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| StevenK | ToddBrandt: Okay, I see your update about moblin-applets, which is great -- what can we do in the short term? | 01:11 |
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| bspencer | you guys notice that flashplugin-nonfree is missing from gutsy? | 02:19 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:48 |
| mawhalen | HappyCamp: you around? | 07:04 |
| StevenK | asac: Ping, when you're around | 08:42 |
| StevenK | Mithrandir: h-i-m has progressed! | 08:48 |
| guardian | morning | 08:48 |
| guardian | h-i-m being hildon input method ? so you're trying to integrate it ? | 08:51 |
| StevenK | I'm trying to test it at this point. | 08:51 |
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| asac | StevenK: yep | 09:19 |
| StevenK | asac: Right, I'm back after dinner. | 10:44 |
| StevenK | asac: Modest doesn't link against xulrunner 1.9 ; http://paste.ubuntu.com/2339/ | 10:44 |
| asac | tried to include the gtkmozembed_glue.cpp ? | 10:46 |
| asac | StevenK: ? | 10:46 |
| StevenK | asac: Nope, I'm not sure where to include it. | 10:47 |
| asac | somewhere :) | 10:50 |
| StevenK | asac: Suggestions of where to include it gratefully recieved. | 10:50 |
| asac | doesn't matter much | 10:50 |
| asac | in one file that is in your lib | 10:50 |
| StevenK | What's the ifdef? XPCOM_?? | 10:51 |
| asac | actually i wonder why modest speaks to talk to mozembed directly ...shouldn't this be put into tinymail? | 10:51 |
| asac | e.g. a feature to zoom + find text? | 10:51 |
| asac | #ifdef XPCOM_GLUE | 10:51 |
| StevenK | Not sure about that, and that sort of split is up to upstream. | 10:52 |
| asac | (i guess you have the cflags of libxul-embedding-1.9?) | 10:52 |
| StevenK | Yeah, I think I already hacked that in. | 10:52 |
| StevenK | Just trying a test build. | 10:52 |
| StevenK | asac: That blows up even worse! | 11:03 |
| StevenK | asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/2341/ | 11:03 |
| asac | StevenK: you trying to build with gcc or g++ ? | 11:10 |
| StevenK | gcc | 11:10 |
| StevenK | I can pass CC=g++ if you really want | 11:10 |
| StevenK | But I consider that a hack. :-) | 11:10 |
| asac | StevenK: look what you include now :) | 11:13 |
| StevenK | Heh | 11:14 |
| asac | StevenK: a trick is to use: | 11:14 |
| asac | nodist_libdevhelp_1_la_SOURCES = \ dummy.cpp | 11:14 |
| asac | thats what i did to libdevhelp to force c++ linkage | 11:14 |
| asac | oh its compile for you | 11:14 |
| StevenK | Right | 11:14 |
| asac | well ... you have to rename the file that includes the glue | 11:14 |
| asac | to .cpp | 11:14 |
| StevenK | Okay, trying that | 11:15 |
| agoliveira | StevenK: It's only a hack when it's clever :) | 11:33 |
| StevenK | Heh | 11:33 |
| asac | StevenK: have you ever found someone being able to compile the modest trunk= | 11:35 |
| asac | ? | 11:35 |
| StevenK | Nope :-) | 11:36 |
| asac | so are they on crack? | 11:36 |
| asac | i mean they should at least compile their code :) | 11:36 |
| asac | or is trunk a "coding-only" branch for them ;) | 11:37 |
| asac | ? | 11:37 |
| StevenK | I have no idea | 11:37 |
| StevenK | Right, it still blows up. | 11:37 |
| StevenK | I'm dragging myself off to bed, I'll poke tomorrow | 11:37 |
| asac | sure | 11:37 |
| asac | i still think that the clean solution would be to move the zoom capability to tinymail :) | 11:39 |
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| Mithrandir | StevenK: h-i-m> excellent; how? | 12:45 |
| codi | im trying to add my own application to the mobile-basic-flash plugin | 12:51 |
| codi | the flsh*.swf files do not seem to reflect new changes | 12:52 |
| codi | has anyone tried anything on similar lines | 12:52 |
| ian_brasil | codi: have a look at http://ianlawrence.info/random-stuff/location-services-on-ubuntu-mobile/ ..you need to update the xml file | 13:11 |
| codi | ian_brasil: thats the i followed | 13:12 |
| codi | but the directory structure has changed and so has conf.xml | 13:13 |
| dholbach | that stuff should be on planet ubuntu :) | 13:23 |
| ian_brasil | codi: try and download the swf again from moblin.org | 13:24 |
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| codi | ian_brasil: thats not achieve my goal | 13:26 |
| ian_brasil | codi: how has the directory structure changed?..in the moblin repos http://www.moblin.org/repos/ it is the same structure as in the example | 13:30 |
