[01:08] if there is anyone lurking in here for the us teams bug education event we're going to be in #ubuntu-us. my apologies. === Varka_ is now known as Varka [03:19] join #ubuntu-us [03:20] oops [03:21] heh [04:17] Fedex and UPS should have trebuchet shipping options [08:51] @schedule ljubljana [08:51] Schedule for Europe/Ljubljana: 01 Dec 12:00: Kubuntu Developers | 01 Dec 20:00: Art Team | 04 Dec 17:00: Server Team meeting | 05 Dec 21:30: Xubuntu meeting | 18 Dec 16:00: Server Team meeting [09:32] @now rome [09:32] Current time in Europe/Rome: December 01 2007, 10:32:47 - Next meeting: Kubuntu Developers in 1 hour 27 minutes [10:09] @schedule London [10:09] Schedule for Europe/London: 01 Dec 11:00: Kubuntu Developers | 01 Dec 19:00: Art Team | 04 Dec 16:00: Server Team meeting | 05 Dec 20:30: Xubuntu meeting | 18 Dec 15:00: Server Team meeting [10:14] @schedule Berlin [10:14] Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 01 Dec 12:00: Kubuntu Developers | 01 Dec 20:00: Art Team | 04 Dec 17:00: Server Team meeting | 05 Dec 21:30: Xubuntu meeting | 18 Dec 16:00: Server Team meeting === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Kubuntu Developers Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 01 Dec 19:00 UTC: Art Team | 04 Dec 16:00 UTC: Server Team meeting | 05 Dec 20:30 UTC: Xubuntu meeting | 18 Dec 15:00 UTC: Server Team meeting [10:54] Riddell: I have to pick my wife and son up in about 30min, so I'll miss at least part of the the meeting [10:55] ok [10:55] * Hobbsee waves [10:55] <_StefanS_> hi there [10:56] * stdin eats toast [10:56] <_StefanS_> did I make the meeting ? :) [10:56] it'll start in a couple mins [10:56] _StefanS_: of course [10:56] four minutes early I believe [10:57] good localtime all [10:57] * dthacker wishes the coffee pot would drip faster [10:57] lol [10:57] * imbrandon yawns [10:58] imbrandon: Never got to say this before, but thank you for the mirror :) [10:58] ardchoille: np, not sure which mirror you speak of but yw ( i have lots of mirrors ) :) [10:59] imbrandon: Seveas [10:59] I used it for a while in Edgy and Feisty [10:59] ahh okies :) ( i also run mirror.imbrandon.com full ubuntu mirror :P ) [10:59] Oh, didn't realise that [11:00] Good Morning Friends [11:00] mornin' :) [11:00] <_StefanS_> morning [11:00] Riddell: hey man, did you see me earlier message? [11:00] we have an agenda here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [11:00] moins Riddell [11:00] kwwii: I did [11:01] shall we start with membership? [11:01] is CarlosCabezas here? [11:02] how about RubenDíazAlonso ? [11:03] then maybe we have TerenceSimpson? [11:03] stdin: is here [11:03] yep [11:03] stdin: care to give yourself a brief intro [11:03] nixternal: has already voted onlist for this. [11:03] ok [11:03] and say why you want to be a Kubuntu member [11:03] hello all [11:04] My name is Terence Simpson (please no jokes ;) [11:04] I've been using Kubuntu since 2005 and started getting involved with mostly support [11:04] since then I've tried to learn more about how kubuntu is put together and about things like packaging [11:05] the reason I want to become a kubuntu member is because I think Kubuntu is Kool :) and I'd like to get more involved with Kubuntu [11:05] good reason :) [11:05] stdin is the hero of kde 4 rc 1 gutsy backports [11:05] and so he can get access to the kubuntu members PPA [11:06] Hobbsee: yeah, that too :p [11:06] stdin: what would your hope be for ongoing builds of kde4? [11:06] stdin: plenty more working needing done on those KDE 4 packages, would you want to get more involved with that? [11:06] * Lure hugs stdin for kde4 packages [11:06] as in, how often would you hope kubuntu would be providing them, and are you interested in helping out? [11:06] Riddell: yeah, they need to cleanly install :P [11:07] well, I would love to help with the KDE 4 packaging. when I did it last time I found it a bit of a learning curve but quite a good experience [11:07] I have seen