=== DM|_ is now known as DM| [00:14] soren: this should help - I rebooted in recovery mode (and with no silly splash screen), and got this: alert! /dev/disk/by-uuid-ad2c6.......2a3 does not exist, dropping to a shell [00:39] * nijaba is going to bed [00:42] nijaba: sweet dreams - yet another virtual reality, much cheaper! [03:42] Hello. Can anyone familiar with prevu and backporting have a look at this prevu output for me and help me understand the nature of the failure? http://rafb.net/p/Ns0NLR55.html [03:56] Innatech: It looks like probably a bug in the package with debhelper level setting, but I'd have to review the code to be sure. [03:56] Innatech: Additionally, that's pbuilder running in that part of PREVU, so anyone familiar with pbuilder (which is a lot more than PREVU) could have read that. [03:59] ScottK: what should I read to try and familiarize myself with the tools enough to correct the problem? [04:00] ScottK: debhelper and pbuilder man pages, I'm assuming. [04:00] Innatech: If you look at the source of the package, there should be a file debian/compat that should have a number in it. [04:01] If it does and the number is 5, then you need to whine to jdong to help you with prevu. [04:01] Heh, OK. [04:01] If it's not there or it's higher than 5, then you need to file a bug (and maybe try to fix it). [04:02] *popping in at ScottK's request* [04:03] Innatech meet jdong. jdong, meet Innatech [04:03] whee! [04:03] jdong: http://rafb.net/p/Ns0NLR55.html is the issue in question. [04:04] * ScottK doesn't have time to look at it, but it seemed like an odd error to be in the actual package. [04:04] Hello! [04:04] *waits for rafb to load* [04:04] I'm looking through the package for the files ScottK indicated should be present. [04:05] jdong: I told him to check debian/compat just to make sure it didn't say 6 for some odd reason. [04:05] I still can't get the pastebin to load... the connection seems to be timing out [04:05] hmm. I'll use a different pastebin. [04:05] thanks [04:06] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46395/ [04:07] ah yes, that's better [04:07] weird error indeed [04:07] *reproduces* [04:08] OK, so I'm not crazy. I usually assume the problem is me. [04:08] ScottK: debian/compat says 6 for shorewall 3.4.4-1 [04:10] So, it wants a newer debhelper than prevu is using? [04:10] Innatech: it wants a newer debhelper than what Feisty has (prevu uses a stock feisty build environment) [04:11] Innatech: you can either try to introduce a newer debhelper, or figure out what part of the new shorewall packaging needs the new compat level and try to shave it back down to how it was. [04:11] hrrrm. Well, I need to get a newer shorewall somehow. The version in the Feisty repos is too old to do multiple WAN connections. [04:12] Would it be worth trying to create a new package for Feisty using a tarball of a newer version rather than trying to meddle with the Gutsy package? I'm not well acquainted with altering packages. [04:12] Innatech: ok, someone's gonna hurt me for saying this BUT...... [04:13] Innatech: just set the debian/compat back down to 5 and see if the build fails [04:13] :) [04:13] heh. [04:13] it's more sane than totally repackaging from scratch for sure [04:14] OK. I'll see what I can figure out. [04:15] Innatech: in case you didn't know, running "prevu" in the source directory builds the modified source directory. It works similarly to pdebuild. [04:15] jdong: debhelper 6 doesn't exist yet does it? [04:15] Hobbsee: *shrug* first time I've heard of it... [04:15] if it does, it's not in ubuntu [04:16] looks like a typo [04:16] jdong: yes, I think I saw that on the wiki page. So I just grab the source, make the change and see if it builds. [04:16] but yet shorewall synced from debian sid wants it [04:16] Innatech: I'll test a build just to see what happens [04:16] Hobbsee: could very well be [04:16] and we would have expected more packages coming thru and failing for it [04:17] Innatech: builds *perfectly* with debian/compat set to 5 [04:18] Cool. I'm still fumbling around, but I should have it in a minute. === Kasheye is now known as AlexJTanner [04:18] yeah lemme know if you have trouble doing the build [04:23] I'm just having trouble finding the correct file to alter. I grabbed the .dsc with dget, but it appears not to include the source. [04:24] Innatech: dgetting the .dsc should grab a .dsc, .diff.gz, and .orig.tar.gz [04:24] Innatech: alternatively, apt-get source shorewall [04:25] Yeah, I have the orig.tar.gz, but there's no .debian/ in it. [04:25] Innatech: you need to run dpkg-source -x on the .dsc file [04:25] that will properly extract the source [04:25] ah. [04:25] the debian dir is actually a patch in the .diff.gz file [04:25] dpkg-source -x correctly applies it [04:25] gothca. [04:25] it's roughly the same as cd'ing into the .orig.tar.gz then running zcat ../*.diff.gz | patch -p1 [04:26] but needless to say dpkg-source -x *.dsc is a bit easier :) [04:28] OK, building now.... [04:28] cool [04:28] it's going to take a minute, this little box isn't the swiftest. [04:32] still pulling additional packages for the build environment... [04:34] Success! [04:35] :) [04:35] * Innatech thanks jdong & scottk [04:36] So, would attaching the generated .deb to a request for an addition to feisty-backports be a reasonable thing to do? [04:44] Innatech: well you can but it will likely not be immediately approved without more work [04:44] Innatech: first we need to figure out what's up with this DEBCOMPAT=6 ordeal in the package [04:44] then we need to evaluate backporting it to Gutsy too [04:45] finally, I'd like verification that this release is backwards compatible [04:45] i.e. Shorewall rules written in the Feisty version all run on the Hardy one [04:45] as long as these simple things can be done, the backport's a go. [04:53] jdong: I grabbed this one from Gutsy, FWIW. I'll be using it on a fairly busy router, so I'll see how it goes. [04:53] Innatech ok [06:05] hello? [06:14] anyone know how to autologin on gutsy server? [06:31] Is modprobing xt_connmark.ko not enough to enable connmark target support? xt_connmark.ko appears in my lsmod, but shorewall is telling me that it isn't supported by the kernel. [06:31] I want to make sure this functionality hasn't been made available as a module before I recompile the kernel. [06:40] OK, this seems to say that I do need to recompile: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.shorewall/17661 [06:46] joycetick: so you want to boot to a console prompt as a particular user (i.e. not some sort of gdm autologin?) [06:47] nealmcb: yeah [06:47] then i was going to run startx [06:48] joycetick: I haven't seen a request for that before :-) [06:48] theres always a first time :) [06:48] oh, so you do want a gui? gnome? [06:49] nah, ive got fluxbox atm [06:49] there might be a way in gnome/gdm or the like [06:49] not enough resources for gnome :P [06:50] otherwise, if its possible to run utorrent under wine without a gui or logged in [06:52] no specifics, but sounds like someone did it and got stuck: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=219863 [06:55] :( [06:57] do you if i could run utorrent under wine as a service? so i dont need to login for it to start? [06:59] damn cntl-w key..... [06:59] joycetick: ask again about wine? [07:00] do you if i could run utorrent under wine as a service? so i dont need to login for it to start [07:00] you want to seed something? [07:01] and download freely distributable files of course :) [07:01] i can manage the torrents through the web interface on another computer [07:02] * nealmcb now has evidence that it is time for bed :-/ [07:03] I don't know about utorrent, but I wouldn't see why not - just set up a script in /etc/init.d and link it in to run on startup [07:03] assuming it can run without a terminal [07:05] configure it to run automatically with one of these: sysv-rc-conf, bum, rcconf and file-rc [07:05] so, create a file eg /etc/init.d/utorrent, and include the command to run utorrent in there [07:06] and configure it with one of those tools so it is in /etc/rc2.d IIRC [07:08] sorry, how would i do that? [07:09] bash: sysv-rc-conf: command not found :( [07:10] joycetick: you'll have to read the man pages for that, or find howtos on the web - but it is pretty straightforward. I'm headed off now - good luck! [07:10] nealmcb: ok thanks for your help [07:10] :-) [13:14] Greetings === Drazha492 is now known as Drazha === Drazha585 is now known as Drazha === ember_ is now known as ember === ember_ is now known as ember [15:25] moin [15:31] hi === Drazha23 is now known as Drazha === Drazha797 is now known as Drazha [16:03] can i set up a domain when setting up a web server? im not sure how this works, Is there a way to do it where i dont have to PAY anyone [16:04] you have to buy domain [16:05] well you can get one of those freedomains as well like dyndns [16:05] true... [16:07] you could have an internal only domain... [16:07] you don't even need a domain :) [16:08] I have a dyndns, but i wanted my own @mydomainname [16:08] localhost.localdomain is included with the package ;-). a complete FQDN :-) [16:08] Nafallo: for free :) [16:08] DM|: that. you'll