| h3sp4wn | infinitycircuit: The hpet ones are not that important to me (got a working bios for that eventually after much proding of gigabyte) | 00:03 |
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| infinitycircuit | h3sp4wn, yeah it all depends on your hardware. the hpet patches give me huge power savings on my thinkpad x40 | 00:04 |
| h3sp4wn | infinitycircuit: interesting I did notice on my thinkpad X31 that the fan works properly with 2.6.24 | 00:05 |
| h3sp4wn | i.e not just on all the time when it doesn't need to be | 00:06 |
| DanaG | wtf? Choosing a theme doesn't change my metacity theme. | 00:21 |
| DanaG | I select any theme, and it immediately jumps to "custom" because it's not using the right Metacity theme. | 00:22 |
| brianski | !roadmap | 00:43 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about roadmap - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 00:43 |
| brianski | hrm | 00:43 |
| WorkingOnWise | !kernel | 00:43 |
| ubotu | The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages | 00:43 |
| brianski | !hardy | 00:45 |
| ubotu | Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu | 00:45 |
| h3sp4wn | !msg the bot | 00:48 |
| ubotu | Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. | 00:48 |
| brianski | yeah, clearly my 2 queries really messed up the roaring flow of conversation in this channel | 00:49 |
| WorkingOnWise | So I see that Hardy is using 2.6.22 for a kernel. Is that right? The same kernel as Gutsy? | 00:50 |
| crimsun | WorkingOnWise: that is correct currently. It will release with a 2.6.24-based one. | 00:50 |
| WorkingOnWise | crimsun: ok. I was mildly concerned that my upgrade didn't go as smooth as I thought. | 00:51 |
| DanaG | I also can't seem to drag from File-roller to Nautilus. | 00:51 |
| crimsun | WorkingOnWise: it was decided at UDS-Boston that a reasonable attempt to ship 8.04 with a 2.6.24-based one would be made. Obviously, since 2.6.24 has not been released yet, 8.04 continues to use 7.10's 2.6.22-based one. | 00:53 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, that reminds me: | 00:56 |
| DanaG | A friend asked me about something to do with "No high-resolution timers available" in some audio app. | 00:56 |
| WorkingOnWise | crimsun: ty. | 00:56 |
| DanaG | It turns out, Dell apparently either is missing, or deliberately broke, HPET in their BIOS. | 00:56 |
| DanaG | Is there any way to work around that? | 00:56 |
| h3sp4wn | perhaps just use 2.6.24 | 00:57 |
| WorkingOnWise | DanaG: lt is probably Audacity. I know nothing else about it, bit I have seen the same error. | 00:57 |
| h3sp4wn | or use the patches - http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tglx/hrtimers/ (I think they have the hpet series enabled that went into 2.6.24) | 00:58 |
| h3sp4wn | Infact I don't think I know they do | 00:58 |
| DanaG | Oops, you lost some punctuation, and that made that sentence a bit ambiguous. | 00:59 |
| crimsun | insert the comma proceeding the 'k' | 01:00 |
| crimsun | or the semicolon if you wish to be pedantic | 01:00 |
| DanaG | aah. | 01:01 |
| infinitycircuit | DanaG, make sure you boot with hpet=force if dmesg| grep hpet fails to show anything | 01:01 |
| DanaG | Well, it's not my PC, so I'll have to remember it for next time I see that person. | 01:02 |
| crimsun | cfs 24 for 24-rc3 seems pretty nice | 01:03 |
| DanaG | It's funny -- I tried 'osx86' on my laptop, and while it worked reasonably well, I concluded I have no real reason to actually use it. Ubuntu works more than well enough for me -- and it's more customizable. | 01:04 |
| DanaG | I realized that for some reason, I find it FUN fixing things when they break. | 01:05 |
| DanaG | Or abusing things to see if they WILL break -- for example, setting window transitions to slow 'dodge' and clicking back and forth between windows makes compiz-fusion hard-lock. | 01:05 |
| h3sp4wn | infinitycircuit: are you using the latest thinkpad-acpi ? | 01:06 |
| h3sp4wn | I am not sure whether to bother sourcing a usb floppy drive to update the bios on mine (apparantly I don't need to if I use that something to do with NVRAM) | 01:07 |
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| PirateHead | The home of X breakage? Maybe I don't want to try out the alpha after all. :-\ | 01:44 |
| gsker | Here goes nothing! :-) | 02:04 |
| h3sp4wn | gsker: Thats probably how you will feel later | 02:04 |
