11:43
SAL123Fujitsu: I have my own server and I can't find email with text "launchpad.net" in my spambox.11:45
Fujitsucprov: Are you able to quickly look at any upload logs for ~ondrejj and see what is happening?11:45
FujitsuIt is signed with the correct key.11:45
cprovFujitsu: PPA or primary ?11:48
SAL123cprov: primary11:48
SAL123cprov: oops11:48
SAL123cprov: ppa :)11:48
cprovta11:48
SAL123cprov: sorry :)11:48
Fujitsucprov: PPA.11:49
* Fujitsu is too late.11:49
cprovFujitsu: Subject: dvd95_1.3p0-0ubuntu1_source.changes rejected -> Signer has no upload rights to this PPA ?11:50
SAL123cprov: not, it's not mine11:50
Fujitsucprov: That was me testing that it was actually accepting uploads, sorry.11:51
Fujitsus/accepting/processing/11:51
cprovI see11:51
cprovFujitsu: SAL123 -> Signing key B32D056EF40213C64B47C43B08AA50066B822FE7 not registered in launchpad.11:52
Fujitsucprov: That key is! Or maybe we have a collision..11:52
Fujitsu'twas the first thing I checked, though the fingerprint could be different.11:52
SAL123My fist upload has been uploaded without proper registration.11:52
FujitsuAh.11:53
cprovSAL123: could you try again now ?11:53
FujitsuPreferably in the next 50 seconds.11:54
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SAL123cprov: sure, done11:54
cprovthx11:54
cprovJan ONDREJ (SAL) <ondrejj(at)salstar.sk>: no @ found in email address part.11:55
FujitsuHahaha.11:55
SAL123:-)11:55
FujitsuShouldn't it then email the signer at their default email address?11:56
cprovFujitsu: possibly, first time I've seen this error11:56
SAL123Which email? In key or in package?11:56
* Hobbsee waves11:57
FujitsuHey Hobbsee.11:57
cprovFujitsu: debuild and/or dput should scream before. Does dak support this ?11:57
SAL123There is only a Maintainer: tag in .dst and .changes file with (at) string. I can't find other.11:57
Fujitsucprov: That's a good question. I haven't looked at much of dak.11:58
Fujitsucprov: It's fine to fail on it, but it should at least email the signer, as it knows a contact address from the key.11:59
* SAL123 is trying to upload a modified package with maintainer without (at).11:59
FujitsuBlack-holing uploads is a bad idea unless there is no alternative.11:59
elmodak will reject that12:00
elmoFujitsu: that's not necessarily a good idea12:00
Fujitsuelmo: Why not?12:00
elmoFujitsu: e.g. I could take some anti-ubuntu debian's persons uploads and feed them to PPA.  soyuz certainly shouldn't mail him/her just because they signed the upload12:00
Fujitsuelmo: That's true, but there are much worse things that can be done like that. They'll get accepted emails otherwise.12:01
elmono, they won't get accepted emails12:01
elmobecause the upload has to be targeted for ubuntu/ppa to get accepted12:01
Fujitsuelmo: I can upload a package from the primary archive to my PPA using the same .changes.12:02
elmothe primary _Ubuntu_ archive12:02
elmoand that's still a bug12:02
FujitsuRight.12:02
elmowhich is getting fixed, AFAIK12:02
FujitsuYou have a point.12:02
Fujitsuelmo: But I can upload something signed by me to an arbitrary person's PPA (indeed, I did that just before to test), and it will give me a rejected mail.12:03
FujitsuI can presumably do that with lots of DD's packages too.12:03
FujitsuAnd generally spam the hell out of everybody.12:03
* Hobbsee wonders waht the discussion is on12:03
elmoFujitsu: with what as the target suite?12:03
Fujitsuelmo: hardy.12:04
Hobbseeoh, mailing the person on a reject.  right12:04
* Fujitsu tries to upload something targetted at sid to PPA.12:04
HobbseeFujitsu: an anti-debian person wouldn't upload to hardy.12:04
Hobbseeer, anti-ubuntu person wouldn't target stuff to hardy12:04
FujitsuHobbsee: Right, but I think it'll still reject them... Unknown suite, or so.12:04
Hobbseethis seems to be an argument about why we should, or should not have public signed changes files, then.12:05
elmonot really12:05
elmoI'm just saying with the current passive reject stuff, who it mails has to be very very carefuly thought through with maliciousness in mind12:05
FujitsuHobbsee: It is specifically an argument over whether this corner case shouldn't be emailed.12:06
elmoIIRC, cprov was looking at changing uploads to something that would allow for active/real time feedback and avoid almost all of this12:06
FujitsuThere is more malicious stuff that can be done with PPAs than emailing signers because they used incorrect email syntax.12:06
HobbseeFujitsu: and far more efficient ways of spamming big groups of people through lauchpad, too12:07
elmoFujitsu: dude, you're arguing for doing something bad, because there are existing bugs in this area12:07
FujitsuHobbsee: This is true.12:07