| cod1 | ian_brasil : i missed the snip snip in the example | 13:31 |
| cod1 | ian_brasil: so my new icon shows up now :) | 13:32 |
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| smagoun | lool: ping | 15:01 |
| lool | smagoun: pong | 15:01 |
| smagoun | lool: cheese 0.2.4 in the gutsy ppa doesn't install - looks like it's really the hardy build of cheese | 15:02 |
| lool | smagoun: (You might want to batch your request with the next ping; command pipelining!) | 15:02 |
| smagoun | :) | 15:02 |
| lool | smagoun: That's strange, it doesn't look like it; what's the exact error you get? | 15:03 |
| smagoun | http://moblin.pastebin.org/9836 | 15:04 |
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| lool | smagoun: Ah | 15:23 |
| lool | smagoun: Might be because of gusty-proposed and gutsy-updates | 15:23 |
| lool | smagoun: Try adding gusty-updates to your source.list | 15:23 |
| lool | smagoun: Yeah, probably the updates | 15:25 |
| lool | smagoun: You're welcome to file a bug against MIC to also pull from -updates and -security | 15:26 |
| smagoun | lool: thanks. I'll try that + file a bug | 15:29 |
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| davidm | #startmeeting | 17:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 17:00. The chair is davidm. | 17:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:00 |
| davidm | Good morning everyone. | 17:00 |
| davidm | Is everyone one present? | 17:00 |
| Mithrandir | good morning, davidm | 17:00 |
| agoliveira | davidm: Hi David. | 17:00 |
| davidm | Might as well get started | 17:01 |
| davidm | [topic] bfiller to for looking into a better solution for a banner to be | 17:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: bfiller to for looking into a better solution for a banner to be | 17:01 |
| Mithrandir | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Meeting/20071129 is today's topic. | 17:02 |
| robr2 | davidm: hi | 17:02 |
| bfiller | I have a fix but haven't committed it yet because of other issues I'm having with hildon-desktop | 17:02 |
| bfiller | I flied a bug in hildon-desktop about the problems | 17:02 |
| bfiller | hoping that lool or bspencer could help investigate | 17:03 |
| davidm | bfiller, what is the bug #? | 17:03 |
| * lool didn't see the bug yet, but didn't try with the flash UI either | 17:03 | |
| bfiller | davidm: hold on, let me check | 17:03 |
| lool | bug #172426 ? | 17:04 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 172426 in hildon-desktop "home screen having issues with scrolling and focus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172426 | 17:04 |
| bfiller | davidm: bug number 172426 | 17:04 |
| davidm | bfiller, thanks | 17:04 |
| davidm | lool, can you take a look at this? | 17:04 |
| bfiller | note, could be a moblin issue and not a problem with hildon-desktop, just not sure yet | 17:05 |
| lool | davidm: If I can reproduce it, I guess I could try to investigate | 17:05 |
| davidm | thanks | 17:05 |
| bfiller | moblin meaning mobile-basic-flash or other associated packages | 17:05 |
| bfiller | is bspencer going to be joining us? | 17:05 |
| davidm | [action] lool to take a look at bug # 172426 and see if he can reproduce it. | 17:05 |
| bfiller | he might be able to assist here as well | 17:05 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: lool to take a look at bug # 172426 and see if he can reproduce it. | 17:05 |
| davidm | bfiller, should I carry the topic again? | 17:06 |
| bfiller | davidm: sure | 17:06 |
| lool | I appended it slightly for the end of the topic to be readable | 17:06 |
| davidm | [action] carry over bfiller to for looking into a better solution for a banner to be | 17:06 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: carry over bfiller to for looking into a better solution for a banner to be | 17:06 |
| lool | Oh well :) | 17:07 |
| davidm | is bspenser here? | 17:07 |
| agoliveira | Hmmm... Like Yoda sounds like this, yes... | 17:07 |
| davidm | I don't see him and the next topic is his. | 17:07 |
| lool | Pinged around on #moblin | 17:08 |
| davidm | OK skipping the next topic then | 17:08 |
| davidm | the next series of topics relate to USB Client | 17:08 |
| davidm | [topic] bspencer & Don_Johnson to clarify the process and deliverables. | 17:09 |
| MootBot | New Topic: bspencer & Don_Johnson to clarify the process and deliverables. | 17:09 |
| davidm | Don_Johnson, since you are here any comments? | 17:09 |
