[00:00] <kirika> nantax, icewm is ok but i would suggest enlightenment
[00:00] <nantax> well i would if i could
[00:00] <kirika> its very fast
[00:00] <nantax> but i cant use the synaptic
[00:00] <nantax> im geetting that malformed release file
[00:00] <kirika> apt-get install enlightenment
[00:00] <nantax> same happens when i use the main server instead of the ph one
[00:00] <kirika> or apt-gt install icewm
[00:01] <nantax> let me try
[00:01] <kirika> get*
[00:02] <nantax> Reading package lists... Done
[00:02] <nantax> Building dependency tree
[00:02] <nantax> Reading state information... Done
[00:02] <nantax> E: Couldn't find package icewm
[00:02] <nantax> nantax@xubuntu:~$
[00:03] <crimsun>      1.2.32-2ubuntu1 0
[00:03] <crimsun>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Packages
[00:03] <crimsun> you seem to have the universe component disabled.
[00:04] <kirika> that may be
[00:04] <zoredache> !pastebin
[00:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[00:05] <somerville32> kirika, That was too small to waste putting in a pastebin :P
[00:06] <nantax> okay let me check on that universe thingie
[00:06] <kirika> huh
[00:06] <kirika> what did i do
[00:07] <nantax> damn
[00:07] <nantax> when every i try to update the package list, i get those same error
[00:07] <evil_tech> if i dont return soon the alpha build killed my comp
[00:07] <zoredache> nantax: try using a different set of repositories
[00:08] <nantax> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/Release: Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[00:08] <nantax> im using the main server now
[00:08] <nantax> instead of the philippine one
[00:09] <nantax> *must resist temptation to boot windows*
[00:09] <HeadLong87632> don't do it!
[00:09] <HeadLong87632> stay the course man!
[00:09] <nantax> well i cant install anything
[00:09] <nantax> lol
[00:09] <nantax> is there a way to fix synaptic
[00:14] <somerville32> hmm
[00:14] <HeadLong87632> ask the magic eightball?
[00:15] <somerville32> !easysource | nantax
[00:15] <ubotu> nantax: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[00:15] <somerville32> Or take a visit to applications > system > software sources
[00:55] <evil_tech> i have returned!!
[00:56] <evil_tech> via 8.04 mwhahahaha
[00:56]  * totalwormage hides
[00:57] <evil_tech> sommerville32: so what do i need to do now?
[00:57] <evil_tech> sommerville32: and why do i have this ugly AMD logo that says Testing Use only Unsupported Hardware
[01:02] <somerville32> lmao
[01:02] <somerville32> Ok, you need to do the testing
[01:03] <evil_tech> is it in the menu somewhere?
[01:03] <somerville32> One sec
[01:03] <evil_tech> ok
[01:05] <somerville32> See https://iso.qa.stgraber.org evil_tech
[01:05] <evil_tech> ok
[01:12] <evil_tech> hmm my md5sum doesnt match
[01:14] <somerville32> md5sum for what?
[01:15] <evil_tech> the cd image
[01:15] <somerville32> Come to #xubuntu-devel
[01:15] <evil_tech> ok
[01:18] <annihilus> Hello, i am having a problem installing tzdata, its telling me subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
[01:19] <annihilus> does anyone have any ideas or experience with this, google has proved unfruitful
[01:54] <evil_tech> well i didnt hose my normal xubuntu partition
[02:00] <somerville32> :)
[02:38] <nantax> thanks obuto
[02:38] <nantax> your tip on rebuilding the source.lst worked perfectly
[02:38] <nantax> it may be kinda late but thanks nonetheless, im here at work and had to go fix some windows pc that is missing the start menu. lol
[02:40] <somerville32> :)
[02:45] <nantax> okay im going to try some new window manager
[02:45] <nantax> which is better icewm or enlightenment?
[02:46] <ere4si> I think icewm
[02:46] <nantax> i tried fluxbox but it was kinda weird
[02:47] <ere4si> lots of screenshots for icewm on puppylinux website
[02:47] <nantax> okay im downloading it now
[02:47] <nantax> it just dawned on me
[02:48] <nantax> that microsoft is really after the money because of all the blind side that they have with windows, even the facial
[02:48] <nantax> why would you have to pay for softwares like tuneup ulitilies or windowblinds just to jazz up your desktop
[02:49] <ere4si> need to with macs as well
[02:49] <nantax> it should be in the users hand and we should not pay for those stuff
[02:49] <nantax> im not familiar with macs
[02:49] <ere4si> that's why open source happened :)
[02:51] <nantax> lol
[02:52] <nantax> i never appreciated buntus before because i just had the installer but no net connection
[02:52] <nantax> now its so much easier, specially with the support of the community
[02:52] <ere4si> 20000+ apps online for free :)
[02:53] <somerville32> :)
[02:53] <nantax> okay going to try out the ice ice thingie
[02:53] <nantax> brb
[02:56] <nantax> okay using icewm now
[02:56] <ere4si> it's ok?
