[00:21] mhb: It's the peeing in the pool problem. [00:21] eww [00:21] If 1 person does it, it makes up for 1000 not doing it. [00:23] Another problem is that some people don't think about the effect of their words. [00:23] If anyone posting on blog or dot would think 3 seconds if a) he would say the same if it were a personal / physical dialogue, and b) what he himself would feel if he got such feedback, the world would be a better place. [00:26] sebas: I would say the same on my blog if it was mean and rude, except to you...you look like a big dude...I might have to hire Riddell and a few people to help out :p [00:26] s/same on my blog/same in person [00:28] I have the good water treatment in my pool...whoever pees in it will get noticed right away, as they will have a greenish area around them :) [00:28] (you're all big dudes...) [00:28] (morning!!) [00:28] and I am trying to get bigger...it just isn't working [00:28] mornin' [00:31] nixternal: HEhe [00:33] nixternal: alpha 1 page looks great. I removed some bits about LTS since that might not apply. I think alpha 1 will be released shortly so I'll remove the disclaimer at the top then [00:35] Riddell: groovy [00:39] congrats apachelogger! [00:42] let apachelogger be an inspiration to everyone, you can all be MOTU [00:43] huh? [00:45] heck, I should be an inspiration for future MOTUs...I am a MOTU and still have no idea what I am doing :p [00:46] lol then I could fit right in then :) [00:46] i dont even know that that is [00:46] so, i beat all of you [00:46] I used to whip up some rather simple rpm packages for Lycoris [00:46] * Riddell pokes claydoh into doing some merges [00:47] then I saw 'real' rpm files and was boggled [00:47] I don't hinkI remember s single bit about rpms, good thin I an not using that type of sysrwnm :) [00:47] I don't think rather [00:48] rpms sucked to package a while back...I think SUSE helped out making it easier with their build system [00:48] gimme a how to or something and i can try :) [00:48] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU [00:48] there are a bunch of them there :) [00:49] well the ones I did were rather simple, even wine's wasn't to difficult, but I tink they were all rmp v2, v3 seemed way more complex [00:49] at least many and suses had more scripting involved [00:49] errr mandy and suse [00:52] ok no more typing for me till I get a light over here, sorry [00:58] ls [00:58] hahaha [00:58] what a moron...forgot I was in irssi [00:59] * coreymon77 agrees [01:13] so, who's going to merge kdiff3? [01:14] I can do that [01:15] looks like an easy enough merge === rouzic is now known as rouzic_ausente === vorian_afk is now known as vorian === vorian is now known as vorian_afk [04:56] way to quiet in here [04:58] heh [04:58] everyone's preparing for the meeting [05:01] 6 hours from now :) [05:01] * nixternal will be fast asleep [05:03] and tomorrow I am giving 3 talks: KDE 4 (30 min), Developing Kubuntu (30 min), and Open Education (30 min) [05:03] and we are expecting a huge ice/snow storm, looking forward to it :( [05:07] Riddell: kdiff3 merge uploaded! [05:07] nixternal: you have to come anyway :P [05:08] at 5am? I will be there in spirit :) [05:09] :P [05:11] it is tough to make class at 10am let alone 5am === uga is now known as uga|away [10:32] * Hobbsee waves [10:41] Kubuntu meeting in 20 minute [10:41] s [10:41] oh... [10:41] that's tonight? [10:42] * Jucato is really out of it [10:42] yes [10:42] good thing we finished dinner early :/ [10:42] hehe [10:42] * Hobbsee has dinner here [10:43] :) [10:50] Riddell: i don't know if this error is known but logwatch tell me this every days : [10:50] /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: [10:50] error: kdm-kde4:1 duplicate log entry for /var/log/kdm.log [10:50] run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate exited with return code 1 [10:50] just to report it [10:52] marseillai: ok, should be fixable easily enough [10:52] I need to fix the postinst script for that too [10:52] Riddell: it's not really annoying ... just logwatch report me that so i report to you... [10:57] allee: do you have plans for the libgphoto2 merge? [11:00] Riddell: not yet, top item