| Don_Johnson | I had a good discussion with the USB Client developer last night. | 17:09 |
| ToddBrandt | here | 17:09 |
| Don_Johnson | I have not had a chance to write up anything for the mailing list yet. | 17:09 |
| lool | smagoun: I appended to your action item; I hope my addition is correct (the one on psb / exa) | 17:09 |
| smagoun | lool: thx, looks good | 17:10 |
| smagoun | Don_Johnson: when do you expect to have a writeup? | 17:10 |
| Don_Johnson | With respect to the question about whether users select folders to export, this feature is coded into the USB Client utility, that runs on the client. | 17:10 |
| Don_Johnson | To disable it would require modifying the USB Client Utilty code. | 17:11 |
| lool | Don_Johnson: So the users are expected to be able to browse /any/ place on the MID device? | 17:11 |
| agoliveira | bspencer: Hi Bob. | 17:11 |
| bspencer | agoliveira, hello. | 17:11 |
| bspencer | lool, no. We will restrict them | 17:11 |
| Don_Johnson | It seems like that is the way the USB Client utility is written. | 17:11 |
| bspencer | it is up to us to decide that, right? | 17:11 |
| smagoun | lool: what our group would do would be to hardcode certain dirs so the user wouldn't have to configure anything | 17:12 |
| lool | bspencer: backlog is in http://people.dooz.org/~lool/um-20071129.txt | 17:12 |
| bspencer | I assume the USB connection to PC is only for personal content. So we can just expose those pieces | 17:12 |
| Don_Johnson | From my discussion with Henry, the USB Client utilty lets the user decide what to export. I don't know what is visible to the USB Client utility. | 17:12 |
| lool | Don_Johnson: Did you get clarifications about mass storage mode versus rndis mode? When does one use the first or the second? | 17:13 |
| davidm | I'm confused, one of the key questions was exporting an ext3 Linux file system to mount on Windows. Has that been solved? | 17:13 |
| Don_Johnson | two questions one answer, coming up. | 17:14 |
| davidm | Does the USB Client code bypass the issue? | 17:14 |
| lool | davidm: Isn't the "USB Client" code the RNDIS client stuff? | 17:14 |
| Don_Johnson | The devie starts up in mass store mode and exports VFAT partition, which is used for autoinstall on the Host (i.e. Windows host side utility) | 17:14 |
| davidm | OK, where does this vfat partition come from? | 17:15 |
| Don_Johnson | Once the host side utility is installed the client and host utilities negotiate and it switches to RNDS mode. | 17:15 |
| lool | Don_Johnson: So typically a fixed content on the MID device, not visible to the end MID user | 17:15 |
| davidm | lool, I am not sure so I'm asking questions ;-) | 17:15 |
| Don_Johnson | The VFAT partition is on the MID, an appears to be specific for autoinstall. However if the client side utility is disabled it stays in mass store mode | 17:16 |
| Mithrandir | so it's never really an USB mass storage device, and is only really useful in rndis mode? | 17:16 |
| lool | Don_Johnson: Is the user allowed to add stuff to this vfat? Either from MID or from PC? | 17:16 |
| smagoun | Don_Johnson: do you know if HappyCamp or Praj is working on change to Image Creator to incorporate that VFAT partition? | 17:16 |
| Don_Johnson | Mithrandir: yes | 17:17 |
| bspencer | smagoun, we have discussed this possibility but don't like it | 17:17 |
| Don_Johnson | I'm not aware of what is going on with Image Creator. | 17:17 |
| bspencer | (VFAT partition) | 17:17 |
| bspencer | we are trying to work with the USB client guys to figure out how to not have vFAT, but that would be the fallback | 17:17 |
| lool | I guess we could have the vfat partition generated by a separate package; doesn't need to be in MIC | 17:18 |
| smagoun | bspencer: then I'm confused. How does the VFAT partition get on the device? | 17:18 |
| Don_Johnson | I'd like to get this written up with some use cases and put it on the mail lsit. | 17:18 |
| bspencer | the disadvantages of vfat are obvious: split disk size, no permissions/security, etc. | 17:18 |
| davidm | [action] Don_Johnson to get this written up (USB info) with some use cases and put it on the mail list. | 17:18 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Don_Johnson to get this written up (USB info) with some use cases and put it on the mail list. | 17:18 |
| bspencer | smagoun, if we can not develop a solution that doesn't require VFAT, then yes, Image Creator will create VFAT partition for media | 17:18 |
