[00:00] <corinth> Pupeno: What does Mono's installer du?
[00:00] <BluesKaj> !hi | Nurburgring
[00:00] <ubotu> Nurburgring: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[00:00] <Pupeno> corinth: it installs Mono.
[00:00] <corinth> Pupeno: Lol, sorry. What is Mono?
[00:00] <Pupeno> corinth: a recent nice version, with dev tools.
[00:00] <Pupeno> corinth: an free implementation of .Net.
[00:01] <Pupeno> corinth: http://mono-project.org
[00:04] <mihai_> Does anyone know why i get the message BREAK (install) each time I try to install something in Adept?
[00:05] <draik> mihai_: It means that a package you are trying to install conflicts with something that is installed.
[00:05] <vzduch> mihai_: didn't you have that earlier today already? o0
[00:06] <Kveldulf> hello
[00:06] <draik> sMonk: I would suggest that you google "install GRUB"
[00:06] <Pupeno> mihai_: if you are not afraid, I'd recommend you to open a terminal (konsole) and run aptitude.
[00:06] <draik> Hello Kveldulf
[00:06] <Nuked> can anyone help me convert a video_ts folder to an .ogm xvid 2000kbps with ac3 ?
[00:07] <draik> Nuked: Have you tried FFMPEG?
[00:08] <Nuked> draik.. that and transcode scare me more than freddy cruger and oprah winfrey
[00:08] <Kveldulf> could I maybe get some advice?  having some problems with installing K locks up every time i get to formatting the disk.
[00:08] <vzduch> Nuked: transcode can be used w/ K3b
[00:08] <vzduch> Nuked: then there's k9copy and dvdrip
[00:08] <vzduch> pick one
[00:08] <Nuked> dvdrip produces a file that is most undesirable
[00:09] <vzduch> huh?
[00:09] <Nuked> Im having issues with dvdrip
[00:09] <draik> Freddy is friendly and Oprah is tax loophole-abusing, dolphin saving salmon eating hypocrite.
[00:09] <mihai_> vzduch : Yes, but i'm still having problems
[00:09] <Nuked> draik, see why im scared!
[00:10] <vzduch> who the hell is Freddy?
[00:10] <Nuked> the output causes the video to slow every couple of seconds
[00:10] <Nuked> vzduch, the evil version of edward scissorhands
[00:10] <Nuked> kind of
[00:10] <vzduch> ah, that Freddy..
[00:11] <Nuked> yep
[00:11] <vzduch> Krueger is his last name
[00:11] <Kveldulf> so maybe someone has seen that kind of thing and could advise me?
[00:11] <Nuked> they both pale in comparison next to these video conversion programs
[00:12] <Nuked> draik, do you think you could possibly provide a command that I could use or something?
[00:12] <draik> Since we're speaking of video, what can I use to record Uplink (http://www.uplink.co.uk)
[00:12] <draik> Nuked: Hmmm... DO IT! DO IT NOW!!!
[00:12] <vzduch> mihai_: as I said hours ago.. paste the output of apt-get to pastebin where the error occurs - everything from entering the command to the next prompt
[00:13] <draik> Nuked: That's a pretty direct command :p
[00:13] <Nuked> draik, get out of the chopper
[00:13] <Nuked> (who is your daddy and what does he do)
[00:13] <Kveldulf> no one?
[00:13] <mihai_> vzduch : I did
[00:13] <mihai_> under the name mihai
[00:13] <draik> Nuked: GET DOWN!
[00:14] <Nuked> RUBBER BABY BUGGY BUMPERD
[00:14] <Nuked> D
[00:14] <Nuked> dang
[00:14] <BluesKaj> nuked there's also an alternative that recommend that you can run in the CLI or GUI , called Tovid ...the app also has a support chat on this server  , #tovid
[00:14] <draik> Bumper?
[00:14] <Kveldulf> this is a support channel?
[00:14] <draik> Kveldulf: Define "support"
[00:14] <vzduch> wth..
[00:15] <vzduch> !paste > vzduch
[00:15] <Nuked> d is next to the r and
[00:15] <Kveldulf> like some one might try to help
[00:15] <denn_on_livecd> hey guys...have a bit of a tough decision to make here cause new installation doesn't want to boot (fsck problem but fsck -r <dev> doesn't help), so i need some help)
[00:15] <_michael> Hello I'm having a problem using GCC 4.1.2 on Kubuntu 7.04. I think it has to do with the header file locations but I can't be certain. The gcc -v error output is at http://pastebin.com/m51219228 I'd appreciate any help or suggestions you can offer.
[00:15] <draik> Kveldulf: You mean help with something they might know and say nothing if they don't?
[00:16] <draik> !anyone | Kveldulf
[00:16] <ubotu> Kveldulf: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[00:16] <Kveldulf> so no one here has ever heard of k failing to install correctly?
[00:16] <vzduch> mihai_: the pastebin doesn't seem to have a search function.. you still have the link?
[00:16] <draik> Do you mean KDE?
[00:16] <Nuked> BluesKaj, that program does the opposite of what I need to have done
[00:17] <Kveldulf> didnt see my first post?
[00:17] <denn_on_livecd> history: installed kubuntu 7.10, with other partitions for gentoo; installed gentoo ok, but now kubuntu, at boot, says 3 partitions (related to gentoo) have probs,
[00:17] <Kveldulf> failure to format the hard disk
[00:17] <Kveldulf> kubuntu install disk
[00:17] <Kveldulf> not kde
[00:18] <denn_on_livecd> what to do?
[00:19] <wwZ|Commi> michael: Seems that you're missing libstdc++
[00:19] <xevil> Kveldulf: give us some background... you have an OS on that drive at all?
[00:19] <denn_on_livecd> i'm afraid that if i use the old pre-gentoo mbr-backup the UUID's won't be valid anymore for gentoo partitions
[00:20] <mihai_> vzduch: No, i don't have it :(
[00:20] <Kveldulf> no
[00:20] <Kveldulf> brand new
[00:20] <Nuked> draik, some help you are (lol)
[00:20] <vzduch> mihai_: I just checked my log, you didn't give a link
[00:20] <Kveldulf> even tried disconnecting all the other drives
[00:20] <draik> Nuked: Huh?
[00:21] <Kveldulf> any other info that would be helpful?
[00:21] <Nuked> draik, started off with ffmpeg and got into Arnold Schwarzenegger
[00:21] <_michael> wwZ|Commi: I have the /usr/include/c++/4.1.2 header files there are there any package names that I have to install because libstdc++6 is installed (not the dev though)
[00:21]  * draik has ADD among other things
[00:22] <wwZ|Commi> I think you have to install the dev-Package too
[00:22] <denn_on_livecd> how do i fix this fsck problem so kubuntu will boot if 'fsck -r..." doesn't work?
[00:22] <Nuked> draik, it would seem that im destined to stay solutionless
[00:23] <wwZ|Commi> michael: should be something like libstdc++6-dev
[00:23] <draik> Nuked: in Konversation (or any other CLI terminal) "sudo apt-get install ffmpeg && ffmpeg --help"
[00:24] <vzduch> mihai_: again.. run the command that results in the 'break' message, then paste all of its output to pastebin and give us the link to the resulting webpage
[00:25] <Nuked> draik, ffmpeg: missing argument for option '--help'
[00:25] <Nuked> what were the odds of that?
[00:25] <_michael> wwZ|Commi: When installing libstdc++6-dev and it says it will install cpp, g++, and gcc version 3.4 will this affect my current gcc 4.1.2?
[00:25] <draik> Nuked: man ffmpeg
[00:25] <wwZ|Commi> Uhm...
[00:26] <_michael> wwZ|Commi: I don't think it should it doesn't say it will remove gcc-4.1.2
[00:26] <wwZ|Commi> As far as I know it should't do so
[00:26] <wwZ|Commi> shouldn't
[00:26] <xevil> Kveldulf: you're sure the install disk has no errors?
[00:26] <_michael> wwZ|Commi: ok good
[00:27] <wwZ|Commi> On my system theres gcc 3.4, 3.3, 4.1 and 4.2 installed
[00:27] <Kveldulf> not sure, Its downloaded?
[00:27] <Kveldulf> how to be sure?
[00:27] <wwZ|Commi> And as default it uses 4.1
[00:27] <_michael> wwZ|Commi: Do you know how to get extra directories searched for header files? Is there an environment variable?
[00:28] <wwZ|Commi> I just know the parameter for gcc
[00:28] <xevil> Kveldulf: you might also try MEMTEST on the install disk to see if you might have a memory problem
[00:29] <mihai_> vzduch : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46378/
[00:29] <wwZ|Commi> But I don't know, how the environment variable is named
[00:29] <Kveldulf> ill try that now back in a few.
[00:29] <Kveldulf> afk
[00:30] <level1> hi, I'm trying to make a bootable ubuntu flash drive.  It boots and is able to mount file systems, but it then it drops into some sort of (initramfs) prompt for no reason... there are no error codes to indicate why...
[00:31] <vzduch> mihai_: thanks.. as a 2nd thing, a look at your /etc/apt/sources.list would be helpful :)
[00:31] <mihai_> vzduch : ok, just a minute
[00:32] <_michael> wwZ|Commi: It didn't work 3.4 gives me this error http://pastebin.com/m34741599
[00:32] <mihai_> vzduch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46380/
[00:32] <wwZ|Commi> hmmm
[00:33] <wwZ|Commi> How do you compile it? Do you type the whole thing in or are you running it within an editor or something?
[00:34] <xevil> Kveldulf: you can check your CD with one of these utilities... http://www.kvipu.com/CDCheck/
[00:35] <_michael> wwZ|Commi: I am in an embedded konsole in kdevelop I type in: "gcc ./"Hello World.cpp" (with -v ) for verbose sometimes but nothing special
[00:36] <draik> Other than gtk-recordmydesktop, krecordmydesktop and screenkast, what can I use to actually record my desktop? This is what I don't want... http://www.draikunderlord.com/uplink.ogg
[00:36] <vzduch> mihai_: comment line 1 out (put a # before it), and uncomment (remove # before the resp. line) lines 6, 8, 13, 15, 63, 65, 67, 69, 71, 73, and if you like, 52 and 59
[00:36] <vzduch> mihai_: to do that, open /etc/apt/sources.list as root ('sudo') w/ a text editor
[00:37] <vzduch> or kdesudo, respectively, if you're going to use a graphical text editor like e.g. KWrite
[00:37] <vzduch> use 'Run Command' in the menu for that
[00:38] <vzduch> when you're done, run 'sudo apt-get update', then try again
[00:38] <wwZ|Commi> michael: What includes are you using? It can also be that you have to give used libraries by hand. I remember a programm I wrote using GMP, I had to use "-l gmp" so gcc realized it had to include the GMP-Libs
[00:40] <_michael> wwZ|Commi: I have "#inlcude <iostream>" as the first line of the file
[00:40] <_michael> *"#include <iostream>"
[00:40] <mihai_> vzduch : works now, indeed
[00:40] <mihai_> thanks!
[00:40] <wwZ|Commi> hm
[00:41] <vzduch> mihai_: you're welcome :)
[00:43] <_michael> wwZ|Commi: Interesting though I just successfully compiled a basic C program and it worked
[00:43] <Nurburgring> how do I get write access in Dolphin to /root/boot/grub so I can copy in the "chain0" file for being able to boot OSX86
[00:44] <wwZ|Commi> Mhm...
[00:44] <wwZ|Commi> I'm trying to figure out what goes wrong :D
[00:44] <wwZ|Commi> I think it's a normal "Hello World"-programm?
[00:44] <HeppyCat> good evening channel
[00:46] <_michael> wwZ|Commi: Well these are the source lines http://pastebin.com/m5a408a39 I think everything is ok though
[00:47] <wwZ|Commi> michael: I just tried that programm in my own machine, for me it works fine using "g++"
[00:47] <wwZ|Commi> instead of "gcc"
[00:47] <wwZ|Commi> I think thats the solution, you have to use g++, not gcc
[00:48] <wwZ|Commi> When trying gcc it gives me the same error as you had
[00:48] <HeppyCat> any ideas how i can burn a .dmg (mac) cd image?
[00:50] <BluesKaj> Nurburgring, alt+F2 kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[00:50] <_michael> wwZ|Commi: I can't thank you enough :-) It works now I'm gonna just change my bash alias around to g++ and I'll be running normally. Thanks Again :-)
[00:50] <wwZ|Commi> michael: no problem :)
[00:50] <Kveldulf> xevil: where is that option to check the memory?
[00:51] <xevil> Kveldulf: it's on the install disk
[00:51] <xevil> Kveldulf: you can check your CD with one of these utilities... http://www.kvipu.com/CDCheck/
[00:52] <maverick_> so, is it time now to try kde4 on gutsy
[00:52] <maverick_> ?
[00:52] <squarebottle> Hey, can anybody recommend a KDE application that I can use to syncronize two folders?
[00:52] <maverick_> i had 2 unsuccessful trials to install it on feisty...
[00:53] <Kveldulf> xevil: i did try check cd on the install disk and it locked up about 2/3 done so maybe its a bad disk but bad mem seems a real possibility too
[00:53] <xevil> Kveldulf: probably a bad disk... can you burn the ISO image again?
[00:54] <Kveldulf> xevil: but I did not find an option to check the mem
[00:54] <corinth> squarebottle: Beep me when you get an answer, I'd like to know, too.
[00:54] <Nurburgring> blueskaj: l did that and it brought up menu.lst in Kate... i already added "title "OSX86" rootnovereify bla bla bla" but what about putting the chain0 filr in the directory /root/boot/grub?
[00:54] <HeppyCat> squarebottle: rsync?
[00:54] <Nurburgring> thanks 4 reply
[00:55] <Kveldulf> xevil: not tonight, going to need to buy some more dvds
[00:55] <xevil> Kveldulf: the program name is memtest... I think an option comes up to run it when the CD first boots
[00:56] <xevil> Kveldulf: a bad disk or a memory problem is all I can think of that would cause your troubles
[00:56] <squarebottle> HeppyCat: rsync is a protocol, not a frontend.
[00:57] <squarebottle> HeppyCat: Also, rsync requires a remote server to have rsync installed, so it's not appropriate for portable media devices really.
[00:57] <Kveldulf> xevil: Ill look again, but if its the cd there is nothing I can do tonight. Thanks for helping. Ill maybe check back tomorrow.
[00:57] <xevil> Kveldulf: n/p later dude
[00:57] <wordupson> halp
[00:57] <wordupson> i need to figure out what model my wifi usb adapter is
[00:57] <wordupson> and what driver ubuntu is using for it
[00:57] <BluesKaj> Nurburgring, i gotta confess that I'm not familiar with root/root/files
[00:57] <wordupson> how can i figure that out?
[00:58] <Kveldulf> xevil: later
[00:59] <BluesKaj> err rot/boot
[01:00] <xevil> lsusb -v
[01:00] <BluesKaj> <---getting tired , can't read or type
[01:00] <Nurburgring> BluesKaj: k, thanks for tryin, i think I just need to have root privlage to copy the chain0 file there but kubuntu is only my second distro ever and Im not sure how to get admin root access. I wish there were a "browse as root" button
[01:01] <Anon6702> Bjr je galère avec Kubuntu 7.10 et l'afficahe 3D
[01:03] <BluesKaj> !root
[01:03] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[01:03] <xevil> Nurburgring: have you tried kdesu konqueror?
[01:04] <Nurburgring> xevil: is that a joke?? :)
[01:05] <user1> hello
[01:06] <xevil> Nurburgring: you said you wanted to browse as root... :)
[01:07] <Nurburgring> fk :)
[01:08] <Impiety> i've done literally everything i could find to do to try to get mp3s to play with amarok, but for some reason it won't work
[01:08] <Impiety> would anyone know why?
[01:08] <ZaNGaMaN> i think i will instal kubuntu
[01:09] <BluesKaj> Impiety, install libxine1-ffmpeg
[01:09] <Impiety> i have
[01:09] <Impiety> it still isn't working
[01:09] <Impiety> i've tried removing xine entirely
[01:09] <Impiety> and reinstalling it
[01:09] <BluesKaj> have you setup and unmuted alsamixer
[01:10] <Impiety> uh yeah, wmas work
[01:10] <Impiety> just not mp3
[01:10] <Impiety> amarok says it can't play it and asks if i want to let it install whatever it needs
[01:10] <Impiety> however, what it needs is installed
[01:10] <BluesKaj> then go for it
[01:10] <Impiety> which confuses
[01:10] <Impiety> me
[01:10] <Impiety> I used juk and with the gstreamer engine it worked
[01:11] <Impiety> but not with the xine engine
[01:11] <tuxthepenguin533> will kde4 make its way into kubuntu gusty
[01:13] <ubuntu> Hi, I successfully install ubuntu to a livecd.  apt-cache search firefox returns results but apt-cache search vlc or apt-cache search yakuake don't... are there extra repos I have to add?
[01:14] <Impiety> i'm just going ot remove all of the xine and amarok stuff
[01:14] <Impiety> and see what happens
[01:15] <xevil> Impiety: do you have libxine1 installed?
[01:16] <Impiety> yes
[01:16] <Impiety> that's why all of this is so confusing
[01:16] <Impiety> everything that it needs to work is installed
[01:16] <Impiety> but it's still giving me an error message
[01:16] <Impiety> so i'm just going to try it all again
[01:16] <Radi01> libxine1_ffmpeg
[01:17] <Radi01> -
[01:17] <Impiety> yeah
[01:17] <ZaNGaMaN> for a newbie wich is better
[01:18] <ZaNGaMaN> kubuntu or mandriva?
[01:18] <Radi01> ^ is the mp3 driver also libvisual needs installed
[01:18] <Impiety> libvisual
[01:18] <Impiety> hrm
[01:18] <Impiety> 1 sec
[01:18] <Radi01> let me get the right one brb
[01:19] <Impiety> yeah
[01:19] <Impiety> libvisual was installed
[01:19] <eean> NetworkManager has gone totally nuts on me
[01:20] <eean> right now its connecting and unconnecting about twice a second or something
[01:20] <Nurburgring2> xevil: in konqueror i go to /root and therfe are no items... same with /root
[01:20] <Radi01> 0.4-0
[01:20] <eean> how do you get a 'clean slate' with NetworkManager?
[01:20] <Nurburgring2> same with /root/boot/grub of coarse
[01:20] <Impiety> yeah, it's that version
[01:21] <Radi01> when all else fails re-boot to see if the scripts set..ya never know.
[01:21] <Impiety> good idea
[01:21] <Radi01> hey
[01:21] <Radi01> wait
[01:21] <Radi01> sudo touch /forcefsck
[01:21] <Radi01> do that to make a good clean boot
[01:22] <Impiety> cool
[01:22] <Impiety> i'll brb
[01:22] <Radi01> k
[01:22] <Impiety> thanks for the help man
[01:22] <Radi01> np
[01:24] <markc> anyone available to help a new user
[01:25] <xevil> just ask your question... maybe someone can help
[01:26] <Nurburgring2> xevil: thanks i got it straitend out
[01:26] <Xacarith> Has any one in here used openrpg?
[01:26] <xevil> Nurburgring2: hidden files?
[01:27] <Nurburgring2> nope, konqueror somehow wasn't pointed correctly to my root
[01:27] <markc> I instatlled Kubuntu on my Dell Opti gx150.  intel 815 graphics are showing vertical lines about every 3cm on screen.  any sugguestions??
[01:27] <Impiety> yeah
[01:27] <Impiety> that didn't work
[01:27] <Radi01> work
[01:27] <Radi01> oh boy
[01:28] <Nurburgring2> xevil, any ways, got the chain0 file there now and show have succesful tri boot  (xp,osx,Kubuntu)
[01:28] <Radi01> It does not play or what does it not do
[01:28] <Impiety> it's weird
[01:28] <xevil> Impiety: do you have libxine1-plugins installed?
[01:28] <Impiety> well, i did
[01:28] <Impiety> and it made no difference
[01:29] <Radi01> try installing those libs again since you have a clean boot
[01:34] <markc> I instatlled Kubuntu on my Dell Opti gx150.  intel 815 graphics are showing vertical lines about every 3cm on screen.  any sugguestions??
[01:36] <Impiety> umm
[01:36] <Impiety> what driver did xorg use
[01:36] <Impiety> well, what driver is it using
[01:36] <Radi01> If no one here can help try ubuntu markc.
[01:36] <Impiety> check int /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:36] <markc> hold on
[01:37] <Radi01> Still nothing on amarok?
[01:37] <Impiety> nah
[01:37] <Impiety> i'm just completely removing all of the xine libs
[01:38] <markc> Intel Corporation 82815 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller]
[01:38] <Radi01> ok
[01:38] <Impiety> and amarok
[01:38] <Impiety> and reinstalling them
[01:38] <Impiety> umm
[01:38] <Impiety> what driver did it use though
[01:38] <Radi01> cool just use the libs necessary for amarok 1rst..c what happens
[01:38] <markc> intel
[01:38] <Impiety> hrm
[01:38] <Impiety> yeah, that's what i'm going to try
[01:38] <Impiety> hrm
[01:38] <Impiety> it says intel next to driver
[01:39] <Radi01> ill get the exact ones 4 ya /stand by
[01:39] <Impiety> I appreciate it
[01:39] <Impiety> hrm
[01:39] <markc> yes it does.  under the device section
[01:39] <Impiety> i've never tried to install with integrated stuff
[01:40] <Impiety> my other crappy comptuer has an integrated graphics thingy
[01:40] <Impiety> and it's sis
[01:40] <Impiety> and it didnt' work
[01:40] <markc> is there a intel 815 driver?
[01:40] <markc> or just the generic intel
[01:41] <Impiety> how old is that laptop?
[01:41] <markc> not a laptop
[01:41] <markc> desktop
[01:41] <Impiety> oh wait
[01:41] <Impiety> duh
[01:41] <Impiety> you never said it was
[01:41] <Impiety> haha
[01:41] <Impiety> well, either way
[01:41] <markc> its cool
[01:41] <Impiety> how old is it
[01:42] <markc> a few years
[01:42] <Impiety> intel has some drivers on their site
[01:42] <markc> what distro
[01:42] <Impiety> well
[01:42] <markc> deb or RPM?
[01:42] <Evil_> not sure if I should ask this here or ##c, but, where can I get the C include files (stdio etc etc) it says I don't have them
[01:43] <Impiety> just scroll down, it explains the stuff to you
[01:43] <Impiety> tell me if that works
[01:43] <Impiety> there's quite a few forums talking about that chipset
[01:43] <Impiety> and if all else fails, you can always try setting the driver to vesa
[01:43] <Impiety> and see if that works
[01:44] <Impiety> but that wouldn't support opengl
[01:44] <tom_> did u try i810
[01:44] <Radi01> libxine1-ffmpeg   and libxine1              those are the (only) ones need for music for amarok. /for visuals  libvisual-0.4-0
[01:44] <Impiety> sweet thanks man
[01:44] <Radi01> k
[01:44] <Impiety> i'm goign to reinstall those right now
[01:45] <Impiety> if this doesn't work, i'm just going to give up and not use amarok
[01:45] <Radi01> ok
[01:45] <Impiety> the gstreamer engine works in juk
[01:45] <Impiety> so i guess i could just use that
[01:45] <Radi01> it should work..no reason why it shouldnt
[01:45] <Impiety> i know, it's weird, it was working yesterday
[01:45] <Impiety> and then I got rid of a bunch of gnome crap
[01:45] <Radi01> interesting
[01:45] <Impiety> and all of a sudden it didn't work
[01:46] <Radi01> ah..somthing came up missing then
[01:46] <Radi01> re-install amarok 2 maybe
[01:46] <Impiety> i'm doing that
[01:46] <Radi01> 1rst
[01:46] <Impiety> right now
[01:46] <Radi01> im with ya buddy hope it works
[01:47] <Impiety> hopefully with fresh config files things will work
[01:47] <gONIK> Hi everyone. I just connected a USB device to my computer, and I have a CD with the driver for the device. Now how can I install that driver?
[01:47] <Impiety> umm
[01:47] <Impiety> is the driver on your computer
[01:47] <Impiety> and where modules go?
[01:47] <gONIK> no on the CD-ROM
[01:48] <gONIK> that came with my device
[01:48] <Impiety> umm
[01:48] <Impiety> it has linux drivers on it?
[01:48] <gONIK> yes
[01:48] <Impiety> what's the device
[01:48] <gONIK> Wireless adapter
[01:48] <Impiety> oh
[01:48] <Impiety> umm
[01:48] <tom_> what's the extension on the drivers
[01:48] <Impiety> is there a .deb package?
[01:48] <gONIK> tar.gz I think
[01:49] <zibrah3ed> find the*.inf file for it, then ndiswrapper -i *.inf
[01:49] <tom_> do u know how to extract it
[01:49] <gONIK> No, I am a total newb
[01:49] <tom_> tar -xf filename.tar.gz
[01:49] <Impiety> tar xzvf blah.tar.gz
[01:49] <Impiety> blah = what it's called
[01:49] <tom_> xzvf is probably better
[01:50] <gONIK> What is the difference between -xf and xzvf?
[01:50] <Impiety> hrm
[01:50] <Impiety> dunno
[01:50] <Impiety> i just use xzvf
[01:50] <tom_> x is extract f is force
[01:50] <Impiety> z =  gz
[01:50] <zibrah3ed> v = verbose
[01:50] <tom_> v is verbose i believe
[01:50] <Impiety> yeah
[01:51] <gONIK> That is very helpful
[01:51] <gONIK> Thanks
[01:51] <Impiety> amarok is a no go
[01:51] <Impiety> haha
[01:51] <Impiety> this is fantastic
[01:51] <Radi01> bummer
[01:51] <Impiety> it makes no sense
[01:51] <Radi01> it dont
[01:51] <tom_> what's wrong with it?
[01:51] <Impiety> i twont play mp3s
[01:51] <Impiety> i installed everything necessary for it to do so
[01:51] <Impiety> and it sitll won't
[01:51] <Impiety> it's being difficult
[01:52] <tom_> u have liblame?
[01:52] <tom_> idk if thats the exact name
[01:52] <Impiety> hrm
[01:52] <Impiety> i do
[01:52] <Radi01> somthing got borked
[01:53] <Radi01> what about doing it from terminal 2 c if there are errors
[01:53] <vzduch> tom_: not entirely right.. x = extract, z = gzip compression, v = verbose, f = file (takes filename as argument)
[01:53] <gONIK> thanks
[01:54] <gONIK> ok so after I extracted it
[01:54] <tom_> vzduch: yeah, sorry about that
[01:54] <gONIK> now what
[01:54] <Impiety> go to the directory it made
[01:54] <tom_> wat files did it extract
[01:54] <Impiety> is there something that says "configure" in that dir
[01:55] <gONIK> Nope
[01:55] <gONIK> there are two .gz
[01:56] <gONIK> and the rest are shell scripts
[01:56] <gONIK> and plain text files
[01:56] <tom_> what are the names of the scripts
[01:56] <vzduch> wth are you doing anyway?
[01:56] <gONIK> wlan0up
[01:56] <gONIK> Ok
[01:56] <gONIK> let me start from the beginning
[01:56] <gONIK> I bought a wireless adapter
[01:57] <gONIK> Now I connected it to my computer
[01:57] <gONIK> I have a CD for it
[01:57] <Impiety> what kidn of wireless adapter
[01:57] <gONIK> With all the drivers, for Windows, Linux, Mac and so on
[01:57] <gONIK> Alfa 500mw
[01:57] <vzduch> if you're running, or planning to run, Linux, look at hardware compatibility lists beforehand
[01:57] <gONIK> I am trying to install it, so that the operating system sees it
[01:58] <tom_> he said there are linux drivers on a cd
[01:58] <tom_> try ./wlan0up
[01:58] <vzduch> I'd prefer to see a directory listing of the .tar.gz file's content
[01:59] <vzduch> instead of wild guessing :>
[01:59] <tom_> yeah i guess that's the smart idea
[01:59] <tom_> and can u tell us the name of the device
[02:00] <tom_> Impiety: are u still there?
[02:02] <vzduch> anyway, it's late, so I'll try to get a bit of sleep :)
[02:02] <vzduch> good night folks :)
[02:04] <Radi01> have a good one V
[02:06] <gONIK> there is an autorun.inf file on the cd
[02:06] <gONIK> will it help me somehow?
[02:06] <Impiety> tom_: yeah, sorry, i had to go do something really quickly
[02:06] <Impiety> libmad0 is installed
[02:07] <tom_> impiety: what engine are you using
[02:07] <Impiety> xine
[02:07] <Impiety> that's the only engine that I seemlingly can install for amarok
[02:07] <tom_> goink: i think that's mostly for windows computers that automatically load the cd
[02:07] <gONIK> yea I figured
[02:08] <gONIK> when I type lsusb it sees my device
[02:08] <tom_> what is the name of the device
[02:08] <gONIK> Alfa 500mw
[02:08] <Impiety> weird
[02:08] <Impiety> noatun plays mp3s
[02:09] <tom_> and amarok still doesn't?
[02:09] <Radi01> weird
[02:09] <tom_> goink: http://blog.data-alliance.us/index.php?/archives/34-Alfa-500mW-USB-on-Fedora-7-Linux-Chipset-RealTek-8185.html
[02:09] <tom_> thats a page about installing it in fedora
[02:10] <tom_> it mentions install wlassistant
[02:10] <mihai_> I cannot run Firefox in Kunbutu after installing the browser. After it starts loading, the window closes automatically ?
[02:11] <tom_> and adding the line alias wlan0 rtl8187 to /etc/modprobe.conf
[02:11] <tom_> mihai_: try running it from the terminal to see the error message
[02:11] <mihai_> tom_ : /opt/firefox/run-mozilla.sh: 424: /opt/firefox/firefox-bin: not found
[02:12] <fulat2k> hi folks, i'm getting dpkg errors when doing a dist-upgrade which includes kde4: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46381/
[02:12] <fulat2k> any help on how i can fix it?
[02:12] <fulat2k> running sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace doesn't work...
[02:13] <gONIK> when I try to install wlassistant
[02:13] <tom_> mihai: how did u install it
[02:13] <gONIK> It says "couldn't find wlassistant"
[02:14] <tom_> goink: did you check you network settings
[02:15] <tom_> in system setting
[02:15] <tom_> settings*
[02:15] <mem2> Passing startup args to already-running Azureus java process listening on [127.0.0.1: 6880]
[02:15] <mem2> help plz
[02:15] <mem2> :P
[02:15] <mihai_> tom_ : First i tried installing it unsuccessfully by downloading the archieve and I think that messed it up.. The second time i installed it using Adept
[02:15] <mem2> checked all forum threads and nothing
[02:15] <mem2> netstat -tp doenst show az
[02:15] <mem2> java isnt running
[02:15] <mem2> fresh install
[02:15] <tom_> mihai_: try sudo apt-get remove firefox
[02:16] <tom_> then install
[02:17] <Radi01> tom
[02:17] <tom_> yes
[02:17] <Radi01> where do removed packages go to
[02:18] <mem2> hello
[02:18] <mem2> any1 have / know of this azurues issue
[02:18] <tom_> idk
[02:18] <mem2> restarted lo as 1 of the ubuntu threads suggested
[02:18] <Radi01> I think there is a trash file/I just havent found it.
[02:19] <tom_> radi01: when u say remove do you mean for apt-get or rm
[02:19] <Radi01> both
[02:19] <tom_> im basically positive rm is permanent
[02:19] <mem2> meh
[02:19] <Radi01> ok
[02:19] <mem2> guess no help on azurues
[02:20] <tom_> mem2: could you use another client
[02:20] <mem2> tom_: thats the kind of solution I expect from morons tom
[02:20] <mem2> I could use gentoo to
[02:21] <mem2> distro that works outright with mp3s etc
[02:21] <Radi01> whats with the name calling.
[02:21] <dixon2> hola a todos
[02:22] <mem2> kubuntu bugfix for azureus issue: dont use it
[02:22] <mem2> surely not
[02:23] <tom_> right but i do not know the solution to your problem
[02:23] <mihai_> tom_ : Still doesn't work after removing it and reinstalling
[02:23] <tom_> if you need to use it then using a different client would be the quickest solution
[02:23] <dixon2> not you espanit
[02:24] <mem2> tom_ thanks for pointing out the obvious
[02:24] <mem2> I appreciate you trying to help
[02:24] <mem2> but if u dont know u dont know
[02:24] <tom_> mihai: you said you installed it from source first correct
[02:24] <mihai_> tom_ : It appears as the program is loading and then it simply doesn't start and closes
[02:24] <dixon2> no hay perosnas que hablen en español
[02:24] <mihai_> tom_ : Yes, i tried but it failed because I assume I did something wrong
[02:25] <tom_> mihai: do you still have the archive
[02:25] <dixon2> not
[02:26] <mihai_> tom_ : No
[02:27] <tom_> mihai: i believe theres a way to remove all the files it made with the source
[02:27] <mihai_> however, i see there still is a folder called "firefox" in /etc/
[02:28] <tom_> mihai: after the source installation failed did you do make uninstall(possibly called something else)
[02:28] <mihai_> tom_ : No
[02:28] <mihai_> I just left it like that
[02:29] <tom_> mihai: did it install with a makefile or a script
[02:29] <mihai_> i think a makefilef
[02:30] <tom_> try downloading and extracting the source again and configure it
[02:30] <tom_> then look at the contents of the makefile and there should be a command like uninstall
[02:30] <tom_> then just do sudo make uninstall
[02:33] <mihai_> ok
[02:36] <tom_> mihai: it doesn't use a makefile but i'll look around for a way to uninstall the source
[02:37] <mihai_> good
[02:37] <mihai_> tom_ : How do I remove a folder with sudo?]
[02:37] <tom_> does it have contents
[02:37] <mihai_> i see some firefox files that are not supposed there
[02:37] <mihai_> i see some firefox files that are not supposed to bethere
[02:38] <tom_> rm -r folder
[02:38] <tom_> with sudo
[02:38] <corinth> I want to download an ISO from opensuse. Would it be faster to use the standard download, or to use bittorrent?
[02:39] <tom_> corinth: how big is the file
[02:39] <corinth> tom: 4.1 GB
[02:39] <mihai_> tom_ : I keep getting all these messages : rm: cannot remove `/etc/firefox//profile/chrome/userContent-example.css': Permission denied
[02:40] <tom_> corinth: i would think bittorrent would be faster if you have it set up properly
[02:40] <tom_> mihai: did u use sudo
[02:41] <mihai_> tom_ : I typed in rm -r /etc/firefox
[02:41] <tom_> put sudo in front of it
[02:41] <tom_> sudo rm -r /etc/firefox
[02:41] <corinth> tom_: What do I need to make sure to do to ensure it is set up properly?
[02:41] <tom_> corinth: your ports are forwarded
[02:42] <corinth> Through my router?
[02:42] <tom_> and a firewall should not be blocking it
[02:42] <tom_> yes
[02:42] <corinth> Thanks.
[02:42] <tom_> you should be able to test it with the client
[02:42] <mihai_> mihai@kubuntu:/etc/firefox$ sudo rm -r firefox/ sudo .......  cannot get working directory ....... rm: cannot remove `firefox/': No such file or directory
[02:42] <tom_> and normally there are indicators at the bottom
[02:42] <spar> Hello
[02:43] <spar> I am loco lol
[02:43] <tom_> mihai: cd .. then type the command
[02:43] <spar> is there a room for video capture?
[02:43] <tom_> or u could just type sudo rm -r /etc/firefox when your not in the folder
[02:44] <danny500> XD
[02:44] <danny500> so ya, is there a room for video capture?
[02:45] <danny500> or does anyone here know about recording tv onto the computer?
[02:45] <tom_> danny500: do you have a tv tuner card for you computer
[02:45] <danny500> yes
[02:45] <danny500> When I try to use it it tells me I need an extender
[02:46] <tom_> what card is it
[02:46] <danny500> no clue
[02:46] <danny500> um I'll check
[02:47] <tom_> mihai: the firefox website says to remove the folder /usr/lib/firefox-<version>
[02:49] <mihai_> tom_: found it, what's the command again?
[02:49] <tom_> the command to remove a folder and its contents?
[02:50] <mihai_> ok
[02:50] <mihai_> i've done it
[02:50] <tom_> wat did u remove exactly
[02:50] <mihai_> the folder /usr/lib/firefox
[02:51] <tom_> try to run firefox
[02:51] <tom_> it should say its not found
[02:51] <tom_> or unknown command*
[02:51] <tom_> command not found**
[02:51] <mihai_> tom_ : The program 'firefox' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:sudo apt-get install firefox
[02:51] <mihai_> thats correct
[02:52] <tom_> yea
[02:52] <tom_> type what it says
[02:52] <tom_> 'sudo apt-get install firefox
[02:52] <danny500> I found what it is
[02:52] <tom_> '
[02:52] <danny500> Asus/ViXS Combo-210E NTSC/ATSC TV Tuner
[02:52] <tom_> what is it
[02:53] <tom_> danny500: you want to be able to record tv with it correct?
[02:53] <danny500> yes
[02:54] <mem2> tom_: my error was caused by having the gcj version of azurues installed
[02:54] <danny500> I have Windows Vista (Ya I know BOOOOOO!!!!!) I'm on here because I'm setting up an Ubuntu 7.10 computer for my uncle because I'm just cool like that. >_>
[02:55] <tom_> danny500: i don't know then idk much about vista
[02:55] <mihai_> tom_: Now i'm still getting the same message The program 'firefox' is currently not installed even after installing it
[02:55] <danny500> has nothing to do with Vista I can figure that out myself I just need to know what the unit is called
[02:56] <tom_> mihai: try installing it with adept
[02:56] <danny500> I know there is another unit that connects to the tv tuner and you plug your tv into that I just don't know what it's called
[02:56] <tom_> danny500: do you want to hook up the cable or something like svideo or rca
[02:57] <danny500> rca
[02:57] <tom_> what inputs does the card have
[02:58] <danny500> cable-ntsc- cable atsc Audio/Visual RCA in
[03:00] <tom_> danny500: i'm not sure i understand your problem   u are unable to phisically hook up your tv to the card?
[03:00] <danny500> ya I know thats gay
[03:00] <danny500> wait nvm, I figured it out
[03:00] <tom_> does the tv have any outputs
[03:00] <danny500> this is what I needed
[03:00] <danny500> http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=547&sec=1
[03:01] <mihai_> tom_: still doesnt work
[03:01] <Evil_> when I try to sudo apt-get install g++, it wants me to put in the kubuntu disk, anyway to not have to? (sorta lost it lol)
[03:01] <tom_> danny500: you know that just lets you access the media center from your tv
[03:02] <mihai_> tom_: there was still a firefox directory in /opt/ with a bunch of files
[03:02] <mihai_> even after uninstalling the program
[03:02] <tom_> mihai: typing firefox in the terminal still says its not installed
[03:02] <mihai_> yesd
[03:03] <mihai_> and i can't install/remove it either from terminal
[03:03] <mihai_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:03] <tom_> thats b.c u have adept open
[03:03] <mihai_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:03] <mihai_> oh
[03:03] <tom_> u need to close adept before using it
[03:03] <mihai_> lol
[03:04] <flaccid> !adeptfix
[03:04] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[03:07] <mihai_> mihai_ : still nothing
[03:07] <tom_> does sudo apt-get install firefox return an error
[03:07] <mihai_> no
[03:08] <tom_> it says its installing it each time you type it
[03:08] <mihai_> every time yes
[03:09] <tom_> apt-get remove says its not installed?