[02:57] <nantax> win95 for the win lol
[02:57] <soldats> nantax, fluxbox is cool and so is icewm but in my opinion enlightenment is superior only because i think it looks nicer and is easier to use
[02:57] <nantax> yup
[02:57] <nantax> i think im going to try enlightenment
[02:57] <ere4si> lots of themes you can use
[02:57] <soldats> yea
[02:57] <ere4si> in icewm
[02:57] <soldats> there are really cool themes as well you can download
[02:58] <soldats> in enlightenment
[02:58] <nantax> fluxbox feels so think
[02:58] <nantax> thin*
[02:58] <nantax> icewm is too boxy
[02:58] <soldats> yea its very minimalistic
[02:58] <nantax> xfce i like but i want to try some new stuff
[02:58] <ere4si> the default isn't always the best - try some themes first
[02:59] <nantax> i am trying them now
[02:59] <soldats> i usually switch between xfce and e17 a few times a week
[02:59] <nantax> i like icewm but i dont like the font, its too big
[02:59] <nantax> i want thin fonts, where to i set them?
[02:59] <soldats> there should be a font config setting
[03:00] <ere4si> global fonts?
[03:00] <soldats> i only used ice fror like literally 1 minute
[03:00] <nantax> the fonts on the menu
[03:00] <nantax> it looks like big fixedsys.fon
[03:00] <nantax> in windows
[03:00] <soldats> you usually have to configure the settings yourself
[03:00] <nantax> so where can i select the fonts?
[03:01] <soldats> id suggest the icewm homepage for specific help on the subject
[03:01] <nantax> okay
[03:01] <nantax> im just going to fool around here
[03:01] <soldats> not to be a jerk or anything
[03:01] <nantax> no im not a jerk
[03:01] <nantax> lol
[03:02] <nantax> i dont even post much, i have made some progress in xubuntu and i only made 3 posts in ubuntuforums
[03:02] <ere4si> well done :)
[03:03] <ere4si> try the icewm homepage - screenshots - themes - configs etc
[03:03] <soldats> oops
[03:03] <nantax> what is the command for synaptic i cant find synaptic in icewm
[03:03] <nantax> so i dont have to go back to xfce
[03:04] <nantax> and where are programs stored?
[03:04] <soldats> try gksudo synaptic
[03:04] <nantax> like firefox and pidgin
[03:04] <nantax> so if i want to make a launcher, i can point to the file
[03:04] <soldats> there all in the same path directories but the desktop layout is different
[03:04] <nantax> yep, but where do you find them?
[03:04] <nantax> like in windows, most of the programs are in c:/program files
[03:05] <nantax> where to downloaded programs go in *buntus?
[03:05] <soldats> its the same as xfce just use the file manager
[03:05] <nantax> uhuh, so where do i go from there?
[03:05] <nantax> i mean what is the path?
[03:05] <soldats> /usr/share
[03:05] <nantax> ah gotcha
[03:06] <soldats> or .<application>
[03:06] <soldats> in icewm you can still open a file manager
[03:06] <nantax> and what is that command in xterm that allows you to launch programs and return to the commandline
[03:06] <nantax> like if you type firefox or pidgin and you can type another command
[03:07] <nantax> lol
[03:07] <nantax> i tried ctrl+c in the xterm i ran pidgin from
[03:07] <nantax> and the window closed
[03:07] <nantax> cant find pidgin in the menu yet so im using the terminal
[03:08] <nantax> i think you need to type somethng before a command to run the program and return to the command prompt
[03:08] <nantax> but i dont know what it is
[03:08] <ere4si> i think it is %u
[03:08] <nantax> so its %u pidgin?
[03:09] <ere4si> i think
[03:09] <nantax> and i go back to the command prompt?
[03:09] <nantax> brb
[03:10] <nantax> nantax@xubuntu:~$ %pidgin
[03:10] <nantax> nantax@xubuntu:~$ %pidgin
[03:10] <nantax> nantax@xubuntu:~$ %pidgin
[03:10] <nantax> -bash: fg: %pidgin: no such job
[03:10] <nantax> lol
[03:11] <somerville32> ctrl+c kills it
[03:11] <nantax> yep
[03:11] <nantax> i think there something that you can do so it will return to the prompt
[03:11] <nantax> ive seen my geeky instructor do it before
[03:11] <soldats> just do pidgin &
[03:11] <nantax> okay brb again
[03:11] <soldats> "pidgin &"
[03:12] <nantax> cool, it works
[03:12] <nantax> i need to read more on this command line stuff
[03:13] <nantax> theres that bg and fg thing and kill something to kill some task
[03:13] <ere4si> nantax: know about workspaces?