| bspencer | s/media/user data such as media | 17:19 |
| davidm | bspencer, that will effect install sizes then? | 17:19 |
| bspencer | certainly | 17:19 |
| smagoun | bspencer: I thought the VFAT partition was required to store the host utility, even if the rest of hte filesystem + data is on ext3 | 17:19 |
| sodarock_laptop | smagoun: they have asked me to think about adding the vfat to MIC. I haven't done it yet. Still working on Yum support. | 17:20 |
| Don_Johnson | smagoun, from my discussion with Henry, yes, the VFAT partition is required to support autoinstall | 17:20 |
| lool | If could as well be a vfat file on the MID, no? | 17:20 |
| Don_Johnson | I believe for autoinstall from MID the vfat filesystem would have to be on the MID. What am I missing in your question? | 17:21 |
| lool | Don_Johnson: Is the user supposed to be able to add files to this VFAT when the MID is still in mass storage mode? | 17:21 |
| davidm | Can we look at this next week after Don_Johnson has had time to write it up and put it on the mailing list? | 17:21 |
| sodarock_laptop | Don_Johnson: are you 100% sure that you can do auto install with VFAT? I know things like the U3 system have a fake CD-ROM drive to do auto install. | 17:21 |
| lool | IOW: is it read write, or just like an installation CD | 17:21 |
| smagoun | lool: yes, if it's exported as a drive via USB client :) | 17:21 |
| lool | smagoun: But then it's not necessarily the VFAT anymore | 17:22 |
| agoliveira | davidm: +1 at least for me it's a bit confusing right now | 17:22 |
| Don_Johnson | I'll try to address these additinal questions in the write up. I don't have answers right now. | 17:22 |
| davidm | Don_Johnson, bspencer, are you both OK taking this to the email lists and then talking about it next week? | 17:23 |
| smagoun | lool: the file can be a self-contained VFAT filesystem that's loopback mounted + exported over USB. Not good for general use, but possibly good enough for use as a way to get the host utility onto the host system | 17:23 |
| Don_Johnson | I am OK taking it to the email list, and updating next week. | 17:23 |
| sodarock_laptop | smagoun: I'm not sure that a loopback file will work, rustyl knows more. | 17:24 |
| lool | smagoun: That's exactly what I was thinking of, I think that's fairly easy -- unless we allow read write to that | 17:24 |
| lool | smagoun: If the vfat ends up containing user data, then we need to be able to mount it from the MID too | 17:24 |
| smagoun | Don_Johnson: This USB client thing has been up in the air since at least UDS. Let's get it nailed down next week. | 17:24 |
| davidm | [action] carry over to next week: bspencer & Don_Johnson to clarify the process and deliverables | 17:24 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: carry over to next week: bspencer & Don_Johnson to clarify the process and deliverables | 17:24 |
| sodarock_laptop | He was saying something that the "gadget driver" is pointed to a /dev/ entry. | 17:24 |
| lool | smagoun: And then you ask yourself the question: how do I prevent it from being mounted from Windows and the MID at the same time :) | 17:24 |
| sodarock_laptop | Now maybe a file would work but I'm not sure. | 17:24 |
| smagoun | lool: no data on VFAT, just the host utility. | 17:25 |
| lool | smagoun: Which is why I kept asking about whether the user is supposed to be able to add/remove files on the device when in mass storage mode / vfat | 17:25 |
| lool | smagoun: That's what I wanted clarified by Don_Johnson | 17:25 |
| smagoun | lool: I vote no | 17:25 |
| lool | smagoun: Oh I vote no, if I get to vote :) | 17:25 |
| davidm | unless there are objections I am going to jump back to the skipped action | 17:25 |
| bspencer | lool: +1. Just put "Syncing" on the screen | 17:25 |
| davidm | [topic] continue to hold open: bspencer & horaceli to verify the ubuntu branch works | 17:26 |
| MootBot | New Topic: continue to hold open: bspencer & horaceli to verify the ubuntu branch works | 17:26 |
| lool | bspencer: +1 to what? To allow mounting it from a single place or to disallow ever writing to the vfat? | 17:26 |
| bspencer | lool: whether the user is supposed to be able to add/remove files on the device when in mass storage mode / vfat | 17:26 |
| bspencer | disallow writing | 17:26 |
| bspencer | davidm, Horace and I have not tried the flash app launching | 17:27 |
| davidm | bspencer, carry over again? | 17:27 |
| bspencer | only the HTML app launching | 17:27 |
