=== vorian_ is now known as vorian === Shely is now known as iLeft [04:14] http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/final <-- anyone feel like playing it a few times...tell me if you have any problems with it [04:21] nixternal: works great in konqueror, not in firefox :p [04:21] stdin: ya, doesn't work in the 2 worst browsers in the world [04:21] firefox and ie [04:21] works in konqi, opera, and safari [04:21] what a shame :p [04:22] I don't feel like debugging that crap...I hate web browsers [04:22] lol [04:22] sniper [04:22] ya, those are words the professor said we had to have [04:25] * Jucato waves [04:26] Hobbsee: contentless ping :) [04:27] You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around. [04:27] :) [04:27] hahah I just love that response :) [04:27] Hobbsee: fancy putting https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings in the channel topic? :) [04:27] topic's not locked [04:28] heeh ok :) === Jucato changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | 7.10 out, you all rock! | Merge away: http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | Meeting Saturday 11UTC, agenda in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [04:28] woot! I changed the topic! I changed the topic! :D [04:29] :D === vorian is now known as vorian_afk [04:29] 11+8 = 19... 19-12 = 7... right? [04:30] lol I'm doubting my own math :) [04:30] ...yes [04:30] 7pm for me :) [04:30] * Jucato hopes family's not having dinner by then... [04:31] 6 am for me [04:31] no, 7am i think [04:32] ill be there to this time [04:33] :) [04:34] claydoh: good! I can take use as prosecution's witness for some of the stuff I put on the agenda :P [04:34] hi all [04:35] yo DaSkreeeeeeeeeech [04:35] can I plead the 5th? [04:35] nope :) [04:35] umm or are we under international law :) [04:35] yep [04:38] nixternal: yay you Lose? [04:38] I am havin a knee operation in JAn, and will be off my feet for at leat 2 weeks, maybe 3 [04:38] ya, you killed balmer, releasing the penguin! :p [04:39] so i plan to learn enough packaging to whip one up of kmymoney2 cvs [04:39] With megatron no less [04:40] * Jucato sighs... planet wars... [04:41] I hope Unicron wins [04:42] Unicorns win!!! [04:49] :-P [04:49] I meant Cybertron [04:49] We all know that Golden ponies win [04:52] * Jucato wonders if Cybertron transforms/transformed into a giant robot too... a sort of arch-rivalry between Unicron and Cybertron :) [04:52] Didn't Unicron become cybertron? [04:53] unicron? lost his head and went the way of the big bang [04:53] Ah [04:53] at least in one of the movies... not sure if they made a remake somewhere [05:06] Jucato: did you play HangBallmer yet? :p [05:06] it works in everything but IE7...go figure [05:06] lol [05:06] not yet [05:06] flash game? [05:06] javascript [05:06] oh :) [05:06] http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/final [05:07] goes to try [05:09] crashes firefox nicely :) [05:09] nooo! I let him live! [05:10] stdin: how is it crashing firefox? [05:11] nixternal: after hanging ballmer, it just hangs and FF eats all my CPU [05:11] Works in FF for me [05:11] lol! this is the only game where you win if you lose :) [05:11] ok, that is an issue with the popups it seems [05:12] 5001 nixterna 15 0 144m 63m 20m S 7.6 4.2 0:09.09 firefox-bin [05:12] it doesn't bomb firefox, but it doesn't do anything until you click close [05:13] 1371 stdin 25 0 194m 74m 22m R 89.4 7.4 1:28.32 firefox-bin [05:15] WFM. [05:19] legally blonde the musical... now that's not something you hear/see everyday... [05:19] evenin [05:19] hey nixternal, how's web browsing in konqueror in kde4 been working for you? [05:20] like crap [05:20] :) [05:20] * Jucato keeps on using konqueror3 [05:20] oh :( i was hoping the konqueror problems were fixed, then i'd get it set up as my main desktop [05:20] not that I have a choice, since konvi and kdepim are run from my kde3 user :) [05:21] yuriy: you can,just keep on using konqueror3 :) [05:34] Jucato: I hope I don't hear it every day!! [05:52] nixternal: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/26/1341239 [05:52] First comment [06:36] G'night [08:43] good morning everybody [08:43] s/morning/afternoon/ [08:44] good morning to you too :) [08:48] afternoon, ... are there other times than cet ... ;) === \sh_away is