[03:13] <nantax> i forgot all about them
[03:13] <nantax> [1][2][3][4]
[03:13] <nantax> but i only use 2
[03:13] <ere4si> hehe :)
[03:14] <nantax> im still not weaned from windows
[03:14] <soldats> to kill preocesses you use the "kill" command
[03:14] <nantax> but you need some number id for the process that is running right?
[03:14] <ere4si> !kill
[03:14] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[03:15] <soldats> ok well do "pgrep 'app name' "
[03:15] <ere4si> !pid
[03:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pid - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:15] <nantax> and he showed us some commands that has grep to limit the list
[03:15] <soldats> then that gives you the process number
[03:15] <nantax> i never actually paid attention to him
[03:15] <nantax> but i am realizing that its very useful now
[03:16] <nantax> specially if your installing window managers and it does not have the menus setup yet
[03:16] <soldats> in terminal run "top" to do a text system monitor
[03:16] <soldats> to get number ids
[03:16] <soldats> as well
[03:16] <nantax> ah yeah
[03:16] <nantax> top is like task manager in windows right?
[03:17] <soldats> yea but linux has a graphic system monitor as well but in terminal it is faster
[03:17] <nantax> and sorts by cpu usage
[03:17] <nantax> and i think i can press ctrl+z to leave that process
[03:17] <nantax> if i can recall it correctly lol
[03:18] <nantax> [4]+  Stopped                 top
[03:18] <nantax> [4] means 4 running process?
[03:18] <nantax> lol
[03:18] <nantax> anyway i will learn them in time
[03:18] <soldats> be more specific
[03:18] <nantax> i pressed top, then ctrl + z
[03:18] <nantax> then top again then ctrl+z
[03:19] <nantax> [3]+
[03:19] <nantax> [4]+
[03:19] <nantax> i will try elightenement now
[03:19] <ere4si> here's an icewm howto - http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/icewm
[03:19] <somerville32> fg <process number>
[03:19] <nantax> going back to xfce because i cant find synaptic
[03:19] <nantax> brb
[03:20] <soldats> in terminal do synaptic
[03:20] <nantax> ah sweet xfce :)
[03:21] <nantax> with bliss.bmp from win xp
[03:21] <soldats> if you need synaptic type it in a terminal
[03:21] <nantax> background
[03:21] <nantax> just sudo synaptic right?
[03:21] <soldats> yea
[03:21] <nantax> okay will do
[03:22] <soldats> also do a google search for "learn linux" and read tutorials
[03:22] <soldats> it will help greatly
[03:22] <nantax> i will...
[03:22] <nantax> yep, i bet it will
[03:22] <nantax> thats why im trying out the different window managers
[03:22] <nantax> so when i find one, i can start learning more
[03:22] <nantax> and that is definitely the first thing i want to learn
[03:22] <nantax> the command line
[03:23] <nantax> lol, actually the things that my instructor taught us now makes sense
[03:23] <nantax> learning linux empowers you, learning windows doesnt because it limits you with your choice
[03:24] <somerville32> :)
[03:24]  * somerville32 hugs nantax 
[03:24] <soldats> very true
[03:24] <nantax> he is a linux preacher... trying to convert the class to try ubuntu, he even gave us cds
[03:24] <nantax> but i think only 2 or 3 of us actually tried it
[03:24] <soldats> ubuntu is a very good "starter" linux OS
[03:24] <nantax> god bless his soul where ever he is now
[03:25] <nantax> indeed
[03:25] <soldats> it is also good for pros as well
[03:25] <nantax> i realized that before when i tried to install it at home
[03:25] <nantax> problem is i had no net connection
[03:25] <soldats> its just that you need to be a lot more experienced to use different distros like gentoo
[03:25] <nantax> so i was not able to experience the free software fully
[03:26] <nantax> now what its connected to the net, it totally blows windows
[03:26] <nantax> our company spent a fortune buying 86 licensed copy of xp
[03:26] <soldats> ha
[03:26] <soldats> its a shame
[03:26] <nantax> now they are requesting for quotation for office xp 2003/2007
[03:26] <soldats> if only people were aware of how well it is becoming developed
[03:27] <nantax> yeah
[03:27] <soldats> at least they arent wanting vista
[03:27] <nantax> all that money could be used to upgrade the hardware
[03:27] <soldats> true
[03:27] <nantax> well the pc here is below minimun
[03:27] <nantax> below minimum standard so they really cant afford to upgrade
[03:28] <nantax> this is a sugar milling industry
[03:28] <nantax> so they have old programs (foxpro)
[03:28] <soldats> talk about shit i have a 1 gig processor and 256 mb of ram
[03:28] <nantax> just like mine