| bspencer | davidm, yes | 17:27 |
| davidm | [action] continue to hold open: bspencer & horaceli to verify the ubuntu branch works | 17:27 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: continue to hold open: bspencer & horaceli to verify the ubuntu branch works | 17:27 |
| davidm | [topic] carry over smagoun Since my group needs it, I'll take an action item to test overriding exa for a gutsy psb backport | 17:27 |
| MootBot | New Topic: carry over smagoun Since my group needs it, I'll take an action item to test overriding exa for a gutsy psb backport | 17:27 |
| smagoun | I haven't done more work on the PSB/EXA issue, please carry over the task (again) | 17:27 |
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| bfiller | bspencer: if you could take a look at this bug I filed, it might be helpful: Launchpad bug 172426 in hildon-desktop "home screen having issues with scrolling and focus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172426 | 17:28 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 172426 in hildon-desktop "home screen having issues with scrolling and focus" [Undecided,New] | 17:28 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 172426 in hildon-desktop "home screen having issues with scrolling and focus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172426 | 17:28 |
| bfiller | oops | 17:28 |
| bspencer | bfiller, ok | 17:28 |
| davidm | [action] carry over smagoun Since my group needs it, I'll take an action item to test overriding exa for a gutsy psb backport | 17:28 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: carry over smagoun Since my group needs it, I'll take an action item to test overriding exa for a gutsy psb backport | 17:28 |
| bspencer | bfiller, thanks for logging these | 17:28 |
| bfiller | bspencer: sure | 17:28 |
| davidm | [topic] kyleN to test h-i-m and get back to StevenK on status Mobile Application spec: | 17:29 |
| MootBot | New Topic: kyleN to test h-i-m and get back to StevenK on status Mobile Application spec: | 17:29 |
| kyleN | steveK added the h-i-m stuff. the gnome documentation for h-i-m is minimal and in a short period of trying I couldn't get anything to work. I'll try again later, so please carry over. | 17:29 |
| davidm | [action] kyleN to test h-i-m and get back to StevenK on status Mobile Application spec: (issue documentation is light) | 17:29 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: kyleN to test h-i-m and get back to StevenK on status Mobile Application spec: (issue documentation is light) | 17:29 |
| davidm | [tpoic] bspencer to email his suggested levels to this list shortly | 17:30 |
| davidm | [topic] bspencer to email his suggested levels to this list shortly | 17:30 |
| MootBot | New Topic: bspencer to email his suggested levels to this list shortly | 17:30 |
| bspencer | forgot... mailing now | 17:30 |
| davidm | bspencer, OK so no additional action at this point? | 17:30 |
| bspencer | no | 17:31 |
| davidm | [topic] tonyespy to test if wifi keys & passphrases are remembered after reboot or r | 17:31 |
| MootBot | New Topic: tonyespy to test if wifi keys & passphrases are remembered after reboot or r | 17:31 |
| tonyespy | they're not right now | 17:31 |
| tonyespy | due to gnome-keyring-manager not being started | 17:32 |
| tonyespy | i've figured out how to start it... | 17:32 |
| lool | Does anyone know how Nokia does it on N800? | 17:32 |
| lool | Are they using something else? Or how are they starting gkd? | 17:32 |
| tonyespy | they're connection-mgr is proprietary | 17:32 |
| agoliveira | lool: IIRC, proprietary stuff | 17:32 |
| lool | tonyespy: So it doesn't put the passwds in a global keyring? | 17:32 |
| lool | Ok | 17:33 |
| tonyespy | no...it's user-specific | 17:33 |
| Mithrandir | tonyespy: have you tried to run it manually in the session and see if they're then saved? | 17:33 |
| tonyespy | Mithrandir: yes... it works, but the user is prompted to enter a pw for the keyring | 17:33 |
| Mithrandir | tonyespy: ok, so it's still not great, but it's better. The keyring passphrase problem is being fixed upstream | 17:34 |
| tonyespy | i'm trying to see if i can hard-code the pw for now, so the user never sees the keyring pw prompt | 17:34 |
| tonyespy | Mithrandir: it doesn't look like it's been fixed upstream yet | 17:34 |
| Mithrandir | tonyespy: it will be for hardy. | 17:34 |
| tonyespy | Mithrandir: only if NM upstream implements it | 17:35 |
