[00:29] <troseph> _MMA_, did you see the new DIY gdm? Is that more what you were thinking?
[00:31] <troseph> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/DIYConcept/GDM
[00:31]  * _MMA_ looks.
[00:31] <troseph> :)
[00:33] <_MMA_> Looking very cool. I will say however that the concept has been delayed from being used in Hardy. I will email you what Im working on now. It more in line with your original but might need some tweaks. That is, if you still wanna do it. :)
[00:35] <troseph> _MMA_ yes sir. You've got my help. :) And on that note, let me know what you think of this one: http://ubgdm.notlong.com
[00:35] <_MMA_> troseph: And I prefer you not make them that public (on Deviantart) until we decide whats gonna be used. I dont wanna throw everything out there only to release 5 months later and its stale.
[00:35] <Toma-> heh
[00:35] <troseph> _MMA_ sounds good.
[00:37] <_MMA_> troseph: I like the layout but the background images will need some work. I'm trying to use more photography. Im waiting on some emails but Ill send you what Im currently working on so you can get a better idea. Ill do that tomorrow as Im doing the family thing atm.
[01:39] <Toma-> _MMA_➔ are you still around?
[01:39] <_MMA_> kinda.
[01:39] <_MMA_> Just for a second.
[01:39] <Toma-> still working on a punk thing right?
[01:40] <_MMA_> Yes, but it wont make Hardy.
[01:40] <Toma-> OK.
[01:40] <Toma-> im ripping Glossy P to shreds and making a pixmap based gtk theme
[01:40] <Toma-> just for the hell of it
[01:40] <_MMA_> ok.
[01:40]  * _MMA_ goes back to the family.
[01:40] <Toma-> :P
[01:45] <troy_s> kwwii: WTF are you doing with the trash applet in the upper panel?
[01:50] <_MMA_> Stealing my ideas.
[01:50] <_MMA_> :P
[01:52] <_MMA_> Though, I cant actually find a pic where he does it.
[01:52] <troy_s> _MMA_: It was shite.
[01:52] <troy_s> _MMA_: The point is that with AWN you don't need one. ;)
[01:53] <_MMA_> You can have it on your own shite-assed desktop. We ain't shipping it. But you are gonna do my new Usplash. :P
[01:55] <troy_s> _MMA_: I only do usplashes of the things I do the rest of.  Besides, to be absolutely honest, I would not know where to start brainstorming a usplash for it -- well at least until the wallpaper came along.
[01:55] <troy_s> _MMA_: I honestly don't think the photos are the way to go for DIY... you have such a rich opportunity to capitalize on the silhouetted shapes trend and mix it up with DIY -- the result should be pretty stellar.
[01:55] <_MMA_> I already have a mock-up you control-freak.
[01:56] <_MMA_> troy_s: I told you I dropped DIY for Hardy. Photo use isnt for DIY.
[01:56] <troy_s> _MMA_: Animatic?
[01:56] <troy_s> _MMA_: And I had no idea you dropped DIY
[01:57] <troy_s> _MMA_: When did that happen and why?  There is still quite a bit of time and (icons aside) I can see no reason why it wouldn't be doable.
[01:57] <_MMA_> huh? We talked about it. You even said it was good I saw that I will still stay with it.
[01:57] <_MMA_> s/saw/said
[01:57] <troy_s> _MMA_: Oh heck -- I thought you were more _IF_ you couldn't make it happen.
[01:57] <troy_s> _MMA_: I had no clue that you were making a decision.
[01:58] <_MMA_> Oh no. I _know_ I cant make it happen now. I simply dont have the time doing it pretty much by myself.
[01:59] <_MMA_> Hey, there's wedderbiscuit.
[01:59] <wedderburn> tis :), hows the art going in US?
[01:59] <_MMA_> Slowly.
[02:00] <_MMA_> DIY has been dropped due to my art team abandoning me.
[02:00] <_MMA_> But will continue to be developed for Hardy+1.
[02:00] <wedderburn> you got a new art team?
[02:00]  * _MMA_ looks around.
[02:01]  * _MMA_ then points at himself.
[02:01] <wedderburn> lol
[02:01] <wedderburn> oh daer
[02:01] <wedderburn> dear**
[02:02] <troy_s> _MMA_: Sooooooooooooooooooooo in the vacuum of style, where are you now and where is this 'mock'?
[02:02] <wedderburn> i didn't think the DIY look was going to go down well
[02:02] <_MMA_> troy_s: Ill send you the mockup and my theme.
[02:03] <_MMA_> wedderburn: It will go over fine.
[02:03] <Toma-> put it on the wiki?
[02:03] <_MMA_> *When* I get it done.