have to pay for. [16:08] thatss gay [16:08] s/\./\,/ [16:08] DM|: then you have to pay for it [16:08] DM|: no. makes sense. [16:09] Nafallo only to one who knows about it, to the outsiders, it doesnt [16:09] DM|: you'll have to trust my word on it then. [16:09] Not questioning your word :) [16:09] :-) [16:10] it would be great if i could just say, ok, from now 'cocacola.com' is mine [16:10] well i got dyndns working so i gues that will work [16:10] woha! 15 minutes until I can install my smurf! :-D [16:10] Can i set up ubuntu-server to be an FTP ? [16:10] yes [16:10] DM|: dyndns has a nice service called mydyndns as well. [16:10] Nafallo paid ? [16:10] DM|: yes [16:10] see [16:11] im poor [16:11] so that doesnt work for me [16:11] DM|: they provide supreme services :-) [16:11] hm... domains are cheap [16:11] ivoks: I buy their service to use them as slaves :-) [16:12] ivoks: so for me, domains scale depending on what service level I want ;-) [16:12] i don't use dyndns [16:12] i have one server with it's domain, and then i use bind to scale down domain1.mydomain.com, computer1.domain1.mydomain.com :) [16:13] not sure if this is the channel, but does the RaQ 4's need special memory modules? [16:13] ivoks: well, ns1.magicalforest.se has ns[2-5].mydyndns.org as slaves :-P [16:14] for the primary zone anyway. [16:16] anyone have a good guide for setting up FTP? [16:16] help.ubuntu.com probably has somewhere. [16:21] Yeah just to set up [16:21] well, install [16:21] but not how to access === Drazha653 is now known as Drazha [16:26] ehhrm [16:26] how do you usually access ftp? [16:27] ftp client [16:31] well [16:31] from connect to server, or from map network drive if accessing from windows [16:31] DM|: you do know you are asking us how to use computer? [16:31] ivoks ..... [16:32] hello [16:32] ivoks i seriously doubt ":how to i access the FTP server after i set it up" is a "how do I use a computer, don't be a jerk [16:33] i have a problem when i use ls all file are in white except one who is in red, what does that mean? [16:34] and how do i delete it [16:35] red is broken link, probably [16:37] is there a way to fix it? [16:37] check with ls -dl filename [16:37] it will show a destination file [16:38] if there is no such file, create it, or erase that broken link [16:38] that's called dangling symlink [16:38] and is a big security issue [16:38] DM|: [16:38] DM|: http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesArticle/id-188,subcat-BUILDING.html [16:38] thanks [16:38] ok how do i delete it and do an other one [16:38] rm filename [16:39] no i mean the link [16:39] rm dosent work [16:40] zylmak: do ls -dl filename [16:40] 001-alboscn -> /etc/apache2/sites-available/default [16:40] rm 001-alboscn [16:41] the file default was renamed to 001-alboscn [16:41] you need sudo if you aren't root [16:41] zylmak: no it was not. [16:41] thats what i did [16:41] zylmak: the file /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/001-alboscn was linked to /etc/apache2/sites-available/default [16:43] or do you mean 001-default to 001-alboscn [16:43] ? [16:44] ok that what i did : 1 rn 000-default 001-alboscn then rn default alboscn [16:44] Do we now have a policy for the server team that suggests assigning bugs to the team is OK? I got a couple yesterday and another just now. [16:44] im using gftp right now, is there a better ftp client for GTK? [16:44] zylmak: yea, so you're link points to the wrong file because fo that... [16:45] but obviously i didnt understand the link, so the first thing witch one have to be the real one? [16:45] DM|: depends on personal taste. [16:45] i like simplicity, any suggestions? [16:46] DM|: this is server channel - we don't use GUI [16:46] ivoks: speak for yourself ;-) [16:46] :) [16:46] ivoks stop commenting please, you arent helping. [16:47] Nafallo: we agreed on parsing questions around here [16:47] ivoks: GUI is good for having lots of terminals topened ;-) [16:47] so we don't do GUI related questions [16:47] s/to/o/ [16:47] Really they belong in #ubuntu. [16:47] lftp fqdn [16:47] user user [16:47] ls [16:47] there ya go ;-) [16:48] lftp is fine :) ncftp too :) === zobbo_ is now known as zobbo [16:49] conclusion was that we want to add 'support' to this channel, but only for server related stuff [16:49] topic says all [16:49] yea [16:49] If you dont like what the question is, dont respond to it [16:51] DM|: your question is exaplained in topic of the channel [16:51] 'For general (not server specific) support visit #ubuntu' [16:52] ivoks i was having a CONVERSATION with Nafallo as a suggestion [16:52] guys, we have