elmoHobbsee: in terms of Debian/Ubuntu relations, using Launchpad to spam Debian folks is about as efficently destructive as it gets12:07
Hobbseeelmo: agreed.  12:08
Hobbseeelmo: i was thinking globally over LP, but i see your point.  i now also see what your corner case actually *is*.12:08
Fujitsuelmo: You are correct on both counts.12:08
Fujitsuelmo: Is there a better way to notify people, though?12:10
FujitsuWait, why would an anti-Ubuntu person have their key registered in LP anyway?12:10
elmoFujitsu: well, if we stopped using ftp, and moved to something which gave more immediate feedback - directly to the person doing the upload, that would avoid this entire class of problems12:10
FujitsuIf they thought it was that evil..12:10
cprovFujitsu: not on a anonymous ftp server.12:10
FujitsuThat's true12:11
HobbseeFujitsu: to put crap on the bug reports and specs, etc, etc, etc.12:11
FujitsuI wouldn't have imagined Soyuz would be planning to diverge from the norm so much, but that is a good thing.12:12
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SAL123My bulid request has been accepted. When it will be displayed on: https://launchpad.net/~ondrejj/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all   ?12:14
FujitsuSAL123: Within about 10 minutes, I believe, but cprov will be able to tell you for sure.12:15
cprovSAL123: 30 minutes in average.12:16
Fujitsucprov: Is queue-builder still taking ages, or is there another thing that creates the build records?12:17
SAL123There is no "waiting build" status on a page? When displaying "All states" this does not display my job after accepting immediatelly in a waiting state?12:19
FujitsuSAL123: Build records are not created immediately upon upload.12:20
cprovFujitsu: exactly, not yet.12:20
Fujitsucprov: It would be a lot less confusing to have the incoming processor create them, I think. Is that on the roadmap?12:21
cprovFujitsu: yes, 1.1.1212:23
FujitsuAh, good.12:23
=== kiko-afk is now known as kiko
* Fujitsu wonders if we can steal usernames that appear to have not been used for anything (perhaps only ShipIt)12:37
kikoFujitsu, you can, yes.12:38
=== neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde
Fujitsukiko: Can I please transform into william, then? They control @ubuntu.com emails address, so it'd be nice to have a better one.12:40
kikoFujitsu, what is it today?12:40
Fujitsukiko: fujitsu12:40
FujitsuHobbsee: Staying for a while this time?12:41
Hobbseegrrr12:41
* Fujitsu finds the uiv2-inline-navigation spec to look counterproductive.12:41
HobbseeFujitsu: if my X doesn't crash a third time in ~5 mins, yes.12:41
kikoFujitsu, you know, it is going to be much harder to find you on launchpad if you use fujitsu as your IRC nick though12:42
Fujitsukiko: That's true. I was planning to change my IRC presence to something else (say, wgrant) at some point, but never got around to it.12:43
HobbseeFujitsu: you're not a canonical employee.  that only happens for them :P12:43
FujitsuHobbsee: tepsipakki is lost, tseng is, soon to be me too!12:44
kikoFujitsu, if you want we can change everything at once and be consistent :)12:44
Fujitsukiko: Perhaps. I might become wgrant across the board then, which I can probably do without duck intervention.12:45
kikoFujitsu, ok. think it over and let me know; I'm happy to give you william as you are a most valued member, but I don't want to leave things more confusing than they are :)12:46
* Fujitsu probably shouldn't be polluting namespaces with such common names, either.12:47
kikowe could blacklist william. that'd be most evil. :)12:49
Hobbseeincomming soyuz bug.12:49
* Hobbsee has pondered taking over sarah.12:49
ubotuNew bug: #172798 in soyuz "Builddmaster leaves buildlogs behind in /tmp" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17279812:55
daubdaub can i upload a package to the ppa without creating a source package?13:05
daubbecause my project is python based13:06
Fujitsudaub: No. Binary packages must be built from source inside Launchpad; manual binary uploads will be rejected.13:06
daubok13:07
lamontHobbsee: what if sarah doesn't want to be taken over?13:16
Fujitsulamont: ... then she'll get attacked with a certain stick. Duh.13:16
lamontlol13:16
Hobbseelamont: oh...there really is a sarah now.  there wasnt' before.13:17
lamontthe one I'm thinking of has existed for 15 years or so. :-)13:17
lamontbut I realize now that you just want to take over a _nick_.  not some other corpus.13:20
lamontmy bad13:20
Hobbseelamont: no, i'll take over every sarah on earth, i think :)13:22
FujitsuTaking over Nicks and Sarahs? There go my two siblings.13:24
ubotuNew bug: #160683 in ubuntu "vmware-server: Package requests recursive update (dup-of: 172275)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16068313:31