[03:28] <soldats> but in linux its still fast
[03:28] <nantax> i salvaged this pc from the junk heap
[03:28] <soldats> nice thats the best way obtain stuff
[03:29] <nantax> its still has the pencil mark defective mmother board, checked 6/25/2007
[03:29] <soldats> lol
[03:29] <nantax> managed to make it run,
[03:29] <soldats> well good job on that
[03:29] <nantax> amazing what pencil eraser can do to clean memory and video card contact
[03:30] <soldats> crazy
[03:30] <nantax> i am a casual worker in the mis/edp dpt
[03:30] <nantax> i format windows pc everyday
[03:30] <soldats> sorry i have no clue what that is
[03:30] <soldats> oh ok
[03:30] <nantax> because of all the junks they managed to put in the pc
[03:30] <soldats> haha
[03:30] <nantax> usually from the factory and engineering department
[03:30] <nantax> they like porn
[03:30] <soldats> figures
[03:30] <nantax> trojan likes porn too
[03:31] <nantax> using linux takes time to get accustomed
[03:32] <nantax> im still trying to get the hang of not having to defrag your disk
[03:32] <nantax> scan for spywares/virus
[03:32] <nantax> scan for junk registry entries
[03:32] <nantax> and stuff
[03:33] <soldats> yea its alot easier
[03:34] <soldats> well im glad youve entered into the linux community and are willing to learn
[03:35] <nantax> better than playing games
[03:35] <totalwormage> :P
[03:35] <nantax> although thats why i have win xp still at home
[03:36] <nantax> need for speed most wanted, maple story and guilty gear xx #reloaded
[03:36] <soldats> if you have a fast machine you can run a win emulator and still play games
[03:36] <nantax> and devil may cry 3 se, but other than that im all xubuntu
[03:37] <nantax> linux = peace of mind
[03:39] <nantax> okay for some strange reason, my screensaver now works
[03:40] <soldats> really???
[03:40] <nantax> i went out for a while and when i came back its working now
[03:40] <nantax> yep after installing icewm
[03:40] <soldats> mine never worked but i hate screen saver
[03:40] <nantax> i was downloading enlightenment and went out for a while
[03:40] <soldats> well thats cool it works
[03:40] <nantax> when i came back, lo and behold, the 3d accelerated restricted driver screensaver is showing
[03:41] <soldats> rad
[03:41] <nantax> i need to steal some pci video card here
[03:41] <nantax> but its all agp and pciex
[03:42] <nantax> brb going to try enlightenment
[03:42] <soldats> why steal maybe just ask for it
[03:46] <nantax> wow!!!! 1 <3 enlightenment
[03:46] <soldats> cool
[03:47] <soldats> make sure to middle click and click on the help selection
[03:47] <nantax> hahaha
[03:47] <nantax> i dont have middle click
[03:47] <nantax> my mouse has only 2 buttons
[03:47] <soldats> there is a lot of helpful hints there
[03:47] <soldats> oh well try right click
[03:47] <nantax> ah yeah , just found out
[03:47] <nantax> wow this is very nice indeed
[03:48] <soldats> it tell you how to do backrounds and such
[03:48] <soldats> and a lot of info on the icon box
[03:48] <nantax> okay now i need to change the font for pidgin and make it smaller
[03:48] <nantax> so it will go well with the enlightenment theme
[03:49] <soldats> not to be mean but id suggest sticking with what wm you prefer and playing around with it till you become comfortable with it
[03:49] <soldats> most fonts can be configured within the program itself
[03:50] <nantax> are you using pidgin?
[03:50] <soldats> i use pidgin for my aim account but i use xchat for irc
[03:52] <nantax> okay when i minimize applications where does it go?
[03:52] <soldats> to an icon box
[03:52] <nantax> in enlightenemtn
[03:53] <nantax> ah there
[03:53] <nantax> nice flipping animation
[03:53] <nantax> lol
[03:53] <soldats> you can configure it to use the app icons as well
[03:53] <nantax> the switching desktop is cool too
[03:54] <soldats> make sure to read the help section because it explain a lot of reall cool things you can do
[03:55] <nantax> okay im doing that
[03:56] <nantax> how do i open it again in case i close it?
[04:01] <soldats> open what
[04:02] <soldats> if your talking about the help box just minimize it
[04:04] <soldats> ?
[04:07] <soldats> hello
[07:14] <NullName> Hey you guys. I want to buy a Samsung 225bw 22' widescreen LCD MONITOR.  I can't find anything anywhere saying if it will work with linux.  ANy ideas???
[07:15] <TheSheep> NullName: why wouldn't it work?
[07:15] <TheSheep> NullName: you don't need any drivers or anything for a *monitor*
[07:27] <NullName> well it comes with a driver CD..which scared me.. I'd never had a problem with monitors in linux...just graphic cards.  I have an old nvidia.
