[00:20] <no0tic> PriceChild, sorry, my screen was detached before
[00:26] <no0tic> could anybody give me the ubuntu/member cloak?
[00:30] <PriceChild> no0tic, yup sorry will take a little time, please be patient :)
[00:31] <no0tic> no problem :)
[00:47] <LjL> jdong: WHAT? china should be aliased to taiwan!
[00:47]  * LjL fixes that
[00:47] <no0tic> hi, LjL 
[00:47] <LjL> hello ubuntu/member/nonumbersincloaks
[00:48]  * nalioth aliases LjL to a rabid Texas bobcat
[00:48] <no0tic> LjL, no numbers? I'll have to change my awesome nick?
[00:48] <LjL> !ljl is <alias> rabid Texas bobcat
[00:48] <ubotu> Factoid 'rabid Texas bobcat' does not exist
[00:48] <LjL> no0tic: i'm not 100% sure there can be no numbers :)
[00:49] <LjL> but no you can have a different nick anyway... i think... at least if not primary
[00:49] <nalioth> no0tic is fine
[00:49] <LjL> ask the rabid Texas bobcat
[00:50] <no0tic> LjL, I've a secondary nick with no numbers anyway
[00:50] <LjL> no0tic, the rabid Texas bobcat says you're fine anyway
[00:51] <no0tic> LjL, I saw, I didn't get you were talking about nalioth 
[00:51] <LjL> [01:51:40] [Whois] nalioth is i=nalioth@rabid/texas/bobcat
[00:53] <nalioth> that's Mr. Rabid Texas Bobcat to you, Mister.
[01:31] <ubotu> ardchoille called the ops in #kubuntu ()
[02:22] <desertc> nalioth: Greetings.  Wanted to inquire about Ubuntu Freenode cloaks.  Also, I saw the link on your profile for ubuntu.com/donations and wondered if you had more information on it.
[02:23] <nalioth> donations is donations, i guess
[02:23] <nalioth> have you been before the community council, desertc ?
[02:24] <vorian> nalioth: he was member-ized today
[02:24] <nalioth> he was?
[02:24] <desertc> nalioth: Sounds like a good way for me to give back to Ubuntu for the great OS support, without paying the $250 each year required for full desktop support.  I wondered if you got some kind of receipt or something.
[02:24] <desertc> I was before the community council today.
[02:25] <nalioth> desertc: why not help out on irc or the forums?
[02:25] <nalioth> desertc: or with a Loco group?
[02:26] <desertc> I do that too.  But I understand that a big strength of the Ubuntu distro is Canonical pays developers to fix the code others are not interested in fixing.  I've seen enough OSS projects to understand the need for paid support.
[02:27] <somerville32> desertc, You can pay me.
[02:29] <vorian> lol
[02:29] <desertc> I think getting a fund together to pay individuals who support the project full-time would be a great idea, except so many people would feel like they were being left out, of course.  But I would contribute to such a fund!
[02:30] <desertc> Putting together enough money for one person to tie handicap accessibility applications into GNOME would be a big help for rolling our Ubuntu and other distros, but there's no activity there because it's not anyone's "itch to scratch", as they say.
[02:31] <desertc> *GNOME and especially open office
[02:31] <desertc> *not that it's not anyone's... more that it's not most people's... :P
[02:32] <desertc> Okay, I am going to be quiet now that I've put my foot in my mouth.
[02:38]  * nalioth offers desertc some good ol' Texas hot sauce for his dining experience
[02:41] <no0tic> directly from Mr. Rabid Texas Bobcat
[02:42] <LjL> hardy, hah, you fool
[02:43] <Pici> Yah..
[02:43] <somerville32> moo
[03:01] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[04:23] <DeadCPU> i come my i.p. is banned in the ubuntu channel ?
[04:32] <DeadCPU> i come i cannot join the ubuntu channel ?
[04:34] <DeadCPU> knock knock any op's in here
[04:36] <nalioth> DeadCPU: taken care of
[04:36] <DeadCPU> thanks for the help
[04:53] <coolbhavi> I am a newly approved ubuntu member... How to recognise myself as a ubuntu member on the IRC?
[04:55] <nalioth> coolbhavi: first thing is to identify yourself to servies
[04:55] <nalioth> services, even
[04:57] <coolbhavi> Which services?
[04:57] <nalioth> coolbhavi: nickserv for one
[04:57] <coolbhavi> OK you mean registration?
[04:57] <nalioth> coolbhavi: no, i mean /msg nickserv help identify
[04:58] <coolbhavi> OK got it......
[05:01] <coolbhavi> OK done.... Now?
[05:03] <nalioth> what is your launchpad ID ?
[05:03] <coolbhavi> bhavi
[05:06] <nalioth> can you register and/or link an alt nick, coolbhavi ?
[05:06] <nalioth> and add an email to your nickserv info?
[05:06] <coolbhavi> Please an example
[05:07] <nalioth> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[05:08] <coolbhavi> Wait a min please
[05:11] <coolbhavi> OK Shall i login with a different nick to link my primary nick?
[05:11] <coolbhavi> E mail address is set up....
[05:16] <coolbhavi> Its coming coolbhavi isnt registered
[05:16] <nalioth> coolbhavi: take your time, there is no rush
[05:21] <coolbhavi> alt nick registered..... I m unable to link
[05:21] <nalioth> coolbhavi: /msg nickserv link bhavibond password-of-bhavibond   < press enter key >
[05:22] <coolbhavi>  /msg nickserv link bhavibond india123
[05:22] <nalioth> try again (with a new password)  :)
[05:22] <nalioth> watch that leading space
[05:25] <coolbhavi> I ll register with a different nick
[05:27] <soldats_> i changed my settings to connect on port 8001 as i was told to do. so am i supposed to request a check or scan
[05:28] <nalioth> soldats_: ok, let's see
[05:29] <nalioth> ok, soldats_ you can join #ubuntu now and thanks for your patience  :)
[05:29] <soldats_> thanks i just noticed it i was gone for a few hours
[05:30] <soldats_> see yah
[05:31] <coolbhavi> done finally
[05:32] <coolbhavi> done my nick is linked to bhavi_ Now further?
[05:36] <nalioth> coolbhavi: /msg nickserv set master coolbhavi  < press enter key >  please
[05:36] <coolbhavi> Done
[05:37] <coolbhavi> now please I hope you arent frustrated..... Next?
[05:37] <nalioth> me? frustrated at what?
[05:38] <nalioth> just keep in mind that your cloak only shows when you're identified to nickserv
[05:38] <coolbhavi> OK I know that
[05:39] <coolbhavi> Frustrated at my repeated questioning..
[05:39] <nalioth> nah, it's not good to get frustrated when you're here to help folks
[05:40] <nalioth> doesn't help anything
[05:40] <coolbhavi> Ok!!! I agree but our Indian loco team thinks differently
[05:41] <coolbhavi> Flamewars with a newbie
[05:42] <coolbhavi> Infact they booed me out saying that I m a newbie......:) Inspite of being a senior member in the community
[05:42] <coolbhavi> Ubuntu community I mean........
[05:44] <coolbhavi> So leave it... What next? Should I join the Ubuntu cloaked people on freenode team in LP?
[05:46] <bhavibond>  /whois coolbhavi
[05:47] <coolbhavi> Nothing happening..... Tried with and without a space
[05:47] <nalioth> coolbhavi: that has already been done (the LP team addition)
[05:47] <nalioth> coolbhavi: type /msg nickserv info coolbhavi 
[05:48] <coolbhavi> OK thanks mate
[05:48] <coolbhavi> Thanks a lot 
[05:49] <coolbhavi> I was totally fed up with Indian Loco team...... Thought of quitting ubuntu...
[05:50] <coolbhavi> but... I would rather hang around with you guys... than that hell
[05:51] <coolbhavi> Where is the abuse report filed?