[02:04] <troy_s> wedderburn: Yeah I don't think I could disagree with you more on that point.  DIY is almost the perfect pairing for something as 'underground' and 'rebellious' as Ubuntu Studio and the audience that would potentially be able to maximize use from it.
[02:05] <_MMA_> wedderburn: Its just sad you bailed on me over it. I was sure from the moment you left that was why. Too bad you just didnt say.
[02:05] <darkmatter> troy_s: bah
[02:05] <wedderburn> i left because of lack of time, also didn't like the direction it was going in, replacing the intire icon set wasn't something i was up for doing
[02:05] <troy_s> darkmatter: ?
[02:06] <_MMA_> wedderburn: I believe the latter was the real reason.
[02:06] <darkmatter> troy_s: you and you're 'buzzwords'
[02:07] <troy_s> darkmatter: Yikes.  Never knew I used buzzwords.  Unfortunately my lexicon is a little rooted in my past.
[02:09] <troy_s> _MMA_: I chatted with the guy who did these folders (which in my opinion are damn terrific) http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=38254&file1=38254-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Some+more+SVG+Icons
[02:10] <darkmatter> troy_s: yeah "underground' and 'rebellious' is something I dont really id with ubuntustudio. its just another studio. just minus the need to install half the extras
[02:10] <troy_s> _MMA_: they are elegant (subtle curves here and there and the outright avoiding of that shitey outline trend) and quite beautifully crafted.
[02:11] <_MMA_> darkmatter: Then you wouldnt be our target audience. ;)
[02:11] <troy_s> darkmatter: The belief being that realistically -- an independent band type scenario is probably one of the audience groups that would _maximize_ the work presented in Ubuntu Studio.
[02:11] <_MMA_> troy_s: Those are _very_ nice.
[02:12] <troy_s> _MMA_: Goes to show you what a default folder can do for your desktop.
[02:12] <troy_s> _MMA_: Of course, if it were uh... usabilitized it would end up a square at 48x48 with a big hideous glowing orange outline on it or something equally perfect.
[02:12] <_MMA_> Sure. So my current plan was to help with Ubuntu's icons and branch from there.
[02:13] <wedderburn> so you take a niche and slice it into another niche by having a desktop that would appeal to only a small % of users
[02:13] <troy_s> wedderburn: Hardly.  You take a massive number of people who don't have a fecking clue what is available and present it to them in a visual styling that is contemporary and probably speaks to their independence.
[02:13] <_MMA_> wedderburn: I'm for taking chances. That what the DIY thing is for sure. In any case, people can change the theme.
[02:14] <troy_s> wedderburn: _THAT_ attitude is the _EXACT_ shitey one that the FOSS geniuses use to further propel us into the dark ages.
[02:14] <troy_s> wedderburn: When _I_ speak of audience, I speak of the audience that doesn't use FOSS / Ubuntu.  Those are the _only_ people who matter.
[02:15] <troy_s> wedderburn: If Ubuntu is strong enough as a distribution, the current users will use it and warp it to their rather liking.
[02:15] <troy_s> wedderburn: To be honest, I could give a rat's ass about the bulk of the current users of FOSS.
[02:15] <_MMA_> troy_s: I dont agree completely but I know what you mean.
[02:16] <troy_s> wedderburn: They are (by and large minus a relativley new influx) the same people who vote the OSX clones and Ninja Manga themes to the top of gnome-look and kde-look.  It makes me laugh when people cite the voting percentage of those sites as even remotely credible.
[02:16] <Toma-> i think the DIY theme would appeal greatly to people that are stuck in the normal ubuntu/vista/mac type of themes frame of mind. something outrageous like a DIY theme would generate huge amounts of publicity. good and possibly bad. :)
[02:17] <_MMA_> troy_s: New theme idea for hardy coming at you.
[02:17] <_MMA_> (email)
[02:17] <Toma-> _MMA_➔ Whens the wiki going up? :/
[02:18] <_MMA_> Toma-: Sure, and I'm willing to take that hit.
[02:18] <_MMA_> Its already there. Just moved.
[02:18] <Toma-> thanks!
[02:18] <_MMA_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/DIYConcept
[02:18] <Toma-> i mean the new theme concept
[02:19] <_MMA_> Oh that, I pretty much have most of that under control.
[02:19] <_MMA_> I want to use pics for wallpapers and the like.
[02:19] <troy_s> _MMA_: You get demerits -- you didn't put it in a folder... grr.
[02:20] <_MMA_> No. It extracts to one.
[02:20] <Toma-> _MMA_➔ yeh about that...
[02:20] <Toma-> Would you be willing to think about a cool photo of something and have a really good manipulation of it?