[07:27] <NullName> I thought maybe LCD monitors were different
[07:27] <NullName> its new and I've only dealt with older monitors
[07:35] <TheSheep> NullName: the driver cd will only contain LCC color definitions, for when you want to have printer-perfect colors
[07:35] <TheSheep> NullName: and maybe monitor parameters for windows
[11:00] <pubo> Hi all
[11:03] <pubo> I have a problem mounting devices... I have an USB HDD, and when I plug it, xubuntu recognices it and mount it, but if I do a reboot, I have to unplug and plug in again to have an automatic mounting, or I have to do an "mount -a"
[11:03] <pubo> can anybody help me?
[11:05] <pubo> everybody is sleeping :S
[11:06] <totalwormage> hm
[11:06] <totalwormage> you could add it to your fstab
[11:07] <totalwormage> i don't know if that's the right way, but it will work
[11:08] <pubo> totalwormage, I've tried to make a rule in /etc/udev/rules.d, I've add it to fstab, but nothing :S
[11:08] <pubo> is very strange, becouse in debian, without X, everything works perfectly
[11:08] <ablomen> pubo, you added the auto flag? in fstab
[11:08] <totalwormage> ^^
[11:09] <totalwormage> otherwise read up about fstab here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283131&highlight=fstab+howto
[11:09] <pubo> ablomen, yes, I added it...
[11:09] <ablomen> hmm ok
[11:10] <pubo> can I paste here my udev rule and fstab line?
[11:10] <pubo> pastebin better?
[11:10] <ablomen> pastebin :)
[11:11] <Marcusklaas> Hey question!
[11:12] <ablomen> btw, still dont get why people write those super-detailed howto's and then post it on a forum, thats what wiki's are for
[11:12] <Marcusklaas> I'm on ubuntu atm, when I install Xfce, will that put me on Xubuntu?
[11:12] <ablomen> Marcusklaas, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop :)
[11:12] <ablomen> that will put all the default xubuntu stuff on there
[11:12] <Marcusklaas> Okay cool
[11:12] <pubo> http://pastebin.com/m285c1f44
[11:13] <Marcusklaas> But then i also got the gnome apps .. will that make my pc slower than a clean install of xubuntu?
[11:13] <ablomen> well you can shut the services down and remove the apps you dont need
[11:15] <Marcusklaas> yea tru but what i hate about ubuntu is that a lot of applications are part of a package so you can't just delete them .. and the package manager is crazy .. liek 1000s of them in there -_-
[11:15] <Marcusklaas> but i get it
[11:15] <Marcusklaas> thanks ablomen
[11:15] <ablomen> np, good luck
[11:15] <ablomen> oh and, you can also just apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop afterwards
[11:17] <pubo> ablomen, have you seen my configuration? is there any error?
[11:17] <ablomen> well for one, i dont think you need a uid and gid in there, or is it needed for ntfs3g?
[11:18] <pubo> uhm, don't know... :)
[11:19] <ablomen> anyway, cant say anything about the udev rule (never did anything with that) but i think its either because of the weird dev name or something fishy with ntfs-3g, if thats not it, dunno
[11:20] <pubo> but If I remove the rule in udev, and the line in fstab... stills don't mounting the drive until I unplug and plug it again :'(
[11:20] <pubo> still? (I'm spanish xD)
[11:22] <ablomen> hmm well sorry i cant help ya there, try filing a bug :)
[11:24] <pubo> oh :(, well... thank you! :)
[11:24] <ablomen> hehe np, good luck
[11:53] <pubo> ablomen, are you there?
[11:53] <ablomen> yep
[11:54] <pubo> My problem (USB mounting)... The problem is with every device y plug in the USB ports... Keyboards, Mouse, etc...
[11:54] <ablomen> hmm thats weird
[11:54] <pubo> I mean...
[11:55] <pubo> I've plugged an USB-Mouse... It recognices and works perfectly... but when I reboot... the same... I have to unplug and plug-it again
[11:55] <ablomen> thats really not good, i think you messed something up, or have a really bad bug
[11:56] <pubo> maybe I uninstalled something important... but hal and udev is here
[12:28] <pubo> anybody here? :)
[12:30] <pubo> I have one more problem. This time with xfce volume applet... I don't know what happened... sound works allright, volume mixer too, but when I add a volume manager in the panel, It doesn't show...
[12:50] <bgergo94> hi
[12:51] <bgergo94> i have this computer : 660 Mhz Celeron processor, 128 MB RAM, 100 GB HDD
[12:51] <bgergo94> Does the Xubuntu works on it?
[12:52] <XwarlokX82> bgergo94, it should..xubuntu is ideal for systems like that.