ubotuNew bug: #164277 in vmware-server (partner) "vmware-server upgrade problem (dup-of: 172275)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16427713:35
kikot-1013:48
* Hobbsee wonders when the ext user meeting is13:49
Hobbseeer, next13:49
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kikot-113:57
* kiko winks at BjornT 13:57
BjornTwelcome to this weeks Launchpad developers' meeting14:00
BjornTwe'll talk about Launchpad development for the next 45 minutes14:01
ddaame14:02
BjornT== Agenda ==14:02
BjornT* Roll call * Agenda * Next meeting * Actions from last meeting * Oops report (Matsubara) * Critical Bugs (Rinchen) * Bug tags * Operations report (mthaddon) * DBA report (stub) * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen) * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)14:02
BjornT---- * Death to `[trivial]` (SteveA) * Clear up old work-in-progress branches (mwhudson)14:02
BjornT---- * Blockers14:02
mwhudsonme14:02
BjornTwho's here?14:02
barry_me14:02
flacosteme14:02
gmbme14:02
allenapme14:02
sinzuime14:02
ddaame14:02
stubme14:02
salgadome14:02
EdwinGrubbsme14:02
carlosme14:02
adeuringme14:02
bacme14:02
jtvme14:02
kikome14:02
schwukme14:03
mrevellme14:03
jtvApology: Danilo is at a conference14:04
BjornTjamesh, Rinchen, matsubara, jsk send their apologies14:04
BjornTSteveA_ might be a bit late14:04
BjornT* Next meeting14:06
BjornTwill anyone not be able to attend next week?14:06
stubAssuming my leave is (finally) approved, me14:06
kikoI'll be here14:06
mrevellI'll be sprinting along with mpt, matsubara, mthaddon and Rinchen, but I assume we'll be at the meeting14:06
jameshBjornT: I think that apology is old for me.  Didn't realise it was there14:07
carlosI'm on leave14:07
carlosuntil next year...14:07
SteveA_BjornT: me14:07
jtvjamesh: a standing apology, cool idea.14:07
BjornTok, that should be fine. next meeting will be 2007-12-06 at 1400 UTC14:07
BjornT* Actions from last meeting14:08
BjornTthere doesn't seem to a log from last meeting, so i don't know if there were any actions. anyone remember?14:08
SteveA_BjornT: I will be on vacation next week14:08
BjornTSteveA_: ah, i thought wanted to raise your present. who will chair the meeting next week?14:09
SteveA_BjornT: would you like to do it again?14:09
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BjornTSteveA: sure14:09
BjornT* Oops report (Matsubara)14:10
BjornTmatsubara isn't here. did he delegate the oops report to anyone?14:10
salgadoFirst congratulations to the Translations guys for nailing down bug 30602. The new top timeout contender is bug 50617, which intellectronica is already taking care of.14:10
salgadoBjornT: Rinchen asked me to keep an eye on +filebug timeouts. We had five timeouts on +filebug yesterday: OOPS-697C31, OOPS-697C318, OOPS-697E26, OOPS-697C1706, OOPS-697D1789. Can you investigate and check if they're regressions of bug 86361?14:10
salgadoThat's all for today.14:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 - Assigned to Jeroen T. Vermeulen (jtv)14:10
BUGabundohay14:10
BUGabundoI'm on edge14:10
BUGabundoand something really strange is going on14:10
ubotuBug 50617 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/50617 is private14:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 86361 in malone "Search for duplicate and similar bugs on +filebug sometimes timeout" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86361 - Assigned to Francis J. Lacoste (flacoste)14:10
ubotuhttps://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/697C3114:10
ubotuhttps://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/697C31814:10
ubotuhttps://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/697E2614:10
ubotuhttps://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/697C170614:10
ubotuhttps://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/697D178914:10
BUGabundothere's no text box to insert the package for bug submits!14:10
salgadoyep, that's his report, BjornT 14:10
BUGabundomdz: hya14:11
kikoBUGabundo, please /msg me, we're mid-meeting.14:11
BjornTok, i'll look at the +filebug timeouts later14:12
BjornT* Critical Bugs (Rinchen)14:12
mrevellHi14:12
mrevellI'm standing if for Rinchen this week14:12
mrevellas he's away.14:12
mrevellJoey sent me an email with two bugs to look at. My email provider is down at the moment, so I don't have the email to hand. However, carlos tells me that he's just commited a fix for bug n #16521814:13
mrevelland cprov I see you have a private critical bug. Can you tell me what the status is, please for bug 157552?14:13
ubotuBug 157552 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/157552 is private14:13
cprovshh ...14:14
cprovme14:14
mrevellcprov: /msg me if necessary14:14
cprovmrevell: k, continue14:14