more than a few people asking about kde releases in #kubuntu [11:08] <_StefanS_> +1 for your kde4 packages, work great here :) [11:08] * dthacker notes that stdin is a positive presence in #kubuntu and has helped him several times [11:08] and I would like to help to "get it out there" [11:08] stdin: so you compete with Jucato on #kubuntu? [11:08] ;-) [11:08] nah. he has completely taken over :) [11:08] Lure: nah, he always wins [11:08] more info on stdin in this thread https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-November/002021.html [11:08] (which is good, means I can relax more :P) [11:08] stdin, Jucato: competition is always good ;-) [11:09] any more questions? [11:09] no questions for me [11:09] has the meeting finished? [11:09] FWIW, I've heard that stdin writes good C++, although I've not had a chance to examine it. [11:09] JohnFlux: just started [11:09] Riddell: no, I am all fine to give stdin +1 [11:09] +1 from me too [11:09] +1 as well [11:09] +1 [11:09] stdin has done 10 times more than what's required for membership so +10 for me [11:09] I know stdin from #kubuntu and has been in that chanel as long as I can remember. He is quick to give good advice and is very knowledgable, IMHO. I would like to see stdin become a member. [11:09] ;) [11:09] easily done. [11:10] and I am feeling that we will get new motu candidate soon ;-) [11:10] congratulations stdin [11:10] \o/ [11:10] anyone else here for membership? [11:10] Yay! [11:10] welcome in the teams stdin ! [11:10] yay! [11:10] congrats stdin [11:10] congrats stdin! [11:10] congrats stdin and keep up with great work! [11:10] * stdin does a victory dance, then gets dizzy and falls down [11:10] congrats [11:11] stdin: congrats [11:11] hi mhb [11:11] thanks :) [11:11] * JohnFlux pipes stdin to stdout [11:11] heh ) [11:11] ...there's another stdin [11:11] :) [11:11] better than to stderr. ;) [11:11] * Hobbsee throws that one out [11:11] hello and congratulations to stdin [11:11] Well that's it for the member canditates, seeing as the others aren't around [11:11] congrats stdin [11:12] thanks [11:12] jpatrick: we can probably remove other two, as they even do not have wiki page [11:12] allee: your topic seems to be first [11:12] * Guillaume Martres (Smarter) here? [11:12] k [11:12] Lure: well they're both admins of kubuntu-es.org [11:12] jpatrick: but they need to write proper wiki presentation [11:12] Me wondered if it's worth to add permanent meeting Topics about: [11:12] News/Critics/Problems/Status to Upstream: KDE, Debian KDE Packages [11:12] Ditto for our Users: About feedback, requests, complain [11:12] I have a question and a request regarding Hardy. If this is the right place to post it, let me know when. [11:13] allee: it makes sense, but we should first agree to have more regular meetings [11:13] Tonio_: has wikilock. [11:13] ardchoille: ask in kubuntu-devel preferably [11:13] ardchoille: perhaps later in #kubuntu-devel [11:13] Ah, ok. [11:13] er.. I'm an echo :) [11:13] Lure++ === Shely is now known as MJ086 [11:14] Riddell: I would start with every 2nd week or so [11:14] I just added a last point to discuss :) sorry for this [11:14] * allee nods [11:14] Riddell: even monthly would be better than ad-hoc [11:14] Lure: every month was the plan, and worked fine until i got snowed under with exam stuff [11:14] that's what I said :) [11:14] Hobbsee: should be okay now [11:14] anybody have News/Critics/Problems/Status to Upstream: KDE, Debian KDE Packages? [11:14] I know I need to send the debian kde packagers a diff of our kde 3 packages now they are merged [11:15] * Hobbsee gives back the wikilock [11:15] yeah, please make sure you send stuff back - some of us have direct commit access, and bribes are accepted. [11:15] hehe [11:15] every month doesn't seem enough to me, depending the status of the dev cycle [11:16] yea but monthy is better than ad-hoc :) [11:16] maybe every 2 weeks and monthly after feature freeze or something like that [11:16] imbrandon: well, duh :) [11:16] Tonio_: that sounds sane. [11:16] I agree with Tonio_ , perhaps every 2 weeks? [11:16] I'm not aware of 'upstream' problems/suggestions. [11:17] also we should consider extra meetings especially for feedback on beta releases for example [11:17] lets try every two weeks, should keep meeting shorter if nothing else [11:17] Riddell: I do not see open issues now, but I expect some work is needed jointly with debian on PolicyKit/ConsoleKit support in KDE [11:17] Hobbsee: yea i have alioth commit access now too, and should be arround alot more this cycle fwiw, got all the RL streightend out and been back for a few months now [11:17] Riddell: I see that gnome packages already dopted it [11:17] Lure: consolekit we have already [11:17] Lure: we have it too [11:17] imbrandon: great! [11:17] at least for kde 3 [11:17] I'll give you one example : we didn't get feedback for gutsy beta, and didn't consider people's dissapointment with strigi and dolphin for example [11:18] Riddell: great, but my usb stick still does not work [11:18] AFAIU debian does not use a seperate install tree but use FHS for KDE$ [11:18] Tonio_: I agree - we should reconsider such changes again based on beta feedback [11:18] allee: FHS? [11:19] Lure: works fine here (hardy install from yesterday) [11:19] Hobbsee: File Hierarchy Standard [11:19] Lure: oh right [11:19] Riddell: ok, then something is wrong with my setup, will look into it [11:19] shall we discuss strigi and dolphin? [11:20] oh [11:20] #startmeeting [11:20] Meeting started at 11:20. The chair is Hobbsee. [11:20] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [11:20] since it's on the agenda [11:20] forgot that [11:20] Riddell: I added the point on the wiki, and I consider that yes, we should [11:20] TOPIC: shall we discuss strigi and dolphin? [11:20] TOPIC shall we discuss strigi and dolphin? [11:20] especially dolphin imho [11:20] I guess we should [11:20] * allee removed strigi [11:20] Hobbsee: with a # in front maybe? [11:21] #TOPIC shall we discuss strigi and dolphin? [11:21] * Lure too [11:21] * Tonio_ removed dolphin ;) [11:21] and strigi [11:21] personally I love dolphin, I've started using a GUI file manager since we got it [11:21] [TOPIC] shall we discuss strigi and dolphin? [11:21] New Topic: shall we discuss strigi and dolphin? [11:21] Hobbsee: ITYM "[TOPIC]" [11:21] hurrah! [11:21] * Mithrandir ruffles Hobbsee [11:21] I don't mind dolphin but it sometimes won't paste to remote fish locations, which is a problem for what I'd use it for. [11:21] what are the arguments against it? [11:21] there are lots of problems with dolphin [11:21] Riddell: I am also fine with dolphin as default, but we should have easy way for users to switch back [11:21] I dislike dolphin because it lacks a tabbed ui and there is no easy way to enable a tree view. [11:22] lack of support for ark is the best example [11:22] personal preferences, lack of maintainers [11:22] Riddell: no tabs :( [11:22] Tonio_: not sure if this are problems for typical users - probably stdin and Jucato can give some feedback from support channel [11:22] * _StefanS_ removed all dolphin aswell [11:22] also, there are lots of bugs that maybe some of us don't see but that really causes problems to the user [11:22] i think dolphin should have also tree view [11:22] Tonio_: the ark thing is pretty bad [11:22] Also lacks a way to delete a file/folder or empty the trash [11:22] imbrandon: that is power user feature [11:22] a hard way to switch back - but I think that plagues us for some releases [11:22] from what I've seen, the only reason people are so resistant to dolphin is because it's not konqueror [11:22] Hardy is an LTS release. d3lphin seems to be unmaintained by the main forker/developer. we'll be doing almost all of the fixing and adding of features to make it usable. are we willing to do that for the lifetime of Hardy? [11:22] graphical bugs when switching to twin panel [11:22] Poweruser