[00:16] * PriceChild discovers ted.com [00:53] neverblue called the ops in #ubuntu () [00:54] ugh I need to get to work on the weechat script... [00:56] jrib: which does? [00:57] well for one I had an irssi script to automatically ban-forward those people to -read-topic, but I can't even op, ban, deop [00:58] jrib, if you were in #ubuntu-ops-monitor you'd know you won't need that :) === rob1 is now known as rob [01:05] In #ubuntu, xzased said: ubotu: actually, it is not a digital camera, its a picture frame, but I thought the procedure would be similar. [01:11] Hi I would like to be tested for the DCCExploit [01:11] krim, you may rejoin #ubuntu. [01:12] Great, thanks [01:34] Hello, may I be tested please? [01:36] jughead, you may rejoin #ubuntu [01:36] thanks PriceChild [01:39] Barbecue just dcc send spammed me [01:39] odd [01:39] did that just starT? [01:40] he's been klined [01:40] somerville32, we've done all we can, we need someone with kline powah now [01:40] excellent [01:41] * somerville32 tries to get over the trauma [01:43] somerville32, if that was traumatic, i think the internet is the wrong place for you :Þ [01:43] * somerville32 suffers from severe PTSD :P [01:43] can we k-line everyone in #ubuntu who comments on people who've been k-lined? [01:44] can we kline everyone who's seen someone klined? [01:44] that would be fun [01:44] i think we should kline forums mods who write stickies about villanous folk [01:45] lol [01:45] I think we should kline staffers that keep finding bugs in torrent apps :) [01:46] somerville32: I got several tries to DCC-send me mirc.ini too ;) [01:46] I'm like doing CDBS kung-fu and then these windows start flying out of no where :( [01:47] you can probably disable that [01:48] is PFA supposed to be banned from -offtopic by any chance? [01:49] Not to my knowledge... but that might be before my time [01:50] well i know tor is kind of suspicious [01:50] well, not tor, ircatwork [01:51] nalioth: ping [01:53] mneptok: pong [01:54] nalioth: my co-worker is concerned about #ubuntu-co. he's a co-admin, and the founder is *way* AWOL. [01:54] nalioth: any chance you can bump up his access level? [01:54] (MagicFab)\ [01:55] nalioth, magicfab is trustworthy [01:55] * nalioth points out to mneptok that #ubuntu-irc is the place for this business [01:56] he sits 3 feet behind me. if he misbehaves, i can punish him in meatspace. [01:56] aha [01:56] and yes, that the mnep definition of "punish" >:) [01:56] he's active now if you want to /msg [01:57] "meatspace", nice [01:59] my connection is doing weird things, so someone keep an eye on bef in -offtopic while my connection bounces a few times [01:59] Pici: roger roger [01:59] mneptok: "meatspace" [01:59] mneptok: "Proprietary Kernel Extension" [02:01] jdong: it feels like real flesh! [02:03] mneptok: it really grows on you :) [02:51] * somerville32 cuddles with mc44 [02:51] * jdong slowly backs out of the room... [02:51] how random [02:52] * jdong points out he's not getting any love... [02:52] * somerville32 looks to ajmitch for jdong. [02:54] you chased away elkbuntu [02:54] by jdong [02:54] *bye [02:56] * LjL cuddles with ubotu [02:56] * Seeker` doesn't [02:57] !sorry | Seeker` [02:57] Seeker`: It's ok, I can't stay mad at you. [02:57] :P [02:57] * Seeker` does go to bed though [02:57] I have to be in a lecture in 6 hours [02:58] night [02:59] night [02:59] oh and jdong, don't act like the one who "backs out of the room"... we have the other day's logs :P [03:00] * ajmitch at least always behaves :P [03:14] uh oh they're on to me ;-) [04:33] Greetings ops. I was flagged for having a vulnurabilty causing me to be disconnected. I've taken the steps to try to prevent this from happening. [04:34] I am already on port 8001 and I have the latest firmware revision. [04:34] I believe that I may have been flagged in error? Would someone be willing to