now known as \sh [10:12] * Jucato yawns, runs around the room, and goes out the door. === iLeft is now known as iWebPy [10:23] sebas: wtf is cet? [10:23] * aplg|moblie_ only knows utc [11:04] aplg|moblie_: european time, UTC+1 [11:10] aye ^_^ [11:11] * Hobbsee wonders why multiple parts of the kdepim merge got bunged up. [11:34] Riddell: hi ;) [11:34] salut Tonio_ [11:34] Riddell: I'm just packaging disk manager [11:34] Tonio_: what's that? [11:34] Riddell: we really should consider using this [11:34] Riddell: kde qtparted [11:34] Riddell: part of the alice project [11:35] Riddell: good points is that it is maintained andkde native app [11:35] Riddell: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Disk+Manager?content=70149 [11:36] alice project? [11:38] looks promising [11:38] mhb might be interested in it, he was looking at paritioning apps [11:39] Riddell: it is :) [11:41] can someone please take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=kpar2 ? ;) [11:58] (preferably not me since then I can't New it) [12:11] nixternal: haha nice game ;-) [12:22] Tonio_: ehm, I already do :P [12:22] or rather [12:22] did :P [12:23] upstream needs to add a copying.lib though === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [12:32] Tonio_: about kpar2 ... Homepage is now an own tag .. current standards is 3.7.2.2 [12:33] Riddell: btw, how long does the processing of a motu application usually take? [12:34] oh yes, i should read that mail [12:37] * Hobbsee +1's, with comments about licencing. [12:39] apachelogger: waiting on crimsun, ajmitch, and soren to respond (or a subset of them, i think) [12:39] however, i suspect they were waiting on people like me to repsond [12:39] hehe, k :) [12:42] Hobbsee: KDE 4 packages have had licencing problems? [12:43] KDE packages in general have due to not including all the licence texts and other bits, but apachelogger is about the best at spotting that === _czessi is now known as Czessi [12:46] apachelogger: no copying.lib for kpar2, as there is no lgpl stuff in it [12:46] apachelogger: will fix the version [12:47] apachelogger: what do you mean by "own tag" ? [12:47] apachelogger: have an example ? [12:47] Tonio_: Homepage: Blah right below Standards-version [12:48] aplg|mobile: hum, oki, I missed that new thing ;) [12:48] apachelogger: fixing [12:48] k [12:48] Hobbsee: about the licensing -> diskman's copyright file: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/147001 [12:49] * aplg|mobile actually thinks he improved on that stuff lately ;-) [12:49] afk, lunch [12:49] aplg|mobile: [12:49] # [12:49] License: [12:49] probably needs to be filled in, too [12:50] Riddell: can you drop uploads waiting in NEW ? [12:50] Riddell: looks like I dputed to ubuntu instead of revu..... [12:50] Tonio_: what did you want dropped? [12:50] Hobbsee: kpar2 [12:51] Hobbsee: should be revued before upload ;) [12:51] hehe, indeed [12:51] Hobbsee: can you ? [12:51] yes [12:52] Hobbsee: that's nice ;) [12:52] Tonio_: rejected. [12:52] Tonio_: yeah, it's one of the few thigns i can do :) [12:52] ho yeah you're archive manager now :) [12:52] one of, yes [12:52] Hobbsee: you can do much more than me now ;) [12:52] I'll call you "boss" in the future :) [12:53] hah [12:53] * Jucato thought she was boss already... [12:53] hi Tonio_ :) [12:53] aplg|mobile: looks better [12:53] aplg|mobile: was thinking in terms of the khaki stuff [12:54] Tonio_: Disk Manager is just a partition editor? not something like mountconfig? [12:54] Jucato: qtparted like [12:54] Jucato: currently working on the package [12:54] ah [12:55] Jucato: but that's (good point) a real kde application [12:55] qtparted is unmaintained and not a kde application [12:55] yep :) [12:55] Tonio_: err, it disappeared [12:56] Tonio_: hopefully it will stay maintained :) [12:56] Riddell: what dissapeared ? kpar2 ? I suspect Hobbsee dropped it [12:56] Jucato: it is part if a very active and interesting project, called alice [12:57] Jucato: remember that x.org config tool that we discuss a few weeks ago ? [12:57] Jucato: part of the same project [12:57] * Hobbsee killed it. [12:57] you killed alice? O.o [12:57] Hobbsee: merci beaucoup chef ! [12:57] Hobbsee: chef is french for boss, fyi [12:58] darn! [12:58] you just made me delete a whole sentence :) [12:58] * Jucato was about to ask