[03:10] <tom_> also try sudo apt-get purge firefox
[03:11] <mihai_> ok
[03:11] <mihai_> what does that do?
[03:11] <mihai_> remove it?
[03:11] <tom_> purge removes basically every trace
[03:12] <mihai_> i did
[03:12] <mihai_> let me reinstall now
[03:12] <mihai_> The program 'firefox' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[03:12] <mihai_> sudo apt-get install firefox
[03:12] <mihai_> even after purge and installing again
[03:12] <mihai_> maybe i should restart
[03:13] <tom_> it may help but i dont see how it would
[03:14] <Impiety> Radi01: hey, I figured something else about amarok
[03:15] <Impiety> it works if i use root
[03:15] <Impiety> like mp3s play only if i use sudo amarok
[03:15] <Impiety> otherwise it doesn't
[03:16] <mihai_> I might as well switch back to Ubuntu
[03:16] <mihai_> from Kubuntu
[03:16] <mihai_> i'm having a bunch of problems with it
[03:17] <tom_> how long have you had kubuntu for
[03:17] <mihai_> ~15 hours
[03:20] <Radi01> what did U find ut.
[03:20] <Impiety> mp3s play as root
[03:20] <tom_> he can play mp3s when hes root
[03:20] <Impiety> in amarok
[03:20] <Impiety> so, I dunno what else to do
[03:20] <Radi01> no errors
[03:20] <Radi01> ?
[03:20] <Impiety> nope
[03:21] <Impiety> no errors at all
[03:21] <Impiety> works perfectly
[03:21] <Radi01> 2 weird
[03:21] <Impiety> yeah
[03:21] <Impiety> there's gotta be a permissions problem somewhere
[03:21] <Impiety> but i have no idea where to look
[03:21] <Impiety> i'm looking in libs
[03:21] <Impiety> err /usr/lib
[03:21] <Impiety> but
[03:21] <tom_> see what groups your in
[03:21] <Impiety> yeah
[03:21] <Impiety> hrm
[03:21] <Impiety> good idea
[03:28] <Impiety> umm
[03:28] <Impiety> my groups are fine
[03:28] <Impiety> this is frickin' weird
[03:28] <Radi01> sudo apt-get uninstall ./Bill Gates.
[03:29] <Radi01> j/k
[03:29] <tom_> yea lol
[03:32] <cje> hi, I am using Kubuntu Gutsy and I would like to set the default view for tree view, as opposed to icon view.
[03:32] <cje> How do I do this
[03:32] <Viper> Damn... is it strange that the #ubuntu channel is so much more talkative then this one?
[03:36] <theverant> is there a way to get multiple file selection in dolphin preview mode to select files a, ..., z in a filname based line, instead of a -> z as a physical line, depending on how the view window is opened?  IE the way that Windows Explorer allows multiple selections to happen from icon or preview view modes?
[03:36] <Radi01> Most that use ubuntu downloaded it first not knowing about kubuntu.
[03:36] <theverant> it's making me crazy that it selects all the files straight down, instead of all the files between two given files
[03:40] <theverant> seems like there should be a hot key to enable that functionality... it's making me crazy
[03:40] <Impiety> oooooooohhhh
[03:42] <Impiety> Radi01: I figured it out
[03:42] <Impiety> !!!!
[03:42] <Radi01> what was it
[03:42] <Impiety> well
[03:42] <Impiety> I don't really know
[03:42] <Radi01> lol
[03:42] <Impiety> but instead of using amarok
[03:42] <Impiety> i found this thingy
[03:42] <Impiety> in /usr/bin
[03:42] <Impiety> it said kubuntu-media-amarok
[03:42] <Impiety> it's an executable
[03:42] <Impiety> so, I tried it
[03:42] <Radi01> ah
[03:42] <Impiety> and it worked
[03:43] <Impiety> so umm
[03:43] <Radi01> can U axcess the icon now
[03:43] <Impiety> well
[03:43] <Impiety> I changed it
[03:43] <Impiety> the way it was in the menu
[03:43] <Impiety> so instead of amarok, i used the kubuntu-media-amarok
[03:43] <Impiety> and it works
[03:43] <Radi01> nice..did U load the libvisuals too
[03:43] <Impiety> yeah
[03:44] <Radi01> nice job it should work good
[03:44] <Impiety> I just don't understand why that worked and the other thing didn't
[03:44] <Radi01> maybe deleting xine it saved the exe for amarok
[03:44] <Impiety> it's possible
[03:45] <Impiety> ohh
[03:45] <Impiety> haha
[03:45] <Impiety> nevermind,
[03:45] <Impiety> i'm retarded that had nothing ot do with it
[03:45] <Radi01> c'mon tell me
[03:45] <Radi01> lol
[03:45] <Impiety> i updated something
[03:45] <Impiety> wiht synaptic, i added a couple more repositories
[03:45] <Radi01> ah ha
[03:45] <Impiety> and it upgraded libxine
[03:46] <Impiety> so it was libxine being dumb
[03:46] <Radi01> I did mine and that didnt happen to me
[03:46] <Impiety> yeah
[03:46] <Radi01> sudo apt-get update  ?
[03:47] <Impiety> I must have messed up something
[03:47] <Impiety> somehow
[03:47] <theverant> anyone know of a good eBay watcher for KDE kinda like JBidwatcher?
[03:47] <Impiety> well, i used synaptic
[03:47] <Radi01> ah
[03:47] <Impiety> i'm lazy
[03:47] <mihai_> i judst installed Chimera on Kubuntu but don't know how to run it ?
[03:47] <Radi01> next time use sudo
[03:47] <Impiety> either way
[03:47] <mihai_> does any one know the command to run it?
[03:47] <Impiety> well, Radi01thanks for all of the help, i'm relieved now
[03:48] <Radi01> any time buddy anytime
[03:49] <Radi01> try ubuntu mihai..most of the tech here are sleeping
[03:49] <Viper> I've never heard of Chimera...
[03:49] <mihai_> ok
[03:50] <Viper> Did you install it via apt-get?
[03:50] <mihai_> yes
[03:50] <mihai_> it's a web browser
[03:50] <flaccid> do you have a comand chimera
[03:50] <mihai_> since i can't get firefox to work and Konqueror is horrible
[03:50] <mihai_> i tried it
[03:50] <flaccid> where did you d/l it from
[03:51] <Viper> how bout find / -name "chimera"
[03:51] <Viper> that'll look for any file named chimera on your system...
[03:51] <flaccid> or wheris chimera
[03:51] <flaccid> or which chimera
[03:51] <flaccid> but they are unlikely to work
[03:51] <flaccid> whereis
[03:52] <flaccid> isn't chimera like pretty old
[03:53] <Radi01> but mihai cant get firefox to work..no one knows how.
[03:53] <flaccid> whats the problem with firefox
[03:53] <mihai_> well
[03:53] <mihai_> it won't simply not load
[03:53] <flaccid> goto konsole
[03:53] <mihai_> i tried installing and reinstalling all over again
[03:53] <flaccid> type firefox
 and then pastebin output
[03:54] <timberwolf_> Hey when is the new package for firefox 2.0.0.11 going to be available.  the current upgrade to 2.0.0.10 won't let me print pages for some odd reason.  Samething happened in Windows.
[03:54] <mihai_> The program 'firefox' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[03:54] <mihai_> sudo apt-get install firefox
[03:54] <mihai_> this is what i'm getting
[03:54] <mihai_> even though it's installed
[03:54] <Viper> why can't you install it via apt-get mihai?
[03:54]  * flaccid waits
[03:54] <mihai_> i can
[03:54] <mihai_> and i did already..
[03:54] <mihai_> but it won't work either
[03:55] <flaccid> !doesntwork
[03:55] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[03:55] <Viper> FF did install?
[03:55] <mihai_> yes
[03:55] <Radi01> lol
[03:55] <Viper> what output do you get when you type in /usr/bin/firefox in the konsole?
[03:56] <Viper> And are you using a 64-bit OS... I don't think my FF installed come to think of it either.....
[03:56] <mihai_> yes
[03:56] <mihai_> i'm using 64
[03:57]  * flaccid still waits
[03:57] <Radi01> there it is..U need 32 bit
[03:57] <Radi01> ff
[03:57] <mihai_> hmmmmmmmmmmmm
[03:57] <flaccid> paste uname -a please
[03:57] <flaccid> paste something at least heh
[03:58] <mihai_> Linux kubuntu 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Sun Oct 14 21:45:15 GMT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[03:58] <flaccid> and can you paste the others requested to to pastebin
[03:59] <Viper> I think I just ended up downloading the FF binary from their website using konqueror and copying it into /usr/local....
[04:00] <Radi01> Most that have 64 bit use flash they need 32 bit ff.
[04:00] <flaccid> i'll wait for more output to see the problem
[04:00] <flaccid> but 64bit firefox works
[04:00] <t1n0m3n> so I am installing kubuntu on my laptop upgrading from 32 bit to 64 bit 7.10....  The network connection is incredibly slow.  I have tried both wireless and wired and surfing the internet is moving like molasses.  http://www.linuxquestions.org/ takes like 10 to 15 seconds to load.  I am doing the adpet upgrade and it has taken over 2 hours now...  any ideas on where to look?
[04:00] <flaccid> and this is a cool project: http://ubuntuzilla.wiki.sourceforge.net/
[04:01] <t1n0m3n> Dell Precision M90 - Kubuntu 7.10/Core2Duo T7400/Intel 3945 Wireless/200G 7200rpm HD/2G 667mhz Ram/Quadro FX2500M
[04:01] <Viper> For me, 64-bit FF works, but no add-ons work with it, that's why I ended up downloading the official version from their website.
[04:01] <flaccid> !opera
[04:01] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[04:02] <flaccid> just use opera and be done with it if you can't paste output from firefox command..
[04:03] <mihai_> i'll just get opera..
[04:03] <t1n0m3n> ifconfig doesnt show an excessive amount of errors either
[04:03] <flaccid> test ping replies and dns lookups t1n0m3n
[04:03] <flaccid> as well as traceroute
[04:05] <t1n0m3n> 29 to 31 ms to google...
[04:05] <flaccid> anyone know of a script or way to echo your current amarok mp3 title and artist in konversation ?
[04:05] <flaccid> and no packet loss
[04:05] <flaccid> or very little?
[04:05] <t1n0m3n> 0 packetloss
[04:05] <flaccid> and how long are dns lookups taking
[04:05] <flaccid> fast?
[04:06] <t1n0m3n> cant traceroute yet, package not installed yet... still waiting on adept to do its thing
[04:06] <flaccid> host google.com
[04:06] <t1n0m3n> dns lookups seem normal... i.e instant
[04:06] <flaccid> ok
[04:06] <flaccid> do you know how to use wget?
[04:06] <t1n0m3n> oh, hehe, yep, lemme get it
[04:07] <flaccid> test some small and large files wget in /tmp
[04:07] <flaccid> if you see no bottleneck there
[04:07] <flaccid> then i guess its in application layer
[04:07] <flaccid> or userspace
[04:07] <t1n0m3n> k
[04:07] <flaccid> how many browsers you tested?
[04:08] <t1n0m3n> konquerer
[04:08] <Minifig> !samba
[04:08] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[04:08] <flaccid> try opera and firefox
[04:08] <flaccid> if you have same problem then hmm
[04:08] <t1n0m3n> This is just now installed
[04:08] <t1n0m3n> kk
[04:08] <flaccid> also start the browsers from konsole to see errors
[04:08] <t1n0m3n> ahh, cool, that works
[04:10] <mihai_> flaccid i installed opera using sudo aptitude install opera
[04:10] <mihai_> How do I run it now?
[04:11] <flaccid> opera
[04:11] <mihai_> yes
[04:11] <flaccid> or opera & from konsole to go to background for example
[04:12] <mihai_> i tried typing opera
[04:12] <mihai_> bash: opera: command not found
[04:13] <flaccid> what does dpkg -l | grep -i opera return?
[04:13] <mihai_> ii  eject                                      2.1.5-2ubuntu2
[04:13] <mihai_> ejects CDs and operates CD-Changers under Li
[04:14] <flaccid> its not installed ..
[04:14] <flaccid> are you sure they are being installed?
[04:14] <t1n0m3n> interesting.  everything I try to download, downloads at 7.2KBps
[04:15] <flaccid> right
[04:15] <flaccid> what is shaping you ?
[04:15] <mihai_> flaccid: well after i typed sudo aptitude install opera looks like it got installed
[04:15] <flaccid> mihai_: pastebin the output from that command
[04:15] <flaccid> !pastebin | mihai_
[04:15] <ubotu> mihai_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:16] <mihai_> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46401/
[04:16] <flaccid> you could be shaped around 64kbps
[04:17] <Minifig> Can anyone help me with getting KDE to see my Windows shared folder, please.
[04:17] <Minifig> I have samba installed.
[04:17] <t1n0m3n> it has to be this machine then, 32 bit kubuntu on the same laptop (I have multiple HDs) downloads at around 600 to 620 KBps
[04:17] <flaccid> mihai_: what does the command which opera return?
[04:17] <t1n0m3n> or 5Mbps
[04:18] <flaccid> thats weird t1n0m3n
[04:18] <mihai_> mihai@kubuntu:~$ opera
[04:18] <mihai_> bash: opera: command not found
[04:18] <t1n0m3n> I think it may be a driver issue and maybe the adept update will fix it
[04:19] <flaccid> your packages don't seem right mihai_ 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 3 to remove and 42 not upgraded.
[04:19] <flaccid> some important libs in there i think
[04:19] <mihai_> why it that
[04:19] <Minifig> I get this error message: 'Could not connect to host for smb://minigroup/'
[04:19] <mihai_> ok
[04:19] <t1n0m3n> I am 96% into this 2.5 hour update, I think I will see soon
[04:19] <Viper> minifig: Are you trying to share your linux folders to win, or access your windows machine from linux?
[04:20] <flaccid> mihai_: i would recommend regenerating your sources/making sure they are right then update and upgrade to make sure your system is complete. reinstall the meta pacakges ubuntu-minimal and kubuntu-desktop
[04:20] <flaccid> something is not right
[04:20] <t1n0m3n> its smb:/    one slash
[04:20] <Minifig> I am trying to have Linux access Windows 98SE.
[04:20] <flaccid> pastebin sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade ..
[04:20] <Viper> LOL, gl.... win98 folder sharing SUCKED!
[04:20] <Minifig> I have 98 with sharing enabled and one folder shared.
[04:20] <Radi01> haha
[04:21] <t1n0m3n> smb:/minigroup/
[04:21] <Viper> It was bad enough getting XP to even read those shares!
[04:21] <mihai_> flaccid : ok
[04:21] <Minifig> 98<>XP is a b...  lol
[04:21] <Viper> Try the IP address instead...
[04:21] <flaccid> you can try #samba . its not that basic and im a bit busy sorry
[04:21] <flaccid> test with smbclient
[04:22] <Radi01> My dog ate my 98 disk..he then ran away from home.
[04:22] <Minifig> lol
[04:22] <flaccid> 98 is discontinued by m$ and is a security threat
[04:23] <Radi01> I learned on 98   what a nite mare.
[04:23] <Radi01> I installed once a week
[04:23] <flaccid> horrible stuff it was
[04:23] <Viper> Easiest way to get the 98 HDD shared to a linux box: Buy an IDE-USB adapter... plug HDD into adapter, plug adapter into Linux!
[04:23] <t1n0m3n> Minifig : what did using one slash return?  smb:/minigroup/
[04:24] <Radi01> dont use (promise)
[04:24] <Radi01> junk
[04:24] <Minifig> smb:/minigroup/ turned into smb://minigroup/
[04:24] <t1n0m3n> ahh
[04:25] <Minifig> I like 98, especially since I have an old PC.  lol
[04:25] <Minifig> I use it constantly and no problems.
[04:25] <flaccid> smb4k is handy
[04:25] <flaccid> !info smb4k
[04:25] <ubotu> smb4k: A Samba (SMB) share advanced browser for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.4-1 (gutsy), package size 1788 kB, installed size 3832 kB
[04:25] <Minifig> If you want a laugh, I had 98SE running 2 weeks before I finally turned off the PC.  166Mhz 128MB PB computer.
[04:25] <Radi01> I worked it to death..
[04:25] <t1n0m3n> it stays one slash in dolphin for me
[04:25] <Viper> At least 98 is still a better OS then Vista.....
[04:25] <Radi01> ya
[04:25] <flaccid> you can use dif auth settings in the config of smb4k..
[04:26] <flaccid> Viper: its not
[04:26] <Minifig> Friends don't let friends use ME or Vista.
[04:26] <Radi01> lo
[04:26] <Minifig> brb
[04:26] <Radi01> I use 2k  it inmho is pretty good
[04:26] <Viper> flaccid: 98 may not be quite as secure... but it sure is a helluva faster then vista!
[04:27] <Viper> and it may not be able to network with anything....
[04:27] <Viper> Nor can you really use that ancient OS for anything more then Sol.exe... but still ^_^
[04:27] <mihai_> Has anyone tried BeOS/Zeta?
[04:28] <flaccid> speed means nothing. 98 has no firewall.
[04:28] <Radi01> I used zone labs.
[04:28] <Radi01> had t
[04:28] <Radi01> to'
[04:28] <Minifig> I use Windows 98 with the POwer Pack and Revolutions installed.
[04:28] <Ahmuck>  6613 ?        S      0:06 d3lphin -icon d3lphin -miniicon d3lphin -caption Dolphin system:/media
[04:28] <Ahmuck> does that look right?
[04:28] <Viper> Yeah, I'd prefer ZA or Linux over M$'s firewall anytime.
[04:28] <Ahmuck> d#lphin ?
[04:29] <Radi01> dolphin
[04:29] <Ahmuck> yes, but look at the process.  it says d#lphin
[04:29] <Ahmuck> er, d3lphin
[04:29] <EightiesK> hey is EDUbuntu kde or gnome?
[04:29] <Radi01> thats the old name
[04:29] <Ahmuck> ah, ok
[04:30] <adamonline46> Can anyone help me get to this channel using kopete?  I seem to be lame... 8)
[04:30] <kub^> hi have a noob question with amarok, when i install a new style it just stays the same, do i need to restart x or something?
[04:31] <Minifig> Load kopete and add IRC
[04:31] <Minifig> Choose Freenode
[04:31] <underdog44> can somebody here help me with an stunnel4 probelm?
[04:31] <Minifig> then join channel #kubuntu
[04:31] <Viper> The themes are buggy in amarok... You may need to reboot...
[04:31] <Viper> minifig, we're in kubuntu...
[04:31] <Minifig> I am using Kopete right now as my main messenger.
[04:32] <Dr_willis> kub^,  perhaps restart amarok.
[04:32] <Minifig> Viper someone asked how to get here in Kopete.
[04:32] <kub^> tried restarting amarok i'll give restarting x a go or rebooting pc, thanks :)
[04:32] <Minifig>  Can anyone help me get to this channel using kopete?  I seem to be lame...
[04:33] <flaccid> Minifig: use /join #kubuntu
[04:33] <Minifig> That was from adamonline46
[04:33] <Dr_willis> Minifig,  you mean to say you cant figre out how to use kopete?
[04:33] <Minifig> No, I was answering the message from adamonline46
[04:33] <Viper> Oh, not paying attention.... right right
[04:33] <Dr_willis> heh
[04:33]  * Dr_willis goes back to sleep/
[04:33] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:33] <Minifig> I adore Kopete.
[04:33] <Dr_willis> ill stick with xchat for now
[04:33] <Minifig> I am actually adoring Linux also.  lol
[04:33] <Viper> Kopete is cool, until you connect to Y! on another machine with kopete still connected....
[04:34] <Radi01> I like my paper cup.
[04:34] <Minifig> I used to badmouth and really put down Linux.
[04:34] <Minifig> Not anymore.  lol
[04:34] <Viper> heh
[04:34] <Viper> Once you pop.......
[04:34] <Minifig> lol
[04:34] <Minifig> I have 2 versions installed, if you wanna call it that.
[04:34] <adamonline46> Minifig: It works now!  :O
[04:34] <Radi01> me 2 both
[04:34] <Minifig> Kubuntu Linux and LInux Mint KDE
[04:35] <Minifig> Wonderful adamonline46
[04:35] <adamonline46> Minifig: ty
[04:35] <Minifig> Glad to help.
[04:35] <Radi01> I tried mandrake..what a disaster
[04:35] <Minifig> I tried Mandriva, but not Mandrake.
[04:35] <Radi01> same
[04:35] <Minifig> Oh.  lol
[04:36] <Radi01> it lasted 3 installs and went to the recycle box out back
[04:37] <Minifig> When it comes to using Linux, it helps of you're not a gamer, or not a BIG gamer.  lol
[04:37] <Dr_willis> Minifig,  You do realize that under Linux Mint - you can just install 'kubuntu-desktop'  :)
[04:37] <flaccid> i have to change vid drivers to play games like et
[04:37] <Ahmuck> so what's different about linux mint?
[04:37] <Radi01> mihai is really having a hard time..poor kid.
[04:37] <Dr_willis> Ahmuck,  codecs and a few toher things installed by default.
[04:38] <Minifig> Its quite interesting.  Seems to come with alot more installed than normal.
[04:38] <Dr_willis> Ahmuck,  and a few config tools.
[04:38] <jetsaredim> anyone know of a way to stack multiple xvid video files into a single dvd?
[04:38] <t1n0m3n> ok this is getting weird, I can do a samba transfer at 8.5 MBps
[04:38] <Minifig> Compiz, java, and other hard to install stuff.
[04:38] <Minifig> I still cannot get samba to work.
[04:38] <Ahmuck> jessaredim, as in so you can watch in multiples?
[04:39] <Ahmuck> er, sequence
[04:39] <Minifig> I think it does work in Kubuntu, but not sure how it was done.
[04:39] <flaccid> bbl
[04:39] <Ahmuck> Minifig: smb
[04:39] <Minifig> smb is installed.
[04:39] <Dr_willis> Minifig,  most of that stuff can be installed rather trivially under Gutsy Now. :)
[04:39] <t1n0m3n> flaccid; you think this could be some ipv6 issues?
[04:39] <Dr_willis> You installed the 'samba' package?
[04:39] <Minifig> Yes
[04:40] <Minifig> Could not connect to host for smb://minigroup/
[04:40] <Dr_willis> did you edit the samba config? to enable some shares?
[04:40] <Minifig> No.
[04:40] <Dr_willis> did you givbe the user a samba password?
[04:40] <Dr_willis> There ya go.. :)
[04:40] <Minifig> I am still new to this Linux treasure.  lol
[04:40] <Viper> smb://user@minigroup/
[04:40] <Minifig> Need to make notes.
[04:40] <Viper> or smb://user:password@minigroup/
[04:40] <Viper> But does that work on win98?.....
[04:40] <Dr_willis> install the samba-doc package and read the 'using samba book' thats in the package.
[04:41] <Dr_willis> smb:// is kde's method of giveing samba type ur;s
[04:41] <Dr_willis> urls
[04:41] <Minifig> Will do.  I think I did tell it to install the doc.
[04:41] <Dr_willis> the default workgroup will also need 5to be set right.
[04:41] <adamonline45> Minifig: Any idea how to get rid of the 'topic' being mashed over all the chat text?
[04:42] <Minifig> No.
[04:42] <Minifig> Sorry.
[04:42] <Minifig> Where do I find the samba config file?
[04:42] <adamonline45> Minifig: That's ok...
[04:42] <adamonline45> /etc/samba/smb.conf
[04:43] <Ahmuck> i have a zip drive i added to my pc.  does kubuntu have some type of autodetect?
[04:43] <Ahmuck> ah, nm, i recall that i have ide2 switched off in the bios
[04:43] <Minifig> Thank you.  On the way.
[04:43] <Agent_bob> anyone know a way to make blind bios switch to agp card from pci card which i don't have ?
[04:44] <Viper> eh?  blind BIOS?  are you just trying to activate an AGP card when you also have an on-board GPU?
[04:45] <Agent_bob> Viper no onboard
[04:45] <Radi01> trying to get compriz to work with onboard chip?..lol
[04:45] <Viper> I think I'm lost here... but the bios should switch GPU's automatically.....  if that's what you mean...
[04:46] <Dr_willis> Viper,  yea.. any decent bios Should.. :)
[04:46] <Agent_bob> Radi01 no. trying to get vidio   the bios reset to pci   i dont have a pci vidio card to plug in the thing
[04:46] <Radi01> here is compriz with on board chip
[04:46] <Radi01>  ¿ʇı xıɟ ı uɐɔ ʍoɥ 'uʍop ǝpısdn sı uǝǝɹɔs ʎɯ
[04:46] <Radi01> lol
[04:46] <Radi01> ok
[04:46] <adamonline45> ha
[04:46] <Agent_bob> Viper one would think so.   but this one is old
[04:47] <Viper> LOL, that's awesome...
[04:47] <Viper> Bob: Reset the BIOS with the jumper?...  That may work....
[04:48] <Radi01> i pulled that in #ubuntu/ they didnt like it/ lol
[04:48] <Agent_bob> the ati agp card isn't tripping the switch to make it use it  and i can't get past bios to boot the thing headless       so  "blind bios"
[04:49] <Radi01> no bios?
[04:49] <Agent_bob> Viper i fear that the default is pci rather than agp   and that's how i got blinded
[04:49] <Agent_bob> Radi01 please keep up.
[04:50] <Radi01> ah ok
[04:50] <Viper> Hmm.... that's a good one...
[04:50] <Agent_bob> heh  i don't "cry wolf"   lol
[04:50] <Viper> Is there a GoodWill computer store nearby, or a used computer shop...
[04:50] <Agent_bob> Viper there is "nothing" nearby.
[04:50] <Viper> That's what I'd try.... just buy a cheapy $5 card.
[04:50] <Agent_bob> sand
[04:51] <Radi01> there is a hewlet packard used dept close by
[04:51] <Agent_bob> plenty of sand
[04:51] <Agent_bob> heh how did you know where i was lol
[04:51] <Viper> Well, I wouldn't suggest trying that to get PCI to work... silicate may not be friendly to mobo's....
[04:52] <Viper> Dallas....
[04:52] <Radi01> I still have a paqard bell around some where
[04:52] <Agent_bob> Viper one one think.
[04:52] <Viper> Oh, you're on the level3 network, cool...
[04:53] <Confused> Can someone please, please help me?
[04:53] <Viper> Not if you don't tell us your problem....
[04:53] <Confused> Heheh.
[04:53] <Confused> I just switched to Kubuntu from Winxp.
[04:53] <Agent_bob> Radi01 brand on the tower is "zeos-486"  heh  but it's had plenty of transplants and face lifts maybe a tummy tuck
[04:53] <Viper> Grats on the upgrade ^_^
[04:53] <Confused> I feel as if I had been dropped in the middle of China...
[04:54] <Radi01> a whole 12 mhz?
[04:54] <Viper> That's the general feeling for the first month of so.
[04:54] <Agent_bob> oh don't be silly 486's reached 66mhz without over clocking
[04:54] <yurimxpxman> what's the best browser ID setting to view gmail in konqueror?
[04:54] <Confused> I went out a bought a Wireless USB Adapter.
[04:55] <Radi01> ya I forgot 66 mhz
[04:55] <Viper> Yeah bob, I'd try to find a PCI card laying around somewhere, or borrow it from a friend, etc... that's probably your only choice.
[04:55] <Viper> confused: and you can't get wifi working?
[04:55] <Confused> I tried to install the drivers but Kubuntu doesnt like exe files.
[04:55] <t1n0m3n> well, I am re-installing kubuntu right now and I see the same exact problem, 7.2 KBps to the internet, I guess I will load the 7.10 32 bit install and chalk this up to a bug
[04:55] <Confused> I'm not sure if it works with Linux.
[04:55] <Viper> What's the model of the device?
[04:56] <Radi01> good luck t
[04:56] <Agent_bob> Viper looking that way.   unless i can find a way to make bios attempt a boot with out recognizing any vidio     that's what i was hopping for.
[04:56] <Confused> D-Link WDA-130
[04:56] <Viper> Well, first thing..... erm... what's the package manager called in KDE?....
[04:56] <Confused> DWA***
[04:56] <Confused> eh....
[04:56] <Confused> ^.^?
[04:56] <t1n0m3n> Viper: adept
[04:56] <Viper> Thank you!
[04:57]  * Viper is running Gnome presently.... 
[04:57] <Viper> Open up adept and look for a program called ndiswrapper
[04:57] <Confused> Adept?
[04:57] <Confused> Oh.
[04:57] <Viper> There should be a search option somewhere....
[04:57] <Radi01> @ the top
[04:57] <Confused> I had to transfer that to my computer.
[04:57] <adamonline45> Does anyone here have a core2duo macbook, and perchance be willing to help me out with a couple things?
[04:57] <Agent_bob> Radi01 i said the brand on the tower,  the mainboard has been changed ya know.  k6 cpu  still old but  not 486 class
[04:57] <Confused> And it just gave me a bunch of text documents :(
[04:57] <t1n0m3n> kmenu > System > Adept Manager
[04:58] <Radi01> ya 500 mhz?
[04:58] <Agent_bob> 6
[04:58] <Radi01> ah
[04:58] <Confused> one sec
[04:58] <yurimxpxman> what's the best browser ID setting to view gmail in konqueror?
[04:58] <Confused> gotta run to the other comp
[04:59] <Agent_bob> ie-6 yurimxpxman ?
[04:59] <Confused> It asked me for a password?
[05:00] <Viper> adept did, then enter your password....
[05:00] <yurimxpxman> Agent_bob: haha.. it says it requires activex
[05:00] <Viper> LOL
[05:00] <Confused> What password..o_O?
[05:00] <Viper> your user password
[05:00] <Confused> aah
[05:00] <Confused> k
[05:00] <yurimxpxman> Agent_bob: looks like only the old version of gmail will work with konqueror (must be set to FF 1.5*)
[05:01] <Viper> Anytime you open an application that is an administrative-type program, you need to type in your password.
[05:01] <Viper> It's a security feature on Linux, much like the "Are you sure you meant to click on this file", "Are you sure you wanted to click yes on the previous confirmation?" thing on Vista....
[05:01] <Agent_bob> yurimxpxman i didn't know.   now i do.
[05:02] <Confused> Yay, it opened.
[05:02] <yurimxpxman> konqueror makes me login to everything every time I open it.. is there any way to make it keep those cookies?
[05:02] <Confused> Now what?
[05:02] <Viper> in the search bar, type in     ndiswrapper
[05:02] <Confused> k
[05:02] <Viper> you should see ndisgtk, ndi... common, and utils.
[05:02] <Viper> Right-click -> Request Install.
[05:03] <Viper> It may say that it needs some packages, or dependencies.. go ahead and confirm them.
[05:03] <Agent_bob> hey hey hey,  i got it to boot the linux cd   but there still hasn't been any activity on the monitor...    does linux have to have bios to access vidio ???
[05:03] <Confused> Nothing showed up.
[05:03] <t1n0m3n> yurimxpxman: Make sure tools > HTML settings > Cookies is checked
[05:04] <yurimxpxman> t1n0m3n: yeah, it is.. and I don't have the "treat all cookies as session cookies" checked, either..
[05:04] <Radi01> I think so bob..i once forgot to have my bat in and it kept looking and would not boot
[05:04] <adamonline45> Agent_bob: No, I use efi...
[05:04] <Viper> Somewhere he has to enable 'universe' repository...
[05:04] <Confused> I downloaded ndiswrapper and put the folder to the desktop, but it just gave me a bunch of coding in text documents...
[05:04] <Agent_bob> efi ?   electronic fuel injection ?
[05:04] <Viper> tin || radio, remember where that is in KDE's Adept?
[05:05] <adamonline45> hehheh... no, it's intels new 'bios', used on macbooks
[05:05] <Radi01> oh no
[05:05] <Viper> Confused: If you can help it, don't download source like that... it's not healthy for your sanity ^_^
[05:05] <adamonline45> no me likes it ho
[05:05] <adamonline45> er, tho*
[05:05] <Confused> But someplace online said I was suppose to get ndiswrapper...
[05:05] <Viper> There's a better way to get it...
[05:05] <Radi01> sudo apt-get uninstall ./bill gates
[05:06] <Viper> I'm trying to find where the option is...
[05:06] <Confused> Okay...
[05:06] <Confused> heheh
[05:06] <Agent_bob> lol
[05:06] <t1n0m3n> adept > manage repositories
[05:06] <Agent_bob> sudo dpkg -P bill-gates
[05:06] <t1n0m3n> check the "community maintained" checkbox
[05:07] <Agent_bob> ooops forgot     --force-all ^
[05:07] <t1n0m3n> actually I just check them all
[05:07] <hydrogen> bill gates is community maintained?
[05:07] <Radi01> ya lol
[05:07] <Viper> LOL
[05:07] <t1n0m3n> sorry that was for viper
[05:07] <Confused> :-\...
[05:08] <adamonline45> -purge?
[05:08] <Viper> In the menu Adept, there's an option Manage Reps..  does it do anything for ya?
[05:08] <Confused> I've been searching google for 3 hours on how to use Linux...
[05:08] <Confused> Uhm...
[05:08] <Confused> let me check
[05:09] <t1n0m3n> it is on the menu along the top, confused, inside of adept
[05:09] <Confused> It brought up a list of words that all seem to be faded.
[05:09] <Viper> G.D. people on comcast trying to poke at my ports 1026/1027.. stop it, I'm not running winblows already!
[05:09] <Confused> At the bottom says "New Resp"
[05:09] <Radi01> lol
[05:09]  * Agent_bob needs lessons on how to use a computer...     actually no.  he doesn't need a teacher, he likes being a self made moron.
[05:10] <Radi01> Thats why I use adsl
[05:10] <Radi01> screw scamcast
[05:10] <Viper> Those idiots are fine.. they're safely behind my firewall.  It's just bothersome.
[05:11] <Radi01> me 2
[05:11] <Confused> To install drivers for my Wireless USB Device I need to use the inf files?
[05:11] <t1n0m3n> disable gatuitus pings and you will see hack attempts go down by about 90% over a month or two
[05:11] <Viper> yeah
[05:11] <t1n0m3n> lol
[05:11] <t1n0m3n> *gratuitus* that is
[05:11] <Viper> You need an INF file and the SYS file, probably named similiarly.
[05:11] <Radi01> in firefox?
[05:11] <Confused> yeah
[05:11] <Radi01> firestarter
[05:11] <Confused> I found both of those files... But how?
[05:11] <Viper> ^_^
[05:12] <Viper> Somewhere on that page Adept -> Manage reps., there's an option to enable community, or universe.. something like that
[05:12] <Confused> then what?
[05:13] <t1n0m3n> Viper: it is "Community-maintained Open Source software (universe)
[05:13] <Agent_bob> !repos | Viper this what you want ?
[05:13] <ubotu> Viper this what you want ?: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:13] <Viper> save changes (if any button), and go back to search.... look for ndiswrapper
[05:13] <Viper> Yeah, I'm running gnome, and adept's acting up... so I'm trying to walk him through blindly.. lol
[05:13] <t1n0m3n> it will pop up a reload dialog box too
[05:14] <Agent_bob> are we all playing "blind man's bluff" today ?
[05:14] <Viper> Evidently so....
[05:14] <t1n0m3n> I am running off of the live cd, lol
[05:14] <Confused> heheh thanks alot...
[05:14] <Confused> but..ehmm..
[05:15] <Confused> Do I hit the reset button...?
[05:15] <Viper> yeah
[05:15] <Viper> sure...
[05:15] <Radi01> on that k6
[05:15] <Viper> why not?
[05:15] <Confused> k....
[05:15] <Viper> lol
[05:15] <t1n0m3n> Confused: reload right?
[05:15] <Viper> The reset || reload wtf the is... should get the new list of files you can download.
[05:15] <t1n0m3n> yep
[05:16] <Viper> Then the prized ndiswrapper should be downloadable.
[05:16]  * Viper whispers to tinomen, 'after this we can tell him about Wine ^_^'
[05:16] <Agent_bob> well looks like that box just became spair parts.   not a pci vidio card within miles of here.
[05:17] <Viper> bob, send me your add and $4 for shipping, I'll send ya one ^_^  I've got PCI's o'plenty.
[05:17] <Confused> I'm not on the internet with that computer....
[05:17] <Agent_bob> i'd send you my address.  but then i'd have to kill you...
[05:17] <Radi01> lol
[05:17] <t1n0m3n> Viper: actually the "W" in 7.10 is tons better than it was in 7.04
[05:18] <Agent_bob> and we dont want that.
[05:18] <Confused> My delimma is that I need to find a way that will allow me to install the INF files for the drivers so that my wireless usb will work.
[05:19] <Viper> Yeah, I know!  I tried 7.10 on another laptop, quite nice!
[05:19] <Confused> I hit the manage resp button and it didn't do anything but give me these weird faded links.
[05:19] <t1n0m3n> OK, install is done, brb with installed 64 bit kubuntu goodness
[05:19] <Viper> NDISwrapper allows you to install M$ INF files for wireless devices on linux.
[05:20] <Confused> oh
[05:20] <Confused> Heheh
[05:20] <Confused> Then how do I get ndiswrapper?
[05:20] <Confused> :-D
[05:20] <Viper> Nothing comes up when you go back to the main screen?...
[05:20] <Confused> In Adept?
[05:20] <Viper> yeah
[05:20] <Confused> Unless I searched in the wrong search bar...
[05:21] <Viper> oh wait, does the machine your installing ndiswrapper have internet now?
[05:21] <Confused> Nope
[05:21] <NickPresta> LOL
[05:21] <Viper> ah, tiss be your problem
[05:21] <Confused> :(
[05:21] <Viper> I just caught you saying that above....
[05:21] <NickPresta> Confused, if you don't have internet, you can't install packages from the Repos
[05:21] <Radi01> oi
[05:21] <Confused> But I need to install the inf to get the internet...
[05:21] <Confused> I seem to be in a paradox..
[05:21] <Viper> can't you plug a cable into it?
[05:21] <NickPresta> Confused, if you like, you can download the deb package and transfer it via USB or floppy/CD and install it locally
[05:22] <Confused> That sounds a lot easier.
[05:22] <NickPresta> Confused, give me a minute to get you the Gutsy deb
[05:22] <Confused> Would you be able to provide me with a juicy link?
[05:22] <Radi01> do U have pay pal
[05:22] <Viper> AMD 64 or i386?
[05:23] <NickPresta> Confused, I'm downloading it as we speak
[05:23] <Confused> whats gutsy deb?
[05:23] <Viper> it's ubuntu 7.10
[05:23] <Viper> the fancy name for it....
[05:24] <Confused> I have a 1gb usb, will that work?
[05:24] <Viper> Well, Gutsy is the name, a deb is an installation file, much like M$'s MSI file or EXE installer.
[05:24] <Viper> Yeah, ndis is about 3Mb.
[05:24] <Viper> correction, 500k
[05:24] <tamgo> stupid questions: in kde 4, how do I switch virtual desktops? How do I move plasma icons?
[05:24] <Confused> Er...
[05:24] <Confused> Wait, what am I installing?
[05:24] <Confused> UBuntu or ndis?
[05:25] <Viper> The other machine you are trying to get wifi running on is running Ubuntu, right?
[05:25] <Viper> er, Kubuntu, same diff....
[05:25] <NickPresta> Confused, ndiswrapper-common (http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/misc/ndiswrapper-common) ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 (http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/misc/ndiswrapper-utils-1.9). Click on the "architecture" link to donwload the package
[05:25] <t1n0m3n> tamgo: Ctrl+F1 ... F2 ... etc
[05:25] <Confused> Viper: Yes.