to draw a line, otherwise we will have too much noise :/ [16:52] DM|: no you wasn't. you asked me a question and I googled for you. [16:52] ivoks and you waste alot of time to be a DB about it. [16:52] Nafallo and i quote "any suggestions?" [16:53] DM|: anyway. stop it now. #ubuntu is the place. [16:53] Thanks for the help anyway [16:55] nealmcb: hi there [16:57] ivoks: howdy! I'm hanging out with some folks from boulder at the django sprint [16:57] http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/Sprint1Dec2007 [16:57] nealmcb: Oh, cool! [16:57] nice [16:57] soren: you are here too :) [16:57] ivoks: Sssh... don't tell anyone. [16:58] Sore...who? [16:58] jim is working on the final push to get django working on jython [16:59] soren: so, what now? i don't mind doing all mail related stuff by default [16:59] do we have agreement on that, or should we discuss it at the meeting? [17:00] ivoks: Well, as far as I could see, all the changes you wanted to make to dovecot could be applied on all systems with no downsides. [17:00] ivoks: (apart from the maildir thing) [17:00] and postfix support [17:00] ivoks: ? [17:00] some of changes are postfix-only changes [17:00] authorization part is done inside postfix jail [17:01] check out that patch, it requires having postfix installed [17:01] Right. I was just talking about dovecot. [17:01] soren: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10629598/tasksel.diff [17:01] Are you changing anything in dovecot's configuration that requires postfix to be around? [17:01] yes [17:01] we have to [17:01] Aw, crap. [17:01] cause postfix is jailed [17:02] Right. [17:03] Erm.. [17:03] Well, /var/run/dovecot/auth-client is really the proper place for the socket. [17:03] but postfix doesn't see it then [17:03] ...so some way to get postfix to be able to access it would be optimal, but I don't have any good suggestions for that right now. [17:04] there is exaclty the same problem with all other sasl implementations [17:04] that's why we are doing this trough default mail server install [17:05] True. [17:05] to provide super mail server without any need to do editing configuration, linking and stuff... [17:05] and, for those that know what they are oding, they could always do it by hand [17:06] got it. [17:06] we could divide this patch in two pieces [17:06] one would be general dovecot improvments [17:06] and everything else would go in tasksel [17:07] * soren considers how bind mounts and unix sockets work together [17:07] that corss my mind too [17:07] hmmm [17:08] 5pm...maybe I should get out of bed... [17:08] That might actually work. [17:08] google speaks of a few people who did it to access the X unix sockets. [17:09] It's worth a try. [17:09] we could try yes... [17:09] Could you do that? [17:09] yes [17:09] That would be excellent. [17:09] dovecot [17:09] 's init script could check if /var/run/postfix exists and if so, bindmount /var/run/dovecot/auth-client into it somewhere. [17:10] other way around [17:10] postfix should check [17:10] we can force the ordering of the startup, you know [17:10] of course we can [17:10] dovecot should start first [17:10] what are you doing? :-) [17:10] ivoks: Good point. [17:10] Nafallo: conspiring, of course. [17:11] * lamont is about to run out the door for the day [17:11] about 2 hours late, but ... [17:11] lamont: mails filed into postgresql? ;-) [17:11] lamont: Have you tried the unix socket bind mount thing? [17:11] umm... [17:11] soren: I believe that it works... [17:11] lamont: Wicked. [17:11] maybe dovecot could listen on localhost? [17:11] we win. [17:11] dunno that I've ever tried. it... [17:11] instead of socket :) [17:12] the easy one to check with is the syslog socket, and then syslog restart and see if postfix logging still works.. :) [17:12] or something like that [17:13] i could also, really, look at possibility to get dovecot listen on localhost:someport [17:13] i would really like to escape additional mounts in my 'mount' output :) [17:13] ivoks: That would be good, too :) [17:16] I've got to run.. [17:16] * soren vanishes [17:17] * ScottK votes no on SQL mail storage and slaps Nafallo with a cold, dead, wet fish. [17:17] lol [17:37] looks like listening on ip address doesn't work :/ [17:37] or... :) [17:39] For stuff I've modified to be postfix chroot friendly, I've used TCP sockets. Would that be an option with dovecot? [17:40] that's what i'm looking at [17:41] I did that for clamav-milter and dkim-milter. [17:55] no way to get dovecot listen on tcp port [17:56] ok, then binding during postfix startup is an option... [17:58] Im trying to set