[03:35] <Burgundavia> kwwii: please email fridge-devel about any meetings you have
[09:21] <andreasn> kwwii: ping
[11:34] <kwwii> andreasn: hey man, wassup?
[11:35] <andreasn> oh, hi!
[11:35] <andreasn> not much, reporting bugs mostly
[11:35] <andreasn> as you might have seen in my blog, I'm also a hacker now ;)
[11:35] <kwwii> :-)
[11:35] <andreasn> and you?
[11:36] <kwwii> still working on this presentation, among other things
[11:36] <kwwii> playing around with button ideas
[11:36] <andreasn> let me know if you need any help
[11:37] <kwwii> I'll probably send you a copy of the presentation later today and you can tell me what you think is missing
[11:39] <andreasn> sounds great, thanks!
[11:41] <kwwii> andreasn: just read you mail about the status icons
[11:42] <andreasn> haven't managed to get something working with etched icons yet
[11:42] <andreasn> currently my experiments look bad on too dark backgrounds
[11:42] <kwwii> you raise a good point, I've talked to a couple of people and their are only two ways around it: code or simply saying that our set is supposed to be shown on the default panel
[11:43] <kwwii> I tried playing with different fills and strokes, etching, etc but I could not see a way to fix it with just art
[11:43]  * andreasn silently wishes everything wasn't so frigging themeable ;)
[11:44] <darkmatter> andreasn: hehe. you haven't even seen themeable yet ;)
[11:44] <andreasn> the white outline thing works well for HighContrast, but etched stuff probably looks a bit slicker
[11:44] <darkmatter> *surpresses evil laughter*
[11:45] <darkmatter> suppresses*
[11:45] <andreasn> why not just make it good by default? :)
[11:46]  * andreasn hides
[11:47] <kwwii> hehe
[11:56]  * darkmatter returns to working on Narcissus
[12:34] <troy_s> Assuming that the inner stroke happens, it would seem irrelevant how a dark icon's 'lighter' stroke appears when placed against a light background.  The inner stroke is there to provide the contrast against the BG, but if the icon itself is contrasting, is it terribly relevant that its inner stroke disappears?
[12:40] <troy_s> And I would sincerely hope that the clunky inner stroke / outer stroke / tertiary stroke 'usability' feedback loop is simply avoided altogether.  It is a good chunk of the reason that the icons end up looking clunky as hell.
[12:44] <andreasn> troy_s: hm? what icons? the notification ones, or the desktop ones?
[12:44] <troy_s> andreasn: Both.
[12:45] <andreasn> the monochrome icons I posted on the list?
[12:45] <andreasn> or the ones in gnome-icon-theme etc?
[12:46] <troy_s> andreasn: Not directly -- the statement was directed more at 'in general' -- your shapes against white simply look far superior than the ones with the outline against black.
[12:47] <andreasn> hm, so how do you suggest we solve the problem?
[12:47] <troy_s> andreasn: I don't see a problem at all.
[12:47] <andreasn> that black icons are invisible on black backgrounds?
[12:48] <troy_s> andreasn: Unless those pixels around the object are serving an aesthetic design reason (say as per kwwii 's quite slick icon etch look)
[12:48] <andreasn> hm, let me do some tests
[12:48] <troy_s> andreasn: It is too much worrying about that rather silly 'let's worry about every situation'
[12:49] <troy_s> andreasn: My inclination would be to design for whatever look tone the overarching look is going for, and simply not worry about the rest.
[12:51] <andreasn> http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/darkpanel.png
[12:52] <troy_s> andreasn: Ultimately, it is a simple reality that not all situations can be accommodated for, and nor should they.  Leopard doesn't worry about people who want to flip their tones to the same tone as their folders for example.  _No_ designer should worry about that sort of irrelevant situation.
[12:52] <troy_s> andreasn: Yep.  I wouldn't care.
[12:52] <andreasn> so, my point was that we actually are shipping themes with a varied panel background + that we have a "change the color" widget in the panel
[12:52] <troy_s> andreasn: Change your icon theme to one that works better.
[12:53] <andreasn> if we didn't have those preferences I would agree with you
[12:53] <andreasn> but apparently we do
[12:53] <troy_s> andreasn: What prefs?  Let them change it to something and have the icons disappear.