[05:26] <t1n0m3n> Confused: Could you refresh my memory and tell me what WiFi chipset you are using?
[05:27] <Viper> D-Link DWA-130
[05:27] <Confused> Probably one that isn't supported by linux.
[05:27] <Confused> heheh
[05:27] <Confused> Yeah.
[05:27] <t1n0m3n> kk thx
[05:27] <Viper> With ndiswrapper, it should work....
[05:27] <Confused> Uhm..
[05:27] <Confused> Which one am I downloading?
[05:27] <Viper> both
[05:27] <t1n0m3n> breaking out some google goodness so I can learn while viper is helping
[05:27] <NickPresta> Confused, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper#head-f23c29cc02764d709130d736be45147457c69eab Follow those instructions after you install ndiswrapper and have your windows inf file
[05:28] <NickPresta> Confused, you download both the common and utils file.
[05:28] <Confused> k
[05:29] <Viper> I was trying to find the gtk package also...
[05:29] <Confused> Do I have to dl all of those files?
[05:29] <Confused> I clicked the first one, and it gave me like 10 more links.
[05:29] <Confused> lol
[05:29] <Confused> I clicked the list of files...
[05:29] <Confused> vm
[05:29] <Confused> nvm
[05:30] <NickPresta> Confused, you click on your Architecture link (i386, or All, if there is no difference) Then it should give you a list of mirrors
[05:30] <Agent_bob>     well. i guess some days you eat the bear, and some days the bear eats you...     i guess today i'm Ursus repast   ;/
[05:32] <Confused> Sorry.
[05:32] <Confused> Wron botton...
[05:32] <Agent_bob> oh by the way.   does anyone know a way "without doing a full e2fsck"  to set the state bit to "clean" ?
[05:33] <Viper> do the full scan and go to sleep......
[05:33] <Agent_bob> doesn't fit within specified parameters ^
[05:34] <Radi01> What do U want cleaned
[05:34] <Agent_bob> ext2 fs
[05:34] <Viper> HAH!  finally found that damn ndisgtk....
[05:35] <Confused> Yay
[05:35] <Agent_bob> it's not dirty, just marked as such.
[05:35] <Viper> This util will help you also, this way you won't need to mess with the command line.
[05:35] <Confused> Putting the files on my usb
[05:35] <Radi01> kleansweeper?
[05:35] <Confused> <3
[05:35] <Confused> So... Why is linux better than windows?
[05:35] <Viper> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/n/ndisgtk/ndisgtk_0.7.2-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb for x84_64
[05:35] <Viper> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/n/ndisgtk/ndisgtk_0.7.2-1ubuntu1_i386.deb if it's 32-bit
[05:35] <Agent_bob> Radi01 heh no.
[05:36] <Confused> I want to download those aswell?
[05:36] <Viper> Yeah
[05:36] <Viper> One or the other...
[05:36] <Viper> If you have a 64-bit instll, then chose that, if you have a regular, chose the 32.
[05:36] <Agent_bob> Confused    EULA?    price?      doesn't get virii?        support community?
[05:36] <Viper> Or if you have a 64-bit in still....... erm
[05:36] <Agent_bob> business practices ?
[05:37] <Confused> Bob... That went in one ear and out the other...
[05:37] <Viper> M$ newest OS: $400, Linux newest: $0.00
[05:37] <Confused> ohh
[05:37] <Radi01> yay
[05:37] <Confused> Hehehe.
[05:37] <Viper> M$ releases: 6-years apart: linux: 6-months max
[05:37] <Viper> M$: Phone support over in India.....
[05:37] <Radi01> M$ spayware linux not
[05:37] <Viper> Linux: us ^_^
[05:38] <Agent_bob> Confused and did i mention,  that you own your linux os, it's yours.   and you rent the right to use in the way they dictate their os
[05:38] <hydrogen> staying on topic?: priceless
[05:38] <Viper> It's on topic... See linux in the discussion?
[05:38] <Agent_bob> hydrogen he asked.  i'm on topic this time.
[05:38] <Agent_bob> :)
[05:38] <NickPresta> Viper, this is the Kubuntu support channel. General chatter in #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:38] <hydrogen> Viper: I see ms in the discussion as well as linux
[05:39] <jalbert> Linux doesn't get viruses, doesn't need to be rebooted after sofware installation, doesn't need to be defragmented, can read any filesystems of other OSs...
[05:39] <hydrogen> at that point its no longer about support
[05:39] <jalbert> runs faster
[05:39] <jalbert> takes up less space
[05:39] <jalbert> has less bullsh*t in general
[05:39] <Agent_bob> more powerfull
[05:39] <hydrogen> less polished
[05:39] <jalbert> you can actually have control over your machine
[05:40] <Confused> Will I still be able to Run Age of Empires, and various video games?
[05:40] <Viper> possibly with Wine
[05:40] <t1n0m3n> lol spayware
[05:40] <hydrogen> !appdb
[05:40] <ubotu> The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org
[05:40] <jalbert> sure
[05:40] <Agent_bob> hydrogen there aren't very many of us that actually count that as a plus tho
[05:40] <jalbert> Wine, WMware
[05:40] <jalbert> *VMware*
[05:40] <hydrogen> running games in vmware is a lot like pulling ones teeth out through ones cornea
[05:41]  * Viper agrees
[05:41] <Agent_bob> ouch
[05:41] <Viper> your better off with wine.
[05:41] <jalbert> yeah
[05:41] <Agent_bob> one must needs ask, "why remove the teeth?"
[05:41] <jalbert> VMware does have a lot more overhead
[05:41] <t1n0m3n> I run WoW under wine and it works great
[05:41] <Radi01> ram killer
[05:42] <jalbert> yeah most Adobe aps do too
[05:42] <Viper> Confused || Trillis, get those files alirght?
[05:42] <jalbert> so does HalfLife 2
[05:42] <Trillis> yeah
[05:42] <Trillis> Sorry.
[05:42] <Trillis> I've been reading this conversation and entertaining company.
[05:43] <t1n0m3n> you've been reading this converstion to your company?
[05:43] <t1n0m3n> j/k
[05:43] <Trillis> Heheh, no.
[05:43] <Trillis> I've been being talked at by my company.
[05:44] <Viper> ah, well, when you get ready to install them on your machine that needs ndis, either double-click (or single-click in KDE), or in the konsole terminal: sudo dpkg -i ndisgtk_0.7.2-1ubuntu...deb ndiswraper-common-version.dep ndiswrapper-other-file......deb
[05:44] <Trillis> Whilst reading your conversations and gigling inside.
[05:44] <t1n0m3n> kk, was wondering about the nerdiness of your company
[05:44] <Radi01> talking and typing is rude..lol
[05:44] <Agent_bob> linux has traditionally been more for the "hacker" "cracker" "programmer" and "geek"  than for the "point and click, never read the message, just click yes"   type crouds   if you fit any of those you'll love it.
[05:44] <Trillis> I've been more the point and click...
[05:45] <t1n0m3n> my company, that would be normal... but you never know
[05:45] <Viper> I think we could have guessed.... ^_^
[05:45] <Radi01> point and hack
[05:45] <Trillis> Transerfering the files now.
[05:45] <Trillis> Viper I still have to dl the oens you gave me.
[05:45] <Viper> "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a stationwagon flying down the interstate loaded with data tapes"
[05:45] <t1n0m3n> lol
[05:46] <Viper> **or now-a-days:  flying down loaded with USB-keys....
[05:46] <Radi01> my modem is solar powered.
[05:46] <Trillis> Okay
[05:46] <Trillis> I have three files I need to transfer?
[05:47] <Trillis> The two bob gave me and one of the two Viper gave me, correct?
[05:47] <Viper> OMFG.. I need to do an IP-physical address reverse lookup and slap these damn win users who keep trying to access those ports....
[05:47] <Viper> Yeah
[05:47] <Trillis> k
[05:47] <Radi01> prolly queers
[05:47] <t1n0m3n> arin.net?
[05:47] <Viper> No, they're neighbors judging by the IP's.... they're the same subnet as me...
[05:48] <Trillis> okay
[05:48] <Trillis> when I extract them to the comp wth linux, then what?
[05:48] <Trillis> Should I put them any where specific?
[05:48] <t1n0m3n> lol, my video card is saying it needs to resart the comp... weird  I could probably get away with an X restart...  oh well brb
[05:48] <Trillis> Or just drag them on to my desktop?
[05:48] <Viper> desktop
[05:48] <Trillis> k
[05:48] <Viper> click // dbl click on them...
[05:48] <Trillis> nbrb
[05:49] <Agent_bob> heh is that  // right dbl click     or  \\ left dbl click    ?   :)
[05:50] <jalbert> hey can anyone recommend a good irc fileserver?
[05:50] <Viper> erm... ftpd?....
[05:50] <Radi01> what uses those ports
[05:50] <Agent_bob> which ports ?
[05:51] <Radi01> the ones that are being banged @ vipers place
[05:51] <Viper> What?  The ones that these dips keep poking?... it's some micro, erm... other OS.. **looks at H**, program.
[05:51] <Radi01> ah
[05:51] <Trillis> er...
[05:51] <Viper> 1026 and 1027
[05:51] <Trillis> "Utility is not in the path" or some kind of error when I click on them...
[05:52] <Viper> I forgot exactly what they do, but a quick online google will retrieve what they do.
[05:52] <Viper> Ok, then try this:  Open terminal or Konsole (both same)
[05:52] <Trillis> Is this when I go to Adept?
[05:52] <Viper> It's in the menu under system or utilities I think...
[05:52] <Trillis> Guess not.
[05:52] <Viper> type    cd Desktop
[05:53] <Viper> followed by    sudo dpkg -i ndis*.deb
[05:53] <Viper> **and enter your password when it requests is**
[05:53] <Agent_bob> Viper grep in /etc/services   nothing is defaulted there
[05:53] <Radi01> callander axcess porst
[05:53] <Trillis> So I go to the Konsole
[05:53] <Trillis> type in
[05:54] <Viper> It's access radio?  wtf....
[05:54] <Trillis> sudo dpkg -i ndis* .deb
[05:54] <Radi01> i"m not as think as you drunk i am.
[05:54] <Viper> You forgot      cd Desktop
[05:54] <Trillis> damn
[05:54] <t1n0m3n> before I get deep into the google, can anyone tell me the best way to disable ipv6?
[05:54] <Agent_bob> Radi01 sober not me some more ?
[05:54] <Trillis> cd Desktop then sudo dpkg -i ndis* .deb?
[05:54] <Viper> yup
[05:54] <Radi01> hiccup
[05:55] <Trillis> k
[05:55] <Trillis> brb
[05:55] <Viper> I think that'll work.... lol
[05:55] <stdin> t1n0m3n: put "blacklist ipv6" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[05:56] <t1n0m3n> stdin: thx!
[05:56] <Viper> If nothing else, it's good excersize for him....
[05:57] <Trillis> k
[05:57] <Trillis> It filled the konsole up with errors.
[05:57] <Trillis> :-D
[05:57] <Viper> Ahhh, port 1026UDP is that annoying messenger thing....
[05:58] <Radi01> it said allot of spam on that one 2
[05:58] <Agent_bob> the errors are actually encoded clues that linux geeks use to send messages about what really happened to your program.
[05:58] <Viper> Hmm..
[05:58] <Viper> I still think that you should just plug a cable into the box and download the packages that way....
[05:58] <Trillis> Something about dependance issues...
[05:59] <Viper> GAH, we forgot about them...
[05:59] <Trillis> what exactly does the sudo command do?
[05:59] <Trillis> What?
[05:59] <Agent_bob> 42
[05:59] <Viper> sudo allows you to run an application as the 'root' user.
[05:59] <Viper> Or it does 42 according to bob...
[06:00] <Radi01> lol
[06:00] <Radi01> ya 10
[06:00] <Trillis> I thought 42 was the answer to everything?
[06:00] <Trillis> :(
[06:00] <Agent_bob> Trillis   man <any_command_you_want_to_read_about>
[06:00] <hydrogen> and hope that it ships with a man page
[06:00] <hydrogen> or use the awesome man kioslave
[06:00] <INIT_6> to make kde4 run right do you have to have kde4libs?
[06:00] <Agent_bob> hydrogen ubuntu does
[06:00] <jalbert> 42 is the answer to Life, The Universe and Everything
[06:00] <Radi01> when in terminal hit tab 2wice it gives a list
[06:00] <hydrogen> and view it at man:/command in konqueror
[06:00] <t1n0m3n> !42
[06:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 42 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:00] <t1n0m3n> lol
[06:00] <hydrogen> Agent_bob: right, but all commands availible in ubuntu do not
[06:01] <Trillis> Er... Now what am I doing?
[06:01] <stdin> INIT_6: yeah, every kde(4) app needs kde(4)libs
[06:01] <t1n0m3n> err...hmm
[06:02] <Trillis> After the konsole got errors
[06:02] <Viper> well, dependencies are how Linux controls cross-application ... troublefreeness....
[06:02] <Viper> It's late, that's the best terminology I can think of...
[06:02] <Trillis> ah.
[06:02] <Radi01> east coast?
[06:02] <Trillis> What should I do now?
[06:02] <Viper> But, we can rattle off all the deps that those apps need and you can download them, then try to install all at the same time using the dpkg command....
[06:02] <Agent_bob> hydrogen only ones that i know of that don't are bash builtin's and gui crap.    the built-ins     help <blah>   works.      ummmm or there might be a few scripts that ubuntu adds that don't have a manpage    idk about that.  i just  less `which script` on those.
[06:03] <Viper> Or just plug a damn cable intot he machine and run the online updater, which will install all of the deps without you hassling over it.
[06:03] <isa268[FAN]> get a cable and hook it up directly to the net.  IMO
[06:03] <Trillis> would the command just be dpkg -i ndis* .deb?
[06:03] <INIT_6> When i try to install kde4libs and kde4libs-data it breaks. and tried it in command line also.
[06:03] <Viper> radio: Yeah, I'm a few timezones east of ya.
[06:03] <Trillis> The computer is upstairs.
[06:03] <INIT_6> whines about a broken pipe
[06:03] <Radi01> im in the same place
[06:03] <Trillis> And I don't have a long enough ethernet cord to reach.
[06:03] <stdin> INIT_6: just install "kdebase-dev-kde4 kdebase-workspace-dev kdebase-runtime"
[06:03] <Agent_bob> Trillis yes.     sudo dpkg -i /path/to/package-name.deb
[06:04] <Viper> Unplug all the cords, and drag the tower downstaris!
[06:04] <Viper> As long as you don't trip over the down stars..... erm....
[06:04] <Radi01> lol
[06:04] <Agent_bob> and it will error out with the missing dependancies   and you can install them the same way
[06:05] <Viper> don't you mean, it won't error out...
[06:05] <Agent_bob> no. i mean it will.
[06:05] <Agent_bob> but we'll see.
[06:05] <Viper> WEll, it'll just display a notice to intall them too...
[06:05] <Agent_bob> yeah and fail to configure the package
[06:06] <Agent_bob> and thus have to retry to configure it each time dpkg runs
[06:07] <Trillis> o_O
[06:07] <Trillis> okay
[06:07] <Agent_bob> or one might say it will "half install a broken package"   that when you install the last of the deps will become "installed and not broken"
[06:07] <Trillis> I'm going to drag it downstairs.
[06:07] <Viper> ndisgtk requires python >= 2.5, but < 3, ndiswrapper-util, python-gtk, and python-glade2.....
[06:07] <Trillis> I'll be ack.
[06:08] <Viper> See why manually installing software is a pain trillis?
[06:08] <Agent_bob> too late
[06:08] <Viper> I guess he didn't..
[06:08] <Viper> Oh well, he's draggin the machine down anyways.
[06:09] <jalbert> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZN1puUwH0c
[06:09] <Viper> erm, a random utube vide.. do we even want to?..
[06:09] <Viper> Ok, that works
[06:10] <Agent_bob> short answer,  no
[06:10] <t1n0m3n> pasting it to my other machine to watch, this one still cant D/L fast enough to watch it
[06:10] <Viper> don't
[06:10] <Viper> it's worthless
[06:11] <Agent_bob> i still don't know why the bot doesn't auto ban if youtube.com/  is in the url ...
[06:12] <stdin> because ubotu can't ban anyone
[06:12] <Viper> it can't?....
[06:12] <stdin> nope
[06:13] <Agent_bob> not the only bot in the channel
[06:13] <maduser> whats the banning bot?
[06:13] <stdin> it's the only "active" bot (or it should be)
[06:13] <t1n0m3n> ok, I should have listened to viper
[06:13] <Viper> LOL
[06:13] <Agent_bob> i agree you don't want bot wars
[06:14] <Viper> Why not, that could be fun ^_^
[06:14] <maduser> have you ever seen a bot war?
[06:14] <Agent_bob> *!ubotu tell 'otherbot' about help
[06:14] <t1n0m3n> is that where you get 2 bots to respond to each other?
[06:15] <Agent_bob> or kick eachother if they are oped
[06:15] <t1n0m3n> lol
[06:15] <maduser> once on another irc channel i got the banning bot to ban the info bot
[06:15] <joseph> that's always fun
[06:16] <Radi01> We used to get that to happen in icq  was way funny
[06:16] <Agent_bob> why ?     you disrupt the normal chatter for that ?
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[06:16] <Viper> wow.... an IRC infi-loop situation... like the autoaway message being bounced continuesly....
[06:16] <Agent_bob> some people get their jollies in the strangest ways.
[06:16] <stdin> off-topic chat should be in #kubuntu-offtopic ;)
[06:16] <maduser> ok
[06:17] <Agent_bob> unless you are talking to stdin :)
[06:17] <Viper> Yeah we know, just making idle chat since no one is requesting help ATM.
[06:18] <maduser> true
[06:18] <stdin> Viper: yeah, but we have a whole (dead) channel for that :)
[06:18] <t1n0m3n> ok, I need help
[06:18] <maduser> whats the problem?
[06:18] <t1n0m3n> I am having issues installing bonzi buddy
[06:18] <Agent_bob> t1n0m3n 42
[06:18] <t1n0m3n> lol
[06:18] <maduser> you don't need to ask to ask for jelp
[06:18] <stdin> jelp?
[06:18] <stdin> :p
[06:18] <Agent_bob> yelp
[06:18] <t1n0m3n> ok, I just always wanted to say that
[06:19] <maduser> say waht?
[06:19] <t1n0m3n> ask for help installing bonzi buddy on a linux irc channel
[06:19] <Radi01> hahaha
[06:19] <NickPresta> Out of curiosity, I came across 'hot-babe' when looking at medibuntu a couple days ago. I decided to check it out, purely out of curiosity, and it locked up X so bad I had to restart my machine. Anyone else with the same prolem?
[06:19] <NickPresta> s/prolem/problem
[06:20] <maduser> hot babe?
[06:20] <NickPresta> http://dindinx.net/hotbabe/ Might be NSFW but has no nudity
[06:20] <Agent_bob> surely just out of curiosity.  nothing more.
[06:20] <NickPresta> heh. Male curiosity :P
[06:20] <Radi01> honest
[06:20] <Agent_bob> :)
[06:21] <maduser> yeah that what i need
[06:21]  * Agent_bob sheepishly admits to peeking at a magizine cover one time.
[06:21] <maduser> just the cover?
[06:21] <Agent_bob> only once.   and i didn't inhale
[06:21] <Agent_bob> :)
[06:22] <t1n0m3n> Agent_bob: You missed out
[06:22] <maduser> yeah
[06:22] <t1n0m3n> You should always inhale
[06:22] <NickPresta> heh. Well, I'm `cd`ing to /dreamland looking for `more dreams`. Goodnight all.
[06:22] <stdin> off-topic chat should be in #kubuntu-offtopic (and this is definitely off-topic chat)
[06:22] <hydrogen> any plans for kubuntu to redo the sound scheme to be as soothing as microsofts? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/261186
[06:22] <Radi01> chowv nick
[06:22] <Agent_bob> NickPresta shalom
[06:23] <t1n0m3n> I usually turn off all sounds in every OS I use
[06:23] <Radi01> use vlc
[06:23] <Agent_bob> sox
[06:24] <t1n0m3n> so I am not too familiar with linux sounds
[06:24] <maduser> let me see
[06:24] <Radi01> look
[06:25] <Agent_bob> open thine eye young man!
[06:26]  * Agent_bob now imagines at least nine people attempting to raise the core temp of their machines....
[06:26] <Radi01> Mine has auto temp.
[06:26] <Agent_bob> "quick, compile a kernel"
[06:26] <Viper> About sounds, I enjoyed the 'system error' sound of a laptop when the sound system kept defaulting back to MAX volume on each reboot....
[06:27] <Viper> Anyone know if KDE kept the shattering glass error sound in KDE4 that comes with gutsy?
[06:27] <yurimxpxman> what's the name of the program to install deb files?
[06:28] <Viper> dpkg
[06:28] <trillis> Hahah!
[06:28] <Viper> dpkg -i name_of_file.deb
[06:28] <t1n0m3n> OK, so here is the scoop so far:  I can download fast from my XP machine, I download slow from my x64 linux, I download fast from my x32 linux (on the same machine), I download fast from my x64 machine over smb
[06:28] <trillis> I was chatting here last time using a java applet.
[06:28] <trillis> so I was trying to install a java applet and I was lost...
[06:28] <Agent_bob> yurimxpxman apt-get install   if it's in the repos   dpkg -i   if it's on disk
[06:28] <Viper> An issue with a lib in 64?....
[06:29] <t1n0m3n> Viper: I think so, but I have yet to find a similar issue in google.
[06:29] <Viper> trillis: install a java applet?.... you don't install them.. .just make sure that you have java installed and key in java -jar /path/to/java_program.jar
[06:29] <trillis> Viper: I'm on the Linux comp, now what?
[06:29] <trillis> arg..
[06:29] <trillis> Thatpart confused me.
[06:29] <trillis> Something about this wierd SU command.
[06:29] <trillis> Apparently I don't know the password.
[06:30] <Viper> trill, what are you trying to do now, run a java command or adept?
[06:30] <trillis> Well...
[06:30] <Agent_bob> t1n0m3n only a thought,   could be that ipv6 issue   the forums has chatter about.
[06:30] <trillis> Now I'm fine.
[06:30] <trillis> I just need to get the things you told me.
[06:30] <trillis> I hooked this computer up to the internet
[06:30] <Viper> **and su works differently then sudo**
[06:31] <Viper> The load up adept_manager from the menu or sudo adept_manager from the terminal...
[06:31] <Agent_bob> trillis ummm   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install -f          ?
[06:31] <t1n0m3n> Agent_bob: I thought that too, I have put ipv6 in the blacklist and rebooted already
[06:31] <Viper> And Nick, this babe application looks interesting.... you said it broke X?
[06:31] <trillis> just type in sudo adept_manage in konsole?
[06:32] <trillis> manager*
[06:32] <stdin> "kdesu adept_manager"
[06:32] <Viper> Yeah, that'll load the GUI for it.
[06:32] <stdin> don't use sudo
[06:32] <Agent_bob> Viper he signed off already.
[06:32] <maduser> sudo adept_manage
[06:32] <Viper> ah... well it still look interesting none-the-less....
[06:32] <maduser> sudo adept_manager
[06:32] <trillis> Hm...
[06:32] <maduser> doesn't work
[06:32] <trillis> adept manager is open
[06:32] <Agent_bob> maduser no.   you should make it a habbit of advising  kdesu for gui apps.
[06:33] <Viper> And trill, I suppose standard knows KDE a bit more then I do, probably since he's/she's sitting at KDE...
[06:33] <stdin> do not use sudo with GUI apps...
[06:33] <trillis> Standard?
[06:33] <Viper> standard, what is the issue with sudoing GUI's?
[06:33] <stdin> !kdesu
[06:33] <ubotu> In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[06:33] <Viper> stdin == standard in in C++
[06:33] <Agent_bob> maduser ^ see ubotu
[06:34] <t1n0m3n> oh wow stdin, you just gave me an idea on some shell scripts
[06:34] <stdin> Viper: actually "cin" (console in) is the equivalent of stdin in C++
[06:34] <stdin> stdin in just generic :p
[06:34] <trillis> k
[06:34] <trillis> Adept manager open.
[06:34] <Viper> erm... close enough
[06:34] <Viper> Oh, sorry trill... search for ndiswrapper
[06:34] <Agent_bob> Viper also in shell scripting   linux has device /dev/stdin /devstdout /dev/stderr
[06:34] <maduser> kdesudo Adept
[06:35] <trillis> :(
[06:35] <trillis> Broken?
[06:35] <maduser> kdesudo Adept Manager
[06:35] <Viper> Ok, I get it.. it's nearly 2am, I'm tired!  lol
[06:35] <maduser> nothing
[06:35] <trillis> I found the ndisgtk
[06:35] <stdin> maduser: "Adept" is not a program name and neither is "Adept Manager"
[06:35] <trillis> and wrapper
[06:35] <Viper> Trill: ndis doesn't bring anything up?
[06:35] <trillis> I found them.
[06:35] <Viper> Can you install them?...
[06:35] <trillis> But the status says "BROKEN".
[06:35] <trillis> In red.
[06:36] <Viper> what context menu is there (right-click)
[06:36] <stdin> maduser: it's "adept_manager"
[06:36] <trillis> I just requested an install.
[06:36] <trillis> But its not doing anyting..
[06:36] <stdin> trillis: you have to click the apply button to get it going
[06:36] <Agent_bob> i told you to issue the command     sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install -f         then they all said open the package manager...   if done in that order you wouldn't be looking at a broken package.
[06:37] <trillis> "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages"....
[06:37] <Viper> install -f... I'm always hesistant to use force in installing apps...
[06:37] <t1n0m3n> yay firefox is installed... hehe
[06:37] <trillis> heheh
[06:37] <Agent_bob> Viper -f is not force.  it's finish.
[06:37] <trillis> Let me try bobs way...
[06:38] <Viper> Oh... for incomplete installs... OK
[06:38] <Viper> Like I said, I'm tired....  that's the excuse I'm using!
[06:38] <Agent_bob> i'm an idiot,  i don't need an excuse.
[06:38] <Agent_bob> :)
[06:39] <trillis> Unable to lock...
[06:39] <trillis> the admin directory
[06:39] <Viper> sudo
[06:39] <Agent_bob> cause you didn't close the adept
[06:39] <stdin> trillis: you need to close adept too
[06:39] <trillis> hahaha
[06:39] <trillis> oops
[06:39] <trillis> uhm...
[06:39] <trillis> a lot of words came up
[06:39] <trillis> and said DONE
[06:40] <trillis> DONE
[06:40] <trillis> DONE
[06:40] <trillis> DONE
[06:40] <trillis> etc...
[06:40] <Viper> @ not running sudo for graphic apps... Yeah, I remember what that does....   it's kind of annoying when that happens..
[06:40] <Viper> well trill, done is a good thing!
[06:40] <trillis> Do I want to continue?
[06:40] <Agent_bob> yes
[06:40] <Viper> I'm going to guess... yeah
[06:40] <trillis> reading database...
[06:40] <Viper> Since you've only been fighting with this for the past several hours....
[06:41] <trillis> I started this quest around 8 or so... heheh.
[06:41] <trillis> It's no 2am.
[06:41] <trillis> now*
[06:41] <maduser> google your error
[06:41] <maduser> it always works
[06:41] <trillis> I did.
[06:41] <trillis> IWell.
[06:41] <trillis> Actually.
[06:41] <trillis> I didn't have an error to google.
[06:41] <maduser> what happened?
[06:41] <trillis> I accidently found out there was a chat for kubuntu
[06:41] <Agent_bob> no error means no error.
[06:41] <trillis> I'm retarded.
[06:41] <trillis> << Winxp user.
[06:41] <stdin> trillis: try to keep responses on one line, makes it easier to read :)
[06:42] <trillis> Ah, sorry.
[06:42] <Viper> Especially when you have 50 people posting things at the same time...
[06:42] <maduser> i know the fix to your probelm
[06:42] <Agent_bob> now if the packaging cricisus is over i'll let you fellas finish what you started with him.
[06:43] <maduser> trills: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:43] <maduser> run this as root
[06:43] <Agent_bob> maduser heh. no.
[06:43] <maduser> it should work:)
[06:43] <trillis> Right now the last things the konsole said was "(Reading database ... 65809 files and directories currently installed.) Removing ndisgtk... Removing ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 ...
[06:43] <Agent_bob> ok you should be ready to install ndiswarper through adept as they said
[06:44] <trillis> k
[06:44] <Agent_bob> maduser he doesn't have a problem atm.
[06:45] <Agent_bob> maduser you are just a minute behind.  but keep trying. :)
[06:45] <trillis> The only thing showing up on Adept is ndisgtk
[06:45] <maduser> trills do you use a broadcom wireless card?
[06:45] <Viper> erm... Ok, I think you have better luck with the terminal...
[06:45] <Viper> D-Link DWA-130
[06:45] <Agent_bob> and it make Agent_bob look silly to answer pm's in the channel....
[06:45] <trillis> This is my entire dilema.
[06:46] <trillis> Getting to instal those drivers hehehe.
[06:46] <trillis> install*
[06:46] <trillis> So do I want to install the ndisgtk?
[06:46] <Viper> GAH, You jinxed me stdin!  I have that error caused by sudoing graphical apps....
[06:46] <Viper> Yeah
[06:47] <stdin> Viper: so chown your $HOME :)
[06:47] <Agent_bob> lol
[06:47] <Viper> yup...
[06:47] <Viper> problem is that I have well over 500gigs in that dir :(
[06:48] <Agent_bob> own your home     own your own home    !
[06:48] <trillis> I requested Install... But it's not doing anything...
[06:48] <stdin> chown shouldn't take long, takes longer on lots of small files than a few large ones
[06:48] <stdin> trillis: again, remember to click apply
[06:48] <Viper> Takes even longer when it tries to chown a 500gig NTFS drive :(
[06:48] <Agent_bob> stdin even faster if one find ./ first  lol
[06:48]  * flaccid sips tea
[06:49] <trillis> The apply button is fadded so I can't click it.
[06:49] <Viper> LOL, just go back to the command line....
[06:49] <trillis> Maduser: I'd reply to you PM but something about a spam block...?
[06:49] <stdin> !pm > maduser
[06:50] <Agent_bob> you too ?
[06:50] <Dr_willis> Only Registered nicks can PM.
[06:50] <maduser> trills: do you use a broadcom wireless card?
[06:50]  * trillis is back in the konsole...
[06:50] <Viper> No, he has a d-link
[06:50] <maduser> ok
[06:50] <maduser> never mind
[06:50] <stdin> trillis: the command is "sudo apt-get install ndisgtk"
[06:50] <Viper> sudo apt-get install whatever you need
[06:51] <flaccid> sudo apt-get install pkg1 pkg2 ...
[06:51] <trillis> sudo apt-get install ndisgtk
[06:51] <trillis> whoops
[06:51] <Agent_bob> popy and caste
[06:51] <Viper> W00t!  hotbabe compiles!  LOL
[06:51] <Viper> And it REALLY slows down your system!  GAH
[06:52] <trillis> Whats pkg1 and pkg2?
[06:52] <Agent_bob> that's what NickPresta said.   drug it down to a reboot.
[06:52] <trillis> Package?
[06:52] <Dr_willis> Hmm. Hotbabe was in one of the repos. :)
[06:52] <Viper> he's saying that you can install several packages at once.
[06:52] <Dr_willis> severas repo i think.
[06:52] <flaccid> trillis: example names of packages
[06:52] <trillis> Hm... "Package ndisgtk has no installation canditate".
[06:52] <Dr_willis> !find  ndis
[06:53] <ubotu> Found: linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-14-386, linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-14-generic, linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-14-server, ndiswrapper-common, ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 (and 5 others)
[06:53] <Dr_willis> !find  ndisgt
[06:53] <ubotu> Found: ndisgtk
[06:53] <stdin> universe...
[06:53] <Dr_willis> !info  ndisgt
[06:53] <ubotu> Package ndisgt does not exist in gutsy
[06:53] <Dr_willis> !info  ndisgtk
[06:53] <ubotu> ndisgtk: graphical frontend for ndiswrapper (installation of Windows WiFi drivers). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.2-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 18 kB, installed size 172 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)
[06:53] <Agent_bob> Dr_willis yeah you must have missed the Q.   NickPresta asked if it bogged anyone elses system down to a reboot    so all the "guys" in here jumped on the chance to test it.
[06:53] <Dr_willis> There we go. :P
[06:53] <stdin> Dr_willis: you trying to kill ubotu?
[06:53] <t1n0m3n> how do I set the DF flag with ping in kubuntu?  The man page does not say
[06:54] <Dr_willis> Agent_bob,  hotbabe? it never slowed down my systems much that ive noticed.,
[06:54] <Agent_bob> yes hot-babe
[06:54] <Viper> I think that app fights with beryl....
[06:54] <Dr_willis> me pets ubotu.
[06:54] <trillis> erm....
[06:54] <Dr_willis> Everything fights with beryl :)
[06:54]  * Viper pet ubotu
[06:54] <t1n0m3n> ugh, beryl
[06:54] <Agent_bob> !botsnack
[06:54] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[06:55] <t1n0m3n> lol
[06:55] <t1n0m3n> that is a good one
[06:55] <stdin> trillis: easiest way to enable the repositories you need is to (sigh) go back into adept. from there go to the "Adept" menu and click on "Manage Repositories" and then check all the boxes in the first tab
[06:55] <Viper> that line is so humerous.. if you know what it means
[06:55] <trillis> "This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only availbale from another source.
[06:55] <trillis> "
[06:55] <trillis> Aah
[06:56] <Viper> Well, I now have a new program to scp onto someone's machine during a LAN party ^_^
[06:56] <flaccid> check repos/versions
[06:56] <Agent_bob> Viper hot-babe ?
[06:56] <Viper> yup ^_^
[06:56] <Agent_bob> figured.
[06:56] <Viper> Last time it was xsnow, now it'll be this
[06:56] <trillis> What boxes?
[06:57] <Viper> Actually... xsnow is a good trick to do with your classmates in a linux course!
[06:57] <maduser> !xsnow
[06:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xsnow - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:57] <t1n0m3n> in windows ping -f www.google.com means that you are sending a ping with the do not fragment flag set, is there a way to set the DF flag with ping in ubuntu?
[06:57] <Agent_bob> Viper what does xsnow do ?     or is the name obvous enough ?
[06:57] <trillis> I don't see any boxes :(....
[06:57] <stdin> trillis: "box" is a shorthand for "computer system"
[06:57] <trillis> oh.
[06:57] <trillis> heheh
[06:57] <Viper> viperbot: xsnow = application for gnome to make snow appear over the desktop, covering windows and the taskbar... also santa flys across randomly
[06:58] <Agent_bob> stdin actually that time i think it was "check boxes"
[06:58] <trillis> So what am I looking for?
[06:58]  * leileiloll is away: off to play non-Free 2
[06:58] <stdin> Agent_bob: yeah, actually just saw that :p
[06:58] <stdin> trillis: what do you see?
[06:59] <trillis> comment # Line Commented out by installer becase it failed to verify
[06:59] <Viper> I think at this point.. it would just be easier if he initiated a remote assistance connection to one of us... more namingly, stdin.
[06:59] <trillis> There is a few of those, and the some deb http://www.link...blah..
[06:59] <trillis> :-o
[06:59] <stdin> trillis: if you right-click on the greyed out ones do you see an option to "enable" ?
[06:59] <maduser> xsnow = sweet
[07:00] <trillis> Yeah
[07:00] <stdin> trillis: do that for all the ones there that start with "deb http://"
[07:00] <trillis> k
[07:00] <jaime> hello guys
[07:00] <jaime> anybody running laptops?
[07:00] <trillis> Why though
[07:00] <maduser> xsnow looks a liitle laggy
[07:00] <trillis> ?
[07:00] <Viper> I would, but linux hates @ sound drivers && wifi drivers.
[07:00] <t1n0m3n> jaime: Dell laptop here
[07:01] <stdin> trillis: you should see it removing the "#" sigh, that activated the repository. a repository is a site that stores packages you can install with Adept or apt-get
[07:01] <Viper> maduser: I ran xsnow on non-beryl/compiz machines, and it ran fine... they probably just have issues with composite manager.s
[07:01] <stdin> s/sigh/sign/
[07:01] <jaime> t1n03n what vid?
[07:01] <t1n0m3n> jaime: NVidia Quadro FX2500
[07:02] <t1n0m3n> jaime: NVidia Quadro FX2500m that is
[07:02] <Viper> G.Dit.... unblock maduser > Viper plz
[07:02] <t1n0m3n> jaime: Its a Dell Precision M90
[07:03] <Viper> or whatever that command is, as I can't reply to anyone's PM.
[07:03] <jaime> :)
[07:03] <jaime> i'm getting a sony for christmas
[07:03] <trillis> My adept doesnt want to load...
[07:03] <jaime> very nice indeed
[07:03] <jaime> but
[07:03] <stdin> Viper: you have to register, or just join your own channel like ##Viper
[07:03] <jaime> just searching around for a good linux os for it
[07:03] <jaime> i'll bring the specs
[07:04] <t1n0m3n> jaime: kk
[07:04] <jaime> the thing is its a intel card :(
[07:04] <Viper> erm... ok
[07:04] <Viper> ##Viper
[07:04] <maduser> blocked?
[07:04] <t1n0m3n> jaime: like an 815 onboard video adapter?
[07:04] <stdin> !register
[07:04] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[07:04] <jaime> anybody with something like this? http://www.amazon.com/Sony-VGN-FS640-Notebook-Processor-Centrino/dp/B0008EZBSE
[07:04] <Viper> Yeah, I suck at IRC... new to this still...
[07:04] <jaime> dunno
[07:05] <maduser> oh viper is not registered
[07:05] <trillis> k... No do I try and get the ndisgtk?
[07:05] <maduser> I freaked out for a second
[07:05] <Viper> mad, I'm in that channel he just typed, if you click on ##Viper I think you'll go there... maybe
[07:05] <maduser> viper just register
[07:05] <stdin> trillis: did you click the "apply" button after enabling all of them?
[07:05] <trillis> Yes.
[07:05] <Agent_bob> seems i'm for ever having trubble with the clock on these stupid computers
[07:05] <t1n0m3n> jaime: what video card does that use?
[07:05] <flaccid> ntpdate is good
[07:06] <stdin> trillis: ok, is adept still open or did you close it?
[07:06] <jaime> look at the link
[07:06] <jaime> http://www.amazon.com/Sony-VGN-FS640-Notebook-Processor-Centrino/dp/B0008EZBSE
[07:06] <trillis> I closed it, but then reopened it.
[07:06] <t1n0m3n> jaime: I am, but I cant find that paticualr spec
[07:06] <jaime> Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900
[07:06] <stdin> trillis: click the "Fetch Updates" button on the top row
[07:07] <jaime> See more technical details
[07:07] <trillis> holy crap
[07:07] <jaime> click on that
[07:07] <maduser> yo stdin would a remote destop connection or desktop sharing help
[07:07] <t1n0m3n> jaime: ahh, k
[07:07] <jaime> cum on
[07:07] <jaime> :P
[07:07] <maduser> we could do everything directly
[07:07] <stdin> maduser: possibly, but that's way against policy
[07:07] <trillis> Done (100%) is appearing aloottt....
[07:07] <stdin> trillis: yeah, it's updating it's package list
[07:07] <trillis> k
[07:08] <trillis> It brought me back to the main thing...