[02:21] <_MMA_> troy_s: This is one we're looking at.
[02:21] <Toma-> im thinking about those old russian photoshop jobs
[02:21] <Toma-> to take something and make it incredible abstract
[02:21] <_MMA_> Toma-: Sure. Ill look at whatever from you.
[02:21] <troy_s> _MMA_: No theme dir -- cant' install via appearances.
[02:21] <Toma-> IM not very good at it but i can get some ideas rolling :)
[02:21] <_MMA_> troy_s: bah. Suck it up.
[02:22] <troy_s> _MMA_: Trying... can't get the sucker to inst.
[02:22] <_MMA_> Extract it, then drop it in .themes.
[02:22] <_MMA_> (should extract to a folder)
[02:22] <troy_s> _MMA_: It needs a subdir...
[02:22] <troy_s> _MMA_: .themes/blahtheme
[02:22] <troy_s> _MMA_: which is what i am creating.
[02:22] <_MMA_> Yes.
[02:23] <_MMA_> Right-click and extracting will create a dir.
[02:23] <troy_s> _MMA_: hrm... dont' see much difference.
[02:23] <troy_s> _MMA_: although i don't have the windeco as i am running emerald.
[02:24] <_MMA_> That is one change. Turn off emerald.
[02:24] <_MMA_> The theme is alot flatter.
[02:25] <_MMA_> Highlight colors are changed. Mouse-over used to go darker. Now goes lighter. A usability issue or two fixed.
[02:25] <_MMA_> Side-by-side with the Feisty theme you would easily see it.
[02:26] <troy_s> _MMA_: Yeah ... Not familiar.  Not a huge fan of Murrine and the outline hell.  Glider is what I have been using of late.
[02:26] <_MMA_> Sure.
[02:29] <_MMA_> troy_s: This is another photo Im trying to get. http://flickr.com/photos/3rdfoundation/291470015
[02:32] <_MMA_> troy_s: And this is just a quick, simple mock-up of what I was thinking for Usplash. http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1029/ubuntustudiohardyusplasft5.png
[02:33] <troseph> that is nice
[02:33] <_MMA_> Which? I posted a couple of links.
[02:34] <Toma-> usplash looks interesting
[02:34]  * Toma- wishes you could get a theme to stay from usplash to desktop
[02:34] <troy_s> _MMA_: Surely you can do better than yet another shitey Ubuntu progress bar, no?
[02:34] <troy_s> ;)
[02:35] <_MMA_> With my limited help/experience, no.
[02:35] <_MMA_> It would be another story if its all I had to do.
[02:35] <troy_s> _MMA_: hrm...
[02:35] <Toma-> troy_s➔ can you get like a fade in effect from usplash?
[02:35] <troy_s> Toma-: Uh... you can do what you like really.  If you add in alpha blending and such yes.
[02:36] <Toma-> so usplash just piles images ontop of itself basically?
[02:36] <_MMA_> troy_s: So you gonna do it or no?
[02:38] <troy_s> _MMA_: As in eek out that progress bar?
[02:38] <troy_s> Toma-: No, you are only limited by what / how you want to do something.
[02:38] <troy_s> Toma-: Plus the obvious performance hit.
[02:38] <_MMA_> As in create a Usplash for us.
[02:39] <Toma-> i see
[02:42] <_MMA_> troy_s ?
[02:48] <troy_s> _MMA_: Sorry... with daughter.  What is the default wallpaper / theme ?
[02:49] <troy_s> _MMA_: I could certainly do something assuming I can grab onto what you are aiming for with this release.
[02:49] <_MMA_> Lemmie get what might be it.
[02:49] <_MMA_> Here's one we might ship, thought not default. http://flickr.com/photos/3rdfoundation/291470015
[02:51] <_MMA_> troy_s: This might be default.
[02:51] <_MMA_> http://flickr.com/photos/jaako/508926598/
[02:52] <_MMA_> So maybe I could show progression on a VU meter?
[02:52] <_MMA_> Thats a idea.
[02:52] <troy_s> _MMA_: Yes that was the initial thought.
[02:52] <troy_s> _MMA_: Need to think up something that seems interesting or clever and build from that.
[02:52] <_MMA_> Hmm... Ill work on that tomorrow as well.
[02:56]  * _MMA_ -> TV.