[12:54] <andreasn> so I suggested we should provide something that's a bit harder to break
[12:55] <troy_s> andreasn: Honestly, it is a completely foolish and ludicrous path to head down.  Rather like the photographer who wants to create a silhouette image and then worrying that the image doesn't work against a dark background.
[12:55] <troy_s> andreasn: The result will inevitably be as clunky as the rest of the stroke obsessed icons out there.
[12:55] <andreasn> would removing the panel properties window be a option?
[12:55] <andreasn> + the appearence capplet?
[12:56] <troy_s> andreasn: Off to work.  It is worrying about too much.  Worry about the prime aesthetic and let people who want black panels have a different theme.
[12:57] <andreasn> but you need to worry about it, as we make it super-easy to break stuff
[12:58] <andreasn> but yes, to some extent I agree
[13:01] <troy_s> andreasn: Yeah making things breakable is part of the beauty of Linux in general.  sudo rm -rf * works too.
[13:02] <troy_s> andreasn: But heck -- look at your sample and try to tell me that the rather elegant looking black on white isn't even remotely on the same page as the bulky black on black with white outline.
[13:03] <troy_s> andreasn: The difference is night and day.  In that rather extreme example, we can assume that the icons 'work' in approximately 75% of the situations, with 25% falling into the 'not working'.  It is situational though and balanced against the aesthetic.
[13:04] <troy_s> andreasn: Taken a step further, there are going to be icon themes that don't work with the overall 'tone' of the aesthetic direction of the desktop.  Another 'break' or just a simple reality that the look goes deeper than artificial 'rules'?
[13:13] <andreasn> oh, but they are the same icons, the stroke is rather invisible on the light background, but in case you change your widget colors, the icons won't go invisible
[13:14] <kwwii> andreasn: could you send me the mockup you made with the images embedded? I would like to include it in the presentation
[13:14] <andreasn> kwwii: sure
[13:14] <kwwii> andreasn: thanks man
[13:14] <andreasn> kwwii: I'll just need to fix the laundry first
[13:14] <kwwii> hehe, no hurry :-)
[13:14] <kwwii> man, you do a lot of laundry
[13:15]  * _MMA_ waves.
[13:15] <kwwii> guten morgen mr metal music addict
[13:16]  * _MMA_ wishes he could reply in German.
[13:16] <_MMA_> And wouldnt it be heir not mr? :)
[13:17] <_MMA_> (or something like that)
[13:17] <andreasn> kwwii: actually not that much, I just chat about it a lot :)
[13:23] <kwwii> very interesting stuff for conversation
[13:24] <kwwii> herr metal musik abhängige
[13:30] <_MMA_> :D
[13:33] <andreasn> kwwii: theme-mockup.svg?
[13:40] <kwwii> andreasn: yeah, the one that has the file browser, i think that was it
[13:40] <andreasn> sent
[13:44] <kwwii> andreasn: got it, thanks
[13:57] <kwwii> andreasn: hrm, it is still missing quite a few of the pics...did you embed all the images?
[13:57] <andreasn> I thought I did
[13:57] <andreasn> hm
[13:58] <andreasn> are you getting any images embedded?
[13:59] <kwwii> http://sincera.de/Screenshot.png
[14:00] <andreasn> Die angegebene Seite konnte nicht gefunden werden.
[14:00] <andreasn> I sent it again, embedded the images again
[14:01] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/Screenshot.png
[14:03] <_MMA_> kwwii: Is it possible to do the side pane the way you did? Without the handle and a different color from the main pane?
[14:04] <kwwii> _MMA_: yes, it is possible I think
[14:04] <_MMA_> In the theme or changes somewhere else? Outside of the theme was the only place I ever saw to do it.
[14:05] <_MMA_> And that usually applies it to all themes.
[14:05] <kwwii> the bg color works well already, the handle stuff would be coded
[14:06] <_MMA_> Separating the 2 panes though? Separate colors? Ive never found a way to do in in a theme. Unless Cimi or someone codes it. :)
[14:07] <kwwii> it works already, just set your nautilus bg to another color than the normal window bg
[14:08] <andreasn> kwwii: weird that it embeds the folders, but not system, the phone etc
[14:10] <kwwii> yeah, crazy
[14:10] <_MMA_> kwwii: Sure, but that applies system-wide. I wonder if this could be added to an engine?