| * gsker ponders that | 02:06 | |
| gsker | I wonder how long this will take...... | 02:09 |
| Hobbsee | a while. | 02:10 |
| gsker | give or take? :-) | 02:10 |
| gsker | Done getting.... unpacking .... installing.... | 02:10 |
| h3sp4wn | gsker: Obviously it depends on the connection it didn't take long at all for me | 02:14 |
| h3sp4wn | perhaps if there is tons of people upgrading right now it will take longer | 02:14 |
| gsker | well since I got it all, it doesn't depend on the connection any more.... | 02:14 |
| h3sp4wn | I don't remember it taking a noticable amount of time | 02:15 |
| gsker | :-) Noticeable? you like, blinked and it was done!??? | 02:15 |
| DanaG | I usually have two mirrors. | 02:15 |
| DanaG | A fast, local, but often out-of-date mirror, and the official US mirror. | 02:16 |
| DanaG | Put the faster one above the other in sources.list, and it'll be preferred for any packages not out of date. | 02:16 |
| h3sp4wn | gsker: perhaps I was not paying attention (probably so) | 02:16 |
| DanaG | I use mirrors.kernel.org. | 02:16 |
| gsker | I just followed the 3 lines of instruction from linuxjournal. | 02:17 |
| gsker | sudo sed -i "s/gutsy/hardy/g" /etc/apt/sources.list;sudo aptitude update;sudo aptitude dist-upgrade | 02:18 |
| h3sp4wn | I used perl -pi but other than that the same | 02:18 |
| dick-richardson | is kde 4.0 planned to be released with hardy? | 03:02 |
| hashbrowncipher | dick-richardson: it appears so, see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-hardy-kde4 | 03:05 |
| hydrogen | not as the default desktop | 03:29 |
| hydrogen | however | 03:29 |
| gsker | Well, I had to blink a coupla times, but it's there! | 04:03 |
| infinitycircuit | is anyone else having trouble with brightness control in hardy? | 04:11 |
| infinitycircuit | my laptop screen reverts to maximum brightness every minute even if i bring it down with the keyboard keys | 04:12 |
| * Hobbsee supsects that's laptop specific | 04:20 | |
| RAOF | infinitycircuit: I think that may be a g-p-m bug - maybe if you have "dim when idle" set, then the brightness level that gets triggered by the dim is the default brightness - some number, rather than current brightness - some number. | 04:23 |
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| choudesh | is the new kernel in the repos yet? | 06:03 |
| choudesh | for hardy that is | 06:03 |
| Hobbsee | no | 06:03 |
| choudesh | ahh, ok. | 06:03 |
| pwnguin | where's the best avenue to hunt down developers who can fix SD readers? | 06:04 |
| Hobbsee | depends how they're broken, i expect, but driver developers, i guess... | 06:06 |
| pwnguin | it worked with like .17, but hasnt since | 06:12 |
| choudesh | if there way to blacklist a package from a certain repository? say if I wanted to download update-manager from a different repo then ubuntu's and not use priorityies - is there a way to do it? | 06:59 |
| choudesh | say to use packages from gutsy instead of hardy | 06:59 |
| chowmeined | choudesh, preferences | 07:03 |
| chowmeined | chowmeined, man apt_preferences | 07:03 |
| DanaG | Odd: trying to add wallpapers to the list doesn't work. | 07:41 |
| chronographer | what repositories do I use and is Hardy going to break for me? | 08:06 |
| chronographer | I'm going to update without checking what is to be updated | 08:06 |
| choudesh | anyone having issues with hardy + azureus? | 09:09 |
| RAOF | jdong will be most upset :) | 09:10 |
| RAOF | choudesh: What sort of issues? | 09:11 |
| * RAOF doesn't, of course, because he uses either deluge or transmission. | 09:11 | |
| choudesh | #19 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.03/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so [0x620bc6d] | 09:11 |
| choudesh | java: xcb_xlib.c:82: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed. | 09:11 |
| RAOF | Babaw! | 09:11 |
| RAOF | Use icedtea-java7 | 09:11 |
| RAOF | All the other sun java vms are broken. | 09:11 |
| RAOF | (And have been forever, it's just that Xorg didn't care so much before) | 09:12 |
| choudesh | what is the package name? | 09:12 |
| RAOF | icedtea-java7, I think :) | 09:12 |
| RAOF | !find icedtea hardy | 09:12 |
| ubotu | Found: icedtea-java7-bin, icedtea-java7-demo, icedtea-java7-doc, icedtea-java7-jdk, icedtea-java7-jre (and 2 others) | 09:12 |
| choudesh | icedtea-java7-sdk and jre | 09:12 |