mrevellDoes anyone else have a message they want me to pass to Rinchen regarding critical bugs?14:14
mrevell514:15
mrevell414:15
mrevell314:15
mrevell214:15
mrevell114:15
Hobbseemrevell: fix them all :)14:15
mrevellThanks BjornT14:15
BjornT* Bug tags14:15
SteveAcprov: would you update the bug report on 157552 to give an idea of the current situation?14:15
carlosHobbsee: ;-)14:15
cprovSteveA: will do, julian has 90% of the code done14:16
Hobbseecarlos: oh, and have it done by 3 weeks ago :)14:16
BjornTthere are three tags proposed: bugtag, hwdb, and feeds14:16
bigjoolsI'm here, sorry I'm late14:16
BjornTi think we discussed these tags last week. has anything changed since then?14:17
intellectronicai'm also here, b.t.w - only missed the first few minutes14:17
SteveAwell14:17
SteveAthe link against bugtag now returns no bugs14:17
SteveAbecause it goes to bugtags14:17
kikoright14:18
SteveAbut there are many bugs tagged with 'bugtag'14:18
SteveAwhich is what we agreed14:18
kikowe fixed14:18
kikothem14:18
SteveAso this tag can now become official on that page14:18
kikoRinchen updated all of them manually14:18
kikovery good14:18
kikoSteveA, about hwdb, were you against it?14:18
BjornTso, is 'bugtag' approved?14:18
SteveAyes14:18
SteveABjornT: yes14:18
SteveAkiko: I'm not totally against it.  More like -0 when there's only one bug that seems to apply14:19
SteveAI wonder also if it should be a project14:19
kikoSteveA, but there will be more bugs as the feature moves on.14:19
kikoit might be a separate project.. it sort of depends.14:19
kikothere are more bugs actually I believe14:19
kikopity abel is on vac14:19
kikoschwuk?14:19
adeuringI'm here :)14:20
SteveAhi abel!14:20
adeuringhi SteveA14:20
SteveAI'm thinking the hwdb should be a project, and the hwdb-client should be a project14:20
schwukkiko: I believe that the consensus last week was that there weren't enough bugs to justify the tag being official yet, but we wanted your input14:20
SteveAI don't feel very strongly on it though14:20
kikoSteveA, the client is a project indeed.14:21
adeuringRegrading the tag, I think too we can define it, when we need it14:21
kikothe backend is.. possibly best modeled as a project14:21
kikookay14:21
kikothanks guys14:21
kikoi'll update the page14:21
schwukSteveA: hwdb-client actually exists as as separate project already - hwtest14:22
SteveAthanks \sh 14:22
BjornTand what about 'feeds'? it has 14 examples14:22
SteveAthanks schwuk 14:22
SteveAI think we need a tag for feeds.  Should it be called 'feeds' or 'feed' ?14:22
* barry_ thinks feeds14:23
BjornTconsidering we renamed 'bugtags' to 'bugtag', maybe we should be consistent and call it 'feed'14:23
mrevell"feed" would sound odd14:23
schwukBjornT: except that feeds are rarely referred to in the singular14:23
baci prefer "feeds"14:23
kikofeeds14:23
kikoI think it should have been bugtags14:24
SteveAschwuk: "a line feed" ?   "a data feed"14:24
kikobut I don't care enough14:24
schwukSteveA: with regard to RSS/Atom/XML feeds14:24
* radix has an RSS feed.14:24
BjornTschwuk: well, the same applies for bugtag. you usally talk about 'tags'14:24
schwukBjornT: so I agree with kiko14:24
BjornTwell, me too actually14:25
kikoit should have been bugtags14:25
kikobut anyway14:25
SteveAlet's go with 'feeds'14:25
schwukradix: you may have one, but LP has multiple feeds14:25
BjornTso, let's approve 'feeds' then? we can consider renaming 'bugtags' later14:25
BjornTok14:25
kikoyes14:25
kikoFINE14:25
BjornT* Operations report (mthaddon)14:25
SteveAI think 'feed' implies it's about an individual feed, and feeds says to me it's about the infrastructure14:25
kikoright14:26
kikoagred14:26
SteveAwhich also suggests 'bugtags' :-)14:26
BjornTmthaddon doesn't seem to be here14:26
BjornTanyone has his report?14:26
SteveAwhich would mean I was rooting for the wrong side a couple of weeks ago, but anyway ... ;-)14:26
BjornTok, moving on. i'll ask mthaddon to send his report to the list14:27
BjornT* DBA report (stub)14:27
stubAll postgres instances are now running 8.2.5. The fixes in 8.2.4 and 8.2.5 did have a significant impact on some of our queries and things are now running nicer.14:27
stubI would like to know *right now* if we can reboot carbon for some fs tweaks14:28
SteveABjornT: please ask him to include in his report the current state of bug 157552 from his side14:28
ubotuBug 157552 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/157552 is private14:28
stubNothing else to report.14:28
jtvstub: we're running a test.14:28
BjornTSteveA: ok14:28
stubjtv: Please let elmo know when you are done then.14:28
jtvstub: ack14:28
SteveABjornT: or better yet, leave a comment on the bug14:28
jtvstub: it'll be a while14:28
SteveAstub: I don't believe we're running any demos for people on there just now.14:29