[06:01] <coolbhavi> I still dont get my cloak display when I right click my nick and go to the display info in xchat as others get
[06:01] <nalioth> coolbhavi: you've come unidentified
[06:02] <nalioth> if nickserv doesn't know you, there will be no cloak
[06:02] <coolbhavi> OK
[06:04] <coolbhavi> now still it isnt comming after identification
[06:05] <coolbhavi> Ok how to come Identified when Logging in?
[06:06] <nalioth> coolbhavi: in your "server password" field of your client, put your nickserv password
[06:07] <coolbhavi> OK
[06:24] <bhavibond> !OP
[06:24] <ubotu> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici or Pelo!
[06:24] <ubotu> bhavibond called the ops in #ubuntu-ops ()
[06:25] <nalioth> bhavibond: yes?
[06:25] <Madpilot> hmm?
[06:25] <bhavibond> where is my old nick?
[06:25] <Amaranth> nalioth: You banned him
[06:25] <nalioth> bhavibond: /nick coolbhavi
[06:25] <nalioth> Amaranth: that is not what he asked
[06:27] <bhavibond> Ok thanks....Got a bit confused..Set alright...... Thanks for your kind help
[06:29] <nalioth> bhavibond: are you aware that your client seems to be malfunctioning?
[06:29] <bhavibond> hey... Its redirecting me to an other channel
[06:30] <bhavibond> yes..... But set it right
[06:30] <nalioth> yes, it kept joining an /quitting
[06:30] <bhavibond> Command mistake
[06:31] <coolbhavi> Set it right thanks
[08:31] <ubotu> In ubotu, ardchoille said: ksystraycmd is Allows any application to be launched/kept in the system tray. See 'man ksystraycmd' for more information.
[08:33] <ubotu> In ubotu, ardchoille said: kstart is Utility to launch applications with special window properties. See 'man kstart' for more information.
[09:13] <Amaranth> !ping
[09:13] <ubotu> pong
[09:13] <Amaranth> weird
[09:53] <Gary> i'm not that weird Amaranth
[09:57] <Seeker`> Gary: pfft.
[10:10] <ubotu> coolbhavi called the ops in #ubuntu-in ()
[10:38] <ccm> hi there, this is the right place asking about a ubuntu cloak after getting ubuntu member?
[10:38] <Hobbsee> yes
[10:38] <ccm> i hereby do
[10:38] <ccm> :)
[10:40] <Hobbsee> that requires nalioth and such around
[10:40] <ccm> okay, than i should idle around here?
[10:44] <Hobbsee> yes
[10:46] <nalioth> ccm: what's your launchpad ID?
[10:46] <ccm> nalioth: damokles
[10:46] <ccm> ccm was sadfully taken :)
[10:48] <nalioth> ccm: can you link an alt nick right quick?
[10:49] <ccm> nalioth: wherè? in launchpad?
[10:49] <nalioth> ccm: no, right here please
[10:49] <nalioth> i don't think they have alternate nicks in launchpad
[10:49] <ccm> nalioth: how do i link it?
[10:49] <nalioth> Freenode recommends setting up your nick in this fashion: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ccm
[10:50] <ccm> nalioth: i will check this now
[10:50] <ccm> give me some secs
[10:52] <ccm_> nalioth: done
[10:53] <nalioth> cloak engaged  :)
[10:54] <ccm> nalioth: that was fast, thank you
[10:54] <ccm> looks much better now :)
[11:21] <Hobbsee> http://community.livejournal.com/techsupport/1544750.html
[11:21] <Hobbsee> last part, in particular
[11:28] <jussi01> Hobbsee: ROFL absolutely great!!!
[11:29] <Hobbsee> that community rocks :
[11:30] <Gary> lol
[11:30] <jussi01> Hobbsee: I got to get myself one of them
[11:31] <Hobbsee> :D
[11:42] <ubotu> srid called the ops in #ubuntu-in ()
[13:10] <jrib> ubotu: test
[13:10] <ubotu> cool called the ops in #ubuntu (alumno03)
[13:10] <ubotu> mwti called the ops in #ubuntu (alumno03)
[13:10] <ubotu> Failed.
[13:26] <Pici> MidnighToker: good morning, can we help you?
[13:31]  * elkbuntu pokes Hobbsee repeatedly
[13:32] <MidnighToker> Pici: good morning. i'm lurking to be honest. -I had to go find an op for ##linux earlier, and stupidly didn't think to try ##linux-ops. As i spend a lot of time in #ubuntu i thought I'd check if this is the right place
[13:32] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: heya!
[13:32]  * elkbuntu pouts at hobbsee
[13:33] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: pout at my car.
[13:33] <elkbuntu> ok
[13:33] <Hobbsee> it's bouncing.
[13:33]  * elkbuntu pouts at Hobbsee's car
[13:33] <elkbuntu> o.O
[13:33] <Hobbsee> yeah...
[13:33]  * elkbuntu waits for hobbsee to get what she said
[13:35]  * Hobbsee is missing something
[13:35] <elkbuntu> you dont watch enough late-night tv
[13:35] <Pici> MidnighToker: I'll be honest as well, this channel (although it might not look it right now /me glares at elkbuntu/hobbsee) is for operator issues, and we've had issues with people we dont know lurking here.  Just make note of the topic and that you might be removed without warning.  Just think of this right now as a polite request to depart if you have no other issues here.
[13:36] <elkbuntu> Pici, she missed my attending *and* talking at SLUG, something that will likely not happen again in whole or part for a long time, i reserve the right to annoy her about it anywhere i choose :Þ
[13:36]  * Pici pouts at Hobbsee for elkbuntu 
[13:37] <MidnighToker> Pici: i wasn't aware that the quantum idea of observation causing 'change' was worried about on IRC, but as you like
[13:37]  * Hobbsee puts up the "my car didn't want to go places, which made getting anywhere difficult" flagt
[13:38] <Hobbsee> and by the time i *would* have been able to get near slug, it would have been mostly over.
[13:38]  * elkbuntu holds up the "we didnt use a car at all" placard :Þ 
[13:38] <Hobbsee> lucky you
[13:38] <Hobbsee> you're in a location where you don't *need* a car.
[13:38] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, you realise im only harrassing you to stay true to my word, right :Þ
[13:38] <Pici> MidnighToker: Its more like we've had an issue with people who we dont know lurking here, making note of when people are around and coordinating attacks based on that.  Its not personal, believe me.
[13:38] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: oh, of course
[13:40] <MidnighToker> Pici: yeah, thats a fair point, not something i'd thought of.  oh well, thanks for the.... warm welcome?
[13:40]  * Pici feels bad about doing that, seeing as he used to idle here as a non-op
[13:40] <elkbuntu> anyway, now that i have fulfilled the duty, i shall venture for sleep since i've been on the go since 5:30am, which included flying from brisbane to sydney, finding my way through the sydney train network with my large purple suitcase, *and* talking at slug with like 2-3hrs notice
[13:41] <Pici> elkbuntu: cyas!
[13:41] <Hobbsee> heh
[13:42]  * elkbuntu huggles Hobbsee, one of us will call you tomorrow at some point (/me is clever and left both phone chargers back in wagga, so phones running on fumes)
[13:42] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: who's the other?
[13:42] <elkbuntu> s/will/may/
[13:42] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, yama
[13:42] <Hobbsee> ah
[13:43] <elkbuntu> anyway, ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzZZzz
[13:43] <ubotu> MenZa called the ops in #ubuntu (mike__)
[13:44] <ikonia> thank you piki
[13:44] <ikonia> pici
[13:44] <Pici> :)
[14:09] <ikonia> guys agent_bob in ubuntu being rude and offensive
[14:20] <juliank> So when will I get a cloak? (I already asked yesterday, as you may remember). I have seen that coolbhavi already got one?