| bfiller | Mithrandir: can you summarize what the fix is? | 17:35 |
| tonyespy | there is no fix yet | 17:35 |
| bfiller | "proposed" fix? | 17:35 |
| tonyespy | NM 0.7 has a ToDo item to add global settings | 17:35 |
| tonyespy | there's no detail on how it's supposed to work | 17:35 |
| tonyespy | so i don't know if it involves the keyring mgr or not | 17:36 |
| Mithrandir | tonyespy: uh, no? It's getting gnome-keyring to support blank passwords. | 17:36 |
| Mithrandir | see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=386866 | 17:36 |
| ubotu | Gnome bug 386866 in general "gnome-keyring should support blank passwords" [Normal,Assigned] | 17:36 |
| Mithrandir | no need for global settings there? | 17:36 |
| lool | tonyespy: I think the problem is that the initial keyring needs to be created with a password; if you can precreate it without a password, it should work | 17:36 |
| lool | (IIUC) | 17:36 |
| tonyespy | lool: i'm not sure a MID user wants/needs the complexity of a keyring | 17:37 |
| tonyespy | i'd like to get rid of it for MID; global settings in NM is one way | 17:38 |
| agoliveira | tonyespy: I'm convinced that doesn't | 17:38 |
| davidm | tonyespy, we have to have it too may applications expect it and would require rewrites to remove it. | 17:38 |
| davidm | Better to remove need for password | 17:39 |
| tonyespy | davidm: have you ever tried to change an AP key? | 17:39 |
| Mithrandir | tonyespy: fixing gnome-keyring-manager to support blank passwords is a lot easier than implementing global settings in NM. I'm not saying we won't see global settings, but fixing it in gnome-keyring-manager is enough for us. | 17:39 |
| davidm | AP?? Access point? | 17:39 |
| tonyespy | yea | 17:39 |
| tonyespy | right now, nm-applet saves AP keys in the keyring as hex values. blech | 17:40 |
| Mithrandir | as in, reauthenticate if the WPA key has changed? I've done it, it just worked, iirc. | 17:40 |
| Mithrandir | I had to type in the new passphrase, of course. | 17:40 |
| tonyespy | Mithrandir: how did you get the passphrase dialog to re-appear? | 17:40 |
| Mithrandir | tonyespy: I selected the network and it just gave me the initial dialog, iirc. | 17:41 |
| Mithrandir | just like what happens if you write the wrong password. | 17:41 |
| davidm | 20 minute warning .... | 17:41 |
| bspencer | davidm [topic] bspencer to email his suggested levels to this list shortly. [Done] | 17:41 |
| davidm | thanks bspencer | 17:42 |
| Mithrandir | anyway, move on? | 17:42 |
| tonyespy | ok, for now, i'm working on making blank pw work for keyring short-term | 17:42 |
| tonyespy | long-term, i'm working on the mobile-networking blueprint.... | 17:42 |
| tonyespy | let's move-on | 17:42 |
| Mithrandir | please make sure to talk to upstream so anything you do can just be merged with their stuff. | 17:42 |
| davidm | [topic] smagoun - X fails to start on Crown Beach with recent images, will investigate | 17:42 |
| MootBot | New Topic: smagoun - X fails to start on Crown Beach with recent images, will investigate | 17:42 |
| smagoun | The problem is that the PSB + DRM drivers in l-u-m need to be updated to the latest version in the psb-kmd project at moblin.org. This needs to be coordinated with an xf86-video-psb update (the two should be updated at the same time). | 17:42 |
| tonyespy | Mithrandir: will do | 17:43 |
| smagoun | Since we're pulling from moblin's repo - which has the latest xf86-video-psb - we had to update our l-u-m | 17:43 |
| smagoun | I think amitk + bryce(?) need to coordinate to make sure that both the l-u-m and xf86-video-psb updates happen at the same time for hardy | 17:44 |
| davidm | amitk, thoughts? | 17:45 |
| amitk | smagoun: first hardy kernel is being uploaded today. But it won't have these changes. We should have them for Alpha 2, though | 17:45 |
| amitk | smagoun: will updating the drivers to PPA suffice for now? | 17:46 |
| smagoun | We're not switching to hardy just yet; the problem will only affect people using hardy on menlow. | 17:46 |
| smagoun | amitk: that would be fine, though the corresponding xf86-video-psb should go into the PPA to avoid problems for people not pulling from moblin | 17:47 |
| davidm | amitk, can you take an action to make that happen? | 17:48 |
| amitk | bryce should be able to take care of the xf86 driver | 17:48 |
| amitk | davidm: sure | 17:48 |
| lool | I hope that doesn't imply a xorg backport | 17:48 |