sinzuicould the DB upgrade be related the timeouts that bugs is experiencing?14:29
kiko253 timeouts. wow!14:30
stubMore timeouts than usual, or are they just noticeable now Rosetta isn't hogging the reports?14:30
BjornTi don't think there are more timeouts than usual. let's look at that later.14:31
stubUnlikely but possible. I don't think we will be going back though unless we have a dataloss or security type situation though so we need to deal anyway.14:31
BjornT* Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)14:32
BjornTmrevell: are you handling this as well?14:32
kikoI think there are much less timeouts in general14:32
stubWe have a *gasp* metric for this don't we?14:32
mrevellBjornT: I don't have anything for sysadmin requests, no.14:32
mrevellHowever14:33
SteveAkiko: 253 time-outs total -- and not so many from bugs.  am I looking at the right stats?14:33
kikostub, ha ha14:33
mrevelldoes anyone have something they'd like Joey's help in getting actioned?14:33
kikoSteveA, that's the right stats. 253 total. I was positively impressed14:33
mrevellAnyone have an RT request number they want Joey's help with?14:33
kiko5 4 3 2 1 14:34
BjornTok, let's move on14:34
BjornT* A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)14:34
mrevellMe again :)14:34
mrevellLooking at the Answers requests for Launchpad, there are two recurring questions:14:34
mrevell "Please delete xxx from my PPA" and "Please rename project xxx".14:34
mrevell We have plans to allow deleting packages from PPAs.14:34
mrevell Do we have plans to allow project owners to rename their projects without involving a Launchpad admin?14:35
kikonot right now14:35
ddaaWe used to have, Mark insisted that we don't.14:35
mrevellThere's actually a third question that comes up a bit - regarding project deletion, but I realise that's a bigger deal.14:35
mrevellOkay, that pretty much answers it, thanks.14:36
BjornTmrevell: done?14:36
kikowell14:36
kikoI think we can reconsider project renames14:36
kikoand definitely deletion 14:37
cprovmrevell: yes, PPA deletion UI is planned for 1.2.114:37
kikobut this work has not been scheduled yet14:37
stubWe need to dig up or remember the use cases for us disabling it. There was a reason at the time, I'm sure, but there is a good chance it is no longer valid.14:37
mrevellWe're not getting hundreds of requests, obviously but I wanted to see if it was something we could reconsider.14:37
BjornTok, we don't have time to discuss this now, so let's have that discussion elsewhere, and move on14:37
BjornT* Clear up old work-in-progress branches (mwhudson)14:37
mrevellthanks guys14:37
* mwhudson runs away, ddaa will take this14:38
ddaaAfter the lean training at UDS14:38
ddaathe code team decided to look for the status of all work-in-progress branches14:38
ddaaand clean up those that will never land14:38
ddaawe found this was a worthwhile exercise14:38
ddaaand encourage other teams to do the same14:39
ddaaI think that's it.14:39
BjornTddaa: might consider sending a mail to the list about it14:40
BjornT* Death to `[trivial]` (SteveA)14:40
BjornTSteveA: 14:40
SteveAthanks BjornT 14:40
SteveAthe review team discussed removing our use of the [trivial] tag to land code without review14:40
ubotuNew bug: #172816 in launchpad "launchpad focus browser on summary and "hides" package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17281614:40
SteveAnow that we have processes that allow more timely reviews14:41
SteveAthere should be much less overhead in getting small branches reviewed14:41
SteveAand the bzr project has had success with requiring a review for all landings, however trivial14:41
kikowow.14:41
kikothis is a big step!14:42
SteveAso, I propose we remove the [trivial] tag for 2 months, and see what happens14:42
SteveAwe need to introduce a different tag14:42
* ddaa raises hand14:42
SteveAto allow, for example, stub14:42
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SteveAand mthaddon14:42
flacostewe have rs=14:42
kikothey could use rs=14:42
SteveAto do procedural things that need doing via PQM14:42
sinzuisa=14:42
stubI was thinking db landings could go past the review team to see what happens. Might be confusion, might be helpful.14:42
SteveAso I propose we add [rollout] or something like that, for such tags14:42
kikoSteveA, I think stub's more on the right track14:43
SteveAsure, I'm in favour of keeping it consistent with no special cases14:43
stub[rollout] useful for ops stuff though - fixing configs and whatnot.14:43
SteveAif that's workable14:43
barry_iirc, mthaddon had no problem w/using existing procedures (sans trivial) for doing what he needs to do14:43
SteveAwe can review use of [trivial] at the end of january14:44