[07:08] <Viper> in IRC:: How do you change your nick?
[07:08] <trillis> With a bunch of things saying "Not installed"
[07:08] <t1n0m3n> jaime: what is the issue?
[07:08] <jaime> i want to know what hardware would i have trouble
[07:08] <jaime> also does ubuntu support that grahpic card? with full acceleration
[07:09] <jaime> without doing mods
[07:09] <stdin> trillis: in the search box type in "ndisgtk", it'll then filter and you'll see the package in the list. just right click and request install
[07:09] <stdin> trillis: then click apply
[07:09] <intelikey> ooops
[07:09] <t1n0m3n> jaime: have you checked out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54544
[07:09] <intelikey> what am i missing here?   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d64dde806   if anyone knows...
[07:10] <trillis> Yay.
[07:10] <trillis> It's installing.
[07:10] <Viper> one min. mad, I'm figuring out how to change my nick...
[07:10] <maduser> installing does not mean it will work
[07:10] <stdin> Viper: /nick newnick
[07:11] <Viper> oh.. that all?
[07:11] <maduser> i have that millions of times
[07:11] <eVipere> oooooh, I see ^_^
[07:11] <trillis> k
[07:11] <trillis> it finished installing
[07:12] <trillis> Now how can I install the inf file?
[07:12] <stdin> trillis: you should now see a new entry in KMenu > System   called "Windows Wireless Drivers"
[07:12] <stdin> that's the tool you use
[07:13] <trillis> I saw that awhile ago...
[07:13] <stdin> it wasn't installed properly back then, but it is now
[07:13] <trillis> hm...
[07:13] <jaime> what other issue i need to look for
[07:14] <trillis> Why isn't it starting up?
[07:14] <jaime> is kubuntu easy to learn?
[07:14] <t1n0m3n> jaime: I think it is easier than most
[07:14] <eVipere> Yeah.... for the most part
[07:15] <intelikey> jaime no.  you will spend more than 8 hours trying to learn it all.
[07:15] <maduser> not as easy as ubuntu
[07:15] <trillis> I clicked the wireless devices but nothing happened... :(
[07:15] <eVipere> Isn't it under something else?...
[07:15] <stdin> trillis: has it opened?
[07:15] <trillis> No.
[07:15] <stdin> trillis: just press Alt-F2 and put in "kdesu ndisgtk" then
[07:15] <jaime> hm
[07:15] <t1n0m3n> jaime: any linux is a mindset change from windows.... that is the hardest part
[07:15] <jaime> yea i suck on learning too
[07:15] <maduser> runing form the teminal
[07:15] <jaime> windows just work out of the box
[07:16] <jaime> installing driver so easy
[07:16] <jaime> is kubuntu meant for me?
[07:16] <maduser> is it?
[07:16] <jaime> i want one that is easy to config
[07:16] <jaime> dunno
[07:16] <intelikey> try it and see,   you are the only one that can deside that.
[07:16] <jaime> man i'm running gentoo right now
[07:16] <trillis> yay
[07:16] <trillis> It opened.
[07:16] <jaime> sabayon linux
[07:16] <eVipere> Oh, I guess it is called "Windows Wireless Devices"...
[07:16] <jaime> works out of the box
[07:17] <jaime> ubuntu i cant get acceleration working on nvidia 6200
[07:17] <t1n0m3n> jaime: Not necessarily, there is a lot that even I take for granted about Windows, that is a complete reverse in linux
[07:17] <stdin> trillis: click "Install new driver" and locate the .inf file
[07:17] <jaime> dist like window, that works most hardware without needing to update drivers?
[07:18] <intelikey> so   troll here often ?
[07:18] <jaime> in windows i'm crazy i love keeping up to date, same to driver and games patches and 3rd party application
[07:18] <trillis> It's not thinking at all...
[07:18] <t1n0m3n> intelikey: I think jaime has a valid ?
[07:18] <trillis> I selected the inf.
[07:18] <videoeddie_> asl
[07:18] <trillis> But it was directly from a CD>
[07:19] <videoeddie_> aasl
[07:19] <stdin> !ot | videoeddie_
[07:19] <ubotu> videoeddie_: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:19] <t1n0m3n> jaime: however, I have spent a lot of time on windows and take for granted the methods used to make things work
[07:19] <trillis> I hit the install button and it doesn't do anything.
[07:19] <Lynoure> jaime: Linspire I think is the one that tries to be most Windows-like, but so far, I have had to update drivers way more often in Windows than Linux. But I did choose hardware with a thought.
[07:20] <stdin> trillis: does it show anything in the main window?
[07:20] <jaime> well windows is so easy to update
[07:20] <jaime> and work many things like linux
[07:20] <jaime> but linspire have their issue too
[07:20] <trillis> Currently Installed Windows Drivers: Is blank.
[07:20] <Lynoure> jaime: apt-get dist-upgrade  is easy to me. :)
[07:20] <jaime> hm
[07:20] <mikeo> anyone have problems with their whole computer locking up (laptop) with kubuntu?
[07:20] <jaime> is kubuntu debian?
[07:21] <eVipere> yeah
[07:21] <intelikey> debian based
[07:21] <Lynoure> jaime: it's based on Debian.
[07:21] <stdin> trillis: did you click ok the inf and click "open"
[07:21] <mikeo> seems to be when opening lots of windows with compiz-fusion
[07:21] <eVipere> it's Debian + KDE + a commercial company.
[07:21] <mikeo> firefox or konqueror
[07:21] <trillis> Yes, then install.
[07:21] <t1n0m3n> jaime: yes, it is easy to update windows, but it is just as easy to update ubuntu... once you learn where all the tools are... it would work the same way if you were good in linux and were trying to learn windows
[07:21] <stdin> trillis: did you make sure to click the right inf file
[07:22] <trillis> Aah..
[07:22] <trillis> how do I tell which is the right one?
[07:22] <eVipere> You guess....
[07:22] <trillis> hah
[07:22] <eVipere> It should say hardware present if it's the right onw.
[07:22] <trillis> Looks like the autorun was.
[07:22] <trillis> Yeah
[07:22] <trillis> Thats what it says
[07:22] <eVipere> Ok, then I had to run a command to get it to recognize the change.
[07:23] <trillis> Now what?
[07:23] <eVipere> stdin, you'll probably have to correct on this.. but I think it was sudo modprobe -r ndiswrapper
[07:23] <t1n0m3n> jaime: I think the hardest part of linux is trying to unlearn what windows has taught you
[07:23] <stdin> trillis: does it show anything in the main window?
[07:23] <trillis> Yeah
[07:23] <eVipere> followed by sudo modprobe -i ndiswrapper
[07:23] <trillis> "Autorun: Hardware present"
[07:23] <stdin> eVipere: the gui should do it for him
[07:24] <jaime> yea
[07:24] <jaime> is there a channel of
[07:24] <jaime> that talk about different dist
[07:24] <eVipere> it doesn't....
[07:24] <eVipere> at least it didn't for me.
[07:24] <jaime> and speak everything about linux
[07:24] <intelikey> jaime ##linux maybe ?
[07:24] <jaime> ?
[07:24] <stdin> eVipere: it will load it, just won't autoload at boot
[07:24] <t1n0m3n> jaime: for example, windows teaches that your harddrive is c: but that makes no sense in linux
[07:25] <jaime> good job intelikey
[07:25] <trillis> Er.. Now what?
[07:25] <intelikey> t1n0m3n if he's running gentoo i think he's past that stage...
[07:25] <stdin> trillis: ok you can close that and just do "sudo ndiswrapper -m" in konsole
[07:25] <t1n0m3n> just speaking in generic terms
[07:25] <eVipere> Didn't you just tellme that the GUI should handle that?....
[07:26] <trillis> modprobe config already contains alias directive?
[07:26] <stdin> eVipere: I said "it will load it, just won't autoload at boot" < "ndiswrapper -m" makes it autoload at boot
[07:27] <eVipere> oh.... my problem was that the kernel didn't see the new INF driver... that's why I had to do -r followed by -i
[07:27] <stdin> trillis: ok, try rebooting then, without the network cable in. see if it picks up the wireless net
[07:27] <intelikey> and his return seems to indicate that it's already done...
[07:27] <trillis> k
[07:27] <trillis> brb
[07:29] <t1n0m3n> jaime: one thing I will note though.  linux seems to make you learn more about your system than windows does.  You become more "in tune" with your computer than in windows.  It seems to me that windows makes people a bit too far removed from the goings on of their hardware for my taste.
[07:31] <t1n0m3n> jaime: and with that comes a tad bit more complexity
[07:31] <intelikey> t1n0m3n yep.  what i call the "think for them cause they are too dumb to do it themselves" syndrom
[07:31] <intelikey> and i hate to see linux moving in that dirrection.
[07:31] <intelikey> and i'm off topic.
[07:32] <mikeo> lol
[07:32] <intelikey> "why doesn't it just do it for me"  </whine>     >:|
[07:32] <mikeo> is there a good online resource for practical bash scripting
[07:32] <intelikey> mikeo #bash
[07:32] <intelikey> see the topic
[07:33] <mikeo> do you guys know how to write scripts?
[07:33] <mikeo> and did it take you a long time to learn?
[07:33] <intelikey> yes and no
[07:33] <mikeo> cool
[07:33] <t1n0m3n> anyway, that is where I like ubuntu.  not quite easy enough for the casual windows user, but accessible.  and the complexity keeps coming the more you dig into it
[07:33] <stdin> if you can type commands in sequentially, you can make basic scripts script
[07:34] <eVipere> like ps -ax | grep lagging_program
[07:36] <intelikey> echo -e '#!/bin/sh \n\n# this is a test script. \n\necho "now running the test script"\nls -sh \n' > test_script.sh ;chmod 755 test_script.sh        <<< mikeo
[07:36] <mikeo> like cat /dev/urandom
[07:36] <mikeo> are the \n's line breaks?
[07:36] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: haven't seen you around lately
[07:36] <intelikey> yep
[07:37] <mikeo> whats the s flag for ls?
[07:37] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido haven't hung out here much lately
[07:37] <mikeo> i know h is human, but never used s before
[07:37] <intelikey> size
[07:37] <mikeo> and -e for echo?
[07:38] <intelikey> extended   means inturpret the \* chars
[07:38] <t1n0m3n> anyone know how to make the ping command set the "do not fragment" flag?
[07:38] <mikeo> interesting
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: i noticed, but good to see ya again
[07:39] <Daisuke_Ido> but for now, gotta sleep
[07:39] <intelikey> mikeo that's the most basic of scripting.   stdin is considered a pro.  if you need help     and i'll be glad to answer what questions i can if i'm here.   but for advanced bash questions   #bash  is the best bet.
[07:40] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido peace bro
[07:40] <Daisuke_Ido> the missus is dragging me out of bed in 5 hours to go get cookies
[07:40]  * intelikey looks up code word "get cookie"    
[07:40] <intelikey> heh ok.  have fun.
[07:40] <intelikey> :)
[07:41] <trillis> arg...
[07:41] <eVipere> !cookies
[07:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cookies - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:41] <eVipere> sorry intelikey... no help here...
[07:41] <Daisuke_Ido> no, real cookies.  two of the churches have their annual bake sale on the first saturday in december...  unfortunately that's today
[07:42] <trillis> It didn't work :(
[07:42] <Daisuke_Ido> and now, gnight
[07:42] <t1n0m3n> hmm, weird "ping -M dont -s 1300 www.google.com"
[07:42] <intelikey> oh   ok.   well i always liked it when the missus would mention cookies and bed in the same sentance  :)
[07:43] <eVipere> trillis: windows wireless devices shows that it's present, right?
[07:43] <trillis> If I could open that >.<
[07:43] <trillis> It doesn't like to pop up.
[07:43] <t1n0m3n> the flag "-M dont" is equal to the windows "-f" flag?
[07:43] <stdin> t1n0m3n: "man ping" and see
[07:44] <trillis> whats the run command?
[07:44] <eVipere> what does kdesu ndisgtk   reveal?
[07:44] <trillis> sudo ndistkg?
[07:44] <trillis> damn
[07:44] <trillis> Autorun: Hardware Present: No.
[07:45] <t1n0m3n> stdin: man is rather cryptic in this regard
[07:45] <trillis> Should I plug in the usb adapter?
[07:45] <eVipere> yeah....
[07:45] <trillis> heheh
[07:46] <trillis> k
[07:46] <trillis> The adapter should be blinking, but its not
[07:46] <eVipere> That's ok, for right now... does it show hardware presnt?
[07:47] <trillis> nope
[07:47] <eVipere> can you open the ndisgtk app even?
[07:47] <trillis> yeah
[07:47] <trillis> The Wireless networkd driver gui?
[07:47] <eVipere> Ok... go back to terminal and....        dmesg | grep ndis
[07:47] <t1n0m3n> ok, my MTU is 1072 using -M dont  what the h3ll!?
[07:48] <trillis> whoah.
[07:48] <t1n0m3n> do I subtract the normal 28 bytes to get true MTU then?
[07:48] <trillis> Now what?
[07:49] <eVipere> Open a new PM to me or stdin and paste what you get so you don't flood the channel..
[07:49] <stdin> !paste
[07:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:49] <trillis> Can't.
[07:49] <trillis> Says something about spam.
[07:49] <eVipere> ah... that issue... lol
[07:49] <eVipere> Ok, or use pastbin as per stdin...
[07:50] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/pastebin.php
[07:50] <intelikey> try that one.
[07:50] <trillis> cyntax?
[07:50] <asm> hi
[07:50] <eVipere> trillis: The spam thing is because you didn't do /msg nickserv register command....
[07:50] <stdin> trillis: just post the text in and click send
[07:51] <trillis> In here?
[07:51] <asm> i ve a question about how to make kubuntu  in 3 d desktop
[07:51] <asm> any help
[07:51] <t1n0m3n> lol, sorry self inflicted wounds here, I set my mtu to 1100  (1100 - 28 = 1072)
[07:51] <stdin> trillis: no, on the pastebin site
[07:51] <eVipere> paste the URL of the pastebin, not the content.
[07:51] <trillis> k
[07:51] <trillis> posted
[07:51] <stdin> now post the address back
[07:52] <trillis> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46408/
[07:53] <eVipere> stdin:: all up to you on that post... something looks astray with ndis...
[07:53] <stdin> trillis: try posting the output of "grep 'loadndisdriver' /var/log/syslog" to pastebin
[07:53] <trillis> k
[07:55] <eVipere> well, I'm guessing it'll be # 46409 once he gets it posted....
[07:56] <trillis> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46409/
[07:56] <trillis> heheh
[07:56] <trillis> Jesus...
[07:56] <trillis> I've been at this for 6 hours...
[07:56] <trillis> er...
[07:56] <trillis> 7
[07:57] <eVipere> as per the config file, I'm guessing that you may need to reinstall windows drivers.....
[07:57] <trillis> It's on a cd though.
[07:57] <eVipere> You had a .INF and the .SYS files there?
[07:57] <trillis> Yeah
[07:57] <stdin> what's on a cd?
[07:57] <eVipere> preferebly for an XP machine of the same arch.
[07:57] <trillis> yeah
[07:57] <eVipere> Then try a 2000 driver.
[07:58] <trillis> I tried, but the only one that apears in the window of the wireless drivers is the autorun inf file.
[07:58] <eVipere> one sec, let me fish around dlink's website for a second...
[07:58] <trillis> k
[08:00] <eVipere> and just a quickie.. uname -a reveals what on your system?
[08:01] <trillis> Linux 2056 2.6.15-26-386 #1 PREEMPT Thu Aug 3 02:52:00 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:01] <eVipere> Ok perfect, standard XP drivers should work fine
[08:03] <trillis> damn
[08:03] <trillis> I can't find my cdrom directory...
[08:03] <eVipere> Your little device is an 802.11N card?....
[08:04] <trillis> Sounds write.
[08:04] <trillis> right*
[08:04] <t1n0m3n> ok, I have ruled out MTU as being my culprit on my slow internet downloads.  Using the "ping -M dont" I have verified that my laptop is in fact being limited by my DSL to 1492 and I have set me MTU to 1491 and I get the max 7.2MBps download rate.  Weird thing is, that if I set my MTU to 1100 or so, my max download rate drops considerably.  Which makes no sense to me.
[08:05] <t1n0m3n> yet another potential issue eliminated
[08:07] <trillis> The inf file that seems to work is the Autorun.
[08:07] <trillis> hm... I wonder..
[08:08] <eVipere> no... whatever your thinking.... no
[08:08] <trillis> Oh :(
[08:08] <trillis> LOL
[08:09] <trillis> It worked.
[08:09] <eVipere> what did?
[08:09] <trillis> Kinda I suppose.
[08:09] <trillis> There were three inf files there.
[08:09] <trillis> one for win 2000, xp, and the autorun.
[08:09] <eVipere> and you loaded up the XP one?....
[08:10] <trillis> I just copy the inf winxp from the cd to the desktop and it showed up on the wireless driver
[08:10] <trillis> yeah
[08:10] <trillis> but it still says no hardware
[08:10] <trillis> But it could be that I'm using my ethernet right now.
[08:10] <eVipere> No, it's not... I'm looking at extracting the required inf from the drivers now......
[08:11] <trillis> Theres sime lights on in the back of my computer I didn't see before...
[08:11] <trillis> heheh
[08:11] <import> hey guys love your system need a hand though i have to get a patch and the url says to do something like this get http://patches.aircrack-ng.org/madwifi-ng-r1679.patch
[08:11] <trillis> Just my imagination.
[08:11] <import> but the problem is get isnt a reconised
[08:12] <import> function
[08:12] <eVipere> trillis, do you still have winxp installed that used to use that device?
[08:12]  * trillis is retarded when it comes to linux
[08:12] <trillis> No.
[08:12] <intelikey> import wget  ?
[08:12] <trillis> Winxp never touched that device
[08:13] <import> i tried to apt-get install get but it dint work
[08:13] <import> oh maybe
[08:13] <import> let me try thanks intelikey let you know if it works
[08:13] <import> your the man
[08:13] <import> :)
[08:14] <import> or women what ever it may be
[08:14] <eVipere> GAH!  I can get a file count of this blasted .cab, but I can't extract the data :(
[08:15] <eVipere> trillis, want to try extracting some cab files on *nix, I think since you have a 32-bit OS it may work for ya....
[08:15] <trillis> Sure, how?
[08:16] <eVipere> first, you need a couple applications...    sudo apt-get install cabextract unshield
[08:16] <intelikey> import if that's the only problem you ever have with linux,  you are the man.      or woman...   or irc robot or what ever...
[08:17] <intelikey> !botsnack | import
[08:17] <ubotu> import: Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[08:18] <surgy> how do i get and install new splash screens? other than the ones that came with kubuntu?
[08:18] <trillis> k
[08:18] <trillis> got it
[08:19] <import> :)
[08:20] <trillis> Can linux get viruses?
[08:20] <import> intelikey no i have had alot of problems but i learned to work with them
[08:20] <import> lol
[08:20]  * trillis ez nub
[08:20] <eVipere> No.. that's the driver I downloaded from dlink's site.
[08:20] <import> nope
[08:20] <trillis> hehehe
[08:20] <import> trillis its not worth it
[08:20] <import> maybe a worm
[08:20] <eVipere> lol
[08:21] <trillis> What happened?
[08:21] <import> but thats really a blue moon
[08:21] <eVipere> Did you get a file send request, or whatever popped up trillis?
[08:22] <trillis> I did, and I accepted.
[08:22] <import> trillis no viruses only wincrap has viruses i have seen some but the market is majority windows so people make mostly .exe bs
[08:22] <trillis> But it failed.
[08:22] <eVipere> Hmm.. ok...
[08:22] <eVipere> Oh.. lol, my fault
[08:22] <trillis> I'm beginning to like linux actually...
[08:22] <mikeo> why use irc when you can use metasploit?
[08:22] <trillis> It's like a puzzle.
[08:22] <eVipere> one sec, let me disable the fw for ya for a bit...
[08:22] <import> but on the other hand you can still be hacked if you have your ports open just close them up and kick back an laugh awhile
[08:22] <trillis> kk
[08:22] <import> trillis watch out for ssh
[08:23] <trillis> ssh?
[08:23] <mikeo> secure shell
[08:23] <import> yep
[08:23] <eVipere> ^_^
[08:23] <mikeo> port 22
[08:23] <import> :)
[08:23] <trillis> why?
[08:23] <eVipere> Once someone gets ssh access, they have unlimited control of your system.
[08:23] <intelikey> if you don't run sshd  you don't have to worry about it.
[08:23] <trillis> :(
[08:23] <mikeo> if they get root ssh
[08:23] <import> trillis if you had a ssh running on your pc i could connect to it through port 22 default
[08:23] <mikeo> if you knew his pw
[08:24] <import> then run some brute force crap to get your root and pass
[08:24] <mikeo> and if nat was open
[08:24] <import> then i could play god for a little while
[08:24] <trillis> root?
[08:24] <mikeo> should lock you out after 3 failed attempts
[08:24] <import> but dont worry about it
[08:24] <eVipere> and don't worry trill, your're port 22 is safe, I checked ^_^
[08:24] <import> mikeo if they set it up like that
[08:24] <trillis> hehehe
[08:24] <trillis> Yaay
[08:24] <import> default on suse is crap :)
[08:24] <mikeo> i think its that way by default
[08:24] <mikeo> this is kubuntu lol
[08:24] <trillis> 0kbps... Nice.
[08:24] <intelikey> !virus | trillis before they scare you with unbounded facts read this link
[08:24] <mikeo> ditch the lizard
[08:24] <ubotu> trillis before they scare you with unbounded facts read this link: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[08:24] <mikeo> get a dragon
[08:25] <import> mikeo now i could make a script to run a sleep command for the interval that the system kicks me then retry again
[08:25] <import> but thats another story
[08:25] <mikeo> i think it would take a very long time
[08:25] <import> sure would
[08:25] <import> but very possibl
[08:25] <eVipere> Hmm trill, I don't think file transfer likes IRC... I'll dig up the URl for ya from dlink.....
[08:25] <import> *possible
[08:25] <mikeo> impractical
[08:26] <mikeo> unless his password was password
[08:26] <mikeo> or a word in a word list
[08:26] <import> there is another way but i dont want to discuss it
[08:26] <trillis> Sounds good
[08:26] <import> trillis you should be fine
[08:26] <mikeo> rainbow tables?
[08:26] <import> kubuntu is secure enough
[08:26] <import> if its not have someone tell you about nmap
[08:27] <eVipere> trillis: ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Wireless/dwa130/Drivers/dwa130_BETA_drivers_120.zip
[08:27] <mikeo> lol you know nvidia cuda pw cracking is like 25x faster than a fast cpu
[08:27] <trillis> oh
[08:27] <mikeo> nmap -sX -P0 -sV etc...
[08:27] <import> :)
[08:27] <trillis> Is there anyway to change my resolution?
[08:27] <mikeo> light you up like a christmas tree
[08:27] <import> mikeo has been around a block
[08:27] <import> or two
[08:27] <eVipere> Hmm, I'll have to try that one... using the GPU for it.
[08:28]  * mikeo is just a college student
[08:28]  * trillis is too
[08:28] <eVipere> Anyone who knows the x-mas command off the top of their head evidently has some experience...
[08:28] <mikeo> hahaha
[08:28] <mikeo> theory but not expierence
[08:28] <import> same
[08:28] <mikeo> taken a few security classes
[08:28] <trillis> su x-maxjuice2all %$ ?
[08:28] <mikeo> ever use core impact?
[08:28] <eVipere> In this world, you can't have theory without experience first!
[08:28] <trillis> x-mas*
[08:28] <import> nope
[08:28] <trillis> Damn zip?
[08:29] <trillis> Oh shit.
[08:29] <mikeo> its weak
[08:29] <eVipere> oh yeah.. LOL
[08:29] <eVipere> sudo apt-get installl zip unzip
[08:29] <import> mikeo whats core impact?
[08:29] <mikeo> costs like 20k or something
[08:29] <import> omg
[08:29] <trillis> it opened automaticallyl for me.
[08:29] <mikeo> a tool released by a savis for pen testing
[08:29] <mikeo> our school got a free box with it for testing purposes
[08:29] <import> sounds like crap
[08:29] <eVipere> pen testing...???
[08:29] <mikeo> has some nice features but never up to date
[08:30] <mikeo> works great on unpatched win2000 boxes lol
[08:30] <mikeo> i mean even metasploit works on default sever 2k3 installs
[08:30] <import> evipere :) its were you click a couple of times until you can write with a piece of plastic
[08:30] <import> just need some paper
[08:30] <eVipere> Yeah... and the 65k ping works on win98 machines too...
[08:30] <trillis> Now what do I do?
[08:30] <mikeo> ever use cisco tourch?
[08:31] <import> i dont know i used microsoft for a while and i was very let down <-- not the word for it disappointed
[08:31] <mikeo> or the global scanner thing that checks all the default stuff
[08:31] <eVipere> trillis: extract those to a directory and cd into that directory with terminal   cd name_of_directory/
[08:31]  * mikeo still needs to learn infrastructure security testing beyond basic theory
[08:31] <import> here i weigh it out linux = free windows = paid for, and worse imo then linux
[08:32] <import> linux has alot more support
[08:32] <mikeo> linux has less support in the corporate world
[08:32] <mikeo> because 99% of people grew up using windows and feel comfortable with it
[08:32] <import> mikeo where can you go to get help with something?
[08:32] <eVipere> Once you have those extracted into a dir and have cd'd into that dir, run     fx... what was that command?
[08:32] <stdin> can you take general chatter to #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:32] <import> in windows
[08:32] <intelikey> import ##windows
[08:32] <intelikey> ;/
[08:33] <import> intelkey okay got me
[08:33] <import> :)
[08:33] <trillis> extract the files that i downloaded, and the ones on the cd to the same directory? Then go into the terminal and type: cd desktop/ ?
[08:33] <intelikey> don't get me wrong    i dont do windows.   but lets not lie about.
[08:33] <import> but still i rather use a linux system over win
[08:33] <eVipere> No, just the zip you downloaded.
[08:33] <mikeo> from what i have seen lots of upper management is hesitant to use linux because there is no main company to go to for support
[08:34] <trillis> Is the command correct?
[08:34] <intelikey> linux does have better support   imo  for the user     and if the report is true  linux supports more hardware than any other os   par none.
[08:34] <surgy> how do i get and install new splash screens? other than the ones that came with kubuntu?
[08:34] <intelikey> bar none
[08:34] <stdin> take general chatter to #kubuntu-offtopic ...
[08:34] <import> mikeo i read about Canada releasing kubuntu on dell systems store bought
[08:35] <import> so it seems like linux is trying to make an impact
[08:35] <mikeo> know someone who worked with someone else at ups and i guess the researched switching to linux, cost them 3 mil and the project was a total failure
[08:35] <eVipere> If you saved the file to your desktop and extracted it there, it would be cd ~/Desktop/dwa130_BETA_drivers_120
[08:35] <trillis> cd desktop_drivers/
[08:35] <trillis> ?
[08:35] <mikeo> anyone know how to setup active directory with linux?
[08:35] <trillis> aah
[08:35] <trillis> kk
[08:36] <import> one second i need to check something
[08:37] <trillis> damn
[08:37] <trillis> still not working
[08:37] <trillis> the folder with the files are on ym desktop called Drivers.
[08:37] <eVipere> Ok, then it would be Desktop/Drivers
[08:37] <trillis> I typed: cd~/desktop/drivers
[08:37] <eVipere> Desktop/Drivers
[08:37] <eVipere> Linux is cap sensative, unlike windows.
[08:37] <trillis> case sensitive?
[08:37] <trillis> heeh
[08:37] <eVipere> Desktop is different then desktop, two different directories.
[08:38] <surgy> how do i get and install new splash screens? other than the ones that came with kubuntu?
[08:38] <trillis> gaaha
[08:38] <trillis> Still not working
[08:38] <eVipere> surgy: check kde-look.org
[08:38] <Dragonath> cd ~/Desktop/Drivers
[08:38] <stdin> surgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[08:38] <surgy> thnx stdin
[08:38] <eVipere> Better idea, cd ~/Desktop/Dri {{ and hit the tab key a couple times}}
[08:38] <Dragonath> cd ~/Desktop first then do a ls to see what's there first?
[08:39] <trillis> ooh
[08:39] <trillis> space bewtween cd~
[08:39] <Dragonath> yes
[08:39] <Dragonath> there must be a space between a command and it's arguments
[08:39] <trillis> there we go
[08:39] <trillis> k
[08:39] <trillis> Now what am I typing?
[08:40] <eVipere> unshield x data2.cab
[08:40] <trillis> Aborted.
[08:40] <eVipere> what about cabextract data2.cab  ?
[08:41] <trillis> Warning; found install shield header. This is probably an install shield.
[08:41] <weedar> I connected a usb-pen drive that got mounted to /media/disk - but how would I know which device is mounted there (in the console) - it's not mentioned in the fstab
[08:41] <trillis> All done, error in processor 1 files.
[08:41] <trillis> now what?
[08:42] <stdin> weedar: "mount"
[08:42] <trillis> Oh wait
[08:42] <trillis> "Use UNSHIELD to unpack it".
[08:42] <Dragonath> my restricted drivers module tells me that mý ati radeon 9600 pro is running on restricted drivers, yet fglrxinfo shows this - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46412/
[08:42] <trillis> No do I use the unshile command?
[08:42] <trillis> now*
[08:43] <Dragonath> I want my card to run restricted drivers, how do I do it?
[08:43] <eVipere> I was hoping it wouldn't do the annoying abort thing... What you need to do is figure out a way to extrac the drivers from that cab file... one way is to install it, as the program will extract them itself, but you need to run setup.exe to do so.
[08:43] <Ch1ppy> Hey, I have two net ports on my box, but whenever I connect using one of them the internet works for a bit then dies.  It has worked properly before and still works in windows.  Can anyone help me out at all?
[08:43] <eVipere> If you want to try that, go ahead and apt-get install wine    After that you can run .exe files.
[08:44] <sigma> i have a huge problem, ksysguard says im using 1010mb of memory, whilst crystal monitor on my desktop says 199mb, which one is right? i don't understand because i only have kaffeine open playing a small video. whats the problem?
[08:44] <stdin> sigma: ksysgaurd includes the cache in it's calculations, crystal monitor does not
[08:45] <trillis> Gah
[08:45] <trillis> I have to do it tomorrow.
[08:45] <trillis> I need sleep.
[08:45] <trillis> I've been at this for nearly 8 hours or so.
[08:45] <sigma> stdin: whats the cache for?
[08:45] <trillis> Thanks alot for you all of your help, no doubt I'll be back tomorrow.
[08:46] <stdin> sigma: to store often accessed files in memory, speeds up access
[08:46] <intelikey> sigma free -m    see the first line of data   should agree with  ksysguard    and the second   -/+ buffer/cache    should agree with crystal monitor     they are both right    but the info you are probably looking for is the  -/+ line   the actual in-use ram
[08:46] <stdin> ^ the explanation I was too tired to give :p
[08:47] <eVipere> If I end up trying to help him again, I'm just going to ask for an ssh tunnel && account... that may speed his issue up a bit...
[08:47] <sigma> intelikey: so my pc is actually only using the amount of ram that is stated in crystal monitor?
[08:47] <Ch1ppy> Hey, my net keeps dieing.. can anyone help me out?
[08:47] <intelikey> sigma that's what we're saying    you catch on quick for a linux user.
[08:47] <eVipere> chippy: bad ether in your cable?... try refilling it.
[08:47] <intelikey> :)
[08:48] <intelikey> here's what my system is doing right now.
[08:48] <intelikey> Memory Used/Total Percent: 23/377 MB (6%)
[08:48] <intelikey> Swap   Used/Total Percent: 0/0 MB (0%)
[08:48] <Ch1ppy> eVipere: cable tested + fine, it seems to be related to the one net port, but is not a hardware problem
[08:49] <weedar> stdin - an obvious answer, but I needed it, thanks a lot! :)
[08:49] <intelikey> it's pretty idle.  only doing some network intense things, nothing memory intense.
[08:50] <sigma> intelikey: yup ive gotten some free training manuals and am going through the stuff and practising, can you explain to me whats the difference between vmsize and vmrss in ksysguard? im guessing that vmsize is the cache and vmrss is whats actuatually being used?
[08:51] <intelikey> sigma  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d2a7f24b4  <<< the script i just ran to check my ram usage.  you might be interested.  you might not.
[08:51] <sigma> il check it out, thanks
[08:51] <intelikey> and mikeo you like scripts.  ^
[08:52] <eVipere> I don't think he got my BOFH reference....
[08:52] <sigma>       total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[08:52] <sigma> Mem:          1010        994         15          0          9        741
[08:52] <sigma> -/+ buffers/cache:        243        766
[08:52] <sigma> Swap:         2957         33       2923
[08:53] <stdin> !paste | sigma
[08:53] <ubotu> sigma: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:53] <sigma> thats what i get intelikey
[08:53] <Lynoure> eVipere: well, maybe actually help him now? :)
[08:53] <sigma> sorry!
[08:53] <intelikey> yep you are using 243m
[08:54] <eVipere> I would, but I dont't have much of a clue as to what his problem could have been, possibly a bad kernel driver, or simply a loose plug..
[08:54] <sigma> this cache idea is just confusing me, so linux has actually reserved my meory for certain apps?
[08:54] <intelikey> err plus the 4to6 meg that the kernel eats and doesnt ever mention...
[08:54] <intelikey> sigma yes.  but it will relinquish that ram as needed.
[08:55] <eVipere> unless your running a Java application, then it just keeps consuming it.
[08:55] <stdin> sigma: the cache will be reduced if applications need more memory, it's used to store files that the system accesses often so it doesn't have to keep reading the disk
[08:55] <Lynoure> eVipere: one can always walk him through some debugging questions, like:
[08:55] <Lynoure> hmm, seems he left.
[08:55] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d599a7f50 <<< cpu.info
[08:56] <sigma> i see stdin, thanks
[08:56] <sigma> so do you guys think there will be a kde4 install for gutsy as soon as the final version is released?
[08:56] <eVipere> If me and him are online tomorrow and he's still having the issue, I'll try to walk him through... but I'm out for tonight.  g'night ya'll
[08:57] <stdin> sigma: it's planned for the same day
[08:57] <intelikey> backported to the LTS too maybe.
[08:57] <eVipere> sigma: Can't you download kde4 now?...
[08:57] <luca_b> stdin: Assuming package quality isn't as bad as the other releases by Kubuntu
[08:57] <sigma> stdin: how do they manage that? its the 16th Dec hey?
[08:57] <stdin> luca_b: you have a problem with the packages?
[08:58] <luca_b> stdin: Well, it's mostly a problem of what's packaged and what not
[08:58] <luca_b> stdin: I find easier to build from source since it's evolving way too rapidly
[08:58] <stdin> sigma: we'll get notified when the release is made and we'll make packages
[08:58] <intelikey> of the 20k packages   it's still never enough....
[08:58] <sigma> eVipere: you can get the rc version, i got the opensuse live cd because the kubuntu one wasn't out, its still pretty unstable though
[08:58] <stdin> luca_b: well that's totally unavoidable isn't it
[08:58] <luca_b> sigma: post-RC is quite stable, a few bugs but usable
[08:59] <luca_b> stdin: A selection like the openSUSE LIveCD would be optimal IMO
[08:59] <sigma> luca_b: whats post rc?
[08:59] <ben_> anyone know of a good webhost, i'm sick of dreamhost
[08:59] <eVipere> sigma: Opensuse 10.3 has been out for long enough, I think the KDE4 that was on it is pre-rc release.
[08:59] <sigma> ben_: which country?
[08:59] <eVipere> The current KDE4 is version 3.93
[09:00] <t1n0m3n> this NIC issue is driving me crazy
[09:00] <ben_> eVipere: I live in new zealand, but anywhere will do
[09:00] <luca_b> sigma: I mean, KDE (from source, or the recent openSUSE live CD) soon after RC got a few improvements
[09:00] <stdin> luca_b: so, you want the small kubuntu dev team to focus on getting KDE SVN builds out rather than working on other KDE releases/tools/apps ?
[09:00] <sigma> all it says was that it was the RC 1 version
[09:00] <ben_> sigma: I live in new zealand, but anywhere will do.
[09:00] <intelikey> what means SVN ?
[09:00] <luca_b> stdin: Nope, I'd prefer actually no releases until the final one, so that it will probably get more attention
[09:01] <eVipere> well sigma, if you're feeling brave... you can always try apt-get install kde4base....
[09:01] <Lynoure> intelikey: subversion (version control)
[09:01] <sigma> ben_ i also used to live there, don't you get free i-net access? why not just host your own server?
[09:01] <Lynoure> sigma: there is a live dvd too...
[09:01] <sigma> Lynoure: whats on the live dvd? is it kubuntu?
[09:02] <ben_> sigma: I'm planning to run busy websites, I need something with good bandwidth, home upload doesn't cut it
[09:02] <luca_b> stdin: Actually, if stuff from debian experimental is backportable, that would be a good idea to strat from there, less work involved
[09:02] <Lynoure> sigma: kubuntu based, yes. I have not tried it yet, just burning it now.
[09:02] <stdin> luca_b: people expect us to have the pre-releases packaged like other distros. seems people complain when we do and complain when we don't...
[09:02] <intelikey> ben_ apache2 ?
[09:03] <sigma> eVipere: i tried that but as i dont have broadband i have to download packages manually, its a bit difficult with so many dependencies!
[09:03] <sigma> Lynoure: where did u find it?
[09:03] <luca_b> stdin: Forget about the experimental debian part, I forgot that they (I haven't tested them, just reading reports - disclaimer) they aren't made to think about coinstallability
[09:03] <eVipere> that's when you do the apt-get and go to bed!  Pray that your connection remains good.
[09:03] <ben_> intelikey: Yea, I need a lamp stack host. Bandwidth is a ripoff in my country though
[09:03] <Lynoure> sigma: wait a bit, I'll check
[09:04]  * intelikey mmm nods
[09:04] <Linux_Galore> luca_b: there are lots of kde apps missing on the repo and you want the kde devs to work on an unstable and complete version of kde 4 lol
[09:04] <Linux_Galore> s/complete/incomplete/
[09:05] <sigma> im still confused about the whole dvd / cd thing, some people say the dvd has the live + install cd, others say it has a whole lot of repository packages included as well. which one is right?
[09:05] <luca_b> Linux_Galore: I'd just like to see packages that would not give KDE 4 a bad name, there are already too many people complaining for no good reason IMO
[09:05] <Lynoure> sigma: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[09:05] <stdin> sigma: both
[09:05] <sigma> but its only the main repo hey stdin?
[09:05] <Linux_Galore> luca_b: kde 4 isnt finnished, it wont be finnished really until around 4.2/4.2
[09:05] <intelikey> sigma yes.
[09:05] <Linux_Galore> sorry 4.1/4.2
[09:05] <stdin> sigma: most of main and some restricted
[09:06] <sigma> Lynoure: thats the cd, not dvd - i knew about the cd
[09:06] <Lynoure> sigma: I probably misremembered. So you already tried the cd?
[09:07] <Linux_Galore> luca_b: if people are cpmplaining about an unstable incomplete version of kde 4.0 they should have read the warnings
[09:08] <Linux_Galore> luca_b: its like getting a test car from Ford that has the doors missing then complaining about the draft
[09:08] <Lynoure> Will the next kubuntu release come with kde4? (it being a LTS version, and all)
[09:08] <sigma> nope i got the opensuse one (kubuntu one hadn't been released), wasn't that great hey, looks alot better but not that usable. but then again it was running off a cd!