assist me in rejoining? [04:36] !ops | Is anyone available to provide assitance? [04:36] Is anyone available to provide assitance?: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici or Pelo! [04:36] pjeide called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (Is anyone available to provide assitance?) [04:37] heh [04:38] pjeide: You're not on port 8001 [04:38] hmm Konversation is configured that way [04:42] Amaranth: I apologize, you were correct. I had manually /connected without specifying the port, although the client was configured properly. [04:42] ok, seems alright [04:42] I am not connected appropiately, and hope not to be vulnurable? [04:43] where you you banned from? [04:43] s/not/now [04:43] #ubuntu [04:43] free to enter [04:43] Amaranth: thank you for your assistance [04:43] what is the root of the vulnurability? [04:44] what function does it utilize that updated firmware for the router or a different port would utilize? [04:44] and how would they get my IP in the first place? it is a DCC string vulnurability? [04:45] the last you said [04:45] It's a fault in how some routers handle DCC stuff coming thru the standard IRC port, I think [04:46] why would my client accept a dcc connection to the point of it being a flaw in the router? [04:46] dcc connection starts as a ctcp string which is just a privmsg surrounded by special characters [04:47] they have no access to my router without an actual connection [04:47] pjeide: your faulty router thinks a specially crafted DCC string sent over normal IRC port 6667 is an "exploit" and disconnects your TCP connection to freenode [04:47] jdong, so it becomes an exploit :) [04:48] pjeide: many routers have this fault and as a result a kiddie typing this sequence in a busy channel leads to pages of people leaving so it "looks entertaining" [04:48] jdong: i see [04:48] jdong: I wasn't aware the router was filtering traffic on that level [04:48] It may also be a bug in the router's code? [04:48] I mean, an overflow or something [04:48] pjeide: to be honest, it really shouldn't be.... but what control do we have over what our router mfr's want to do to our traffic :) [04:49] Amaranth: yeah, that's certainly a possibility. I'm more leaning towards an overzealous IDS type rule [04:49] yeah me too [04:49] I recall Norton's spectacle with the startk***ger thing [04:49] if it was an overflow bug why would it not be effective on port 8001? [04:49] pjeide: your router doesn't look for this "exploit" on port != 6667 :) [04:49] pjeide: it's not smart enough to detect IRC traffic -- it just thinks port 6667 = IRC [04:50] the fact that it is vulnurable on 6667 implicates that the offending traffing comes directly through a privmsg or channel message [04:50] jdong: right [04:50] pjeide: it's normal text. AFAIK you can wget an HTML page from a webserver on port 6667 with this special plaintext string and your router will abort the connection [04:50] though I'm not 100% certain on that [04:51] (Norton hilariously would ban the "offending IP" i.e. IRC server for 24 hours) [04:51] jdong: There was a technique similar to that which I fiddled around with back in the mid 90s [04:51] Involving MS winsock [04:52] pjeide: I'm not surprised at all -- history riddles us with all kinds of packet-of-death type exploits :) [04:52] * tonyyarusso deeceecees a small dancing GIF of the Grim Reaper to jdong [04:52] I thought switching to 8001 made freenode lock you with +C [04:52] (block CTCP) [04:52] jdong: I invented this technique just playing with my modem so I could pick up the line and listen in through the computer speakers hooked to a stereo and record the conversation :) [04:53] pjeide: apparently there are still dialup modems vulnerable to the +++ATZ "hack" :D [04:53] s/still/people still using/ [04:53] jdong: +++ATH0 [04:54] pjeide: ATZ works just as well (reset rather than hangup line 