| choudesh | I apt-cached it. ;-) | 09:12 |
| choudesh | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 09:13 |
| choudesh | icedtea-java7-jre: Depends: icedtea-java7-bin (>= 7~b21) but it is not going to be installed | 09:13 |
| choudesh | I love being an early adopter. ;-) | 09:13 |
| RAOF | Technically, the problem is that all the sun JRE's have some Xlib stuff, built without threading support, statically linked in. Since absolutely everyone has Xlib built with threading enabled, this is a problem :) | 09:13 |
| choudesh | ahhhh. I see. | 09:14 |
| RAOF | choudesh: Hm. Aptitude *may* be able to find some way to install it. | 09:14 |
| choudesh | damn libgif4 has a done of depends. | 09:14 |
| RAOF | Yup, indeed. | 09:14 |
| choudesh | I just have a script that looks at depends and starts at the beginning. | 09:15 |
| RAOF | Oh, if you really can't install icedtea, I think you can work around this with an evil, evil hack. | 09:15 |
| RAOF | Basically by sedding out the XINERAMA string from the java VM binary. | 09:15 |
| choudesh | Need to get 36.9kB of archives. | 09:15 |
| choudesh | After unpacking 154MB disk space will be freed. | 09:15 |
| choudesh | that is odd | 09:15 |
| RAOF | WHat's it removing? | 09:15 |
| choudesh | kde4base kde4libs-bin kdelibs5 kdepimlibs5 libgdiplus | 09:16 |
| choudesh | libmono-winforms2.0-cil libungif4g monodevelop | 09:16 |
| RAOF | Heh. kde4base is big :) | 09:17 |
| choudesh | yea... I missed that one when I looked. I was like, holy **** | 09:17 |
| RAOF | This may be a good time to check out various other bittorrent clients, though :) | 09:17 |
| RAOF | Either deluge-torrent or (maybe) transmission would be worth a look. | 09:18 |
| choudesh | heh. I have deluged installed - but I love azureus...it is heavy but I just love some of the plugins | 09:18 |
| choudesh | does icedtea-java7-jre update java-alternatives? | 09:18 |
| RAOF | Probably not. | 09:18 |
| RAOF | I'm not sure. It'd be a good plan to check :) | 09:19 |
| choudesh | root@duo:/home/choudesh/.azureus# java -version | 09:19 |
| choudesh | java version "1.7.0" | 09:19 |
| choudesh | IcedTea Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0-b23) | 09:19 |
| choudesh | IcedTea Client VM (build 1.7.0-b23, mixed mode, sharing) | 09:19 |
| choudesh | it does. ;-) | 09:19 |
| RAOF | Score. | 09:19 |
| RAOF | Now, does azureus run under icedtea? :) | 09:19 |
| choudesh | yeppers | 09:19 |
| choudesh | thanks for your help | 09:19 |
| RAOF | NP. | 09:19 |
| RAOF | (Let this be a lesson: static linkind FTL!) | 09:20 |
| choudesh | heh | 09:20 |
| RAOF | s/d/g/ | 09:20 |
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| === compwiz is now known as compwiz18 | ||
| === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee | ||
| Richie | Hi, for some reason my sound will stop working after a couple of hours. I go System > Preferences > Sound and when i hit Test i get this: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Internal data flow error. | 15:00 |
| Richie | Any ideas on how to fix? | 15:01 |
| bardyr | !info linux-image-generic hardy | 15:23 |
| ubotu | linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22.14.21 (hardy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB | 15:23 |
| bardyr | :( | 15:23 |
| bardyr | 2.6.24-rc has been accepted and even after the alpha1 release isnt out :( | 15:24 |
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| === Sebast1an is now known as Sebastian | ||
| hetauma | when I try to use vncviewer I can't type in password. I know that this is due to compiz but is there any workaround that ? | 17:03 |
| h3sp4wn | hetauma: disable compiz | 17:03 |
| hetauma | h3sp4wn, apart from that? | 17:04 |
| stdin | hetauma: I don't use compiz but I've heard shift+click may work | 17:15 |
| hetauma | stdin, worked fine thanx alot :D | 17:19 |
| stdin | heh, reading blogs can actually be useful sometimes :p | 17:20 |
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| === ktogias is now known as _ktogias | ||
| === jussi__ is now known as jussi01 | ||
| yogi | what do I need to do get intel wireless (thinkpad t60) run with the hardy kernel? | 19:17 |
| yogi | I'm using gutsy as base, but I would like to use 2.6.24 for the power savings (on AMD64) | 19:17 |
| void^ | 2.6.24 isn't released, yet | 19:21 |
| yogi | void^: IK; I am using linux for 12 years... | 19:21 |