[12:52] <ere4si> the livecd will be slow but once installed it will be ok
[12:53] <XwarlokX82> yup
[12:53] <ere4si> there is also fluxbuntu
[12:55] <bgergo94> Does Xubuntu have Hungarian version?
[13:20] <ere4si> !hu
[13:20] <ubotu> Magyar nyelvű segítséget az #ubuntu-hu csatornán talál
[13:23] <Norgur> hi
[14:11] <bgergo94> how can i install xubuntu without burn it on cd?
[14:21] <bgergo94> hm?
[14:36] <Dieterbe> hi, to enable sending/receiving files/images to/from my sony ericsson cellphone, do i just i just have to install bluez? i
[14:36] <Dieterbe> actually already installed the "bluetooth" package which pulled in bluez, but i would like an icon that shows the bluetooth status, that lets me en/disable the bluetooth device, and notifies me of incoming file transfers.  how should i do this? i'm guessing gnome-bluetooth is what i want, but i don't know if it will work on xubuntu and/or do what i want
[14:46] <jarnos> Hi, in Xubuntu 7.10 I can set autostarted applications at Settings > Autostarted Applications. I can check, uncheck, remove and add applications, but I can not see what the actual command is. By which command do you start e.g Print Queue Applet and would it work with IceWM?
[14:47] <jarnos> which is another window manager.
[14:54] <aussieman__> anyone help me with googleerarth? i wont find graphics card since upgrade 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[14:55] <aussieman__> ie from fiesty to gutsy
[17:11] <Ahmuck> is it me, or does xubuntu hang sometimes?
[17:12] <somerville32> Ahmuck, I don't have that happen to me
[17:12] <Ahmuck> update manager has been hung for about 45 minutes
[17:13] <Ahmuck> i get other programs that do the same, i'v been shutting them down via ctl-alt-esc + left mouse button
[17:14] <somerville32> Ahmuck, file bugs with tracebacks :)
[17:14] <Ahmuck> eh, somebody else will i suppose
[17:15] <Ahmuck> !bugs
[17:15] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[17:16] <Ahmuck> so are there instructions telling me how to get a traceback?  i normally just do strace, problem is it's so random.  /me thinks i should test my memory
[18:39] <stone[no]> How do you access samba shares in xubuntu? (smbmount is not present, though the samba packages are installed)
[18:40] <stone[no]> There are som guides online, but some report failures...
[18:47] <zoredache> install the smbfs package
[18:48] <zoredache> you don't need the main 'samba' package
[18:48] <stone[no]> zoredache: Thanx, I will try that.
[18:50] <Ahmuck> has anybody tried xubuntu ltsp?
[18:51] <Ahmuck> i have been unable to get a successful install
[18:53] <stone[no]> Hmm, anyone searching for samba, in eg synaptic, will not find smbfs. It's not mentioned in the description....
[18:54] <zoredache> hrm... generally don't use synaptic and do everything from the cli...   try an sudo apt-get install smbfs
[18:57] <zoredache> sorry I made a typeo that completely changed the meaning....  *I* generally don't use synaptic and do everything from the cli... please use whatever tools you are comfortable with.
[18:58] <Ahmuck> er, sudo aptitude install smbfs
[18:58] <ere4si> synaptic has a search button - click that and type samba
[18:58] <stone[no]> Hehe, I prefer both. GUI for searched and cli for all other. I found it, when searching for "smb", I reckoned all packages regarding samba would
[18:59] <stone[no]> I found the package when searching for "smb". I didn't remember that smb is also commonly used to describe samba packages.
[19:00] <stone[no]> I searched for "samba" previously.
[19:04] <zention> having troubles getting an old soundcard to work on a system (au8810).
[19:04] <zention> the modules load for the card - but alsa does not see it
[19:05] <zention> /dev/snd seems a little sparsely populated with only seq and timer
[19:06] <zention> dmesg gives : au8810: probe of 0000:00:0c.0 failed with error -16
[19:07] <zention> I am thinking it could be a bios thing
[19:08] <stone[no]> zention: I'm no expert on these things, but can an onboard sound system conflict with your audio card?
[19:09] <zention> the mb is quite old on the system I doubt there is onboard sound
[19:09] <zention> it could be an irq thing though
[19:09] <zention> the system is an old one of mine I have given to a friend
[19:10] <zention> and that soundcard was always a pig to get working - nearly every other alsa or kernel release it would work or not work
[19:11] <zention> which makes me think that it is an irq problem
[19:11] <zention> in the past I would just change alsa version or kernel version
[19:11] <zention> but I don't really want to admin this machine much
[19:12] <stone[no]> zention: I think I read somewhere that you could configure/ pass IRQ info to a card on boot (via grub)...
[19:12] <zention> yeah that might be an idea
[19:13] <zention> ubuntu stores module config in /etc/modprobe.d/?
