[00:00] nantax, icewm is ok but i would suggest enlightenment [00:00] well i would if i could [00:00] its very fast [00:00] but i cant use the synaptic [00:00] im geetting that malformed release file [00:00] apt-get install enlightenment [00:00] same happens when i use the main server instead of the ph one [00:00] or apt-gt install icewm [00:01] let me try [00:01] get* [00:02] Reading package lists... Done [00:02] Building dependency tree [00:02] Reading state information... Done [00:02] E: Couldn't find package icewm [00:02] nantax@xubuntu:~$ [00:03] 1.2.32-2ubuntu1 0 [00:03] 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Packages [00:03] you seem to have the universe component disabled. [00:04] that may be [00:04] !pastebin [00:04] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [00:05] kirika, That was too small to waste putting in a pastebin :P [00:06] okay let me check on that universe thingie [00:06] huh [00:06] what did i do [00:07] damn [00:07] when every i try to update the package list, i get those same error [00:07] if i dont return soon the alpha build killed my comp [00:07] nantax: try using a different set of repositories [00:08] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/Release: Unable to find expected entry web/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) [00:08] im using the main server now [00:08] instead of the philippine one [00:09] *must resist temptation to boot windows* [00:09] don't do it! [00:09] stay the course man! [00:09] well i cant install anything [00:09] lol [00:09] is there a way to fix synaptic [00:14] hmm [00:14] ask the magic eightball? [00:15] !easysource | nantax [00:15] nantax: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic [00:15] Or take a visit to applications > system > software sources [00:55] i have returned!! [00:56] via 8.04 mwhahahaha [00:56] * totalwormage hides [00:57] sommerville32: so what do i need to do now? [00:57] sommerville32: and why do i have this ugly AMD logo that says Testing Use only Unsupported Hardware [01:02] lmao [01:02] Ok, you need to do the testing [01:03] is it in the menu somewhere? [01:03] One sec [01:03] ok === somerville32 changed the topic of #xubuntu to: Official Xubuntu Support Channel | FAQ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | Support options: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Xubuntu 7.10 Released: http://xubuntu.org/get | Please help testing the Alpha 1 images: https://iso.qa.stgraber.org [01:05] See https://iso.qa.stgraber.org evil_tech [01:05] ok === tuna-fish is now known as tuna [01:12] hmm my md5sum doesnt match [01:14] md5sum for what? [01:15] the cd image [01:15] Come to #xubuntu-devel [01:15] ok === tuna-fish is now known as tuna [01:18] Hello, i am having a problem installing tzdata, its telling me subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10 [01:19] does anyone have any ideas or experience with this, google has proved unfruitful === tuna-fish is now known as tuna [01:54] well i didnt hose my normal xubuntu partition [02:00] :) [02:38] thanks obuto [02:38] your tip on rebuilding the source.lst worked perfectly [02:38] it may be kinda late but thanks nonetheless, im here at work and had to go fix some windows pc that is missing the start menu. lol [02:40] :) [02:45] okay im going to try some new window manager [02:45] which is better icewm or enlightenment? [02:46] I think icewm [02:46] i tried fluxbox but it was kinda weird [02:47] lots of screenshots for icewm on puppylinux website [02:47] okay im downloading it now [02:47] it just dawned on me [02:48] that microsoft is really after the money because of all the blind side that they have with windows, even the facial [02:48] why would you have to pay for softwares like tuneup ulitilies or windowblinds just to jazz up your desktop [02:49] need to with macs as well [02:49] it should be in the users hand and we should not pay for those stuff [02:49] im not familiar with macs [02:49] that's why open source happened :) [02:51] lol [02:52] i never appreciated buntus before because i just had the installer but no net connection [02:52] now its so much easier, specially with the support of the community [02:52] 20000+ apps online for free :) [02:53] :) [02:53] okay going to try out the ice ice thingie [02:53] brb [02:56] okay using icewm now [02:56] it's ok? [02:57] win95 for the win lol [02:57] nantax, fluxbox is cool and so is icewm but in my opinion enlightenment is superior only because i think it looks nicer and is easier to use [02:57] yup [02:57] i think im going to try enlightenment [02:57] lots of themes you can use [02:57] yea [02:57] in icewm [02:57] there are really cool themes as well you can download [02:58] in enlightenment [02:58] fluxbox feels so think [02:58] thin* [02:58] icewm is too boxy [02:58] yea