| yogi | I'm just not clear on the whole /lib/firmware thing | 19:22 |
| yogi | and what ucode goes with what version | 19:22 |
| yogi | especially since the intel wireless code changed from .22 to .24 | 19:22 |
| crdlb | gutsy + hardy kernel isn't supported at all (not even here) | 19:22 |
| [ifr0g] | I heard CNR will come with hardy, is the rumor true ? | 19:23 |
| yogi | crdlb: define 'supported' | 19:23 |
| h3sp4wn | crdlb: There is not a massive difference between the 2 at the moment that I can see - gutsy with a custom kernel should be supported | 19:24 |
| crdlb | I'm not saying it won't work | 19:24 |
| yogi | crdlb: does that mean 'does not run at all' or does it mean 'you cannot pay anybody to fix it for you' | 19:24 |
| yogi | crdlb: I'm not interested in the second answer... | 19:24 |
| crdlb | I'm saying that this channel is for people actually running hardy :) | 19:24 |
| yogi | are you running hardy on a laptop ATM? | 19:25 |
| crdlb | nope | 19:25 |
| h3sp4wn | Theoretically - I am running hardy on a thinkpad X31 | 19:25 |
| yogi | I have built the kernel from the sources in http://ftp.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/ | 19:26 |
| yogi | since I could not find linux-image and linux-modules packages in the pool | 19:26 |
| yogi | the kernel package installed fine, everything works, except the wireless | 19:26 |
| yogi | I have copied ipw3945.ucode iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode from 2.6.22-14-generic to 2.6.24-1-generic/ | 19:27 |
| yogi | and I'm getting a 'wlan0_rename' interface | 19:27 |
| yogi | does NetworkManager need a bump? | 19:28 |
| h3sp4wn | I doubt it | 19:28 |
| h3sp4wn | Just use http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/iwlwifi/downloads/iwlwifi-1.2.22.tgz | 19:29 |
| yogi | h3sp4wn: isn't that (or something really close to it) already part of the linux kernel? | 19:32 |
| h3sp4wn | Maybe - with wireless I usually just use whatevers the newest stable release | 19:33 |
| h3sp4wn | I haven't messed with mac80211 for a client though - I think its still compatible with wext | 19:34 |
| h3sp4wn | But I know for hostapd you need the devicescape driver | 19:34 |
| === tonyy is now known as tonyyarusso | ||
| h3sp4wn | Does ubuntu mobile support the eepc ? | 20:24 |
| pwnguin | h3sp4wn: i think it targets a different set of devices. you can probably wedge normal ubuntu on it though | 20:58 |
| h3sp4wn | pwnguin: I want to play with it but I dunno what devices I can get (for not a silly amount of money a $1000 dev board is too much) | 21:00 |
| h3sp4wn | They are both x86 the one it does support and the eepc | 21:01 |
| pwnguin | what i mean is that they're after a smaller touchscreen type device | 21:02 |
| pwnguin | you should be able to use a chroot and xephyr to get an idea | 21:03 |
| underwatercow | I upgraded to hardy, and now my sound isn't working... is it likely this is related? | 21:12 |
| crimsun | related to what? | 21:13 |
| crimsun | your dist-upgrade? Unlikely. | 21:13 |
| crimsun | We're still using the same kernel. | 21:13 |
| crimsun | note: I'm not referring to "some random mixer element is muted" but to "sound driver is broken completely" | 21:14 |
| crimsun | I'm not concerned about the former; the latter is significant. | 21:14 |
| underwatercow | I got a new card recently, but it was working... so it's possible it's still just related to my still not having it working right | 21:14 |
| underwatercow | the gnome mixer shows the right card and that sound is working and everything, but the alsamixer is showing my onboard card... could this be why? | 21:15 |
| crimsun | underwatercow: no, that's irrelevant. | 21:16 |
| underwatercow | I still think that the dist-upgrade had something to do with it somehow... | 21:17 |
| underwatercow | though I know it shouldn't have | 21:17 |
| crimsun | underwatercow: download http://trilug.org/~crimsun/alsa-info.sh, run it using bash, and tell me the url. | 21:17 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: does it need su? | 21:19 |
| crimsun | no. | 21:19 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: still running... :-p | 21:21 |
| crimsun | wait a tic; it may take a bit. | 21:21 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: who wrote this script? | 21:22 |