[14:10] <kwwii> maybe it does not have the paths correctly
[14:11] <kwwii> _MMA_: no idea
[14:11] <_MMA_> So both options would need code. :(
[14:12] <_MMA_> I wish we could define where new icons came up by default in gconf. Right now Nautilus controls that.
[14:13] <kwwii> the more I theme gnome the more I find out how hard it is to do something really different :p
[14:14] <_MMA_> Yep. We have our changes finished though. Ubuntu Studio now uses 1 panel.
[14:19] <andreasn> kwwii: the one in the second mail didn't work either?
[14:19] <kwwii> andreasn: haven't tested it yet, in a meeting atm
[14:20] <andreasn> kwwii: hm, maybe it just works with stuff that's in the same directory or something
[14:22] <kwwii> andreasn: nope, this time it worked
[14:22] <andreasn> ah, good
[14:22] <kwwii> check this out:  http://macslow.thepimp.net/clips/reflected-widgets-1.ogg
[14:22] <andreasn> yeah, that was neat
[14:23] <_MMA_> That man is damn crazy.
[14:40] <_MMA_> Wow this is neat. Not some people's music but awesome concept. http://www.mudvayne.com/dullboy
[14:42] <_MMA_> kwwii: I hope you're in #ubuntu-meeting.
[14:43] <kwwii> _MMA_: yepp
[14:43] <_MMA_> Ok. I came late. :)
[14:43] <kwwii> you missed all the good stuff
[14:44] <kwwii> we even mentioned ubuntu-studio
[14:44] <andreasn> art meeting today?
[14:44] <_MMA_> Dammit! Why didnt you tell me? :(
[14:44] <kwwii> andreasn: nope the art meeting is on Saturday
[14:44] <kwwii> today was the weekly desktop-team meeting
[14:44] <andreasn> ah, ok. I hope I'll be able to attend
[14:45] <kwwii> yeah, I hope you can be there too
[14:45] <_MMA_> kwwii: How were we mentioned? Anything I need to be on top of?
[14:45] <kwwii> no, we were just talking about variants being able to theme the one screensaver with the logo
[14:46] <kwwii> and someone said "just do it like this, then ubuntu-studio or whoever can simply replace it"
[14:47] <_MMA_> What? The floating logo screensaver?
[14:47]  * kwwii has a smoke
[14:47] <kwwii> yepp
[14:47] <_MMA_> We already have a package for it.
[14:48] <_MMA_> That was done for Feisty.
[14:48] <kwwii> how do you package it, and does the ubuntu version still appear in the list?
[14:48] <_MMA_> No.
[14:48] <_MMA_> ubuntustudio-screensaver
[14:48] <_MMA_> It was simple.
[14:58] <BHSPitMonkey> kwwii, ping!
[15:01] <kwwii> BHSPitMonkey: yo
[15:04] <BHSPitMonkey> kwwii, I'm releasing a derived work which uses icons from Human;  Looking for info on fulfilling the license requirements
[15:04] <BHSPitMonkey> And I hear you're the man to talk to :)
[15:04] <kwwii> BHSPitMonkey: they should be cc-by-sa iirc
[15:05] <BHSPitMonkey> right
[15:05] <BHSPitMonkey> So I need to know how to by and sa in this case ^^
[15:06] <kwwii> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/
[15:06] <kwwii> basically you are free to change things, you just need to include attribution from where they came from and use the same licence
[15:07] <BHSPitMonkey> "You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor"
[15:07] <BHSPitMonkey> That's what I'm trying to hammer out
[15:07] <_MMA_> Just mention the original author and have the same license.
[15:07] <BHSPitMonkey> Do I need to include an AUTHORS file that lists out my sources and their authors?
[15:08] <kwwii> _MMA_: well, we paid for a lot of them to be made
[15:08] <_MMA_> kwwii: Oh yeah. I forgot they were made by Iconfactory.