BjornTso, do we remove the [trivial] tag, or does it need more discussion? time is running out, so we won't have time to discuss it in this meeting.14:44
SteveAand see how the experiment went14:44
elmobarry: (actually, I'm pretty sure he asked for a [sysadmin])14:44
SteveABjornT: I will write a concrete proposal to the list14:44
barry_elmo, he did, but in a follow up agreed that it's probably not necessary14:44
BjornTok, let's move on then14:44
BjornT* Blockers14:44
SteveABjornT: I'd like everyone to note that [trivial] will be turned off next month14:45
ddaaCode: not blocked14:45
* barry_ can dig up the email if necessary (or just ask mthaddon again ;)14:45
SteveASC: not blocked14:45
BjornTBugs Team: no14:45
flacosteFoundations Team: not blocked14:45
bigjoolsSoyuz Team: Not blocked14:45
flacosteelmo: do you time today to do this meeting with barry?14:45
jtvTranslations team: not blocked14:46
mrevellRelease team not blocked14:46
bacCommercialization team: not blocked14:46
BjornTadeuring, schwuk: hwdb?14:46
adeuringHWDB team: not blocked14:46
BjornTis that everyone?14:46
BjornTok, meeting ended14:47
mrevellthanks BjornT, good job :)14:47
barry_thanks BjornT !14:47
kikothanks guys!14:47
* kiko waves14:47
* carlos too14:48
SteveAthank you BjornT !14:51
SteveAgreat meeting chairing.14:51
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ubotuNew bug: #172825 in malone "Bug status import should happen outside transaction blogs" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17282515:25
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dnearyHi15:29
dnearyWhen I download .po files from launchpad, I get some translations with "#-#-#-#-#  -  (PACKAGE VERSION)  #-#-#-#-#" lines in the middle15:30
dnearyThis ruins the translation presentation when I pull these down to my program and run po2ts - any idea why they're there?15:31
dnearyAnd how to avoid them?15:31
carlosdneary: they come from a merge of two po files, that comes from gettext tools, not from Launchpad15:37
carlosdneary: is a way to denote that the merge had a conflict so the user needs to resolve it manually15:37
dnearycarlos: Thanks15:50
dnearySo I need to tell some people off, or could this happen when uploading a .po into launchpad?15:50
carloswe don't do that kind of merge15:50
carlosso it's something your translators introduced15:50
carlosit may stay in Launchpad as a suggestion15:51
carlosbut just like any other bad translation15:51
dnearyIs there any way to search for all of these?16:04
dnearyAcross all languages?16:04
dnearyAnd stamp them out?16:04
dnearyIt's pretty widespread in the wengophone translations - I have 5 affected translations16:05
bud3030Were can i get info on my gpg16:26
bud3030I get this when I try to get a new gpg Invalid character16:40
intellectronicabud3030: what do you mean by "try to get a new gpg"?16:41
intellectronicabud3030: are you trying to upload a new gpg public key into launchpad?16:41
Hobbseeprobably tryign to create a new gpg key16:42
bud3030yes what is going on I change the the wiki namen to my real name16:42
bud3030now it ask for a new gpg to activate ppa16:43
bud3030Hobbsee thank for the reply16:43
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intellectronicabud3030: so, you take your public key and import it into launchpad by going to https://edge.launchpad.net/~bud3030/+editpgpkeys16:45
bud3030Hobbsee: it is tell me to but name prase and email16:45
Hobbseebud3030: are you trying to use a strange character that isnt on a default english keyboard, by any chance?16:46
Hobbseelike, something you have to use the compose key for?16:46
bud3030no 16:46
Hobbseewhat characters are you typing in?16:46
bud3030at first I typeed it in double quots the with out16:46
bud3030the qutos16:47
Hobbseeyou shouldn't need to use quotes with it at all16:47
intellectronicabud3030: try a program called "seahorse", which is a nice GUI to GPG. you may find it easier16:48
bud3030I all so deleted my ssh and old email16:48
bud3030intellectronica : I have seahorese install I will give it a try16:49
bud3030hobbsee: thanks for help also intellectronica16:52
intellectronicabud3030: np16:53
dokohow long does it take until a branch gets published on launchpad?17:00
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bbartekHi all19:05
kikoafternoon19:05
bbartekI just received my ubuntu membership on #ubuntu-members19:05
kikowell.. congratulations!19:06
bbartekis it possible to get an other launchpad name19:06
bbartekthank you kiko19:06
bbartekhttps://launchpad.net/~bart19:06
kikoit might be possible. 19:06
bbartekis from somebody who is not active19:06
bbartekhttps://launchpad.net/~broeckx19:07
kikowell19:07
bbartekthis is the one i have wright now19:07
kikoisn't it better to use bbartek?19:07