[19:14] <zention> the alsa-base file looks a bit generic unfortunately I have nerfed my custom one
[19:14] <zention> I suspect I can get a solution there as well
[19:15] <zention> I will dig around the alsa site I think it is all beginning to floodback to me on how to get that card working
[19:16] <zention> removing alsaconf I must admit was not a great move
[19:17] <stone[no]> no backup?
[19:17] <zention> I wiped the system for xubuntu
[19:18] <zention> got the user data files
[19:18] <stone[no]> ohh, ok.
[19:18] <zention> I had that twinge but the system was running gentoo from a few years back
[19:19] <zention> so I thought hey I want need any of the conf
[19:25] <zention> is there a ubunutu page dealing with alsa?
[19:29] <zention> what confuses me a little is that lsmod shows snd-au8810 installed but each rmmod snd-au8810 and modprobe snd-au8810 results in an error -16
[19:30] <zention> and snd_au8810 still sits in lsmod
[19:32] <zoredache> you can't rmmod something if some process is using it
[19:32] <zention> yeah nothing was using it
[19:32] <zention> rmmod works and it will go
[19:33] <zention> but modprobe errors and still the module gets loaded
[19:33] <stone[no]> zention: Are there no modules using snd-8810?
[19:34] <zention> yeah there are lot associated they all go when rmmod snd-au8810 completes
[19:34] <zention> and they all come back when modprobe snd-au8810 is run
[19:34] <zention> but the modprobe snd-au8810 errors -16 to the kernel
[19:35] <zention> and no soundcard is found
[19:37] <stone[no]> I don't know if this link will help: http://www.linuxsound.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-au8810
[19:37] <zention> thanks
[19:37] <zention> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-au8810
[19:38] <zention> I was looking at that one, I think they are the same :)
[19:38] <zention> I am going to check the BIOS
[19:50] <zention> hmm still no joy
[19:53] <DM|> why no joy?
[20:00] <zention> DMI: still no sound
[20:07] <zention> hmm now I am wondering if it is acpi related
[20:07] <zention> I added noapci to the kernel line in grub
[20:07] <zention> but acpi is still running
[20:22] <thingummywut> hi. why does xubuntu log me out when i've been AFK for ~15 minutes?
[20:31] <stone[no]> thingummywut: Screen saver crash? Try disable screen saver...
[20:32] <thingummywut> that is well possible. any info why it crashes?
[20:33] <stone[no]> thingummywut: Just a hunch ;-)
[20:35] <thingummywut> care to share?
[20:35] <thingummywut> is it fixable maybe?
[20:36] <thingummywut> also, the log-in screen is weird. it's too tall for my monitor, width is ok
[20:38] <stone[no]> I assume you are logged out after 15 min of inactivity. 15 min seems like a "generic" screen saver timer.
[20:38] <stone[no]> First, to check this theory: Disable screensaver and se if that fixes the issue.
[20:38] <stone[no]> Second: If it's the screesaver, find out which screensaver is giving you trouble.
[20:38] <thingummywut> yes. disabling works
[20:39] <stone[no]> try change the screensaver.
[20:39] <stone[no]> It could be related to your misconfigured x11 conf file (wrong screen resolution)
[20:40] <thingummywut> i've poked it a lot
[20:40] <thingummywut> and got it working somehow. before that the things were way worse
[20:43] <stone[no]> try to play with "Screens and graphics" on the settings menu.
[20:45] <thingummywut> yeah, i did. weird thing is that as i have all my settings right..
[20:45] <thingummywut> the screen is still too "tall"
[20:45] <thingummywut> but when i switch from 75 Hz to 60 Hz from Screens and Graphics, it ends up fine
[20:45] <thingummywut> and every time i log in, it "re-loads" the 60 Hz setting making things work
[20:46] <thingummywut> and even if i set it up to 60 Hz initially, the problem remains. it is solved bu switching to 75 Hz
[20:48] <stone[no]> Have you "hand"-edited the x11 conf file?
[20:48] <thingummywut> yup
[20:48] <thingummywut> it had all resolutions my monitor couldn't handle by default
[20:49] <stone[no]> I guess a heavily modified x11 conf file can be difficult for the x11 server to understand. maybe you can start from scratch. Is there a command line x11 conf utility?
[20:50] <stone[no]> but take a backup of your working conf file first! :)
[20:50] <thingummywut> yup, but it reconfigures it as it was by default
[20:51] <thingummywut> as if xubuntu doesn't recognize my screen correctly
[20:53] <stone[no]> you can edit the conf file, start with only 800x600. And work your way upward until your happy. Your pc is a desktop?
[20:54] <stone[no]> alt+ctrl+Fn: edit x11 conf file. alt+ctrl+F7: ctrl+alt+backspace til restart x server.