is currently fai. Is there a new libgphoto release? [11:01] hi !! [11:01] meeting time [11:01] meeting now ? [11:01] yes [11:01] Tonio_: YES! [11:01] yep [11:02] oki ;) [11:02] stdin: ping [11:02] Jucato: pong [11:02] let's go [11:02] ok just checking :) [11:02] yep, I'm alive :) [11:02] Hobbsee: already started ? [11:03] just starting/started [11:03] Tonio_: just starting [11:03] oki [11:10] ooh [11:11] morning mhb [11:11] sorry I am late === Shely is now known as MJ086 [11:33] kwwii: don't forget your family! [11:33] Riddell: they are going to take the bus, I called :-) [11:35] good morning everybody [11:35] hi [11:37] hmm one really stupid question ... [11:37] the kubuntu booting screen only appears on 64bit systems ...? [11:38] ...no? [11:38] sebastian^: no, it appears on both [11:38] great, the i have a bug on two different systems where i386 is running [11:38] it appears in my dreams sometimes too :/ [11:39] * Jucato wonders if nixternal is awake now :) [11:39] one 64bit laptop and one 32bit desktop system, both with i386. then i will take a look these days why ... :) [11:39] Jucato: he wasn't planning to be [11:39] ah ok :) [11:40] * Jucato was planning to call him as prosecution's witness :) [11:42] oh we really will end up maintaining/developing D3lphin ourselves from now on. https://marrat.homelinux.org/D3lphin [11:42] (unless we could get marcel into Kubuntu to help us) [11:43] * Hobbsee headdseks [11:43] :) [11:43] * Jucato just read that now... should have tried looking for it earlier [11:43] why oh why are forums people not skilled enough to realise what is an email address, and waht is a http(s) link? [11:44] O.o [11:44] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=627717#post3870983 [11:44] oh ubuntuforums... [11:44] * Jucato closes [11:44] hehe j/k :P [11:45] lol [11:52] heh, being away from the computer is the way I was late :o) [11:52] err, is the reason [11:53] * Jucato was almost away from the computer....and in front of the dinner table :) [11:53] * mhb went seeking, but didnt find it [11:54] * jpatrick goes to find some food [11:54] * Jucato eats jpatrick... [12:05] dthacker: I suggest KubuntuTeamReport as the name. much closer to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/TeamReports :D [12:05] Jucato: how about Kubuntu/TeamReport ? [12:06] sure :) then you can add it to the "Table of Contents" in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ :D [12:06] I have one good idea a month, and I used it on the 1st :p [12:06] lol [12:07] lol [12:11] Riddell / Tonio_ : ok i have the dolphin kde3 + ark issues totaly fixed localy, ok to upload dolphin now or are we still in alpha-1 freeze ? [12:12] hey, it's the first and we already have good news! [12:12] Tonio_: folders OR files compressable now, and with zip/gzip/bzip2 :) [12:12] Nice! [12:13] mhb: ^^ :) [12:13] imbrandon: I can upload [12:13] imbrandon: also can you ;) [12:13] yea i CAN upload, more i was asking if we was still in the freeze or if someone else had more to add [12:13] mhb: ^^ [12:13] how about the image manipulation context menus? not sure if they;re from imagemagick or graphicsmagick [12:14] Jucato: give me a list and i'll work on it, i guess i'm the new dolphin context menu person :) [12:14] heh :) [12:14] imbrandon: basically the problem is those non-servicemenu context menus installed by other apps. :( [12:15] so Riddell / Tonio_ / Hobbsee / mhb : safe for me to upload at this time ? [12:15] imbrandon: yep for me [12:15] Jucato: i can still look at those [12:15] Jucato: just send a list to my email imbrandon@kubuntu.org [12:15] ok [12:15] of TODO's , or better yet file bugs and point me to them [12:15] :) [12:16] will do :) [12:16] * Jucato hasn't gotten around to his adept bug hunting spree yet :( [12:16] real life sucks! [12:17] hmm... [12:17] what would you as a developers want? Better D3lphin or more marketing? [12:17] ok. it's been a while. how do I get the latest d3lphin sources? it's in a bazaar repository is it not? [12:18] mhb: better dolphin to market later [12:18] apt-get source dolphin [12:19] mhb: better d3lphin... we can have more people to do marketing than people to do developing :) [12:19] it's easier to market a working product [12:19] ^.