[14:24]  * RainCT also would like to know this :)
[14:32] <juliank> RainCT: Does your @ubuntu.com e-mail work already?
[14:33] <Hobbsee> when nalioth is around to do it
[14:35] <RainCT> juliank: no
[15:00] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, Profanephobia said: !activex is ActiveX is Microsoft technology used for developing reusable object oriented software components. Many people incorrectly assume that all of ActiveX is related to ActiveX controls.
[15:01] <LjL> err, and we care because...
[15:09] <Ximal> hello m8's
[15:09] <Ximal> ...
[15:09] <Pici> Ximal: How can we help you today?
[15:10] <Ximal> woah .. when did we get forwarded here from off-topic ?
[15:10]  * Pici looks
[15:10] <Ximal> What happened to off topic ?
[15:11] <LjL> it went on topic
[15:11] <Ximal> ahh..
[15:11] <Pici> %btlogin
[15:11] <ubotu> An error has occurred and has been logged.
[15:11] <Pici> :(
[15:11] <Ximal> Well.. Ok..
[15:11] <LjL> Pici, patience, i'm trying to load it too
[15:11] <Ximal> May I ask .. If anyone would be willing to tell me ... something.. I hate to always ask support q's about thing.. err maybe it's best to go to apache room
[15:11] <Ximal> umm.. nm i'll ask in apache first.. if they can't help me.. i'll come here..
[15:11] <Ximal> thanks all..
[15:12] <LjL> .......
[15:12] <ikonia> ha ha ha
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[15:13] <LjL> anyway, pricechild's ban, because of "2007-11-29T18:52:39 <Ximal> so fuck u aubade.. peace"
[15:15] <Pici> Well, what audabe said wasnt nice, but hardly anything to get that worked up about
[15:18] <LjL> Pici: he's kind of an idiot anyway. you kicked him three days earlier for bragging about building a GSM signal jammer... *sigh*
[15:18] <Pici> LjL: I remember, I had a long conversation in query about it with him too
[15:19] <ikonia> why do they come here......
[15:20] <somerville32> ikonia, ...?
[15:20] <LjL> ikonia, because he was banforwarded? :)
[15:21] <Pici> He had no idea he was in -ops at first
[15:21] <ikonia> no, I mean to non-relevant irc channels
[15:22] <LjL> ikonia, #ubuntu-offtopic is kind of relevant... i mean, it's not unusual for support-but-not-entirely-ubuntu-related-questions to be asked there
[15:22] <LjL> i do it myself
[15:22] <ikonia> of course
[15:22] <ikonia> I mean the "I've built a radio jammer" style stuff
[15:22] <LjL> ah well, that's pretty offtopic as well :)
[15:22] <LjL> but, alas, also kind of against our much contested guidelines
[15:23] <ikonia> just been a funny few days with people in #ubuntu in general
[15:23] <LjL> this was always in #ubuntu-offtopic, including the radio jammer part
[15:24] <ikonia> yes, I'm sure
[15:24] <LjL> that guy was kicked from #ubuntu once too, but in march
[15:24] <ikonia> but its a bit of a pointless thing
[15:24] <ikonia> "hi I'm nothing to do with, nor do I use ubuntu, but I'll hang in channels and talk about nonsense"
[15:24] <ikonia> I'm sure there are channels that are relevant that would appriciate input
[15:24] <LjL> yeah, it's the kind of thing that's not only "questionably legal", but that even i would ban about
[15:24] <Pici> The radio jammer thing was a guidelines kick, not a non-support kick.
[15:25] <LjL> and i hardly ban for questionably legal stuff
[15:25] <LjL> here he is again
[15:25] <Ximal> Hello m8's///
[15:25] <Ximal> thanks ljl for the anouncement :)
[15:25] <LjL> hello n9
[15:26] <ikonia> LjL: </quote_of_the_day>
[15:26] <ikonia> your on fire
[15:26] <Ximal> umm.. would someone here know a file i can read or the process to setup user name access for folders on an apache server .. such as when someone visits www.ximal.com/forum it allows you to have them asked for a login/pwd ?
[15:26] <Pici> Ximal: Do you know why you've been forwarded here?
[15:26] <LjL> welcome to not a support channel, ximal
[15:26] <Ximal> not really pici..
[15:27] <LjL> Ximal, you've been forwarded because you had already left before anyone could ban you.
[15:27] <LjL> !language | Ximal
[15:27] <ubotu> Ximal: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[15:27] <Ximal> banned ?
[15:27] <LjL> telling people to engage in sexual intercourse, why you may perhaps see it as a wish of good fortune, is generally considered insulting
[15:27] <LjL> s/why/while/
[15:27] <Ximal> so .. I'm auto forwarded for voicing my opinion when someone insulted my mother yesterday ?
[15:28] <Hobbsee> "two wrongs do not make a right"
[15:28] <Ximal> aye they don't..
[15:28] <LjL> uhm, yeah. responding to insult with insult is worse than insult, in my book
[15:29] <Ximal> so you guys are going to ridicule me for having emotions ? my mom is end stage leukemia .. I also shared the fact that I had a learning disability so I go with and to where I know most answers will be given or are possibly referenced..
[15:29] <Ximal> If that's against the rules.. then that's fine..
[15:29] <Ximal> I apologize and promise not to use offensive language whatsoever again in an open ubuntu channel..
[15:30] <Ximal> I wont argu or yell .. i'll just leave..
[15:30] <Ximal> yall be good m8.. peace
[15:30]  * Pici deletes what he had been typing
[15:31] <LjL> Pici, keep it in the clipboard, he'll be back...
[15:31] <ikonia> ha ha
[15:32] <somerville32> That went relatively well though :/
[15:33] <LjL> yeah well i'll just wait for pricechild to come back and talk to him though
[15:33] <LjL> he likes querying banned people :P
[15:34] <PriceChild> Hey I'm back.
[15:34] <PriceChild> We have had a little talk about this almost immediately after the incident iirc.
[15:34] <PriceChild> nalioth, cloaks for juliank and RainCT please.
[15:35] <LjL> PriceChild, sure? he'd already left when you banned, which i assume is why you forwarded
[15:35] <PriceChild> he's a bit of a wierd one
[15:35] <ikonia> incoming boys
[15:35] <PriceChild> talking to him now
[15:35] <PriceChild> ikonia, ?
[15:36] <ikonia> phenomx in #ubuntu offering sudo su - because he's right and its stupid not to etc
[15:36] <ikonia> I directed him here if he has a problem with support guidelines
[15:37] <LjL> good call
[15:38] <Pici> I thought we had a bad-advice factoid..
[15:38] <ikonia> Pici: we did, but "its not bad advice, its fine" etc etc
[15:38] <PriceChild> WOOOOOOO I'm through to second round interviews :D
[15:38] <Pici> PriceChild: wooo
[15:38] <Pici> PriceChild: for what where?
[15:38]  * ikonia rests case
[15:39] <Mez> PriceChild, for the "computer repair guy" thing?
[15:39] <PriceChild> random "computer repair" guy job on campus
[15:39] <Pici> Thats great, job = good
[15:39] <LjL> Pici, i don't think we have such a factoid... we did add something to that effect to the *guidelines* in the last meeting though
[15:39] <Mez> !find advice
[15:39] <Mez> !bot
[15:39] <Pici> LjL: I think thats what I'm thinking of.
[15:39] <ubotu> Package/file advice does not exist in gutsy
[15:39] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[15:39] <Pici> !mez
[15:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mez - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:39] <PriceChild> Mez, search
[15:39] <Mez> !search advice
[15:39] <ubotu> Found: breezy-#ubuntu-effects, kidding
[15:40] <Mez> !kidding
[15:40] <LjL> yeah kidding is the closest
[15:40] <ubotu> You might think your joke is funny, but you may confuse new users who follow your advice or irritate people who attempt to answer your question.