0) [04:54] at least it was [04:54] ah [04:54] pjeide: actually +++ would work alone -- it would escape the modem to command mode and then the connection will of course time out after 120s [04:55] hmm [04:55] jdong: I was about 13 when I figured it out over a decade ago.. :) I stopped at ATH0 lol [04:55] pjeide: since then modern modems have carrier guards for that so this technique is largely useless [04:55] jdong, how do you send AT commands to remote modems? [04:55] definitely if you have a 56K modem you're fine [04:56] no0tic: +++ in the data stream escapes to data mode [04:56] no0tic: err, command mode rather [04:56] jdong, ah ok, raw datas :) [04:56] no0tic: and depending on where the buffer is cleaved the ATH0 part might get shoved in, too :) [04:56] either way your connection is toast without a carrier guard [04:57] jdong: At the time I was also able to convert the string to hex and send with an icmp packet [04:57] fine [04:57] bruenig called the ops in #ubuntu (Enslaved) [04:57] pjeide: I've heard LAND packets work on XP SP2 and all later versions of Windows [04:57] including Vista [04:57] it's the bug that never dies :) [04:57] ha [04:57] got killed as far back as Windows 95 [04:58] but they keep on bringin it back [04:58] !rules is etiquette [04:58] But rules already means something else! [04:58] Vista is more secure because it has a rewritten TCP stack, huh? [04:58] B!S! [04:58] where could I make me a culture on these topics? [04:58] All right, who beat me to it? [04:58] no0tic: haha script kiddie land? ;-) [04:58] actually script kiddies have been my best source of information on these things [04:59] nothing beats firsthand [04:59] jdong, :) something like "know your enemies" :) [04:59] indeed :) [04:59] jdong: I love the perspective I've gained as a director in the IT industry coming from an experimental childhood during the big boom of the internet [05:00] pjeide, where are you from? [05:00] US [05:00] I had no doubt :) [05:01] no0tic: for why? [05:01] the land of the free and the home of the big mac :) [05:01] here in italy such thing is simply impossibile [05:02] no0tic: I'm curious, when you say such things, what are you referring to? [05:03] pjeide, become "director in the IT industry" when you said before "I was 13..a decade ago" [05:03] no0tic: I see. [05:03] I weasel. [05:03] And got lucky, I suppose.. right place at the right time with the right people kind of deal. [05:04] boy it feels good to download at 89mbit [05:04] pjeide, here no one get direction roles being as young as us two [05:04] jdong: that as well has me curious :) [05:04] pjeide, yes :) [05:04] pjeide: we own bandwidth on the east coast man ;-) [05:05] jdong: Where're you at? [05:05] pjeide: 18.0.0.0/8 :) [05:05] *stump* [05:05] surely the director of IT can look up a whois database ;-) [05:05] :) [05:06] hmm [05:06] jdong, wow, mit :) [05:07] no0tic: the one and only Hell on east coast :) [05:07] shoot, you got there first [05:07] I was simply trying to rephrase an earlier statement [05:07] when I say director in the IT industry [05:07] gosh [05:08] no0tic: the limits to my bandwidth are (1) the number of network cards I have (2) the number of cables I can find :) [05:08] jdong, lol [05:09] jdong, University of Pisa, where I study, owns a large part of italian bandwidth and controls italian backbone, I can imagine :) [05:10] Is "a director in the IT industry" an inappropriate way to describe yourself when you are IT Director for a an operation of 80 people in 2 states that manufacture business cards enmass but employ a total network of 60 workstations, 7 servers and over 400 databases? [05:10] no0tic: awesome, you probably also have practically unlimited bandwidth at your hands :) [05:10] pjeide: I believe that's well qualified [05:10] pjeide: as long as you're not the guy telling me how to set up a SMTP server starting with "Well