[00:43] Fujitsu: I installed it, however I am not sure how to specify build options for gcc === stu2 is now known as stub === tonyy is now known as tonyyarusso [09:50] Hey folks [09:51] What's the easiest way for me to simply commit code to the BZR repo using KDE [09:51] I have tried olive, and it doesn't work [10:01] JordanC: Ha, I use GNOME and it doesn't work their either. [10:02] JordanC: I've just gone back to the command line. I'm use to SVN on the command line so it's not too bad for me. [10:03] Oops s/their/there/ ... I hate myself. [10:07] I've been told QBzr is good, but I'm yet to get it to work :D [10:07] This really is shambolic ;D [10:07] I like that word. Many a time in my life that I could've used that. [10:08] JordanC: Sorry, for being much help though. [10:08] JordanC: qbzr possibly [10:08] s/for/for not/ [10:09] It's getting late here and I had too much to drink today. [10:11] Yeah, that's not working either [10:11] JordanC: In what way is it 'not working'? [10:16] New bug: #173415 in launchpad "Please perform a massive tag purge for the Ubuntu project" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173415 [10:18] Odd_Bloke: It's just not running [10:18] Errors on installation [10:18] JordanC: How are you installing it? [10:20] Just using the install scripts [10:20] It's in py, so [10:20] See, here's the problem with QtBzr [10:20] OutFile "qbzr-setup-${PRODUCT_VERSION}.exe" <-- [10:20] It's windows only, it seems [10:21] JordanC: The Windows-only install scripts are, indeed, Windows-only. :p [10:21] You'll want https://launchpad.net/qbzr/trunk/0.7.1/+download/qbzr-0.7.1.tar.gz [10:22] And then use setup.py from there. [10:22] Alternatively, you could just branch https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~qbzr-dev/qbzr/trunk into ~/.bazaar/plugins/qbzr [10:23] I have that [10:24] Still, the setup file requires parameters to be run [10:25] JordanC: './setup.py install' will install it system-wide. [10:25] If you only want it for yourself, then branching into ~/.bazaar/plugins/qbzr is the better idea. [10:25] rofl .. more errors :D [10:26] Though you probably want to branch from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~qbzr-dev/qbzr/0.7.1 as that's stable. [10:27] JordanC: To clarify, you would run 'bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~qbzr-dev/qbzr/0.7.1 ~/.bazaar/plugins/qbzr'. [10:30] Okay, running [10:30] bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~qbzr-dev/qbzr/0.71/" [10:32] JordanC: 0.7.1, not 0.71. [10:32] Oops [10:32] :D [10:33] Yeah, the directory for ~./bazaar/ doesn't exist [10:33] JordanC: 'mkdir -p ~/.bazaar/plugins' [10:37] If it doesn't exist, though -- what exact purpose will this have? [10:37] Okay, it branched 165 revisions [10:38] JordanC: ~/.bazaar/plugins is where bzr looks for user-installed plugins. If you haven't installed any plugins just for yourself there, then there's obviously no reason for it to exist. [10:38] JordanC: Try using a QBzr command. [10:38] Right [10:39] Okay, so basically, this is going to launch a Qt window when I run commands? [10:39] Otherwise I may as well just use bzr on shell === kiko-zzz is now known as kiko [11:12] kiko: bug 173415 - can you have a word about this one ? [11:12] Launchpad bug 173415 in malone "Please perform a massive tag purge for the Ubuntu project" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173415 [11:12] Kmos, wow. who is requesting that? [11:12] RainCT [11:12] the proper solution is official bug tags, though [11:12] :) [11:12] heh [11:13] if you really wanna do that you'd need to go through the CC [11:13] kiko: and can't be cleaned up ? [11:13] kiko: you say that, when the last meeting was a few days ago.. :) [11:14] that's only because I love you Hobbsee [11:14] kiko: i think launchpad should have a system to clean them up after 1,2,3,[choose here] months.. [11:14] kiko: :) [11:14] lol [11:14] heh [11:14] well [11:14] instead of expiring old tags [11:14] what I think we should do [11:14] is emphasize official tags [11:14] and then you can have a process like we do in help.launchpad.net/TaggingLaunchpadBugs [11:15] that's what I think at least [11:15] * Hobbsee ponders how that would work in ubuntu [11:15] kiko: What's the point of having tags that are unofficial if you have 2000 of them? [11:15] (and why don't they vanish when they lose all references?) [11:15] Fujitsu++ [11:16] Fujitsu: they still have, but the number on the tags panel is "0" since this only counts open bugs [11:16] Fujitsu, because end-users can choose to tag based on what they want, and because you might want to experiment with new tags [11:16] the portlet is a mess, I concede too [11:16] RainCT: Ah, that