its very minimalistic [02:58] xfce i like but i want to try some new stuff [02:58] the default isn't always the best - try some themes first [02:59] i am trying them now [02:59] i usually switch between xfce and e17 a few times a week [02:59] i like icewm but i dont like the font, its too big [02:59] i want thin fonts, where to i set them? [02:59] there should be a font config setting [03:00] global fonts? [03:00] i only used ice fror like literally 1 minute [03:00] the fonts on the menu [03:00] it looks like big fixedsys.fon [03:00] in windows [03:00] you usually have to configure the settings yourself [03:00] so where can i select the fonts? [03:01] id suggest the icewm homepage for specific help on the subject [03:01] okay [03:01] im just going to fool around here [03:01] not to be a jerk or anything [03:01] no im not a jerk [03:01] lol [03:02] i dont even post much, i have made some progress in xubuntu and i only made 3 posts in ubuntuforums [03:02] well done :) [03:03] try the icewm homepage - screenshots - themes - configs etc [03:03] oops [03:03] what is the command for synaptic i cant find synaptic in icewm [03:03] so i dont have to go back to xfce [03:04] and where are programs stored? [03:04] try gksudo synaptic [03:04] like firefox and pidgin [03:04] so if i want to make a launcher, i can point to the file [03:04] there all in the same path directories but the desktop layout is different [03:04] yep, but where do you find them? [03:04] like in windows, most of the programs are in c:/program files [03:05] where to downloaded programs go in *buntus? [03:05] its the same as xfce just use the file manager [03:05] uhuh, so where do i go from there? [03:05] i mean what is the path? [03:05] /usr/share [03:05] ah gotcha [03:06] or . [03:06] in icewm you can still open a file manager [03:06] and what is that command in xterm that allows you to launch programs and return to the commandline [03:06] like if you type firefox or pidgin and you can type another command [03:07] lol [03:07] i tried ctrl+c in the xterm i ran pidgin from [03:07] and the window closed [03:07] cant find pidgin in the menu yet so im using the terminal [03:08] i think you need to type somethng before a command to run the program and return to the command prompt [03:08] but i dont know what it is [03:08] i think it is %u [03:08] so its %u pidgin? [03:09] i think [03:09] and i go back to the command prompt? [03:09] brb [03:10] nantax@xubuntu:~$ %pidgin [03:10] nantax@xubuntu:~$ %pidgin [03:10] nantax@xubuntu:~$ %pidgin [03:10] -bash: fg: %pidgin: no such job [03:10] lol [03:11] ctrl+c kills it [03:11] yep [03:11] i think there something that you can do so it will return to the prompt [03:11] ive seen my geeky instructor do it before [03:11] just do pidgin & [03:11] okay brb again [03:11] "pidgin &" [03:12] cool, it works [03:12] i need to read more on this command line stuff [03:13] theres that bg and fg thing and kill something to kill some task [03:13] nantax: know about workspaces? [03:13] i forgot all about them [03:13] [1][2][3][4] [03:13] but i only use 2 [03:13] hehe :) [03:14] im still not weaned from windows [03:14] to kill preocesses you use the "kill" command [03:14] but you need some number id for the process that is running right? [03:14] !kill [03:14] The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal [03:15] ok well do "pgrep 'app name' " [03:15] !pid [03:15] Sorry, I don't know anything about pid - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [03:15] and he showed us some commands that has grep to limit the list [03:15] then that gives you the process number [03:15] i never actually paid attention to him [03:15] but i am realizing that its very useful now [03:16] specially if your installing window managers and it does not have the menus setup yet [03:16] in terminal run "top" to do a text system monitor [03:16] to get number ids [03:16] as well [03:16] ah yeah [03:16] top is like task manager in windows right? [03:17] yea but linux has a graphic system monitor as well but in terminal it is faster [03:17] and sorts by cpu usage [03:17] and i think i can press ctrl+z to leave that process [03:17] if i can recall it correctly lol [03:18] [4]+ Stopped top [03:18] [4] means 4 running process? [03:18] lol [03:18] anyway i will learn them in time [03:18] be more specific [03:18] i pressed top, then ctrl + z [03:18] then top again then ctrl+z [03:19] [3]+ [03:19] [4]+ [03:19] i will try elightenement now [03:19] here's an icewm howto - http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/icewm [03:19] fg [03:19] going back to xfce because i cant find synaptic [03:19] brb [03:20] in terminal do synaptic [03:20] ah sweet xfce :) [03:21] with bliss.bmp from win xp [03:21] if you need synaptic type it in a terminal [03:21] background [03:21] just sudo synaptic right? [03:21] yea [03:21] okay will do [03:22] also do a google search for "learn linux" and read tutorials [03:22] it will help greatly [03:22] i will... [03:22] yep, i bet it will [03:22] thats why im trying out the different window managers [03:22] so when i find one, i can start learning more [03:22] and that is definitely the first thing i want to learn [03:22] the command line [03:23] lol, actually the things that my instructor taught us now makes sense [03:23] learning linux empowers you, learning windows doesnt because it limits you with your choice [03:24] :) [03:24] * somerville32 hugs nantax [03:24] very true [03:24] he is a linux preacher... trying to convert the class to try ubuntu, he even gave us cds [03:24] but i think only 2 or 3 of us actually tried it [03:24] ubuntu is a very good "starter" linux OS [03:24] god bless his soul where ever he is now [03:25] indeed [03:25] it is also good for pros as well [03:25] i realized that before when i tried to install it at home [03:25] problem is i had no net connection [03:25] its just that you need to be a lot more experienced to use different distros like gentoo [03:25] so i was not able to experience the free software fully [03:26] now what its connected to the net, it totally blows windows [03:26] our company spent a fortune buying 86 licensed copy of xp [03:26] ha [03:26] its a shame [03:26] now they are requesting for quotation for office xp 2003/2007 [03:26] if only people were aware of how well it is becoming developed [03:27] yeah [03:27] at least they arent wanting vista [03:27] all that money could be used to upgrade the hardware [03:27] true [03:27] well the pc here is below minimun [03:27] below minimum standard so they really cant afford to upgrade [03:28] this is a sugar milling industry [03:28] so they have old programs (foxpro) [03:28] talk about shit i have a 1 gig processor and 256 mb of ram [03:28] just like mine [03:28] but in linux its still fast [03:28] i salvaged this pc from the junk heap [03:28] nice thats the best way obtain stuff [03:29] its still has the pencil mark defective mmother board, checked 6/25/2007 [03:29] lol [03:29] managed to make it run, [03:29] well good job on that [03:29] amazing what pencil eraser can do to clean memory and video card contact [03:30] crazy [03:30] i am a casual worker in the mis/edp dpt [03:30] i format windows pc everyday [03:30] sorry i have no clue what that is [03:30] oh ok [03:30] because of all the junks they managed to put in the pc [03:30] haha [03:30] usually from the factory and engineering department [03:30] they like porn [03:30] figures [03:30] trojan likes porn too [03:31] using linux takes time to get accustomed [03:32] im still trying to get the hang of not having to defrag your disk [03:32] scan for spywares/virus [03:32] scan for junk registry entries [03:32] and stuff [03:33] yea its alot easier [03:34] well im glad youve entered into the linux community and are willing to learn [03:35] better than playing games [03:35] :P [03:35] although thats why i have win xp still at home [03:36] need for speed most wanted, maple story and guilty gear xx #reloaded [03:36] if you have a fast machine you can run a win emulator and still play games [03:36] and devil may cry 3 se, but other than that im all xubuntu [03:37] linux = peace of mind [03:39] okay for some strange reason, my screensaver now works [03:40] really??? [03:40] i went out for a while and when i came back its working now [03:40] yep after installing icewm [03:40] mine never worked but i hate screen saver [03:40] i was downloading enlightenment and went out for a while [03:40] well thats cool it works [03:40] when i came back, lo and behold, the 3d accelerated restricted driver screensaver is showing [03:41] rad [03:41] i need to steal some pci video card here [03:41] but its all agp and pciex [03:42] brb going to try enlightenment [03:42] why steal maybe just ask for it [03:46] wow!!!! 1 <3 enlightenment [03:46] cool [03:47] make sure to middle click and click on the help selection [03:47] hahaha [03:47] i dont have middle click [03:47] my mouse has only 2 buttons [03:47] there is a lot of helpful hints there [03:47] oh well try right click [03:47] ah yeah , just found out [03:47] wow this is very nice indeed [03:48] it tell you how to do backrounds and such [03:48] and a lot of info on the icon box [03:48] okay now i need to change the font for pidgin and make it smaller [03:48] so it will go well with the enlightenment theme [03:49] not to be mean but id suggest sticking with what wm you prefer and playing around with it till you become comfortable with it [03:49] most fonts can be configured within the program itself [03:50] are you using pidgin? [03:50] i use pidgin for my aim account but i use xchat for irc [03:52] okay when i minimize applications where does it go? [03:52] to an icon box [03:52] in enlightenemtn [03:53] ah there [03:53] nice flipping animation [03:53] lol [03:53] you can configure it to use the app icons as well [03:53] the switching desktop is cool too [03:54] make sure to read the help section because it explain a lot of reall cool things you can do [03:55] okay im doing that [03:56] how do i open it again in case i close it? [04:01] open what [04:02] if your talking about the help box just minimize it [04:04] ? [04:07] hello === thomas__ is now known as The-Kernel [07:14] Hey you guys. I want to buy a Samsung 225bw 22' widescreen LCD MONITOR. I can't find anything anywhere saying if it will work with linux. ANy ideas??? [07:15] NullName: why wouldn't it work? [07:15] NullName: you don't need any drivers or anything for a *monitor* [07:27] well it comes with a driver CD..which scared me.. I'd never had a problem with monitors in linux...just graphic cards. I have an old nvidia. [07:27] I thought maybe LCD monitors were different [07:27] its new and I've only dealt with older monitors [07:35] NullName: the driver cd will only contain LCC color definitions, for when you want to have printer-perfect colors [07:35] NullName: and maybe monitor parameters for windows [11:00] Hi all [11:03] I have a problem mounting devices... I have an USB HDD, and when I plug it, xubuntu recognices it and mount it, but if I do a reboot, I have to unplug and plug in again to have an automatic mounting, or I have to do an "mount -a" [11:03] can anybody help me? [11:05] everybody is sleeping :S [11:06] hm [11:06] you could add it to your fstab [11:07] i don't know if that's the right way, but it will work [11:08] totalwormage, I've tried to make a rule in /etc/udev/rules.d, I've add it to fstab, but nothing :S [11:08] is very strange, becouse in debian, without X, everything works perfectly [11:08] pubo, you added the auto flag? in fstab [11:08] ^^ [11:09] otherwise read up about fstab here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283131&highlight=fstab+howto [11:09] ablomen, yes, I added it... [11:09] hmm ok [11:10] can I paste here my udev rule and fstab line? [11:10] pastebin better? [11:10] pastebin :) [11:11] Hey question! [11:12] btw, still dont get why people write those super-detailed howto's and then post it on a forum, thats what wiki's are for [11:12] I'm on ubuntu atm, when I install Xfce, will that put me on Xubuntu? [11:12] Marcusklaas, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop :) [11:12] that will put all the default xubuntu stuff on there [11:12] Okay cool [11:12] http://pastebin.com/m285c1f44 [11:13] But then i also got the gnome apps .. will that make my pc slower than a clean install of xubuntu? [11:13] well you can shut the services down and remove the apps you dont need [11:15] yea tru but what i hate about ubuntu is that a lot of applications are part of a package so you can't just delete them .. and the package manager is crazy .. liek 1000s of them in there -_- [11:15] but i get it [11:15] thanks ablomen [11:15] np, good luck [11:15] oh and, you can also just apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop afterwards [11:17] ablomen, have you seen my configuration? is there any error? [11:17] well for one, i dont think you need a uid and gid in there, or is it needed for ntfs3g? [11:18] uhm, don't know... :) [11:19] anyway, cant say anything about the udev rule (never did anything with that) but i think its either because of the weird dev name or something fishy with ntfs-3g, if thats not it, dunno [11:20] but If I remove the rule in udev, and the line in fstab... stills don't mounting the drive until I unplug and plug it again :'( [11:20] still? (I'm spanish xD) [11:22] hmm well sorry i cant help ya there, try filing a bug :) [11:24] oh :(, well... thank you! :) [11:24] hehe np, good luck [11:53] ablomen, are you there? [11:53] yep [11:54] My problem (USB mounting)... The problem is with every device y plug in the USB ports... Keyboards, Mouse, etc... [11:54] hmm thats weird [11:54] I mean... [11:55] I've plugged an USB-Mouse... It recognices and works perfectly... but when I reboot... the same... I have to unplug and plug-it again [11:55] thats really not good, i think you messed something up, or have a really bad bug [11:56] maybe I uninstalled something important... but hal and udev is here === J_- is now known as J-_ [12:28] anybody here? :) [12:30] I have one more problem. This time with xfce volume applet... I don't know what happened... sound works allright, volume mixer too, but when I add a volume manager in the panel, It doesn't show... [12:50] hi [12:51] i have this computer : 660 Mhz Celeron processor, 128 MB RAM, 100 GB HDD [12:51] Does the Xubuntu works on it? [12:52]