[15:40] <LjL> but not really applicable here
[15:40] <Pici> ja.
[15:40] <Pici> !guidelines
[15:40] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[15:40] <PriceChild> worksforme?
[15:40] <ikonia> if a freenoder is around please be aware of the user Klej trying to pm people asking for "a shell" on their machine so he can practice
[15:41] <ikonia> nalioth: ompaul: etc
[15:41] <Pici> ompaul isnt a staffer iirc
[15:41] <ikonia> oof really
[15:41] <ikonia> ooh
[15:41] <ikonia> I thought he was
[15:41] <Pici> ikonia: and you might want to report that in #freenode
[15:41] <Pici> he was
[15:41] <ikonia> Pici: already done
[15:42] <LjL> ikonia: see my last comment to andycasss as well... "sudo su -" isn't really such a big deal (why not "sudo -i" i say, but anyway), but the idea itself of putting the root password in a command line, well, that's a Very Bad Idea (tm)
[15:43] <PriceChild> He wants to set up a psybnc on someone's machine.
[15:43] <LjL> and he needs root because...
[15:43] <ikonia> PriceChild correct
[15:43] <ikonia> LjL because he knows better...etc.etc.etc
[15:43]  * PriceChild points him to google
[15:43] <LjL> i assume he also intends to *run* psybnc as root?
[15:44] <LjL> (by the way, i thought nobody used psybnc anymore)
[15:44] <ikonia> LjL: I suspect its a way of getting access to someones machine
[15:44] <PriceChild> LjL, i'm talking about klej
[15:44] <LjL> PriceChild: ah
[15:45] <ikonia> ughhhh he's messaging me again
[15:45] <LjL> ikonia: is he asking it around to #ubuntu users?
[15:45] <ikonia> why do the nutters pick me to pm
[15:45] <ikonia> LjL: yeah
[15:46] <LjL> ikonia: but to other channels' users as well?
[15:46] <ikonia> USERNAME in #ubuntu - langauge
[15:46] <ikonia> LjL: I believe so, but not certain
[15:46] <PriceChild> LjL, perhaps ban on i=jemshi
[15:46] <PriceChild> whoops wrong quit message
[15:46] <Hobbsee> Pici: this guy sounds rather clueless.  *sigh*
[15:48] <LjL> [16:48:49] <LjL> hi i was wondering if you could help me with confuging my synaptics from sources.list, because i cannot get any help in the chan
[15:48] <LjL> (to klej)
[15:49] <LjL> [16:49:10] <Klej> have you shell man ?
[15:49] <LjL> [16:49:24] <LjL> what?
[15:49] <LjL> [16:49:32] <Klej> Shell
[15:49] <LjL> [16:49:41] <LjL> uh yeah i can run a shell
[15:49] <Pici> Hobbsee: I still dont understand why people expect these dev releases to 'just-work'
[15:50] <Hobbsee> Pici: yeah well.
[15:50] <LjL> [16:50:03] <Klej> give me user..
[15:50] <LjL> [16:50:04] <Klej> add me
[15:50] <Pici> I know, it was more of a rhetorical question
[15:50] <LjL> !staff | klej is PM'ing clueless people asking for shell accounts on their machines, ikonia and i can confirm (see my trick-query above)
[15:50] <ubotu> klej is PM'ing clueless people asking for shell accounts on their machines, ikonia and i can confirm (see my trick-query above): Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2 or Christel,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[15:51] <ikonia> LjL: nice trick
[15:53] <LjL> klej left
[15:53] <ikonia> shock horror
[15:53] <LjL> Klej was n=zeljko@77.239.65.68
[16:04] <Mez> hehe, I dunno why, but being an ubuntu op almost feels like being honorary freenode staff ;)
[16:04] <Mez> no power, but we still do a lot of the dirty work
[16:06] <LjL> Mez, rest assured that most staff will hardly k-line merely on one unverifiable report from an ubuntu op :)
[16:14] <Mez> LjL, no, I know that, but still, I wonder how many things we alert them of a day
[16:15] <Seeker`> isn't ubuntu one of the biggest groups on freenode?
[16:16] <Mez> I'd assume so, if not the biggest
[16:16] <jdong> ha. now we're Freenode too.
[16:16] <jdong> Ubuntu will soon be a synonym for everything :)
[16:17] <PriceChild> jdong, ubuntu off
[16:17] <jdong> PriceChild: what the ubuntu is your problem?
[16:17] <PriceChild> ubuntu
[16:18] <jdong> PriceChild: get back to work or I'll put 12 inches of my ubuntu up your kubuntu
[16:18] <jdong> *hides*
[16:18] <PriceChild> You crossed the line dude.
[16:18] <jdong> there's still a line? :)
[16:19] <somerville32> lol
[16:19]  * somerville32 pats jdong on the head.
[16:20] <jdong> ok, now for 0-day exam reviewing....
[16:20] <jdong> bye everyone!
[16:20]  * somerville32 waves.
[16:20]  * Pici waves somerville32 at jdong 
[16:20]  * somerville32 flaps in the wind.
[17:14]  * RainCT is sad because he has still no cloak hehe
[17:14] <no0tic> lol
[17:20] <andrea-bs> hi all
[17:21] <LjL> hi, how can we help you?
[17:21] <andrea-bs> I'm a new ubuntu member. Could somebody give me a cloak, please?
[17:21] <LjL> andrea-bs, is your membership status already on Launchpad?
[17:22] <andrea-bs> https://edge.launchpad.net/~andrea-bs/+participation
[17:22] <andrea-bs> yes
[17:23] <LjL> andrea-bs, please make sure that you have a linked nickname, and an email address registered with NickServ
[17:23] <andrea-bs> ok
[17:24] <andrea-bs> done
[17:24] <andrea-bs> I've setted my e-mail address
[17:24] <LjL> andrea-bs: have you set a secondary linked nickname too? if yes, what is it?
[17:25] <andrea-bs> I haven't a secondary nick
[17:25] <LjL> andrea-bs, please set one. change your nickname, register it, and then use /ns link YourMainNickname password
[17:26] <LjL> err, bad choice of nickname in my opinion :)
[17:26] <LjL> !away
[17:26] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[17:26] <no0tic> andrea-bs\away, anything _but_ \away nick :)
[17:26] <andrea-bs\away> mh...
[17:27] <andrea-bs> any suggestion? :)
[17:27] <no0tic> andrea-bs_
[17:27] <no0tic> :)
[17:27] <LjL> andrea-bs, sb-aerdna
[17:28] <no0tic> LjL, very svenska
[17:28] <andrea-bs_> lol
[17:28] <andrea-bs_> -NickServ- Please wait 120 seconds before using REGISTER again
[17:28] <andrea-bs_> sorry...
[17:28] <no0tic> LjL, you couldn't use that method :)
[17:28] <LjL> no0tic: etairuguaitnat
[17:29] <LjL> andrea-bs_: annoying, i know, just wait those two minutes
[17:29] <no0tic> LjL, icilefirugaitnat
[17:29] <LjL> no0tic: indeed i couldn't, that's the coolness of my nick to begin with :P
[17:29] <andrea-bs_> done :)
[17:30] <LjL> andrea-bs_: is it linked yet?
[17:30] <andrea-bs_> oh, sorry!
[17:30] <andrea-bs> -NickServ- Your nickname is now linked to [andrea-bs_]
[17:30] <LjL> argh
[17:30] <LjL> no
[17:31] <ikonia> ha ha ha ha
[17:31] <LjL> you should have linked the 'secondary* to the *primary*
[17:31] <LjL> now you've lost all your nick settings and access list
[17:31] <andrea-bs> what a lucky day
[17:31] <andrea-bs> so?