^ [12:19] Jucato: I know that, but is that the one to examine for possible changes? I'd think a head version would be wanted right? [12:20] ah. that I don't know :P [12:22] I'm a bSo based on the discussions at UDS, which I've only heard third and fourth hand, what have we lost from Canonical and what do we need to replace? [12:22] in the marketing department. [12:22] dthacker: they dont promote us at all, basically [12:23] we are sometimes in their press releases in the end [12:23] but nothing else [12:24] (but considering what Xubuntu's position is right now... we're lucky...) [12:25] sounds like we need a marketing spec, and then start to recruit. [12:25] (recruitment is one of my agenda topics I guess...) [12:26] dthacker: that's https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMarketing from last year basically [12:26] * dthacker reads [12:28] yes, we want to fill out that page. Is this appropriate to discuss on the current marketing ML? [12:29] * dthacker notes that the meeting has reached 90 minutes and is losing momentum. [12:30] wait....it started an over hour ago I was late?aaa! [12:30] #$%^ UTC [12:30] 11:00 UTC [12:31] which is 7 EST? [12:31] dthacker: considering our last meeting was quite a long time ago... [12:31] or.... was that with.. DST [12:31] UTC doesn't have DST [12:32] but EST does [12:32] mhb: how much of a parallel universe do we need to build? [12:34] 11:00 UTC was 6:00 EST (EDT has expired) [12:34] yea....I got kinda mixed up :( [12:34] oh well, I couldn't have been there at 6 anyway :D [12:38] dthacker: the goal is to promote the idea that Kubuntu and Ubuntu are equals [12:39] dthacker: if you like KDE, and you want Ubuntu quality, go for Kubuntu [12:39] dthacker: not "we have a community branch for KDE called Kubuntu, but Ubuntu is way polished and better for you [12:39] " [12:39] (but in reality...we are not.. and trying to leave up to that "promotion" is one thing's that killing us) [12:39] mhb: just uploaded the ark fix, i'll ping you tomarrow about the other issues [12:39] dolphin (0.9.2-0ubuntu3) hardy; urgency=low [12:39] * added kubuntu_07_ark_contextmenu.diff [12:39] fixes file compression for files and folders [12:39] also adds .zip file support [12:40] imbrandon: okay, thanks! [12:40] Jucato: they are not equals, but we are doing the most to bring Ubuntu philosophy with KDE, and we are quite good at it [12:40] Jucato: I dont see a reason why we should market it in a different way [12:41] Tonio_: try out that fix at first chance you get , to see if that is exactly what you ment, but i have a feeling it was [12:41] gnight all [12:42] Lure: what do you want me to do with my power-manager patch? should I introduce a check? [12:43] nosrednaekim: I think we should either: 1) check that only one unit is actually used by HAL, 2) introduce check and act accordingly [12:44] 2) is probably the best, since the DOCs seem to hint that more than one measurment can be given. I already wrote up a patch to check, needs two lines in powermanager.py though. [12:45] I am sorry, but I have to go [12:45] see you folks [12:45] nosrednaekim: that is better [12:45] see ya mhb [12:46] ciao mhb [12:54] * claydoh suffered from the Blunt Fist of Spouse [12:54] claydoh: ouch [12:54] who'd think that 6am wakeups were bad :) [12:55] I woke up exactly 11UTC [12:55] she did not appreciate my keyboard clickety clicks at that hour [12:55] and I suffered the consequences [12:56] heh [12:56] poor claydoh [12:56] luckily the fist is purely figurative, else I would need some pin killers [12:56] pain killers [12:56] nah, not poor, just didn't ask or communicate === apachelogger__ is now known as apachelogger [13:17] Hobbsee: what are you up to with stdin's membership? [13:18] txwikinger: how long do you recon you can do an irc talk about bug triage for? [13:18] Hmm.. .let me have a look at the material that is already there [13:19] whew [13:19] Riddell: done it [13:19] I think it should be more or less the same as the general bug triage [13:19] And it probably depends on the questions ask [13:19] ed [13:20] what about 0.5h Riddell? [13:22] txwikinger: great, I'll put you down, thanks [13:22] np Riddell [13:28] re [13:28] is knetworkmanager working for yo ? [13:28] it stoped detecting my network cards since yesterday === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [13:28] I didn't see any specific update causing the trouble....... [13:30] ** (nm-applet:6840): WARNING **: nma_dbus_init(): could not acquire its service. dbus_bus_acquire_service() says: 'Connection ":1.24" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file' [13:30] ouch........ [13:38] txwikinger: works for me === Faed is now known as Fade === _czessi is now known as Czessi [13:58] Tonio_ rather [14:02] :) [14:03] Riddell: knetworkmanager has the same issue [14:03] Riddell: even changing the "default" to "allow"..... [14:03] Riddell: what do you mean by "rather" ? [14:03] Riddell: I'm unsure that means positive or negative in that case :) === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [14:05] hm. ardochille's gone... dthacker, I made https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/TeamReport already, so you can start adding and editing or whatever :) [14:06] Tonio_: works for me [14:06] Jucato: Ok, I added myself as a reporter on the Ubuntu teams page as well. [14:07] Riddell: I suspect I broke something yesterday...... [14:07] Riddell: Opportunity to test alpha I'd say ;) [14:09] Riddell: just as an evidence kubuntu isn't the same status than ubuntu : [14:09] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-1/ (Ubuntu) [14:09] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hardy/alpha-1/ (Kubuntu) [14:09] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/hardy/alpha-1/ (Edubuntu) [14:09] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/jeos/releases/hardy/alpha-1/ (Ubuntu JeOS) [14:09] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/hardy/alpha-1/ (Xubuntu) [14:09] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/gobuntu/releases/hardy/alpha-1/ (Gobuntu) [14:09] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/hardy/alpha-1/ (UbuntuStudio) [14:09] look at the urls [14:09] standard ubuntu -> separate from the others [14:10] that may not mean a lot, but the all this is making kubuntu a de facto derivative, although I don't agree it is.... [14:10] everything is typically done as if it was [14:11] sorry for the copy paste.... [14:12] Riddell: I'll test the alternate cd today [14:13] that's always annoyed me [14:13] although not sufficiently enough to complain [14:15] Riddell: of course, but it's a lot of little things like this that make people considering kubuntu a derivative [14:15] hard to fight against this without a deep change in the way canonical communicates.... === rdieter_afk is now known as rdieter [14:16] each point is not enough to complain, but group them, we have reasons to... === rdieter is now known as rdieter_afk [16:21] YES! finally Kubuntu Marketing! I would kill to work on that one, even turn it into a final project for my business/marketing degree [16:21] Riddell: if you want to start working on something, let me know and I can whip up some ideas [16:29] nixternal: do you already have some ideas in mind? :) [16:32] always have ideas in mind [16:36] :) [16:37] Riddell: about system-config-printer: Anything beyond the wireframe images done? So a) one has to learn qtdesigner and get used with s-c-p backend code [16:38] b) implement it ;) [17:10] seele: ^^ ? === \sh_away is now known as \sh [18:10] alleeHol: mmm? [18:38] jpatrick: i tried the latest luks update [18:38] i now get to see encrypted devices in media:/ but can't open them === \sh is now known as \sh_away [20:19] I am so sorry I am late [20:23] ARGH! who broke my sound? send them to me, they must pay! :p [20:24] hehe.. have you shotgun ready? :) [20:25] oh ya [20:26] sound better than heart [20:27] How was the meeting today. === rdieter_afk is now known as rdieter [20:27] ScottK: hmm, not really groundbreaking [20:28] OK. [20:28] ScottK: not even soundbreaking or heartbreaking [20:28] Glad I didn't get up early then (it was at 7AM here). [20:28] hey guys. I'm having an issue with kdesudo in system setting in hardy. [20:33] davmor2: bug submitted? [20:34] I'll double check I think I did but things were a little