removing dolphin does not count!!! That's expected !!!! [11:23] seeing as we're not dolphin developers, is there any great point in discussing how dolphin should be changed? [11:23] <_StefanS_> stdin: lack of features, stability also... [11:23] dolphin sometimes looses user's preferences (I've seen that and it's been reported) [11:23] Lure: ever since every browser on the planet got tabs , tabs are no longer a "power" feature in apps [11:23] Hobbsee: there are no d3lphin developers (emphasis on plural)... [11:23] imbrandon: they are for file mgmt interface [11:23] kde devs seems pretty much concerned by this problem and by our dolphin giving bad feeling to the user.... [11:23] Jucato: Is upstream non-maintained or the Kubuntu package? [11:23] i would have thought the better discussion would be on "based on what we know the failures of dolphin to be, what do we want to do about it in kubuntu? [11:23] <_StefanS_> imho dolphin isn't mature [11:23] _StefanS_: yeah, but most people aren't even willing to try dolphin to start with. they see it's not what they are used to and don't like to change [11:23] dthacker: upstream (one man team) [11:23] (IMHO) [11:23] I agree with dolphin on kubuntu, but please don't make it the default ! [11:24] Dolphin does not keep hidden files viewable across sessions, the option doesn't "stick" [11:24] ouch! that's thin for LTS. [11:24] cause konqueror, despite it's problems, is way more mature [11:24] there is little sense in putting dolphin and not making it default. [11:24] stdin: if they do not want to change, we should make it easy to swicth back [11:24] <_StefanS_> stdin: well my wife hated it too, and she's no poweruser, nor does she use adv. features [11:24] mhb: +1 [11:24] Lure: agreed [11:25] <_StefanS_> stdin: thumbnail displays not behaving and so on [11:25] _StefanS_: I'm not saying it's the only reason people don't like it, but a lot of people don't get past that one [11:25] another problem is that due to the way we do the association with inode/directory, every kds update overwrites the settings and switch bad to dolphin [11:25] which is nasty [11:25] spose we could just take a vote and see what way it goes [11:25] to be fair, I think mhb has started to fix some of d3lphin's biggest issues. I think that if we or someone is willing to do a lot of the heavy lifting on our side for the duration of LTS, we can keep d3lphin as the default [11:25] stdin, Jucato: are there bug reports on #kubuntu or just "I prefer konquerer better"? [11:26] I have read through many of the bug reports, some are pretty bad, but I think they are fixable [11:26] <_StefanS_> Jucato: not enough ressources [11:26] Lure: most common issues discussed concern preferences lost [11:26] Lure: user opinion on this matter is a bit split. But I've observed that most complaints about d3lphin are due to d3lphin being broken [11:26] Jucato: not enough ressources and too much for for ONE release only [11:26] (no tabs is just a minor nuisance compared to others) [11:26] Tonio_: I understand users used to konq, but I am more concerned about new users [11:27] [ACTION] People to merge packages back in with the debian QT KDE extras team as much as possible [11:27] ACTION received: People to merge packages back in with the debian QT KDE extras team as much as possible [11:27] Tonio_: if you like konq, it is still there and we should make it easier to swicth [11:27] [ACTION] stdin is a new kubuntu member [11:27] ACTION received: stdin is a new kubuntu member [11:27] * allee does not dare to look at Hobbsee [11:27] allee: :P [11:27] it is quite easy to say "we", but I think we should find volunteers for some actions, otherwise nobody does it [11:27] Lure: to what I've seen, once you tell them "to tar.gz a file, you have to go command line" they consider dolphin is shit [11:27] allee: i've merged bits back [11:28] Lure: that's my point [11:28] for example, I volunteer to solve some of the evil bugs on D3lphin that are reported [11:28] if it stays [11:28] i just merged lots of bits back for underpinngs of libs amarok uses :) [11:28] mhb: +1 [11:28] heh [11:28] and I really feel bad about that since I am the guy who suggested it's inclusion, which was a bad idea, really [11:28] Tonio_: can we create a page with top bug list or just prioritize them in LP? [11:28] mhb: might you volunteer to add a "file manager" to Default Applications? [11:29] mhb: you have my full support [11:29] Riddell: That is an excellent idea [11:29] Lure, mhb, Riddell: I'm okay to give dolphin a chance, but don't forget that hardy is lts [11:29] * Jucato tried to figure out how to add a file manager chooser... but gave up :P [11:29] mhb: I may look into some bugs too, as I like that we are not changing our mind every release [11:29] I may be able to find time to help with D3lphin as well. [11:29] so even if lots of things are done, we might consider removing it if that's not enough [11:29] Riddell: I might try, but I hoped for other people to follow my example :o) [11:29] Tonio_: +1 [11:30] Tonio_: I know, but SRU are done primarily for security (not that big concern for dolphin) and major fixes [11:30] Riddell: but if nobody else volunteers, I can attempt to do it [11:30] [ACTION] mhb, Lure, waylandbill and others to help solve some of d3phin's bigger issues [11:30] ACTION received: mhb, Lure, waylandbill and others to help solve some of d3phin's bigger issues [11:30] mhb: promissing not to go angry if we decide to drop it despite your work arround it ? [11:30] Tonio_: he'll probably just come and kill you, nothing major. [11:30] lol [11:30] mhb: cause I know the frustration of doing good work and see the work droped from kubuntu, bad feeling :) [11:31] can we set a deadline to see if these issues can be resolved? hopefully not at the last minute? [11:31] Tonio_: I wont be angry publicly, I can promise that :o) I hoped that we can first decide and then vote [11:31] Jucato: feature freeze presumably [11:31] mhb: I don't want to hurt you on that point, but of course I'll propose it's removal again if I'm convinced we go on the wrong way for hardy (lts) [11:31] Tonio_: err, then take action [11:32] mhb: my point is "are we sure to make it mature enough for default inclusion" ? [11:32] in an *LTS* [11:32] never forget companies are looking for lts for example [11:32] * _StefanS_ highly doubt that d3lphin will ever be mature before kde4 takes over [11:32] I would like to know how many people would still vote against Dolphin if some of the major bugs were fixed and there would be the file manager chooser [11:32] we can't release with something that is not as stable and mature than konqueror is [11:32] is there a plan for ark inclusion ? [11:33] fixing bugs is not enough, dolphin lacks features ! [11:33] mhb: you have my vote *for* D3lphin if that happens [11:33] can we say "re-assess readiness in 6--8 weeks" and see how much work mhb and the other are able to get knocked out? [11:33] Speaking as someone who has helped more than 200 people switch from other OS's to Ubuntu/Kubuntu, would you all like to hear what my clients are saying about dolphin? [11:33] mhb: I like dolphin UI and my kids too. So without big bugs +1 from my POV [11:33] ardchoille: sure [11:33] can we improve dolphin to the point it is mature enough to be used for 3 years in companies ? [11:33] ardchoille: fire away please :) [11:33] that's the one and only question we should consider [11:33] and my response is probably : no, to much work [11:33] I could look at how to add a file manager choice in Default Apps, but don't want to commit to say that I can until I look at the coding involved. I think it would be helpful to have regardless of the ultimate default chosen. [11:34] The bulk of the comments are more like "isn't that a gnome program? kde is powerful but dolphin seems to be dombed-down" [11:34] mhb: can we create wiki page with top offenders and then prioritize [11:34] *dumbed [11:34] but mhb can do