could do it. [11:16] the portlet should list only official tags [11:16] with a link to something like a tag cloud [11:16] with all tags [11:16] kiko: i'd imagine you'd lose the tags after they had not been used in a set period of time. [11:16] A tag cloud of 2000 tags? Ew. [11:16] * RainCT tried removing a tag from a closed bug and the tag disappeared from the list [11:16] RainCT: Ahaa. [11:17] Presumably it excludes dupes too. [11:17] kiko: there are some legit tags. it appears that tags don't really fit the ubuntu workflow, excluding for a few teams. [11:17] tags only exist if bugs use them [11:17] yeah, but going thru the old closed bugs and removing all the tags would, frankly, suck. [11:18] best to just vanish the portlet, and let those who want to see tags, search for them :) [11:18] or at least, in ubuntu terms. [11:18] or just sanitize the way tags are done. [11:18] that's pretty much what I want to do [11:18] a) have official tags that are controlled by somebody [11:19] buildd.py gpac hardy retry [11:19] oops, wrong window. [11:19] irssi != console [11:19] b) only list official tags in the portlet, and show them in the +edit page for bugs so the personc an get it right [11:19] c) have a way of listing the 2000 tags somewhere else and less prominent (a tag cloud was my idea, but maybe you're right that 2k is crazy) [11:20] aww, fudge. [11:20] * Hobbsee modifies buildd.py more [11:20] * RainCT likes kiko's proposal but still thinks that removing those 1152 tags would be a good idea [11:20] +1 [11:20] :) [11:21] * Fujitsu thinks that the omg-let's-make-sure-they-really-want-to-assign-a-developer-to-a-bug click-click-click-more-clickness screens should be used for creating new tags, instead. [11:21] lol [11:21] kiko: in the ubuntu world, how would you make it official though? [11:21] Hobbsee: Get ubuntu-bugcontrol to click `make official.' [11:22] Fujitsu: *snort*. tell me, do you think that'll *stop* people assigning bugs to ubuntu-core-dev? [11:22] Hobbsee, you'd make some process to make them official. we decide them in a weekly meeting [11:22] * RainCT was about to suggest the same [11:22] is snorting good or bad [11:22] kiko: ubuntu has no global meetings. [11:22] kiko: it's amused snorting. [11:22] well, I'm sure you can find a convenient process [11:22] Fujitsu: to block on bugcontrol is bad. they're quite slow to act. [11:22] Hobbsee: We're all in bugcontrol.. [11:22] Fujitsu: and also, they speak for relatively few bug triagers (and no devs) [11:23] Fujitsu: i was meaning the admins. but, if any person in bugcontrol can create tags for ubuntu...that's not a bad idea... [11:23] bugcontrol is already used for bug permissions (ie. Importance) [11:23] Fujitsu: indeed, which is why i think your idea is brilliant. [11:24] Fujitsu: but you clearly haven't gotten annoyed enough with the clickity click behaviour of assigning devs to bugs yet. [11:24] Fujitsu: either that, or i haven't seen your screenscraping script to avoid it. [11:24] Fujitsu: come to think of it, even a greasemonkey script would do... [11:25] * Fujitsu has been working on already assigned bugs today, so hasn't hit it so much. [11:25] Should it really complain if one tries to assign oneself, anyway? [11:25] Fujitsu: it should be fairly simple - just redirect the first url to the real one, and skip the question url in the middle. [11:26] Fujitsu: if you create one send me a copy ;P [11:26] * Fujitsu hopes it will be fixed in the near future. [11:26] RainCT: there's a project for launchpad greasemonkey scripts anyway. [11:27] * Hobbsee should get mithrandir to add the rest of his in. [11:27] * Fujitsu likes the karma+emblems one. [11:27] kiko: right, so, the above solution sounds fairly sane. can we get the other (unused, in open bugs) ones removed, so we can start again? [11:27] btw, why can't packages on packages.ubuntu.com all have a nice file lists? :( [11:28] Fujitsu: i like that, and the stock responses ones. also, mithrandir's buildd sanity highscoring si nice, too [11:28] but buildd.py is nicer again :) [11:31] * Hobbsee sighs at launchpad. [11:31] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-gm-scripts/ubuntu has stopped filling in [11:31] pity. i liked being able to copy and paste [11:32] oh, hang on, it's the line below now [11:32] Hobbsee, sure we can -- does that mean you want to escalate RainCT's bug? [11:32] kiko: escalate to where? [11:34] to us [11:34] kiko: that would be nice, thanks [11:36] http://www.askmen.com/toys/top_10_200/235_top_10_list.html [11:36] Hobbsee: that's for you :) [11:38] uh...thanks? [11:38] don't needed [11:39] * Fujitsu admits to being thoroughly confused by that use of English. [11:39] Fujitsu: hehe [11:39] i'm