[03:20] <darkmatter> troy_s: https://www.nextgendesigncomp.com/Default.aspx
[03:21] <darkmatter> http://2006winners.nextgendesigncomp.com/Images/Entries/980/f677ad3a-fb69-4990-b9b4-1063677b3bd0/EntryKit_Compressed_Images/page_01.jpg
[05:45] <darkmatter> troy_s: design patterns hit yast http://en.opensuse.org/Image:Ycc_yoogle_start_it1.png
[05:45] <darkmatter> YOOGLE.. LAWL
[07:32] <kwwii> wow, yast still uses the logo I made like 5 years ago
[08:59] <darkmatter> kwwii: yes, but now its tangoed. so its 5 years old and meant for preschoolers ;)
[09:01] <kwwii> lol
[09:32] <darkmatter> kwwii: have you seen the Yoogle concept yet?
[09:34] <darkmatter> http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/2/21/Ycc_yoogle_start_it1.png
[09:40] <kwwii> darkmatter: yeah, I saw that
[09:40] <darkmatter> silliness
[09:42] <kwwii> I doubt that it would help anyone really get to anything faster
[09:44] <darkmatter> kwwii: indeed. I'm surprised the fella that did that mockup didn't suggest css support ;)
[09:45] <kwwii> :p
[09:46] <kwwii> do you know who made that?
[09:47] <darkmatter> nope
[09:47] <darkmatter> didn't check
[09:48] <kwwii> I probably hired the person who made that :p
[09:49] <darkmatter> LOL
[14:51] <kwwii> _MMA_: is a geek
[14:52] <_MMA_> Yep. 24" LCDs = Geeky. ;)
[15:38] <_MMA_> Quicky VU meter Usplash mockup. http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/6849/vusplashmockupup1.png
[15:38] <_MMA_> (needle would sweep from left to right.)
[15:39] <Toma-> not a fan of the 2 logos
[15:39] <Toma-> looks awesome otherwise
[15:54] <kwwii> _MMA_: wow, pretty good start
[15:55] <_MMA_> Yeah. Just working on elements.
[15:55] <_MMA_> Ill add some gradients and things to make it look a little more real.
[15:55] <kwwii> man, this damn presentation is going to kill me
[15:56] <_MMA_> :D
[15:56] <_MMA_> Can I have your LCD?
[15:56] <kwwii> sure, come around to my house and pick it up
[15:58]  * _MMA_ hops on a plane.
[16:57] <bersace> troy_s, kwwii : Hi !!! :)
[16:57] <bersace> You can't imagine what i'm hacking nowadays :D
[16:58] <bersace> http://bersace03.free.fr/pub/tmp/windfarm-pm121.patch
[16:59] <bersace> :)
[16:59] <kwwii> hrm? what is that?
[17:00] <kwwii> hi, btw
[17:01] <bersace> that's the preliminary Linux driver for iMac G5 iSight
[17:01] <bersace> !
[17:01] <kwwii> lol, killer
[17:02] <bersace> :D
[17:02] <bersace> well, i don't find it low-level enough
[17:02] <bersace> it's just a policy driver
[17:02] <bersace> not a real hard-ware driver
[17:03]  * bersace remember trying to reverse engineer a windows driver for a scanner …
[17:03] <bersace> i gave up
[17:04] <andreasn> bersace: was it for HP ScanJet 2400?
[17:05] <bersace> no
[17:05] <bersace> andreasn: a dump I.R.I.S. scanner which was in fact a PandP. Co. scanner
[17:05] <bersace> very low price and quality
[17:05] <bersace> finaly i send it to plustek driver developer
[17:06] <bersace> well
[17:06] <andreasn> I totally need to pay someone to fix a driver for my ScanJet scanner
[17:06] <bersace> i'll go out for skateboarding :)
[17:06] <bersace> see you soon
[18:18] <andreasn> hm, I need to learn how to do textures http://www.flickr.com/photos/jakubsteiner/2075422487/in/set-72157594445393899/
[18:19] <kwwii> wow, that looks pretty nice
[18:19] <kwwii> good to see that jakkub is learning from oxygen :p
[18:19] <kwwii> lol
[18:19] <kwwii> his ear is probably bleeding right now
[18:20] <andreasn> I assume it's totally on purpose
[18:20] <andreasn> just takes ages to draw stuff so detailed
[18:21] <andreasn> and we don't even have coverflow :)
[18:22] <kwwii> it does take much more time per icon
[18:23] <andreasn> well, if you charge your work per hour... :)
[18:24] <kwwii> lol, yeah
[22:22] <_MMA_> vUsplash update: http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/2411/vusplashmockupwi9.png
[22:28] <kwwii> look like it is getting better :-)
[22:29] <_MMA_> I *think* so. I just removed the "communication" text.
[22:29] <_MMA_> Still feels kinda sparse but they are like that. :-/
[22:30] <kwwii> seems like it needs a bit of reflection and shadow on the glass
[22:30] <kwwii> but it looks pretty cool
[22:52] <_MMA_> vUsplash update 2: http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8532/vusplashmockupaa4.png