| lool | Or Bryce will kill us all | 17:48 |
| smagoun | It shouldn't - just that module | 17:49 |
| davidm | [action] amitk to update hardy ppa with drivers | 17:49 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: amitk to update hardy ppa with drivers | 17:49 |
| amitk | lool: good point :) | 17:49 |
| davidm | OK next topic? | 17:49 |
| smagoun | If it does imply an xorg backport, don't bother - we (MID team) have a workaround already | 17:49 |
| davidm | 10 minute warning | 17:50 |
| davidm | smagoun, amitk OK to move on? | 17:50 |
| smagoun | ok | 17:51 |
| davidm | [topic] davidm to have amit contact smagoun when back from vacation. | 17:51 |
| MootBot | New Topic: davidm to have amit contact smagoun when back from vacation. | 17:51 |
| smagoun | davidm: he just did :) | 17:51 |
| amitk | ok | 17:51 |
| davidm | Good ;-) | 17:51 |
| smagoun | we're all set for this one | 17:51 |
| davidm | Good good | 17:51 |
| davidm | on to new business only one I see at the moment | 17:52 |
| davidm | [topic] Confirmation of place for Mobile sprint - agoliveira | 17:52 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Confirmation of place for Mobile sprint - agoliveira | 17:52 |
| lool | bspencer: "Buildable in target environment with autogen, configure, make"? You mean buildable in the standard dev environment, no external dep? You might want to avoid this wording for e.g. python apps | 17:52 |
| agoliveira | Yep. Looks like that we might have a change of venue and I would like to know if there's any confirmation either way. | 17:52 |
| davidm | The sprint is in Hillsboro OR in the US at the End of January Jan 28 - Feb 1 should arrive Jan 27th | 17:53 |
| bspencer | lool, good point. | 17:53 |
| bspencer | lool, I'd like to clarify for C and pythong though, rather than be too vague | 17:53 |
| davidm | I have confirmed that we will be there and those on my team should go ahead and get tickets anytime | 17:53 |
| agoliveira | davidm: Fine. Just to want to be sure before plan for it. | 17:53 |
| agoliveira | davidm: That's all for me. | 17:53 |
| davidm | K | 17:54 |
| davidm | I have no other new business | 17:54 |
| Burgundavia | anybody around? | 17:54 |
| lool | bspencer: Well about apps in shell, perl, etc.? | 17:54 |
| bspencer | lool, for those I can put what you said. | 17:54 |
| davidm | lool, bspencer is this a new topic? | 17:54 |
| Sciri | Burgundavia: Lots of people around; IRC meeting. | 17:55 |
| bspencer | davidm, no . just chatting about apps criteria | 17:55 |
| davidm | OK just making sure | 17:55 |
| lool | davidm: Sorry commenting on the levels bspencer sent | 17:55 |
| * lool keeps it for post meeting | 17:55 | |
| davidm | OK if there is no other new business I'll close the meeting | 17:55 |
| bspencer | lool, buildable in the standard dev environment, no external dev. For C: autogen, configure, make. For Python: .... | 17:55 |
| davidm | Going once ........ | 17:55 |
| bspencer | lool, I guess I want to suggest autogen is used. | 17:56 |
| lool | bspencer: Just FYI, some python apps are building via autogen + configure + make :) | 17:56 |
| lool | bspencer: Why not simply require Debian policy compliant packaging or something? | 17:56 |
| davidm | Going twice .......... | 17:56 |
| lool | bspencer: And only allowed build-deps from dev set | 17:56 |
| kyleN | someday I'll write an SDK to clarify all this ... ;) | 17:56 |
| agoliveira | $120! | 17:56 |
| davidm | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 17:57. | 17:57 |
| davidm | agoliveira, $120?? | 17:57 |
| Sciri | Sold! Do agoliveira for $120! | 17:57 |
| lool | Sciri: I thought the same :) | 17:57 |
| agoliveira | davidm: I got into the going once, twice stuff :) | 17:57 |
| Sciri | s/Do/To/ | 17:57 |
| lool | I'm tempted to fortune this, but it's a bit too contextual :) | 17:58 |
| agoliveira | Sciri: Thats for the last bit. I was starting to get offended :) | 17:58 |
| * ian_brasil wonders what he agoliveira bought | 17:58 | |
| Sciri | agoliveira: Yeah...that was a bit of a bad typo ;) | 17:58 |
| agoliveira | ian_brasil: Hopefully my ticket out of packaging! | 17:58 |
| bspencer | lool, good suggestion. can you write up a suggestion in reply? | 17:59 |
| bspencer | lool, with details of commands to run or a link | 17:59 |
| lool | bspencer: Oh on second thought it looks fine like this -- grin :> | 18:00 |
| bspencer | lool, :) | 18:00 |
| lool | Ok | 18:00 |