[15:08] <kwwii> I guess that some were made by the community but I have no idea who exactly
[15:09] <BHSPitMonkey> Ouch
[15:09] <_MMA_> But the same would still apply.
[15:09] <kwwii> all of that work was before my time
[15:09] <BHSPitMonkey> So I need to look at meta in every SVG I rendered, then?
[15:09] <_MMA_> just look for the license files for the human set.
[15:09]  * BHSPitMonkey slumps
[15:09] <_MMA_> Synaptic will tell you where they are.
[15:10] <BHSPitMonkey> The human package comes with a Copyright file which lists the authors and then has the legalese cc-by-sa
[15:10] <kwwii> hrm, let me check this out
[15:11] <_MMA_> You should be able to copy that and add yourself to the list of names.
[15:11] <kwwii> well, neither daniel nor jeff ever made any of the icons themselves
[15:11] <kwwii> not sure why jeff is included in any of this
[15:11] <BHSPitMonkey> Yes, I found that out a few minutes ago when I contacted daniel :)
[15:12] <BHSPitMonkey> Who bounced me your way
[15:12] <kwwii> hehe, I should just bounce you back :p
[15:12] <kwwii> trying to clear this up with daniel now
[15:12]  * BHSPitMonkey gets out his special bouncing armor
[15:13] <kwwii> so at this point, it looks like we should keep the two guys in the AUTHORS file and add my name
[15:13] <kwwii> as I made some of the icons and packaged them
[15:16] <_MMA_> kwwii: re: Screensaver. Even though Ubuntu has its image in gnome-screensaver it was easy to create our own. Its a simple image and .desktop file. Setting it as a default however is another matter. I think we had to set some gconf keys.
[15:17] <kwwii> _MMA_: hrm, you should talk to ted gould on the desktop team about this...let him know your needs
[15:17] <_MMA_> nick?
[15:18] <kwwii> not sure of his nick...I think it is tedg
[15:19] <kwwii> ted at ubuntu.com is his email address
[15:20] <_MMA_> https://launchpad.net/~ted-gould
[15:20] <BHSPitMonkey> I've been wondering this for some time now... Why is the Gutsy wallpaper named warty-final-ubuntu.png ?
[15:20] <kwwii> _MMA_: exactly
[15:20] <_MMA_> lol
[15:21] <kwwii> BHSPitMonkey: because that is how they always did it and there is no way to change it now
[15:21] <kwwii> basically that is the real reason they keep telling me
[15:21] <_MMA_> BHSPitMonkey: Because changing it requires changes to configs.
[15:21] <kwwii> we will change it this time around
[15:21] <kwwii> it makes no sense what so ever
[15:21] <_MMA_> And it would now break upgrades.
[15:21] <kwwii> ubuntu-wallpaper would make so much more sense
[15:21] <_MMA_> Just drop the "warty" part.
[15:21] <kwwii> or that, right
[15:22] <_MMA_> Hmm.. Ted dropped off IRC. Ill look for him later.
[15:22] <kwwii> changing it now will mean breakage somewhere, but not doing it at some time makes no sense
[15:22] <BHSPitMonkey> I personally agree with having the (correct) version name prepended/appened
[15:23] <BHSPitMonkey> For the sake of having access to older wallpapers, and not having them collide
[15:23] <kwwii> right, that is also a good point
[15:23] <kwwii> but it makes updating much harder
[15:25] <_MMA_> Art packs with older art would be a better idea IMO. That can flux while having the current releases naming remain constant.
[15:26] <kwwii> I wish that more devs would get interested in this, as I do not have the time to figure this out on my own
[15:26] <_MMA_> ubuntu-wallpaper.png would be the current wall but would change to ubuntu-wallpaper-hardy.png when moved to the art pack for the next release.
[15:26] <_MMA_> kwwii: Ill help where I can as we have had to do the same thing.
[15:27] <kwwii> _MMA_: more than anything else we just need people to help with the packaging
[15:28] <_MMA_> kwwii: Its kinda crazy but as Ive dug deeper into things it really looks as though things are less concrete than I thought. Coming into development I thought things would have this whole structure and process setup. I was only half-right.
[15:29] <_MMA_> So much of it I have found was just done "because".