hectic [20:36] ScottK: 6am for you :) [20:36] 5am for me :( [20:36] * ScottK thought is was Noon UTC? [20:36] nixternal: ^^ [20:37] 11:00 UTC [20:37] Ah. Even more glad I didn't get up at 7AM to find I'd missed the meeting then. [20:40] moins all [20:40] mhb I have now bug 173319 [20:40] Launchpad bug 173319 in kdesudo "kdesudo seems to be broken in system setting in hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173319 [20:40] mhb: do we have a current working list of prioritizd dolphin bugs ( other than tralling LP ofcourse ) , if not thats fine just wanted to know where we stand [20:41] imbrandon: we dont have anything that isnt on LP [20:41] cool cool okies [20:41] imbrandon: Please kill the fish. [20:41] imbrandon: I did some triage there ages ago, but not much... feel free to prioritize yourself. [20:41] k [20:42] ScottK: ? === rdieter is now known as rdieter_afk [20:42] kdelibs (IIRC) drives Dolph3n and Konqueror to default to the Fish protocol for an 'ssh' connection. I think it's a bad idea. [20:42] ScottK: it is not a fish, btw [20:43] imbrandon: Should use SFTP by default. [20:43] mhb: i'm gonna check how the ubuntu3 build went while i slept, most of these important but small fixes can be -backports canidates ( but i'd like to get as many done as possible as to not be backporting every two days ) [20:43] ScottK: oh, you mean "the" fish, not the fish.. :o) [20:43] mhb: Agreed, but it was funnier the way I said it. [20:43] ScottK: ahh ok, yea i'll look into that [20:43] imbrandon: Thanks. There is a bug on it in LP. Marked invalid against Dolph3n and active against kdelibs. [20:44] k [20:47] mhb: also we should probably get stdin to grab those desktop files i fixed for dolphin3 and port/copy them to dolphin4 [20:48] is there a way to get sftp to use your ~/.ssh/config file? I hate having to type in everything when using sftp [20:48] with fish, I just do fish://svr1 [20:53] ScottK: after a bit of searching i dont see the bug, can you give me a bug # when you get a moment [20:53] * ScottK looks [20:54] imbrandon: Bug 133957 [20:54] Launchpad bug 133957 in kdelibs "Dolphin uses fish: instead of sftp: for "SSH" connections" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133957 [20:54] killer thanks [20:55] No problem. Thanks for looking into it. [21:04] ScottK: where did you comeup with x-wizard_service.desktop ? [21:04] imbrandon: I don't remember. It was a while ago. [21:05] ahh, i see that no where in the distro ( via packages.u.c ) [21:05] * imbrandon digs some more [21:05] this might need to wait untill this evening when i can get at my kubuntu install ( on ubuntu atm ) [21:05] Ah. [21:06] * ScottK exhausted his limited knowledge of KDE stuff to get as far as he did. [21:09] * mhb [21:09] is exhausted, too :o) [21:11] imbrandon: x-wizard_service.desktop is in the source package for a 3.x kdebase or kdenetwork, iirc... I had found it a while back... [21:12] * ryanakca hunts too === uga|away is now known as uga [21:22] ryanakca: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=x-wizard_service.desktop&searchmode=filelist&case=insensitive&version=gutsy&arch=i386 [21:57] hi everyone [21:57] so, what happened at the meeting/ [21:57] ? === coreymon_ is now known as coreymon77 [22:01] coreymon77: nothing too eventful [22:10] imbrandon: *shrugs* [22:14] ryanakca: :) np i'll dig more here in a few hours [22:15] Riddell: ping [22:32] imbrandon: Found it! [22:32] ryanakca: cool, where ? [22:32] imbrandon: it's an alias to knetattach.desktop [22:32] ahh makes sense, sweet ok [22:32] imbrandon: umm... dunno where it originates from... I just right clicked the item in remote:/ and copied to home folder. [22:33] ryanakca: got it :) [22:34] imbrandon@hood:~$ apt-file search knetattach.desktop [22:34] app-install-data: usr/share/app-install/desktop/knetattach.desktop [22:34] kde4base-data: usr/lib/kde4/share/applications/kde4/knetattach.desktop [22:34] kdebase-bin: usr/share/applications/kde/knetattach.desktop [22:34] imbrandon@hood:~$ [22:34] :) === rdieter_afk is now known as rdieter [23:39] kde4 delayed, who would have known? :o) [23:40] I hereby thank our Riddle & Gossip Department! === rdieter is now known as rdieter_afk