[09:08] <intelikey> i'm out.  thanks fellows, for all the time well spent.   and all the time wasted too.
[09:08] <stdin> Lynoure: no
[09:08] <intelikey> stdin shalom.
[09:08] <luca_b> Linux_Galore: If something (within resources, priority, etc...) can be done to reduce the stupid whining I read everytime on the dot and elsewhere, it would be nice
[09:08] <Lynoure> stdin: good :)
[09:08] <sigma> Lynoure: nope
[09:08] <Nurburgring2> hi i just downloaded the drivers for my ati card and would like to install in Ubuntu. The file extension is .run, how do i do this?
[09:08] <stdin> !ati | Nurburgring2
[09:08] <ubotu> Nurburgring2: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:09] <sigma> if there are any south africans in this forum does anyone have the repo's on dvd that they can send to me?
[09:09] <Nurburgring2> thanx very much sir
[09:09] <Linux_Galore> luca_b: people are idtiots get over it, that your still worrying is na sign you havent matured to the stage that you trully understand that and fighting it is like trying to stop the tide
[09:09] <Nurburgring2> oh i c, bot...
[09:09] <sigma> il reimburse you for postage+media of course!
[09:10] <Linux_Galore> <- 34 years of technical customer support
[09:10] <Linux_Galore> Im not surpirsed by anything anymore
[09:10] <Linux_Galore> surprised*
[09:11] <sigma> well hopefully the kde4 final will be nice and stable:) im looking for a change, already know my way around 3.5.8
[09:11] <luca_b> Linux_Galore: as far as I read, it's truly demotivating for the developers involved (disclaimer - I'm not one of them, I'm just someone who tests and reports bugs when time permits)
[09:11] <stdin> sigma: don't expect "stable" as such until at least 4.1
[09:11] <Linux_Galore> sigma: Im sticking with 3.5.8 for another 6 months and by that time I will have a better machines and compiz and KDE 4.1 will be working
[09:12] <Lynoure> luca_b: I'm not actually even eager for kde4 as some of my fave programs do not work with qt4 yet...
[09:12] <sigma> thats the same reason kde4 isnt going in hardy hey
[09:12] <stdin> luca_b: trust me, the kde devs don't care what's on /. or the register, and neither do I :)
[09:12] <Lynoure> luca_b: So I'll be just happy if it will take 6 months more or so :)
[09:13] <Linux_Galore> yeah I dont want kde4 in the next release it will take at least another 6 months to port a good portion of the kde 3 apps pver
[09:13] <Linux_Galore> over*
[09:13] <luca_b> Lynoure: I'm way too eager for it, I?m just waiting to learn PyQt4 and get the ball rolling for some KDE4 goodness
[09:13] <luca_b> (I mean, PyAt4 +
[09:13] <Cugel2> I tried the KDE4 RC1 -- it's not ready.
[09:13] <luca_b> arghghg sorry,
[09:13] <surgy> !c
[09:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about c - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:13] <surgy> !ide
[09:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ide - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:14] <Linux_Galore> stdin: unless your paying them heh
[09:14] <[ifr0g]> !kde4
[09:15] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. RC 1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[09:15] <luca_b> Linux_Galore: A few "important" apps have started porting recently, at least integrators etc can check a page on KDE's techbase to see the porting status
[09:15] <Linux_Galore> compiz is still not working well and consumes way too much resources even when doing nothing
[09:16] <Linux_Galore> luca_b: yes but porting is one thing fixing all the port bugs will take 6 months
[09:17] <[ifr0g]> !games
[09:17] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[09:17] <luca_b> Linux_Galore: essential apps like dolphin or konqueror work reasonably well already, *not* that I'd like KDE4 in a LTS release of course
[09:18] <PolitikerNEU> just a question: is an amarok 2 package for kde 4 availible for kubuntu already?
[09:19] <stdin> no, for the simple reason that it's broke :p
[09:19] <luca_b> PolitikerNEU: It's alpha stage, I don't think it'll be out for a few months *at least*
[09:21] <PolitikerNEU> yes, but there are kde 4 packages ... and you can't say plasma is finished as well ... but if there are no packages, i have to accept it ... because i haven't got enough disk space to compile whole kde 4 svn
[09:21] <stdin> PolitikerNEU: you could download the svn version of amarok 2, but like I said: there are no packages because it won't build yet
[09:22] <sigma> compiz works perfectly on ubuntu, but looks so out of place on kubuntu
[09:22] <luca_b> stdin: even if it builds, it's broken 8P
[09:22] <PolitikerNEU> oh ... that could be another problem why i didn't manage to build it ...
[09:22] <PolitikerNEU> because it said "FILE ERROR" at some (late) point
[09:22] <luca_b> PolitikerNEU: amarok depends on libplasma, which is still in a state of flux, therefore when libplasma changes, amarok build breaks
[09:23] <sigma> PolitikerNEU: the porting of kde4 apps has begun, it will prob be ready when the final release comes out
[09:23] <PolitikerNEU> ok
[09:23] <PolitikerNEU> so I'll have to wait a month or so ...
[09:23] <sigma> nope its out on +- 16th dec
[09:24] <sigma> so half a month odd
[09:24] <luca_b> sigma: may be pushed to Jan 4th (tagging) and Jan 11th (release)
[09:25] <PolitikerNEU> Personally, I doubt that KDE 4.0 will be finished at that time ... at least plasma seems to be 	really	 unfinished now
[09:25] <stdin> on any day if you expect it to be out, you'll be wrong ;)
[09:25] <sigma> oh well i wont be using it fully till its implemented in kubuntu
[09:25] <PolitikerNEU> and a question ... will I be able to use the old kicker (of kde 3) in kde 4?
[09:25] <luca_b> PolitikerNEU: Plasma improved *greatly* over a few days past RC, so I believe it's quite possible
[09:26] <PolitikerNEU> hmm ... ok
[09:26] <stdin> probably not
[09:26] <luca_b> PolitikerNEU: nope, read http://liquidat.wordpresss.com for an explanation why
[09:26] <luca_b> it's a great writeup
[09:26] <luca_b> on the design decisions
[09:26] <sigma> the target release date on wikipedia is 11-dec, lol
[09:26] <PolitikerNEU> Hmm ... what should I click on the link luca_b ?
[09:27] <stdin> sigma: and you trust wikipedia implicitly?
[09:27] <luca_b> PolitikerNEU: it's not a malicious link, check the web page and it's the latest post
[09:27] <luca_b> stdin: Wikipedia is somewhat correct, the push back hasn't been decided yet, just discussion among the release team
[09:27] <sigma> stdin: lol of course not!
[09:27] <stdin> luca_b: was a general statement, not specific
[09:28] <PolitikerNEU> there are only links for hosting wordpress like "Free installation of wordpress ..."
[09:28] <luca_b> anyway the answer for kicker is "no", since its mantainer is also the plasma project mantainer
[09:28] <luca_b> PolitikerNEU: whoops, sorry, let me fire up the right one
[09:28] <sigma> is there any way to make kde 3 look like kde4 properly? i like that oxygen theme
[09:28] <luca_b> http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/11/30/kde-4-some-reasons-for-design-decisions/
[09:29] <luca_b> sigma: the Oxygen team has kindly asked not to distribute the art in packaged form because it's not ready yet
[09:29] <luca_b> sigma: that said, you can get MOST of the icons working with a script on kde-look.org
[09:29] <sigma> oh yes, konqueror is looking great in kde4, but dolphin is still hopeless, at least konq can still be used as the file manager
[09:30] <sigma> luca_b: do you know the name of the theme on kde-look.org?
[09:30] <luca_b> sigma: it's a script, hold on I'll get the link
[09:30] <sigma> thanks
[09:31] <[ifr0g]> and about kde4 when is the relase date ?
[09:31] <luca_b> sigma: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=61556
[09:31] <stdin> when it's ready
[09:31] <sigma> kde should use firefox for browsing (and make it look more like kde), drop dolphin - that was a mistake from the start and concentrate on konq as the file manager only
[09:31] <luca_b> sigma: you need svn (command line util) and inkscape installed
[09:31] <sigma> thanks
[09:32] <luca_b> it'll create a tar.bz2 file in your $HOME
[09:32] <luca_b> then install it with the theme manager
[09:32] <sigma> dam inkscape has this one dep that has like 100 deps attached to it :(
[09:32] <stdin> sigma: dolphin in kde4 is a perfectly usable file manager
[09:32] <hangthedj> does anybody have trouble with VirtualBox and not being able to run usb
[09:32] <hangthedj> ?
[09:32] <luca_b> notice, you'll see LESS icon than in KDE4, because they have been renamed
[09:32] <luca_b> and the script does just a quick hack
[09:33] <luca_b> (renamed = renamed to fit the freedesktop.org naming specification, used by other themes like GNOME's Tango)
[09:34] <sigma> stdin: i tried it, didn't feel so diff to the one in kde3, konq still has way more usability
[09:35] <sigma> hopefully over time it will catch up
[09:35] <stdin> sigma: there's a huge difference between dolphin and d3lphin. the only reason people are so resistant to dolphin is because it's not konqueror
[09:36] <luca_b> stdin: well said
[09:36] <hangthedj> does dolphin support and do all the things konqueror can?
[09:36] <stdin> yes, it supports all the kioslaves
[09:36] <sigma> luca_b: well il have 2find somewhere to download those files, do you know how i can change the font colours of the firefox menu's?
[09:36] <stdin> (all the ones that have been ported anyway)
[09:36] <luca_b> sigma: to adapt it to KDE?
[09:36] <hangthedj> can i fish:/ with dolphin? :)
[09:36] <sigma> stdin: hold on whats d3lphin?
[09:37] <luca_b> hangthedj: yes, you can, I've been testing it in KDE 4
[09:37] <stdin> sigma: it's the name of the kde3 port of dolphin
[09:37] <hangthedj> luca_b, cool thats all i really care about
[09:37] <PolitikerNEU> oh ... I have read the article but it didn't answer my question exactly .. I know that there will be no "kde 4 kicker" - but will I be able to just load the old kde 3 kicker like I can start the old amarok 1.4 in kde 4 (I have heard about some qt 4 qt 3 compatiblity layer - and btw. - wasn't kicker included in the first alpha of kde 4)?
[09:37] <stdin> hangthedj: I'd rather use sftp:/ ;)
[09:38] <sigma> luca_b: yes, i tried the kdeff theme, but the menu borders break and the fonts are too dark when you hover on the menu's
[09:38] <luca_b> PolitikerNEU: yes you could, ttechnically - and yes there was kicker as well, but it was just while libplasma was being adjusted
[09:38] <PolitikerNEU> ok, thanks - that's fine
[09:38] <luca_b> sigma: Hmm, I just use that theme, unfortunately
[09:39] <hangthedj> stdin, yeah force of habit, my eyes are getting bad in my old age, so fun things like scp from the command line are no longer fun
[09:39] <hangthedj> sftp, i always forget about it for some reason
[09:39] <sigma> luca_b: no idean how to modify it?
[09:39] <luca_b> sigma: Unsure, it's styled through CSS though, it shouldn't be too hard but I don't know where to look
[09:40] <stdin> hangthedj: no "sftp:/" instead of "fish:/", fish:/ is a hack that used ssh and some python code. sftp:/ is the builtin more secure way
[09:40] <sigma> luca_b: same prob here, i found a few but none related to the theme
[09:41] <stdin> hangthedj: there are a few possible security risks with fish:/ so using sftp:/ is a good habit to start
[09:41] <stdin> (not I said "possible" risks there)
[09:41] <stdin> *note:
[09:41] <hangthedj> for some reason i only use sftp when i'm using mac servers
[09:41] <luca_b> stdin: good tip, I didn't know about it
[09:41] <hangthedj> not sure why
[09:44] <hangthedj> i'm gonna blow up vmware
[09:45] <sigma> why?
[09:46] <hangthedj> cause, i tried to load windows after along time, cause i'm testing something, and it said it couldn't so i got a patch, and now its going along slower than i've ever seen windows go. ever.
[09:47] <sigma> why do u need windows?
[09:48] <hangthedj> i'm trying to figure out what the login and logout prompt is for the blackberry bluetooth modem.  i've got it 95% working
[09:48] <hangthedj> on linux
[09:49] <hangthedj> surprise surprise windows is lost.
[09:49] <hangthedj> no more vmware
[09:49] <penguin> !beryl
[09:49] <ubotu> Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[09:49] <penguin> !compiz
[09:49] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[09:53] <hangthedj> haha
[09:53] <hangthedj> i named my connected dialup, and tried to connect to it, and it crashed, then windows said would you like to report, and i said no, but then it popped up and said cannot report without inet connection, would you like to connect using dialup.
[09:54] <hangthedj> i could click ok all night
[09:54] <sigma> those modems are always dodgy
[09:54] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> hi. i am a newbie in using eclipse for developing c++ applications. i'm using Ubuntu as OS (latest Gutsy 7.10 release). I've downloaded eclipse-cdt-fetched-src-autotools-0_9_5.tar.gz and unpacked it properly. But when I'm trying to open preferences window with autotools it reports an error...
[09:54] <sigma> why not use a cable connection? thats what i do with my win smartphone
[09:56] <hangthedj> i'm gonna try that next with the world famous (to blackberry users) tether your blackberry with linux
[09:56] <stdin> Wilde_Sehnsucht: isn't that the same as the package "eclipse-cdt" ?
[09:56] <hangthedj> but XmBlackberry stopped being developed and is a pain to install and its late
[09:57] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> stdin: as far as i know eclipse-cdt doesn't provide autotools. but i have eclipse-cdt installed
[09:58] <stdin> Wilde_Sehnsucht: I've never used eclipse, I tend to use kdevelop
[09:59] <stdin> Wilde_Sehnsucht: try asking in eclipse
[09:59] <stdin> Wilde_Sehnsucht: try asking in eclipse
[09:59] <stdin> damn :p
[09:59] <stdin> #eclipse
[09:59] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> stdin: i'm trying :) but there's no answer yet :)
[10:00] <stdin> give it a while, you'll get a response eventually :p
[10:00] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> i hope :)
[10:15] <lvjiabin> chinese
[10:15] <lvjiabin> anybody
[10:15] <lvjiabin> ?
[10:15] <stdin> !cn | lvjiabin
[10:15] <ubotu> lvjiabin: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[10:16] <lvjiabin> Thank you !
[10:22] <level1> hi, I ran dgen (a sega genesis emulator)... anyway, it locked up sound system and now I don't have any sound from any app, even though I've restarted X... how can I unlock my filesystem?
[10:22] <level1> !oss
[10:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oss - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:22] <level1> !alsa
[10:22] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[10:30] <lvjiabin> He,There  is something  wrong  with  firefox
[10:31] <lvjiabin> En,why  update to 2.0.10,It is very  unstable
[10:46] <anterasia_childr> hey is any 1 there?
[10:46] <anterasia_childr> _____
[10:47] <anterasia_childr> any one there?
[10:47] <k-nabyss> hello
[10:47] <anterasia_childr> wat sorta snakes have u got?
[10:48] <anterasia_childr>       ?
[10:49] <anterasia_childr> mkquist?
[10:50] <anterasia_childr> nabyss!!!!!!!
[10:50] <anterasia_childr> gukk
[10:50] <ardchoille> anterasia_childr: This is a support channel for Kubuntu. Do you have a Kubuntu support question?
[10:51] <vzduch> obviously not :D
[10:51] <vzduch> mornin ardchoille
[10:51] <ardchoille> Obviously
[10:51] <ardchoille> Morning vzduch
[10:54] <Riddell> ** kubuntu meeting in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[10:55] <ardchoille> Riddell: Thank you for the reminder
[10:55] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> eh..everyone is sleeping on #eclipse...may be here anybody can help... how do i compile a plugin for eclipse in gutsy?
[10:57] <vzduch> !b-e | Wilde_Sehnsucht
[10:57] <ubotu> Wilde_Sehnsucht: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[10:57] <vzduch> you have that?
[10:57] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> aha i do
[10:58] <vzduch> then what's the problem?
[10:59] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> because it's an eclipse plugin :)
[11:01] <k-nabyss> fuck you
[11:01] <k-nabyss> bitbh
[11:02] <adyy> plz join #tabaci
[11:03] <Jucato> adyy: no
[11:03] <blekos> hi, is it possible to "color" files and emails like Mac?
[11:03] <vzduch> blekos: ?
[11:04] <blekos> in Mac u have the ability to color the names of the files
[11:05] <blekos> red, yellow etc
[11:05] <waylandbill> blekos: if you alias ls to:   alias ls="ls --color=auto"   it will do that.
[11:05] <waylandbill> if you mean in a terminal
[11:05] <Jucato> no, I think he means in the GUI
[11:05] <Jucato> OS X is all about GUI :)
[11:05] <waylandbill> :)
[11:06] <Jucato> I don't think it's possible yet on a per file basis
[11:06] <Jucato> (would be nice though... next to tagging files.. which would be possible in KDE 4 I think... I think...)
[11:07] <waylandbill> I know many graphic artists that use mac's... but they would even know what a command line is. Of course, they're better than I at graphics, so I guess it all works out. :)
[11:08] <ilor> hi, I have compiz working, wobbly windows and all, but emerald themes don't seem to work
[11:09] <blekos> not the terminal
[11:09] <ilor> I can laucnch the theme manager, but selecting themes doesn't do anything
[11:12] <_DT> ilor: make sure you've installed the emerald package
[11:14] <ilor> I have it installed
[11:14] <blekos> anybody using kde4?
[11:14] <Jucato> ilor: you might be able to get more help in #compiz-fusion
[11:14] <ilor> oh, ok
[11:14] <Jucato> blekos: yes. but not rc1.
[11:15] <_DT> ilor: If it's installed then try reloading your window manager or restarting the computer
[11:15] <_DT> worked for me ;-)
[11:15] <Jucato> (no need to restart the computer, at most you just need to restart X, or even just log out)
[11:15] <ilor> will try, thanks
[11:15] <_DT> fusion-icon is pretty good at managing compiz-fusion + emerald
[11:18] <blekos> and how is kde4? have you tried it with compiz-fusion?
[11:19] <waylandbill> kde4 and compiz. live life on the wild side. :-D
[11:19] <Jucato> blekos: you wouldn't need compiz-fusion in KDE4. it has its own compositing and effects
[11:19] <Jucato> (no cube though. thank goodness...)
[11:20] <blekos> how about flame writing!! lol
[11:20] <waylandbill> I thought the cube was interesting for a couple minutes, but couldn't figure out anything I'd use it for. :)
[11:20] <Jucato> I think kwin's effect are plugin-based, so it will just be a matter of time before 3rd party effects such as those come out
[11:28] <clau85> got a problem here: after logging in in the GUI, it doesn't go any further, i.e. it does not log in
[11:28] <clau85> just the kubuntu blues screen
[11:32] <vzduch> !info pork
[11:32] <ubotu> pork: Console-based AOL Instant Messenger & IRC client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.8.1-1 (gutsy), package size 242 kB, installed size 1608 kB
[11:32] <vzduch> !info bitchx
[11:32] <ubotu> bitchx: Advanced Internet Relay Chat client. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.1-4ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 1515 kB, installed size 6524 kB
[11:35] <sebastian^> good morning everybody
[11:42] <level1> Hi, I told kde to use dgen to load .bin files and now before every application starts I get a dialog box saying: Could not find mime type application/octet-stream
[11:42] <level1> the app still starts, but I get that error message
[11:44] <ardchoille> level1: You need to add file association application/octet-stream back to the file associations
[11:44] <level1> ardchoille: how do I do that?+
[11:44] <ardchoille> level1: Hold on..
[11:44] <ardchoille> level1: alt+f2, type in kcontrol
[11:45] <level1> ardchoille: can I keep .bin files mapped to dgen, or should I give that up
[11:45] <ardchoille> level1: You can keep it mapped, the problem is that sometimes when you add a new file assoc, the octet-stream gets removed.
[11:46] <level1> okay
[11:46] <level1> whats next?
[11:46] <ardchoille> Go to KDE Components > File Associations
[11:47] <ardchoille> At the bottom, in the middle, there's an "Add" button, click it
[11:47] <ardchoille> Group: application
[11:47] <level1> octet stream?
[11:47] <ardchoille> Type: octet-stream
[11:47] <level1> okay
[11:48] <ardchoille> Click Ok, the Apply
[11:48] <ardchoille> *then
[11:48] <level1> okay, seems to work now
[11:48] <ardchoille> :)
[11:49] <level1> thanks!
[11:49] <clau85> my kde does not start after logging in. anyone has an idea what myght be wrong/where to loo further?
[11:51] <clau85> I just installed fglrx, but if I use the "ati" driver, it works!
[11:51] <clau85> it looks awful and it's slow, but it works
[11:57] <jjange> hello
[11:58] <jjange> is there anybody who can tell me the defaul passowrd for root?
[11:58] <pag> !root | jjange
[11:58] <ubotu> jjange: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[11:59] <jjange> thanks
[11:59] <gan|y|med> hi
[11:59] <gan|y|med> how can i exclude certain packages from being updated?
[12:01] <Jucato> !pinning
[12:01] <ubotu> pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[12:05] <gan|y|med> thx
[12:05] <user1>  if I have 2 sound cards, how to tell alsa to use one of them as defaut
[12:14] <slow-motion> hi
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> hi
[12:21] <youaredoome0> i need help with ubuntu server
[12:21] <youaredoome0> sg
[12:21] <youaredoome0> arg
[12:22] <user1> we failed to help
[12:24] <WaltzingAlong> which help, that is the key
[12:31] <foenig> hi@all
[12:31] <nosrednaekim> hi foenig
[12:32] <whip> hi
[12:32] <whip> can somebody help me with my printer?
[12:33] <puppetmaster> Hello everyone
[12:33] <puppetmaster> I can't run compiz
[12:33] <nosrednaekim> puppetmaster: whats the problem?
[12:33] <puppetmaster> I have a motherboard type: ASUS P4V8X-MX
[12:33] <nosrednaekim> !hardware | whip
[12:33] <ubotu> whip: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[12:34] <puppetmaster> no 3d desktop effect support
[12:34] <puppetmaster> whatshould I do my friend
[12:34] <foenig> im catching a rm stream with mplayer as wav ... without any parameters ... the file is an .wav - only mplayer plays it - how can i work with it outside mplayer? any suggestions
[12:34] <nosrednaekim> puppetmaster: what graphics card.
[12:35] <foenig> uups ... i found the mplayer channel
[12:35] <puppetmaster> my graphical card is built it : VIA/S3G Unichrome Pro IGP
[12:35] <whip> hi yes, i found it in the hardware support
[12:35] <whip> it is the hp laserjet 1100
[12:36] <whip> the driver is hpijs
[12:36] <whip> should i install it via apt-get ?
[12:37] <puppetmaster> So!!
[12:37] <whip> i've installed the driver, and now?
[12:37] <whip> ;)
[12:37] <nosrednaekim> whip: its already installed
[12:37] <whip> how?
[12:37] <nosrednaekim> puppetmaster: you're out of luck then, you're not getting a 3d desktop out of that
[12:38] <whip> it's installed?
[12:38] <nosrednaekim> whip: system-settings-> printer
[12:38] <puppetmaster> So it's a hopless case my friend?
[12:38] <whip> ok,
[12:38] <whip> mom,
[12:38] <nosrednaekim> whip: by default, yes
[12:38] <nosrednaekim> puppetmaster: pretty much.
[12:38] <puppetmaster> thank you 4 ur help
[12:38] <nosrednaekim> puppetmaster: go get yourself a cheap Nvidia card.
[12:38] <puppetmaster> ok
[12:38] <puppetmaster> thanks
[12:39] <whip> @nosrednaekim i think there is something wrong,
[12:39] <nosrednaekim> YW
[12:39] <whip> cause it takes really long to open the printer
[12:39] <whip> i open settings, and than i open printer, and it takes really really long,
[12:39] <whip> is this normal?
[12:40] <nosrednaekim> whip: as long as it opens, yes its normal.
[12:40] <whip> ok.
[12:41] <whip> in this case i wait, a little bit
[12:41] <nosrednaekim> whip: did it open?
[12:42] <whip> not yet
[12:42] <whip> but after i while it opens,
[12:42] <whip> i know because i already tried to install the printer, but with no luck
[12:42] <nosrednaekim> ok
[12:42] <whip> so i have to wait about 3min... i think then it opens,
[12:42] <llutz> Moin
[12:42] <whip> don't know why it does take so long...
[12:45] <whip> ok,
[12:45] <whip> now it is here...
[12:46] <whip> @nosrednaekim i'm ready
[12:46] <nosrednaekim> whip: delete the printer you added.
[12:46] <whip> i didn't add anyone yet,
[12:46] <whip> cause i didnt found where to add,
[12:46] <whip> i already searched for it
[12:46] <whip> ;/
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> well, then click the "add" button and add a printer/class
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> and that should step you through it
[12:47] <whip> this button is disabled
[12:47] <busfahrer> Hi, I was wondering, Compiz is now integrated into Ubuntu, but whats the proper way to activate it in Kubuntu?
[12:47] <whip> i dont know why?
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> !compiz
[12:48] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> whip: go into admin mode
[12:48] <whip> ok,
[12:48] <whip> now a red box is there, but nothing in it
[12:48] <busfahrer> thank you!
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> erk.... ok....
[12:49] <nosrednaekim> close that then, and run "kprinter" from the command line, and add a printer from there.
[12:49] <whip> i also had this once,
[12:49] <whip> than i had to wait,
[12:49] <whip> until it came there...
[12:49] <nosrednaekim> ah
[12:49] <whip> do i need cups?
[12:49] <eduardiyo> anyone use AWN under kubuntu 7.10?
[12:49] <whip> is it installed by default?
[12:50] <eduardiyo> i can't start the application when i click on Awn Manager
[12:50] <eduardiyo> :S
[12:50] <nosrednaekim> !AWN
[12:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about awn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:50] <nosrednaekim> !avant
[12:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avant - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:50] <nosrednaekim> whip: yes, it is
[12:50] <whip> norednaekim?
[12:51] <whip> do i need the port 631?
[12:51] <gabbah79> when i try to connect to MSN, Kopete always crashes. icq works fine. anyone know about this?
[12:51] <whip> perhaps its blocked, and that is it?
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> whip: thats possible if you have a firewall.
[12:51] <whip> ok,
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> gabbah79: do a complete update.
[12:51] <gabbah79> oh true i haven't done that yet...
[12:52] <nosrednaekim> gabbah79: it was a problem with the release version of the kdelibs, an update should fix it nicely
[12:52] <gabbah79> when i did it before (have reinstalled since then), it always says there was some error to commit the changes, and then it says installation complete... weird
[12:52] <nosrednaekim> update you package lists first?
[12:53] <gabbah79> so on first update i get an error saying some audioport lib is no longer supported, and after that i always get that annoying error msg whenever i install something
[12:53] <gabbah79> yeah, when i get the latest updates of my packages, thats when i get the audioport lib error
[12:54] <gabbah79> so basically first thing i update with synaptic screws me
[12:54] <gabbah79> FIRST update after clean install.. :(
[12:54] <nosrednaekim> gabbah79: just uninstall that audioportlib
[12:55] <busfahrer> When I do compiz --replace, all my windows lose their decorations (titlebar, border, etc). I'm using Kubuntu 7.10 that I updated from 7.04. Any ideas?
[12:55] <gabbah79> nosrednaekim: ok i will try that
[12:55] <nosrednaekim> busfahrer: is this an nvidia cart?
[12:55] <nosrednaekim> *card
[12:55] <busfahrer> nosrednaekim: Yes.
[12:55] <nosrednaekim> !addARGBLXVisuals
[12:56] <emilsedgh> busfahrer: do you have compiz-kde package ?
[12:56] <busfahrer> emilsedgh: Yes.
[12:56] <busfahrer> btw, also, when i run ccsm, all the icons are replaced by a "not found" icon.
[12:56] <whip> ok,
[12:56] <whip> it is also disabled
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> busfahrer: normal.
[12:57] <busfahrer> OK, but what about the decorations? :-)
[12:57] <Eduardiyo> anyone knows a how-to to configure AWN (Dock)
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> busfahrer: check your xorg.conf and see if you have a "addARGBGLXVisuals line.
[12:58] <busfahrer> nosrednaekim: Nope, what's the correct syntax?
[12:58] <nosrednaekim> busfahrer: I shall check
[12:58] <busfahrer> got it, brb
[12:59] <parasit> hi for all
[12:59] <nosrednaekim> whip: ok, run "kprinter"
[12:59] <ardchoille> Eduardiyo: I seem to remember a wiki page about AWN
[13:01] <whip> where and how?
[13:01] <parasit> Can anybody help me?   I can't download firefox from "add / remowe program". on press apply its close imidently
[13:01] <gabbah79> nosrednaekim: "there was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."  :(   Same as always...
[13:01] <whip> ok,
[13:01] <whip> i have kprinter
[13:02] <parasit> kubuntu 7.04
[13:02] <nosrednaekim> gabbah79: check which packages depends on that library
[13:02] <gabbah79> nosrednaekim: however, it SEEMS everything installed anyway.
[13:02] <gabbah79> well it didn't report what lib was the problem
[13:02] <nosrednaekim> whip: clcik the little ad printer button
[13:04] <Eduardiyo> !es
[13:04] <whip> nothing happens :/
[13:04] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[13:04] <gabbah79> nosrednaekim: i don't know what package is causing the problem actually. i just think it was some audioport lib thingy.. but i couldn't find it when i searched
[13:04] <nosrednaekim> hrm..ok
[13:04] <whip> so you mean, if i get into this "menu" -> add printer,
[13:04] <parasit> Anybody hear me&
[13:04] <whip> i can normally chose laserjet1100
[13:05] <whip> and add it normally?
[13:05] <parasit> i cant download mozilla what  kind of trouble can be ?/
[13:05] <nosrednaekim> when you run kprinter, press the little wand.and follow the dialog
[13:06] <nosrednaekim> parasit: try "sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox" on the command line
[13:06] <whip> hey, now its active ;)
[13:06] <whip> i'm only trying to open this menu
[13:07] <whip> ;)
[13:07] <whip> but now i have "printer/class" enabled...
[13:07] <whip> perhaps that i started kprinter? and choose there "cups" ?
[13:08] <nosrednaekim> oh.... you did that?
[13:08] <nosrednaekim> <_<
[13:08] <nosrednaekim> could be
[13:08] <whip> yep
[13:09] <nosrednaekim> so is it all working now?
[13:09] <parasit> how i can change  place of download without updating of header file &
[13:10] <parasit> server wrote error 404
[13:10] <nosrednaekim> parasit: adept_manager->adept->manage repositories
[13:10] <whip> the menu is enabled,
[13:10] <whip> i clicked on it,
[13:10] <nosrednaekim> and...
[13:10] <whip> but it seems to take really long to open
[13:10] <nosrednaekim> yeah, it can
[13:11] <whip> hey, funny
[13:11] <whip> ;)
[13:11] <whip> i made a
[13:11] <whip> cupsys restart
[13:11] <whip> and now its open ;) fine
[13:11] <whip> ;)
[13:11] <nosrednaekim> LD
[13:11] <nosrednaekim> XD:
[13:11] <whip> ok,
[13:11] <whip> now i can choose
[13:11] <whip> local parallel
[13:11] <whip> for what is the "printerclass"?
[13:12] <nosrednaekim> don't worry about that.
[13:13] <whip> yep,
[13:13] <whip> but i'm interested in it, what it is ;)
[13:13] <whip> a cluster of printers?
[13:13] <parasit> and i need download headers isn
[13:13] <whip> or what?
[13:13] <whip> ;)
[13:13] <nosrednaekim> whip: yeah.... something like that
[13:13] <whip> norednaekim, thank you for help
[13:14] <nosrednaekim> parasit: after updating that, yes.
[13:14] <whip> gonna reboot, and deactivate iptables, and try the whole thing again ;)
[13:14] <whip> thank you ;)
[13:14] <bazhang> is kubuntu hardy now topic in #ubuntu +1 the alpha just came out :}
[13:14] <nosrednaekim> YW
[13:14] <whip> gonna hear us again ;)
[13:15] <parasit> I khow about some text file with this files i can change it :)
[13:15] <parasit> ?
[13:15] <stdin> bazhang: hardy has been on-topic in +1 since the tool-chain was uploaded
[13:15] <parasit> sorry with setting of server adresses
[13:15] <nosrednaekim> parasit: /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:16] <nosrednaekim> !source-o-matic
[13:16] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[13:16] <bazhang> stdin: thanks! just didn't want to be #off-topic :}
[13:17] <nosrednaekim> stdin: is it possible for you to package up pykde4?
[13:17] <parasit> and last question do anybody know any good downloader  and how it works :)
[13:18] <nosrednaekim> wget?
[13:18] <nosrednaekim> kget..
[13:18] <stdin> nosrednaekim: don't know, haven't even looked at it yet
[13:18] <Ruger> G'day.
[13:18] <Ruger> Would anyone here mind helping me choose an OS?
[13:18] <ardchoille> parasit: kget is nice for a gui downloader
[13:18] <Ruger> or distro rather
[13:18] <nosrednaekim> stdin: I think its in svn.... t'would be very helpful for me.
[13:18] <nosrednaekim> Ruger: sure... what are your needs.
[13:18] <ardchoille> Ruger: I recommend kubuntu
[13:18] <ere4si> !kubuntu
[13:18] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[13:18] <nosrednaekim> duh ;)
[13:18] <Ruger> Needs to support the NIC card without finding drivers, and work on a 1.5ghZ with 256mb
[13:18] <ardchoille> hehe
[13:19] <stdin> nosrednaekim: packaging something from svn, with no dependency information... fun :/
[13:19] <stdin> :p
[13:19] <nosrednaekim> KDe should work there.
[13:19] <Ruger> KDe?
[13:19] <nosrednaekim> stdin: heh :D, I don't think it has any deps besides KDeibs and python
[13:19] <ardchoille> Kde Desktop Environment
[13:19] <Ruger> *cough* Where can I find that?
[13:19] <Ruger> And thanks.
[13:19] <nosrednaekim> Ruger: have you ever used linux before?
[13:19] <Ruger> Yes.
[13:20] <Ruger> Not much however.
[13:20] <stdin> nosrednaekim: I'll put it somewhere on my "look at doing before putting on my todo list"
[13:20] <stdin> ...list
[13:20] <ardchoille> Ruger: Kubuntu uses KDE as the default DE
[13:20] <nosrednaekim> stdin: thanks :D
[13:20] <parasit> ok thanks i'll be back
[13:20] <Ruger> Okay, so just download the kubuntu iso..
[13:20] <ardchoille> stdin: So you have a ToDo list for your ToDo list?  ;)
[13:20] <Ruger> Is there any specific version I need?
[13:21] <nosrednaekim> Ruger: get the 7.10 x86 desktop.
[13:21] <stdin> ardchoille: yeah, needed it because my ToDo list got so long :p
[13:21] <Ruger> Okay, will see if I can find it thank you.
[13:21] <ardchoille> stdin: lol
[13:21] <ardchoille> !kubuntu | Ruger
[13:21] <ubotu> Ruger: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[13:22] <Ruger> ... I'm in #kubuntu =_=
[13:22] <Ruger> Single CD .iso? Very nice, the last ones I used were 4-5. . . I'll go do this, thank you kind sirs.
[13:22] <whip_> are u here again?
[13:22] <nosrednaekim> me?
[13:22] <whip_> yep
[13:23] <whip_> i know what the problem was ;)
[13:23] <whip_> if u wanna now
[13:23] <nosrednaekim> sure
[13:23] <whip_> i had configured my firewall
[13:23] <whip_> and thats why the button was disabled,
[13:23] <nosrednaekim> ah
[13:23] <whip_> cause cups couldn't create a connection
[13:23] <whip_> so for configuring the printer
[13:23] <whip_> i disabled my firewall,
[13:24] <nosrednaekim> well, you should have just opened port 631
[13:24] <whip_> in kprinter i've selected "cups" as printer daemon
[13:24] <whip_> dann i normally configured the printer
[13:24] <whip_> and restarted with the old firerwall settings
[13:24] <whip_> and everything normally works and i can print,
[13:25] <whip_> so the old settings of the firewall are ok for printing,
[13:25] <whip_> but not for configuring a printer ;)
[13:25] <whip_> so you have to disable firewall for configuring a printer and make sure you are using cups
[13:25] <whip_> ;)
[13:25] <whip_> yes i tried to open port 631
[13:25] <whip_> in both directions but,
[13:25] <nosrednaekim> well.... good job :D
[13:25] <whip_> that where the problem was
[13:25] <whip_> i had to restart cupsys a couple of times
[13:26] <whip_> and it hung, and troubled ;)
[13:26] <whip_> so i think a firewall rule was it ;)
[13:26] <whip_> not only 631 ;)
[13:26] <whip_> i dont really know what it really was ;)
[13:26] <whip_> but the firewall made mistake's ;)
[13:26] <whip_> (:
[13:26] <whip_> do you know a blutooth sniffer?
[13:27] <whip_> in raw mode?
[13:27] <nosrednaekim> nope
[13:27] <whip_> or can i use every bluetooth stick
[13:27] <nosrednaekim> not every one...
[13:27] <nosrednaekim> !hardware
[13:27] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[13:47] <dm> Hello. I'm running Kubuntu 7.10 with a very very old video card. Where can I reduce the color depth? (I want to try to increase the screen resolution.)
[13:50] <Jucato> have you tried System Settings -> Monitor & Display?
[13:50] <Lynoure> Jucato: I waded through it just now and could not see it there... Weird.
[13:50] <dm> Jucato: Yes, there seems to be no color depth option (yes, I'm in kdesu mode)
[13:51] <Jucato> ah I was thinking of refresh rate :/
[13:51] <Jucato> hm...
[13:51] <Lynoure> I know xorg.conf has it, so why not in the gui...
[13:51] <dm> Jucato: I found in xorg.conf htat there's only a "DefaultDepth 24" line ...
[13:51]  * dm is gonna change it to 16
[13:52] <Jucato> !xconfig
[13:52] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg » - To configure only the driver and resolution, type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh » - See also !FixRes
[13:53] <Lynoure> Nothing wrong with editing the conf manually, if one feel comfy with that (and takes a backup of the old setup)
[13:54] <Cool-Bananaz-29> can firefox in kbuntu play ninemsn and msn.com website videos ?
[13:55] <Lynoure> Cool-Bananaz-29: what format are those in?
[13:55] <Cool-Bananaz-29> Lynoure: flash videos and win mediaplayer 11
[13:56] <Lynoure> Cool-Bananaz-29: most flash videos play if you have a flash plugin...
[13:56] <Lynoure> mediaplayer 11 is not format, though, so hard to say.
[13:57] <dm> Jucato: Thank you. I changed the "DefaultDepth" line to 16 and now got a 1024x768 res w/ 16 bits; I'll try the dpkg cmd.
[13:57] <Cool-Bananaz-29> my x-crashes after i install propriety nvidia driver for my geforce2 64mb 400mx card and restart it and idea whats happening?
[13:59] <Cool-Bananaz-29> my x-crashes after i install propriety nvidia driver for my geforce2 64mb 400mx card and restart it and idea whats happening?........i then have to sudo dpkg-reconfigure the generic driver(nv) which comes with kubuntu to use x-server
[14:08] <WaltzingAlong> Cool-Bananaz-29: when it does not load, check the x log at /var/log/Xorg.0.log  which will tell you exactly why the screen had not loaded
[14:25] <nonewmsgs> i thought the "activation follows mouse" vs "click to activate window" was under system settings but i cant find it
[14:26] <dick-richardson> Is the canonical repository available for gutsy yet?