[15:29] <kwwii> hehe, totally true
[15:30] <_MMA_> I'm sure we can get you some packaging help.
[15:30] <BHSPitMonkey> Ha
[15:31] <BHSPitMonkey> I like the description title for the gutsy-wallpapers package
[15:31] <BHSPitMonkey> "Feisty Wallpapers"
[15:31] <kwwii> oops, I probably missed that
[15:31] <BHSPitMonkey> "Feisty Wallpapers   The default Wallpapers for Gutsy."
[15:31] <BHSPitMonkey> :)
[15:32] <BHSPitMonkey> kwwii, it's okay, nobody has to know...
[15:32]  * BHSPitMonkey sweeps this one under the rug
[15:32] <_MMA_> kwwii: Are you home?
[15:32] <kwwii> _MMA_: nope, but am I my way home in a minute or so
[15:33] <_MMA_> Ok. I want to Skype re:Packaging when you can.
[15:33] <_MMA_> gah
[15:33] <_MMA_> re: Packaging
[15:33] <_MMA_> (stupid smilies)
[15:34] <kwwii> _MMA_: I'll let you know as soon as I am home
[15:34] <_MMA_> np
[15:35] <BHSPitMonkey> Okay... I'm using the icons -and- the wallpaper, both of which come in ubuntu with by-sa licenses
[15:36] <BHSPitMonkey> So my game plan is to just release by-sa, include the Copyright file, and merge the author names into one list?
[15:45] <BHSPitMonkey> kwwii, right?  :)
[15:46] <_MMA_> He might be traveling now.
[15:46] <_MMA_> Wait aroud.
[15:47] <_MMA_> *around
[15:58] <kwwii> BHSPitMonkey: sounds like a good idea
[15:58] <kwwii> for your part, that is all you can really do...every other problem is up to us to fix
[15:59] <BHSPitMonkey> kwwii, want me to add you to that list?
[15:59] <kwwii> BHSPitMonkey: yes, please
[15:59] <kwwii> Kenneth Wimer kwwii at ubuntu dot com
[15:59] <BHSPitMonkey> thanks
[16:00] <BHSPitMonkey> that address will be @'ed for uniformity :P
[16:01] <BHSPitMonkey> kwwii, in the Copyright file, there are paragraphs outside of the license that talk about packaging, and that state the Ubuntu copyright
[16:01] <BHSPitMonkey> Scrap the packaging, leave the copyright?
[16:05] <kwwii> yeah, exactly
[16:06] <BHSPitMonkey> should your name be listed in respect to the wallpaper also, kwwii
[16:06] <kwwii> yes, but more important is Joseph Connors (I think he is already in it)
[16:07] <kwwii> BHSPitMonkey: this should be in the AUTHORS file for the wallpaper package
[16:07] <kwwii> Damian Vila <damianvila@gmail.com>
[16:07] <kwwii> Joseph Connors <josephconnors@gmail.com>
[16:07] <kwwii> Kenneth Wimer <kenneth.wimer@ubuntu.com>
[16:07] <kwwii> Jeff Waugh <jdub@perkypants.org>
[16:07] <kwwii> Daniel Holbach <daniel.holbach@ubuntu.com>
[16:07] <BHSPitMonkey> and all the names go under the section "Upstream Author" in the Copyright file?
[16:07] <BHSPitMonkey> yes, I have that file open as well
[16:07] <BHSPitMonkey> I notice the Copyright authors don't match the AUTHORS authors
[16:07] <kwwii> hrm, I wonder how that copyright file is created
[16:08] <kwwii> as it is not in the package itself
[16:08] <kwwii> it must be created later somehow
[16:08] <BHSPitMonkey> ... yes, it is...
[16:08] <kwwii> hrm, I wonder how that happens
[16:08] <BHSPitMonkey> it's in /usr/share/doc/packagename in both debs
[16:08] <Burgundavia> kwwii: did you get my ping about emailing fridge-devel about meetings?