| crimsun | underwatercow: members of #alsa | 21:22 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: ah, nifty | 21:22 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: um.... it says Your ALSA information is located at | 21:25 |
| underwatercow | Please inform the person helping you. | 21:25 |
| crimsun | underwatercow: ok, then your connection to pastebin.ca is fubar | 21:26 |
| crimsun | underwatercow: instead, pass the --debug option | 21:26 |
| crimsun | underwatercow: it will place an alsa dump text file in /tmp/ | 21:26 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: want me to paste it manually to pastebin? | 21:27 |
| crimsun | underwatercow: yes | 21:27 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: now it has to run again.... *sigh* :-p | 21:27 |
| crimsun | there's a no-upload option, too. | 21:27 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: that's a good call | 21:28 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: which pastebin would you like me to use? or does it matter? | 21:33 |
| crimsun | doesn't really matter. | 21:34 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: http://pastebin.com/d4f41fdb9 | 21:35 |
| crimsun | (ok, sec, on the phone.) | 21:35 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: sure | 21:35 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: fyi, the Intel is my onboard that I don't want to use | 21:36 |
| crimsun | hmm. | 21:39 |
| crimsun | you seem to have compiled 1.0.15 manually. | 21:39 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: I was trying to, lol... don't know if I did it right | 21:40 |
| crimsun | (we ship -driver with 1.0.14 by default and 1.0.15rc3 in linux-backports-modules) | 21:40 |
| crimsun | (we also don't ship libasound2-dev by default, which would be required for the script to pick up the lib version) | 21:40 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: I'm not partial to 1.0.15 for any reason... I just want my sound working | 21:40 |
| crimsun | well, it's good to be running 1.0.15 -driver and -lib, but note that you've messed with the Ubuntu infrastructure | 21:41 |
| crimsun | I recommend at some point you do a clean install of a Hardy Alpha | 21:41 |
| crimsun | anyhow, let me look more closely | 21:41 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: will hardy include 1.015 at some point? | 21:41 |
| crimsun | underwatercow: I've already uploaded 1.0.15 | 21:42 |
| underwatercow | lol | 21:42 |
| crimsun | the version that ships in the kernel, however, is still 1.0.14. It uses Gutsy's kernel. | 21:42 |
| underwatercow | gotcha... | 21:43 |
| crimsun | well, this problem is fairly straightforward. | 21:43 |
| crimsun | Your asoundrc references your onboard HDA, which is index 0. | 21:43 |
| crimsun | your ice17xx-based card is not index 0 but index 1 | 21:43 |
| underwatercow | oh.... the asoundrc was one I got online... do I need it even? | 21:43 |
| crimsun | you may need it for non-GSt-aware apps. | 21:44 |
| underwatercow | the reason I got it was I was trying to make my surround sound work, which I may have without it | 21:44 |
| crimsun | I'd mv ~/.asoundrc ~/.asoundrc.bak | 21:44 |
| underwatercow | it* | 21:44 |
| crimsun | then `asoundconf set-default-card Revolution51` | 21:44 |
| crimsun | then log out and back in | 21:44 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: thanks, I'll brb | 21:45 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: Ok... I have sound now, though I had to do a full restart. It didn't seem to want to fully load gnome from a logout | 21:52 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: I don't have surround now though | 21:52 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: I also got a popup that says "Refresh Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) configuration presets" | 21:53 |
| crimsun | yes, that's correct. | 21:53 |
| crimsun | can you use -Dplug:surroundXX ? | 21:53 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: I don't know? | 21:53 |
| crimsun | asoundconf list | 21:54 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: it says Revolution51 and Intel? | 21:54 |
| crimsun | I need the specific order | 21:54 |
| underwatercow | that order | 21:54 |
| crimsun | ok, so test plug:surround51:0 | 21:55 |
| crimsun | use a multichannel file as appropriate | 21:55 |
| crimsun | or use speaker-test(1) | 21:55 |
| crimsun | speaker-test -c6 -Dplug:surround51:0 | 21:55 |