[14:28] <nonewmsgs> i dont know herr richardson
[14:28] <nonewmsgs> i didn't know it was down?
[14:35] <Radi01> I am still sleeping/ Dont wake me up.
[14:36] <BluesKaj> howdy all :)
[14:36] <Radi01> snorz
[14:37] <Radi01> Hello.
[14:38] <Radi01> sudo apt-get uninstall ./bill gates
[14:38] <WaltzingAlong> dick-richardson: yes
[14:38] <WaltzingAlong> dick-richardson: deb     http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu     gutsy   partner main
[14:49] <dick-richardson> WaltzingAlong: Thank you!
[14:51] <Radi01> ya thanks that is a great link.
[14:51] <nonewmsgs> help i was adjusting gamma and refresh rates and now i have this failsafe 640x480 rez
[14:52] <nonewmsgs> and i cant get to the bottom of any moniter window to hange it
[15:01] <Eduardiyo> the awn application it's develop to gnome or kde or is does'nt a problem :S
[15:02] <nonewmsgs> me and my old buddy dpkg reconfigure xorg xserver saved me
[15:03] <Gibby69> nonewmsgs: Try this from the Terminal window,  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[15:03] <nonewmsgs> yeah i got it
[15:04] <nonewmsgs> but when i did...the weird thing is it had all my default hscync and vrefresh rates filled in with the correct ones and this moniter doesnt pnp the right ones
[15:04] <nonewmsgs> and ive always had to manually type them in before and i selected advanced
[15:05] <nonewmsgs> when it first happend i tried to change my xorg.conf to the last saved one and it didn't help
[15:06] <SatManUK> guys if i wanna run kde4 along side kde 3 but don't want to install from the live cd which packages do i need to download from the mirror?
[15:06] <SatManUK> !kde4
[15:06] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. RC 1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[15:08] <jalbert> hello everybody!
[15:08] <fortruth> i want read out the characters between two word in one sentence. ??
[15:09] <jalbert> I have a quick question...
[15:10] <Lynoure> jalbert: quicker still if you ask right away :)
[15:11] <jalbert> well I want to create a root account
[15:11] <stdin> why?
[15:11] <jalbert> that I can just log in to to make changesd
[15:11] <stdin> "sudo -i"
[15:11] <jalbert> so I dont have to keep typing my password
[15:11] <stdin> yeah, "sudo -i"
[15:11] <jalbert> sudo -i?
[15:11] <BluesKaj> how do I get rid of my alter ego in the nicklist the one with underscore ? I've already edited it out of second choice nick.
[15:11] <jalbert> ok
[15:12] <stdin> bit late but...
[15:12] <stdin> !ghost
[15:12] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[15:12] <BluesKaj> I tried the ghost cmnd but it obviously doesn't apply here
[15:13] <stdin> should work as long as they are both registered
[15:14] <BluesKaj> yeah stdin , I see what goes ...the _ isn't registered and i took it out of my choice list
[15:14] <jalbert> ok one mre thing...
[15:15] <guev> qualcuno che ha dimestichezza con gcc e freeradius
[15:15] <stdin> !it | guev
[15:15] <ubotu> guev: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[15:15] <jalbert> every time I log in, it resumes my session
[15:15] <BluesKaj> !it
[15:15] <jalbert> I'd prefer it not do that
[15:15] <guev> ok
[15:16] <jalbert> isn't there a session initialization file I can edit or something?
[15:16] <stdin> jalbert: system settings > advanced > session manager,  choose "start with an empty session"
[15:16] <Jucato> jalbert: System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Session Manager
[15:16] <Jucato> bah... too slow ;(
[15:16] <stdin> no cookie for you :p
[15:17] <Jucato> stdin: get your other IRC cloak soon :)
[15:17] <stdin> Jucato: heh, yeah. when someone with freenode-foo is about :)
[15:18] <jalbert> ok thanks
[15:20] <Norgur> hi
[15:21] <CPrgmSwR2> My kaudiocreator crashed and I had 5 cd's in queue to be encoded.... now I have to re-read those five cds why doesn't it resume those jobs?
[15:23] <SatManUK> !apt
[15:23] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[15:23] <SatManUK> !aptrecover
[15:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aptrecover - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:24] <sMonk> How do you mount your HD's under the Live CD?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix | SatManUK
[15:24] <ubotu> SatManUK: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[15:24] <SatManUK> thanks
[15:24] <BluesKaj> yw
[15:25] <ahmad> 3d acceleration is not working on ati mobility x1600
[15:25] <kraut> moin
[15:25] <stdin> sMonk: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[15:26] <ahmad> althogh i istalled ati driver
[15:26] <hcbox> i got an user who disapear but still here with a fresh install, how can i remove it ?
[15:26] <ahmad> any one help
[15:29] <agn0stic> hcbox: remove the user? deluser username
[15:29] <agn0stic> hcbox: in a terminal.
[15:29] <hcbox> ah thanks ... spend 10 minutes seeking the commande : )
[15:29] <hcbox> tried remuser /remusr / removeuser :)
[15:30] <agn0stic> it can be hard to find commands sometimes!
[15:30] <age1172> 3d acceleration is not working good on ati mobilty x1600 although driver was instlled
[15:30] <age1172> help please
[15:31] <waylandbill> it's not hard to find commands. Try apropos sometime.
[15:32] <age1172> because i start to change my mind about using kubuntu because of a lot of problems
[15:32] <waylandbill> apropos user shows me that there is userdel and deluser.
[15:32] <BluesKaj> age1172, on gutsy ?
[15:32] <age1172> yes
[15:33] <age1172> BluesKaj: yes
[15:33] <age1172> BluesKaj: also no sound
[15:33] <jhutchins> age1172: Look, we really don't care if you use *ubuntu or Windows or OSX, it says more about you than it says about the systems.
[15:34] <jhutchins> age1172: You should know that until very recently ATI was very bad about cooperating with open source projects, and their 3D performance in Linux is way behind other manufacturers.
[15:34] <jhutchins> age1172: They have recently begun to cooperate more though, so things might be improving.
[15:35] <age1172> jhutchins: what about sound
[15:36] <age1172> reatek HD is incooperative also
[15:36] <jhutchins> We're just other people, most of whom use kubuntu, and some of whom may have seen your problem before.
[15:37] <m477> how upgrade wine ?
[15:38] <NickPresta> m477, which  version do you have? (Type: wine --version)
[15:38] <m477> 9.33 NickPresta
[15:38] <m477> ops 9.49
[15:40] <NickPresta> m477, well, 0.9.49 is the latest (stable) version, I believe. They have snapshot 0.9.50 available if you want to compile it yourself. To add the wine repo, http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[15:40] <m477> NickPresta: or maybe do you know how open bat files in wine ?
[15:41] <jhutchins> age1172: Looks like this sound chipset is a problem in Windows as well.  This may be helpful: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/sound-not-working-with-hdaintel-realtek-hd-under-ubuntu-dapper-514492/
[15:41] <NickPresta> m477, nope, can't say that I do. You might just want to open up the BAT file in a text editor and try to recreate the program in BASH or something
[15:44] <Alikus> anyone know what is the qt version on kubuntu 7.10?
[15:44] <JackWinter> are there instruction for installing the kde enviroment on ubuntu-studio?
[15:44] <m477> NickPresta:  i dont know how to do that
[15:45] <stdin> Alikus: which one, 3 or 4?
[15:45] <Alikus> 4
[15:45] <stdin> 4.3.2-0ubuntu3.1
[15:46] <stdin> (so 4.3.2 base version)
[15:46] <m477> how check what version kubuntu i have  ?
[15:46] <stdin> !version | m477
[15:46] <ubotu> m477: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[15:47] <JackWinter> "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"?
[15:48] <Lynoure> JackWinter: I have not used ubuntu-studio, but for ubuntu that would work
[15:48] <WaltzingAlong> JackWinter: that would do it though i would recommend using sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop       instead
[15:50] <agn0stic> WaltzingAlong: In your opinion, what's the benefit of aptitude over apt-get?
[15:50] <JackWinter> or may synaptic?  so many options ;-)  i tried once to install ubuntu-desktop on my kubuntu, and ended up with a not very well working gnome desktop.  didn't spend uch time on fixing it though ;-)
[15:51] <Alikus> stdin: tnx a lot :)
[15:51] <JackWinter> yeah, me too interested in benefits of using aptitude!
[15:51] <WaltzingAlong> !aptitude | agn0stic
[15:51] <ubotu> agn0stic: aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[15:52] <WaltzingAlong> JackWinter: ^^ see above
[15:53] <chx> is there a kio slave for svn?
[15:53] <chx> i tried to google...
[15:53] <stdin> chx: yes
[15:53] <chx> stdin: care to elaborate a bit?
[15:53] <stdin> chx: it's "svn://" :)
[15:54] <chx> haha
[15:54] <chx> is there some docs...?
[15:54] <chx> is it readonly, or i can commit somehow?
[15:54] <stdin> not sure, I only ever use it to browse
[15:54] <chx> http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/kioslave/
[15:54] <chx> I look here
[15:54] <chx> and nothing
[15:54] <stdin> try #kde
[15:55] <m477> NickPresta:  i did it a few times and didnt change version
[16:23] <smooker> hi ppls
[16:23] <smooker> cani ask questions about ubuntu here ? :)
[16:24] <NickPresta> smooker, join #ubuntu
[16:24] <smooker> 10z
[16:24] <smooker> 10x :)
[16:24] <jordinateur> salut
[16:24] <jordinateur> ya du monde ou quoi ??
[16:24] <jordinateur> ooo trop dla balle
[16:24] <NickPresta> !fr | jordinateur
[16:24] <ubotu> jordinateur: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[16:24] <jordinateur> j'arrive enfin à me connecter à internet !
[16:43] <smooker> hey all, i got problems with installing Kubuntu on my PC, seems it doesnt detect the my SATA hdd
[16:43] <smooker> i dont see any hdd on the installation ..
[16:47] <SatManUK> smooker: stupid question but it is seen by the bios ?
[16:48] <smooker> yes, it is
[16:49] <smooker> i have installed ubuntu
[16:49] <smooker> on the pc
[16:49] <DECUSgeek> the driver probably isn't in the initrd image.
[16:49] <smooker> but i cant install kubuntu
[16:50] <DECUSgeek> Same versions of Ubuntu and Kubuntu?
[16:50] <smooker> no
[16:50] <smooker> kubuntu was 7.10 ubuntu was older
[16:51] <smooker> i love kubuntu :)
[16:51] <jhutchins> smooker: The difference between ubuntu and kubuntu is the desktop/GUI environment.  Hardware handling is pretty much the same.
[16:51] <smooker> hmm, i dont know :S i tryed 10 times to lookup the hdd but no hdd detected with kubuntu
[16:51] <SatManUK> smooker: can't you just install ubuntu and then sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[16:51] <SatManUK> smooker: can't you just install ubuntu and then sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[16:52] <smooker> atm i have problems with Xserver on ubuntu
[16:52] <smooker> but ill try in safe mode
[16:52] <SatManUK> then if necessary i guess you can sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-desktop after if you wanted.
[16:52] <SatManUK> strange..
[16:52] <jordinateur> Sorry but I need just to know how to open a new tab to kubuntu.fr please
[16:52] <SatManUK> it just works on my pc - my pc is only 3 weeks old and has never known anything else :)
[16:52] <NickPresta> to get pure KDE, you would do !purekde
[16:53] <matttis> hi
[16:53] <NickPresta> hi
[16:53] <jordinateur> yo
[16:53] <matttis> how do i create a konquerer link to my home dir ?
[16:53] <NickPresta> matttis, like on your Desktop?
[16:53] <galathalion> is xmms2 the new xmms or what+
[16:54] <matttis> NickNak: i got no such link
[16:54] <jordinateur> okay I've find
[16:54] <jordinateur> good bye
[16:54] <matttis> bye
[16:54] <jordinateur> o no
[16:54] <jordinateur> I don't have find -_-"
[16:54] <jordinateur> there's noone in the channel
[16:55] <jordinateur> I don't understand how to open a new tab to speak with frenchs
[16:55] <jhutchins> jordinateur: /join #kubuntu-fr
[16:55] <NickPresta> matttis, right click on your Desktop, Create New > Link to Application > Fill in the name and change the icon if you want. Then on the Application tab, in the command box, put "konqueror ~"
[16:55] <SatManUK> jordinateur: which program are you running usually just type /j channel name works
[16:55] <jhutchins> NickPresta: ~/
[16:56] <SatManUK> ie /j kubuntu.fr
[16:56] <jembouge> good evening everyone
[16:56] <matttis> thanks,
[16:56] <jordinateur> okay there's a "-" not a point between kubuntu and fr ! thank you bye
[16:56] <SatManUK> no problem arreviour
[16:57] <jordinateur> arreviour ?
[16:57] <SatManUK> maybe i spelt it wrong
[16:57] <SatManUK> good bye in french
[16:57] <DECUSgeek> Au revoire?
[16:57] <matttis> aurevori
[16:57] <SatManUK> whatever
[16:57] <matttis> Au revoir  i mean
[16:57] <SatManUK> i dropped french when i was 13..
[16:58] <SatManUK> its been about 18 years since i last learned it so..
[16:58] <jembouge> Hi there, I have a problem with kdm (I guess) when I want to log in my box.
[16:58] <smooker> is there any other good distro as Kubuntu ?
[16:58] <jordinateur> okay i understood that but i didn't know if you know the real word ;p
[16:58] <smooker> like kubuntu i mean..
[16:59] <SatManUK> smooker: i like opensuse but its too slow to download from my location.
[16:59] <SatManUK> opensuse.org
[16:59] <jembouge> can anyone tell my how to change the text size on kde's login screen?
[16:59] <SatManUK> thats backed my novell
[16:59] <TheGateKeeper> smooker, about 300+ at the last count lol
[17:00] <DECUSgeek> good distro is in the mind of the beholder
[17:00] <jembouge> it's all so huge I don't know what I'm doing
[17:00] <TheGateKeeper> what do you want from your distro?
[17:01] <smooker> what u recomend ? :P
[17:01] <smooker> which *
[17:01] <TheGateKeeper> smooker, what do you want from your distro?
[17:01] <SatManUK> i like installable packages - be it rpm or deb or pcb (pc bsd) i don't like having to make compile and such things..
[17:02] <SatManUK> smooker: i like OpenSuse myself but im using kubuntu because its supported here no other distro is (i guess debian would be as a lot of the deb files i guess will work on both
[17:02] <SatManUK> )
[17:02] <DECUSgeek> that cuts out Gentoo and Slackware
[17:03] <smooker> well... emulating some games like CS :) ... cool effects like uberul ..
[17:03] <smooker> beryl*
[17:04] <TheGateKeeper> quite a few distros are installing compiz-fusion by default
[17:04] <jhutchins> smooker: http://distrowatch.org
[17:06] <smooker> btw, anyone know which OS (except MAC and Winbozz) is the mostly used ? (sry my eng :) )
[17:07] <bazhang> smooker: kubuntu and ubuntu
[17:07] <smooker> xD i think so :D
[17:07] <Trillis> Yay, I'm back.
[17:07] <llutz> smooker: desktop/server/mobile, used where?
[17:08]  * Trillis wonders if stdn or viper is still here...
[17:08] <smooker> desktop&alternate server.
[17:08] <smooker> but now im looking only for desktop
[17:08] <smooker> for now.. coz i have 1 more pc :P
[17:08] <Trillis> I have a question, perhaps someone call help me answer. Would it be possible to add a dual processor to my existing Dell?
[17:09] <Trillis> can*
[17:09] <francisco> algun español aqui?
[17:09] <smooker> Trillis if your dell support upgrades.. , look at the web for your model :)
[17:09] <jembouge> lo hablo solo un poquo si :)
[17:10] <Trillis> Mi tu :-D
[17:10] <Lynoure> !es | francisco
[17:10] <ubotu> francisco: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[17:10] <jembouge> tienes tu respuesta
[17:10] <jembouge> :p
[17:10] <Trillis> How do I find out the model of my PC oN Linux?
[17:10] <smooker> omg evryone here espanol xD
[17:10] <smooker> where is Kubuntu created ? :P
[17:11] <Radi01> kubuntu town
[17:11] <smooker> xD really ?
[17:11] <Trillis> I know the model is DHM...
[17:12] <Lynoure> smooker: online/everywhere, hard to put a more accurate location tag to it.
[17:12] <smooker> :)
[17:12] <smooker> i am tierd of Winbozz
[17:13] <smooker> and now i can run my server under Linux with more security :))
[17:13] <smooker> my ISP uses Linux and recomend for servers  :))
[17:14] <Trillis> Linux is confusing :(
[17:14] <smooker> wow i dont think so
[17:14] <Trillis> Hehe, I just switched to it from winx.
[17:14] <Trillis> winxp*
[17:15] <smooker> me too but since i was angry last year on Winxp i tryed ~10 Linux OS's
[17:15] <Trillis> I tried to install some drivers for a usb wireless device, and I spent all night in this chatroom with people helping me. <3. I had to configure all of this ndiswrapper, etc...
[17:15] <emilsedgh> Trillis: linux is not confusing.its just differrent in some places
[17:16] <smooker> Linux is just not windows :))
[17:16] <Trillis> Heheh, I'm a point-and click moron.
[17:16] <emilsedgh> Trillis: please remember that this problem is caused by hardware vendors...
[17:16] <Trillis> Heheh, true.
[17:16] <Lynoure> Trillis: it takes some getting used to, I bet, but be patient with the change :)
[17:16] <Trillis> The only step I have remaning is I have to download something called Wine.
[17:17] <smooker> Trillis for me configuring is like hobby :P i love to program and go deeep in the *** at my PC heh :P
[17:17] <emilsedgh> Trillis: why you want wine?
[17:18] <Trillis> I was trying to do a unshield x data3.cab or something like that in the console, and I continued to get "Aborted". So the people here told me to get wine and extract it from the exe file.
[17:20] <TimS> Trills you shouldnt need wine to extract them
[17:21] <TimS> Trillis: just in ther terminal unzip <driver_archive>.exe
[17:21] <Trillis> the konsole?
[17:21] <TimS> Yeah
[17:21] <Kr4t05> If I'm not mistaken, I can rip audio from a video file using mplayer, right?
[17:22] <tyfon> there is also a program called cabextract
[17:22] <Trillis> Oh
[17:22] <Trillis> I had to use that.
[17:22] <TimS> What drivers are they Trills?
[17:22] <llutz> Kr4t05: use -dumpaudio
[17:23] <Trillis> Drivers for D-Link DWA-130 Wireless N USB Adapter.
[17:23] <smooker> anyone know how do i terminate the X server ? (coz i need to install my nVidia Drivers)
[17:23] <NickPresta> Kr4t05, mplayer -dumpaudio something.mpg -dumpfile soemthing.mp3
[17:23] <NickPresta> Kr4t05, something like that, I suppose
[17:23] <smooker> how to exit from X server..
[17:23] <smooker> ?
[17:23] <Kr4t05> NickPresta: Thanks.
[17:24] <TimS> Right, after you have unzip bla.exe, navigate therough the folders till your in a directory with a .inf file, then sudo ndiswrapper -i <your_ralink_driver>.inf
[17:25] <TimS> Then launch KnetworkApplet and it should work
[17:25] <Trillis> I got the driver to load in W(someword with W in the beginning)Wireless Drivers.
[17:25] <Trillis> But it said "name.inf. Hardware installed: No".
[17:26] <TimS> Is ther hardware connected?
[17:26] <smooker> anyone ? how do i exit X server ?
[17:26] <llutz> smooker: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[17:26] <Trillis> You can't, it eats you alive. Cuz it is t3h ebil! :-o
[17:26] <TimS> smooker: Log out and there should be an option to load a console
[17:27] <TimS> Trills run sudo ndiswrapper -I and tell me the output
[17:27] <Trillis> It'll take a minute.
[17:27] <Trillis> And yes.
[17:27] <TimS> Okay
[17:27] <Trillis> I had the hardware plugged in.
[17:27] <TimS> Cool
[17:28] <TimS> ndiswrapper -l sorry, its a lowercase L
[17:31] <francesco> it
[17:31] <francesco> !it
[17:31] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[17:32] <Trillis> k
[17:32] <Trillis> It gave me a bunch of options.
[17:32] <Trillis> -i -d -e -l -m
[17:34] <Trillis> TimS?
[17:34] <Trillis> oh
[17:34] <Trillis> lowercase l..
[17:34] <TimS> You want ndiswrapper -l
[17:34] <TimS> Yeah
[17:36] <Trillis> It said netsmf430 or something like that "invalid driver" or something
[17:37] <TimS> Hmm odd, seems it diddnt install properly, are you sure you installed the correct driver for your device?
[17:38] <Trillis> nope
[17:38] <Trillis> I think this was the problem...
[17:39] <Kr4t05> Okay, next question.
[17:39] <Trillis> Oh yeah, then he gave me a link that had the drivers from the site, and I extracted them, then I used cabex something to install one of them, the we tried the unshield x data3.cab and it got the Aborted error, thats when he told me to get Wine.
[17:40] <TimS> Well Wine is in the reppos but I dont see how it could help. If hes still arround just carry on with what he said and see where it gets you
[17:40] <Kr4t05> I have a directory in my home folder that has a large number of empty folders within it. Rather than go through by hand and remove the empty folders, I want a more efficient (read: lazy) method. I know that it would involve 'fine',
[17:40] <Kr4t05> 'find'*, 'rmdir', and a loop or two.
[17:41] <Trillis> hm...k
[17:41] <Kr4t05> What's the best/safest way to do this?
[17:41] <TimS> Im not really sure what he has in mind as Ive never seen wine used for this before
[17:43] <TimS> Kr4t05: find * -size 0? See how many that gives you
[17:43] <TimS> Make sure your in the right directory obviously
[17:43] <TimS> Check through the list to see if they are all folders
[17:44] <Kr4t05> TimS:" find -empty" does what I want it to.
[17:44] <TimS> Ah
[17:44] <TimS> -delete?
[17:45] <Kr4t05> TimS: Doesn't seem to work.
[17:45] <TimS> Hmm
[17:45] <NickPresta> Kr4t05, perhaps: find . -type d -empty -print0 | xargs rmdir
[17:46] <TimS> Kr4t05: Odd it worked for me
[17:46] <Kr4t05> rmdir: Missing operand
[17:46] <tyfon> find . -type d -empty -exec rmdir {} \;
[17:47] <TimS> find -empty -delete works fine here, Although i cant see why you wouldnt have rmdir
[17:47] <Kr4t05> Hrm...
[17:47] <Kr4t05> tyfon: Doesn't seem to work.
[17:47] <tyfon> thats odd
[17:48] <NickPresta> Kr4t05, what doesn't work? it doesn't find the dir? it doesn't delete?
[17:48] <Kr4t05> "find -empty -delete' doesn't give any errors, but the empty folders are still there.
[17:48] <Kr4t05> Same for tyfon's command.
[17:49] <NickPresta> Kr4t05, I just tried `find . -type d -empty -print0 | xargs rmdir` and it worked for me. *shrugs*
[17:49] <TimS> Kr4t05: do you have permission to delete?
[17:49] <Kr4t05> Maybe I'm using a bad shell?
[17:50] <Kr4t05> TimS: Yeah.
[17:50] <TimS> run it with sudo, just to see
[17:50] <Kr4t05> Nothing.
[17:51] <ilor_> Kr4t05: what does "find -type d -empty" print?
[17:51] <NickPresta> Kr4t05, echo $SHELL
[17:52] <Kr4t05> Ni
[17:52] <Kr4t05> NickPresta: /bin/bash
[17:52] <NickPresta> Kr4t05, me too. Strange.
[17:52] <Wilde_Sehnsucht> Kr4t05: may be this: http://tinyapps.org/weblog/nix/200711070700_delete_empty_directories.html could help?
[17:52] <Kr4t05> ilor_: No output.
[17:52] <ilor_> Kr4t05: are you positive there *are* empty directories?
[17:53] <ilor_> go into one and ls -lA
[17:53] <NickPresta> Kr4t05, do what I did: mkdir emptydir && find emptydir/ -type d -empty -print0 | xargs rmdir
[17:53] <NickPresta> Kr4t05, if that doesn't work, something's wrong
[17:54] <Kr4t05> Well, emptydir is gone.
[17:57] <n215> I installed kubuntu couple mins ago. sound card seems installed but i cant hear no voice
[17:58] <nosrednaekim> n215: unmute all channels in kmix
[17:58] <nosrednaekim> n215: you mean like from a microphone?
[17:58] <eljefe_> I want to remote-control a friend's computer with x11vnc.  However, she isn't on a public IP; I am and have my router all set up for it.  How can she reverse her x11vnc (server) to give my IP as a listening (client) address?  From what I've done, the client has to give the server address, and I want to do the opposite.
[17:58] <n215> no, when i play song i cant hear it
[17:59] <n215> i plugged speakers in green hole
[17:59] <n215> thats how it was before
[17:59] <nosrednaekim> n215: ok, unmute all channels in kmix and max all of their volumes.
[17:59] <n215> ok
[17:59] <n215> what Master channel supposed to be
[17:59] <n215> ?
[17:59] <NickPresta> Kr4t05, http://pastebin.com/m474d7984
[17:59] <nosrednaekim> n215: thats the one that is changed when you scroll over the icon.
[18:01] <Kr4t05> I dunno...
[18:01] <Kr4t05> I'll just do it by hand.
[18:01] <XBehave> some muppet just hardlinked a file, is there anyway i could undo this fools mistake?
[18:02] <ilor_> eljefe_: ssh tunnel
[18:02] <katia> Hi
[18:02] <eljefe_> ilor_: i know, but I don't kow how...
[18:02] <katia> can someone help me?
[18:02] <nosrednaekim> katia: whats the problem?
[18:03] <n215> nosrednaekim,  everything is on
[18:03] <katia> I install kubuntu one minute ago, but I cant use the browser
[18:03] <nosrednaekim> n215: still no sound?
[18:03] <nosrednaekim> n215: what are you using for playing music?
[18:03] <ilor_> eljefe_: have the friend ssh into your box with ssh -R someport:localhost:vncport
[18:03] <n215> what about Select master channel representing  the master volume ?
[18:04] <n215> amorak
[18:04] <eljefe_> ssh -l 5500:localhost:5500 user@pu.bl.ic.ip "x11vnc -display :0" ?
[18:04] <nosrednaekim> katia: what does it say?
[18:04] <katia> nosrednaekim: can you help me in privat?
[18:04] <eljefe_> ilor_:  ^^ ?
[18:04] <nosrednaekim> katia: its better here.
[18:04] <ilor_> for instance
[18:04] <katia> ok nosrednaekim
[18:04] <ilor_> then you connect your client to loocalhost:someport
[18:04] <nosrednaekim> n215: right click on the kmenu main window and click "channels"make sure they are all enabled.
[18:05] <katia> the browser don't surf the web
[18:05] <ilor_> eljefe_: thats ssh -R not -l
[18:05] <nosrednaekim> n215: is the equalizer animation showing "sound"  in amarok?
[18:05] <n215> yes it is
[18:05] <eljefe_> ilor_: ok so she would run:  ssh -R 5500:localhost:5500 user@pu.bl.ic.ip "x11vnc -display :0"
[18:05] <n215> if i plug thingy in another hole i can hear music
[18:06] <nosrednaekim> katia: are you talking from this same computer?
[18:06] <n215> but it sound weird
[18:06] <katia> nosrednaekim: yes
[18:06] <n215> lots of noises
[18:06] <eljefe_> will that run the x11vnc program after/as part of the SSH?
[18:06] <ilor_> eljefe_: she should star the vnc server
[18:06] <nosrednaekim> n215: do you have a 5 channel audio card?
[18:06] <n215> yes
[18:06] <ilor_> then ssh into your box with the -R stuff
[18:06] <nosrednaekim> katia: you're not using wireless are you?
[18:07] <katia> nosrednaekim: yes i am using wireless connection
[18:07] <underdog5004> I need a remote desktop server that uses rdp...any suggestions?
[18:07] <n215> i think its supposed to be plugged in green
[18:07] <n215> cuz thingy is green too
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> katia: oh.... hmm.
[18:07] <n215> i have 2 speakers lil ones
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> n215: yeah, it is....
[18:07] <ptakmen> hi guys! kubuntu freezes right after X's loaded, why may it be so?
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> katia: easiest way is probably just to run "sudo apt-get install firefox"  and forget about konqueror.
[18:08] <n215> red dot means muted right?
[18:09] <katia> nosrednaekim: okkkkkkkkk thanks but how can I download it?
[18:09] <weswh-> is there any quicktime plugin for firefox?
[18:09] <eljefe_> ok, so this would be two seperate terminals running then?
[18:09] <eljefe_> ilor_: ok, so this would be two seperate terminals running then?
[18:09] <nosrednaekim> n215: I think thats only for input  channels
[18:09] <dPix> hi
[18:09] <katia> nosrednaekim: wich is the command I have to use?
[18:09] <ilor_> eljefe_: taht would do
[18:09] <nosrednaekim> katia: run that command from a terminal. "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[18:09] <Radi01> win 32 coedcs have quick time
[18:10] <dPix> kubuntu gets freezed when I start COMPIZ-FUSION
[18:10] <dPix> it works for 10 seconds and freezes
[18:10] <weswh-> radio1 - is there a repo for that you know of?
[18:11] <Radi01> Are you using it for browser?
[18:11] <eljefe_> ilor_: when I run the server on my own machine, it 'hangs' running until I close it.  How could I make this run, say in a script, and keep running, yet move onto the next command in the script?  use '&' at the end of the first?  or...?
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> dPix: any errors in the konsole you run it from?
[18:12] <ilor_> eljefe_: & will make it run in the background yes
[18:12] <katia> nosrednaekim: i should download it but the terminal say me the file is obsolete
[18:12] <dPix> nosrednaekim: not really
[18:12] <Do0oDz>  hello .. I'm on gutsy gibbon .. and having problems with amsn .. a couple of days while installing wine in the output I got that there are some packages that aren't used anymore so I autormoved them .. since then amsn doesnt give me sound alerts whenever a person gets online ....
[18:12] <Radi01> weswh
[18:13] <nosrednaekim> katia: ah... just a second.
[18:13] <dPix> nosrednaekim: ive got 3d acceleration, i think error comes from emerald, i took off themes but still freazes and have to reboot
[18:13] <katia> nosrednaekim: ok
[18:14] <n215> i dunno wut  to do
[18:14] <n215> it was working fine when i had a sub woofer and stuff like 2 yrs ago
[18:15] <quigz> anyone know if there is a way to program FPGA board in ubuntu i cant find adept suite for linux
[18:16] <nosrednaekim> katia: run "sudo apt-get update"
[18:16] <nosrednaekim> quigz: hey.... my dad was wanting to do that.
[18:18] <lockd> quigz: openwince-jtag if it's jtag based
[18:18] <lockd> quigz: is it any specific fpga board?
[18:18] <quigz> yeah the nexys2
[18:19] <quigz> i used adept suite in windows and it worked just fine
[18:19] <quigz> but i couldnt assign package pins witht he ise webpack i installed in unbuntu
[18:19] <katia> nosrednaekim: I do it than I write sudo ... firefox but the answer was the same
[18:20] <nosrednaekim> "sudo apt-get get firefox"?
[18:20] <Dr_willis> apt-get install firefox
[18:20] <Dr_willis> ;)
[18:21] <nosrednaekim> AHHH! ehy do I ALWAYS mess up those apt commands :D
[18:21] <Dr_willis> alias agi='sudo apt-get intall '
[18:21] <Dr_willis> :)
[18:21] <nosrednaekim> :D
[18:21] <quigz> lockd: its a nexys 2
[18:22] <katia> nosrednaekim: i write "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[18:22] <mm_work> Anyone else having problems with firefox locking up with 7.10?
[18:22] <nosrednaekim> katia: and whats the EXACT error?
[18:22] <nosrednaekim> cut and paste please.
[18:23] <lockd> quigz: i know very little about microcontrollers. I always thought you 'just' compiled for FPGAs
[18:25] <katia> nosrednaekim:
[18:25] <katia> Il pacchetto firefox non ha versioni disponibili, ma è nominato da un altro
[18:25] <katia> pacchetto. Questo significa che il pacchetto manca, è diventato obsoleto
[18:25] <katia> o è disponibile solo all'interno di un'altra sorgente
[18:25] <katia> E: Il pacchetto firefox non ha candidati da installare
[18:25] <katia> nosrednaekim: I am italian
[18:25] <nosrednaekim> katia: :D there is an italian channel
[18:25] <quigz> lockd: well what i ahve to do is write the verilog then synthesize (complie) then simulate it to "test" it then you have to assign the pins the board uses. i cant seem to get ise webpack to load the program in linux that  assigns the pins once that is done you create a binary file then use adept suite to load that binary file to the board
[18:25] <katia> nosrednaekim: really? where?
[18:25] <katia> nosrednaekim:  hihi sorry...
[18:25] <nosrednaekim> katia: I think you need to enable all of your repositories
[18:25] <nosrednaekim> !it
[18:26] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[18:26] <katia> ok
[18:26] <lockd> not sure if any sane human uses Verilog these dasy
[18:26] <lockd> days
[18:26] <katia> nosrednaekim: thank you very much for your help
[18:26] <katia> bye bye
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> katia: sorry I couldnt help more
[18:27] <ilor_> how to make Kaffeine always change volume with mousewheel and not fwd/rew with it?
[18:27] <eljefe_> ilor_: when I run the reverse ssh on a local test machine, I get "Connection refused" ssh -R 5900:localhost:5900 user@pu.bl.ic.ip
[18:28] <ilor_> check first if you can ssh into your box
[18:29] <eljefe_> i can
[18:29] <eljefe_> ok, so if I run it with the public IP I am refused, but if I run it with the local 192.168.1.xxx IP i can do it fine
[18:29] <eljefe_> but I know that I can do it to the public, since I do it every day from work (but not reverse)...
[18:30] <eljefe_> ilor_: i think you can change the Kaffeine volume if you just scroll over the volume slider
[18:30] <sigma_> anyone know where to find some decent 1280*1024 kubuntu wallpaper?
[18:31] <ilor_> eljefe_: I know. But I'm used yo windows mplayerclassic behaviour, where the wheel changes the voiume regardless of where the cursor is
[18:31] <eljefe_> hmm not sure then
[18:31] <ilor_> plus, in minimal mode there's no slider
[18:31] <bazhang> sigma_: kde-look.org
[18:32] <sigma_> bazhang: tried that, stuff is pretty weak
[18:32] <sigma_> does anyone know where i can get a dvd copy of the ubuntu repositories?
[18:32] <bazhang> sigma_: what are you looking for?
[18:33] <quigz> anyone know if there is a way to program FPGA board in ubuntu i cant find adept suite for linux
[18:33] <sigma_> bazhang: just some wallpaper with the kubuntu + kde logo's but it must be 1280*1024 so i dont have to scale it
[18:34] <bazhang> sigma_: why not create your own? :}
[18:34] <nosrednaekim> sigma_: search on that site for "kubuntu"
[18:34] <bazhang> sigma_: gimp can make that boring stuff way cool
[18:34] <sigma_> bazhang: too much effort involved!
[18:35] <bazhang> sigma_: not really--just two layers and you have some amazing stuff--takes all of two minutes
[18:35] <n215> i need to add some script in startup how i do it? i want it to load after modem is recognized and its firmware loaded
[18:35] <Ace2016> hey the alpha of ubuntu 8.04 is out
[18:36] <Ace2016> called Hardy Heron
[18:36] <nosrednaekim> !autostart
[18:36] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[18:36] <n215> heroin
[18:36] <Ace2016> i swear someone got the idea after me, i called it hardy hardon
[18:36] <nosrednaekim> Ace2016: yup... its unstable
[18:36] <sigma_> Ace2016: where about?
[18:36] <n215> Ace2016,  u lying
[18:36] <Ace2016> http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/11/30/ubuntu-8-04-hardy-heron-alpha-1-officially-released
[18:36] <Ace2016> not lying
[18:37] <quigz> is that the tribe release for hardy?
[18:37] <nosrednaekim> quigz: yeah
[18:37] <Ace2016> its really released and i did call it that along with sleazy slapper and other fun names which are nsfw
[18:37] <sigma_> does anyone know how to make firefox look like kde? kde should dump konq as a browser and just use firefox
[18:38] <Ace2016> use qtcurve as your theme
[18:38] <eljefe_> is there any way I can embed into a bash script the ability to mouse-click it to open?  Or does that have to be set in KDE?
[18:38] <Jucato> !kde firefox
[18:38] <ubotu> Go to http://konquefox.free.fr/ for tips and tricks on making Firefox more KDE-friendly.
[18:39] <sigma_> Jucato: is there really such a thing?
[18:39] <quigz> what does the red text in the irc channel mean?
[18:39] <sigma_> ubotu: that link doesn't work
[18:39] <Ace2016> but i think qtcurve is better than gtk-qt
[18:39] <Jucato> sigma_: there is, but looks old..
[18:39] <dPix> hey
[18:39] <Ace2016> quigz: it means you made a spelling error or i'm addressing you with my message
[18:39] <eljefe_> ubotu is a bot, not a preson.  google for it tho, i've used the site and tips.
[18:39]  * Jucato thinks there's a more recentone
[18:40] <dPix> how do I open SAMBA? I have it installed but can't find it
[18:40] <sigma_> jucato: where about?
[18:40] <Ace2016>  /etc/init.d/samba restart
[18:40] <Jucato> sigma_: um.. search for it. I don't know. I don't use Firefox
[18:41] <flaccid> !samba
[18:41] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[18:41] <Dr_willis> open? What do ya mean by open. Its a service. you access.
[18:41] <flaccid> smb.conf workgroup likes to get removed in kubuntu for some reason
[18:41] <dPix> thanks
[18:42] <eljefe_> Can I create a runscript.desktop file which will have an icon etc and when clicked it will call a bash script and run that (in a terminal, I would bet) ?
[18:42] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  oh? I never see that issue. Wonder if its one of the gui config tools doing it.
[18:42] <flaccid> thats what i thought
[18:42] <Jucato> sigma_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntegrateFirefoxWithKD and http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Integrate_Firefox_with_KDE (just apply to Kubuntu because it's for Gentoo)
[18:42] <Dr_willis> eljefe_,  should be able to.
[18:42] <flaccid> but it does it by itself
[18:42] <flaccid> had it so many times
[18:42] <Dr_willis> eljefe_,  just make a normal bash script.
[18:42] <eljefe_> I have the script, Dr_willis, but clicking it doesn't run it.
[18:42] <flaccid> heya Jucato :)
[18:42] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  cant say that ive ever seen it do that. but i normally edit the config by hand.  Ill keep an eye out however.
[18:42] <Jucato> hi flaccid
[18:43] <eljefe_> I want to make it non-CLI for a friend
[18:43] <Dr_willis> eljefe_,  checkits properties perhaps? it may have a run in terminal option.
[18:43] <flaccid> yeah i always do by hand because i do servers and sometimes corporate networks. its just unfortunate from a client point of view. i should do !bugs
[18:43] <Dr_willis> I rarely click on scripts  :)
[18:43] <flaccid> !sdl
[18:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sdl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:44] <flaccid> !sdk
[18:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sdk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:44] <flaccid> !develop
[18:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about develop - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:44] <flaccid> sorry
[18:44] <Jucato> ahem?