up a DNS server with the gutsy server cd and it doesnt seem to be working! I am however getting denied messages in the syslog [17:59] you have to configure it [17:59] im a newbie at dns but i noticed when i install bind9 in a desktop install it just works [17:59] i figured it would be the same way [18:00] I dont need to specify any domains I just need it to look them all up with other dns servers [18:00] I cannot get to a group of clients that were on an old web server box I had [18:00] so I just need it to very basically look up IP's [18:01] you need bind only if other machines are going to use that server for lookups [18:02] ah got it [18:03] if your server is the only one that needs to search for IPs [18:03] the IP's were being denied - its basically an open dns server now [18:03] right [18:03] but this is very temporary [18:03] so, awesome :) [18:03] i don't see why you would need DNS service [18:04] just add '192.168.0.1 my_server_1' to /etc/hosts [18:04] replace 192.168.0.1 with real IP [18:04] no no see [18:05] i took over this IT department and for some reason the old admin had dns on the webserver [18:05] ok [18:05] we switched the webserver to a new ISP last night and dns was on that box [18:05] so you don't have DNS anymore? [18:05] we set up apache to capture the web requests and to throw up a maintenance page [18:06] and the old admin had a group of people set up externally using that DNS [18:06] at another one of our businesses that we support [18:06] They just need DNS monday until we can get up there to change it [18:06] then you need bind [18:07] and you have to configure it [18:07] yeah [18:07] its done now [18:07] at least it appears to work :P [18:07] just had to allow anybody to access it (which is fine) [18:07] actually its cgillogly -- hes the one at work today.. im just trying to help him find answers [18:08] but it appears to work and im using it here from home [18:09] so, you are open dns for all domains now? :) [18:09] is that a problem? [18:11] well, anybody could ask your dns about any domain in the world [18:11] yeah [18:11] if you are ok with that... [18:11] until monday [18:11] i think the old one was like that anyhow :) [18:11] i keep my dns open only for domains it hosts [18:12] ah i see [18:12] there are two 'directions' in DNS [18:12] one is - world asking about your domain [18:12] and the other is - your domain is asking about world domains [18:12] yeah... [18:12] you need to enable whole world to resolv your hostnames [18:12] but not anything else [18:13] and then you have to enable your computers to use your DNS to resolve all domains in the world [18:13] hmm [18:13] look at your clients as your domain [18:13] ok [18:14] allow-query should be any [18:14] and allow-recursion should be only clients you trust [18:14] That one can be important. [18:15] I need to see if i even have the IP's for that business [18:15] hm [18:15] It actually might just be coming from one public IP [18:15] if they are on a dynamic IP, they you are doomed :) [18:16] theres one public and the internals are all dhcp [18:16] usual natted setup i believe [18:17] http://www.ip-plus.net/tools/dns_check_set.en.html [18:17] use this tool to check your DNS [18:17] your dns server should return results only for your domain [18:18] but, if you have client on a dynamic IP, you will have to provide access to all on allow-recursion [18:18] that's a bad thing, but hopefully till monday you won't have problems :D [18:18] lol [18:19] what could it enable someone to do? [18:19] hopefully nothing [18:19] im just trying to see why its so bad [18:19] like i said im a noob at dns :P [18:19] but you are providing usually private service to everybody [18:19] like opendns [18:19] :P [18:20] there are some open dns [18:20] right [18:20] thats fine though really [18:20] if someone really needs dns that bad they can use it lol [18:20] its only 2 t1's [18:50] xp box can access server with either server name or ip, but ubuntu box can only access it via ip. any thoughts? [19:32] atouk: is it part of an AD tree? [19:35] ?? [19:37] ubuntu server setup with fixed ip. i can put either ip or servername in address bar in xp and it finds it, but in ubuntu firefox,only ip will find it [19:39] G'day I have something weird going on, i am logged onto my server(ssh) and can ping my server but it cant ping anything or connect to the net [19:40] atouk: If it's in firefox, it's not a server question. Please ask in #ubuntu. [19:41] it's a new install (tonight) and have only installed ssh and samba [19:42] so it's a ff behaviour then [19:42] ok, that makes life easier [19:51]