that :P [12:58] :) [12:58] Jucato: talking about that, we didn't do any french speaking day for a long time now :) [12:58] Jucato: Riddell is pretty good at speaking french ;) [12:58] hehe yeah :) [12:59] oooh really? :) [12:59] moi? [12:59] oui! [13:00] bien sur toi ! tu parles très bien français ! [13:00] daniel holbach is pretty good too [13:00] understands very well [13:01] Hobbsee: well, khalkhi was around the time you admins decided to drop packages without a lgpl copy in the sources I think :P [13:02] aplg|mobile: i wasnt an admin at that time [13:02] ah I know tres bien :) [13:02] * Jucato resists the urge to sound stupid and say "three good!" [13:02] :P [13:03] Hobbsee: well, I just want to say that I wasn't used to check for the complete copies [13:03] aplg|mobile: oh, i see what you mean. i'm just saying it's not my fault, per se :) === vorian_afk is now known as vorian [13:05] Hobbsee: hehe, if it is anyones fault, it's upstreams ;-) [13:06] yes, they'll do for being blamed [13:10] apachelogger is now a motu? I only saw one motu council vote [13:10] the process for this changes so frequently I lose track :) [13:10] congratulations apachelogger! [13:10] don't forget to do lots of merges [13:11] Riddell: thanks, gotta start with merging asap :) [13:12] here they come! [13:12] here who come? [13:12] -/ [13:13] Riddell: concerning disk manager, I don't really know what to do with the deps [13:13] you! :) [13:13] Riddell: lots of things are optional, but imho should be installed by default, as this is for example loosing people with qtparted [13:13] Riddell: for example depends on xfsprogs, instead of recommends.... [13:13] Riddell: what's your opinion about that ? [13:14] Riddell: imho the maximum things should be supported out of the box [13:14] hm [13:14] Tonio_: you read that I have an almost finished package? :P [13:16] btw, I think out of the box we should support the ubuntu defaults [13:16] maybe +ntfs [13:16] apachelogger: are you packaging this too ? [13:17] apachelogger: here is the list of optional packages: [13:17] hfsutils util-linux xfsprogs mount xfsdump e2fsprogs dosfstools reiserfsprogs jfsutils e2fsprogs ntfsprogs reiser4progs dosfstools udev [13:17] Tonio_: #173016 [13:17] apachelogger: hum okay [13:17] apachelogger: we also have to patch the sources to remove the top banner [13:17] apachelogger: useless and doesn't respect kde apps HIG [13:17] well, maybe we can ask upstream to do so [13:18] he needs to add a copying.lib anyway [13:18] apachelogger: they won't, as they do for all alice apps [13:18] apachelogger: I don't see any problem in removing this, that respects the gpl [13:18] sure, but every patch we have to maintain is one patch too much IMO [13:19] apachelogger: maybe follow what gparted does [13:19] apachelogger: so depends on everything but suggests xfsprogs, reiserfsprogs, reiser4progs, jfsutils, ntfsprogs [13:19] apachelogger: I'd say recommends for those [13:20] Depends: util-linux, mount, e2fsprogs, udev [13:20] yeah, that's kinda what I had in mind [13:20] Recommends: hfsutils, xfsprogs, xfsdump,dosfstools, reiserfsprogs, jfsutils, ntfsprogs, reiser4progs, dosfstools [13:20] * apachelogger hacks up a desktop file [13:21] apachelogger: I greped the all code about that, so the list of tools should be complete [13:21] ok, thanks [13:21] apachelogger: that the Darth Vader thing you talked about yesterday hehe :) [13:22] apachelogger: now I understand [13:22] apachelogger: ping me once packaging is done, I'll revu that one [13:22] apachelogger: I tested this and we really need that one in main replacing qtparted [13:22] agreed [13:22] Tonio_: I'll upload it to revu once upstream released a tarball with copying.lib [13:22] apachelogger: want me to write the no banner patch ? [13:23] apachelogger: oki [13:23] Tonio_: if you have time, sure :) [13:23] apachelogger: you can rebuild the tarball with copying.lib and mention in the changelog that upstream has been pingued about [13:23] apachelogger: also the locales thing is a bit strange.... [13:23] totally [13:23] apachelogger: have you tested this ? [13:24] nope [13:24] I'm unsure we get the translations [13:24] apachelogger: I'll have a look at that [13:24] k [13:25] apachelogger: that's un compatible with rosetta, maybe we should consider patching for standard gmo/po