[18:44] <eljefe_> Dr_willis: nope.
[18:44] <flaccid> sounds he wants to make qt apps heh
[18:45] <Dr_willis> eljefe_,  could make a script that runs 'xterm -e yourotherscript' :)
[18:45] <eljefe_> Dr_willis: agreed, not a smart thing to be doing (click on scripts)... but it would be nice.
[18:45] <sybux> hi all
[18:45] <eljefe_> Thats still a script tho, with CLI use
[18:45] <Dr_willis> I imagine theres a neater way.
[18:45] <eljefe_> yeah i would like to find it.
[18:45] <Jucato> eljefe_: try taking a look into kdialog
[18:46] <eljefe_> what is that?  install it or a part of KDE already?
[18:46] <Dr_willis> theres a create launcher  wizard thing. could check it out -  I may be thinking of that
[18:46] <Jucato> part of KDE already
[18:46] <flaccid> kdesudo is also cool, i like
[18:46] <sybux> I've just installed compiz-fusion and I'd like to restablish my old parameter. I was looking for having my desktop on a 4 face cube but I only got a rotating desktop of 2 virtual desktop
[18:46] <Jucato> flaccid: amazing. you're one of the few dozen who do :P
[18:47] <flaccid> serious
[18:47] <Jucato> yeah. seriously
[18:47] <eljefe_> whats bad about kdesudo ?
[18:47] <flaccid> why do they not like
[18:47] <Jucato> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/155032
[18:47]  * flaccid goes to look
[18:48]  * eljefe_ follows flaccid
[18:48] <Dr_willis> create new -> link to application -> make it run 'xterm -e yourscript' :) worked for me.
[18:48] <Jucato> it brings in a lot more bugs than what it tried to solve.
[18:48] <Dr_willis> of course once the script ends the xterm auto closes.
[18:48] <Jucato> if you just need a simple launcher for the bash script? yeah, just Create a link to application, then copy the .desktop file that it produces
[18:49] <flaccid> hmm thats pretty detailed
[18:49] <Dr_willis> unless he watns to see the output in a terminal
[18:49] <Jucato> Dr_willis, eljefe_: there's an option to Run in terminal and Do not close when command exits
[18:49] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  where? im not seeing that.
[18:50] <Jucato> Application tab, Advanced Options button
[18:50] <eljefe_> me either, Jucato
[18:50] <sigma_> i disabled the openoffice splash screen but forgot how to re-enable it, how do i do this?
[18:50] <Dr_willis> Im richg clicking on test.desktop and going to its properties
[18:50] <eljefe_> Right-click > Properties (on a script) doesn't have Application tab
[18:50] <Jucato> right-click -> Create New -> Link to Application. Applicaton tab -> Advanced options button at the bottom
[18:51] <sybux> nobody can help my with compiz-fusion ?
[18:51] <Jucato> sybux: try asking in #compiz-fuson
[18:51] <Jucato> er..
[18:51] <Jucato> #compiz-fusion
[18:51] <sybux> ok thx
[18:51] <eljefe_> AH! thanks, make a link.  Good thinking... can I somehow email that link in a tar file also, and hav it work on another computer?
[18:52] <Jucato> eljefe_: you could. just make sure that the path to the command/script is correct when you transfer it
[18:52] <Dr_willis> heh - I KNEW i saw that somewhere.. :)
[18:52] <Jucato> :)
[18:52] <eljefe_> both in ./ would work eh?
[18:52] <eljefe_> thanks guyts
[18:54] <dPix> how do i configure SAMBA?
[18:54] <dPix> what CMD?
[18:54] <eljefe_> seriously i love these forums/IRCs. Super friendly and addicting.  Thank you ilor_ Jucato and Dr_willis for the help!
[18:54] <Jucato> :)
[18:54] <dPix> eljefe_, que nivel de gente se encuentra con este SO
[18:55] <eljefe_> todos niveles hombre
[18:55] <pierreth> Hello, I am sorry to ask this again but I had a system trash. What is the command to use in the termial to open files like Konqueror would did?
[18:56] <eljefe_> Maybe open .Trash ?
[18:56] <eljefe_> in a terminal, cd .Trash/
[18:56] <eljefe_> know that KDE has a .Trash but if you delete in a command line / terminal, its gone FOREVER
[18:57] <pierreth> xdg-open
[18:58] <pierreth> thank you
[19:00] <sigma_> can someone email me the konquefox file?
[19:00] <sigma_> i can't access the website
[19:01] <eljefe_> which file?
[19:01] <sigma_> no prob i got it
[19:01] <eljefe_> ah ok
[19:02] <eljefe_> the Up button is the best flippin button, no idea why its not available in Firefox already
[19:02] <eljefe_> its kinda ugly tho, doesn't *quite* fit in
[19:02] <eljefe_> too thin or soimethiung
[19:04] <Dr_willis> dPix,  you may want to isntall the 'samba-doc' package and read the 'using samba' book that it installs. (in /usr/share/doc/) i think. :)
[19:04] <Dr_willis> dPix,  Samba is a bit complex. but it  That book is A+ :)
[19:04] <Dr_willis> and its free.. gotta love free
[19:07] <ciperlone> hello
[19:07] <dPix> Dr_willis: ok
[19:07] <dPix> Dr_willis: thx
[19:07] <sigma_> well guys hardy heron sure does sound promising
[19:07] <ciperlone> can somebody help me?
[19:08] <ciperlone> i don't know how to make the expose effect in compiz-fusion. can someone help?
[19:09] <sigma_> hope the kubuntu version will live up to expections, hopefully there will be a kde4 option as part of the install process
[19:09] <jhutchins> ciperlone: There's a #compiz-fusion channel.
[19:10] <smooker> kde4 xD nice :)
[19:11] <sigma_> has anyone here tried kde4?
[19:13] <sigma_> oh yes the million $ question, does anyone know how to use the tv out on the ati radeon mobility 9000? i have a dell d600 laptop and its the one feature i really need to use that doesn't seem to work
[19:13] <sigma_> and does anyone know a good php wiki program besides phpwiki? one that can run on a apache server + php + mysql
[19:15] <eljefe_> how can I run a reverse-SSH tunnel without giving actually opening a remote shell?
[19:19] <smooker> sigma_ what do u mean ? u need php mysql & apache pack or ?
[19:27] <dPix> is samba so difficult to configure?
[19:27] <dPix> I can't even do a network here
[19:32] <dPix> i give up
[19:32] <dPix> fckng SAMBA :(
[19:32] <dPix> !samba
[19:32] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[19:38] <dPix> any othen application similar to samba but easier to use?
[19:39] <smooker> how do i move to folder in the terminal ?
[19:40] <jalbert> does anybody here use Kopete?
[19:40] <jembouge> I used to use kopete
[19:40] <jembouge> can I help? (or try to?)
[19:40] <jalbert> ok for some reason it won't connect, and I cannot restart it
[19:41] <jalbert> when I try to close it, nothing hapens
[19:41] <jembouge> have you tried to kill its process?
[19:41] <jembouge> and then restart it
[19:41] <jalbert> one sec
[19:43] <lockd> does anyone know how to get Konqueror to use WebKit instead of KHTML?
[19:49] <lockd> anyone know, or is that just impossible to change Konqueror's renderer
[19:50] <hydrogen> lockd: it is not possible
[19:52] <lockd> hydrogen: is it an inherent flaw in Konqueror, or because it's a qt4 library?
[19:53] <hydrogen> lockd: its not a flaw, its because webkit-qt is still wayyy early in development and no one has the interest to replace khtml with webkit yet
[19:54] <jalbert> how can I kill Kopete?
[19:54] <lockd> hydrogen: is webkit-qt actually a webkit frontend, or another port?
[19:54] <denis> hi
[19:54] <jembouge> jalbert :
[19:55] <jembouge> ctrl + escape
[19:55] <denis> channel Kubuntubr?
[19:55] <jembouge> find it in the list and kill button
[19:55] <lockd> if it's just another port, konqueror probably does need a way to easily replace the rendering engine. for instance Gecko with pages that require it
[19:55] <hydrogen> lockd: http://dot.kde.org/1152645965/
[19:55] <hydrogen> lockd: no, that would be silly
[19:55] <denis> kde4 on Kubuntu 7.10
[19:55] <smooker> anyone know how to obtain write access to /bin dir on my account ?
[19:56] <jembouge> smooker: use a chmod or chown
[19:56] <smooker> but how exactly ?
[19:56] <lockd> hydrogen: being able to choose what to render what files with would be silly?
[19:56] <jembouge> you know, go to you folder's parent folder
[19:56] <lockd> hydrogen: or documents, or pages...
[19:56] <jembouge> in a konsole
[19:57] <jalbert> jembouge: thaks
[19:57] <hydrogen> lockd: the renderer is usually tied very closely to the shell
[19:57] <jalbert> *thanks*
[19:57] <jembouge> jalbert: cool :)
[19:57] <hydrogen> to write a shell that wouldn't would result in an overall decrease in performance
[19:57] <jembouge> smooker: say the folder you want to change is "blah"
[19:58] <jembouge> then you do a   "  chmod xxxxxxxx  blah"
[19:58] <jembouge> (but I don't remember the stuff
[19:58] <jalbert> I restarted Kopete, so how do I connect to multiple accounts at once
[19:58] <cybrhuman> I got a tricky CD which is both Mac and Windows, it mounts as mac it seems, because I cant find any install.exe only datafiles and some files I think Is for OSX. Do anyone know how I get to the windows files?
[19:58] <jembouge> just allow me five minutes, and also look " chmod --help "
[19:58] <Lynoure> smooker: Why do you want write access to /bin?
[19:59] <lockd> hydrogen: i've always heard make it work, then make it works fast.. but what do I know
[19:59] <Lynoure> smooker: if you just want to change something manually there now and then, use sudo for that...
[19:59] <jembouge> jalbert: you go into the settings/preferences and register your accountS
[19:59] <ksal> hi
[20:00] <jembouge> if my memory serves, in every account's configuration window, you should have a box "connect automatically"
[20:00] <smooker> im trying to add single line to a file that i just created from root acc /bin/file
[20:00] <jembouge> if not, another simple way is to change your status to online :)
[20:00] <ksal> what should i install to compile apps?
[20:00] <jembouge> well, then no need to do all this  smooker
[20:00] <smooker> then what i need to do ?
[20:01] <jembouge> just " sudo kate my_file "
[20:01] <jembouge> you'll be like root and able to modify your file
[20:01] <ksal> what should i install to compile apps?
[20:01] <jembouge> compilers ;p
[20:02] <ksal> ...
[20:02] <ksal> what exactly?
[20:02] <ksal> what packages
[20:02] <smooker> thanks it worked
[20:02] <sybux> I got some problem runing kdmtheme manager in kcontrol.
[20:02] <jembouge> yeah, you'll have to ask other people cause I'm good at this
[20:02] <trillis> Hm... To use wine, do I need install all the wine files from Adept manager?
[20:02] <jembouge> smooker : you're welcome ;)
[20:02] <sybux> it says that it can't find the module
[20:03] <sybux> but I've run the apt-get install kdmtheme . what can I check more ?
[20:03] <ksal> WaltzingAlong: what should i install to compile apps?
[20:04] <jembouge> ksal : probably gcc for C++
[20:04] <jembouge> maybe you could have a look for "compilers" in synaptic or adept
[20:04] <jembouge> a choose the one you need
[20:05] <ksal> thx
[20:05] <ksal> :)
[20:05] <smooker> btw, is there any good cpp compiler for linux ?
[20:05] <trillis> Grr...
[20:05] <WaltzingAlong> ksal: build-essential
[20:05] <smooker> which u recomend :P
[20:05] <WaltzingAlong> !compiling
[20:05] <jembouge> trillis : give me 5 minutes to have a look
[20:05] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[20:06] <ksal> should i uninstall packages if it's the same app?
[20:06] <WaltzingAlong> smooker: gnu g++
[20:06] <jembouge> smooker : I don't write code for linux yet (still discovering)
[20:06] <trillis> Well... I click on the Install.exe and the exe loads the installation shield but it closed as soon as it opened...
[20:06] <WaltzingAlong> !info build-essential | ksal
[20:06] <ubotu> ksal: build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[20:06] <jembouge> so I can't really tell
[20:06] <jalbert> jembouge: I already have accounts, and I entered the usernames and passwords in the preferences
[20:07] <ksal> i want to compile for myself newer version
[20:07] <jembouge> jalbert : on your status image, click and choose "online"
[20:07] <ksal> or maybe someone kind would package it for me? :)
[20:07] <smooker> im thinking to move to linux from winx cpp..
[20:07] <jalbert> doesn't eem to be doing anything
[20:08] <jalbert> none of my contacts are appearing
[20:08] <lockd> is there a good tutorial for writing kioslaves? I'm trying to 'trick' konqueror to make xslt documents readable, instead of gibberish
[20:08] <lockd> but xsltproc must be run over these
[20:08] <bucatoamano> hello a kommander script written in a 32 system can work into a 64 bit system ?
[20:08] <Lynoure> ksal: a newer version of what?
[20:08] <jembouge> jalbert: give me 3m to install it
[20:08] <ksal> Lynoure: kadu
[20:08] <jalbert> I clicked "remember password", but it doesn't seem to have done thta
[20:08] <trillis> My linux is acting like windows :(
[20:09] <ksal> bucatoamano: 32 bit apps can work on 64 bits, but not different
[20:09] <ksal> i mean, 64 bit won't work on 32
[20:09] <jembouge> jalbert: password are remembered.
[20:09] <Lynoure> trillis: how is that?
[20:09] <bucatoamano> ksal: ok thank very much
[20:09] <jalbert> jembouge: OK
[20:10] <jalbert> I would expect it to just connect to the proper servers and retrieve my contacts lists
[20:10] <jalbert> jembouge: I would expect it to just connect to the proper servers and retrieve my contacts lists
[20:10] <jembouge> jalbert: setting up my accounts with kopete
[20:11] <jalbert> how are you doing that?
[20:11] <jalbert> I want to make sure I did it right
[20:12] <jembouge> I just installed kopete thanks to apt-get
[20:12] <jembouge> then launched it
[20:12] <jembouge> it asked me for account information
[20:12] <jembouge> I fille it in, and clicked ok
[20:12] <jembouge> it connected me alright,
[20:12] <jembouge> I've got my contacts
[20:13] <jalbert> hmmm...
[20:13] <jalbert> maybe I'll uninstall and then reinstall
[20:13] <jembouge> well... have a look in the setting menu
[20:13] <trillis> Hey, whats the equivalent in linux of windows C:\Program Files?
[20:14] <jembouge> there a settings/preferences
[20:14] <jembouge> in the window, choose the tab acounts
[20:14] <jalbert> jembouge: ok looking now
[20:14] <jembouge> you probably did that already however
[20:15] <jembouge> then button "New"
[20:15] <jalbert> jembouge: settings > preferences?
[20:15] <jalbert> jembouge: I'm not seeing that.
[20:15] <jembouge> well... I'm translating so guessing...
[20:15] <jembouge> configure?
[20:15] <jembouge> set up?
[20:15] <jalbert> jembouge: Oh OK
[20:15] <jalbert> From French?
[20:16] <jembouge> yep
[20:16] <jalbert> jembouge: Configure, yes I see it
[20:16] <jembouge> ok, then accounts tab, New button
[20:16] <jalbert> jembouge: my girlfriend speaks French
[20:17] <jembouge> jalbert: did you do that earlier?
[20:17] <jembouge> lol
[20:17] <Kunuku> trillis: There is no such thing in Linux (well not really)
[20:17] <jalbert> jembouge: I'll delete the ones that are already there
[20:18] <trillis> uhg
[20:18] <trillis> I have another problem...
[20:18] <Kunuku> trillis: if you want to find out wich programs are installed: use a package manager
[20:18] <trillis> I
[20:18] <jalbert> jembouge: OK done
[20:18] <jalbert> now 'm re-entering my info, starting with AIM
[20:18] <trillis> I just installed the drivers from my CD for my USB wireless adapter.
[20:19] <trillis> I had to use Wine though.
[20:19] <trillis> Now my computer isn't reading my adapted when I plug it in.
[20:19] <jalbert> jembouge: The wizard opened up
[20:19] <Kunuku> trillis: no that will not work
[20:19] <jalbert> jembouge: I selected AIM
[20:19] <trillis> :(
[20:19] <trillis> Could you help me?
[20:20] <Kunuku> The only way to use windows drivers with Linux is with ndiswrapper
[20:20] <Kunuku> trillis: maybe :)
[20:20] <trillis> Which I spent all last night getting.
[20:20] <Kunuku> trillis: what is the make and model of the adapter?
[20:20] <jembouge> jalbert: afk 2min, I cut my thumb while beating my cat which was climbing the curtains, it's all bleeding bad
[20:20] <trillis> D-Link DWA-130 Wireless USB Adapter
[20:20] <jalbert> jembouge: entered my username, checked "remember password" and entered my password
[20:20] <Kunuku> trillis: have you got a console open?
[20:21] <trillis> Yes.
[20:21] <jalbert> ok you know, I'll do this later
[20:21] <Kunuku> trillis: tail -f /var/log/messages
[20:21] <jalbert> jembouge: the gf wants to get out of the house and I'm here dicking around on the computer
[20:21] <jalbert> jembouge: ttyl
[20:22] <Kunuku> trillis: unplug your adapter
[20:22] <trillis> k
[20:22] <jalbert> jembouge: take care of that thumb, you don't want to get toxoplasmosis or anything! :P
[20:22] <trillis> I'm using an ethernet cord right now.
[20:22] <jalbert> jembouge: thanks for the help, catch you later
[20:22] <Kunuku> trillis: if figured :)
[20:22] <trillis> Heheh.
[20:23] <Kunuku> trillis: hit return a few times so you get some space in the output
[20:23] <Kunuku> trillis: and plug the adapter back in
[20:23] <Kunuku> trillis: what does it say?
[20:23] <trillis> new full speed usb device using uhci_hcd and address 4
[20:23] <trillis> <3
[20:24] <Kunuku> trillis: hmmm, that is not much
[20:24] <trillis> Oh..:(
[20:24] <Kunuku> trillis: hit ctlr-c please
[20:24] <trillis> k
[20:25] <Kunuku> trillis: try
[20:25] <Kunuku> trillis: lsusb
[20:26] <trillis> Command not found
[20:26] <Kunuku> trillis: are you sure?
[20:26] <Kunuku> trillis: I think this is pretty standard (not sure though)
[20:26] <trillis> Just type "Isusb"?
[20:27] <Kunuku> yup
[20:27] <trillis> L or I?
[20:27] <Kunuku> trillis: Ah :)
[20:27] <Kunuku> trillis:  L
[20:27] <trillis> aah
[20:27] <trillis> Buss 002 Device 001: id 0000:0000
[20:28] <Kunuku> trillis: does it show anything that looks like your wireless adapter?
[20:28] <trillis> Then the middle one is different
[20:28] <trillis> Yeah
[20:28] <trillis> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 07d1:3b11 D-Link System
[20:28] <Kunuku> trillis: (Y)
[20:28] <trillis> ?
[20:29] <trillis> Whats that?
[20:29] <Kunuku> trillis: I'll probably get killed for this: it's the thumbsup character combination in MSN
[20:29] <Kunuku> trillis: not that I ever use it ;)
[20:29] <trillis> Heheh, oh
[20:29] <trillis> Now what?
[20:30] <trillis> << Linux nub
[20:30] <Kunuku> trillis: ask the lazyweb :)
[20:30] <trillis> Who?
[20:30] <Kunuku> trillis: google google
[20:30] <trillis> What am I asking it?
[20:30] <Kunuku> trillis:
[20:30] <Kunuku> trillis: Hang on I'm looking for it...
[20:30] <trillis> k
[20:31] <WaltzingAlong> Kunuku: showed the thumbs up here (konversation with emoticons enabled)
[20:32] <trillis> Should I try and enable 'Windows Wireless Adapter"?
[20:32] <trillis> Drivers*
[20:33] <WaltzingAlong> trillis: how so? through restricted manager?
[20:33] <Kunuku> trillis: Is that possible? :)
[20:33] <senorpedro> in which pakage is depmod?
[20:33] <trillis> Yeah
[20:33] <WaltzingAlong> trillis: sure
[20:33] <WaltzingAlong> !find depmod
[20:33] <Kunuku> trillis: you need ndsisrwrapper i guess
[20:33] <ubotu> File depmod found in module-init-tools
[20:34] <trillis> Thats what I have.
[20:34] <WaltzingAlong> senorpedro: module-init-tools
[20:34] <trillis> Thats how I was trying to install the drivers to make this work
[20:34] <senorpedro> thx WaltzingAlong
[20:34] <Kunuku> trillis: have you installed the drivers with ndiswrapper
[20:34] <WaltzingAlong> !ndiswrapper | trillis
[20:34] <ubotu> trillis: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[20:34] <trillis> Not sure.
[20:35] <Kunuku> WaltzingAlong: is this adapter supported natively?
[20:35] <trillis> I don't think I have the right inf file loaded
[20:35] <Kunuku> trillis: ndiswrapper -l
[20:35] <Kunuku> trillis: that is a L ;)
[20:35] <Kunuku> trillis: or was it -i ? don't remember...
[20:35] <trillis> hehe
[20:36] <trillis> invalid driver
[20:37] <Pitabred> -i installs an inf, -l lists the installed ones
[20:37] <WaltzingAlong> Kunuku: not that i know of - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported so download the windows xp driver from dlink, install ndiswrapper and ndisgtk if desired, add the windows driver, reboot
[20:37] <trillis> I have the D-link driver cd.
[20:37] <trillis> And I already downloaded the xp drivers.
[20:37] <trillis> I just don't know what I'm doing to instal them...
[20:38] <WaltzingAlong> trillis: ok so you would have to use either the GUI with ndisgtk or type in konsole
[20:38] <trillis> GUI?
[20:38] <trillis> < nub
[20:38] <WaltzingAlong> graphical user interface
[20:39] <WaltzingAlong> trillis: maybe install ndisgtk package in adept manager
[20:39] <trillis> Is that the kdesu ndisgtk?
[20:39] <WaltzingAlong> otherwise we can walk you through the steps you need to type
[20:39] <trillis> I already installed that part.
[20:39] <trillis> I hit alt+f2
[20:39] <WaltzingAlong> trillis: open konsole
[20:39] <trillis> and I type if kdesu ndisgtk
[20:39] <trillis> k
[20:40] <trillis> T'is open.
[20:40] <smooker> someone can recomend me a good firewall for server ? :)
[20:40] <trillis> <3
[20:40] <trillis> Tis a heart for you smooker.
[20:42] <trillis> I did something like cabexsomething
[20:42] <smooker> trillis i didnt understand u
[20:42] <trillis> It's okay, I don't uinderstand myself sometimes.
[20:42] <WaltzingAlong> smooker: firewall is iptables.
[20:42] <WaltzingAlong> !info guarddog | smooker
[20:42] <ubotu> smooker: guarddog: firewall configuration utility for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.0-1ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 482 kB, installed size 1436 kB
[20:43] <trillis> WaltzingAlong: What should I do?
[20:43] <smooker> yeah i installed this
[20:43] <WaltzingAlong> trillis: in konsole, type   ndiswrapper -l           (lower case L)
[20:43] <smooker> im trying some of thouse :)
[20:44] <trillis> Installed ndis drivers:
[20:44] <trillis> netmw245        invalid driver!
[20:44] <WaltzingAlong> trillis: ok so that one does not work. by the way are you using 64bit?
[20:45] <trillis> Dunno...
[20:45] <trillis> How do I tell?
[20:45] <WaltzingAlong> in konsole, uname -a        will show probably i686 or x86_64 at the end
[20:45] <WaltzingAlong> or just uname -m
[20:46] <trillis> i686 GNU/Linux
[20:46] <WaltzingAlong> ok. trillis are there other drivers on the cd?
[20:46] <trillis> Yes.
[20:46] <Kunuku> bye
[20:46] <WaltzingAlong> Kunuku: later
[20:46] <trillis> Thanks for the help kunu.
[20:46] <WaltzingAlong> ok so you could try another
[20:47] <trillis> But the inf files wont load to Windows Wireless Drivers
[20:47] <trillis> Only one does, and thats the autorun.inf
[20:48] <trillis> netmw245 Hardware present: No
[20:48] <eVipere> Oh hey trillis, still at it eh?
[20:48] <trillis> Hahah
[20:48] <trillis> Yaay.
[20:48] <trillis> Your finally here.
[20:49] <eVipere> Have any luck extracting those INF and SYS files from the driver or CD?
[20:49] <trillis> Hardware presnet = no
[20:49] <trillis> I got wine
[20:49] <WaltzingAlong> trillis: wine is not needed for this
[20:49] <WaltzingAlong> trillis: the autorun.inf will not do what you want done
[20:49] <eVipere> Did you use wine to run through the installer and get the files?
[20:49]  * trillis points to eVipe
[20:49] <trillis> Er....
[20:49] <trillis> How?
[20:49] <trillis> heheh
[20:50] <eVipere> Waltz: His problem is that he needs an inf file and a sys file, those are both locked behind a windows installer.
[20:50] <trillis> Er... I have those two files though.
[20:50] <eVipere> Right-click on the setup.exe and there should be an option for wine.
[20:50] <trillis> There on the CD under winxp drivers
[20:50] <eVipere> Oh, and they're named netmw245, or whatever?
[20:51] <trillis> netmw245.inf and Mrvw245.sys
[20:51] <eVipere> Usually they're named the same thing, but ok.... did you just open ndisgtk and point to the inf while it was ON the CD?
[20:52] <trillis> yeah
[20:52] <trillis> but it didnt work
[20:52] <smooker> where i can see the ip of my DHCP server ? (ISP) so i can allow it in the firewall.. ?
[20:52] <trillis> So I copied it to my desktop and it work
[20:52] <dPix> anyone nows how to make sound go 5.1 instead of 2.1?
[20:52] <eVipere> smooker: You don't wawnt to see your ISP's dhcp?...
[20:52] <eVipere> trillis: Hardware Present: No...    is what you get you said?
[20:53] <trillis> Yeah
[20:53] <smooker> i want to see the IP of the DHCP server where am i connected
[20:53] <sigma_> does anyone know how to listen to flatcast radio via amarok?
[20:53] <eVipere> Then (providing it is actually plugged in...), I'd try the 2000 driver.
[20:53] <smooker> so i can allow it in the firewall...
[20:53] <trillis> HAH
[20:53] <trillis> I got it to say Yes
[20:53] <Lynoure> smooker: why not just allow dhcp ports? Or drop your firewall for a bit, and do   dhclient
[20:53] <trillis> I had to copy the sys file off the CD
[20:53] <trillis> and the .inf
[20:54] <eVipere> Your ISP's DHCP shouldn't enter your firewall, and it won't, as it's a different network and dhcp is broadcast....
[20:54] <trillis> So they could talk to eachother methinks...
[20:54] <trillis> Now what?
[20:54] <smooker> im trying guarddog right now, but when its on i dont have internet :(
[20:54] <Lynoure> eVipere: Depends on the setup... if he's asdl bridges, yes it does...
[20:55] <eVipere> Right trillis, that's why I was saying 2 files.  grats... now try this in command:    sudo modprobe -r ndiswrapper    followed by sudo modprobe -i ndiswrapper
[20:55] <sigma_> does anyone know how to listen to flatcast radio via amarok?
[20:56] <sigma_> or any internet radio?
[20:56] <eVipere> sigma: Nope, can't amarok only play local files?
[20:56] <trillis> er...
[20:56] <Lynoure> sigma_: plenty of last.fm and some others
[20:56] <trillis> It didn't say anything..
[20:56] <eVipere> That's fine
[20:57] <smooker> Lynoure what u mean dhclient ?
[20:57] <eVipere> do dmesg | grep ndis   and see what shows up.  You should see something promising...
[20:57] <Lynoure> smooker: command. on the command line
[20:57] <Lynoure> smooker: it shows the server it gets the response from...
[20:57] <trillis> vdiswrapper version 1.8 loaded
[20:57] <trillis> etc...
[20:58] <eVipere> Does it display something about a device being detected, or at least.... does NOT show any errors.
[20:58] <eVipere> !backup | eVipere
[20:59] <trillis> It shows my ethernet device
[20:59] <trillis> No errors that I can see.
[20:59] <trillis> oh
[20:59] <trillis> It says that the drive netmw245 is loaded
[20:59] <trillis> drivers*
[20:59] <eVipere> sweet, looks like you may be in business!
[20:59] <trillis> Nothing about the USB adapter though...
[21:00] <trillis> [17182313.844000] wlan0: ndiswrapper ethernet device 00:1b:11:6e:ab:83 using dri                    ver netmw245, 07D1:3B11.F.conf
[21:00] <eVipere> PERFECT!  You've got wifi!
[21:00] <trillis> Heheh, unfortunately I don't have a wireless router.
[21:00] <trillis> But my neighbor does :-D
[21:00] <mathieu> join #kde4-devel
[21:00] <eVipere> through your menu, go to networks, or wireless networks... NOT windows wireless devices, and look for that device in there.
[21:00] <mathieu> oops
[21:01] <trillis> Theres nothing that says networks in my menu
[21:01] <trillis> Wireless assistant?
[21:01] <eVipere> probably...
[21:02] <eVipere> And if you don't see any app that's promising, open up adept_manager and look for wireless kde
[21:02] <trillis> Doesn't want to pop up.
[21:02] <eVipere> You may need to install a few tools to configure your wifi adapter, as by default it's not installed.
[21:03] <trillis> Adept is open, what should I get?
[21:04] <eVipere> search for kde wireless    a few that may help are knetworkmanager, kwifimanager, kwirelessmonitor, and wireless-tools (wifitools are NEEDED)
[21:04] <trillis> k
[21:05] <Lynoure> knetworkmanager is nice for most people, as it does things pretty automatically.
[21:05] <trillis> kde wireless isnt finding any results
[21:05] <eVipere> then just wireless
[21:05] <trillis> Aircrack?
[21:05] <eVipere> LOL, no
[21:05] <trillis> What's that do?
[21:06] <eVipere> Lynoure, does knetman have support for wifi configuring though?
[21:06] <eVipere> !aircrack | trillis
[21:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aircrack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:06] <trillis> libiw-dev is installed already
[21:06] <trillis> same with
[21:06] <eVipere> Ok... useless bot, aircrack is a utility to let you crack into WEP encrypted networks.
[21:06] <Lynoure> eVipere: wifi configuring in which sense?
[21:07] <trillis> Wireless-tools, wlassistant, are both installed.
[21:07] <eVipere> Lynoure: Just connecting to a wireless network and monitoring it's strength...
[21:08] <eVipere> trillis: What about kwirelessmonitor and kwifimanager ?
[21:08] <Lynoure> eVipere: the package search is separate command, but I never remember which one.
[21:08] <trillis> I opened wireless assistant
[21:08] <Lynoure> eVipere: it does that, too. But, no, does not give out reports, or maps or :)
[21:09] <trillis> Three wireless networks are available.
[21:09] <trillis> And only two are locked :-D
[21:09] <eVipere> ^_^  There ya go, nearly 24 hours later after starting your wifi issue....
[21:09] <trillis> YAY
[21:09] <trillis> Thanks alot.
[21:09] <trillis> Anyway to get a better rating?
[21:10] <trillis> 1 - 2 stars.
[21:10] <eVipere> better rating?  you mean signal strength?
[21:10] <trillis> Yeah.
[21:10] <eVipere> Once you move it back upstairs, you should have a stronger signal.
[21:10] <trillis> k
[21:11] <trillis> Whats the danger of using aircrack?
[21:11] <Lynoure> eVipere: I guess when I first had to choose something for kubuntu wifi, it was the only one with WPA smoothly supported :)
[21:11] <jembouge> package search :  apt-cache search mypackage
[21:11] <eVipere> And note trillis: Just because you CAN crack WEP/WPA encryptions, it's still !legal and no one officially supports using it....
[21:11] <Lynoure> jembouge: on ubotu?
[21:11] <trillis> Heheh.
[21:11] <Lynoure> eVipere: WPA is not that easy to crack...
[21:11] <trillis> Officially?
[21:12] <trillis> Alright.
[21:12] <trillis> Let me go carry this computer back upstairs...
[21:12] <trillis> See if it works.
[21:12] <trillis> brb
[21:12] <jembouge> Lynoure: do you mean Ubuntu, or do you mean there a Linux distro called ubotu?
[21:12] <eVipere> Lynoure: I'm sure there's still a util to crack the connection....   and why do you keep referring to the bot?
[21:12] <Lynoure> jembouge: no, I mean on the bot, ubotu
[21:13] <WaltzingAlong> trillis: need to capture lots of data packets first, then try aircrack on the captured data
[21:13] <WaltzingAlong> !bot
[21:13] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[21:13] <eVipere> !botsnack
[21:13] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[21:13] <Lynoure> jembouge: I know it can do it, I just never remember the command
[21:13] <jembouge> oh my mistake :p
[21:13] <tarin> can any one give me a hand?
[21:13] <iggi> с рррросии
[21:13] <jembouge> tarin: explain, we'll tell after :p
[21:13] <Lynoure> jembouge: it's ok, it happens :)
[21:13] <iggi> с россии есть кто.
[21:13] <iggi> ?
[21:13] <eVipere> Tarin: No, you're not getting my hand!   maybe a finger.. wait, nope, not even a finger!
[21:14] <Lynoure> !ru | iggi
[21:14] <ubotu> iggi: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[21:14] <tarin> i just upgraded to gutsy from feisty now my internet doesnt work
[21:14] <jembouge> can't help with that
[21:14] <tarin> says there is no ethernet device
[21:14] <jembouge> sorry :(
[21:15] <Lynoure> tarin: what says that?
[21:15] <tarin> eVipere: how but a knuckle
[21:16] <tarin> knetwork manager
[21:16] <Lynoure> tarin: when you look at /etc/network/interfaces , does it show the interface there?
[21:17] <Lynoure> tarin: (it's not a problem if it does not, but sometimes updates add things there and knetwork-manager goes blind to those interfaces)
[21:17]  * eVipere tosses tarin a cookie...
[21:18] <tarin> didnt check there and i am dual booting so i will need to get another pc to boot this one into gutsy
[21:19] <Lynoure> tarin: if you have ext2 support on there, you can just read that from your current OS, but yes, for troubleshooting it helps to have it booted into gutsy.
[21:19] <jembouge> * waves as to say "farewell, traveller!"
[21:20] <tarin> yeah i know
[21:20] <tarin> what is ext2?
[21:20] <eVipere> Does anyone have a good backup solution for network backups, (besides what !backup) provides....
[21:21] <Lynoure> eVipere: yes, oh yes, I'm so glad you asked :)
[21:21] <Lynoure> eVipere: try Dirvish or BackUpPC, depending on how many systems you are backing up
[21:22] <Lynoure> former is faster, latter is much more space efficient when you have a pile of similar systems.
[21:22] <tarin> brb
[21:23] <eVipere> Ok, I'm currently getting ready to put BackupPC into production, but I was curious if there was a more graceful/easier option I could do.
[21:24] <tarin> ok back
[21:24] <Lynoure> Then there is obnam, but I'm kind of associated to it throught R, so I'm biased (I don't know which way, though)
[21:24] <tarin> had to switch to laptop
[21:24] <Lynoure> eVipere: What are you backing up?
[21:24]  * genii sips a coffee
[21:24] <eVipere> Lynoure: 5 or 6 network servers, ranging from IIS/LAMP/mail.
[21:25] <Radi01> ¿ʇı xıɟ ı uɐɔ ʍoɥ 'uʍop ǝpısdn sı ʎɐldsıp ʎɯ
[21:25] <ksal> is there channel for kubuntu in polish?
[21:25] <eVipere> Hey Tarin, you from the 'burgh'?
[21:25]  * genii grabds Radi01 and stands him on his head so eveything else looks rightside up
[21:25] <tarin> yup
[21:25] <tarin> love it
[21:26] <Lynoure> eVipere: hmm, I'm not that good with them MS stuff anymore, but for the rest I'd go for Dirvish, not enough systems to take full use of BackUpPC, IMO
[21:26] <Lynoure> ksal: try #kubuntu-pl ?
[21:26] <ksal> a-a
[21:26] <ksal> it's not that
[21:26] <Radi01> ˙sʞuɐɥʇ 'ɹǝʇʇǝq ɥɔnɯ 'ɥɐ
[21:26] <genii> Hmm
[21:27] <ksal> Radi01: :)
[21:27] <trillis> Yaay.
[21:27] <Radi01> Woops
[21:27] <trillis> Thanks alot eVipe.
[21:27] <genii> Radi01: :)
[21:27] <eVipere> trillis: np
[21:27] <eVipere> Lynoure: What do you mean that not enough systems make use of BackupPC?
[21:29] <Lynoure> eVipere: If you e.g. have 2 MSWin, 2 Linux and 2 BSD, there is not that much space saving done by BUPC saving same files only once, even across machines and it is much slower and hoggier than dirvish
[21:30] <Lynoure> eVipere: If you had e.g. 30 of rather similar systems, BUPC would be a clear choice to me.
[21:30] <tarin> ok where do i look for my net interfaces?
[21:30] <eVipere> tarin: ifconfig or knetworkmanager
[21:30] <Lynoure> tarin: /etc/network/interfaces
[21:31] <Lynoure> tarin: If you want knetworkmanager to see them, it's good idea to comment them out if they are in that file.
[21:31] <tarin> thru console?
[21:32] <Lynoure> tarin: any text editor will do.
[21:32] <Lynoure> or less, my fave for this
[21:32] <tarin> ok in nano now
[21:32] <tarin> there is a whole list of stuff
[21:33] <Lynoure> tarin: try commenting out everything except the loopback
[21:33] <Lynoure> tarin: then restart networkmanager
[21:33] <ksal> when kde 4 packages will be availabe in repository?
[21:34] <Lynoure> ksal: unofficially they already are.
[21:34] <ksal> i want officialy :)
[21:34] <sourcemaker> ksal: there are already available... but for unstable/development only... the RC1 has been released... for testin purpose
[21:34] <Lynoure> ksal: oh well then, some point after kde4 is released.
[21:35] <sourcemaker> ksal: http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0-rc1.php
[21:35] <tarin> restart knetman or the netman service?
[21:36] <ksal> sourcemaker: rc1 is in development repo? how can i enable it?
[21:36] <sourcemaker> is somebody using kopete ? or is konversation still better?
[21:36] <sourcemaker> ksal: here we go : http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php :-)
[21:36] <ksal> kopete for irc? :|
[21:36] <sourcemaker> ksal: yes
[21:36] <tarin> i use kopete i like it
[21:37] <sourcemaker> tarin: for icq?
[21:37] <Lynoure> tarin: it's almost midnight, so I would not bet money on it, but start with the knetwork-manager
[21:37] <tarin> well in windows i use trillian
[21:37] <ksal> sourcemaker: but, it's the official dev repo?
[21:37] <tarin> in kubuntu i use kopete for everything
[21:38] <tarin> ok i quit and restarted knetman but no good
[21:38] <sourcemaker> ksal: no... this is the pre-release of kubuntu... i think you should not use this on a produktive environment
[21:39] <smooker> hi all again
[21:39] <sourcemaker> ksal: I am also waiting for the first stable release...
[21:39] <smooker> my nvidia driver requires libc how do i get it ?
[21:40] <yakuzi> hi all
[21:40] <eVipere> smooker: sudo apt-get install libc-dev     I think's the command
[21:40] <sourcemaker> ksal: but why installing a software... which has a lot of bugs and does not work as stable as the current kde 3.5.8 version?