[17:32] <LjL> andrea-bs, /msg nickserv unlink, then change to andrea-bs_, and link from there
[17:32] <crdlb> /msg nickserv set master andrea-bs
[17:32] <LjL> but you've still lost any op priviledge you had i fear
[17:33] <LjL> err yeah, what crdlb said rather
[17:33] <crdlb> why would those be removed?
[17:33] <andrea-bs> -NickServ- The master nickname for your link has been changed to [andrea-bs]
[17:33] <LjL> crdlb: from /ns help link:
[17:33] <LjL> Once you have linked nicknames, your ACCESS list will be deleted, and you will share- <nickname>'s access list
[17:33] <crdlb> ah lovely :/
[17:33] <LjL> andrea-bs, set the email address again, think it's been lost
[17:34] <andrea-bs> only in the master?
[17:34] <LjL> andrea-bs: and if you are operator in any channels, type /ns info andrea-bs and make sure you are still an operator
[17:34] <LjL> yes
[17:34] <andrea-bs> I still an op :)
[17:35] <LjL> uhm cool, though in this case i haven't quite understood how linking works
[17:35] <andrea-bs> ah, I've set my email
[17:37] <LjL> andrea-bs: ok now you're all set, but you'll still have to wait for some freenode staff to show up and cloak you. we'll take care of that. check that you've successfully been added to the ubuntu-irc-cloaks team
[17:37] <andrea-bs> I'm in the team
[17:38] <no0tic> LjL, there's another LP team too
[17:38] <andrea-bs> thanks for your help
[17:38] <LjL> no0tic: hm?
[17:38] <no0tic> LjL, wam
[17:38] <LjL> no0tic, i don't get you. wam is a person
[17:39] <no0tic> LjL, wait a minute
[17:41] <no0tic> i can't find it
[17:41] <LjL> no0tic: well what was it about?
[17:41]  * RainCT notes he isn't in ~ubuntu-irc-cloaks
[17:41] <LjL> RainCT, your launchpad page?
[17:41] <no0tic> LjL, smth like ubuntu-cloaked-sth
[17:42]  * no0tic too
[17:42] <RainCT> LjL: http://launchpad.net/~rainct
[17:42] <LjL> no0tic, launchpad page?
[17:42] <no0tic> ~no0tic
[17:42] <LjL> no0tic and RainCT, do you have a secondary nickname set (please tell me what it is) and an email on nickserv?
[17:43] <no0tic> LjL, yes I have three, no0tic_ and gioppo
[17:43] <RainCT> LjL: yes, RainC1 and RainCT_
[17:43] <no0tic> LjL, three considering master one
[17:43] <no0tic> LjL, already linked and email set
[17:45] <LjL> no0tic, RainCT, you have been added to the list of the people to cloak, you may be contacted by freenode staff later
[17:45] <no0tic> thanks
[17:47] <RainCT> LjL: thanks
[18:10] <juliank> LjL: Could I get a cloak, too? (primary: juliank, secondary: juliank0, jak-software || LAUNCHPAD: juliank || E-Mail set on juliank)
[18:13] <LjL> juliank: you're good to go, but you'll also have to wait a little longer for the actual cloaking to happen
[18:13] <juliank> LjL: No problem.
[20:20] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[20:22] <Pici> odd, no one dropped due to that.
[20:22]  * Seeker` wonders if naliot.h has a script to auto k-line the start key l0gger string
[20:23] <Pici> Seeker`: I guess yes, it was less than 2 seconds after the exploit
[20:24] <Seeker`> Pici: The timestamp of the exploit and the k-line were the same on my client
[20:25] <jdong> maybe he's just fast like that :)
[20:26] <Seeker`> jdong: l337 op skillz?
[20:26] <jdong> who else? :)
[20:28] <mneptok> heh. naliot.h
[20:29] <Seeker`> #include <naliot.h>
[20:29] <Pici> shred naliot.h
[20:29] <Seeker`> :O
[20:30] <jdong> Pici: you're gonna have to pay for that ;-)
[20:30]  * Seeker` didn't want to ping him without reason
[20:31] <jdong> I'm not so sure simple manglings of his nick don't ping him ;-)
[20:31] <jdong> I ping on most variants of my nick
[20:31] <jdong> but then again I'm crazy
[20:31] <mc44> j.don.g
[20:31] <jdong> mc44: pung.
[20:31] <mc44> oh dear
[20:32] <mc44> j-smells-do-bad-ng
[20:32]  * Gary pings jdong's dong
[20:32] <jdong> mc44: WHAT?
[20:32] <jdong> Gary: not now honey daddy got a big math test in 30m
[20:32] <jdong> maybe afterwards ;-)
[20:33] <Seeker`> :O
[20:33] <Seeker`> jdong: what sort of maths
[20:36] <Seeker`> it would seem that jdong doesn't ping on jdong  :P
[20:52] <ompaul> mneptok, I have sadness
[20:52] <ompaul> apt-cache search sadness
[20:52] <ompaul> m108# uname -a
[20:53] <ompaul> says this as part of its uname: root@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP  i386
[20:53] <ompaul> ahh well
[21:51] <LjL> Pici, so there *was* an exploit? i just came back and thought the bots went crazy...
[21:51] <nalioth> yes, there was
[21:53] <Seeker`> someone wrote some text about starting keyloggers
[21:53] <LjL> yeah that's an exploit :)
[21:55] <nalioth> Seeker`: it was more than that.
[21:56] <TuxOtaku> hey, can someone test me for that exploit?
[21:56] <PriceChild> TuxOtaku, you may rejoin #ubuntu
[21:57] <Seeker`> nalioth: What else was it?
[21:58] <nalioth> Seeker`: it was a full house exploit
[21:58] <Seeker`> whats one of them?
[21:59] <ubotu> erUSUL called the ops in #ubuntu (olegfink Dangerous commands)
[22:02] <jdong> Seeker`: differential equation -- ODE systems, linear/non-linear, {non}homogenous....
[22:03] <jdong> Seeker`: and taking the exam would be a legit excuse for not responding to pings.
[22:03] <Seeker`> jdong: ODE?
[22:03] <Seeker`> jdong: pfft, likely story :P
[22:03] <jdong> Seeker`: ordinary differential equation
[22:03] <Seeker`> how did it go?
[22:03] <Amaranth> PhinnFort: So that was you then?
[22:03] <jdong> Seeker`: horribly.
[22:03] <Seeker`> jdong: :(
[22:03] <PhinnFort> Amaranth: ?
[22:03] <jdong> Seeker`: I think I am set in stone towards my first academic failure
[22:04] <jdong> that class seriously makes me suicidal
[22:04] <Amaranth> You want us to modify the ban to only match that nick, that would suggest you are that person or know that person
[22:04] <Seeker`> jdong: With most subjects, I tend to find that the exams i think i've done really badly in are actually ok, and the ones that went well get low marks
[22:04] <Seeker`> apart from maths
[22:04] <jdong> I can do all 20 years' worth of practice exams for that course in my sleep by now
[22:04] <Seeker`> how serious is it if you do fail?
[22:04] <jdong> but I look at the exam and can only figure out  1 of 8 parts with minimal effort
[22:04] <PhinnFort> Amaranth: he asked me to ask you, yes
[22:04] <PhinnFort> Amaranth: he is also in #archlinux
[22:05] <jdong> Seeker`: my previous marks for this course were slighlty above average and below average
[22:05] <jdong> Seeker`: so a fail would be a very serious situation
[22:05] <Amaranth> PhinnFort: I see no reason to change the ban
[22:05] <Amaranth> If someone else was using the same 'server' to get on IRC they'll be mad at him, as they should be
[22:06] <PhinnFort> Amaranth: according to him, he is on a public server, but it is up to you
[22:06] <Amaranth> He is just looking for an easy way to evade the ban
[22:06] <PhinnFort> Amaranth: he is probably ssh-ing in (no need to 's it)
[22:06] <PhinnFort> think a university-server
[22:06] <LjL> i've changed the ban, now if someone else connects, he won't be stranded.