translations..... [13:25] again, maybe we can get upstream to do that? [13:27] Tonio_: make it depend on anything in main, recommend others [13:28] Riddell: ok [13:28] apachelogger: then depends on everything :) [13:28] Depends: util-linux, mount, e2fsprogs, udev, hfsutils, xfsprogs, xfsdump,dosfstools, reiserfsprogs, jfsutils, ntfsprogs, reiser4progs, dosfstools [13:28] well [13:29] apachelogger: I'll give you too patches today : no banner patch and maybe french translation [13:29] I see no reason why a normal user (as in non-geek) needs to have 100% support for jfs for example [13:30] apachelogger: would that make it complicated for them ? I don't think so [13:30] apachelogger: normal users don't need those tools btw [13:30] nah, but waste space [13:30] apachelogger: those tools are very little [13:30] apachelogger: and this is not meant to be part of the default install btw [13:30] fair enough [13:33] apachelogger: oki seya for the patches :) [13:40] apachelogger: my concern is really the translation process..... [13:41] apachelogger: they are mostly empty now, but it should be possible to generate a pot file and get it in rosetta [13:41] apachelogger: will you patch admin/cvs.sh for rosetta ? [13:41] apachelogger: partitioning tools are not on the whole for normal users [13:41] apachelogger: that will probably reach main, so we need the patch [13:42] Riddell: ++ [13:42] Riddell: will rosetta work if there is no .pot in the sources as long as it is patched ? [13:42] Riddell: I suspect the sources have to be patched to load a .gmo catalog right ? [13:43] Riddell: translations are .ts files based [13:43] Riddell: can hardly work with rosetta I suspect.... :) [13:43] rosetta doesn't talk .ts [13:44] does this app use kdelibs? [13:44] Tonio_: how to generate a pot with i18n()? -.- [13:45] bah .svn in admin directory [13:45] apachelogger: sh admin/cvs.sh extract-messages [13:45] Riddell: it does but not for i18n things [13:46] silly of it [13:47] no point us changing it to KDE's gettext, just poke upstream that it would be a good idea [13:48] agree on that [13:50] did i miss an email or did the alpha1 cd come out? [13:50] not as far as I know [13:52] Riddell: Alternative still not working it is crashing out because of a Kaffeine conflict. I'll try it with ovaltene and see if it calms down :) [13:53] davmor2: I just uploaded a new meta package for that [13:53] so I'll wait for that and make new CDs [13:53] okay cool [14:19] kwwii: did ruphy get those wallpapers? [14:19] Riddell: yeah, he said he would tell you where to download them [14:19] let me remind him [14:21] "Accepted: webkitkde" whee [14:21] Tonio_: package is done [14:21] nixternal: there you go (it's got plenty of problems, but it's a start) [14:22] Tonio_: are you going to mail upstream about the translation stuff? if so please also mention to remove admin/.svn and add COPYING.LIB [14:22] did that myself for now [14:22] Tonio_: "webkit is way better than khtml" is arguable, the difference is that webkit is bug compatible with safari [14:30] hi jpatrick, I got that monster LUKS patch in [14:31] Riddell: thanks, it has a slight problem with it not including it's new .desktop files, waiting for PPA for testing now [14:31] Riddell: have tried to play with ajax apps like roundcube ? [14:31] hopefully we'll have LUKS support by tonight :) [14:31] NOTHING works in konqueror on that poin t [14:32] I have seen bugs on yahoo, gmail, all new modern webservices [14:32] opera and safari works on those [14:32] Riddell: better doesn't mean better codebase [14:32] Riddell: I meant "works in the real world" [14:33] Tonio_: sure that's my point. but just saying "better" will make the khtml developers grumpy since in various ways khtml is better [14:35] Riddell: let's say "adapted to modern web brosing" then ;) [14:35] Riddell: I just needed to troll a bit, sorry for that :) === vorian is now known as vorian_afk [14:45] Riddell: by the way, can you get tork passed New? [14:55] Tonio_: typo in karp2 control repairation vs. reparation [14:55] apachelogger: congrats! [14:56] jpatrick: thanks :) [14:56] I guess we now can flood universe with KWare :D [14:57] Tonio_: also have a look at the desktop file http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/147250 ... at least as much that lintian shuts up ;-) [14:59] Tonio_: + adding the docbook/manpage copyright and license to copyright file might not be too bad === \sh is now known as \sh_away [15:06] Heya [15:08] sup? [15:09] Nada, you? [15:11] ah, modern urban colloquialisms [15:12] heh :) [15:36] Riddell: any news on the new images? [15:37] davmor2: still waiting on kubuntu-meta to enter the archive [15:38] okay ta. Can you give heno or me a shout when it is good to test please :) [15:40] sure [15:41] ta muchly [15:45] apachelogger: congrats! now you can leave jpatrick alone, which in turn leaves me alone :p [15:45] Riddell: rock on with webkit! :) [15:45] lol [15:45] webkit supporter? [15:46] * nixternal goes to see how much more dirty laundry is being aired on the planets today [15:46] nixternal: thanks though [15:46] DaSkreech: big time webkit supporter [15:46] ok :-) [15:46] all I want is inserted hotkeys back and i'm ok [15:46] meh [15:46] boo! [15:46] * Jucato runs [15:46] apachelogger: congratulations btw [15:47] awful if someone calls you while you're at revuing -.- [15:47] * apachelogger forgot where he was [15:47] Jucato: thanks :) [15:48] Mez: omg, I think I default to nazi revu mode :S [15:48] apachelogger, you became motu ? [15:49] I don't know if that's konqui or KHTMl but I want t back [15:49] Which ever combo gives me that I'll use :) [15:49] hi Mez [15:49] hey DaSkreech [15:49] Mez: yep [15:50] apachelogger, congrats, now I don't get bother either ;) [15:50] * Mez whistles [15:50] DaSkreech: what's inserted hotkeys? [15:50] and Nazi Revu is good ;) I taught you well you padwan [15:50] indeed [15:50] muhahahahaha [15:50] btw, I am your father [15:51] apachelogger: When you are browsing a website if you press ^ then it makes up hotkeys for the links and shows them on the page [15:51] apachelogger: Wow good thing you made Solo get the girl huh? [15:51] Mez: you made sweet love with Tm_T? [15:51] * apachelogger imagines awful things [15:51] apachelogger, ?? ? [15:51] * Mez is confused [15:51] Tm_T is my mom!!! [15:52] o_O [15:52] DaSkreech: oh, ah well, press CTRL [15:52] I thought Tm_T was male. ... [15:52] apachelogger: Yes I just said that [15:52] DaSkreech: that's a KHTML feature btw [15:52] yeah, accesskeys ftw [15:52] webkitty doesn't do taht [15:52] very useful when I'm feeling lazy [15:52] apachelogger: damnit! I wonder if it will be hacked into the fruity HTML [15:52] Mez: so Tm_T can't be my mom because he's mail? Oo [15:53] apachelogger, I got 2 hours sleep last night [15:53] haha! [15:53] sh e-mail ? [15:53] dont confuse me, my brain'll asplode [15:53] <-- 4 [15:53] :P [15:53] <-- also won £160 [15:53] <-- spent € 10.12 [15:54] <-- will work for food [15:54] Tm_T: once you have time, you might tell Dad that you're my mom [15:54] hello folks [15:55] howdy mhb [15:55] * apachelogger gives mhb a beer [15:55] how are you? [15:55] ahoy! [15:55] apachelogger: thanks, that is nice of you, but I dont drink alcohol, actually. [15:55] slowly waking up and working up the energy to get ready for a nice trek to the uni [15:55] apachelogger: ahoy to you too [15:55] -.- [15:56] really, how did the nerds2.0 became non-alcohol drinking [15:56] ola mhb [15:56] this is just not originial :P [15:57] mhb: maybe I can interest you in a cup of tea? [15:59] Is there a webkit channel? [15:59] #safari maybe :P [16:00] That just has lions and tigers and beers! [16:00] and I don't drink [16:00] :) [16:01] apachelogger: I am sorry, it was a design decision [16:02] apachelogger: I like to live my life to the full, without being artificially influenced too much [16:04] mhb: makes perfect sense... you have to know I also was a teetotaler some time ago [16:04] * apachelogger got into bad influence though :| [16:05] it's all \sh_away's fault :P [16:05] continuing my Harry Potter analogies, /me is not among muggles anymore [16:07] apachelogger: I am tolerant enough, dont worry [16:25] anyone have any ideas as to why when running apt-get upgrade or what not, it will freeze at certain steps? anyone experienced this before? [16:26] not I [16:26] I can't figure this one out...it has been happening for a while now [16:26] it leaves a 'dpkg ' in the processes as well [16:27] nixternal: not me [16:45] nixternal: considering you have to time: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=tastymenu [16:45] +how to upload anyway? [16:51]