[21:40] <Lynoure> tarin: Does not hurt to restart all the networkmanager then, but of course it could be something else as well (I have no idea how ndiswrapper things survive an upgrade)
[21:40] <sourcemaker> are there any techs guides available... how to setup an advanced kde environment... I have just noticed... that it is possible to assign contacts with photo to kadressbook from icq accounts of kopete and i think... there are much for nice features...
[21:41] <yakuzi> i've a question: i'm running kubuntu 7.10 on my laptop and i want to use the Logitech MX518 mouse on it (so i can use the forward/backward keys), can i follow the guides how to do it and still use my touchpad-mouse thing on the laptop if i don't have the MX518 connected?
[21:43] <ksal> sourcemaker: you know when those packages will be available in official repo?
[21:43] <ksal> actual packages are from .92 .93. and .94
[21:44] <sourcemaker> ksal: i do not know... sorry...
[21:44] <ksal> hmm
[21:44] <sourcemaker> ksal: I think... they will be available to the next major kubuntu version... but i am not sure...
[21:45] <ksal> sourcemaker: i added source to sources list. should ido anything else?
[21:45] <sourcemaker> ksal: you have to update the repository: apt-get update
[21:46] <ksal> thx
[21:46] <sourcemaker> ksal: I have not tested... but i think you just have to follow the instruction of http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[21:46] <ksal> i do
[21:47] <ksal> but they didn't wrote i have to run apt-get update
[21:47] <ksal> :]
[21:47] <sourcemaker> ksal: well... it is basic :-)
[21:47] <ksal> im new in kubuntu
[21:47] <Lynoure> ksal: it's a little test. KDE4 is still a disappointment to most non-devels
[21:48] <ksal> aha
[21:48] <sourcemaker> ksal: you can also dwonload the live-cd for testing kde4 without getting in trouble
[21:49] <ksal> sourcemaker: 800mhz duron and 390mb of sdram isn't good idea to do such things ;)
[21:50] <sourcemaker> ksal: well....  installing kde4 on your system as non developer or linux guru is not much better... :-)
[21:53] <sourcemaker> are there any known pitfalls... connecting to windows with vpn ?
[22:00] <Radi01> beam us up scotty.
[22:01] <dm> Hello. How can I save a KDE session manually?
[22:03] <ardchoille> dm: Use dcop..
[22:04] <lovre> hi
[22:04] <lovre> i notice sometimes that my /media folder appears empty, and it says Loading directory... but nothing happens. I can access the content from /dev/sda1 etc, but why doesnt it show in /media folder?
[22:05] <ardchoille> dm: dcop ksmserver ksmserver saveCurrentSession
[22:05] <ardchoille> dm: more about dcop, open a terminal and type: kdcop
[22:05] <lovre> not /dev/sda. its just /media, the other not working is system:/media/
[22:06] <ardchoille> lovre: Is it mounted?
[22:06] <Kr4t05> Are there any programs out there that will automagically tag and organize my music collection?
[22:06] <dm> ardchoille: Thanks, I'll try.
[22:06] <lovre> yes
[22:06] <lovre> ardchoille: yes
[22:07] <ardchoille> lovre: Is /dev/sda1 mounted to /media?
[22:07] <lovre> ardchoille: /dev/sda1 is mounted to /media/sda1, yes
[22:07] <lovre> ardchoille: but it doesnt appear when i click "Storage Media"
[22:07] <lovre> ardchoille: using d3lphin
[22:08] <ardchoille> Oh, d3lphin, I don't kow. Knowing d3lphin, it's probably a bug. What happens when you go to media:/ i konqueror?
[22:09] <coreymon77> i hope real d3lphin isnt gonna be this buggy
[22:09] <ardchoille> coreymon77: Me too
[22:10] <coreymon77> i like it, its just really buggy
[22:10] <ardchoille> I'm hoping real dolphin has some real features
[22:11] <coreymon77> !!!! 10 more days!
[22:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 10 more days! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:11] <trillis> arg
[22:11] <coreymon77> whoops
[22:11] <trillis> I need help.
[22:12] <ardchoille> trillis: With what?
[22:12] <trillis> I tried to load trillian with wine, and it's like bouncing all over my screen.
[22:12] <lovre> ardchoille: same problem, it doesnt show anything
[22:12] <ardchoille> trillis: I feel that question would is best asked in #wine
[22:12] <trillis> Well.. I just need to know how to stop it.
[22:13] <trillis> It's just jumping around me screen and I have no idea how to close it, theres no ctrl+alt+delete thing to make it close...
[22:13] <trillis> my*
[22:13] <coreymon77> trillis:kill wine?
[22:13] <trillis> Whats that?
[22:14] <ardchoille> trillis: That exits wine
[22:14] <trillis> I just started isomg :omix for the first time yesterday,
[22:14] <trillis> using linux*
[22:14] <trillis> Do I type 'kill wine' in console?
[22:14] <ardchoille> trillis: Yes
[22:15] <trillis> arg... I
[22:15] <trillis> That didn't work, I'll just restart my comp.
[22:15] <coreymon77> trillis: kill means ctrl+alt+delete end task in windows
[22:15] <trillis> Is there a program like Trillian for linux?
[22:16] <ardchoille> trillis: iirc, trillian is an irc client?
[22:16] <lovre> ardchoille: i found somewhere an solution, to disable HAL backend.. But i cant, its gray like its unaccessible...
[22:16] <trillis> Trillian is one of those universal messengers. Consisting of aim,msn, irc, etc..
[22:16] <ardchoille> trillis: Ah, I use kopete for that
[22:16] <Kr4t05> trillis: Pidgin/GAIM, Kopete
[22:16] <coreymon77> trillis: gaim, kopete
[22:17] <trillis> But it doesn't automatically retrieve me old list of contacts.
[22:17] <ardchoille> lovre: I'm not sure it's a good idea to disable HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer)
[22:17] <lovre> pidgin is ok. but i cant get icq plugin to show localized signs right
[22:17] <lovre> ardchoille: ah, ok, ill leave it then
[22:17] <lovre> ardchoille: thanks for your time, i will deal with this some other time
[22:17] <ardchoille> lovre: yw, Sorry I couldn't be more help
[22:17] <trillis> brb
[22:18] <coreymon77> trillis: go into conssole
[22:18] <coreymon77> and type ksysguard
[22:18] <coreymon77> oh well
[22:18] <ardchoille> coreymon77: I do know that, after the meeting yesterday, someone had fixed a couple d3lphin bugs and was uploading the fixes
[22:19] <coreymon77> ardchoille: oh, i was talking about the kde4 release
[22:19] <coreymon77> ardchoille: december 11th
[22:19] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[22:21] <Lynoure> coreymon77: Didn't it get postponed today?
[22:21] <coreymon77> it did?
[22:21] <coreymon77> still says dec 11th on the kde release schedule
[22:21] <ardchoille> coreymon77: http://dot.kde.org/1196525703/
[22:21] <ardchoille> Seems it was postponed until January
[22:21] <coreymon77> oh
[22:22] <coreymon77> i guess the release schedule on kdes site hasnt been updated then
[22:22]  * ardchoille hugs his rss feeds
[22:22] <Lynoure> coreymon77: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule has
[22:22] <ardchoille> !away > yakuzi
[22:22] <pasaxe> holas
[22:23] <coreymon77> what the, i just looked at that a second ago
[22:24] <trillis> :(
[22:25] <coreymon77> trillis: what
[22:25] <trillis> Kopete doesn't let me export my contacts...
[22:25] <ardchoille> trillis: In Kopete.. File > Export Contacts
[22:25] <trillis> Yeah, but I don't see anything there.
[22:26] <coreymon77> trillis: what do you mean by that?
[22:26] <ardchoille> trillis: You have kopete contacts already and you want to export them?
[22:26] <trillis> Err...
[22:26] <ardchoille> I think he's confused something
[22:26] <trillis> I don't think I meant to say export.
[22:26] <ardchoille> Right
[22:26] <trillis> Yeah.... I mean import.
[22:26] <coreymon77> trillis: umm, why would you need to import
[22:26] <mjunx> is there a kde4 version of gtk-qt-engine yet? ew @ pidgin :(
[22:27] <coreymon77> trillis: im contacts go with your account
[22:27] <coreymon77> dont they?
[22:27] <coreymon77> atleast from my experience
[22:27] <ardchoille> coreymon77: I believe you're right. Once he sets up his accounts, his contacts should be brought over automatically
[22:28] <ardchoille> coreymon77: Isn't that a server-side thing?
[22:28] <coreymon77> ardchoille: unless im completely talking out of my arse
[22:28] <coreymon77> ardchoille: which, since i use msn, i doubt
[22:29] <coreymon77> trillis: just login to your accounts and your contacts should be there
[22:30] <coreymon77> contacts are on the server, they go wherever you login from
[22:30] <trillis_> Did something just happen?
[22:32] <coreymon77> trillis_: depends what you mean by something
[22:32] <trillis_> Whats kdewallet?
[22:32] <trillis_> 2056
[22:32] <trillis_> Hm.. :-\
[22:32] <ardchoille> !info kwallet
[22:32] <ubotu> Package kwallet does not exist in gutsy
[22:32] <coreymon77> trillis_: password manager
[22:33] <ardchoille> !kwallet
[22:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kwallet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:33] <coreymon77> !kdewallet
[22:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdewallet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:33] <coreymon77> meh
[22:34] <coreymon77> its a place where you can put all your passwords and personal info and have then be protected
[22:34] <coreymon77> i dont use it though
[22:34] <trillis_> oh
[22:35] <trillis_> Now I have to figure out why my sound isn't working.
[22:35] <ardchoille> KWallet saves this sensitive data for you in a strongly encrypted file, accessible by all applications, and protected with a master password that you define.
[22:35] <ardchoille> !sound | trillis
[22:35] <ubotu> trillis: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[22:37] <trillis_> Sound system meaning 'Sound and Multimedia'?
[22:37] <flake> do i have to install kde 4.0 rc1 manually or will it show up in repo and be like an update
[22:37] <ardchoille> flake: afaik, it will update, but I thought rc1 was already there
[22:37] <flake> mine still shows 3.5.8
[22:38] <flake> just ran synaptic
[22:38] <nosrednaekim> !kde4
[22:38] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. RC 1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[22:38] <flake> also, is it worth-it, eg. anything noticable change or fix
[22:38] <coreymon77> flake: i doubt its in the main repos, prob backports or a special kde4 repo
[22:38] <ardchoille> flake: Ah, you're right
[22:39] <sMonk> Due to a big system crash that seems un re-solvable.. I'm going to re-install 7.10 Kubuntu... Any tip/suggestions so I don't screw up ... again?
[22:39] <coreymon77> sMonk: what kind of crash
[22:39] <nosrednaekim> flake: do NOT attempt to make kde4 your main desktop ..it is very "beta quality
[22:39] <ardchoille> flake: It's an rc, if you're not a dev, tester, Linux guru, it may ot be useful to you yet.
[22:39] <flake> that is cool
[22:39] <ubuntu> hi all
[22:40] <trillis_> uhg :(
[22:40] <ubuntu> how i can edit the xorg.conf file from the konsole ?
[22:40] <coreymon77> sMonk: what kind of crash are we talking?
[22:40] <sMonk> Grub Error 2, plus I used to have Windows Vista on here, but Grub over wrote the MBR, and I can't get it back.. so, now I'm just going to format it all and re-install, but I don't want Crapta (Vista) so I'm going to run Kubuntu alone.
[22:40] <trillis_> amaroK doesn't like me.
[22:41] <ardchoille> ubuntu: in kate or vim or other? In kate: kdesu kate/etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:41] <ardchoille> trillis_: You're not alone :)
[22:41] <coreymon77> sMonk: um why not just reinstall grub
[22:41] <ardchoille> !grub | sMonk
[22:41] <ubotu> sMonk: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[22:41] <trillis_> Can I use winamp?
[22:41] <sMonk> I was trying to install in earlier, but nothing seemed to work
[22:41] <ubuntuu> i just got xorg.conf error and cant startx
[22:42] <ardchoille> trillis_: You can use xmms, it's much like winamp, i love it
[22:42] <nosrednaekim> trillis_: no... but try exaile or juK
[22:42] <ubuntuu> and i need to edit it from the console but kade didnt worked "sudo kate /etc...conf
[22:42] <trillis_> will get-apt xmmx work?
[22:42] <ubuntuu> "
[22:42] <trillis_> xmms*
[22:42] <ardchoille> ubuntuu: If you know how to use vim in tty1: sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:42] <coreymon77> trillis_: its apt-get
[22:42] <ardchoille> trillis_: sudo apt-get install xmms
[22:42] <sMonk> I've had people helping me with this for 2 days now, and I can't seem to get my Kubuntu running again
[22:43] <ardchoille> trillis_: And there are lots of goodies for it: apt-cache search --names-only xmms
[22:43] <trillis_> Hurray/
[22:43] <ubuntuu> ok thanks ill try
[22:43] <itch_> Hello guys. I`m runing compiz-fusion on a Kubuntu distribution (KDE enviroment), and I`m having troubles with my virtual desktops. I just don`t manage to set the right number of virtual desktops. If I set 2 (from ccsm), in the taskbar 4 are displayed, from which only 2 are active. It seems that every time in the taskbar are diplayed double the number of vitural desk. set by me.
[22:43] <trillis_> Like what?
[22:43] <nosrednaekim> itch_: you need kicker-compiz
[22:44] <ardchoille> trillis_: Skins for xmms: http://www.xmms.org/skins.php
[22:44] <coreymon77> sMonk: oh well, if you want to reinstall, just use the livecd and do it, instalation is very easy now, there isnt much you could screw up
[22:44] <coreymon77> sMonk: especially if you want to wipe the entire drive
[22:44] <ardchoille> trillis_: Goodies: apt-cache search --names-only xmms
[22:44] <itch_> nosrednaekim: that is that?
[22:45] <itch_> *what
[22:45] <Smiky> Ciao a tutti !
[22:45] <nosrednaekim> itch_: its up on kde-apps,its a pager that behaves properly with compiz
[22:45] <vlt> Hello. I have installed ubuntu 6.06 LTS with its default kernel 2.6.15-k7 on an AMD64/X2 machine. Now I try to boot with another mainboard but the same type of CPU. It bgins to boot, recognizes the CPU correctly but then panics with "IO-APIC + TIMER doesn't work". Using another boot hd with 7.10 installed works fine. Any idea how to get it working?
[22:45] <itch_> nosrednaekim: ok. thanks! i`ll try it
[22:45] <nosrednaekim> sMonk: whe you do reinstall, give yourself a separate /home partition, it makes things a bit easier
[22:46] <ardchoille> s/bit/lot/
[22:46] <nosrednaekim> itch_: I think trevino even packaged it up... might want to check into that
[22:46] <trillis_> o
[22:46] <trillis_> m
[22:46] <trillis_> g
[22:46] <trillis_> My linux just had siezure...
[22:46] <sMonk> coreymon77: I know, but this will be the 3rd time installing Kubuntu :( I keep having major issues with it... I don't know.. when I used to run Linux about 7 yrs ago, it was very stable, now it sometimes seems as bad as the Micro$$$$oft corp
[22:46] <itch_> thanks
[22:46] <sMonk> nosrednaekim: what do you mean?
[22:47] <nosrednaekim> vlt: give it a boot option "noapic"
[22:47] <ardchoille> sMonk: A lot has changed in 7 years
[22:47] <sMonk> coreymon77: the thing that drives me nuts the most is having things run GREAT, then I re-boot to find a black screen with a blinking cursor
[22:48] <vlt> nosrednaekim: Thank you. Yes, that's what the kernel panic line says, too. Is something important missing when running "noapic"?
[22:48] <nosrednaekim> sMonk: a separate /hom will allow you to keep your settings and files over multiple installations
[22:48] <coreymon77> trillis_: what happened this time
[22:48] <sMonk> ardchoille: Yeah.. lol know what you mean.. and it don't help none when you don't remember the primitive commands so when things go bad and boot you to console you can't remember anything to get you by
[22:48] <nosrednaekim> vlt: I'm actually not sure ;) but I think not.... apic has something to do with a CPU BIOS or something like that.
[22:48] <nosrednaekim> !apic
[22:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apic - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:48] <sMonk> nosrednaekim: you mean a second user other than root?
[22:48] <ardchoille> sMonk: So, stick with Linux this time :P
[22:49] <sMonk> ardchoille: Believe me, after running vista for a bit.. I'd prefer it
[22:49] <nosrednaekim> sMonk: I mean that if you ever have to reinstall (or try out a new distro) you can keep your files.
[22:49] <coreymon77> sMonk: no, put your home directory on a seperate partition
[22:49] <sMonk> coreymon77: Oh?
[22:49] <nosrednaekim> it makes reinstalling pretty painless.
[22:50] <coreymon77> trillis_: what happened?
[22:50] <trillis_> coreymond77: I type in the apt-cache command and like a million windows flickered apeared then dissapeared...
[22:50] <sMonk> nosrednaekim: so during the install proceedure, make a sep, parti. and put my home folder there?
[22:50] <trillis_> typed*
[22:51] <nosrednaekim> sMonk: correct.
[22:51] <ardchoille> trillis_: You need to tell apt-cache what to do.. like "search" and you can even narrow that by piping to grep
[22:51] <trillis_> ah..
[22:51] <coreymon77> trillis_: you mean apt-cache searh
[22:51] <sMonk> nosrednaekim: can I msg you for a sec?
[22:51] <coreymon77> trillis_: search*
[22:51] <trillis_> hehe Yeah.
[22:51] <ardchoille> trillis_: Example: apt-cache search --names-only xmms
[22:51] <trillis_> Aah, okay.
[22:51] <trillis_> How about help with Kopete?
[22:51] <coreymon77> trillis_: apt-get and apt-cache are only the programs, you then have to give then instructions
[22:51] <nosrednaekim> whats wrong with it?
[22:52] <ardchoille> trillis_: Or apt-cache search xmms | grep kde
[22:52] <coreymon77> trillis_: such as apt-get install, or apt-cache search
[22:52] <trillis_> Is it possible to get my contact list from my MSN, AIM, and Yahoo messenger, even though the list was on a different computer?
[22:52] <Radi01> apt-get uninstall ./ bill gates
[22:53] <coreymon77> trillis_: your contact list is not on your computer
[22:53] <coreymon77> trillis_: its on msn, aim and yahoos servers
[22:53] <trillis_> Then why sin't kopete giving me my list? :'(
[22:53] <coreymon77> trillis_: just log in to your accounts and your contacts will be there
[22:53] <trillis_> Er...
[22:53] <trillis_> I did, and there not.
[22:54] <coreymon77> trillis_: eh?
[22:54] <sMonk> nosrednaekim: can I msg you for a sec?
[22:54] <coreymon77> trillis_: thats odd
[22:54] <trillis_> Like, it has all my contact lists.
[22:54] <nosrednaekim> sMonk: sure
[22:54] <trillis_> "Friends, family, etc..."
[22:54] <trillis_> But there all 0/0
[22:54] <coreymon77> trillis_: take a screenshot of your screen and put it up on imageshack or something like that
[22:55] <trillis_> Wow.
[22:55] <coreymon77> trillis_: what?
[22:55] <trillis_> The screenshot button is 100x's better in Linux than windows...
[22:56] <ubuntuu> how do i save file after editing with VIM ?
[22:56] <coreymon77> trillis_: i know
[22:56] <ardchoille> trillis_: You'll find many things are that way :)
[22:56] <trillis_> Heheh.
[22:56] <ubuntuu> join #ubuntu
[22:56] <ardchoille> ubuntuu: Type a ":" to exit insert mode, then "wq" (without quotes)
[22:56] <ubuntuu> ops :)
[22:57] <trillis_> I wonder how long I can get away with using someone else wireless internet connection... :)
[22:57] <WaltzingAlong> or use nano
[22:57] <coreymon77> trillis_: why not just use yours?
[22:57] <ardchoille> trillis_: Intil you get caught and charged with theft of service ?
[22:58] <WaltzingAlong> be sure to visit as many unencrypted sites as possible s
[22:58] <ardchoille> lol
[22:58] <trillis_> hm..
[22:58] <coreymon77> trillis_: anyways, did you post the screen somewhere?
[22:58] <trillis_> I'd use mine, but I need to get a wireless router.
[22:58] <trillis_> Its uploading.
[22:59] <ardchoille> imageshack can be slow at times
[22:59] <trillis_> http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6493/snapshot1ek8.png
[22:59] <coreymon77> trillis_: huh? do you have internet in your house
[22:59] <trillis_> Yes.
[22:59] <coreymon77> trillis_: btw, your not logged in
[22:59] <ardchoille> Uhm, that's quite a large desktop
[23:00] <trillis_> It is?
[23:00] <ardchoille> Bigger than 1280x1024
[23:00] <coreymon77> trillis_: see the little aim icon in the bottom right of kopete
[23:00] <trillis_> Oh yeah, I've been meaning to ask.
[23:00] <trillis_> How do I change the reso?
[23:00] <trillis_> Yeah?
[23:01] <coreymon77> trillis_: if you were logged in, that would be yellow
[23:01] <coreymon77> ardchoille: right?
[23:01] <ardchoille> trillis_: Let coreymon77 Help with this issue first, then we'll work on resolution
[23:01] <trillis_> Hm... How do I login then?
[23:01] <coreymon77> first lets see if im right
[23:01] <ardchoille> trillis_: Right, you're not logged in
[23:01] <coreymon77> ardchoille: it would be, wouldnt it
[23:01] <ardchoille> yes
[23:02] <coreymon77> give me a sec to boot up my kubuntu box, im on my mac now
[23:02] <trillis_> k
[23:02] <ardchoille> trillis_: See that first icon in the toolbar? Click it and select "online"
[23:02] <trillis_> My monitor seems a little fuzzy.
[23:02] <trillis_> Which toolbar?
[23:02] <ardchoille> trillis_: Once logged in, your contact list should fill up
[23:03] <ardchoille> trillis_: The little yellow man holding a folder next to the star
[23:03] <ardchoille> Under File
[23:03] <trillis_> Yeah
[23:04] <trillis_> Er.. It just shows me my away messages...
[23:04] <ardchoille> Click the word "Online"
[23:05] <ardchoille> trillis_: Or, File > Set Status > Online
[23:05] <trillis_> I did, and then it brings up another side window: "No Messages. New Messages"
[23:05] <ardchoille> trillis_: Ok, use the File menu
[23:05] <trillis_> For me its: File > Set Status > Online > NO Message/ New Message
[23:05] <nosrednaekim> trillis_: right click on the icon... not left click
[23:05] <ardchoille> I may have edited my toolbar
[23:06] <trillis_> Oh
[23:06] <ardchoille> nosrednaekim: Right clicking a toolbar icon brings up the toolbar config, no?
[23:06] <trillis_> Right Click> AIM SN > Online
[23:06] <trillis_> That didn't work..
[23:07] <ardchoille> trillis_: File > Set Status > Online   ?
[23:07] <coreymon77> ardchoille: what do you mean, didnt work
[23:07] <nosrednaekim> ardchoille: oh... I thought you meant on the guy on the BOTTOM of the window ;)
[23:07] <coreymon77> trillis_: that was aimed at you
[23:07] <ardchoille> nosrednaekim: Ah, ok
[23:07] <trillis_> Hm..
[23:08] <trillis_> I got my msn to work
[23:08] <trillis_> Right Click > Configure > Add new connection
[23:08] <ardchoille> trillis_: What happens when you do File > Set Status > Online  ?
[23:09] <trillis_> Nothing happens when I click it for AIM.
[23:09] <trillis_> Let me try something.
[23:10] <coreymon77> trillis_: try readding the aim connection, like you did msn
[23:10] <coreymon77> trillis_: /deleting the current connection
[23:10] <trillis_> Just did.
[23:10] <trillis_> Still nothing..
[23:11] <trillis_> It says my AIM is online.
[23:11] <ardchoille> trillis_: Ok, let's go with nosrednaekim's advice.. what happens when you right click the little man in the bottom right corner?
[23:11] <ardchoille> Ok
[23:12] <coreymon77> trillis_: try logging out of aim an logging back in
[23:12] <trillis_> k
[23:12] <trillis_> Nothing.
[23:12] <trillis_> And I get three options
[23:12] <trillis_> Offline
[23:12] <trillis_> Away and Online.
[23:13] <nosrednaekim> click
[23:13] <nosrednaekim> online
[23:13] <trillis_> I did.
[23:13] <trillis_> It says I'm online.
[23:13] <trillis_> But nothing happens still.
[23:14] <coreymon77> trillis_: do offline first
[23:14] <coreymon77> trillis_: then try going back online
[23:14] <trillis_> Still nothing.
[23:15] <trillis_> Should I overide defualt server position..O_O...?
[23:16] <coreymon77> trillis_: delete the aim account connection on kopete, then readd it
[23:17] <trillis_> Thats odd.
[23:17] <trillis_> It doesn't ask me for a password.
[23:18] <WaltzingAlong> trillis_: stored it in kwallet?
[23:18] <trillis_> Ah
[23:18] <trillis_> Yeah
[23:19] <trillis_> Arg, still nothing.
[23:19] <coreymon77> erm, i dont know
[23:19] <coreymon77> dont use kopete much myself
[23:20] <nosrednaekim> trillis_: do yourself a favor and use pidgin..
[23:20] <nosrednaekim> :D
[23:21] <trillis_> heh
[23:22] <trillis_> I tried to get pidgin.
[23:22] <jobbe> hey, I want to show a directories size on the command line without actually recursing into the directory using ls -R so that I can see the size of the dir AND all included files/subdirs
[23:22] <jobbe> is that possible?
[23:22] <WaltzingAlong> du
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> jobbe: check into du..
[23:22] <coreymon77> trillis_: from where?
[23:22] <tekteen> du -h
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> ah... beaten agin :(
[23:22] <jobbe> du, thanks :)
[23:22] <ardchoille> Hmm.. pidgin supports ore protocols than kopete
[23:23] <coreymon77> trillis_: i dont think pidgin is in apt
[23:23] <trillis_> But it just gave me a download link for unix, source and windows.
[23:23] <coreymon77> trillis_: oh, www.getdeb.net
[23:23] <nosrednaekim> trillis_: "sudo apt-get install pidgin"
[23:23] <coreymon77> or that
[23:23] <WaltzingAlong> !info pidgin | trillis_
[23:23] <ubotu> trillis_: pidgin: graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.2.1-1ubuntu4.1 (gutsy), package size 589 kB, installed size 1720 kB
[23:23] <nosrednaekim> trillis_: you're on gutsy right?
[23:23] <coreymon77> didnt use to be in apt
[23:24] <WaltzingAlong> true it was called gaim before
[23:24] <trillis_> Whats the use of su in konsole?
[23:24] <coreymon77> i know that
[23:24] <coreymon77> trillis_: root
[23:24] <coreymon77> trillis_: but you should be using sudo instead
[23:24] <WaltzingAlong> !info pidgin (feisty)
[23:24] <ubotu> Package pidgin does not exist in feisty
[23:24] <trillis_> Kubuntu is gutsy?
[23:25] <nosrednaekim> !gutsy
[23:25] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Gutsy:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - New Features: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/710tour - Please use bittorrent to download if possible, see !torrents
[23:25] <trillis_> Whats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[23:25] <tekteen> the programs install
[23:26] <tekteen> installed*
[23:26] <nosrednaekim> !kde
[23:26] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[23:26] <crimsun> the former ships with KDE packages installed by default; the latter ships with GNOME.
[23:26] <tekteen> also the user interface
[23:26] <trillis_> Will that work vice-versa?
[23:26] <nosrednaekim> trillis_: yep
[23:26] <trillis_> sudo apt-get install Ubuntu?
[23:26] <tekteen> no
[23:26] <WaltzingAlong> !info ubuntu-desktop | trillis_
[23:26] <ubotu> trillis_: ubuntu-desktop: The Ubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.79 (gutsy), package size 22 kB, installed size 48 kB
[23:27] <trillis_> So its ubuntu-desktop?
[23:27] <tekteen> yep
[23:27] <coreymon77> trillis_: but also
[23:27] <coreymon77> trillis_: ubuntu using gnome as its default de
[23:27] <ardchoille> trillis_: ubuntu-desktop is the gnome desktop environment, kubuntu uses the kde environment
[23:28] <trillis_> Gah, I'm just going to stick with kde until I get the hang of linux.
[23:28] <ardchoille> trillis_: You'll thank yourself later :)
[23:28] <WaltzingAlong> trillis_: ... get the hang of kde ...
[23:28] <trillis_> sudo apt-get pidgin didn't work...
[23:28] <coreymon77> trillis_: ubuntu and kubuntu are on the same release numbers
[23:28] <nosrednaekim> trillis_: most people who start with kde can never go to gnome.
[23:28] <ardchoille> trillis_: sudo apt-get install pidgin
[23:28] <trillis_> oh yeah
[23:28] <trillis_> heheh
[23:28] <coreymon77> trillis_: if ubuntu is on gutsy, kubuntu is too
[23:28] <ardchoille> trillis_: You have to tell apt-get what to do
[23:29] <trillis_> Still didn't work.
[23:29] <nosrednaekim> trillis_: any errors?
[23:29] <ardchoille> trillis_: What was the error?
[23:29] <ardchoille> Had to be an error, no?
[23:29] <nosrednaekim> XD
[23:30] <trillis_> Reading package lists... Done Building dependancy tree... Done... E: Could not find packae Pidgin
[23:30] <tekteen> !info pidgin
[23:30] <ubotu> pidgin: graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.2.1-1ubuntu4.1 (gutsy), package size 589 kB, installed size 1720 kB
[23:30] <ardchoille> trillis_: sudo apt-get update
[23:30] <crimsun> packages do not have capitalised letters
[23:30] <crimsun> they are all lowercased.
[23:30] <ardchoille> crimsun: Good catch
[23:30] <trillis_> I tried it with lowercase too
[23:30] <ardchoille> trillis_: Are you on Gutsy?
[23:31] <trillis_> Yeah.
[23:31] <trillis_> Kubuntu gutsy...
[23:31] <ardchoille> trillis_: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[23:31] <ardchoille> !pastebin
[23:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[23:31] <ubuntu> bonjour
[23:31] <crimsun> I'm pretty sure you want the version in gutsy-security.
[23:31] <crimsun>     pidgin | 1:2.2.1-1ubuntu4.1 | gutsy-security | source, amd64, i386, powerpc
[23:31] <WaltzingAlong> or use adept manager to enable disabled repositories
[23:31] <gastu> hi
[23:31] <ardchoille> hu gastu
[23:32] <ardchoille> *hi
[23:32] <tekteen> Bonjour ubuntu
[23:32] <ardchoille> I need to find libtypewhatImeant
[23:32] <gastu> can someone explain me what 3d sigmatel depth and others does?
[23:33] <tekteen> ardchoille: I believe that comes out in Hardy
[23:33] <crimsun> gastu: for some codecs, it flips a register bit enabling simulated 3D sound
[23:33] <ardchoille> tekteen: haha
[23:33] <gastu> crimsun: can u give me a site to configure this right?
[23:33] <gastu> google losted me in nothing
[23:33] <WaltzingAlong> libknowwhatyoumean is a prereq to libtypewhatimeant
[23:34] <crimsun> gastu: ...a site?  It's a simple mixer element toggle.  Just mute or unmute it in the mixer.
[23:34] <ardchoille> WaltzingAlong: Ah, thanks
[23:34] <tekteen> WaltzingAlong: agreed
[23:34] <vlt> Hello. Seems as if my 6.06's kernel 2.6.15 doesn't support my NIC. Even when I `modprobe forcedeth` it just prints out a status line "... nForce nic driver ... v 0.54". Still no device available ... With kubuntu 7.10 it works fine (if one ignores the randomly assigned MAC address). Any idea what to do?
[23:34] <WaltzingAlong> :p
[23:34] <gastu> crimsun: so i have to do with myself problem is i don't see enough differences to see what it does exactly lol
[23:35] <coreymon77> vlt: use 7.10 :P
[23:35] <vlt> coreymon77: hmmm
[23:36] <WaltzingAlong> gastu: is it the 3d effect like hall, studio, underwater and so on?
[23:37] <gastu> nop  2 slide bars for depth and 1 for rear depht
[23:37] <vlt> coreymon77: It's a production machine with about 30 user accounts that just got a new mainboard. I didn't want to setup everything new. Is there a way to fix it in the current install? Maybe a mofified foreceth module or kernel?
[23:37] <tekteen> vlt: u can upgrade
[23:37] <WaltzingAlong> vlt: or you could build the newer kernel. lots of options i suppose
[23:38] <anto> Its not very often you find this channel dead !?
[23:38] <gastu> i know it's not very important to take time for this but ...
[23:39] <tekteen> anto: I have seen it dead
[23:39] <tekteen> anto: It is very boring
[23:39] <WaltzingAlong> gastu: or maybe there is just a better resource than the kubuntu support channel?
[23:39] <gastu> yep i'll take the time to see in alsa but not today
[23:40] <vlt> tekteen: Does upgrading mean foing the whole way Dapper->Edgy->Feisty->Gutsy or is there a faster way? Will there be an LTS->LTS upgrade for 8.04?
[23:41] <tekteen> vlt: no idea
[23:41] <vlt> WaltzingAlong: Do you know if there's some kind of "backports" available for Dapper where I could find a newer kernel?
[23:41] <ardchoille> vlt: It's recommended to go one release at a time
[23:41] <gastu> i'm switching again to linux i used to be gentoo and i find the way to install kubuntu easy only thing to say is why putting mp3 format in radio stream knowing amarok won't play it...
[23:42] <vlt> !mp3 > gastu
[23:42] <Radi01> gatsu: does your Amarok play?
[23:42] <gastu> i tried a couple of links and all of them where mp3 streams
[23:43] <Radi01> libxine1-ffmpeg
[23:43] <gastu> talking of the live cd to install
[23:43] <Radi01> oh ok
[23:44] <gastu> i wish to all of you a good night
[23:44] <gastu> gb
[23:44] <WaltzingAlong> vlt: not that i know. maybe get a pci nic?
[23:44] <Radi01> I'ts funny how many distros are trying to out do Ubuntu.
[23:45] <coreymon77> Radi01: you mean *buntu
[23:45] <trillis> Sorry...
[23:45] <coreymon77> trillis: hey, where did you go
[23:45] <ardchoille> Radi01: Shows how popular these distros are
[23:45] <trillis> My internet stopped working, and then my wireless settings wouldn't open.
[23:46] <trillis> I had to restart.
[23:46] <vlt> trillis: You got your own internet? :P
[23:46] <trillis> Heheh.
[23:46] <Radi01> Maybe those who saw you use their network cut you off/lol
[23:46] <ardchoille> trillis: Still need to install pidgin?
[23:46] <trillis> Yeah.
[23:46] <ardchoille> trillis_: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[23:46] <trillis> And no.
[23:46] <ardchoille> !pastebin
[23:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[23:47] <mehrez> hi
[23:47] <tekteen> ho
[23:47] <tekteen> hi*
[23:49] <ardchoille> Wow, just learned what 'cat > foo' does
[23:49] <ardchoille> That'll come i handy
[23:49] <Radi01> what did it do
[23:50] <trillis_> Areg...
[23:50] <ardchoille> It allows you to make a list or type a letter, then press ctrl+d to save it to foo
[23:50] <trillis_> Looks like it's just IRC,..
[23:50] <mehrez> i  have a probleme when mounting my ntfs partition
[23:50] <mehrez> can some one help me?
[23:50] <Radi01> cool
[23:50] <trillis_> Most likely.
[23:50] <ardchoille> Radi01: http://www.cyberciti.biz/nixcraft/linux/docs/uniqlinuxfeatures/lsst/
[23:50] <vlt> WaltzingAlong: Yeah, thank you. It's nearly 1 a.m. here and I totally forgot that I cuold just take a pci NIC ...
[23:50] <Radi01> k
[23:51] <jobbe> mehrez, ntfs can only be mounted read only afaik
[23:51] <tekteen>  anyone know how to make a alt. install cd get some packages from a local apt-cacher (repo) server?
[23:51] <jobbe> mount refuses service if you try anything else
[23:51] <mehrez> yes jobbe
[23:51] <mehrez> i know
[23:52] <mehrez> but with kubuntu i can't mount it !!!
[23:52] <ardchoille> !ntfs
[23:52] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[23:52] <Radi01> nice little hand book/thanks.
[23:52] <ardchoille> !ntfs-3g
[23:52] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[23:52] <mehrez> i mount the partition
[23:52] <mehrez> but whenn i open it
[23:52] <ardchoille> Radi01: yw :)
[23:52] <jobbe> oh, nice driver :) didn't know about that one
[23:53] <ardchoille> Radi01: Also, http://www.tldp.org
[23:53] <mehrez> it say that i don't have access to open it
[23:53] <Radi01> k
[23:53] <mehrez> and in terminal i open the partition with root and i can access it
[23:54] <Radi01> Those will sure save allot of headaches/thanks again,
[23:54] <ardchoille> Radi01: I spent two weeks there :)
[23:54] <Radi01> I prolly will also..good info.
[23:55] <WaltzingAlong> mehrez: so you can mount it, it gets mounted, the issue is setting the permissions you want?
[23:55] <WaltzingAlong> !mount | mehrez
[23:55] <Radi01> brb
[23:55] <Dr_willis> setting the permissions on a ntfs is  done with the options to mount, noteably the umask, and dmask, and perhaps uid/gid options.
[23:55] <ubotu> mehrez: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[23:56] <mehrez> yes
[23:56] <mehrez> this is the probleme
[23:56] <mehrez> is the permission
[23:56] <naelr> anyone good with ndiswrapper
[23:56] <coreymon77> trillis_: so, whats the deal now
[23:57] <mehrez> where i found permission setting ubotu
[23:57] <coreymon77> naelr: what card are we talking here
[23:57] <naelr> it is a newer atheros card
[23:57] <Dr_willis> !bot
[23:57] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[23:57] <coreymon77> naelr: and why are you using ndis again?
[23:57] <coreymon77> naelr: with atheros?
[23:58] <Dr_willis> mehrez,  if you are using Kubuntu 7.10 you proberly want to be using the ntfs-3g stuff to access the ntfs partitions. it makes it easier.
[23:58] <naelr> coreymon77: here is the problem I am having.. I have a new laptop and it has such new hardware that madwifi doesn't have drivers yet
[23:58] <tekteen>  anyone know how to make a remastered alt. install cd get some packages from a local apt-cacher server?
[23:58] <naelr> have been all over ubuntu forums and found others having the same problem
[23:58] <coreymon77> naelr: atheros chip cards work out of the box dont they?
[23:58] <naelr> coreymon77: not this one
[23:58] <mehrez> Dr_willis: how i use it the  "ntfs-3g"
[23:58] <mehrez> ??
[23:58] <coreymon77> naelr: which one is this?
[23:59] <naelr> coreymon77: that is part of the reason I bought this laptop.. wifi is a bitch...
[23:59] <vzduch> !ntfs-3g | mehrez
[23:59] <ubotu> mehrez: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[23:59] <naelr> um.. one sec I will get exact version
[23:59] <WaltzingAlong> tekteen: just change the sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d ?
[23:59] <naelr> coreymon77: Atheros AR5007EG
[23:59] <naelr> here is my issue
[23:59] <coreymon77> naelr: not really, i bought an atheros card and it works perfectly
[23:59] <knulfine> !de
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