you choose the Exchange icon from MMC's left pane...." [05:11] :D [05:11] (yes I've got that once) [05:11] ;-) [05:11] jdong: The majority of my work since I took the position about 4 months ago has been software development to interface with our databases [05:12] our proprietary software is inept and malnourished.. we've tons of data and few tools to access it efficiently and intuitively [05:12] jdong: plus a few tools to save the typesettings a few thousand keystrokes a day :) [05:12] sounds like fun :) [05:13] it beats a sharp stick in the eye, for certain. [05:13] jdong: What has you at MIT? [05:14] pjeide: an undergraduate degree in electrical eng and comp sci :) [05:15] pjeide: hopefully follow up with a PHD in the same should this institute accept :) [05:15] jdong: congratulations, good work [05:16] ha don't congratulate too early ;-) [05:16] EE/CS combined major or double? [05:16] it is a single major here (Course VI as we refer to it) [05:16] everything around here gets a number [05:16] how old are you? [05:16] 19 [05:17] it's a weird place of culture -- you never hear cdr and car used as verbs anywhere else :) [05:17] :) [05:17] jdong: Boston is a very fun city [05:17] my brother had a place up in Rockport and a little apartment in Slummerville [05:17] but weeks into my first term, I had someone ask me casually to "cdr down this list of pizza places to find one open at 4AM" [05:18] ptt3017 [05:18] jdong, so you could car there? [05:18] no0tic: with the pun intact, yeah :P [05:19] though I am sadly currently without car.... and dearly miss it too :) [05:22] damn you using acronyms that I am not familiar with in sentences casually :\ [05:22] i must inquire [05:22] cdr? car? [05:23] pjeide: LISP commands :) [05:24] mmm [05:24] pjeide: CAR returns the first item of a list, while CDR returns all but the first items of a list as another list [05:24] jdong: ty [05:24] pjeide: so a recursive combination of CDR and CAR is used to go down and retrieve items from a list :) [05:25] Is LISP MIT prereq? :P [05:25] pjeide: for half a decade, the majority of the programming theory classes were done in LISP [05:26] wow [05:26] pjeide: that is slowly changing though -- this year we officially started using Python for the introductory 6.01 class [05:26] I'm sure you get to see all types of creative implimentations on campus there [05:26] pjeide: the previous 6.001 (LISP/SCHEME) class's final project was to actually write a SCHEME interpretor [05:26] in SCHEME. [05:27] the new 6.01 class is cool because it's much more of a hybrid between EE and CS [05:27] we work with Python controlled robots :) [05:27] jdong: that is sweet [05:27] too sweet [05:27] Did you know python walking onto campus? [05:27] yeah, first term students get everything: learning python, OOP, resistor networks, op-amps, feedback controllers, stochiastic hidden-markov model decision making.... [05:28] pjeide: I did, mostly from Ubuntu related work [05:28] wow [05:28] incredible [05:29] of course it's *very* lightly touching on each topic... [05:29] but it is great at giving you a 8-week taste of EECS [05:29] ah :) [05:29] so you can decide if it's a good major for you or not [05:29] very interesting [05:29] amazing [05:30] no doubt ;-) [05:30] it's really a nice school, nice curriculum, interesting faculty === jussi__ is now known as jussi01 [09:05] pjeide: hi [09:09] Tm_T: hello [09:11] pjeide: something still we can help you with? [09:13] Tm_T: something still we can help you with? [09:15] nalioth: sure [09:16] can you hug me, it's bit chilly out here [09:17] * nalioth sets Tm_T on fire [09:17] thank you sir [09:18] * nalioth wraps an aluminized survival blanket around Tm_T [09:18] Tm_T: I was conversating earlier, should I not idle in the ops channel? [09:19] pjeide: we don't recommend it [09:19] * pjeide waves [09:22] nalioth: to be clear, do you not recommend