[21:11] <thingummywut> yeh, i'm familiar with that
[21:11] <thingummywut> the settings should be fine now, yet it doesn't work properly
[21:19] <stone[no]> try to boot with another live distro, see if it's xubuntu related or hardware related.
[21:23] <thingummywut> i might, yeah
[22:18] <StevenSeagal> Hi to all
[22:19] <StevenSeagal> There is anyone that can help me?
[22:19] <StevenSeagal> I've a problem
[22:20] <StevenSeagal> with xubuntu installation
[22:20] <StevenSeagal> during this installation
[22:22] <StevenSeagal> the system ask me password
[22:22] <StevenSeagal> but i don't know waht
[22:22] <StevenSeagal> ;(
[22:25] <StevenSeagal> :P
[22:25] <StevenSeagal> :D
[22:25] <StevenSeagal> }:-)
[22:39] <Nisse> hey
[22:40] <Nisse> Nisseus
[22:42] <Nisseus> Hey
[23:10] <Nuked> anyone in here well versed in video encoding
[23:11] <Nuked> ?
[23:13] <soldats> do you mean how to encode files
[23:15] <Nuked> kind of.. I am encoding stuff using dvdrip and the likes. I get videos that start to play normally, then slow down then plays normally. This repeats throughout whatever it is that I encode
[23:16] <soldats> what program are you using to view videos
[23:16] <Nuked> vlc, kaffeine, totem...
[23:16] <Nuked> they all show the videos the same
[23:16] <soldats> is it slow in vlc??
[23:16] <Nuked> yep
[23:17] <soldats> man then im not sure that program is pretty fast in my perspective maybe you should try a new program to encode in
[23:17] <Nuked> it plays normal for five or six seconds, then slows down, then speeds up.. its the weirdest thing
[23:17] <soldats> have you tried a different encoding program
[23:18] <Nuked> soldats same results with other programs
[23:18] <Nuked> I thought it was a bum xvid... but I get similar results with other encoders as well
[23:18] <soldats> hmm sorry i was just thinking of a simple way since that happened to me a long time ago but im not faminliar with dvdrip
[23:19] <Nuked> soldats its everything I tried so far
[23:19] <Nuked> acidrip as well
[23:19] <Nuked> I have tried from .iso and from actual dvd
[23:19] <Nuked> same issue
[23:20] <soldats> have you tried looking at the dvdrip homepage for any bug reports and if there isnt any bug reports id suggest you send one
[23:20] <soldats> you should also rip them at the slowest speed possible to reduce lag
[23:21] <Nuked> I figured that would be a non issue if I did it from an ISO instead'
[23:23] <soldats> sorry im not well versed in ripping dvds and i didnt find anything valuable on google either
[23:24] <Nuked> soldats your effort is appreciated nonetheless
[23:24] <Nuked> thanks
[23:29] <soldats> Nuked, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DVD::Rip have you thought about reinstalling dvdrip
[23:30] <Nuked> soldats I have indeed, but I doubt that would fix the issue
[23:30] <Nuked> matter of fact, I think I have tried that already
[23:31] <soldats> damni wish i could help
[23:33] <Nuked> soldats man you have done more than enough, trust me
[23:33] <Nuked> most times I just get snowed in
[23:34] <Nuked> a simple cat .bash_history shows that I have indeed reinstalled dvd rip
[23:34] <soldats> if i had a dvd player and dvdrip im sure id be able to help more
[23:35] <Nuked> no dvd player?!
[23:35] <soldats> nope
[23:35] <Nuked> die hard ascii fan?
[23:36] <soldats> not really i normally just enjoy listening to music, i watch small videos but my dvd player is external and on my tv
[23:36] <soldats> my computer is way too slow to play anything over 25 minutes at high quality
[23:37] <Nuked> How old is the box that you are using?
[23:37] <zention> truns out the cards just needed mixing up and reseating
[23:38] <zention> so I will blame myself for that
[23:38] <zention> which mean xubuntu pretty much installed everything without a problem
[23:41] <soldats> Nuked, its about 5 or 6 years old its has 1 gig processor and 256mb or ram
[23:42] <soldats> its slow but with xubuntu its still runs nice and plays 25 min videos fine
[23:42] <Nuked> Its great to know that you can still use that box
[23:43] <soldats> yea if i ever can come up with some money ill be getting a new one or building one
[23:44] <Nuked> yeah, and you can install pfsense, smoothwall or monowall on that box and use it as a router
[23:45] <Nuked> or as an mp3 file server or something
[23:45] <soldats> yea it works for that which is cool
[23:45] <soldats> but since i do a lot of work with graphics id like to build a faster machine
[23:46] <Nuked> hell cluster it for the boost in render time
[23:50] <Nuked> now if only I could figure out how to convert the VIDEO_TS to an .ogm xvid 2000 kbps with ac3 copied from the dvd ID be set