[22:07] <elkbuntu> evading
[22:07] <PriceChild> Hmm its Friday...
[22:07] <PriceChild> Hello elkbuntu!!! :)
[22:07] <elkbuntu> helloes
[22:08] <Amaranth> PhinnFort: Maybe he'll get in trouble with the school then
[22:08] <Amaranth> Using their server to launch an attack
[22:08] <PhinnFort> Amaranth: I don't really care
[22:09] <PhinnFort> Amaranth: It wasn't as much an attack, rather than a rather innocent shellscript (unless run as root, and it still warns what it is going to do)
[22:09] <Seeker`> jdong: thats bad :(
[22:09] <Seeker`> jdong: I've got some horrible maths to do at the moment
[22:09] <ompaul> PhinnFort, that is not a good call
[22:09] <PriceChild> PhinnFort, "no".
[22:09] <PhinnFort> ompaul: ?
[22:10] <PhinnFort> I'm not defending him, but it's still not an "attack"
[22:10] <PriceChild> It was.
[22:10] <ompaul> PhinnFort, and calling it "innocent" is not correct
[22:10] <PhinnFort> sheez
[22:10] <PriceChild> because someone could so blindly paste that in
[22:10] <ompaul> PhinnFort, it ain't funny
[22:10] <LjL> PhinnFort, it warns of nothing.
[22:10] <PhinnFort> ompaul: if it doesn't do any harm, it's innocent
[22:10] <ompaul> PhinnFort, and if it does harm it is?
[22:10] <PhinnFort> PriceChild: it runs either dialog or gdialog
[22:10] <PhinnFort> ompaul: malicious
[22:10] <ompaul> PhinnFort, you seem to know too much about it
[22:11] <PriceChild> There's a very serious trend in the rise of malicious attacks like that lately.
[22:11] <iarwain1> Is it possible to change the ban mask for olegfink from ip to nick-based?
[22:11] <PhinnFort> *%s/PriceChild/LjL/
[22:11] <ompaul> iarwain1, no
[22:11] <PriceChild> iarwain1, why?
[22:11] <Amaranth> Wow
[22:11] <PriceChild> iarwain1, and who are you?
[22:11] <iarwain1> PriceChild: 'cause it's quite a public ip.
[22:11] <iarwain1> a friend :-)
[22:11] <Amaranth> These are his friends from #archlinux
[22:11] <ompaul> iarwain1, lets help you here - no
[22:12] <LjL> ompaul, he's technically right, it's not an "attack". but that's a technicality really :)
[22:12] <PhinnFort> "friends", or random people who are active
[22:12]  * PhinnFort thrives on technicality
[22:12] <LjL> iarwain1, i wonder if olegfink is recruiting people from all over freenode to ask for banmask changing
[22:12] <PriceChild> iarwain1, I fail to see any others on this "public" connection.
[22:12] <ompaul> active in helping people with seriously malicious rubbish - go support free software rather than attacking it
[22:12] <PhinnFort> ompaul: the script is still at the pastebin, if you want to look at it
[22:13] <iarwain1> LjL: nope, i'm just trying to help him out a bit
[22:13] <PriceChild> PhinnFort, no-one would write something like that without wanting it to be run.
[22:13] <PriceChild> It "could" be made so much simpler.
[22:13] <PhinnFort> LjL: he just complained in #archlinux if someone could change the ban
[22:13] <ompaul> PhinnFort, I have 14/15 years of unix/linux several years of main frame and wrote my first code on a four terminal workstation in '80 - it does not impress me
[22:13] <LjL> right channel to ask in, surely
[22:13] <PhinnFort> PriceChild: it took him 5 minutes
[22:13] <PhinnFort> PriceChild: it would have taken me 10 seconds, it's simple bash
[22:14] <jdong> PhinnFort: it's not a contest.
[22:14] <PriceChild> *bows down in your aura*
[22:14] <Amaranth> This discussion is going no where
[22:14] <Amaranth> The ban is not changing
[22:14] <LjL> indeed
[22:14] <ompaul> kill -9
[22:14] <LjL> if you people want, ask the guy to come here
[22:14] <ompaul> conversation over
[22:14] <LjL> he can defend himself
[22:14] <PhinnFort> LjL: I told him
[22:14] <Amaranth> If he gets in trouble with his school then good, maybe he'll learn something
[22:14] <LjL> PhinnFort: in which case, as ompaul said, conversation over. he knows where to go to make his case.
[22:14] <PhinnFort> LjL: ok
[22:19] <olegfink> hi
[22:19] <olegfink> may I ask changing my ban mask from ip-based to nick-based?
[22:19] <PriceChild> I'm sorry but that isn't currently possible.
[22:20] <PriceChild> We have considered the request after several of your friends have asked.
[22:20] <olegfink> because, while I have nothing against me being banned on #ubuntu, this ip is used by some other innocent people
[22:20] <PriceChild> olegfink, we have taken this claim into consideration.
[22:21] <PriceChild> However we have not found any other users with the same ip, so are disregarding it.
[22:21] <LjL> olegfink, then please send an email to the abuse@ address of the institution you're connecting from. Tell them that you posted malicious code on a public channel. If they get in contact with us, we'll get the ban removed, after they've taken appropriate actions about you.
[22:22] <olegfink> should I say that this code is not malicious?
[22:22] <olegfink> it is not even in an executable format
[22:23] <olegfink> it was posted as a supposed beginning of a discussion realting GUI issues
[22:23] <olegfink> *relating
[22:23] <LjL> olegfink, that's just because you forgot the ! after the #
[22:23] <Amaranth> It's a script that make sure it's running as root then runs rm -rf /
[22:23] <olegfink> Amaranth: yes.
[22:23] <Amaranth> And there is no way such a thing can start a discussion about GUIs
[22:23] <jdong> LjL: how does that stop it from becoming nonexecutable?
[22:24] <jdong> LjL: I'm quite sure all POSIX-like systems will assume /bin/sh if the shell is not parseable or specified
[22:24] <LjL> jdong: err, i'm lost in double negations
[22:24] <LjL> jdong: ah well yes, i suppose
[22:24] <olegfink> I didn't care it is runs or not.
[22:24] <jdong> it is most certainly live and active should someone be foolish enough to run it.
[22:24] <PriceChild> no foolish
[22:24] <LjL> jdong: you've been? :P
[22:24] <PriceChild> more naive
[22:25] <PriceChild> that's not the right spelling is it...
[22:25] <PriceChild> and I meant not
[22:25] <ompaul> olegfink, we do so much that we remove people from #ubuntu when they even think it
[22:25] <PhinnFort> naïve
[22:25] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[22:25] <jdong> LjL: no but I've ran into similar starts-with-sh-because-of-type situations
[22:25] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[22:25] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[22:25] <jdong> typo*
[22:25] <ubotu> FunnyLookinHat called the ops in #ubuntu-us-co ()
[22:26] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[22:26] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[22:27] <olegfink> again, as I said, if you want to consider this as an harmful attempt, it's your right. But please don't make other users of this host be affected by your decision.
[22:27] <jdong> olegfink: umm, whose fault is it that your IP is banned?
[22:27] <PriceChild> if they are, then they will be assisted.
[22:27] <ompaul> olegfink, your call you did it
[22:27] <jdong> it's a bit too late to be thinking of others that you chose to ignore when posting that code...
[22:28] <olegfink> I have a feeling that you've got some workload off the God
[22:28] <PhinnFort> when you're banned from #ubuntu, will you be forwarded to a channel where you have the chance to ask for removal of said ban?
[22:28] <SportChick> LjL: what's happening?