it, or do you recommend against it? [09:22] I found stimulating conversation here and enjoy the stay. [09:23] Then again, stimulating conversation on a channel for operator/abuse questions only may be slight OT? [09:23] sorry to be a bother [09:23] pjeide: see the /topic please [09:23] erm [09:35] * Seeker` wonders if jdong could have gotten away with "(print (eval ( read)))" for a SCHEME interpreter written in SCHEME [11:47] !paste [11:47] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [12:39] hi, just a quick message to let you know that overnight, somebody called "barbecue" has been offering files called "mirc.ini", not sure what it is, but, just thought i'd let you know, it may not have been somebody in #ubuntu, but i'm only in that channel and #ubuntu-uk, i'm assuming its something unwanted and deleting anyway [12:42] DGJ: IIRC dealt with === Pumpernickle is now known as Pumpernickel [12:43] DGJ: Yes, it was dealt with when it happened last night [12:43] Tm_T, ok, thanks, just found that looking through the logs, thanks anyway [12:43] :) [15:21] can someone remind me how to make chanserv not veto my mode settings? ie. in my own channel (#dib5sn) I just set to -c and chanserve turned it back on again? [15:24] jussi01: hav you asked in #freenode? [15:24] Pici: nope.. not yet... ;) [15:50] jussi01, chanserv set channel mlock [15:51] PriceChild: thanks. I got the info from #freenode :D [15:53] Just had an interview for "computer repair guy" and I'm so glad I use linux after some of the questions given... [15:53] hahahah...nice [15:53] I can imagine... [16:11] PriceChild, examples? [16:12] He was just giving such vague questions... [16:12] What would you do if a computer just endlessely rebooted? [16:12] and your answer? [16:13] I didn't know where on earth to begin... it depends completely on at what point in the process it reboots [16:13] too true ;) [16:13] good answer [16:14] Never gonna get the job though. [16:14] at least I got to the interview stage though woo! [16:15] uu CC meeting [16:15] yeah [16:16] * Hobbsee has given scottk her ammunition for it. [16:16] Hmm a couple of people asked me for cheerleading... *looks through list* [16:16] no, i'm anti-cheerleading. [16:16] That was an odd mass-join [16:16] Hobbsee, sarcastically? [16:16] Pici, where? [16:17] PriceChild: #ubuntu, about 5 people from 148.202.9.249 came in at once [16:17] spoke some spanish, I !es-ed them and they left. [16:17] floodbots announced it though [16:17] There's a lot more than 5 [16:18] PriceChild: absolutley not [16:18] Pici, pick up your shield and emp cannon [16:19] PriceChild: hm. I guess I misread my log [16:19] *wonders if any of them are still left inside* [16:19] Just one, retsam [16:59] * ikonia hugs pici [17:03] ikonia: erm...? [17:03] he's a saviour in #ubuntu today [17:03] ah, ok [17:03] ikonia: how are you today? [17:04] tired [17:04] about to leave for home [17:04] Well, theres a rash of crazy people today [17:04] ikonia: cool. I've got another hour of lectures, and then I need to try to get home. The bus queues aren't nice. [17:05] no, wave if you see me drive past and I'll give you a lift [17:05] more crazy people? [17:05] meh [17:05] I may just walk down widcombe hill [17:06] Seeker`, I'm int he bar already - left site office and too late to go to the main office [17:06] heh, pub may be a good idea :) [17:41] * RainCT would like a cloak :D [17:41] lol [17:42] RainCT, hey there :) [17:42] hi :) [17:42] We'd appreciate it if you could wait until you're accepted into ubuntu-members on launchpad.. which they probably haven't done yet? [17:43] ok, np. how much does this take usually? [17:45] poke one of the CC members [17:52] 793 proposed members [17:52] madness [17:53] lol [17:54] in the mean tmie [17:54] RainCT, make sure you have two registered nicknames, linked together with an email set. [17:54] !register [17:54] By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration [17:56] PriceChild: yeh, I've RainCT, RainC1 and UbuCat (#ubuntu-cat's IRC bot) [17:56] why should it be two? [17:56] DON'T link the bot. [17:56] Bots should *never* be seen wearing the ubuntu/member cloak. [17:57] approved bots get an ubuntu/bot cloak [17:57] two so that if you forget the password on the first, you can identify with the second, /nick, and set the password to recover. [17:57] the email so that if you forget both passwords, you can get a staffer to reset it. [17:58] but we'd rather not bother a staffer [17:58] ah ok [17:59] because secretly they have a list... which they put you on if you have to bother them with password resets.... and you don't want to know what happens if you get put ont he list twice! :O [17:59] 0_o [18:00] lol [18:00] no0tic, did you get it too? :) [18:00] yes :) [18:00] haha [18:01] wooo congrats no0tic. [18:01] thanks :) LjL spent a word for me :) [18:02] gratz no0tic :) [18:02] you too [18:04] PriceChild, all requirements are met for the cloak, now ;) [18:04] no0tic, not quite... has launchpad caught up? [18:04] PriceChild, ah, yes I'm one of the 793 pending members :) [18:04] Sorry but you'll have to be patient until that's sorted :) [18:04] PriceChild, I'll wait :) [18:04] np [18:08] how can I unlink the bot (if possible without having to login as him)? [18:08] /ns unlink nick password [18:27] * RainCT forgot to say that the bot is now unlinked [18:28] cool [19:13] PriceChild: :D [19:15] * Seeker` wonders if he should apply for membership [19:35] * RainCT pings whoever ;P [19:36] RainCT: Were you accepted into the launchpad group? [19:36] yeh :) [19:37] Seeker`, which group? [19:37] ompaul: huh? [19:37] ~ubuntumembers [19:38] Seeker`, you could be asking for ubuntu-irc [19:38] nah, thats just me ompaul [19:38] ompaul: I mean "Ubuntu" membership - I'm already a member of -irc [19:42] Pici: yes [19:43] RainCT: I can't approve you anyway, just asking [19:44] Pici: ah lol [19:46] cool, we can talk about pricey now [19:47] he's teh suck, apparently [19:47] doh! [19:47] shh, he is back now [19:47] 14:46:51 cool, we can talk about pricey now [19:47] cheers Pici [19:47] * Gary throws a pie at Pici for grassing him in [19:48] Pici is now off my xmas card list... [19:48] :) [19:48] :(( [19:48] no0tic, you want a member cloak too? [19:48] Daviey, was he ever on it? [19:48] I want a superman cloak [19:49] /cs k gary - fly like the wind - [19:49] :P [19:49] x [19:49] yay, we can talk about old uncle ompaul now [19:49] Gary: that wasn't very nice! [19:49] :-) [19:50] !- Gary [n=clark_kent@superhero/superman] has joined #ubuntu-ops [19:50] hehe [19:50] crdlb, he loves me really [19:50] xD [19:51] * Gary watches Pici [20:11] howdy [20:11] * Daviey watches Gary watch Pici [20:12] * Seeker` watches Daviey watching... [20:22] * RainCT is still waiting :) [20:24] RainCT, for cloak? [20:24] PriceChild: yep [20:25] RainCT, sorry, gotta wait on freenode to sort out our new group contact form, until then we've got a bottleneck with nalioth who's afk. [20:25] you can have a colchester-lug/member cloak if you like :p [20:25] Gary: lol [20:26] * jussi01 takes a picture of Seeker` watching Daviey watching Gary watching Pici [20:27] PriceChild: oh, well.. [20:28] * RainCT hasn't understood much of what Price said but it sounds bad heh [20:29] RainCT: There is a lot of red tape around at the moment. nal ioth could fix it (i think), but he is AFK [20:30] «I'm away, messages are logged, screen is detached. How do you detach a screen? Visit http://www.gnu.org/software/screen to find out.» lol [20:32] RainCT, basically, the "IRC Council" (4 of us) isn't yet recognised by freenode... until that happens I can't get random staffers to do my evil ubuntu bidding, has to go through nal [20:32] PriceChild: They just dont want to give you any power :P [20:33]