it, I'm fine with it, I just don't want to take the risk of getting him to work on it and then drop te package in 2 month cause it is too "touchy" [11:34] Lure: bug reports will do, we can prioritize them [11:34] ardchoille: we will have such comments also in kde4 (even though that dolhin improved) [11:34] mhb: ok, will start there. [11:34] Lure: I gave mhb a list of top offending d3lphin bugs. I checked on them after a day or so and saw mhb has started doing work on it :) [11:34] eveybody: check priorities/severity of bugs and put comments for top issues [11:34] <_StefanS_> Lure: dolphin in kde4 is way better [11:35] waylandbill: I looked at that, and that's pretty hard to do [11:35] (and I lost the list so only mhb has it :P) [11:35] we should move on [11:35] right [11:35] waylandbill: not because of the module, but because apps have to be patched to use the defined value [11:35] I'm feeling that if top issues are fixed it'll be good to include in hardy [11:35] [action] people to prioritise d3lphin bugs, and fix them. [11:35] ACTION received: people to prioritise d3lphin bugs, and fix them. [11:35] _StefanS_: but still not that mature :( [11:35] Riddell: +1 [11:35] we can reassess around feature freeze [11:35] Riddell: top issues and ark, please consider ark..... [11:35] next item is "Discuss KubuntuHardyCatchup." but there's no name next to it [11:36] yes, one of the most complained is Ark :) [11:36] er, do weekend meetings work better fo rpeople in general? [11:36] Riddell: that's the one and only problem I consider really grave with dolphin [11:36] I haven't seen any problems with ark, I love that app. [11:36] ardchoille: except when it crashes :) [11:36] Riddell: maybe you don't use ark, but my mother can't go with tar command line....... [11:36] Riddell: mine, I thought we'd talk on who's working on what and how it's going [11:36] Hobbsee: they do for me, I have school until late in the evening [11:36] ardchoille: Ark integration in dolphin is what we mean ) [11:36] Hobbsee: Ah, ok. I've never had anything crash since Breezy [11:37] Jucato: Ah, right. [11:37] ardchoille: try with a big file. [11:37] or a big set of files [11:37] Oh [11:37] bonus points to segunda for being the first to implement part of KubuntuHardyCatchup [11:37] ardchoille: no way to compress a file, only folders, no way to select the compression type, and tar.gz is evil if your user has windows etc...... [11:37] Tonio_: Ok [11:37] s/segunda/Serega/ :) [11:37] [topic] kubuntu hardy catchup! [11:37] New Topic: kubuntu hardy catchup! [11:37] jpatrick: that's the dude :) [11:37] Tonio_: I agree. have to have compression choices for sure. [11:37] ah, I wonder who that was [11:37] Riddell: or Jucato ) [11:38] :) [11:38] jpatrick comes in a close second with LUKS support [11:38] :) [11:38] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHardyCatchup [11:39] still searching for helpers on User Hard Disk Mounting, Brightness Control, Compiz and Printing Tools [11:39] compiz should actually work now [11:39] Compiz has started in https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/guidance/desktop-effects-kde [11:39] the compiz guys have been doing some work, but are having trouble getting it to build sometimes [11:39] Riddell: I am a bit lost with laptop brightness key regression, but there is one user that want to help [11:40] * allee plans to learn via helping with python qt4 (kde4) programming [11:40] Riddell: I really do not get it where the key is lost [11:40] * jpatrick too [11:40] Lure: can't help on that point since pommed and macbook still work on that point, and I have no other machine than macbooks now :/ [11:41] we shouldn't be coding anything in qt3 any more [11:41] Riddell: I'll have a look into the printing stuff. Sounds interesting on first reading [11:41] allee: excellent :) [11:41] * _StefanS_ could help test the brightness controls on a few local laptops [11:41] Riddell: what about guidance powermanager? I know someone did