| underwatercow | the first did nothing, the last... | 21:56 |
| underwatercow | Unable to set sw params for playback: Invalid argument | 21:56 |
| underwatercow | Setting of swparams failed: Invalid argument | 21:56 |
| crimsun | remove the :0 | 21:57 |
| underwatercow | same | 21:58 |
| crimsun | probably hitching on S32_LE, then | 21:58 |
| underwatercow | what is that? | 21:58 |
| crimsun | it's the format that your driver requires | 21:58 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: should I use the .asoundrc with the correct sound device? or should I be able to get it working without? | 22:00 |
| crimsun | sure, you can erase ~/.asoundrc and ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf | 22:00 |
| crimsun | and mv ~/.asoundrc.bak ~/.asoundrc | 22:00 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: so do I still need to change to hardware 1? or did making it default do that? | 22:02 |
| underwatercow | make it 0 that is | 22:03 |
| crimsun | you can leave it 0, since the ice17xx-based one is currently index 0 | 22:03 |
| underwatercow | aight... is it enough to restart alsa-utils? or should I log out? | 22:03 |
| crimsun | I would also use the slots parameter for snd to force the driver to always load as index 0 | 22:04 |
| underwatercow | what do you mean? | 22:04 |
| crimsun | echo options snd slots=snd-ice1724,snd-hda-intel |sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base | 22:05 |
| underwatercow | ok, done | 22:07 |
| crimsun | yeah, you'll likely need to log out and back in for the asoundrc change | 22:07 |
| crimsun | (to be safe, at least) | 22:07 |
| crimsun | without knowing what you have running, that's the safest guess | 22:07 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: very little at the moment, but I'll log out | 22:08 |
| underwatercow | brb again | 22:08 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: ok, has surround now :-p | 22:16 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: is it just duplicating the front to the back? | 22:16 |
| crimsun | underwatercow: well, yes, that's what your asoundrc specifies. | 22:17 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: is that the only way I can do it? or can I have genuine surround sound? lol | 22:17 |
| crimsun | genuine? | 22:19 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: different channels I guess for the rear speakers? | 22:19 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: so you can have different sound in the front than in the back | 22:19 |
| crimsun | if the app sets the appropriate parameters via alsa-lib, of course you can have "genuine" surround | 22:19 |
| crimsun | e.g., xine-lib, GSt, etc. | 22:19 |
| crimsun | mplayer, too | 22:19 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: even with the back duplicating the front? | 22:20 |
| crimsun | I don't think you understand your asoundrc dupe stanza | 22:20 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: apparently not, lol | 22:20 |
| crimsun | that's an upmix that's used for "plain" 2-channel files | 22:20 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: oh... | 22:20 |
| underwatercow | so without the file | 22:21 |
| underwatercow | it would be stereo unless the app was set up for 5.1? | 22:21 |
| crimsun | xine-lib, GSt, mplayer are all intelligent enough to set the appropriate parameters via alsa-lib for "genuine" 6-channel or 8-channel files | 22:21 |
| crimsun | essentially, yes | 22:21 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: so are things like web browsers, playing in two channel then? | 22:22 |
| crimsun | err, well, it depends what format the files are | 22:22 |
| crimsun | there's nothing preventing a Web browser from sending a genuine 8-channel file to alsa-lib | 22:22 |
| crimsun | it would be foolhardy, but well, it's certainly possible | 22:23 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: gotcha, so it's possible, but not likely | 22:23 |
| crimsun | correct. | 22:23 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: why doesn't it dupe by default? | 22:23 |
| crimsun | because it can't, as you've discovered. | 22:23 |
| crimsun | there are far too many variations on codecs, many of them broken by the manufacturers. | 22:23 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: ah... well in windows, do the manufacturers set it up to do that by default then? | 22:24 |