bbartekYes, i can use that one to but it's a short name19:08
bbartekmy real name19:08
kikowell, it's also going to make it harder to identify you19:08
bbartekand from someone who probably doesn't even use ubuntu anymore19:08
kikoi.e. you make an administrative request and I can't figure out who you are19:08
kikoor I can't guess who to assign the bug to19:08
kikoit's always much (much!) better to have a uniquish name19:09
kikoeven if it's cooler to have bart or fred or jane :)19:09
bbartekI do marketing and promotional activities 19:09
bbartekI'm not so active on launchpad19:09
bbarteki don't file bugs19:09
bbartekwell a few19:09
bbartekbbartek is also poosible if it's better for you19:10
kikowell, I'm fine either way. that was just my advice as someone who deals with this sort of thing every day. :)19:10
bbartekif it's possible and not to much work i prefer bart19:11
bbartekbut i will settle for bbartek to19:11
bbartekbart@ubuntu.com is cooler ;) 19:12
kikobbartek, okay, bart is freed now. 19:12
bbartekkiko: thx19:13
kikoyou can change your name in your +edit page19:13
bbartekok i'll do it now19:13
bbartekthanks a lot19:13
bbartekdone :)19:14
cyberixHow am I supposed to credit translators?19:20
kikocyberix, I'm not sure how you mean credit.19:26
kikodo you mean the translator-credits string?19:26
cyberixI collected latest po-files from Launchpad and I'm planning to include them in my upstream package.19:36
cyberixI'm talking about copyright19:36
cyberixThe translators have copyright in their translations19:36
cyberixBut I don't know who the translators are.19:37
LaserJockcarlos: ping19:58
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lifelesskiko: ping20:23
kikolifeless!20:23
lifelesswhy was debian-bzr merged into registry? debian-bzr is the debian bzr packaging team20:23
lifeless(oh, and how are you :))20:24
jelmerlifeless: no, debian-bazaar is the debian bzr packaging team20:28
jelmerdebian-bzr is a team I accidently created because I didn't know about debian-bazaar20:29
lifelessjelmer: ahha.20:30
lifelesskiko: so it sounds like I'm confused; is merging to registry how we delete teams ?20:30
kikolifeless, yes.20:30
kikowell, it's how /I/ delete teams20:30
kikonobody else does!20:30
lifelesskiko: the message to the user is very confusing20:31
kikolifeless, there are worse things in life; I prefer admins to clear out membership first, but jelmer gets special treatment20:32
kikolifeless, mpt has kept the bug on doing it properly open20:32
lifelesskiko: I see; its cool then.20:32
lifelessblame jelmer for me squawking20:32
lifelessjelmer: so debian-bazaar has just you in it20:33
jelmerhuh20:35
jelmerbleh, time to quit drinking or something.. had this happen before20:36
* jelmer filed two bugs about "bzr selftest -j", within a couple of months20:36
jelmerlifeless, kiko: Sorry for the trouble20:37
kikonah20:37
lifelessjelmer: so what team am I meant to be in ?20:37
jelmerdebian-bazaar - I'll add everybody to debian-bazaar20:38
carlosLaserJock: pong20:38
LaserJockcarlos: was just talking to the gcompris author20:38
carlosLaserJock: indeed, the bug is fixed... let me retry it...20:39
LaserJockcarlos: he says that the translations people are getting are incomplete, but do exist20:39
LaserJockI don't quite get why there should be any translations if there wasn't a .pot20:39
carloshmm, no, the template was already imported (sorry I'm so busy I even forgot I already did it...)20:39
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carlosLaserJock: we copy translations from one release to the other20:40
carlosLaserJock: so it would be for Feisty20:40
LaserJockhe said he didn't think it was Feisty20:40
LaserJockso either it was maybe messed up in Feisty too20:40
LaserJockor something else20:40
carlosthat's easy to check...20:40
LaserJockbut my brain is hurting over trying to figure out this translations stuff :-)20:41
carlosindeed, Feisty was broken too20:41
carlosLaserJock: last update was 2006-05-11 21:00:08.796834+00:0020:42
carlosLaserJock: I think last update we got was from Dapper...20:43
LaserJockoh ...20:43
LaserJockok, so to be clear, we're shipping the Dapper translations in Edgy, Feisty, and Gutsy?20:44
ubotuNew bug: #172907 in launchpad "Deleting an email address that's used in subscriptions cases referential integrity error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17290720:45
LaserJockcarlos: am I correct? ^^20:51
carlosLaserJock: yes, although each one will have some translation updates20:54
carlosLaserJock: the problem is that message changes to the English string will be missing20:55
LaserJockyep20:55
LaserJockso that would account for the weird incomplete translations people are complaining about20:55