[16:09] <kwwii> Burgundavia: nope, didn't see that
[16:09] <BHSPitMonkey> or am I understanding you wrong
[16:09] <kwwii> BHSPitMonkey: I mean that it is not in the bzr repo of the source code
[16:10] <BHSPitMonkey> gotcha
[16:10] <Burgundavia> kwwii: basically, when you announce a meeting, cc it to fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[16:10] <kwwii> Burgundavia: cool, I'll do that in the future, thanks
[16:10] <Burgundavia> no worries
[16:17] <BHSPitMonkey> kwwii, Copyright : http://bhspitmonkey.pastebin.com/m6a2e84b6
[16:18] <BHSPitMonkey> kwwii, AUTHORS : http://bhspitmonkey.pastebin.com/d1018dcaa
[16:18] <BHSPitMonkey> look all right?  (Thanks for helping me through this, by the way :)
[16:18] <kwwii> BHSPitMonkey: looks good to me
[16:23] <BHSPitMonkey> kwwii, are just having the files in the package enough?  In the package management deal this is going to, there's a description and an optional installation pop-up message
[16:23] <BHSPitMonkey> I guess it is enough, that's how the package comes in ubuntu
[16:24] <kwwii> yeah, I think it is enough
[16:25] <BHSPitMonkey> kwwii, great
[16:25] <BHSPitMonkey> kwwii, now I get to go through this whole process again with the Tango people ;)
[16:25] <BHSPitMonkey> theming is hard!
[16:25] <kwwii> :p
[16:25] <kwwii> hey, it is just artwork!
[16:26] <kwwii> that is what everyone says until they actually do it
[16:26] <BHSPitMonkey> yeah, and a bunch of baggage
[16:26] <BHSPitMonkey> curse this world and its barriers to innovation!
[16:26] <BHSPitMonkey> innovation and iPhone skins!
[16:27] <kwwii> hehe
[17:30] <_MMA_> kwwii: When you get a chance look back in -desktop re: fading wallpapers.
[18:30] <kwwii> _MMA_: dude, how do you set up an external monitor?
[18:30] <_MMA_> Well that the 10k question isnt it. ;)
[18:30] <_MMA_> Do you want a higher res or just a mirror?
[18:31] <_MMA_> displayconfig-gtk should be of some help.
[18:31] <_MMA_> Ill be back in a bit. Im in the middle of lunch/cleaning.
[18:31] <kwwii> I want to do the full 1920 on the new 24"
[18:32] <_MMA_> You got it?
[18:32] <kwwii> yeah, I am not good at waiting
[18:32] <_MMA_> lol. Its there now?
[18:32] <kwwii> so on the way back from taking my son to basketball I picked one up
[18:32] <_MMA_> lol!
[18:32] <_MMA_> I gotta see. It really depends on the GFX card.
[18:33] <kwwii> I bought a hyundai 24" with 2ms reaction time, 3000 contrast and 400 brightness
[18:33] <_MMA_> but Ill be back.
[18:33] <kwwii> ok, see you around
[22:01] <BHSPitCSP> kwwii: yo
[22:07] <kwwii> BHSPitCSP: hey
[22:14] <BHSPitCSP> kwwii: I'm probably worrying too much, but before I send this theme in I wanted to know about the name issue...
[22:15] <kwwii> BHSPitCSP: what exactly do you mean?
[22:15] <BHSPitCSP> I know Ubuntu doesn't look kindly upon name-twisting when it comes to Ubuntu spin-offs
[22:16] <kwwii> explain the situation to me and perhaps I can give you advice
[22:17] <BHSPitCSP> it's that program theme I'm making, which uses ubuntu icons and wallpaper (which we had a lengthy discussion about earlier :)
[22:20] <_MMA_> BHSPitCSP: And? (or are you a slow typer?)
[22:24] <BHSPitCSP> _MMA_: sorry, highlights don't work on this nick, and I had something else open
[22:24] <BHSPitCSP> and I'm just trying to name it appropriately.
[22:25] <_MMA_> But you havnt said what the problem is.
[22:25] <_MMA_> Just lay it all out. Dont make us dig. ;)
[22:26] <BHSPitCSP> _MMA_: Problem: Coming up with a title for an Ubuntu-based iPhone theme is hard when the Ubuntu Trademark rules are hazy.
[22:27] <_MMA_> As you are just doing this as a "community" thing, you will be fine. Just mention the proper authors.