| crimsun | depends | 22:25 |
| crimsun | I can't speak of the ones under NDA | 22:25 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: Can I ask you a windows related sound question? | 22:26 |
| underwatercow | another that is | 22:26 |
| underwatercow | lol | 22:26 |
| underwatercow | it might not be windows specifically | 22:26 |
| underwatercow | but that's where I noticed it | 22:27 |
| crimsun | I probably won't have the tech-fu to answer a Windows audio question, but sure. | 22:27 |
| underwatercow | lol | 22:27 |
| underwatercow | when I set up my card for surround sound in windows, the game I am playing will play all of the sounds except certain dialog | 22:28 |
| underwatercow | I have to put it to stereo to hear the dialog | 22:28 |
| crimsun | report the bug to your manufacturer :-] | 22:28 |
| underwatercow | lol | 22:28 |
| underwatercow | I didn't know if it was me, the game, the manufacturer... | 22:29 |
| crimsun | difficult to say | 22:30 |
| crimsun | I would surmise it's the driver | 22:30 |
| underwatercow | I haven't tested it on any other games in windows yet | 22:30 |
| underwatercow | maybe I'll try that first | 22:30 |
| crimsun | OTOH, it could be in the game, too, in the way it sets DX params | 22:30 |
| underwatercow | it's a vista driver, so who can say | 22:30 |
| underwatercow | I hate vista | 22:30 |
| crimsun | I love Vista, works great here | 22:31 |
| crimsun | I also have not used Vista. | 22:31 |
| crimsun | thus the vacuous statement | 22:31 |
| underwatercow | lol | 22:31 |
| underwatercow | I only installed it because it cost me nothing | 22:31 |
| underwatercow | and it will have more support than xp | 22:31 |
| underwatercow | if only wine could run all my games | 22:31 |
| underwatercow | oh joyous day | 22:32 |
| underwatercow | crimsun: thanks for your help | 22:35 |
| crimsun | np | 22:35 |
| pvandewyngaerde | crap crap crap, i'll never learn i lost my amarok database after upgrading to hardy | 23:05 |
| mcscruff | lo all | 23:11 |
| mcscruff | im running hardy :P on a second laptop, just wondered where the xorg.conf (or replacement) is, as i need to add my touchpad | 23:12 |
| PriceChild | mcscruff, /etc/X11 | 23:14 |
| mcscruff | what file tho | 23:15 |
| torben | hi! i upgraded to hardy but still have kernel 2.6.22-14..is that normal? | 23:15 |
| mcscruff | yes | 23:15 |
| mcscruff | 2.6.22-14-generic is default | 23:15 |
| mcscruff | why was the "about ubuntu" not updated | 23:17 |
| choudesh | the new kernel isn't in hardy yet | 23:17 |
| torben | hmm, i wanted to check out a more recent kernel :/ can i get rid of that "amd testing uso only unsupported hardware" sign in the bottom right corner? | 23:18 |
| cafuego | You can always bake a vanilla 2.6.23-whatever-is-current kernel. | 23:20 |
| mcscruff | torbon, ati? | 23:20 |
| mcscruff | i was just reading a fix for that | 23:20 |
| mcscruff | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=623882&highlight=hardy | 23:20 |
| h3sp4wn | torben: You could build the current ubuntu git | 23:21 |
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| mcscruff | i really dont have an xorg.conf | 23:22 |
| h3sp4wn | mcscruff: Is that a problem ? | 23:23 |
| mcscruff | when i need to add touchpad it is | 23:23 |
| mcscruff | /usr/share/xresprobe/xorg.conf <<does it use that? | 23:23 |
| h3sp4wn | You can still have one if you need to (but for common cases its unnecessary) | 23:24 |
| torben | h3sp4wn: how can i do that? | 23:24 |
| h3sp4wn | torben: Just write one | 23:24 |
| mcscruff | do you need it all or can i just add the lines i need? | 23:24 |
| torben | h3sp4wn: sounds like too much work, i'm not really into this.. | 23:25 |
| h3sp4wn | torben: actually I just got confused - there is a page on the wiki about git kernels | 23:26 |
| h3sp4wn | mcscruff: Should just be able to add what you need | 23:26 |
| BlackDiamonds | is there anything major in the new alpha ? | 23:26 |
| torben | ah ok | 23:26 |
| BlackDiamonds | or was it just the package sync ? | 23:27 |
| Trewas | torben: or just wait some time, I guess 2.6.24 kernel is coming soonish | 23:27 |
| mcscruff | BlackDiamonds, no xorg.conf :) | 23:27 |
| BlackDiamonds | wait wut | 23:27 |
| BlackDiamonds | is everything automated now ? | 23:27 |
| mcscruff | im not sure if its just me but something has been tweaked and my system seems to be running very fast | 23:27 |