assuming its' saying that i don't need to thank him [11:39] Ah, perhaps. [11:39] Hobbsee: exactly [11:40] it should be "don't need to" ? [11:40] no need to [11:40] Or `no need' [11:40] and WTF [11:40] :) [11:40] What kiko said, both times. [11:40] lol [11:40] the toys made me think "hmm office-safe or office-not" [11:41] kiko: Similar. [11:41] WHY THE HELL DID YOU PUT THAT UGLYASS KRISTEN HOLT ON THE MAIN BANNER IMAGE? SHE LOOKS HORRIBLE! Seriously, are you g.ay? [11:41] ! [11:41] Capital kiko! Oooh, that's a first. [11:42] ok. I think I should invest this precious sunday time in working and not burn it on random irc chat [11:42] "Joanna, fire." [11:42] Hah. [11:43] * RainCT asks how to install a greasemonkey script [11:44] RainCT: If you're using Epiphany, drop it in ~/.gnome2/epiphany/extensions/data/greasemonkey. If you're using Firefox, well, I have no idea. [11:44] install greasemonkey, click on the url of the script you want to run, hti "install script" on the dialog box. [11:45] That would probably work too. [11:46] thanks :) [11:48] uh.. and how does this work now? :P [11:48] RainCT: Which one did you install? [11:48] lp_stockreplies.user.js [11:48] Ah, if you go to a bug and try to edit a section, their should be extra clicky things. [11:48] s/their/there/. Urgh. [11:52] oh ok. cool :) === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee [13:35] okay this is probably asked very often by different people, but I need to do some reoganization on my project's page [13:35] the Evad project: [13:35] etnoy, what sort of reorg? [13:36] I want to move two releases to another series, and delete a release that got an incorrect number [13:36] releases 0.0.1 and 0.0.2 need to be moved from "trunk" to "development" [13:36] the 0.01 release should be deleted [13:36] the 0.01 and pre-0.01 series should be deleted [13:37] the 0.1-alpha1 milestones should be deleted from trunk [13:37] that's it as far as I can see now [13:37] it is quite frustrating when I cannot undo the mistakes I have made [13:38] etnoy, just request this to be done via the support url in the topic. [13:38] okay [13:38] that's a bug that needs fixing, btw [13:38] it's reported [13:38] okay, great. I thought that it was a design issue :) [13:57] Hello... I am trying to import the bzr .mo file for translations, but roseta keeps giving me an error email [14:03] .mo or .po? [14:09] kiko: when will the new @ubuntu.com adresses be created? [14:11] RainCT, which new addresses? [14:11] membership [14:11] kiko: for the new members [14:14] I don't really know; the addresses are maintained by sysadmins, not us [14:14] RainCT: what's your LP ID, and what are you using to test if the account is active? [14:15] Hobbsee: rainct. I'm trying to mail rainct@ubuntu.com but don't receive anything [14:15] RainCT: are you using gmail to do it? [14:15] check it out on #canonical-sysadmin? [14:16] Hobbsee: yes. is evil gmail hidding them? [14:16] Hobbsee: ok, it seems it is :P [14:17] thx [14:17] yes [14:17] gmail does that. [14:17] kiko: i'ts usually user error. or gmail error. [14:18] Hobbsee, what does gmail do? [14:18] * RainCT thinks GMail is evil [14:18] kiko: it thinks mailing yourself is spam, so either sends it to the spam folder, or doesn't send it at all. i don't remember which [14:19] Hobbsee: really? I thought it just hiddes it since it's the same message.. [14:19] RainCT: istr it's a spam thing [14:19] they didn't used to do it [14:19] back when i got mine, it was fine [14:20] btw, it isn't possible to change the name@ without renaming the LP account, or? [14:21] * RainCT would prefer sgevatter@ubuntu.com like with his ubuntu.cat adress, but prefers to continue being ~rainct on LP [14:21] RainCT: i assume kiko can answer that [14:21] * Hobbsee is no launcphad person [14:22] RainCT, I think that's no dice, unfortunately [14:22] RainCT, but you could talk to the sysadmins [14:22] * Hobbsee thought that some people had requested theirs to be changed [14:22] on lp answer [14:22] s [14:24] their launchpad names as well I believe [14:24] but IMBW as I really Just Work Here [14:24] kiko: IMBW? [14:25] I May Be Wrong [14:25] ahh [14:25] I guess that could be the acronym of my life [14:25] kiko_imbw [14:26] hehe [14:26] thanks kiko, Hobbsee [14:26] you're welcome [14:36] kiko, sorry for the late... its a .mo file... [14:36] same happens with.po files [14:36] santiago-ve, what sort of error do you get back? [14:39] it justs says it cant process it [14:40] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/2420/ [14:44] santiago-ve, sounds like a bug. can you ask for support via the /topic URL? === santiago-ve changed the topic of #launchpad to: url === santiago-ve changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net/ | Next developer meeting: Thu 29 Nov 2007, 1400UTC | List: launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | Help: https://help.launchpad.net | Channel logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | Join the beta team: https://help.launchpad.net/JoiningLaunchpadBetaTesters [14:46] maky [14:48] heh [14:48] https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad [14:48] ty [14:48] :) [14:48] im such a noob on irc sometimes :p [16:19] im trying to translate a template. I has 4 messages that are differend from the packaged ones. But the translation statistics show also 4 messages as Untranslated, which is not the case. See here: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/shotserver/ === kiko is now known as kiko-afk [16:24] alefteris, our statistics are a bit broken IIRC. can you ask again tomorrow? [16:25] ok, thanks for the answer === mwhudson_ is now known as mwhudson [18:35] hy. could anyone tell me how long it usually takes for a translation file upload to be reviewed ? I have some files for about 10 days waiting aproval / rejection... [18:38] is it a new project? [18:39] jordi: it is now as i understand subsequent uploads don't need a human aproval (https://translations.launchpad.net/netbeans/+imports) [18:39] yes [18:40] is this netbeans as in the Java Netbeans? [18:40] yes. [18:40] wow [18:41] jordi: I'm just trying to use it for alternative languages. maybe convince other existing teams to migrate. [18:41] are you affiliated with its development? I guess you know we can only import templates if the authors are informed and agree to use LP Translations [18:41] hmm. [18:42] jordi: I told them about the usage of launchpad since March and they wanted to see the results. [18:42] Then I suggest you mail rosetta@launchpad.net about this case. I have access to do the import, but I'm not sure about this case, so better if Danilo or Jeroen answer this one. [18:42] "they" is Sun? [18:42] jordi: the translation mailing list (with sun people) [18:43] aha [18:43] I see some files are named en.pot, others en.po [18:43] you probably want to normalise that in the future [18:43] what do you mean ? [18:44] templates (what you are uploading) normally use .pot [18:44] the .po are basically generated from .properties files. [18:44] but some of your uploaded files use .po, not .pot [18:44] eyah [18:44] if they are empty templates they should be .pot, not .po [18:44] and the .pot are the same .po without the translation (only the "keys") [18:45] oh [18:45] they are postprocesed .po files basically. [18:45] er, but, do en.po files have any translation? [18:45] as I don't actually have a .pot to begin with, only java .properties file. [18:45] or just the msgids? [18:45] yes, the english strings. [18:45] in msgid or msgstr? [18:45] in .pot only the ids, empty strings for translation. [18:45] in .po, the ids and english strings. [18:45] ah, I see [18:46] sorry, I thought you were using en.po and en.pot alternatively [18:46] ok, in any case, I can mail our list and see if tomorrow someone can have a look. [18:46] I'll add a log of this conversation. [18:47] i've talked before on this irc channel with someone from canonical (I assume) before re-posting those files. [18:48] oh [18:48] when was this? [18:48] I don't actually mind waiting, I'm just curios *how long* [18:48] how long normally depends on the workload [18:48] i think on the 21st or 20, the day before uploading. [18:48] they just did a big rollout of new features, that probably kept them busy. [18:48] good [18:49] the point is that at least in my case I'll use launchpad or nothing at all :) [18:49] i don't feel like carrying files with me to do the translation, I need something web-based. [18:50] (and writing my own would take a while ;) ). [18:50] *nod* [18:50] ok then, maybe I'll bother you guys again in the next week(s). [18:50] I just sent the email. [18:51] good bye. [18:51] bye! [19:19] Where can I export the information about the members of a team I am an admin of? This bug refers to that capability, but I can't find it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/39260 [19:19] Launchpad bug 39260 in launchpad "Extract team members' email addresses" [Medium,Confirmed] [19:20] (the last comment says I can export the info in rdf) === tonyy is now known as tonyyarusso [20:34] greg-g, give me a team URL [20:34] https://edge.launchpad.net/~registry/+rdf [20:34] greg-g, just tack on /+rdf to any team url. [20:40] kiko-afk: thanks [20:44] hi kiko-afk [21:20] I want to delete a branch that we aren't going to use anymore, at https://code.launchpad.net/~phpns-team/phpns/devel . For some reason, there is no option