[22:28] <LjL> SportChick, just a registered guy doing an exploit, k-lined
[22:28] <Amaranth> PhinnFort: Not usually
[22:28] <ompaul> PhinnFort, not in all cases and not open to debate
[22:29] <ompaul> SportChick, we got someone who thinks rm - you know what is clever stuff and should be posted elsewhere
[22:29] <ompaul> SportChick, then we got some idiot who thinks that dcc offers are clever
[22:29] <SportChick> ompaul: gee, fun
[22:29] <ompaul> SportChick, as always :-)
[22:30] <PhinnFort> SportChick: it was not just rm -f[#], but it did warn you before it did it with a gdialog
[22:30] <olegfink> that was the whole point
[22:30] <PhinnFort> and it wouldn't even go that far it wasn't root
[22:30] <olegfink> a gui for rm
[22:30] <jdong> how does the display of a warning dialog make it any better?
[22:31] <PriceChild> PhinnFort, olegfink not up for debate.
[22:31] <PhinnFort> jdong: it gives the user the ability to NOT delete /?
[22:31]  * PhinnFort huddles into the dark corners again
[22:31] <ompaul> there is no point in trying to defend the stupidity of the action of putting that in a channel where there are new users - if it was not stupid it was evil malicious and anti free software community behaviour
[22:31] <jdong> that doesn't make it any better....
[22:31]  * Amaranth bows to the master
[22:31] <Amaranth> Hey Seveas
[22:31]  * ompaul high fives Seveas 
[22:32]  * jdong pokes Seveas to fit in too
[22:32] <PriceChild> *wonders how many times we can ping him*
[22:32] <Seveas> Anyone seen Gary/Gazzak lately?
[22:32] <ompaul> yah
[22:32] <jdong> Seveas: 2 hours ago?
[22:32] <ompaul> eariler today
[22:32] <jdong> in here
[22:32] <Seveas> that would qualify as 'lately' :)
[22:32] <ompaul> Seveas, glad it does - if not we would be worried
[22:32] <ompaul> :)
[22:33]  * Seveas needs a word with him
[22:33] <ompaul> Seveas, email might be useful
[22:33]  * jdong plays evil music
[22:33] <olegfink> the last question I ask,
[22:33] <ompaul> #ubuntu-uk is also useful
[22:33] <PriceChild> Haha what's he gone and done now?!
[22:33] <Seveas> and with anyone looking for a windows admin, linux admin or perl dev job in NL or UK (cambridge area :))
[22:33] <ompaul> olegfink, most likely not
[22:33] <PriceChild> Always getting into mischief...
[22:33] <Seeker`> He last quite with a "no route to host" message
[22:33] <Seeker`> Seveas: moving to the UK?
[22:34] <Seveas> Seeker`, no, but we're hiring there :)
[22:34] <jdong> Seveas: I'm looking for a friend in the US Cambridge area ;-)
[22:34] <olegfink> if you claim that there are new users who might run the code, how do you consider them running it? So they copy-paste it into a file, make it executable (sic!) and run it?
[22:34] <Seveas> jdong, try adultfriendfinder :p
[22:34]  * Seeker` would quite like a linux admin job near cambridge, although I have no experience, and wont graduate until june
[22:34] <ompaul> olegfink, not open to discussion
[22:34]  * jdong points out they can just copy paste it into a terminal
[22:35] <jdong> or even more dangerous, *pieces* of it into a terminal
[22:35] <PriceChild> olegfink, again... not up for discussion.
[22:35] <Seveas> Seeker`, sorry, we're looking for experienced people atm
[22:35] <Seeker`> :(
[22:35] <Seeker`> everywhere is looking for exerienced people
[22:35] <olegfink> okay
[22:35] <PriceChild> Seeker`, not where i'm going for :D
[22:35] <ompaul> olegfink, I have over 27 years on a keyboard and I was in my late teens then - so here is the news - Not Clever - Not Funny - Not Forgivable
[22:35] <Seeker`> I've had a years experience working for vodafone, some of which invovled setting up some servers
[22:35] <Seveas> Seeker`, yeah, that's terrible I know. Next year could be better
[22:35] <Seeker`> but they were only for testing
[22:36] <Seeker`> and I spent most of the year doing Java web dev
[22:36] <olegfink> ompaul: it was Not a Joke
[22:36] <Seeker`> although I did convert most of the team to using ubuntu :D
[22:36] <Seveas> well, the cmb guys might need some java webdev people
[22:36]  * jdong has 3 months of experience with failing differential equations and biology...
[22:36] <ompaul> olegfink, correct - it was not - and you should not have done it
[22:36] <Amaranth> Seveas: I've got years of experience admin'ing thousands of machines in #ubuntu ;)
[22:36] <Seeker`> Seveas: what does a typical linux admin job involve?
[22:37] <Amaranth> Seeker`: Drinking coffee and reading slashdot
[22:37] <jdong> Amaranth: lol that sounds like such a botnet tagline ;-)
[22:37] <Seveas> Amaranth that's basically how I got the job last year :)
[22:37] <ompaul> Amaranth, he writes the code that makes the menu work
[22:37] <ompaul> woops
[22:37] <ompaul> wrong way around
[22:38] <ompaul> olegfink, is there anything else we can help you with
[22:38] <Seeker`> Amaranth: I can do that
[22:38] <Seveas> Seeker`, maintaining and monitoring machines, getting things scalable (we scale 100% per year, that's a tough job) and integrating all kinds of software
[22:38] <Seeker`> Amaranth: Well, apart from the coffee, but other caffiene containing drinks are ok
[22:39] <Seeker`> Seveas: Ah. I had a brief go at that sort of stuff, but not for long
[22:39] <Seeker`> I was system admin for a week though :D
[22:39] <olegfink> ompaul: I don't think so. I'm really sorry that my attempt was misunderstood, and as I can't do a lot about it (and neither can you), I think I'm just supposed to leave, right?
[22:39] <DGJ> Hi, just wondering if anyone who frequents ubuntu-uk is around, i'm getting * FileSender has offered Fedora-8-i386-DVD.iso (-1 bytes) at 22:25 (about 10 times) from the channel, could well have been picked up & dealt with, but wanted to bring to your attention
[22:39] <poeloq> hi
[22:40] <poeloq> again
[22:40] <PriceChild> Hello there!
[22:40] <PriceChild> How can we help?
[22:40] <ompaul> iarwain1, PhinnFort olegfink is there anything else we can help you with?
[22:40] <poeloq> does anybody know of a list of requested help articles/screencasts?
[22:40] <PriceChild> DGJ, spammer in #ubuntu. Fixed.
[22:40] <PriceChild> poeloq, /topic
[22:40] <ubotu> Bassetts called the ops in #ubuntu-uk ()
[22:40] <Seveas> Seeker`, you can help DGJ  :)
[22:40] <olegfink> okay, I think this was a kind suggestion to leave
[22:40] <Seeker`> wil ldo
[22:40] <PhinnFort> ompaul: ok, I'll leave;)
[22:40] <iarwain1> ompaul: Too bad :) Still, thanks for letting us speak
[22:40] <DGJ> Thanks Pricechild & Seveas
[22:41] <Seeker`> They weren't in -ul
[22:41] <Seeker`> *-uk
[22:42] <Seeker`> Can we get the ops list for -uk updated
[22:42] <PriceChild> Seeker`, yeah sure
[22:42] <PriceChild> suggest a new one
[22:43] <Seeker`> Mez, Loudmouthman, jono, apokryphos, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey
[22:44] <ompaul> Seeker`, any more you might find useful?
[22:45] <Seeker`> ompaul: that is the contents of the -uk access
[22:45] <PriceChild> Done.
[22:45] <Seeker`> well, apart from freenode staff
[22:45] <Seeker`> tsk tsk tsk
[22:46] <Seeker`> I think that is the first time i've seen !ops used in -uk
[22:46] <Seeker`> And i've been there for about a year now
[22:48] <Seeker`> PriceChild: where have you applied to work?