| lool | bspencer: Would have been easier to fix it in a wiki or to reply to the text of an email BTW | 18:00 |
| agoliveira | bspencer: That's the cartoon I keep telling you about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God,_the_Devil_and_Bob | 18:01 |
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| raji | asac, You there? | 18:08 |
| === mawhalen_ is now known as mawhalen | ||
| asac | raji: high latency, but yes | 18:53 |
| smagoun | has anyone tried video recording in cheese? (agoliveira?) | 19:21 |
| smagoun | On my Q1 with external camera it segfaults (taking pictures works fine) | 19:21 |
| agoliveira | smagoun: I didn't try on my Q1 but works fine on my notebook | 19:23 |
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| Jayc_ | amitk: Rob asked me to test the ubuntu kernel on C0. How/where do I get the ubuntu kernel ? | 21:28 |
| Jayc_ | amitk: I just sent an email to you. could you please take a look? | 21:29 |
| ian_brasil | i am getting a dependency problem on 'ubuntu-mobile: Depends: cheese but it is not going to be installed' when installing samsung full mobile stack using deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mobile/ubuntu gutsy main | 21:58 |
| ian_brasil | > (0.37~710um1 ATM) | 21:58 |
| ian_brasil | using MIC 0.37~710um1 rather | 22:01 |
| smagoun | ian_brasil: cheese in the PPA requires adding the gutsy-updates and gutsy-security repositories (MIC doesn't enable them by default) | 22:02 |
| ian_brasil | ah ok | 22:03 |
| Jayc_ | Where can I get the ubuntu kernel (PPA) that I can install on a crownbeach C0 system? | 22:10 |
| Jayc_ | any one, please? | 22:14 |
| StevenK | Jayc_: You just need the .deb, or you need to build an image with it? | 22:15 |
| Jayc_ | StevenK: I just want to check if Ubuntu kernel from PPA works on CrownBeach C0 system, so can I hust use the deb? | 22:16 |
| Jayc_ | StevenK: I tried this http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mobile/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.22/linux-image-2.6.22-14-lpia_2.6.22-14.48_lpia.deb | 22:16 |
| Jayc_ | StevenK: I installed the above deb on CB with moblin menlow image and during boot it stops with initramfs prompt. | 22:19 |
| StevenK | Yeah, probably because /boot is a seperate filesystem with images created with image-creator | 22:20 |
| Jayc_ | StevenK: Should I build an image with Ubuntu kernel, if so how do I do that? | 22:20 |
| StevenK | Jayc_: If you dump the PPA deb line when you build the image, it should just fall out | 22:20 |
| Jayc_ | How do I do that? I'm familiar with creating images through image-creator. sorry I'm a newbie to linux, I still haven't caught up with the linux lingo :-) | 22:26 |
| StevenK | Jayc_: It requires you add that PPA line to your image-creator config. | 22:28 |
| Jayc_ | OK, And then I create the ubuntu-mobile image with ubuntu-kernal fset? | 22:28 |
| StevenK | I'd suggest you use the normal FSET | 22:29 |
| Jayc_ | you mean, moblin-corwnbeach-full-mobile... FSET and nothing else? | 22:31 |
| StevenK | Yeah, that will give you the kernel and everything else | 22:31 |
| Jayc_ | OK, thanks for you help. I will try it out | 22:33 |
| StevenK | Cool. | 22:33 |
| Jayc_ | /you/your :-) | 22:34 |
| HappyCamp | StevenK, do you know how to ask to get rsync access enabled for ppa.launchpad.net? | 22:52 |
| HappyCamp | We would like to mirror it internally here at Intel. | 22:52 |
| StevenK | Um. | 22:53 |
| StevenK | "No" is the short answer, sorry. | 22:53 |
| StevenK | HappyCamp: If you can talk http, debmirror ought to be able to mirror it | 22:53 |
| HappyCamp | Okay, thanks | 22:54 |
| Jayc_ | HappyCamp: Do I need to change anything in the target sources.list? I did remove all the .list files in the sources.list.d and added the ppa.list as you suggested | 23:49 |
| HappyCamp | Jayc_, that should be it, and then do an apt-get update | 23:50 |
| Jayc_ | HappyCamp: I did apt-get update. And while I'm adding the crownbeach-full FSET, I see an error | 23:51 |
| Jayc_ | W: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. | 23:51 |
| StevenK | There should be a reason for that above that line. | 23:52 |
| Jayc_ | Could not connect to linux-ftp.jf.intel.com:80 (10.23.61.25), connection timed out | 23:52 |
| Jayc_ | I also see the error "Couldn't find package libbluetooth2" | 23:53 |
| StevenK | I daresay that is a result of being unable to connect to linux-ftp.jf.intel.com | 23:54 |
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