for 'delete branch' anywhere. Can anyone help? [21:32] I want to delete a branch that we aren't going to use anymore, at https://code.launchpad.net/~phpns-team/phpns/devel . For some reason, there is no option for 'delete branch' anywhere. Can anyone help? [21:36] alecwh: hi [21:36] alecwh: branches are deletable with certain caveats [21:36] alecwh: there has to be no subscribers [21:36] alecwh: and not linked to bugs or blueprints [21:39] thumper: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecwh/phpns/devel [21:39] there are no subscribers now, I don't see any other caveats that would prevent deletion, do you? [21:40] alecwh: no [21:40] alecwh: what do you see in the actions on the left hand side? [21:40] thumper: nevermind, there is a delete option now. =) [21:40] alecwh: the delete should be there [21:40] alecwh: ah, good [21:40] thumper: yeah, thanks, appreciate your help! [21:40] np [21:40] thumper: Is there any way to show a SVN repository in the "code" section? [21:41] alecwh: you can request an import from SVN into a bazaar branch [21:41] would it do it automatically, or would I have to do it myself? [21:46] alecwh: If you specify SVN details on the project right now it will trigger an import [21:46] alecwh: in the near future there will be a separate way to request an import [21:46] * thumper dashing out for while [21:47] ok, really fast, where can I request an import? [22:18] alecwh: right now you enter the SVN details on the product series page [22:19] thumper: project series page? Sorry, I'm new to launchpad. [22:20] alecwh: ok, which project? [22:21] the project is 'phpns' [22:21] http://launchpad.net/phpns [22:21] alecwh: ok, so the main series for the phpns project is called trunk [22:22] so the series page is http://launchpad.net/phpns/trunk [22:22] thumper: that's actually not our SVN repository, that's a bazaar repo that we're going to abandon/delete. [22:22] alecwh: on that page there is a link in the actions area called 'Edit source' [22:23] alecwh: trunk is the main development focus series, and doesn't have anything to do with a bazaar repo [22:23] ok [22:23] oh good, sourceforge [22:23] imports from there usually work :) === mwhudson_ is now known as mwhudson [22:23] actually, we're at gna.org [22:23] gna? [22:23] http://gna.org [22:24] alecwh: anyway, in the edit source page you can specify the SVN details [22:24] yes [22:24] alecwh: then ask a question on the launchpad-bazaar project to request testing of the import [22:25] http://svn.gna.org/svn/phpns/trunk phpns [22:25] that's our current svn [22:25] alecwh: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+addquestion [22:25] New bug: #173527 in rosetta "Untranslated string statistics are incorrect for some packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173527 [22:25] in the edit source page [22:26] would I put http://svn.gna.org/svn/phpns/ ? [22:26] Check the SVN radio button [22:27] Subversion, yes [22:27] then paste the svn location into the Branch field next to it [22:27] alecwh: put the address of the branch [22:27] i.e. with trunk [22:27] http://svn.gna.org/svn/phpns/trunk [22:27] so, that? [22:27] right [22:27] ok. [22:27] mwhudson: howdy [22:28] ok, done. [22:28] Subversion: http://svn.gna.org/svn/phpns/trunk Import status: Testing [22:28] thumper: hello [22:28] now, I have to report a bug? [22:28] or ask a question [22:29] alecwh: ask a question [22:29] ok [22:29] i've started the import [22:30] What do I type in the question box? [22:30] it can take anything from a few minutes to several days for the first import :) [22:30] summery* [22:30] alecwh: "please let me know when the initial phphns import completes" [22:30] and in the description? [22:31] alecwh: doesn't really matter [22:31] alecwh: the person who will deal with the question is me, and i'll remember this conversation :) [22:31] cool. =) [22:32] https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+question/19197 [22:32] alecwh: ta [22:33] ta? [22:33] alecwh: short for thanks [22:34] oh. =D [22:34] Thanks a lot, I'll be in the IRC if I missed something you need, thanks again. [22:36] New bug: #173530 in rosetta "Obsolete strings at the top of exported files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173530 [22:38] thumper: https://launchpad.net/phpns/trunk [22:38] It says: Online [22:38] Last imported: six minutes ago [22:38] alecwh: yeah, it imported really quickly https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/phpns/trunk [22:39] =D [22:40] thanks a lot mwhudson. [22:40] np [22:40] time for bed [22:55] New bug: #173537 in rosetta "Failed imports, no notification about the reason" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173537