[22:48]  * Seeker` really needs to start looking for a job
[22:49] <PriceChild> Seeker`, computer shop on campus
[22:49] <Seeker`> PriceChild: Cool
[22:50] <Seeker`> I doubt I'll get a job doing exactly what I want
[22:50] <Seveas> Seeker`, nobody hires people for being lazy and doing nothing :p
[22:50] <PriceChild> Seveas, aww :(
[22:50] <Seeker`> Seveas: Ok, I doubt i'll get a job doing the next best thing :P
[22:51] <Seeker`> Seveas: What company do you work for?
[22:51] <PriceChild> Gary, quick run!!!
[22:51] <Seeker`> Gary: Run! Seveas is after you!
[22:51] <Seveas> Seeker`, booking.com / activehotels.com / priceline.com (one big happy family)
[22:51] <Seeker`> cool
[22:51] <Seveas> hey Gary
[22:51]  * Seeker` would ideally like to get in to compiler writing, but there are very few companies that do it
[22:52] <Seveas> Seeker`, get an MSc in computer science. Lots of compiler research there
[22:52] <nalioth> Gary: prepare to meet thy doom
[22:52] <Seeker`> Seveas: I'm getting a BSc in computer science
[22:52] <Seveas> Seeker`, close enough
[22:53] <Gary> Seveas, the Cambridge one?
[22:53] <ompaul> Seeker`,  then you can move to the msc after
[22:53] <Seveas> surely cambridge uni should do compiler research
[22:53] <Seveas> gary pm
[22:53] <Seeker`> I'm a final year student, currently doing the advanced compilers course, and my final year project is writing a superoptimizing compiler
[22:53] <Seeker`> Seveas: Possibly, but I go to Bath uni
[22:53] <Seeker`> Also, my final year project supervisor runs a small compiler writing company
[22:54] <ompaul> Seeker`, so you stand a bitof a chance
[22:55] <Seeker`> ompaul: Possibly, but most places want 3 or 5 years of compiler writing experience, or experience hacking gcc
[22:55] <Seeker`> of which I have neither
[22:55] <elkbuntu> Seveas!
[22:56] <ompaul> Seeker`, so join #gcc and get on its lists and get involved
[22:56] <Seveas> Seeker`, they *want* that, but often they also hire people with less experience who are eager to learn and show capability to do so
[22:56] <Seeker`> ompaul: Dont have the time at the moment
[22:56] <ompaul> Seeker`, get off irc and do what you need to do to get there
[22:56] <ompaul> and you will learn stuff that will help you
[22:56] <Seveas> elkbuntu!
[22:57] <Seeker`> I have a load of work to do on compilers coursework, algebra coursework, final year project coursework and exam revision
[22:57] <elkbuntu> :D
[22:57] <Seeker`> ompaul: Aren't I allowed friday night off?
[22:57] <ompaul> Seeker`, no
[22:57] <Seveas> Seeker`, no :p
[22:57]  * elkbuntu huggles Seveas
[22:57] <Seeker`> aww :(
[22:57] <Seeker`> I've got a pile of research papers to read tomorrow
[22:58] <ompaul> sleep is overrated
[22:58] <Seeker`> ompaul: agreed.
[22:58] <Seveas> sleep is deprivated here
[22:58] <Seveas> been a hell-week career wise
[22:58] <Seeker`> I have 10 days till some mini-deadlines
[22:58] <ompaul> Seveas, I have had a really bad week on many fronts
[22:58] <Seeker`> Seveas: whats been wrong?
[22:59] <ompaul> I was told by the chairman of the company to go and enjoy the weekend
[22:59] <PriceChild> I think its been a bad week for *everyone*
[22:59] <Seveas> Seeker`, it's been too good
[22:59] <Seeker`> and that is a hell-week?
[22:59] <ompaul> so I went home logged into my "play machine" in work a freebsd box (don't ask) and was messing with it when at 9.03 my phone rang - it was the HR director
[22:59] <Seveas> Seeker`, yes :)
[23:00] <ompaul> that was 21:03 for some of you
[23:00]  * Seeker` is confuddled
[23:00] <ompaul> Seeker`, getting those deadlines may hurt
[23:00] <Seeker`> ompaul: not all of my work has to be done by then
[23:01] <Seeker`> ompaul: Just the maths and the literature review for my final year project
[23:01] <Seeker`> ompaul: the rest is after christmas
[23:01] <Seeker`> ompaul: what did the HR director want?
[23:02] <Seveas> ompaul, hey at least you weren't debugging hylafax problems as 1:30 (no, that's not 13:30)
[23:05] <Seeker`> Seveas: Will you let me know if you end up looking for new graduates to employ? :)
[23:06] <Seveas> Seeker`, I'll probably forget :)
[23:06] <Seeker`> heh, fair enough :)
[23:06] <Gary> night all :-)
[23:06] <Seeker`> night Gary
[23:09] <Seeker`> its gone all quiet :(
[23:09] <Seveas> sssh
[23:10]  * Seeker` needs to do more work on mootbot too
[23:10] <effie_jayx> Seeker`,  you lost the silent game
[23:10] <Seeker`> :(
[23:10]  * Seeker` wonders if he should try to convince the CC to use mootbot
[23:11] <ikonia> ahh the mighty mootbot
[23:11] <jdong> hmm I need to buy myself an expensive geeky toy to cheer me up... any suggestions?
[23:11] <ikonia> ipod touch
[23:11] <Seeker`> jdong: PS3?
[23:11] <jdong> ikonia: got one </shamefully>
[23:11] <Seeker`> :O
[23:11] <jdong> Seeker`: HAH!
[23:11] <Seeker`> jdong: put linux on it
[23:12] <jdong> Seeker`: why do I want a RAM-anemic Linux box? I've got 3 of those
[23:12] <Seeker`> you can never have enough linux boxes
[23:12] <Seeker`> and you said it needed to be expensive
[23:12] <Seeker`> jdong: You could make a myth-tv setup
[23:12] <jdong> Seeker`: I'd like one with more than 512MB RAM ;-)
[23:12] <Seveas> jdong, http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/
[23:12] <Seeker`> make a backend with a few TB of hard drive space, and 4 digital tuners
[23:12] <jdong> Seveas: haha :)
[23:13] <ikonia> Seeker`: already done it
[23:13] <Seeker`> and then a few mini/nano-itx frontends
[23:13] <ikonia> Seeker`: my box in the loft has 4 TV cards and 3.2 TB of space
[23:13]  * Seeker` would make a myth server if he could get freeview
[23:13] <Seveas> jdong, hey, it's expensive and geeky :)
[23:14] <Seeker`> ikonia: whats the freeview like on your side of BatH?
[23:14] <ikonia> amazing
[23:14] <jdong> Seveas: so am I :)
[23:14] <Seeker`> thats not fair :P
[23:14] <ikonia> I had to have the signal toned down as it was flooding the inputs
[23:14] <Seeker`> :O
[23:14] <Seeker`> I cant get anything here
[23:14] <Seeker`> although I suspect that the aerial socket in my room is actually connected to the satellite dish
[23:36] <jussi01> Hmmm, whats everyones thoughts on the username "fart"?
[23:37] <jdong> immature, but not offensible
[23:37] <jussi01> jdong: I had similar thoughts...
[23:37] <jussi01> He is not really saying anything... so all good for now...
[23:39] <Seeker`> jussi01: It doesn't suit you
[23:40] <jussi01> Seeker`: HAHAHAHAH... nice
[23:49] <elkbuntu> well... they could be calling themselves old and wrinkly
[23:51] <jussi01> elkbuntu: hehe, yeah, that is true also...
[23:51] <mneptok> or saying they smell of eggs, sulfur, and the grave
[23:53] <elkbuntu> lol