[22:28] <BHSPitCSP> _MMA_: we spent plenty of time ensuring that task this morning, remember? :)
[22:28] <_MMA_> SO then there's no issue.
[22:28] <_MMA_> *so
[22:28] <_MMA_> gah
[22:28] <_MMA_> *So
[22:28] <BHSPitCSP> So
[22:29] <BHSPitCSP> Happen to have any clever name ideas?  :P
[22:29] <BHSPitCSP> iPhuntu just seems lazy.
[22:29] <_MMA_> As I have my own things like that to worry about, no. ;) Its all you.
[22:29] <BHSPitCSP> Heh.
[22:32] <BHSPitCSP> maybe the Human Touch
[22:33]  * _MMA_ is AFK.
[22:44] <kwwii> BHSPitCSP: I think you can use something like Ubuntu-Human
[22:44] <kwwii> or Human Touch
[22:44] <kwwii> just make sure that Human and if possible Ubuntu shows up
[22:45] <kwwii> _MMA_: by the way, my laptop is only 10.6"
[22:45] <kwwii> just measured it
[22:45] <kwwii> so I went from 10.6" to 24"
[22:49] <BHSPitCSP> I think Human Touch might be more clever in this case
[22:49] <kwwii> no matter what you name it, you should mention that it came from ubuntu somehow, somewhere
[22:50] <kwwii> yeah, sounds good
[22:50] <BHSPitCSP> well
[22:50] <kwwii> as long as you continue the same licence everything is fine
[22:50] <BHSPitCSP> it'll say Human Touch, and the description will say Theme based upon artwork from Ubuntu (www.ubuntu.com).
[22:50] <BHSPitCSP> something along that line
[22:51] <kwwii> sounds perfect
[22:53] <kwwii> I think that you have no reasons to worry, but if you want me to check and ask mark I can, I am sure he would love the idea
[22:54] <BHSPitCSP> That sounds like overkill :)
[22:54] <BHSPitCSP> If there ends up being a problem, I'll update the package
[22:55] <BHSPitCSP> Now, if you want to ask him about paying my tuition, that'd be okay
[22:55] <kwwii> yes, probably so, and I do not see any problem with your idea but if it would make you feel better I would
[22:55] <kwwii> hehe
[22:55] <kwwii> that is a different matter
[22:55] <BHSPitCSP> I'm fine
[22:56] <kwwii> cool, if anything comes up, no matter what, I'll back you up
[22:56] <BHSPitCSP> I like doing things the "right" way, and this was my first occasion with licensing riffraff
[22:56] <kwwii> yeah, I know the fears of licencing
[22:57] <BHSPitCSP> so I wanted to be sure I was thorough :)
[22:57] <kwwii> you have definitely been thorough
[22:57] <BHSPitCSP> it's not like this is going on the market or something
[22:57] <kwwii> if there is a problem it lies on what I said, not what you did
[22:58] <BHSPitCSP> well, the thing is, a "problem" wouldn't likely be lawyers or militants at my doorstep
[22:58] <kwwii> nope, in any case, if there was a problem they would ask me why I told you it was ok
[22:58] <kwwii> :p
[22:58] <BHSPitCSP> it would be an e-mail, I'd do what it said, end of story
[22:59] <kwwii> and I would explain the situation and it would all work itself out
[22:59] <BHSPitCSP> and we'd all have pizza and cake
[22:59] <kwwii> no worries, trust me
[22:59] <BHSPitCSP> I'm not worried
[22:59] <kwwii> exactly
[22:59]  * BHSPitCSP invents Caked Pizza
[23:00] <kwwii> lol, like the deep-fried snickers
[23:00] <BHSPitCSP> take a 14" round slab of cake, cover the top in rich, tomatoey icing, and top with meats and cheeses
[23:00] <BHSPitCSP> mmmmmmmm
[23:01] <kwwii> hehe
[23:28]  * _MMA_ does his best Steve Perry impression and rawks out to ♫ Separate Ways ♪.
[23:35]  * BHSPitCSP rocks out to Chocolate Rain
[23:40] <kwwii> hehe
[23:43] <_MMA_> *sigh* kids have no taste.