| h3sp4wn | mcscruff: Its always fast the further away from the release it is | 23:28 |
| mcscruff | the restricted driver thing is missing (good move) | 23:28 |
| BlackDiamonds | Does anyone know when that hardware detection spec will be implemented ? | 23:29 |
| h3sp4wn | mcscruff: No doubt that will be back | 23:29 |
| mcscruff | time to try a nice ati driver | 23:29 |
| magnetron | BlackDiamonds: try asking in #ubuntu+1 | 23:29 |
| h3sp4wn | mcscruff: What ati card are you using ? | 23:29 |
| mcscruff | h3sp4wn, radion 200M | 23:30 |
| BlackDiamonds | magnetron this is ubuntu+1 | 23:30 |
| magnetron | BlackDiamonds: eh... oopss | 23:30 |
| mcscruff | lol | 23:30 |
| h3sp4wn | Think that is a bit new for XiG but my radeon mobility absolutely fly's with the XiG non-free X server | 23:30 |
| * magnetron facepalms | 23:31 | |
| Trewas | h3sp4wn: XiG is still alive? I somehow would have expected a commercial X server to die with the previous millennium (when I last heard of it) :) | 23:33 |
| h3sp4wn | Trewas: Still alive and well | 23:33 |
| h3sp4wn | and still tons better than xorg for the supported ati cards | 23:34 |
| h3sp4wn | (If amd does release the specs I would expect XiG to produce better drivers than the xorg people) | 23:35 |
| h3sp4wn | Just for comparison - ut2004 is totally unplayable on this laptop with xorg and perfect with XiG | 23:35 |
| h3sp4wn | (and its a 16MB radeon mobility where all parties had access to the specs) | 23:36 |
| mcscruff | Xig , ooo i want it | 23:36 |
| Trewas | unsurprisingly they don't have support for nvidia chips where the company itself is making decent drivers... but I wonder how good their intel drivers are | 23:37 |
| h3sp4wn | Trewas: I don't think much to the nvidia drivers | 23:38 |
| Trewas | well, I haven't found anything to complain (stability or feature-wise) yet about nvidia drivers, granted that I have used them only on desktops | 23:40 |
| torben | is it possible to get a framebuffer at native resolution (1440x900) on a macbook pro using that new ati-driver? | 23:40 |
| h3sp4wn | Or perhaps its just the nvidia hardware - perhaps a quadro is better I dunno if I want to give nvidia more money | 23:40 |
| h3sp4wn | *But I dunno ... | 23:40 |
| h3sp4wn | I would be interested to compare similarly prices Matrox and Nvidia cards (Matrox with the XiG drivers) | 23:41 |
| Trewas | g550 at least has some hardware limitations, like supporting xvideo only up to 1024x1024, maybe parhelia cards are better bug afaik they don't have any support in xorg | 23:43 |
| h3sp4wn | Trewas: exactly - the XiG xserver supports them (I don't mind paying) I have to use so much non-free stuff for my course anyway I am no longer really bothered | 23:44 |
| Trewas | hrr, and now that I checked nvidia 8600gt I have in this computer costs the same as new g550 | 23:44 |
| Trewas | h3sp4wn: I don't care about closed source that much either, but for graphics cards I have not been impressed with matrox and nvidia has good free (as in beer) drivers | 23:46 |
| h3sp4wn | I have an nvidia 7950GT and a 7300GT and the picture quality is not nice on either | 23:46 |
| Trewas | well, that doesn't matter much with lcd monitors with dvi-inputs | 23:48 |
| h3sp4wn | That is what I am using | 23:48 |
| h3sp4wn | Maybe I should try a quadro but its an expensive gamble | 23:49 |
| mcscruff | brb | 23:49 |
| Trewas | hrm, using dvi and the right resolution there is not much room for quality, bad or good | 23:49 |
| h3sp4wn | Dunno its perfect with an ati 9250 or an ati 9800pro (I have messed around with it for ages) | 23:51 |
| Trewas | I haven't seen any problems with 6600gt or 8600gt cards | 23:51 |
| h3sp4wn | I dunno the others are just easier on my eyes | 23:53 |
| Trewas | with dvi the picture quality should be either perfect or very bad, the digital connection does now allow very subtle differences | 23:54 |
| h3sp4wn | Trewas: *should* being the operative word | 23:55 |
| Trewas | h3sp4wn: yeah, pixel-perfect is pixel-perfect no matter what card :) | 23:56 |
| h3sp4wn | Trewas: That is how its supposed to be however in reality it isn't | 23:57 |
| Trewas | h3sp4wn: maybe, but the differences are somewhere else than in the dvi connection | 23:58 |
| Trewas | maybe some card/monitor combinations have problems or something... | 23:59 |
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