LaserJocksince there have been new upstream releases, etc. since Dapper20:55
LaserJockcarlos: ok, now with the new .pot I sent you will the upstream translations be given preference over what is in LP?20:58
carlosright20:58
LaserJockcarlos: hmm, can I give you a Feisty .pot as well?20:59
LaserJockif we've got bad translations back to Edgy I'm thinking some Feisty users may benefit as well21:00
mptGooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!21:03
carlosLaserJock: please, send it to rosetta@launchpad.net I'm leaving right now for some days21:18
carlosLaserJock: so danilo or jtv do the upload21:18
LaserJockcarlos: ok thanks, and how often are new lang-packs created?21:18
KmosOOPS-698EC8521:19
carlosLaserJock: it's supposed to be done monthly, although that's not always true... is better that you talk with pitti about it21:19
KmosI'm at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/elfutils/+publishinghistory and clicked on version 0.127-4 and it goes at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/elfutils/0.127-421:19
Kmosbut got OOPS21:19
carlossee you all!!21:20
LaserJockcarlos: thanks again21:20
carlosyou are welcome21:20
carlosenjoy!!!21:20
ubotuNew bug: #172911 in launchpad "+publishinghistory causes OOPS when click in removed release version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17291121:35
xp_prghi all!  I created my vmware image with jeOS but it is working on my computer and not on another computer, can anyone help me?21:40
xp_prgI get error rejecting I/O to offline device21:41
xp_prgat the initramfs prompt21:41
bigoncould someone schedule a new try to build https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/lablgtk2/2.10.0-221:43
bigon?21:43
xp_prgcan anyone help me please:  https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-jeos/+question/1899621:44
daubhi, i want to upload my package to the ppa. but i get following error:21:46
daubhttp://rafb.net/p/oc8gs094.html21:46
xp_prgdoes anyone see me?21:46
daubdoes anyone know something about it21:46
daubthe output comes from dput21:47
mptxp_prg, #launchpad is about the Launchpad site. It is not a jeOS support channel.21:47
xp_prgok oops21:49
ubotuNew bug: #172915 in launchpad "Download files view on a release does not show "Delete Files" button" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17291521:50
ubotuNew bug: #172919 in launchpad "Need a "Delete" icon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17291921:56
Fujitsubigon: You want to ask for a give-back on #ubuntu-devel.22:30
bigonthx22:35
pooliehi22:54
cyberixHow long does it take after dput for packages to appear in PPA?22:59
Fujitsucyberix: It processes them every 5 minutes.23:00
cyberixWill source packages be built automagically into binary packages?23:07
Fujitsucyberix: Yes.23:08
cyberixHow long does this take then?23:09
Fujitsucyberix: Builds should be created within around 30 minutes of your upload, and then build soon (probably less than an hour) after that, depending on the load on the build machines.23:10
cyberixok23:11
cyberixthanks23:12
FujitsuHm, I see the launchpad-bazaar merging feature is used so often. I just created the 34th merge...23:12
somerville32Fujitsu, My project will be using it heavily soon23:27
denndacan I somehow subscribe myself to all bugs that are reported for an entire project?23:40
Fujitsudennda: Yes, just set yourself as the bug contact.23:41
imbrandonhrm i requested that my PPA have all packages removed ( prior to 1.1.11 rollout ) and they were marked "deleted" in the UI ( on edge ) within 24 hours, but now its been a week ( or more ) and they are still in the /pool , ideas ?23:42
denndaFujitsu: how? (I am not the one who registered the project)23:42
imbrandonhttps://edge.launchpad.net/~imbrandon/+archive   and   http://ppa.launchpad.net/imbrandon/ubuntu are the relevant urls23:43
Fujitsudennda: Ah, then I don't think you can do it yourself at the moment.23:43
denndaFujitsu: The one who actually registered the project could do so?23:43
dennda(/me wonders why that isn't possible for users who are eager to fix bugs) :D23:45
Fujitsudennda: Bug #3067.23:45
ubotuLaunchpad bug 3067 in malone "Subscribe to a project's bugs" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/306723:45
denndaI'll ask the 'owner' then. 23:46
denndaI see :)23:46
FujitsuBeing a bug contact implies additional privileges, unfortunately.23:46
denndaOh, that thing has been registered a while ago...23:47
Fujitsu?23:48
denndathanks for the hints, Fujitsu. I will get some rest now23:48
dennda(the blueprint)23:48
denndagood night23:48
denndaand thanks again23:48
FujitsuAh, yes, LP development isn't entirely rapid.23:48
FujitsuNight, and no problem.23:48

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