initial qt4 port that sebas commited somewhere, but not sure if it makes sense to move it forward [11:41] _StefanS_: talk to Lure there [11:42] Lure: there's a power manager plasma applet for kde 4 [11:42] not sure how complete it is, but that's the way to go [11:42] Riddell: I will write mail to kubuntu-devel today and Cc interested people [11:42] it's shiny. it even wroks [11:42] no idea if you can customize it, though [11:42] <_StefanS_> Lure: mail me when you would like stuff for brigthness tested [11:43] _StefanS_: will write down some debugging notes today/tommorow [11:43] didn't qt3 powermanager use poll? this should be fixable with qt4 dbus right? [11:43] the question is more "should we still consider working on guidance-power-manager for hardy" ? [11:43] _StefanS_: and I am trying to get one old dell laptop at work for testing (we only have HP around) [11:43] seems mature enough for me [11:43] the only big problem is the lack of translation [11:43] allee: yes, but we're close enough to kde 4 that we should just wait for that [11:43] Tonio_: yep, that is also my impression [11:43] allee: yes, that is fixable [11:44] allee: just some work [11:44] Riddell: so Hardy will poll 3 years ? :) [11:44] moving on? [11:44] allee: 1sec polling is not that bad if you look at your powertop output ;-) [11:44] Lure: :) [11:45] is the lack of translation fixable or not ? [11:45] allee: I can work on low level stuff (hal, dbus...), I am just not GUI developer ... ;-) [11:45] Tonio_: lack of translation? [11:45] Tonio_: should be yes [11:45] we are releasing with english powermanager for a long time now, an lts should have this fixed [11:45] Riddell: so mantra: is fix stabilize KDE3 for hardy. Bigger tasks in qt4 so they can be used in KDE4 without chagnes? [11:45] * Lure was not aware of that [11:45] I didn't even know translation were broken [11:45] Lure: powermanager is in english only [11:46] * Lure needs to start Slovenian translations.. ;-) [11:46] allee: yes [11:46] Lure: translations are done in kde [11:46] just that we don't get them for some strange reason.... [11:46] we have to make this the top priority issue I suspect... [11:46] Hobbsee: action that [11:47] imho LTS release means "corporate usage", and therefore priorities are a bit different on that point [11:47] me and Tonio_ to look into power manager translations [11:47] Riddell: yup, I can spend time on taht point [11:47] [action] Riddell and Tonio_ to fix powermanager translations for hardy, as we appear to have none [11:47] ACTION received: Riddell and Tonio_ to fix powermanager translations for hardy, as we appear to have none [11:47] "Decide on regular meeting times" seems to be next [11:48] I thought we did that.. [11:48] we did that already, didnt we? [11:48] [topic] Decide on regular meeting times [11:48] New Topic: Decide on regular meeting times [11:48] <_StefanS_> Lure: I have a dell laptop I could give you remote access to if you want to test dell specific stuff. obviously you cant see brigthness, but it may help you anyways [11:48] mhb: we just need to decide on day and time [11:48] time and day? [11:48] yeah [11:48] [action] we will have meetings every 2 weeks, preferably on a weekend. [11:48] ACTION received: we will have meetings every 2 weeks, preferably on a weekend. [11:48] this time works well for me. [11:48] seems decided :) [11:48] hmm, weekends a are variable for people [11:48] Hobbsee: +1 [11:48] and this time doesn't work for US [11:48] _StefanS_: will see, [11:48] lets move times, but keep weekends [11:48] <_StefanS_> Lure: now you know ;) [11:48] time works if coffeepot works [11:48] erm, it probably won't be for me in 2 weeks, perhaps. we'll see. [11:49] I think we should rotate between 11UTC and 23UTC [11:49] I would like to know if there is a schedule or something that shows when and where new meetings will be held.. I'd like to attend future meetings [11:49] Riddell: that sounds ok for me [11:49] Riddell: +1 on rotation [11:49]